●● IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Sunday, March 07, 2021 ●● ● Mar 07 [00:15] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [00:15] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [00:15] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [00:16] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes ● Mar 07 [01:30] schestowitz__ http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-chaotic-start-to-eeqes.html?showComment=1614922669794#c4032403392765198 [01:30] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | A chaotic start to the eEQEs - The IPKat [01:30] schestowitz__ " [01:30] schestowitz__ 41 Comments: [01:30] schestowitz__ [01:30] schestowitz__ AnonymousTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 15:12:00 GMT [01:30] schestowitz__ It sounds suspiciously like some people didn't log in and familiarise themselves with the system beforehand. However, happy to be corrected! [01:30] schestowitz__ Reply [01:30] schestowitz__ Replies [01:30] schestowitz__ [01:30] schestowitz__ AnonymousTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 15:38:00 GMT [01:30] schestowitz__ I'll happily correct you then. Despite practicing with the system ahead of time, only the German paper was made available to candidates at the start of the exam. Initially, even refreshing didn't allow candidates to access the other language of papers. And it wasn't just a few, it was ALL candidates. Only after the EQE secretariat had resolved the issue on their end could we refresh and see the English or French papers. [01:30] schestowitz__ Candidates do care about these exams, a lot, so have put in a lot of time to familiarising ourselves with the system. To just assume we'd not is frankly insulting and very presumptuous. This was not a candidate-side issue, but an EPO-side issue. [01:30] schestowitz__ [01:30] schestowitz__ AnonymousTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 15:45:00 GMT [01:30] schestowitz__ Not the case, I had done 3 mocks and I can tell you that the option to choose the English or French version of the paper was not provided as in the previous mock exams. The only pdf available was the German version. After complaining I was told to refresh the browser and it solved the problem. 0 min extra time was added to compensate for the incidence. [01:30] schestowitz__ [01:30] schestowitz__ AnonymousTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 15:55:00 GMT [01:30] schestowitz__ The EPO have reported that 50% of the candidates offered the opportunity to test the system did not do so. You can be as insulted as you like by my comment but the statistics show that not all candidates tested the system, or have the same view as you. [01:30] schestowitz__ Anonymous of 15:12 [01:30] schestowitz__ [01:30] schestowitz__ LiamLawlorTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 16:36:00 GMT [01:30] schestowitz__ A system wide error the EPO had to give us 30 extra minutes for on the fly, and you think it's because candidates didn't practice? The button to get the English version of the paper literally wasn't there. [01:30] schestowitz__ You're clearly just a bored troll. You might want to actually speak to some candidates before being so judgemental. [01:30] schestowitz__ [01:30] schestowitz__ AnonymousTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 16:38:00 GMT [01:30] schestowitz__ As per the comment above, consider yourself corrected. [01:30] schestowitz__ Even if 50% of candidates did not test the systems beforehand (and you offer no evidence for that claim), it's nonetheless a completely irrelevant point. As Rose has has highlighted in her article, the issue experienced by candidates today was the result of "glitches" (i.e. human error) on the part of the eEQE organisers, who failed to make the paper available in anything other than German for the first 30 minutes of the exam. [01:30] schestowitz__ Whilst it's understandable that some technical issues may arise, such as the well reported problems associated with some external webcams (see, for instance, the corresponding Delta Patents blog post), the organisers of the eEQE should at least be capable of releasing the correct papers at the correct start times for each exam. This kind of basic error is not really acceptable, and serves only to disadvantage candidates, either [01:31] schestowitz__ directly or indirectly. [01:31] schestowitz__ Perhaps consider making fewer sneering