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[14:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[14:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	lots of "Bill Sez" on Yle today :( probably attributable to the 
[14:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	damage which M$ Jungner caused there some years ago
[14:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	I am annoyed that state money is used on behalf of Gates' reputation management
[14:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	It's been a shitload of air time devoted to his uneducated yammerings today
[14:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	Worse, it's indicative that Yle staff are thoroughly indoctrinated and will
[14:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	make efforts to avoid covering ICT and ICT policy in any responsible manner.
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● Sep 07
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m1y0mrrr
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[20:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	My manager basically said Im too valuable to the team to be given a promotion
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	He didn't use those exact words, of course, but that was the gist of it. How do you even respond to something like that other than quitting? (Which I now fully intend to do as soon as I can find something else - and I wasn't planning on leaving any time soon.)
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	I get what youre saying. Im not surprised by that comment. Managers know that if you get promoted and get a pay raise, there is a good chance youll be on the RA list at some point due to making too much.
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	But it is also a lame a-s excuse trying to make it sound like your manager is doing your favor. They should fight for you if they want to keep you.. just goes to show how dysfunctional that company is.
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	On your way out the door just tell them I am way too valuable not to take the promotion I got at my new job
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	57 minutes ago by Anonymous
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[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +1 
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Bob calls BS.
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	2 hours ago by Anonymous
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[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @ar+1m1y0mrrr
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +4 
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Getting placed in a higher band will make you more vulnerable to elimination
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	3 hours ago by Anonymous
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[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @ag+1m1y0mrrr
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[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	@a7 not OP - but it happens a lot more then you think
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	4 hours ago by Anonymous
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[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	@OP You've got your marching orders. Aim for the day you give notice - when you tell your manager that you're too valuable NOT to be promoted.
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Devise a plan, start looking, and make smart decisions along the way (you don't want to trade one bad scene for another).
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	You'll get there.
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Best of luck to you!
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	5 hours ago by Anonymous
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[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	@OP That logic doesnt make sense. They should give you a promotion to retain you. Good for you to take matters in your own hand!
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	5 hours ago by Anonymous
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[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @a7+1m1y0mrrr
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +1 
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Get it in writing or secretly record them saying it to you asap
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	5 hours ago by Anonymous
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[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @a6+1m1y0mrrr
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +1 
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	It is racism in disguise
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[20:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m1y5s2va
[20:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[20:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	Do this when you know a PIP or RA is in the works
[20:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	Lots of good info sharing and advice sharing here as IBM ramps up PIPs and RAs to levels no one thought possible. In 38 states below it might be a very good idea to record all mtgs with your mgmt. to protect yourself and your rights.
[20:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	In the United States, you can legally record a conversation without telling the other person in 38 states and Washington, D.C., provided that you are an active participant in the conversation. These are known as one-party consent states, meaning only one person (you) needs to consent to the recording.
[20:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.rev.com/blog/phone-call-recording-laws-state)
[20:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	It remains a federal crime to record a conversation that you are not a part of (e.g., leaving a hidden device in a room to eavesdrop on others).
[20:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	States Where You Can Record Secretly (One-Party Consent)The following states allow you to secretly record conversations you participate in:"
[20:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[20:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	Wow. You's people must LOVE working at IBM. Cuz I fu---n hate it.
[20:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	1 hour ago by Anonymous
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[20:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +1 
[20:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	As soon as anyone gets the RA notification, IBM allows to start looking for an internal position. Stop any ongoing work and focus on yourself.
[20:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
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● Sep 07
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[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	"pular Ginni. While Sam Palmisano aggressively offshored, Ginni actually made some strategic investments such as Watson Health and deeply investing in design. On paper, these were good decisions.
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	The problem is that despite having had had tremendous talent once upon a time, IBM has always been led by useless parasites including Ginni herself who lacked essential leadership skills and could only make quarter-to-quarter decisions which shareholders love but which are anathema to generating long-term profit. Look at the recent obsession with people being client facing - they only wanted people who were bringing in green dollar
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	s but forgot that people only give you green dollars if there is a worthwhile product and the people who made that happen are rarely strictly client facing.
