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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/0xFreak71/status/1324443869380026371Nov 06 01:06
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@0xFreak71: @schestowitz Remove RedHat's code (systemd, polkit, consolekit) :PNov 06 01:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/realmrtj/status/1324441132382724104Nov 06 01:06
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@realmrtj: @schestowitz @LlnuxBot Debian itself is fast enough especially when you are using minimal release and after that in… https://t.co/Io8EQGn900Nov 06 01:06
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@realmrtj: @schestowitz @LlnuxBot Debian itself is fast enough especially when you are using minimal release and after that in… https://t.co/Io8EQGn900Nov 06 01:06
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schestowitzDebian itself is fast enough especially when you are using minimal release and after that install your ideal DM,Nov 06 01:06
schestowitzBut generally was cool.Nov 06 01:06
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/1324425816206413824Nov 06 01:06
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@iridesce57: @schestowitz Happy Birthday and thanks !!!Nov 06 01:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/agargmd/status/1324341629763768320Nov 06 01:06
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@agargmd: 🤦🏻‍♂️ https://t.co/kNqpMGbsSfNov 06 01:06
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #CNBC #Politics ☞ #Trump campaign says it is suing to stop #Michigan and #Pennsylvania ballot counts https://t.co/KzQitF2IsUNov 06 01:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/thedigicat/status/1324304817578233857Nov 06 01:07
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@thedigicat: @schestowitz Thank you for retweeting it! I felt the need to collect some information that are clearly out there, b… https://t.co/UUEywEb0CMNov 06 01:07
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@thedigicat: @schestowitz Thank you for retweeting it! I felt the need to collect some information that are clearly out there, b… https://t.co/UUEywEb0CMNov 06 01:07
schestowitz"Thank you for retweeting it! I felt the need to collect some information that are clearly out there, but so scattered that it took me 4 days to get my bearings =)"Nov 06 01:07
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Emilinehope/status/1323922130380201986Nov 06 02:31
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Emilinehope: @schestowitz https://t.co/qjVTZoODLwNov 06 02:31
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Emilinehope: @schestowitz https://t.co/qjVTZoODLwNov 06 02:31
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Nov 06 02:31
schestowitz>Nov 06 02:31
schestowitz> Did you notice any further interest in the Outreachies?Nov 06 02:31
schestowitz>Nov 06 02:31
schestowitz> Have you seen anybody try to identify woman #2?Nov 06 02:31
schestowitz>Nov 06 02:31
schestowitz> The woman is young and she comes from a developing country so the $5500Nov 06 02:31
schestowitz> is a huge amount of money for her.  I suspect any woman from aNov 06 02:31
schestowitz> developing country would be influenced by that sum so the story is notNov 06 02:31
schestowitz> about her personally, it is about the people giving her the money andNov 06 02:31
schestowitz> why did they do so.  I think they like having that power over people.Nov 06 02:31
schestowitzMany people mentioned your story (IRC, Twitter etc), but I know nothing about who it is about.Nov 06 02:31
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schestowitzhttp://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/11/03/a-few-thoughts-on-trust-and-judicial-independence/#commentsNov 06 12:51
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | A few thoughts on trust and judicial independence - Kluwer Patent BlogNov 06 12:51
schestowitz"Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzThank you, Thorsten. You quote Snyder: Without trust, we can’t have the Rule of Law. For we patent attorneys, the Rule of Law is precious, and we should fight for it. So how do we preserve trust?Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzFor we patent attorneys, trust in “science” is fundamental to our profession. From time to time, corporate interests try to erode trust in science. In our age of human-induced climate change, this is itself a disaster which has to be resisted. One way to resist is to flag up the work of Harvard Professor Naomi Oreskes (link below) and her current book “Why Trust Science”, to anybody willing to listen. Impressive, in the book, isNov 06 12:51
schestowitzhow she solicits views from other academics and then replies to them. Judge for yourself how convincingly she sees off her academic rivals.Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzPerhaps the name Oreskes seems familiar? That would be because of her earlier book from 10 years ago “Merchants of Doubt” about how self-professed “scientists” promulgated corporate views, that there is no connection between smoking and cancer.Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzIt is fashionable to deplore the USA. But Oreskes is at Harvard. I salute those who support her research there and wonder whether there is anybody outside the USA who is doing as much to nurture the idea that, at least in science and the law, fact should trump fiction, and that being selective with the facts, making economies with the truth (never mind promulgating an “alternative truth” debases us all and so is something deeply toNov 06 12:51
schestowitzbe deplored.Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_OreskesNov 06 12:51
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Naomi Oreskes - WikipediaNov 06 12:51
schestowitzREPLYNov 06 12:51
schestowitzPatent robotNov 06 12:51
schestowitzNOVEMBER 4, 2020 AT 12:02 PMNov 06 12:51
schestowitzG 2301/16, G 2302/15 and G 2301/15 are a coincidence.Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzG 3/19 is a clue.Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzWill G 4/19 be a proof?Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzREPLYNov 06 12:51