comments trying to troll candidates who, by and large, are doing their upmost to adapt to exceptional and difficult circumstances. [01:31] schestowitz__ [01:31] schestowitz__ CharlotteTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 19:46:00 GMT [01:31] schestowitz__ A comment on the statement "50% of all candidates did not test the system". From my understanding, this was said on the webinar of 11 Feb, i.e. well before the actual exam. I had also not tested the system on 11 Feb the reason for this being that I was still waiting for my web cam to arrive (I was a bit late in ordering one since the EPO had stated that we would be getting more info on the technical requirements for the webcam) and I [01:31] schestowitz__ wanted to test the system with my final setup, which was possible until 28th Feb. I have attended the 3 mock exams. Further, it may very well be that if you tested but did not hand in the paper for the mock (such that it would be available later on), this is not counted as "tested". This is all irrelevant to the problems that occurred during the D exam but still wanted to write this down as all of us have spent so much time in [01:31] schestowitz__ attending mock exams, webinars, reading 90 page documents on wiseflow etc... i also felt that this comment was very unfair. [01:31] schestowitz__ [01:31] schestowitz__ AnonymousWednesday, 3 March 2021 at 19:42:00 GMT [01:31] schestowitz__ It isn't very nice just to say that we didn't test the system in advance. I did all the Mocks. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. I only wrote my answers in the Mock 1 software. I did it all, and I had the problem - I NEVER had such a problem before. Sorry, that isn't very nice just to say that some people didn't test it. I did it all. And I didn't get the English until 30 min in, AFTER I got the added time, it disappeared again. I complained, but I [01:31] schestowitz__ got kicked out of the system at 11 am. [01:31] schestowitz__ Reply [01:31] schestowitz__ [01:31] schestowitz__ AnonymousTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 15:21:00 GMT [01:31] schestowitz__ Some webcam glitches were also reported in the pre-EQE yesterday, though it seems that these weren't serious: http://saltedpatent.blogspot.com/2021/03/e-eqe-pre-exam-2021-scanned-copy-and.html?_sm_au_=iVV3DvqFw7MvN44HLHtGHKQ3T6M04 [01:31] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-saltedpatent.blogspot.com | Salted Patent: e-EQE - Pre-Exam 2021: copy to try yourself, and some technical problems [01:31] schestowitz__ Reply [01:31] schestowitz__ [01:31] schestowitz__ AnonymousTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 16:15:00 GMT [01:31] schestowitz__ German Candidates get 2 hours, English and French candidates get 1h30 - 1h45 while in a state of acute stress.. possibly in the worst nightmare scenario you can imagine for an exam... yeh that's completely fair. [01:31] schestowitz__ Reply [01:31] schestowitz__ Replies [01:31] schestowitz__ [01:31] schestowitz__ AnonymousTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 16:22:00 GMT [01:31] schestowitz__ Not to mention being 1000th in the queue waiting for someone to help while all this is going on [01:31] schestowitz__ Reply [01:31] schestowitz__ [01:31] schestowitz__ JTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 17:15:00 GMT [01:31] schestowitz__ This happened to me in mock II for Paper C. I was sure I'd done everything the same as in Mock I, but after logging in and out several times (which I could only do because we had the invigilator password for the mock) it eventually came up in English. I told myself it was just the panic of the mock that made me miss the button, but it must have been this glitch. [01:31] schestowitz__ It is so horrible that this happened today and I don't know how they can fairly compensate candidates when German speakers were not affected in the first place AND had extra time. [01:31] schestowitz__ Let's hope it is sorted for the rest of the week. [01:31] schestowitz__ Reply [01:31] schestowitz__ [01:31] schestowitz__ UnknownTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 17:51:00 GMT [01:31] schestowitz__ I confirm, I tested the system with the 3 mocks and there always was the choice of pdf in en, fr or de. But this morning, no you only had the exam in de. For me, it was 10min lost and a high stress level before they told me to refresh the browser. Fingers crossed that this will be