●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, August 08, 2024 ●● ● Aug 08 [01:25] *thiel3 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:25] *thiel3 (~thiel3@u8mz5ab9qj5ra.irc) has joined #techbytes [01:35] *IsambardPrince (~isambardprince@uv27a6cvmtqf6.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Aug 08 [02:18] schestowitz[TR2] re canonilca [02:18] schestowitz[TR2] " [02:18] schestowitz[TR2] They claim to be making money hand over fist [02:18] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.bdc.ca/en/articles-tools/entrepreneur-toolkit/templates-business-guides/glossary/gross-margin [02:18] schestowitz[TR2] 80% gross margin reported [02:18] schestowitz[TR2] Interesting that the report is in USD, the latest MagPi has had USD prices too [02:18] schestowitz[TR2] One peripheral item to note is that they have used the M$ scammers 'DocuSign' [02:18] schestowitz[TR2] to ID the report. [02:18] schestowitz[TR2] Their most expensive director pulled in $333k USD in 2023 [02:18] schestowitz[TR2] ^ MagPi is RPi but the shift has been to USD there, which might possibly be [02:18] schestowitz[TR2] for something related to the IPO [02:18] schestowitz[TR2] I'll look into it more, but it is so far outside my experience that [02:18] schestowitz[TR2] I was mixing up Canonical and RPT. [02:18] schestowitz[TR2] " [02:18] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-What is gross margin? | BDC.ca ● Aug 08 [05:03] *x-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [05:08] *x-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@9dbcu4348vvde.irc) has joined #techbytes [05:09] *x-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [05:12] *x-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@9dbcu4348vvde.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Aug 08 [07:51] schestowitz[TR2]
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    AMD Ryzen 9000 Series processors dates and prices revealed
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    AMD have now officially revealed the exact date and pricing for their exciting upcoming AMD Ryzen 9000 Series processors launch.

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    • [07:51] schestowitz[TR2] [07:51] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-AMD Ryzen 9000 Series processors dates and prices revealed | GamingOnLinux ● Aug 08 [08:32] *parsifal (~parsifal@6thegygyadsu4.irc) has joined #techbytes [08:32] *parsifal has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Aug 08 [12:06] *psydroid2 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.2.4 Quasar http://www.kvirc.net/) [12:38] psydruid AMD is very much acting like Intel with its pricing now [12:39] psydruid many people still like to frame this as an Intel vs AMD thing [12:39] psydruid because of Microsoft Malware [12:39] schestowitz[TR2] it was in the 1990s [12:39] schestowitz[TR2] late 90s [12:39] schestowitz[TR2] my first amd laptop, 1999 [12:39] schestowitz[TR2] very slow cpu [12:40] schestowitz[TR2] other hardware was not "for laptops" [12:40] schestowitz[TR2] i.e. not for windows [12:40] psydruid I had different reasons to go AMD in the 2000s, it had to do first with Pentium 4 and later with hardware support for virtualisation [12:41] psydruid Intel liked to segment its processors like that [12:47] schestowitz[TR2] have a read: [12:47] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.computer.org/csdl/magazine/co/1995/02/r2064/13rRUwInv7E [12:47] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.computer.org | CSDL | IEEE Computer Society [12:48] schestowitz[TR2] we are way past the point of needing more h/w [12:48] schestowitz[TR2] "He explores the reasons behind software's increasing heft and relates the history of Project Oberon as an example of how software should be built. Oberon's primary goal was to show that software can be developed with a fraction of the memory capacity and processor power usually required without sacrificing flexibility, functionality, or user convenience.' [12:53] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@j9gt2haw74jrk.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Aug 08 [13:15] psydruid I know about Worth, although I haven't looked into Project Oberon yet [13:15] psydruid Wirth* [13:18] schestowitz[TR2] my first "real" P/L was his [13:18] schestowitz[TR2] (Paascal) [13:18] schestowitz[TR2] and i can relate to this issue [13:18] schestowitz[TR2] most of what i do these days is terminals and text editor [13:18] schestowitz[TR2] with some syntax highlighting, that's all [13:18] schestowitz[TR2] i am productive that way [13:19] schestowitz[TR2] i use libreoffice for some pdfs [13:19] schestowitz[TR2] but for other reasons [13:19] schestowitz[TR2] otherwise latex [13:19] schestowitz[TR2] but this one is a book [13:19] schestowitz[TR2] and no maths in it [13:22] psydroid2 mine too, although I learned Java at about the same time [13:23] psydroid2 