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| schestowitz__ | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/08/uk-patent-exams-update-final-version-of.html?showComment=1598945573413#c5849055808746703817 | Sep 06 14:18 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | UK patent exams update: Final version of FAQs released - The IPKat | Sep 06 14:18 | |
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| schestowitz__ | AnonymousMonday, 31 August 2020 at 09:50:00 BST | Sep 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz__ | I've spent more time worrying about how to met with all of these criteria listed by PEB. Revision this year has been soo stressful. | Sep 06 14:18 |
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| schestowitz__ | AnonymousMonday, 31 August 2020 at 10:44:00 BST | Sep 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Honestly, I'm so fed up with the PEB. | Sep 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz__ | What sort of organisation refuses to answer any questions when they clearly haven't finalised the exams. Imagine if they stopped FAQ's last week with no notice, everyone would currently be buying unused laptops. | Sep 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz__ | This is just another way to avoid any scrutiny, in the same way that they won't respond to anonymous questions anymore even if the question is perfectly valid. | Sep 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Mercer was talking about removing the exemption for drafting and amendment. Alot of people i talk to don't mind sitting drafting or amendment, they just hate the idea of giving more money to this organisation. How can an education provider be so universally despised and yet continue to have a monopoly? | Sep 06 14:18 |
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| schestowitz__ | AnonymousTuesday, 1 September 2020 at 08:32:00 BST | Sep 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz__ | I think they should remove all PEB exams . Doesn't help with the job anyway. | Sep 06 14:18 |
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| schestowitz__ | AnonymousMonday, 31 August 2020 at 15:57:00 BST | Sep 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm very worried that the final exam time has not yet been provided- how can candidates practice to time? Exams are in a matter of weeks- if PEB have "calculated and tested" the exam time- why are they not sharing it with candidates? | Sep 06 14:18 |
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| schestowitz__ | AnonymousTuesday, 1 September 2020 at 08:32:00 BST | Sep 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Same here - completely worried about doing these exams to time with NO information whatsoever on the exam format. | Sep 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz__ | These are very difficult exams and there is basically no information for candidates. How are candidates supposed to prepare and practice papers to time? | Sep 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz__ | it doesn't help that many people in PEB or those associated with PEB have an attitude that if you don't like the exam format this year, you can do it next year. That is very unprofessional in my opinion and I'm shocked that those with this attitude appeared to be quite senior people in the IP profession. They need to be responsible for the exams they run - not fob candidates off if they have questions. | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | It is valid and right to ask questions on exams. They also forget that candidates spent an awful lot of their time (spare time) for free revising. Yes it Is a candidates choice to sit the exams but they also pay PEB exam fees so please can PEB be a bit more professional and listen to candidates concerns. | Sep 06 14:19 |
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| schestowitz__ | SPWednesday, 2 September 2020 at 11:12:00 BST | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | "Yes it Is a candidates choice to sit the exams" | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | I'd disagree on that point, it isn't candidates choice to take the exams. Candidates choose the profession, and in reality in order to participate in the profession (i.e. to use the reserved professional titles that users look for) it is necessary for candidates to sit the exams, i.e. participants in the profession do not have a choice whether or not to sit the exams. | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | I consider it undoubtable that maintaining high professional standards benefits all concerned (user's get a better service, and at least in result of the 'guarantee' of that better service providers are able to charge more). In that respect, examinations which ensure candidates are capable of providing a 'good' service, i.e. that candidates are 'fit to practice' seem undoubtedly a good thing. | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | But the accusation that is constantly levelled at PEB is that the exams don't satisfactorily perform that function, at least in that they hold-back candidates who are undoubtedly fit to practice, and indeed who are often many years EPA qualified. I've observed on numerous occasions crap (commercially and/or technically inept) trainees passing exams where candidates that I see as far better, i.e. far fitter to practice, fail exams. And | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | everybody knows that P6 in particular is in large part pot luck. | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | But the PEB seem insistent on ignoring the voluminous critiscm of the exams that they receive each year, along with the purported objective of the exams, and craft exams year on year that are not aimed at testing fitness to practice, but in testing exam technique, and moreover which appear to have the main objective of limiting pass rates and so access to the profession. | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | The CMA in its 2017 legal service market study appeared sceptical as to the merit of the reservations of professional titles, and my reading is that, considering the legal profession as whole, the CMA was only just about convinced to continue allowing professional title reservations. Even for the selfish preservation of the charge out rates of members of the profession, the PEB should thus be mindful that the exams should be aimed | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | only at testing fitness to practice, and not have even the side effect of unduly limiting access to the profession, i.e. access to the professional titles. | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | AnonymousThursday, 3 September 2020 at 09:43:00 BST | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | "But the PEB seem insistent on ignoring the voluminous critiscm of the exams that they receive each year, along with the purported objective of the exams, and craft exams year on year that are not aimed at testing fitness to practice, but in testing exam technique" | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Agree with everything said above. However, this is hardly surprising when P6 examiners make more money from selling training courses to pass the exam than they earn marking the papers. | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | I think it is also highly debatable whether patent attorneys really have the required experience to be setting (and marking) infringement and validity exams. This was a point alluded to by IPREG in their submissions to the mercer review, where they pointed out that PEB do not allow solicitors, barristers, judges etc. to take part in P6 exam setting and marking, when it is likely they will all have more experience than most of the | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | patent attorneys marking this exam. | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | All this said, I don't expect anything to ever change. IPREG have publicly stated that they have received complaints from trainees and examiners that FD4 is unfit for purpose, the middlesex report stated that in its current form FD4 unfit for purpose, most people don't understand why they passed FD4 unlike the other final exams, however the preliminary findings of mercer suggest that there are no issues? | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | AnonymousThursday, 3 September 2020 at 10:50:00 BST | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Yes, imagine an Examiner of the amendment exam who has only ever proposed draft responses and never heard what the patent office had to say in reply? | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | This is effectively the stock of knowledge present in the FD4 examiner pool. Only a small number of (mainly in-house) patent attorneys have a full life cycle of seeing a case from an initial opinion to court/licensing. It seems very strange that many people are held back based on this test when it has no bearing on being fit to practice. | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | It is even stranger to me that this is considered a skill that you must show you are competent at within a time limit, which is much much less than would be dedicated to such an issue in real life. In my opinion, this encourages people who can't seen the other side of the argument (so don't know what they are missing) or at the very least, only pay lip service to it for the sake of "completing the paper". | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | If you want to check someone is competent to do an I&V opinion, which comes about 3 times in a lifetime, why not allow them the same amount of time as would be spent on the real thing? | Sep 06 14:19 |
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| schestowitz__ | AnonymousThursday, 3 September 2020 at 11:00:00 BST | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | My best guess how I might have passed FD4 (or P6 as it was known when I took it) is that I looked at the claimed integers and construed them using the functional language in the description. I put no thought into how this played into the wider issues of infringement or novelty. I did however realise that if I arbitrarily decided to construe a particular integer narrowly, I would have something “interesting” to say about inventive | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | step. I also realised early on in the exam that there were two embodiments in one prior art document. I was running out of time and took the gamble not to comment on the second embodiment just so that I could have a bit more time to focus on inventive step. | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | I passed using pure exam technique without having to give any real consideration to infringement and validity (whilst being negligent in missing a novelty attack), which leads to the following question to those who profess that FD4 is fit for purpose. How and why is this so? | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | I agree with the poster of this article that abuse is not acceptable. It also runs the risk of legitimate constructive criticism being deemed as “abuse” not worthy of a response. Perhaps a counter perspective to balance that of the examiner’s perspective in the CIPA journal might take the sting out of the debate. | Sep 06 14:19 |