the only and last problem for this e-eqe session! [01:31] schestowitz__ Reply [01:31] schestowitz__ [01:31] schestowitz__ AnonymousTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 17:57:00 GMT [01:31] schestowitz__ It seems the three rounds of mock exams were not attended by the epo/eqe/wiseflow. [01:31] schestowitz__ Great start to the day followed by various further technical problems [01:31] schestowitz__ Reply [01:32] schestowitz__ [01:32] schestowitz__ UnknownTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 19:03:00 GMT [01:32] schestowitz__ I propose to group together to get real compensation for this totally unacceptable situation. To obtain fair compensation I propose to all candidates to join the LinkedIn group : NEVERAGAINEQE [01:32] schestowitz__ Reply [01:32] schestowitz__ [01:32] schestowitz__ AnonymousTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 19:50:00 GMT [01:32] schestowitz__ In addition to Delta Patents, Pete Pollard of the Salted Patent blog did a sterling job in keeping us informed and providing practical tips. [01:32] schestowitz__ Reply [01:32] schestowitz__ [01:32] schestowitz__ AnonymousTuesday, 2 March 2021 at 21:55:00 GMT [01:32] schestowitz__ The results that the EQE secretariat will issue from paper D's invigilation should not be admitted due to the differentiated treatment that has been given to candidates. If this is not possible, the members of the EQE secretariat need to be fired. Also, their ability to represent before or work for the EPO should be removed for two years (one for each year in which the affected candidates were not given the ability to do the EQE). If [01:32] schestowitz__ two years is too much, then one year. During this removal period, they should not receive any pay and the possibility of joining the EQE secretariat should never be available for them again. [01:32] schestowitz__ Reply [01:32] schestowitz__ Replies [01:32] schestowitz__ [01:32] schestowitz__ AnonymousWednesday, 3 March 2021 at 09:25:00 GMT [01:32] schestowitz__ Yeah, why not hang them while we are at it... I did paper D and was affected by the bug too. But hey, there is one person that did a mistake with a computer and, yes, it sucks. But this kind of mistakes happens to everyone. May be you should chill out a bit. [01:32] schestowitz__ [01:32] schestowitz__ TedThursday, 4 March 2021 at 11:48:00 GMT [01:32] schestowitz__ Making mistakes is a part of life. The first time ever that these exams were online, there were bound to be mistakes. I'm confident that there will be some form of semi-reasonable compensation. [01:32] schestowitz__ Reply [01:32] schestowitz__ [01:32] schestowitz__ AnonymousWednesday, 3 March 2021 at 07:27:00 GMT [01:32] schestowitz__ How could they screw up so completely? I mean it is so much that have to work in order to make this eEQE working, and they manage not to distribute the questions at the start of the exam. This must surely be the absolutely easiest part of the whole circus. [01:32] schestowitz__ Reply [01:32] schestowitz__ Replies [01:32] schestowitz__ [01:32] schestowitz__ AnonymousFriday, 5 March 2021 at 05:19:00 GMT [01:32] schestowitz__ It is up to the EQE to show that this disastrous problem occurred despite all due care required by the serious circumstances that an exam is... [01:32] schestowitz__ Reply [01:32] schestowitz__ [01:32] schestowitz__ AnonymousWednesday, 3 March 2021 at 08:02:00 GMT [01:32] schestowitz__ I think this is what happened. At the start of the exam, the paper was only available in German for everyone. The chat instantly became overloaded. I believe at 9:36 they might have uploaded the English and French version. There is what the internal message system in Wiseflow (not chat) stated and asking candidates to refresh. However I believe there was a second mistake, in that this message was only received once the refresh was [01:32] schestowitz__ done. The message was received at 10.00 after refreshing. The end was first extended with 10 min, then at around 10.50, a further 20 min was added. For Germans, the exam was probably a breeze. For others, a bit stressful. [01:32] schestowitz__ Reply [01:32] schestowitz__ [01:32] schestowitz__ The unknown EQE candidat helperWednesday, 3 March 2021 at 09:26:00 GMT [01:32] schestowitz__ I do not agree with bashing people working at the EQE secretariat. The first culprit is actually the person sitting at the head of the EPO. For many reasons, which I will not