the machines on my desk have 2 GB and 4 GB, respectively [13:23] psydroid2 and anemic processors, but I always think it's about the system first [13:23] psydroid2 so the right combination of hardware and software [13:23] schestowitz[TR2] psydroid2: yes, me also, mainlky 2gb [13:23] schestowitz[TR2] and it's ok [13:24] psydroid2 something modern software developers have lost track of [13:24] schestowitz[TR2] the newest (2022) is 4gb [13:24] psydroid2 so you need to upgrade every few years to run the latest bloatware [13:24] psydroid2 mainly browsers [13:24] schestowitz[TR2] xchat is not to obese [13:24] schestowitz[TR2] or hexchat [13:24] schestowitz[TR2] or gnome-chat [13:24] psydroid2 I don't think that's sustainable [13:24] schestowitz[TR2] *too [13:25] schestowitz[TR2] with these specs you get the rejects [13:25] schestowitz[TR2] like, at the shops [13:25] schestowitz[TR2] total clearance [13:25] schestowitz[TR2] cheap cheap cheap [13:25] schestowitz[TR2] or offloaded from someone else [13:26] psydroid2 that's why it makes sense for OEMs to target M$ bloatware [13:26] psydroid2 they wouldn't earn much targetting GNU/Linux leanware [13:26] psydroid2 or would have to sell a lot more to get the same profits [13:26] psydroid2 and that wouldn't work with their bloated corporate structures [13:34] schestowitz[TR2] windows is 'free' [13:34] schestowitz[TR2] they add junk to it [13:34] schestowitz[TR2] like spyware and "bonzi buddy" grade "shit" [13:34] schestowitz[TR2] you know what i mean [13:34] schestowitz[TR2] no point explaining it ;-) [13:34] schestowitz[TR2] but that model pisses off some customers [13:34] schestowitz[TR2] they don't mind paying a little more [13:34] schestowitz[TR2] to not have the shit preloaded [13:35] schestowitz[TR2] android and chromeos are the 'same' [13:35] schestowitz[TR2] you get android 'free' [13:35] schestowitz[TR2] but the OEM preloads gmail etc [13:35] schestowitz[TR2] it's in their contract with google, I used to remember the details [13:35] schestowitz[TR2] it was subject to court cases' scrutiny [13:35] schestowitz[TR2] "no free lunch" [13:36] psydroid2 they wouldn't dare to do things like this in the pre-Windows days [13:36] psydroid2 imagine a university lab with UNIX machines having this kind of malware on every machine [13:37] psydroid2 and now it's supposed to be normal to have these kinds of malware machines even in academia [13:37] schestowitz[TR2] right [13:37] schestowitz[TR2] but this is what happened [13:37] psydroid2 it's a farce and they know it [13:37] schestowitz[TR2] the business supremacy [13:37] schestowitz[TR2] even ISPS [13:37] schestowitz[TR2] the net used to be for academia [13:37] schestowitz[TR2] and then the ISPs gave dial-up [13:37] schestowitz[TR2] and then did DPI [13:38] schestowitz[TR2] deep packet inspaection [13:38] schestowitz[TR2] so it's "monetisable" [13:38] schestowitz[TR2] and you cannot even opt out [13:38] schestowitz[TR2] unless you encrypt everythinmg [13:41] psydroid2 I wonder if the layoffs at x86 hardware companies (Intel, Dell and others) is tied to the decline of Windows and its market share [13:41] psydroid2 and if this this only the beginning [13:42] *IsambardPrince has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [13:42] psydroid2 I think the hardware companies that will come out of this winning aren't going to be the traditional American and Taiwanese OEMs [13:42] psydroid2 unless they manage to fool people into thinking that Windows hardware in an ARM disguise is somehow revolutionary [13:43] schestowitz[TR2] right [13:43] schestowitz[TR2] anyway, you CAN get h/w for free [13:43] schestowitz[TR2] almost [13:44] schestowitz[TR2] because many fools think their PC 'expired' [13:44] schestowitz[TR2] but it's not [13:44] schestowitz[TR2] it's eprfectly OK [13:44] schestowitz[TR2] i also get coconut water from sri lanka [13:44] schestowitz[TR2] about 90% or 95% off RRP [13:44] schestowitz[TR2] because people here don't know what it is [13:44] schestowitz[TR2] and won't buy it [13:44] schestowitz[TR2] so I got like 40 cartons of the thing [13:45] schestowitz[TR2] there are usually scenarios where collective ignorance leaves you better off [13:56] psydroid2 that's true ● Aug 08 [14:01] schestowitz[TR2] our monthly expenses are laughably low [14:01] schestowitz[TR2] but we live a good life [14:02] schestowitz[TR2] daemonfc is the same [14:05] psydroid2 I don't know if large parts of society are able to live like that [14:05] psydroid2 always wishing for the next big material possession [14:06] psydroid2 houses and apartments are pretty much unaffordable here [14:06] psydroid2 the same thing that happened in Ireland [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] it is by design [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] see materials [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] and how they deteriorate [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] like