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Ginni did a fine job burning her own legacy down, but whatever was left Arvind made sure was only black ash in the end. Design has all been but eradicated from IBM which makes sense since they were not allowed to make any strategic decisions on their own despite having the actual expertise. Heck, some of the product teams were led by "product owners" that were really failed journalists! Anything to keep experienced designers and re
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	searchers from having an actual say in the product, as they were too easily swayed by users and customers and real data. All the journalists did was bow to the whims of the clueless stakeholders, who were incapable of creating anything that wasn't pure mediocrity.
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	So much talent was wasted. But now the downfall of IBM is back on course. Time to die.
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	3 hours ago by Anonymous
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[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @e3+1m1vzvdf6
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +7 
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	@av so true. I was also finally PIPed recently and it was the best thing that could have happened to me. Good luck to all of you out there. Life is better outside of this miserable company.
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	13 hours ago by Anonymous
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	| 7 reactions (+7/-0) | Reply
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @c9+1m1vzvdf6
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +5 
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	@OP how does PIP mean RA is coming? I dont get why they have to frame it as lien performance . Most companies have a spreadsheet and just layoff however hurts them the least while saving the most and say its not performance based.
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	18 hours ago by Anonymous
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	| 9 reactions (+7/-2) | Reply
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @bc+1m1vzvdf6
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +8 
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Im honestly surprised the collapse hasnt happened yet. I left Ibm after 18 years two years ago. I thought it was on the brink then.
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Its just a matter of a time before all the clients find something better. All the years of arrogance gonna come back to bite them. Quality isnt even thought of. Only Profit margin. As profit margin shrinks. So do the ranks of the employees. Its the only mechanism they have for boosting stock price prices .
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Arvind and his team made so much money from doing this. That is the justification being made for destroying a US based company.
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	19 hours ago by Anonymous
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[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @b4+1m1vzvdf6
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +7 
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Indian Bullsh-t Makers
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	19 hours ago by Anonymous
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[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @b2+1m1vzvdf6
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +5 
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	@a2 who do you think replaces the workforce in the U.S. and Europe?
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	20 hours ago by Anonymous
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[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @ay+1m1vzvdf6
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +10 
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	@at Quality waved bye bye at ibm a long time ago
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	21 hours ago by Anonymous
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	| 10 reactions (+10/-0) | Reply
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @av+1m1vzvdf6
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +7 
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Offshoring to save money yet tanking quality. The "leaders" need to be replaced not the poor people getting RAs.
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	21 hours ago by Anonymous
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[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @at+1m1vzvdf6
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +3 
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	@ah its definitely coming.
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	22 hours ago by Anonymous
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[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @an+1m1vzvdf6
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +10 
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	IBM employees celebrate labor day Monday, Tuesday, they will get the pink slip.
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Alvind the Indian wins.
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	22 hours ago by Anonymous
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[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @ah+1m1vzvdf6
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +8 
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	@a8 when IBM fire the employee (RA/PIP), the responsibility (mission) is transferred to India. That explains the hiring frenzy in India.
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	23 hours ago by Anonymous
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[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @ae+1m1vzvdf6
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +6 
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	The 2nd lines in Albany should be RAed. What have they honestly done? What value added? In most cases they are unnecessary
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	23 hours ago by Anonymous
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[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @ab+1m1vzvdf6
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +7 
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	@a2 Are you serious? OP is almost certainly from North America or Europe, where the ranks of employees are being absolutely decimated so that they can be replaced by Arvind's countrymen in India.
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	1 day ago by Anonymous
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[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @a8+1m1vzvdf6
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +2 
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	@OP How do you explain, the frenzy of IBM hiring spree in India ?
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	1 day ago by Anonymous
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[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @a2+1m1vzvdf6
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +9 
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Alvind at work
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