dwell on presently, this person wants an absolute digitalisation of the EPO whatever it might cost. See what happened with OP in form of ViCos whether the parties agree or not after the pandemic. [01:32] schestowitz__ The decision to skip the EQE in 2020 was taken quite early in the year. The decision of changing the procedure to an e-EQE was taken around mid-year. It took until the end of the year to give candidates a first opportunity to test the system. The last test was one week before the exam. All the ingredients for a disaster were present. And the disaster occurred. [01:32] schestowitz__ I would have thought that when the decision was taken to go over to an e-EQE, the necessary means should be ready. Nothing like this happened. [01:33] schestowitz__ The candidates and tutors had barely the possibility to prepare for the new form of the EQE in which parts were cut in two. This needs a review of the teaching methods, and as a tutor I would have wished to know about this change much earlier. [01:33] schestowitz__ When it is claimed that the e-EQE is equivalent to the paper EQE, it is a gross exaggeration. If WiseFlow would give the same possibilities to process a text like Word, I could agree, but this is by far not the case. [01:33] schestowitz__ The fear of possible cheating has pushed the EQE secretariat and Board into a frenzy of measures. And the candidates suffer in an unnecessary manner. [01:33] schestowitz__ Rather than sending the EPO - and epi people - having contributed to the disaster away, I would rather send them to sit the papers three weeks running. This might make them think twice on what they have done to the candidates, and forces them to adopt a better system. [01:33] schestowitz__ The EQE is difficult enough and it did not need the system to increase the difficulty. [01:33] schestowitz__ In the famous videoconference of 11th February it was made clear that a return to a paper EQE is out of question. Lets hope that the e-EQE 2022 will be better prepared and a system allowing a clear equivalence with a paper EQE will be chosen. [01:33] schestowitz__ I feel deeply sorry for this years candidates and can only encourage them to stay steady and complain in the form required. [01:33] schestowitz__ That an organisation likes the EPO is unable to organise correctly a very important exam is symptomatic of the deliquescence the office undergoes in the last years. People having not a clue of the actual work done decide on the policies which should be applied. And the AC is simply gaping. [01:33] schestowitz__ Reply [01:33] schestowitz__ Replies [01:33] schestowitz__ [01:33] schestowitz__ Proof of the puddingWednesday, 3 March 2021 at 10:20:00 GMT [01:33] schestowitz__ Are you suggesting that the EPO has rushed to implement a digitalised solution without properly planning, preparing and testing the necessary systems (never mind putting relevant safeguards in place)? Who would have thought it? [01:33] schestowitz__ [01:33] schestowitz__ The unknown EQE candidat helperWednesday, 3 March 2021 at 14:18:00 GMT [01:33] schestowitz__ I would not stick my tongue in my cheek but rather at all the incompetent EPO would be managers! [01:33] schestowitz__ [01:33] schestowitz__ TedThursday, 4 March 2021 at 11:51:00 GMT [01:33] schestowitz__ I wonder if they will consider that they took all due care to ensure the smooth running of the exams. [01:33] schestowitz__ [01:33] schestowitz__ AnonymousFriday, 5 March 2021 at 05:31:00 GMT [01:33] schestowitz__ The EQE tells candidates to start preparation early. But a first view of the platform was only available the day before Christmas... and that version did not have the major Alt-Tab flaws... so yes, they rushed. There was and is one good reason: COVID. But if you need to rush, you need to provide all necessary resources to be able to reach the required care and robustness. That was tried, vit the events show it did not work out good [01:33] schestowitz__ enough. 