schestowitzConcerned observerNov 06 12:51
schestowitzNOVEMBER 4, 2020 AT 5:56 PMNov 06 12:51
schestowitzThorsten – thank you for drawing attention to this issue.Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzEver since digesting the reasoning of the opinion in G 3/19, my thought has been: how will the EPO’s Administrative Council utilise the power handed to them to essentially force a “dynamic” reinterpretation of pretty much ANY Article of the EPC?Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzG 3/19 makes it clear that the restrictions imposed upon the AC’s legislative powers under Article 33(1)(b) EPC do NOT constrain the AC’s powers to interpret a provision of the EPC. This leaves two important questions unanswered.Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzFirstly, what are the precise conditions that need to be satisfied in order for a new Implementing Regulation to demonstrate a “new legislative intent” that is capable of overriding even a ruling of the Enlarged Board? The opinion in G 3/19 is very woolly on this point, and so I fear that the bar for the AC could well be quite low.Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzSecondly, which Articles of the EPC might the AC decide to “interpret” by way of new Implementing Regulations? Clearly, the provisions governing exclusions from patentability are on the table. But what about other patentability provisions? Or the right to be heard under Article 113 EPC?Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzI hope that I am wrong to worry, but G 3/19 certainly lays the groundwork for all of this to happen.Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzREPLYNov 06 12:51
schestowitzAttentive ObserverNov 06 12:51
schestowitzNOVEMBER 5, 2020 AT 4:09 PMNov 06 12:51
schestowitzThanks to Thorsten and Max Drei for two excellent contributions.Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzWhen reading the contributions, it reminded me of a joke from a representative I meet at a CEIPI conference a long time ago. What is the difference between a scientist and a lawyer? For a scientist the current flows or it does not flow. For a lawyer the current might flow or might not flow depending on the outcome you wish.Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzThat this is perfectly acceptable for a lawyer representing a party, it has deleterious effects when such a stance is adopted by a judge or even a panel of judges. That is exactly what happened in G 3/19!Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzThat scientists can also fake results is an acquired fact. Just think of Lomonossov under Stalin. How many people died as consequence of a “scientific” study which was anything but faked to please the dictator in place?Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzIf judges are selected in view of their support for some specific views on some societal topic, it is a denial of the independence of the judiciary. It might even pay out in the non-distant future in the US, but it is a clear attack under what is called democracy and separation of powers.Nov 06 12:51
schestowitzThe decision G 3/19 is, to put it mildly, a disgrace. When you see how the rapporteur twists and turns to arrive at the decision wished by the AC and the President of the EPO you can but be disgusted. The idea of the “dynamic interpretation” is really flabbergasting.Nov 06 12:52
schestowitzThe EBA had in the past a different attitude when it simply did not want to rubber stamp the President’s decision about the effective dismissal of a member of the boards having allegedly misbehaved and who was fired under disregard of the separation of powers.Nov 06 12:52
schestowitzIf the EBA would have had the guts of his predecessor he should simply have declared the referral as not admissible. This was what the vast majority of people involved in EPO matters expected.Nov 06 12:52
schestowitzThe cynical comment about “increasing the perception of independence of the boards” should have brought about an outcry in the profession. What did one hear from epi: an astounding silence!Nov 06 12:52
schestowitzIt is abundantly clear that the boards of appeal at the EPO are by no means independent. The Chairman of the BA can only exercise the powers transferred to him by the president of the EPO. On top of this he might propose a budget, but that budget will be presented to the AC within the overall budget of the EPO, and only the president has the power to present a budget to the AC. Art 12a refers directly to Art 10(2) and Art 46, so thereNov 06 12:52
schestowitzis not even the perception of true independence. Under independence I understand something different.Nov 06 12:52
schestowitzThe idea of reappointment, but only if the member has shown a required performance, is just the cherry on the cake. And the criteria for reappointment are not even public! R 12d should be scrapped at once.Nov 06 12:52
schestowitzOne does not have been studying at university to realise that the Board are under direct influence of the executive. The situation will not be different at the UPC. And this is not good as exemplified by G 3/19.Nov 06 12:52
schestowitzThe only way to force the EPO to provide the boards of appeal the necessary independence can only come from outside. For instance from the German Federal Constitutional Court before which there are no less than four complaints about the lack of independence of the boards of appeal of the EPO.Nov 06 12:52
schestowitzShould something like the UP and the UPC come to light, another push could come from Luxembourg. After all, an opposition before the EPO against a UP is an action touching an asset valid in the EU, and it would be surprising that the CJEU would not have an opinion on the matter.Nov 06 12:52
schestowitzHope dies last, but all the problems touched upon in the blog should be tackled in a pro-active way. And it does not seem to go that way. Ever heard of Art 4a EPC?Nov 06 12:52
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