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| schestowitz__ | AnonymousThursday, 3 September 2020 at 11:24:00 BST | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm not condoning the supposed abuse in any way but the PEB are equally guilty of this. | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Year after year in the webinars telling people that if they don't pass FD4 they aren't competent to be a patent attorney. Does anyone have any idea how damaging this can be to a persons self-esteem when they are told this but at the same time everyone acknowledges that P6 is a rubbish test? | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Review after review, submissions after submissions, and nothing ever gets changed through civil channels because all these channels are controlled by ex-PEB examiners who set up this system. | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | When a previous poster (on another PEB IPkat article) highlighted that half of the marks awarded in the 2019 FD4 advice section were awarded for points of law that weren't even on the syllabus, the response from the PEB was that they don't respond to "anonymous" complaints/questions and so won't be replying. | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Don't condone any abuse, but the idea that this is just a few "bad apples" going in on the PEB is a completely false narrative, propagated by the PEB's chief propaganda machine (CIPA). It is the PEB who have created a rotten barrel, which is compromising all the apples stored inside. | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | AnonymousThursday, 3 September 2020 at 12:41:00 BST | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | I am the poster of the comment to which you replied. | Sep 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | I have been there with the same glorious cycle of being told year after year that I was not fit to practice. Although, I believe the phrase doing the rounds at the time was that I had “failed to meet the assessment criteria”. I view the exam even less favourably now than I did when I was still trying to pass it. | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Unfortunately, the exam does have a level of support across profession. I’m unsure of how much of a level, but it does exist, and it is just not PEB/CIPA affiliates. | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | If each side in the debate just starts abusing the other, a resolution will never be found. Therefore, perhaps rising above the perceived abuse by PEB might be the way forward. | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Play the ball; not the wo(man). If PEB won’t respond to anonymous queries, perhaps outsource the question to someone who has no problems giving up their anonymity. Such a person shouldn’t be hard to find given the controversy the exam creates (IPkat blogger perhaps?). If they still won’t respond, write to IPreg pointing out PEB aren’t adhering to their own rules. Failing that, write to your local MP. Doesn’t the head of | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | IPreg have a political background? | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Reply | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | AnonymousThursday, 3 September 2020 at 11:41:00 BST | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | "When a previous poster (on another PEB IPkat article) highlighted that half of the marks awarded in the 2019 FD4 advice section were awarded for points of law that weren't even on the syllabus, the response from the PEB was that they don't respond to "anonymous" complaints/questions and so won't be replying" | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Just to add, they didn't just refuse to respond, they rewrote their policy to state that they didn't respond to anonymous questions in response to receiving that anonymous question. | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | The PEB have always gone out of their way to avoid any scrutiny. Don't see how this "abuse" changes anything. | Sep 06 14:20 |
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| schestowitz__ | AnonymousThursday, 3 September 2020 at 14:01:00 BST | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | The problem with these exams is that they test preparation, not fitness to practice. This is why you get completely inexperienced trainees (who are certainly not fit to practice at that point in their careers) but who are very well *prepared* passing exams while completely competent qualified EPAs who find it hard to dumb down to the level required by the exams failing year after year. The fact of the matter is that once you get to a | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | certain level of experience and competence, it is arguably harder to pass them (particularly true of P6 / FD4). It is actually quite hard to prepare for the exams when you know better. I wonder if any of the more experienced CPAs who don't agree with this might be willing to re-attempt the exam to disprove my point? No? Didn't think so. | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Why oh why is this substandard farce of an exam allowed to continue? | Sep 06 14:20 |
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| schestowitz__ | AnonymousThursday, 3 September 2020 at 14:43:00 BST | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | I think we need to hear more from those who have qualified as CPA rather than the trainees. It is very easy to dismiss the concerns of the trainees saying they're just not ready to take the exams, or worse, they're just not made of the "right stuff" for the profession. | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | So, here is a short survey solely for the qualifieds: https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/GSB37P2 | Sep 06 14:20 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.surveymonkey.co.uk | PEB Exams Survey | Sep 06 14:20 | |
| schestowitz__ | IPKat willing, I will share the results in a week's time on here. (This was created over a lunch break so apologies if it's not perfect.) | Sep 06 14:20 |
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| schestowitz__ | AnonymousThursday, 3 September 2020 at 15:10:00 BST | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Good idea, after reading the preliminary findings of the mercer review and not recognising any of the findings, i was thinking about setting up a website where people could have their submissions open for viewing (i'm assuming cipa will not be publishing the submissions). | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | This would require people to resend their submission, but i think a few people might do this, to see whether the reported findings are accurate. | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Is there any appetite for this? | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Rose HughesThursday, 3 September 2020 at 15:13:00 BST | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Happy to publish the results on IPKat - just send them our way: theipkat@gmail.com | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | AnonymousThursday, 3 September 2020 at 15:44:00 BST | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Where can one view the preliminary findings of the Mercer review? | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | AnonymousThursday, 3 September 2020 at 18:37:00 BST | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Bottom of the page: https://www.cipa.org.uk/ip-job-vacancies/advertising/ | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | AnonymousThursday, 3 September 2020 at 20:01:00 BST | Sep 06 14:20 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.cipa.org.uk | Advertising with CIPA Journal | Sep 06 14:20 | |
| schestowitz__ | Thanks for setting up the survey. I have responded. | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Please do not allow trainee concerns to be dismissed. If you ever receive that as a response to a legitimate criticism of an exam, don’t take the bait, and instead ask them to explain the how and why your criticism is ill founded. A mature response along these lines actually shows who is fit to practise. Imagine responding to a legitimate novelty attack in an opposition with an Ad hominem attack on the speaker. | Sep 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Every member of the profession deserves to be treated with respect. | Sep 06 14:20 |
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| schestowitz__ | Nobody seems to know from where these people come from, but they're doing more harm than good and are dangerous for the project, thus they should be ignored unless they're talking about code. | Sep 06 23:00 |
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| schestowitz__ | Everybody seems to gloss over the fact that this happened 6 years ago and the world didn't burn as a result. This sort of sensitive discussions are precisely why debian-private exists (it's not "high level", it's just not public outside Debian, afaik all the maintainers are on it). This article tries very hard to be inflammatory by unearthing old history and presenting it as current, and also by presenting -private as some sort of | Sep 06 23:01 |
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| schestowitz__ | I think the discussion comes down to the difference between entitled and deserved. As a sentient/human everyone is entitled to respect (apparent CoC opinion) whether or not they deserve it by their actions (Linus apparent opinion). | Sep 06 23:01 |
| schestowitz__ | So as long as someone treats everyone with respect, even when they think they don't deserve it, what is the problem? Am I missing something? | Sep 06 23:01 |
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| schestowitz__ | Makes me wonder, who is behind this post | Sep 06 23:01 |
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| schestowitz__ | Stop wondering, goy | Sep 06 23:01 |
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| schestowitz__ | Bloody lefty nonsense. I am not going to use Linux anymore after this. | Sep 06 23:02 |
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| schestowitz__ | Somebody digging out things that happen 6 years ago just to say bad things about Linus? | Sep 06 23:02 |
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| schestowitz__ | Instead of spending time on this, spend the time on da' code... people are what they are, even having a code of conduct is fucking non sense, who are you to tell any one what to do, to think or to tell. | Sep 06 23:02 |
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| schestowitz__ | Fuck this post! | Sep 06 23:02 |
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| schestowitz__ | Just for the record, free speech is intended to protect individuals who criticize governement from government retribution. | Sep 06 23:02 |
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| schestowitz__ | It's also supposed to be a core tenet of western civilization, one which we pride ourselves on, and without it you wind up with a culture of wokescolds and banishments. | Sep 06 23:02 |
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| schestowitz__ | Looks more like a campaign for corporate control over free software. | Sep 06 23:03 |
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| schestowitz__ | "Just for the record, free speech is intended to protect individuals who criticize governement from government retribution." | Sep 06 23:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Just for the record, it also goes way beyond that. If you don't think so, you've been had. | Sep 06 23:03 |
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| schestowitz__ | The "leaker" behind that story has gotten shown the door in Debian last year for harassment of many people in the project. Debian bug #953378 has some details, (AFAIK this is the only public statement of the project in this case) | Sep 06 23:03 |
| schestowitz__ | This person continues to harass the project since then on every opportunity by telling half-truths and pulling those half-truths out of context as a part of his revenge campaigns. | Sep 06 23:03 |
| schestowitz__ | BTW, the leaker got expelled from many other (FOSS) projects as well, for the same reasons: harassment. | Sep 06 23:03 |
| schestowitz__ | So be careful if you read from him. He's a hater. | Sep 06 23:03 |
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| schestowitz__ | To you dipshits, any enthusiastic response is harassment. Fuck, you probably think I'm harassing you right now. | Sep 06 23:03 |
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| schestowitz__ | Steve Langasek, Ian Jackson and Patty Langasek are the biggest fucking idiots on the planet. Pearl-clutching asshats on behalf of the FSF. It's especially funny that Steve and Ian is/was employed by Canonical, whose lead community manager personally attacked RMS. | Sep 06 23:03 |
| schestowitz__ | It's also pretty grossly inappropriate for a wife and husband to work with these issues together, as they can(as shown here) band together. Their roles should be kept far away from each other. | Sep 06 23:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Jesus what a mess, it's like observing how sausages are made. | Sep 06 23:03 |
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| schestowitz__ | Oi, leave it to the code. F Microsucks for censoring GitHub. F bastards that make the world worse. If someone starts discriminating against others due to race, gender (LGBTQ etc included), heritage, opinion, etc- they can get fckd. | Sep 06 23:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Arseholes be told to stop being arseholes, real contributors be told to keep up the good work. End the drama, it doesn't help. | Sep 06 23:03 |
