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| schestowitz | no 12-07? | Dec 07 08:30 |
| schestowitz | I can see the diffs, first line and about the last 10 in the list, so I took those out, assuming | Dec 07 08:30 |
| schestowitz | you forgot to create a new file and just carried on editing the existing one | Dec 07 08:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 07 08:30 |
| schestowitz | (daily links) | Dec 07 08:30 |
| schestowitz | Re: Gender in tech | Dec 07 08:48 |
| schestowitz | > People self-identify as computer people or non-computer people by the | Dec 07 08:48 |
| schestowitz | > age of 10. | Dec 07 08:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 07 08:48 |
| schestowitz | > Schools discourage everybody, tech companies are extremely demanding of | Dec 07 08:48 |
| schestowitz | > people's time. To the point where if you have any other life, on average | Dec 07 08:48 |
| schestowitz | > I think you are still screwed. | Dec 07 08:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 07 08:48 |
| schestowitz | > Let's not talk about men's expectations of women regarding makeup and | Dec 07 08:48 |
| schestowitz | > clothes without talking about how brutal women are to each other | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > emotionally. It's not just men discouraging women from tech, it's their | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > friends, mothers, sisters as well. These men who think women shouldn't | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > be in tech obviously exist, but I don't personally know any who admit to | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > feeling that way. Every aspect of our culture is probably less conducive | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > (not by necessity) to women in tech, and the solutions proposed tend to | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > lump the blame on one group of people. If 99% of men are encouraging of | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > women in tech, hypothetically of course-- and just 1% of men are in | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > charge of hiring, there are all sorts of ways the problem can be | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > attributed disproportionately to reality. | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > Of course like you, I would also like to hear more from women about this. | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > I find females easier to teach than men incidentally. Females on average | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > tend to ask questions and self-assess more critically. Men are harder to | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > teach because they pretend they already know more than they do. This | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > would be easy to poke fun at men for, however there is a flipside to | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > this, which is that women are not EXPECTED to know everything-- men sort | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > of are. Both men and women are associated with traits where | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > vulnerability is not socially accepted. Men are not simply predisposed | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > to pretending to know things-- the pressure on them to know things is | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > external. And we aren't just talking about natural roles evolved over | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > the years, but the way society has been engineered through marketing, | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > capitalism and industry. Men who don't know everything will be | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > overlooked for hiring, go hungry, fail to provide-- and treated like a | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > bum. so expecting them not to act that way is unrealistic. | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > And maybe here is a clue-- if men are expected to know everything, or at | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > least fake it, and women are the opposite, which one gets hired for a | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > field where people really "need" to know everything, all the time? | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > "Can you act like you know everything?" | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > "Are you kidding? I do that every day!" | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > "You're hired!" | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > "Can you act like you know everything?" | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 07 08:49 |
| schestowitz | > "I mean, I could try that, I guess. I don't know absolutely everything-- | Dec 07 08:50 |
| schestowitz | > that's okay, right?" | Dec 07 08:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 07 08:50 |
| schestowitz | > "Thanks for coming in, we'll get back to you." | Dec 07 08:50 |
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