1500-2500 candidates per paper are too many to serves as Guinee pigs for a proven immature system (proven by Mock 2 and 3) [01:33] schestowitz__ Reply [01:33] schestowitz__ [01:33] schestowitz__ AnonymousWednesday, 3 March 2021 at 13:44:00 GMT [01:33] schestowitz__ I was affected by this, and it certainly added a lot stress, and led to a worse performance for me personally. I immediately contacted the ZenDesk invigilator, only to see that I was position ~600 in the queue, and with these numbers dropping rather slowly. So I tried starting with the German paper, somehow, constantly checking the ZenDesk chat status. After a 30 min or I was told to refresh, which fixed the issue. I was already [01:33] schestowitz__ majorly stressed by that time, way more than I should be, and that lasted for the rest of the paper. The time extension was communicated later, randomly via the Wiseflow system, with no further explanation. The break to D2 was cut short. [01:33] schestowitz__ With no fault of my own (I participated in all Mock exams, read all instructions, took part in all video sessions) I had worse exam conditions a) than others and b) as I should have expected. Some people may deal better with such a situation, but for me it triggered some major panic, which I couldn't really get rid of during the rest of the exam. [01:33] schestowitz__ I look forward to retaking D in 2022. [01:33] schestowitz__ Reply [01:33] schestowitz__ [01:33] schestowitz__ AnonymousWednesday, 3 March 2021 at 14:08:00 GMT [01:33] schestowitz__ I'd characterise the issues as teething problems. Before biting me, please read my full comment. [01:33] schestowitz__ Firstly, CLEARLY candidates have been affected, and I am in no way diminishing the very valid feelings that candidates will have regarding these technical issues and their impact on the exam(s). [01:33] schestowitz__ However, the EQE board will likely take measures to compensate those affected, and that they acknowledge the impact on candidates (especially in terms of morale). What these measures are remains to be seen, but there are many very valid ways to normalize marks, and with the increased data they have through WISEflow they could do some very clever things to make sure that people sitting the paper in FR or EN are not disadvantaged [01:33] schestowitz__ compared to our DE speaking colleagues, statistically speaking. [01:33] schestowitz__ I sat paper A today, and I must say that the system worked very well today (though admiteddly, others may have had issues). I can see a future where this system is the norm for the EQEs and that the majority are happy with it. Until then, the EQE board will surely take feedback, investigate, and iterate upon the current system until arriving at an acceptable solution. [01:33] schestowitz__ Expecting perfection from each other (and that goes both ways) is unhealthy. Show me a perfect exam system anywhere in the world. As long as both sides respect each other, and equity is assured for all, then I think it will work out okay. Until then, I hope candidates will be kind to the humans at the other end of the e-mail address, and that the EQE board will be open minded in their analysis of their own performance, and how they [01:33] schestowitz__ can assure equity for all candidates. [01:34] schestowitz__ Reply [01:34] schestowitz__ Replies [01:34] schestowitz__ [01:34] schestowitz__ AnonymousWednesday, 3 March 2021 at 14:46:00 GMT [01:34] schestowitz__ Message from the Examination Board (3 Mar 2021) [01:34] schestowitz__ The Examination Board of the EQE is aware of a situation that affected paper D1.1. The Examination Board guarantees that the marking process will be conducted so that no candidate will be disadvantaged because of that. [01:34] schestowitz__ Well there we go, be interesting to see if they make use of the data to help EN and FR. Can't seem them penalizing DE! I would like to see them look generally to see if DI-2 and DII were affected, statistically, for FR and EN speakers too! If there is a clear anomaly happening then they can correct it. If not then at least they can say they looked. [01:34] schestowitz__ [01:34] schestowitz__ Proof of the puddingWednesday, 3 March 2021 at 16:40:00 GMT [01:34] schestowitz__ It would indeed be unreasonable to expect perfection. Competence, however, could reasonably have been expected. [01:34] schestowitz__ The evidence points to inadequacies with regard to the planning, preparation and/or testing of the relevant (digital) systems. The result seems to be a chaotic mixture of (wildly) different experiences for different candidates. In such circumstances, it is impossible to devise (post hoc) a marking system that ensures a level playing field between all candidates. The best that can be hoped for are generalised adjustments that might be [01:34] schestowitz__ fair to some ... but certainly not to all. [01:34] schestowitz__ To describe such an outcome as representing