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| schestowitz__ | It would be hard to argue in a reasonable way that his approach is bad. Caustic? yes, but is that bad? For submitted kernel code we need people to remember being chastised so they don't waste people's time or slip in bad code. | Sep 06 23:04 |
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| schestowitz__ | anyone who supports CoC's and want limitations on speech are mentally ill and no different than white nationalist. | Sep 06 23:04 |
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| schestowitz__ | freedom of speech isn't to protect those who's speech everyone agrees with, society deems acceptable, or the ruling party deems ok. its to protect speech that people don't like. you don't need freedom of speech to protect speech people say is ok. | Sep 06 23:04 |
| schestowitz__ | only control freaks hate freedom of speech. | Sep 06 23:04 |
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| schestowitz__ | Bring back the toe fungus guy! | Sep 06 23:04 |
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| schestowitz__ | "Linux is dying" -- the Linux is Dying Troll. | Sep 06 23:04 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:04 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/imr3si/wokies_force_codes_of_conduct_onto_the_open/ | Sep 06 23:04 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:04 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Wokies force Codes of Conduct onto the Open Source Movement and are now trying to use them to get Linus cancelled and blacklisted. : stupidpol | Sep 06 23:04 | |
| schestowitz__ | Ryan, who recently witnessed Fedora banning longtime contributors (technical people who actually love and use GNU/Linux), said that the CoC “gets enforced by a lot of nasty trolls who somehow “develop” Fedora from Macs and Edge on Windows 10.” (The enforcers do not even use GNU/Linux themselves!) | Sep 06 23:04 |
| schestowitz__ | ...Ryan then explained why he left Fedora: “I mean, the only point of those “developers” is to character assassinate valuable community members and disappear them. Then your project loses assets and gains trolls. These people have alarmingly been on the rise in Fedora and it was quite a bit of the reason I said, “screw this, I’m out.” It’s all people that we’ve never even seen before who have taken positions in the | Sep 06 23:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Fedora project, bowling over community members who have been active… sometimes going back to the Red Hat Linux days.” | Sep 06 23:04 |
| schestowitz__ | ... Linux isn’t at GitHub (yet), but Microsoft is still working towards that. Speech and code are both policed by Microsoft at GitHub. Censorship is very commonplace there. | Sep 06 23:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Linux Foundation literally gets infiltrated blatantly by Microsoft under the guise of wokeshit and uses wokeshit to literally sabotage open source development, through people who aren't even Linux users. | Sep 06 23:04 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:04 |
| schestowitz__ | lpicador | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Other Left | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | 16 points · | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | It’s the most beautiful weaponization of wokeness for capitalist aggression I’ve seen to date. But the future will no doubt bring worse. | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | felixvoiceguy | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | shituationalist | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | 34 points · | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Speech and code are both policed by Microsoft at GitHub | Sep 06 23:05 |
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| schestowitz__ | it's important to not be a weird "M$ is evil" gen x dude but also still be extremely fucking wary of new MS's moves and instead tie their morality back to gates-era MS | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft is evil. I have had clients on the receiving end of BSA audit letters who had to consider shutting down their businesses despite being legitimate paying MS customers because they can’t afford to fight back against BSA’s extralegal standards of proof. Nobody treats their customers this way except monopolists. Which Microsoft is, tried and convicted. All that Gates Foundation money came from rolling up an entire industry | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | for 30 years, and they’re still squeezing consumers for billions every year using their illegal monopoly. | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Yes, they’re not the threat they once were. Yes, they didn’t manage to kill the internet and free software despite their best efforts. Yes, they’ve mostly retreated to the smaller fiefdom of productivity software and video games. But they’re just as evil as ever. Don’t ever stop hating Microsoft or underestimating the shit they’re capable of just because they lost the war. | Sep 06 23:05 |
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| schestowitz__ | You don't have to respond to those audit letters unless they actually come from Microsoft. There is a cottage industry of third party businesses scamming people for "Licence compliance audits". | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | lpicador | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Other Left | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | 11 points · | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | BSA has done Microsoft’s enforcement work for decades. Also AutoDesk and many other big software publishers. They’re a scam, but a scam that the courts will uphold unfortunately. | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | It's ms employees, this is all but confirmation. #FUck Windows10 and fuck MS destroying everything they try to work with *Linux on windows now? LEL!! | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | recovering_bear | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Marx at the Chicken Shack | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | 4 points · | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Linux Foundation literally gets infiltrated blatantly by Microsoft under the guise of wokeshit and uses wokeshit to literally sabotage open source development, through people who aren't even Linux users. | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | This is wrong on so many levels. Linux has had a code of conduct for two years now and had nothing to do with Microsoft. The developer in the mailing list, Robert Edmonds, is a Debian developer and he isn't using any "wokeshit" and he's specifically talking about the conduct at a specific conference. That last quote is about GitHub which has nothing to do with CoCs. And there's never been a plan to move the Linux kernel development | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | tree to GitHub. | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Cucurrucho | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Anti work commie / Class Cannibal | Sep 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | 106 points · | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Silver | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | The open source movement is probably the closest thing that shows that people create fo creating, and share for sharing and because they know it's the best way to keep stuff evolving and honest. | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Of course that something like this would anger the wokies, there is no vigilantism, no canceling in an open to all community. | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | GNU_PLUS_LINUX | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Anarchist | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | 63 points · | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Silver | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | The “open source” movement is the capitalist response to co-opt and neuter the Free Software movement | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | I know, Im a programmer. | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | But it is still an example that the "hur dur human nature people don't work for free " is bullshit. | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | A ton of people work for free in programming, and it is an example that people only do greedy shit is stupid. | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Continue this thread | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | ziul1234 | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | aw shit, here we go again | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | 16 points · | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm not very well versed, could you explain? I started using linux this year and was very interested in open source, I thought it was a good thing. | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm not very well versed, could you explain? I started using linux this year and was very interested in open source, I thought it was a good thing. | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | GNU_PLUS_LINUX | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Anarchist | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | 26 points · | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | The FSF has its flaws, but this is very on point: | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html | Sep 06 23:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.gnu.org | Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation | Sep 06 23:06 | |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Eudaemania | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Other Left | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | 20 points · | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Still, open-source is better than a lot of shit. | Sep 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | That being said, r/stallmanwasright | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | level 4 | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Adolf_Kipfler | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Twitter Robespierre | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 12 points · | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | he also did nothing wrong | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | ziul1234 | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | aw shit, here we go again | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 6 points · | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Thanks. I'll keep the distinction in mind from now on | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | The open source community is perhaps the only thing working somewhat like it should in this shitty society, as in there wouldn't be much chance to its operating if we got rid of capitalism. But of course we can't have nice things. | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 246011111 | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | "... and that's a good thing!" | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 49 points · | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Silver | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | About 18 minutes into the talk, Linus states that he thinks only some people are deserving of respect. This is a pretty clear warning that he may violate the CoC, which says all people should be treated with respect...Realistically, though, the only thing we can do at this point is simply not invite Linus to any future Debian events. | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Hmm, doesn't really sound like treating Linus with respect... | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | ein-chemiker | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Retarded Ideologue | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 42 points · | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Silver | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | They've been trying and failing to do this for years. The seemingly bottomless reservoir of spite and vitriol of the woke is truly an enigma. | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | aw350m1na70r | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Assad's Butt Boy | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 113 points · | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Silver | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft has been trying to kill Linux ever since it was invented. | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Sarr_Cat | Sep 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 54 points · | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | I unironically believe that a good portion of this is secretly funded by Microsoft as their latest plan in attempting to control and subvert free and open computing. It's just their latest battleground, their latest weapon in this decades long war. | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | I unironically believe that a good portion of this is secretly funded by Microsoft as their latest plan in attempting to control and subvert free and open computing. It's just their latest battleground, their latest weapon in this decades long war. | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | GrapeGrater | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | 9 points · | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | If you've ever heard of Scott Alexander, look up "the paranoid rant" | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | recovering_bear | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Marx at the Chicken Shack | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | 10 points · | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Then you have no idea what MSFT's current business model is. They are one of the biggest sponsors & contributors to Linux while also being the biggest OSS company. | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Continue this thread | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | ILoveD3Immoral | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | 2 points · | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | I unironically believe that a good portion of this is secretly funded by Microsoft as their latest plan in attempting to control and subvert free and open computing. It's just their latest battleground, their latest weapon in this decades long war. | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | This, their plan to hire poo in loo skilled programmers by firing americans has resulted in a mass exodus of talent from the company, and the shittiest OS in existence. | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Its natural that they would pay the same poo in loo 'talents' to go and shit up open source movements, as well, that is their main skill, by looking at W8 to W10.0 | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Then you have no idea what MSFT's current business model is. They are one of the biggest sponsors & contributors to Linux while also being the biggest OSS company. | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Owyn_Merrilin | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | 42 points · | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Embrace, extend, extinguish. | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Continue this thread | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Sarr_Cat | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | 10 points · | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Propaganda | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Embrace, extend, extinguish. | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | recovering_bear | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Marx at the Chicken Shack | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | 3 points · | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Good luck doing that with GPLv2 | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Owyn_Merrilin | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | 24 points · | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | That's why they're using codes of conduct to gatekeep who can contribute, instead of the GPL itself. | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | level 4 | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | recovering_bear | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Marx at the Chicken Shack | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | -3 points · | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Linux has had a code of conduct for two years now... | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | level 5 | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | GrapeGrater | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | 10 points · | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Which was almost immediately deployed to attack Linus then. | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | That it's been around doesn't mean it's been a good thing for the community. | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | level 5 | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Owyn_Merrilin | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | 9 points · | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | And? None of this is new. | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | level 6 | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | recovering_bear | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Marx at the Chicken Shack | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | -2 points · | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | The point was that they didn't have anything to do with Linux assign a CoC. That decision was made by Linus and the community after he took a break as head maintainer. | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Show me one example where Microsoft is using CoCs within the Linux Foundation to "gatekeep who contributes". | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | level 7 | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Owyn_Merrilin | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | 22 points · | Sep 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | That decision was made by Linus and the community after he took a break as head maintainer. | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Which he did due to outside pressure from a bunch of cynical, conniving wokies. At best Microsoft is taking advantage of a political movement that is very convenient for monied interests. | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Show me one example where Microsoft is using CoCs within the Linux Foundation to "gatekeep who contributes". | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus Fucking Torvalds. | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | level 8 | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | recovering_bear | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Marx at the Chicken Shack | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | -3 points · | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | When did microsoft try to gatekeep Linus? Post proof (you can't because there is none) | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | level 9 | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Owyn_Merrilin | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | 10 points · | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | From your own comments, | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | after he took a break as head maintainer. | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | He did that due to handwringing from the COCsuckers, and Microsoft was already heavily involved at the time. What's more, it doesn't even necessarily have to be Microsoft, the point is that corporate fucks are cynically using woke hysteria to destroy what is, quite frankly, one of the best examples of what functioning communism might look like on the planet. They're targeting FOSS for a reason, and it's not the good of mankind. | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | level 10 | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | recovering_bear | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Marx at the Chicken Shack | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | -5 points · | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus took a break because he had travel plans which conflicted with a conference, you fucking idiot. You have no idea what you are talking about. | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Continue this thread | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | level 7 | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | GrapeGrater | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | 3 points · | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | As I remember there was growing pressure on Linus at the time. | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | There were even rumors someone had obtained some kind of leverage on him and were blackmailing him. | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | stevenjd | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | how the fuck is this OK? | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | -1 points · | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Embrace, extend, extinguish. | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | That's Google's business model, not Microsoft's. Android anyone? | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | It's not 1995 any more, do try to catch up. Of the tech giants (Amazon, Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Oracle) Microsoft is probably the least evil. | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | ILoveD3Immoral | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | 16 points · | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | That's Google's business model, not Microsoft's. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Embrace, extend, extinguish. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | is a phrase used internally by Microsoft to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences to extinguish said technologies use by other companies. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Owyn_Merrilin | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | 4 points · | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Like the other guy said, the phrase literally came from Microsoft as a way of describing their own strategy. Just because Google is bigger doesn't mean Microsoft isn't still big enough to swing its dick around. None of these corporations are your friends. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | And like I said to the other other guy, I don't care what corporation we're talking about. The fact is that these woke codes of conduct are highly convenient for corporate interests in general. If it's not Microsoft it'll be google, or Amazon, or Apple, or... | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | level 4 | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | stevenjd | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | how the fuck is this OK? | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Score hidden · | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | 12 hours ago | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | I know where the "Embrace..." phrase comes from. I was working in FOSS advocacy in the early 2000s, for about 15 years, and I had friends in the industry who ear-bashed me about Microsoft and Linux for about ten years prior to that. So you don't need to educate me about Microsoft's bad behaviour in the 80s and 90s. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | I was also a Mac fanboy in the 80s, when IBM was the Big Bad and Microsoft was going to save Apple so I know all about the swings and roundabouts of corporate behaviour. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | The tactic is much older than Microsoft, they just named it. The question isn't who first named the tactic but who is doing it now, in 2020, and it's not Microsoft. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | CC. u/ILoveD3Immoral | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | level 5 | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Owyn_Merrilin | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Score hidden · | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | 16 minutes ago | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | You're too focused on the exact corporation and missing the forest for the trees. It doesn't matter if it's Microsoft specifically, what matters is that the whole thing is inorganic and a way for corporate interests to exert control over the FOSS community. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | They targeted linux users. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Linux users. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | We'll spend most if not all of our free time tinkering with the specs of a system all to draw out a single bit of more efficiency. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same tickets over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such sysadmin nirvana that they can literally manage these servers blindfolded. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Do these people have any idea how many keyboards have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and monitors destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights? | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Linux users aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the services our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds on Super User. They picked a fight against a | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | need; a honed reflex. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Linux users are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another system crash. | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz__ | "Is this a copypasta or do you really thinking using a different OS makes you badass?" | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | It's pasta, but I wish I was this autistic cause then I'd be a sick engineer | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | ziul1234 | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | aw shit, here we go again | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 22 points · | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | It's a modified version of the "They targeted gamers" pasta | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | ILoveD3Immoral | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 3 points · | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | ITs a pasta often used by complete reeturds. | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus literally has to go to conferences with an escort because feminist groups were attempting to get him alone with a woman so they could "me too" him. | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | DrDavidLevinson | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 11 points · | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | They've been trying to get Linus for years now. When he's in public he's forced to keep someone (trusted) with him at all times to avoid getting a false accusation thrown at him. They've actively tried to get him alone for that purpose. | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | le--er | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 8 points · | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | i thought this was about linus tech tips for a minute and i was about to get sad | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | CleetusTheDragon | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Angry Retard 😍 | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Score hidden · | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 19 hours ago | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | I wonder if that “women in tech” bluecheck who works for salesforce has anything to do with this | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | bartiscringe | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | tedpill-grillpill | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Score hidden · | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 21 hours ago | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | why do all the top comments have silver | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | OkayTHISIsEpicMeme | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | unironic neolib | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | -2 points · | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | · edited 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | I really don’t get what’s going on here. | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | My understanding is that Linus told FSF to go fuck themselves (based) and some Fedora people wanted to attack Linus for it, but this Ryan guy didn’t. | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Dunno what this has to do with Stallman tho, his “cancelling” was pretty justified. Also don’t know what woke stuff has to do with it other than Ryan ranting about “free speech”. | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Owyn_Merrilin | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | 67 points · | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Silver | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Dunno what this has to do with Stallman tho, his “cancelling” was pretty justified. Also don’t know what woke stuff has to do with it. | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | No it wasn't. Literally all he said was not to jump to conclusions and it was entirely possible that a colleague of his who, upon being offered a massage from a 17 year old practically adult (not a 10-13 year old pubescent-at-most child like you might have been lead to believe) and turning it down, might not have realized that she was underage or unwilling. | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | The dude's pretty clearly somewhere on the spectrum and tends to be blunt to a socially unacceptable degree even on really touchy subjects, but he also tends to be absolutely right. | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Dunno what this has to do with Stallman tho, his “cancelling” was pretty justified. Also don’t know what woke stuff has to do with it. | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | No it wasn't. Literally all he said was not to jump to conclusions and it was entirely possible that a colleague of his who, upon being offered a massage from a 17 year old practically adult (not a 10-13 year old pubescent-at-most child like you might have been lead to believe) and turning it down, might not have realized that she was underage or unwilling. | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | The dude's pretty clearly somewhere on the spectrum and tends to be blunt to a socially unacceptable degree even on really touchy subjects, but he also tends to be absolutely right. | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | OkayTHISIsEpicMeme | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | unironic neolib | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | -8 points · | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | I admire GNU software (and even begrudgingly the GPL, although I give Netscape far more credit for FOSS), but the guy should’ve started seeing a therapist like 30 years ago. | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | It was only a matter of time before his inability to be even mildly socially competent would be the end of him. There’s no room for people like him anywhere near the heart of a multi billion dollar industry. | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | From my personal experience, I totally agree. Stallman was unique, I can’t think of anyone that prolific who’s that far gone (Linus is a bit of a dick, and Stroustrup, Gosling, and van Rossum are nerds, but they’re all otherwise normal people). | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | For your second point, most people aren’t going to be working on anything that critical, and even if they are, being tactful with your criticism is much more effective than blurting “this is shit go fuck yourself”. | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | level 4 | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | that_boy_zesty | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | 20 points · | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | i actually emailed stallman telling him that i sympathized with what he was going though and didn't deserve to get canned and he responded saying the best thing i can do is stick up for him. I made sure to use my school email instead of my gmail account on the chance that me using a gmail account would piss him off. | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | level 5 | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | ILoveD3Immoral | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | 9 points · | Sep 06 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | 100% respec. It was definitely microsoft that had him taken out of the fsf movement. | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | level 4 | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Owyn_Merrilin | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | 10 points · | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | For your second point, most people aren’t going to be working on anything that critical, and even if they are, being tactful with your criticism is much more effective than blurting “this is shit go fuck yourself”. | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | You start with tact. But if it's actually warranted, you end with putting them on blast on the evening news. In between is going RMS or Linus Torvalds on their asses. This is not something you play around with, it's literally life and death. | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Mallic42 | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Antisocial Socialist | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | 30 points · | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | It was only a matter of time before his inability to be even mildly socially competent would be the end of him. | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | In this climate sure, but that just shows the degree to which wokeness, while claiming the opposite, selectively targets the socially awkward and literally neurodivergent. | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | GrapeGrater | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | 28 points · | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Wokeism has a bizarre thing about reproducing the privilege it claims to be fighting. | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Affirmative Action? Disproportionately helps Nigerian Immigrants (one of the wealthiest subgroups in the US) and upper-middle class blacks. But screw the Asian kid on Food Stamps. | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Cancel Culture? Better hope you don't have actual autism and think bad thoughts. Ever. | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Contribute to the Movement (TM) write a best seller and go on all the Late Night Comedy (TM) shows while promising to donate to minority community organizations and then never doing so? Ha! Make a million bucks. You say your an avowed racist? As long as you guilt trip everyone into paying for your 5 figure "sensitivity" sessions, go ahead! | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | You also won't find too much elevation of non-credentialled people. If anything, the wokes actively sneer at people without expensive degrees. | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | level 4 | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | skinny_malone | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Angry Retard 😍 | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | 5 points · | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | You also won't find too much elevation of non-credentialled people. If anything, the wokes actively sneer at people without expensive degrees. | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Yeah this is actually borne out by research too. Quote from an article that was linked a few days ago in this sub: | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | In the United States and Europe, disdain for the less educated is more pronounced, or at least more readily acknowledged, than prejudice against other disfavored groups. In a series of surveys conducted in the United States, Britain, the Netherlands and Belgium, a team of social psychologists led by Toon Kuppens found that college-educated respondents had more bias against less-educated people than they did against other | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | disfavored groups. The researchers surveyed attitudes toward a range of people who are typically victims of discrimination. In Europe, this list included Muslims and people who are poor, obese, blind and less educated; in the United States, the list also included African-Americans and the working class. Of all these groups, the poorly educated were disliked most of all. | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | This is the study being referred to. | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Idpolisdumb | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | 12 points · | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | There’s no room for people like him anywhere near the heart of a multi billion dollar industry. | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | This is how you get exploding space shuttles and nuclear reactors going critical. | Sep 06 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | What matters is their shit works. | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | ILoveD3Immoral | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | 4 points · | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Was there a bridge that was mostly a team of diverse people from one sex? a few years ago. | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | OkayTHISIsEpicMeme | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | unironic neolib | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | -2 points · | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | You don’t have to be a borderline non-functioning autist to make good software. | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | level 4 | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | GoodUsername1337 | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | 14 points · | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | You do. Look how garbage software by non-autists is. | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | "How was it justified? They literally did the woke word parser -> six degrees of Kevin bacon thing on what he said and then insisted that their made up version was what he really said despite the actual text being a available for all to see." | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | How was it justified? They literally did the woke word parser -> six degrees of Kevin bacon thing on what he said and then insisted that their made up version was what he really said despite the actual text being a available for all to see. | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | zortlax | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Libertarian Stalinist | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | 10 points · | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | No, you don't understand. He had a mattress in his office, that means he's a rapist. | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | i thought this was about linus tech tips for a minute and i was about to get sad | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | CleetusTheDragon | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Angry Retard 😍 | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Score hidden · | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | 19 hours ago | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | I wonder if that “women in tech” bluecheck who works for salesforce has anything to do with this | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | bartiscringe | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | tedpill-grillpill | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Score hidden · | Sep 06 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | 21 hours ago | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | why do all the top comments have silver | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | OkayTHISIsEpicMeme | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | unironic neolib | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | -2 points · | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | · edited 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | I really don’t get what’s going on here. | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | My understanding is that Linus told FSF to go fuck themselves (based) and some Fedora people wanted to attack Linus for it, but this Ryan guy didn’t. | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Dunno what this has to do with Stallman tho, his “cancelling” was pretty justified. Also don’t know what woke stuff has to do with it other than Ryan ranting about “free speech”. | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus deserves to be cancelled, he accepted idpol with open arms, he deserves to be eaten by it. | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | zortlax | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Libertarian Stalinist | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | 2 points · | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Did I miss something, or are you confusing him with Stallman? I got the impression there was a significant amount of arm-twisting involved with Torvalds. | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus accepted the “progressive” naming conventions github has pushed, don’t think his armed was twisted. | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | zortlax | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Libertarian Stalinist | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | 4 points · | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Was that before or after they made him suck a CoC? | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | level 4 | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Spencer_Drangus | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 point · | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | After, I don’t get the impression it took much to twist his arm if it was. | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | level 5 | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | zortlax | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Libertarian Stalinist | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | 3 points · | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | He sounded quite defeated to me with the whole CoC thing, anything that came after that I'm treating as if he has a gun to his head, but maybe I'm giving him too much benefit of doubt, | Sep 06 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/imofc8/linusgate_to_the_surprise_of_absolutely_no_one/ | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:17 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | "Linusgate": To the surprise of absolutely no one, after forcing CoCs onto open source teams SJWs are trying to use them to force Linus Torvalds out. : KotakuInAction | Sep 06 23:17 | |
| schestowitz__ | I'm surprised. | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | That it took them this long. | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Shoddy_Hat | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | 156 points · | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | They've been trying it for ten years now. At one point, probably around 2012 or so (I don't know if he still does this), Linus had a policy of never being alone in a room with a woman because he feared it could be used as an opportunity for false accusation of misconduct. | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | He was pretty redpilled until very recently when the cult of socjus brainwashed his daughter, and because of her, he ended up second guessing his earlier hardline stances against this shit. | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Looks like he's about to learn the hard way that he was right all along, and that you should never give these cretins an inch, and their appeals to emotion should always be stonewalled forever. | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | They've been trying it for ten years now. At one point, probably around 2012 or so (I don't know if he still does this), Linus had a policy of never being alone in a room with a woman because he feared it could be used as an opportunity for false accusation of misconduct. | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | He was pretty redpilled until very recently when the cult of socjus brainwashed his daughter, and because of her, he ended up second guessing his earlier hardline stances against this shit. | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Looks like he's about to learn the hard way that he was right all along, and that you should never give these cretins an inch, and their appeals to emotion should always be stonewalled forever. | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | ZeusKabob | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | 76 points · | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | It's fucking tragic that so much is being done to cripple F/OSS. Cancelling Stallman was absurd, unjustified, and should have been completely rebuked by MIT and GNU, but instead they embraced the lunacy of removing one of the most influential people in true free software out there. | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't agree with everything Stallman says, and I think he's a loon in a lot of ways. Still, he is paving the way for more and more freedom in computing, and I benefit from his efforts every day as a GNU/Linux user. Going from Stallman and then targeting Linus just because he's a rude person? I can't stand it. Get this shit out of here and leave F/OSS alone. | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Continue this thread | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | mcantrell | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | A huge dick and a winning smile | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | 53 points · | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Yeah, ESR reported on this. http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907 | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | It was the Ada Initiative, who was actively trying to get a woman alone with Linus so they could claim sexual assault / rape, so Linus had bodyguards with him 24x7 at Expos, changed hotel rooms on the regular, etc. | Sep 06 23:17 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-esr.ibiblio.org | From kafkatrap to honeytrap | Armed and Dangerous | Sep 06 23:17 | |
| schestowitz__ | Fun fact, Sarah Sharp was tied to them. If that name's familiar, she was last seen pretending to be offended because Linus was rude to her + pretending to be "non binary" and renaming herself "Sage." | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Remember kids, don't stick your dick in crazy, and don't let your company hire them, either. | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Yeah, ESR reported on this. http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907 | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | It was the Ada Initiative, who was actively trying to get a woman alone with Linus so they could claim sexual assault / rape, so Linus had bodyguards with him 24x7 at Expos, changed hotel rooms on the regular, etc. | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Fun fact, Sarah Sharp was tied to them. If that name's familiar, she was last seen pretending to be offended because Linus was rude to her + pretending to be "non binary" and renaming herself "Sage." | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Remember kids, don't stick your dick in crazy, and don't let your company hire them, either. | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | DrisSkull | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | 10 points · | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | To quote another website: | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Sage goes in all fields. | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe less second guessing and it could be he simply loves his daughter and doesn't want to lose her and they know this and are basically holding a gun to her head (or more specifically making her hold the gun to her own head) unless he does what they want | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Ialda | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 point · | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | 5 hours ago | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Weaponizing politics to cripple / take control of the open-source environment is a genius move from the corporations, thought. Evil, and it will slow down tech progress, but genius. | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Why do people not realize they're signing their own career death warrants letting people like this in the door in the first place? | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Calico_fox | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | 5 points · | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | · edited 