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[07:10] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@9vib856syp9u2.irc) has joined #techbytes [07:14] schestowitz https://twitter.com/1Lpic/status/1456720308807872515 [07:14] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@1Lpic: @schestowitz And to practice linux have a look on these 2 books of exam simulations for Lpic-1, but useful also for https://t.co/0DYqnqEnR1 [07:14] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@1Lpic: @schestowitz And to practice linux have a look on these 2 books of exam simulations for Lpic-1, but useful also for https://t.co/0DYqnqEnR1 [07:15] schestowitz https://nitter.eu/GyroGen_TM/status/1456441354045870080 [07:15] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-nitter.eu | GyroWaveGen(TM) (@GyroGen_TM): "How about inventors that aren't RICH?! They can neither challenge 'bad patents' as you say or defend 'good patents'! The system's not only totally SCREWED UP (clearly in favor of the rich) but also in violation of the rights of 99% of Americans - at least! THAT'S CONSTITUTIONAL?!" | nitter [07:15] schestowitz https://niter.eu/GyroGen_TM/status/1456403400963338240 [07:15] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ https://niter.eu/GyroGen_TM/status/1456403400963338240 ) [07:15] schestowitz https://nitter.eu/GyroGen_TM/status/1456403400963338240 [07:15] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-nitter.eu | GyroWaveGen(TM) (@GyroGen_TM): "The AIA is bunk & a giveaway to the large companies & monopolies who PAID for it! They got they're money's worth, that's for sure (but may now also have some buyer's remorse too - now they know how it works)." | nitter [07:16] schestowitz https://twitter.com/Wikileaks_Lover/status/1456385363736346640 [07:16] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Wikileaks_Lover: @schestowitz Oof [07:29] schestowitz >>> I saw a number of your tweets on Podman and wonder if you would [07:29] schestowitz >>> elaborate on the claims that Podman would be a vendor lock-in. I am [07:29] schestowitz >>> reaching out via email since your Twitter account seems to be used for [07:29] schestowitz >>> broadcasting only. [07:29] schestowitz >>> [07:29] schestowitz >>> Note that I am a maintainer of Podman and work for Red Hat. But I am [07:29] schestowitz >>> currently on vacation, so this is only me reaching out to you as a [07:29] schestowitz >>> private person since I am curious on your thoughts. [07:29] schestowitz >>> [07:29] schestowitz >>> Kind regards, [07:29] schestowitz >> [07:29] schestowitz >> Hi, [07:29] schestowitz >> [07:29] schestowitz >> Thanks for reaching out. I installed Podman in Raspi OS about a year [07:29] schestowitz >> ago. It was apparent from the documentation that it was mostly a Red Hat [07:29] schestowitz >> thing, by design. Over time, the second-class citizen status of Debian [07:29] schestowitz >> might become more profound. [07:29] schestowitz > [07:29] schestowitz > I can understand that impression. Documentation is the biggest weak [07:29] schestowitz > point of the project. Currently, we do not have a person working on [07:29] schestowitz > documentation and we try hard to improve on that but almost all [07:29] schestowitz > contributors (and maintainers) are developers, so the documentation [07:29] schestowitz > mostly boils down to man pages. [07:29] schestowitz IBM does not understand the community. I wrote many articles about this over the past 1-2 years. Fedora is crumbling, CentOS is just a brand now, and IBM thinks it can manage Red Hat 'on the cheap': [07:29] schestowitz https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/05/red_hat_jobs/ [07:29] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theregister.com | Red Hat to hire fewer senior engineers after budget frozen The Register [07:29] schestowitz So somehow I doubt IBM will fix the documentation. [07:29] schestowitz Worse yet -- if Podman does not help sell a lot more IBM subscriptions, then IBM might ask the project to 'prove its worth'. [07:29] schestowitz Lately, all the IBM sites (or Red Hat sires) have been pushing Ansible and Podman very hard. [07:29] schestowitz > Fedora has the benefit of many developers working for Red Hat. I [07:29] schestowitz > worked at SUSE before, so Podman is well supported in the (open)SUSE [07:29] *leah has quit (connection closed) [07:30] schestowitz > universe since the very beginning. Debian and Ubuntu are on board [07:30] schestowitz > since last year. I worked closely with the main packager of Debian [07:30] schestowitz > and Ubuntu but it took long to get Podman in due to Debian packaging [07:30] schestowitz > rules in Go. From an upstream perspective, all distributions and [07:30] schestowitz > Windows and Mac are treated the same (see a recent thread on the [07:30] schestowitz > mailing list [1]). [07:30] schestowitz > [07:30] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes [07:30] schestowitz > That being said, documentation is a real problem in the project but we [07:30] schestowitz > do not have a good solution yet. We try to get resources to improve [07:30] schestowitz > and also work with the community but it's not