mere "teething problems" is frankly astonishing. Moreover, it appears to be an attempt to absolve those responsible of any blame. Either way, minimising the consequences in such a manner is a guaranteed way of ensuring that no one learns the right lessons from this episode. [01:34] schestowitz__ [01:34] schestowitz__ Proof of the puddingThursday, 4 March 2021 at 13:03:00 GMT [01:34] schestowitz__ Anon 3 Mar 14:08 [01:34] schestowitz__ You say that "with the increased data they have through WISEflow they could do some very clever things to make sure that people sitting the paper in FR or EN are not disadvantaged compared to our DE speaking colleagues, statistically speaking". [01:34] schestowitz__ Well, perhaps you might want to consider the experience of English students in 2020 and the conclusions reached regarding the unfairness inherent in using algorithms to "adjust" grades: [01:34] schestowitz__ https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/world/europe/uk-england-grading-algorithm.html [01:34] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.nytimes.com | British Grading Debacle Shows Pitfalls of Automating Government - The New York Times [01:34] schestowitz__ https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/aug/13/england-a-level-downgrades-hit-pupils-from-disadvantaged-areas-hardest [01:34] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theguardian.com | England A-level downgrades hit pupils from disadvantaged areas hardest | Education | The Guardian [01:34] schestowitz__ [01:34] schestowitz__ AnonymousFriday, 5 March 2021 at 05:37:00 GMT [01:34] schestowitz__ Why would they use algorithms? They themselves could also look at the data, and I trust they will. AI never leads to fairness! [01:34] schestowitz__ [01:34] schestowitz__ Proof of the puddingSaturday, 6 March 2021 at 10:17:00 GMT [01:34] schestowitz__ Anon, [01:34] schestowitz__ Who said anything about AI? I was simply referring to the possibility (raised by you) of using mathematical / statistical techniques to "adjust" scores. [01:34] schestowitz__ The problems with such approaches include the facts that: (1) by necessity, they make assumptions that will not be true for all candidates; (2) they are generalised approaches that do not take into account the very specific circumstances of each candidate; (3) they cannot account for the possibility of unexpected variations between different candidates (in the same country, in different countries or in different years). [01:34] schestowitz__ Therefore, quite justifiably, English school students in 2020 felt that statistical adjustments to their exam scores did not adequately reflect their individual abilities. I do not see how things could be any different for the EQEs. [01:34] schestowitz__ Reply [01:34] schestowitz__ [01:34] schestowitz__ AnonymousWednesday, 3 March 2021 at 16:36:00 GMT [01:34] schestowitz__ The mock sessions were there to iron out any possible teething problems. That is what they are good for! [01:34] schestowitz__ But when you start mocks barely two months before the actual exam and furthermore not for all papers, then you necessarily end up in disaster. [01:34] schestowitz__ Coming up less than two months from the exam with the information that some papers will be cut in two is also something which is not acceptable. [01:34] schestowitz__ What is at stake here are not teething problems, it is the shear improvisation of the whole e-EQE following an order de mufti from the 10th floor. [01:34] schestowitz__ I am convinced that the people sitting in the EQE secretariat/board have done what they could, but in view of the time constraints it was not enough. [01:34] schestowitz__ Why was it necessary to schedule the exam at the same moment as in the past? A shift of a month or two would have helped, but no, that would be too simple. That the results would have been delayed a bit could is not a reason good enough in view of the exceptional circumstances. [01:34] schestowitz__ Reply [01:34] schestowitz__ [01:35] schestowitz__ AnonymousWednesday, 3 March 2021 at 21:04:00 GMT [01:35] schestowitz__ it shame because the events yesterday affected my performance today. I was so anxious about the system that it did take away my concentration and focus for today. I'm not making excuses but the reality is I massively panicked yesterday, couldn't settle (sleep) last night and it has affected my performance today for Paper A. A system that is flawed