IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, January 08, 2022

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> On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 12:23:52AM +0000, xxxxxx wrote:

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>> xxxxx,

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>> I am still interested in publishing the article. When you ask if

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>> both I and Roy are interested, I have to be clear that since search

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>> engines penalized websites that have the same content as on other

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>> websites, it would have to be either my site or Roy's site but not

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>> both. I think you understand that, but I just want to be sure we

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>> understand each other.

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> Thanks CS, Okay, I'll split it off into different stand-alone articles

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> in that case. For very different reasons I don't do that with

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> mainstream outlets either, but it's not uncommon to pitch to a few

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> friendly editors and see who bites.

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> But this is a complete surprise to me. I had no idea that we'd reached

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> a situation on the internet where there's a disincentive to widely

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> disseminate and promote works. Things just get worse and worse.

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>> Although I have a mirror of xxxxx's Guide on ZeroNet, I have

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>> not been keeping it current (I think it is now about a year out of

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>> date), so don't count on your article making it there any time

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>> soon. I just haven't had the time to update it lately.

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> Looking at Roy's setup I think he's built filters to automatically

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> maintain a Gemini image. I've looked at this myself a lot - thinking

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> about how a publisher easily maintains multiple presences from a book

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> publishing POV (I have to keep a PDF, epub, and Postscript typeset

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> versions in parallel). It comes down to what form you 'ingest' or

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> write in. I use org-mode because it has many flexible back-ends. Some

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> people go through Pandoc/Markdown. AFAIK Roy ingests simple HTML and

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> uses html2gmi which creates nice gemeni markup.

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> What you definitely want to avoid is hand-tweaking multiple markups.

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>> As far as a list of sympathetic websites is concerned, do you mean

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>> social media? The only list I have is the list of forums that I

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>> have been maintaining here:

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>> https://cheapskatesguide.org/articles/forum-list.html .

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> No. I have never been interested in social media myself. Maybe people

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> repost stuff in Facebook/Twitter or whatever, but I have spent the

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> past 10 years staying well away from all of it.

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> Small-scale, personal relations with people who may repost to smaller

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> forums and networks is exactly what I want to cultivate.

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>> I regularly post links to my articles on the smaller forums on that

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>> list that haven't banned me. I have also posted links to two (I

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>> think) of your recent articles on Techrights on a ZeroNet forum,

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>> but most of ZeroNet does not get much traffic.

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> Thanks. What you are doing is awesome - beause in network theory you

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> are acting like a bee... a very small number of cross-pollinators have

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> a disproportionate influence by connecting parts of the small-web and

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> distributed web together. I am confident this is _definitely_ what

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> 'they' do not want.

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>> I can't quantify well what I mean by "much". I don't know much

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>> about other sympathetic websites. I guess I haven't really thought

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>> about that question or been paying much attention to them, so I'm

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>> not exactly sure how to respond there.

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> Me neither. It's all new territory to me. I am still trying to make

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> sense of Gemini space and ZeroNet. Last year I experimented with

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> GNUNet and Gemini. I am willing to keep trying but my strategy as an

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> author/researcher is to build/join real human networks of like-minded

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> people and collect intel on what's working. The _last_ thing I would

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> welcome is any precarious and risky presecnce within FB/Twitter/Google

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> etc. There's actually a page in my book that says "please don't

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> promote this on Facebook" :)

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>> As far as sites like Hacker News being hostile to non-mainstream

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>> information (like ewaste), you have to understand that many Hacker

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>> News readers work for big tech.

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> I guessed that but wasn't sure. It looks like a Silicon Valley boys

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> club.

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>> As I have unfortunately learned, all it apparently takes is a few

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>> readers to complain and you can find yourself shadow banned.

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> Sure, it's a clique, like many "communities" there's an invisible

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> power dynamic with a small mob of enforcers. Once they _identify_ you

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> the game is up. So I guess with places like that the strategy is to

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> always be a new outsider and hope that 'submissions' get traction on

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> their merit,

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>> long-term platform on the Internet for expressing non-mainstream

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>> ideas is to create one, e.g. a personal website.

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> As far as 10 year projects go, that's possible. I've done it before. I

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> ran xxxxxx between 2005 and 2016 as a hub for electronic music

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> ideas in a language called Pure Data. Very niche but a surprisingly

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> active and lovely community.

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> This is a different phase of my life. With what's happening to the

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> planet it's not about me or the old things any more. I want to focus

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> on writing and understanding, so I am reaching out to people who have

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> already built and can defend dissemination channels.

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> Oddly, I have less trouble with the mainstream. The Times or BBC seem

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> relatively warm to "radical" ideas about reshaping tech (probably

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> because regulation aligns with their agenda - but that is not my

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> schtick and actually I think most regulation will achieve very little)

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> "Digital Veganism" is sort of a thing that mums and grans can get

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> their heads around.

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> all best,