12 hours ago | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Because they never realize that one day they'll be on the blunt end of the woke BS they champion.. | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Broncoli | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Druckmann hates the little children of the world5 points · | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | 22 hours ago | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | They believe that their interests are aligned. Until they're not. | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Askolei | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | 142 points · | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | This is just sad. We are loosing a crucial asset against Microsoft hegemony and over what? Political correctness? | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | The article is very eloquent: there are "contributors" whose sole purpose is to target other productive agents. They don't write code. They don't even use Linux. Textbook trojan horse. | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | there are "contributors" whose sole purpose is to target other productive agents. | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Thats like textbook definition "toxic" | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | "Or "cancer." Either works." | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Ah yes the fabled "Linux will take Microsofts market share next year guys, I swear" | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't have sympathy for people who cave | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Linux already has taken Microsoft's market share in the server field. A 2015 estimate puts Linux at 96.4% of all servers, FreeBSD at 1.7, MS Windows at 1.9%. | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Losing Linux and having to rely solely on FreeBSD would be terrible. | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Allyriadil | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | 10 points · | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | FreeBSD also has a code of conduct and it's inspired by the "Geek Feminism" wiki. | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | level 4 | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | sososomanythrowaways | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | 8 points · | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Randi, worthless cunt Harper. | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | level 4 | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | zachsandberg | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 point · | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | 21 hours ago | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Recently repealed actually. | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | scaphism4kidkillers | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | 11 points · | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Server and mobile; and now thanks to Chromebooks the laptop market is precarious for Microsoft. | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | level 4 | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | TheLightningCount1 | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | 18 points · | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Except chromebooks are almost entirely worthless from a business perspective. Some people get them to work as thin clients, but actual thin client laptops are a jillion times better at a 3rd of the cost. | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | level 5 | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | ZeusKabob | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | 4 points · | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Amen. Chromebooks are underpowered and overpriced pieces of garbage that could be done so much better by being a thin client running XFCE or some other cut-down DE. You can run chrome on Linux, but you can also do so much more. | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Huntrrz | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 point · | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz__ | <psst!> Anybody remember OS/2? Anybody? | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | OK, I’ll go away now... | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | MeasurementRealistic | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 point · | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | It doesn't need to. I just want another option. | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm pretty sure that some people are getting big fat paychecks from Microsoft for this. | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Knowbody42 | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | 56 points · | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Why the fuck aren't these SJWs being kicked out of power? What's stopping that happening? | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | EntireVacation7000 | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | 73 points · | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Say what you like about SJWs, they are ruthlessly effective and infiltrating and assuming soft power positions, and then via social shaming converting that power into effective action. | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | "I thought you were talking about another group of people there for a minute." | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Sadly helicopter jokes trigger admins, no warning but I've gotta pull it. | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | level 4 | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | rv6502 | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | 3 points · | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | aaaaaaaaw :( Gotta love the double standards, eh. | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | welp, thanks for the heads up. | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | level 5 | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Notalent13 | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Mod19 points · | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Believe me, we know how shitty it is. Helicopter jokes, BAD. 42% Jokes, NO BAD. 13% Jokes, NO BAD. Entire sub dedicated to hating police where half the comments devolve into fetish porn about murdering them and their families...good. | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | level 5 | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | BorderSecuritySlayer | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 point · | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Remember to not make the same mistake we made previously when we have been forgiving, this time please understand what you must do. | Sep 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Stairs? | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Genderlocked bathrooms? | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Hair Dye detectors? | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | What's stopping that happening? | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | The corporations they work for, and the "free" labor their relationship to FOSS represents. | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | mcantrell | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | A huge dick and a winning smile | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | 6 points · | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | You need the SJWs' permission to remove power from the SJWs. | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Confidence_Grand | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | 100 points · | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | 2 days ago | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | he made his bed, I don't care anymore. Instead of rejecting that bullshit all together because frankly, it has shit to do with programming, he caved, of course they are going to kick him out of the very organization he created, he is too w.... and too m... and too c... according to these degenerates. | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Moth92 | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | 76 points · | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | He had a weakness, his daughter. Who is a massive sjw. | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | "The lesson learned from this is to not let your daughters go to college on your dime, and if they are, you treat them like they're still in high school and make sure they're not taking stupidass grievance studies bullshit -- under threat of stopping payment on the tuition checks." | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | The lesson learned from this is to not let your daughters go to college on your dime, and if they are, you treat them like they're still in high school and make sure they're not taking stupidass grievance studies bullshit -- under threat of stopping payment on the tuition checks. | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Immorttalis | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | -16 points · | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | So don't respect your female offspring as adults and threaten them into thinking like you do. Healthy advice right there. | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | "We kinda need the woke to drive everyone out and be forced to stand on their own. You can scream about how they’re useless and contribute nothing until you’re blue in the face but the best way to rid the world of these people and their idealogy is to let them have what they want and then hold them accountable for their actions." | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | As if they didn't destroy several IPs with their bullshit, destroyed the comics industry and so on, they're parasites, they do not care, they have no morals, no honor and no guilt. In their eyes they can't possibly be wrong even as the building burns down around them. | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Continue this thread | Sep 06 23:21 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | CatatonicMan | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | 34 points · | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Atlas Shrugged, basically. Gotta go Galt. | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | "I'd rather not sacrifice civilization just to prove them wrong." | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | As if they didn't destroy several IPs with their bullshit, destroyed the comics industry and so on, they're parasites, they do not care, they have no morals, no honor and no guilt. In their eyes they can't possibly be wrong even as the building burns down around them. | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | KeavyRain | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | 8 points · | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Yeah but if we prove to the powers that be how horrible and incompetent they are by costing the powers that be billions we guarantee these fuckheads won’t see any work in any position of power for a generation, possibly two. | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Re-toast | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | 6 points · | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | They're happy either way. If they destroy something then they've taken it away from the people who loved it in the first place. If they successfully subvert something then they've still taken it away from the people who loved it in the first place. It's a win win in their book. | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | "Well Perhaps we need people to be desperate and angry if they wont fight back against this otherwise." | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/imofc8/linusgate_to_the_surprise_of_absolutely_no_one/g421ir7/ | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:22 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | "Linusgate": To the surprise of absolutely no one, after forcing CoCs onto open source teams SJWs are trying to use them to force Linus Torvalds out. : KotakuInAction | Sep 06 23:22 | |