affect your confidence, focus and trust in it. [01:35] schestowitz__ I cannot help but this has really affected me so far this week. I hope to recover a bit for the rest of the exams. [01:35] schestowitz__ Reply [01:35] schestowitz__ [01:35] schestowitz__ AnonymousWednesday, 3 March 2021 at 21:07:00 GMT [01:35] schestowitz__ The EPO really needed to take into account the tremendous amount of time and effort candidates have put into complying with all the admin burden placed on them leading up to the exam. There was so much changes/chopping/testing that no one really got a decent run of revision. Everyone I knew were merely trying to keep up with update after update. Then the disaster happened on Tuesday which ultimately has a knock on effect for the rest [01:35] schestowitz__ of the week. [01:35] schestowitz__ Reply [01:35] schestowitz__ [01:35] schestowitz__ AnonymousWednesday, 3 March 2021 at 21:10:00 GMT [01:35] schestowitz__ There is alot of confusing around some of the text on key features of the invention in paper A today, perhaps the text was badly worded/not clear. See Deltapatents Paper A blog. [01:35] schestowitz__ There were question numbering errors in paper D yesterday (although minor) along with the language issue. [01:35] schestowitz__ It gives the impression that checks were not adequately done or things were missed this time round. [01:35] schestowitz__ Reply [01:35] schestowitz__ [01:35] schestowitz__ AnonymousThursday, 4 March 2021 at 07:58:00 GMT [01:35] schestowitz__ This refresh business. I attended the online sessions, I did the mocks, I read the Salted Patent, and I just did not know that we could refresh to fix it. HELLO? I waited 30 minutes in the queue to be told that. Why could they not have sent a systemwide message telling us to refresh? when my counter suddenly eliminated the 30 extra minutes, and I reported it AGAIN, why couldn't they have just said refresh again? What a mess. [01:35] schestowitz__ Reply [01:35] schestowitz__ [01:35] schestowitz__ AnonymousThursday, 4 March 2021 at 11:28:00 GMT [01:35] schestowitz__ What is required is not perfection, but a system which works and does take candidates for a ride. Every wish of the Grand Mufti will be scrupulously carried out with anticipatory obedience! [01:35] schestowitz__ The EPO has dramatically failed, but those responsible for the failures will remain in place as they belong to the happy few which are not constantly bashed by the would be managers of the EPO. [01:35] schestowitz__ And after the present head of the EPO who will come? [01:35] schestowitz__ The one who will finish digging EPO's grave? [01:35] schestowitz__ Further, faster, higher but in the end a bloody nose is waiting. [01:35] schestowitz__ On one point Mao was right when he said that the fish starts stinking from the head. [01:35] schestowitz__ Reply [01:35] schestowitz__ [01:35] schestowitz__ AnonymousThursday, 4 March 2021 at 14:58:00 GMT [01:35] schestowitz__ I experienced the same with paper A yesterday - I had completed all 3 mock exam tests without issue & was comfortable with the system. Printed additional info in English, then entered the flowlock & only had the German version available. I clicked on assignment button & refresh several times & spoke to Zendesk lots - 30 mins passed while invigilators tried to resolve- I suggested exiting using invigilator password, clicking on the [01:35] schestowitz__ language icon before re-entering- & this seemed to work as I then had English (no idea if this is what resolved the situation). When I requested more time, the invigilators refused to give me 30 mins back. The most stressful exam of my life. [01:35] schestowitz__ " ● Mar 07 [04:42] *vmg32 (~vmg3b@103.137.14.132) has joined #techbytes [04:43] *vmg32 has quit (Client Quit) [04:44] *vmg3 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) ● Mar 07 [07:31] schestowitz__ x https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/microsoft-to-launch-new-azure-cloud-region-in-china/81373364 [07:31] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Azure cloud: Microsoft to launch new Azure cloud region in China, IT News, ET CIO [07:31] schestowitz__ x https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9331807/The-Covid-jab-plot-Bill-Gates-Thats-former-girl-Lady-Victoria-Hervey-believes.html [07:31] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.dailymail.co.uk | 'The Covid jab? It's a plot by Bill Gates': That's what