where we want it to be [07:30] schestowitz > yet. We try hard to be an open community, so I feel a bit of pain when [07:30] schestowitz > the project is perceived as a vendor lock-in. Do you have suggestions [07:30] schestowitz > to improve the docs? [07:30] schestowitz Making it about the docs is a bit of a red herring. I worry more about stewardship. [07:30] schestowitz > [1] https://lists.podman.io/archives/list/podman@lists.podman.io/thread/EKEGDOKGMKR6N6YX63BNV5675VXTV4UB/ [07:30] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-lists.podman.io | is podman (and friends) reasonably complete under recent ubuntu? - Podman - Podman List Archives [07:30] schestowitz Thanks for the link. [07:30] schestowitz >> Years ago, with flatpak, I pointed out that systemd was a hard dep. Red [07:31] schestowitz >> Hat assured me that it would be fixed, but not every OS I check it on [07:31] schestowitz >> (this year) shows that systemd is still a hard dep. [07:31] schestowitz >> [07:31] schestowitz >> I expect much of the same from ansible, podman, and the rest of the "IBM [07:31] schestowitz >> portfolio". [07:31] schestowitz >> [07:31] schestowitz >> That's just IBM being IBM. Jim Whitehurst left, as did many others (also [07:31] schestowitz >> managers), which tells me Red Hat isn't Red Hat anymore. [07:31] schestowitz > [07:31] schestowitz > I can only speak from my personal experience, but I haven't had any [07:31] schestowitz > interaction with IBM yet. In my bubble, nothing has changed with IBM. [07:31] schestowitz > My priority list is 1) Red Hat bugs, 2) Red Hat features, 3) upstream. [07:31] schestowitz > Excluding meetings, I easily spend 80 percent of my time on upstream [07:31] schestowitz > which I find a real commitment from Red Hat to the open-source [07:31] schestowitz > community. [07:31] schestowitz IBM is going to 'bluewash' Red Hat over time. They want money. It's the language they understand. [07:31] schestowitz > If you're interested, feel free to join the regular community meetings [07:31] schestowitz > [2]. Since I spend most of my time upstream (as most of my [07:31] schestowitz > colleagues), that's a great way of changing the road map. For [07:31] schestowitz > instance, if you want to make documentation more neutral, you are more [07:31] schestowitz > than welcome to bring that up. [07:31] schestowitz > [07:31] schestowitz > Kind regards,> xxx> [07:31] schestowitz > [2] https://podman.io/community/ [07:31] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-podman.io | Join Our Community [07:31] schestowitz > [07:39] schestowitz >>I saw the full post a month ago in a mirror of reddit. Like I said, [07:39] schestowitz > this endless chase is something that boils down to miscomprehending the [07:39] schestowitz > Internet. [07:39] schestowitz > [07:39] schestowitz > Dear Roy, [07:39] schestowitz > I'll share with you something that I was reluctant to share at first. [07:39] schestowitz > The author in question is going through a difficult time and the [07:39] schestowitz > surrounding situation has led them to consider suicide seriously. I know [07:39] schestowitz > that you are reluctant to change your archive and I know that you have [07:39] schestowitz > certain beliefs regarding the situation, but I want to ask you to make [07:39] schestowitz > an exception in this case. To protect the privacy of the author I don't [07:39] schestowitz > want to go into further details, but please know that this is a very [07:39] schestowitz > serious situation to them. If you could please update your archive, we [07:39] schestowitz > would all be grateful to you. If there is something we can do to help [07:39] schestowitz > the author, we want to and I hope you understand as well. Thank you. [07:39] schestowitz OK, now I understand the matter is important if not urgent. I've removed that entry entirely from the bulletin, using nano. [07:46] schestowitz >>> So that confirms the original speculation that systemd is about the [07:46] schestowitz >>> decommodification of GNU/Linux as per the way M$ mentioned in the [07:46] schestowitz >>> "Halloween Documents". ESR still has a copy online. [07:46] schestowitz >> [07:46] schestowitz >> Should we make our own copy too, then add to gemini, e.g. via wiki page? [07:46] schestowitz >> [07:46] schestowitz >> OSI removed its own copy before removing ESR [07:46] schestowitz > [07:46] schestowitz > It might also be a good excuse to contact ESR about it. Though it would [07:46] schestowitz > be nice to get the originals, too. The first few "Halloween Documents" [07:46] schestowitz > are particularly damning. The rebuttals almost always come in the form [07:46] schestowitz > of addressing their age, but without mentioning their ongoing relevance. [07:46] schestowitz Hi ESR, [07:46] schestowitz I was wondering if you would mind if we made a copy of the Halloween Documents, seeing that OSI removed them and we could really use a copy in Geminispace/Gemini protocol as well. [07:46] schestowitz Hope your blog comes back to life some time... [07:46] schestowitz Kind regards, [07:55] schestowitz > Thunderbird handles BCC /very/ strangely now. 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