| schestowitz__ | I never read that purely because I knew people who never shut up about that book and they were als the people I never wanted to speak to, so I associated the book with assholes. | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | But, basically, if someone thinks they can steer the ship hand them the wheel but be ready to take it back when their now humbled ass fucks it up. | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | CatatonicMan | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | 46 points · | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | It's not a particularly good book (Rand wasn't a particularly good author), but it has some decent ideas. | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | The basic plot is that the productive people eventually get tired of carrying the dead weight of society, and they go on strike. This turns out to be rather bad for the dead weight. | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | matthew_lane | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | 30 points · | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | The basic plot is that the productive people eventually get tired of carrying the dead weight of society, and they go on strike. This turns out to be rather bad for the dead weight. | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | It was also the basic plot of 2020. | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | World wide pandemic happens, useless people put useful people on hiatus, quickly discover that without the useful people are what kept them afloat & suddenly entire industries collapse as useeful people who were stood down get tired & go to real industries that will pay. Restricitons lifted & useless people are just sitting there wondering why they can't make money anymore. | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | level 4 | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | squishles | Sep 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | 5 points · | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | they aren't really laying off useful people. If the company can't survive without you, you get a laptop and work from home. | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | KeavyRain | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | 10 points · | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | I support this idea. | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | level 3 | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | master_criskywalker | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | 11 points · | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | So basically, defund the Democrats. | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | for_a_girl | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | 7 points · | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | It's like economic eugenics the novel. Just as utopian as any leftist crap. | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm an English major and I actually thought the book was very good from an entertainment/thought experiment/time capsule perspective, but the philosophy is pretty extreme. | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | We can't just run away from spot to spot assuming we know the answers and can establish our own perfect societies. There isn't enough space or resources, and we aren't that fucking perfect ourselves. We have to cultivate the communities around us by acting correctly, not by blackpilling and assuming that the answer lays somewhere else over a Lost Horizon. | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | mcantrell | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | A huge dick and a winning smile | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | 4 points · | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Fountainhead is probably a better read for most people. | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Respect is earned | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | matthew_lane | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | 19 points · | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Yep,m respect is earned, never demanded. Respect is like sex, the more of it you demand the less of it you will recieve & if you try to force people to respect you that just makes you a respect rapist. | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Repeal the CoC. Require that every contributor actually use a Linux distro as their primary OS! This is the only way to save Linux. | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Ryan, who recently witnessed Fedora banning longtime contributors (technical people who actually love and use GNU/Linux), said that the CoC “gets enforced by a lot of nasty trolls who somehow “develop” Fedora from Macs and Edge on Windows 10.” (The enforcers do not even use GNU/Linux themselves!) | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | If it's taken too far it'll just be forked and the "old" linux kernel will be simply dead. | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | All you have to do is attract the hardcore coders and driver devs to make new hardware work well and it's over. | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Xfree86 was replaced with x.org in about 9 months because xfree got too high on their horse. | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | It can happen again, and it's not even that difficult. | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | "Or how Oracle fucked with OpenOffice, and we got LibreOffice. And how instead of MySQL we got MariaDB. The FOSS genie is out of the bottle, and by its nature it cannot be bottled again." | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | You imprison the King in the tower for a while, then you have the show trial and execution when it suits you. | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | And right now, the SocJus cult is at peak power. | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Meanwhile, Poul-Henning Kamp of FreeBSD manages to defy cancellation despite being an open anti-semite(he believes all Jews share responsibility for Israeli government policy) on twitter, because he repeats a few more-immediately-useful Social Justice mantras. | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | imgagene | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | 9 points · | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | And of course, who could forget dear ratboy freebsdgirl? | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | BaconPlatter | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | 11 points · | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | · edited 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus bent over asked to be done in the backdoor, now they are taking him up on it. Ok. | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | TheGuyWhoIsSitting | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | 18 points · | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | This comment was coded in C+= | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | 8sync | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | 7 points · | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Just fyi, all this stuff is from 2014, waaay before Contributor Covenant got xer hands on Linux. | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | The event they're so passionately offended by is this Q&A session. | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | By that time there was some "don't be a dick" thing for commiters, but nothing like the current CoC. Just goes to show how crazy Debian is and for how long. There's also another article on the site showing that these kinds of shenanigans have been going on behind the scenes since at least the 90s. | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | master_criskywalker | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | 14 points · | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | I guess Gates sent his SJWs to sabotage Linus's work. Seriously though, how I hate those people! They're really making the world a worse place. | Sep 06 23:24 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Fujinn981 | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | 6 points · | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus should have never given them any ground. Shouldn't have taken master slave terminology out of the kernel. I hope he's learned his lesson now about giving any ground to these fuckers. | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Akesgeroth | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | 3 points · | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus should remind them who owns Linux. | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | OrnateOnion | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | 3 points · | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | What stops the actual contributors from telling them to get fucked? | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | jaysanilaninani | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | 2 points · | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | they better not touch Linus Tech Tips | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | level 2 | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | xtreemmasheen3k2 | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 point · | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | · edited 22 hours ago | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | There was an instance that someone tried to shame Linus Sebastian for buying tampons at an Amazon Go store. Linus refused to apologize, and good on him for it. Story had zero traction. | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Other than that, I think he's done his best to avoid politics entirely. Same with his people working under him, even his Tech News branch TechLinked does its best to avoid taking sides when talking about news that could very easily veer into political territory, like the TikTok ban or Facebook censorship. Could possibly be a company mandate. | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | "I thought LinusTechTips had a video where he came out as anti-free speech, using the typical "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" line that' used to defend cancel culture." | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Archiving currently broken. Please archive manually | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | I am Mnemosyne reborn. #BotLivesMatter r/botsrights | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | CIAs gotta get rid of anyone actually competent enough to know what they are doing in order to get malware and backdoors in to linux. Thats the purpose of the COC | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | zellegion | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 point · | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Help help I don't get what's going on here | Sep 06 23:25 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | NashGold85 | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 point · | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Hope that will help killing Linux and its Nazi GPL. FreeBSD and the BSD license are far better alternative. Also LISP OS WTF! | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Doulor76 | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 point · | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | 23 hours ago | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | The same way shit code can ruin the kernel, shit individuals can make your life worse. If he gets cancelled it will be deserved for allowing it. | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Admirably-Odd | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 point · | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | 4 hours ago | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | There is no point in creating anything right now because the liberals and the SJWs will just steal it from you. | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | level 1 | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | ThatThirstyRando | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | -1 points · | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | · edited 1 day ago | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | F O R C E D | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | o | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | C | Sep 06 23:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Edit : the downvotes on this post are among the weirdest downvotes I have ever gotten. 😂🤣😂 | Sep 06 23:26 |
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