former It-girl Lady Victoria Hervey believes | Daily Mail Online [07:31] schestowitz__ # strawman ● Mar 07 [08:31] schestowitz__ http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-chaotic-start-to-eeqes.html?showComment=1615079111791#c1887074124419126243 [08:31] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | A chaotic start to the eEQEs - The IPKat [08:31] schestowitz__ " [08:31] schestowitz__ Lets not even start talking about Paper B, which did not meet any of the necessary standards. Errors (e.g. non highlighted amendments, reference signs) , contradictory, unclear ( both in terminology and in the clients express wishes which you had to partly run counter to) combined with an unusual richness in issues to be dealt with (they upped the level waaaaay to much) and add to that by the limitations of Wiseflow (only one [08:31] schestowitz__ editable A4 can be seen, pdf cannot be highlighted) compounded by the choice of the EQE to it allow printing of the most critical parts of the paper. [08:31] schestowitz__ (Side by side comparison of original vs suggested amended claims was made very difficult to spot unannounced amendments) [08:31] schestowitz__ "\ ● Mar 07 [09:01] schestowitz__ "\https://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-chaotic-start-to-eeqes.html?showComment=1615079111791 [09:01] schestowitz__ " [09:01] schestowitz__ Lets not even start talking about Paper B, which did not meet any of the necessary standards. Errors (e.g. non highlighted amendments, reference signs) , contradictory, unclear ( both in terminology and in the clients express wishes which you had to partly run counter to) combined with an unusual richness in issues to be dealt with (they upped the level waaaaay to much) and add to that by the limitations of Wiseflow (only one [09:01] schestowitz__ editable A4 can be seen, pdf cannot be highlighted) compounded by the choice of the EQE to it allow printing of the most critical parts of the paper. [09:01] schestowitz__ (Side by side comparison of original vs suggested amended claims was made very difficult to spot unannounced amendments) [09:01] schestowitz__ " [09:09] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [09:10] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [09:26] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [09:27] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes ● Mar 07 [11:56] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [11:56] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [11:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [11:57] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes ● Mar 07 [13:53] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:54] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) ● Mar 07 [14:49] *gry has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) ● Mar 07 [15:01] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [15:01] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [15:06] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [15:07] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) ● Mar 07 [17:18] *hook54321 has quit (*.net *.split) [17:18] *MinceR has quit (*.net *.split) [17:20] *MinceR (mincer@unaffiliated/mincer) has joined #techbytes [17:20] schestowitz__ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20231759#76a7fcc061530139f6da2a0000053625 [17:20] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@linux@joindiaspora.com: #HowTo Deal With Your Raspberry Spy - Part V: All The Rest http://techrights.org/2021/03/07/raspberry-spy-the-rest/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/07/raspberry-spy-the-rest/ [17:20] schestowitz__ " [17:20] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | How To Deal With Your Raspberry Spy Part V: All The Rest | Techrights [17:20] schestowitz__ This article means you to install netbsd. Funny your user tag is Linux^^ [17:20] schestowitz__ robb [17:20] schestowitz__ robb - about 8 hours ago [17:20] schestowitz__ The original OS being #rasbian is #linux. A derailed #linux distro, but still linux. [17:20] schestowitz__ elgiorgio [17:20] schestowitz__ elgiorgio - about 6 hours ago [17:20] schestowitz__ Good point [17:20] *hook54321_ (sid149355@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nwurhmngvtzonyqp) has joined #techbytes [17:20] schestowitz__ " [17:21] schestowitz__ Yes, the scandal itself was a "Linux" one... 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