a car [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] and then you realise you overpay [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] when you buy one [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] the prices will fall [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] when the economies return to their senses [14:11] schestowitz[TR2] remember we looked at some dutch houses [14:11] schestowitz[TR2] not even livable [14:11] schestowitz[TR2] and how much they want for it [14:11] schestowitz[TR2] without walls or anything [14:16] psydroid2 I don't think there's anything this society offers what you can't get in the UK [14:16] psydroid2 that* [14:20] psydroid2 and there is now a housing shortage causing house prices to soar [14:21] psydroid2 even I am looking to abandon this place, as my sister is with her family over the next few years [14:24] schestowitz[TR2] it's a global issue [14:24] schestowitz[TR2] i read the same in DW and CBC [14:24] schestowitz[TR2] they SAY there is a shortae [14:24] schestowitz[TR2] *ge [14:24] schestowitz[TR2] to drive up prices [14:25] schestowitz[TR2] yet you walk out there and see loads of empty and unsold units [14:25] schestowitz[TR2] and you know it's a delusion [14:25] schestowitz[TR2] commonly spread in media [14:25] schestowitz[TR2] there are enough rooms for everyone [14:25] schestowitz[TR2] and then some [14:29] psydroid2 so they want to scare people away? [14:32] schestowitz[TR2] no [14:32] schestowitz[TR2] they protect the owner class [14:32] schestowitz[TR2] the people who bribe politicians [14:32] schestowitz[TR2] and own the lion's share of "property" [14:33] schestowitz[TR2] so rent slavery persists [14:33] schestowitz[TR2] or people take mortgages [14:33] schestowitz[TR2] and pay 7% on it every year, just the interest alone [14:33] schestowitz[TR2] until they die [14:35] schestowitz[TR2] so whatever wage they give you.. [14:35] schestowitz[TR2] they clwn a lot of it back [14:35] schestowitz[TR2] and the pensioin is used to prop up their ponzi market or share prices [14:36] schestowitz[TR2] while the salary you pay also gets paid into the state [14:36] schestowitz[TR2] as taxes [14:36] schestowitz[TR2] while they themselves barely pay any taxes [14:36] schestowitz[TR2] so a lot of the labour gives "money" [14:36] schestowitz[TR2] and most of it is fed back to them [14:36] schestowitz[TR2] "tax on life" [14:36] schestowitz[TR2] s/clwn/claw [14:47] psydroid2 that sounds exactly like neofeudalism enabled by technofeudalism [14:55] schestowitz[TR2] i didn't read the book [14:57] psydroid2 I've only read the first chapter so far ● Aug 08 [15:00] schestowitz[TR2] http://techrights.org/n/2024/07/05/Yanis_Varoufakis_About_Turning_Technology_Back_Against_Sources_.shtml [15:00] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Techrights Yanis Varoufakis About Turning Technology Back Against "Sources of Power" [15:49] *jacobk (~quassel@rr2rh58ht72yy.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Aug 08 [16:10] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@j9gt2haw74jrk.irc) has joined #techbytes [16:13] *x-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:13] *x-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@9dbcu4348vvde.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Aug 08 [17:04] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:18] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@vrjpn3w7kihz4.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Aug 08 [20:58] schestowitz[TR2] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2024/08/fishy-evidence-do-we-have-right.html?showComment=1723033576963#c6978856090540206300 [20:58] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Fishy evidence: Do we have the right sufficiency standard for therapeutic use? (T 1057/22) - The IPKat [20:58] schestowitz[TR2] "The questions is asked whether we need a reset of what it means for a therapeutic use to be disclosed? This case cannot be used as evidence to support a problem with the sufficiency requirement for a medical use. Just because the poster believes the invention is fishy is not a just reason. Yes, it may appear unlikely that there would be a proven clinical benefit if a trial is conducted. Yes, there is no commercial benefit from a [20:58] schestowitz[TR2] therapeutic patent monopoly for a "nutritional supplement" absent clinical data. More importantly, there should be no promotion of the supplement for any remote anticancer benefit absent marketing approval. This would be unlawful though there are many methods marketers can use to avoid illegality.

    So why is this not a case that should lead us to write to our MP's? Simply, because there is credible data in the [20:58] schestowitz[TR2] patent monopoly that an anti-cancer effect is achieved both in vitro (cancer cell lines) and in vivo (murine model) using the claimed substance. Issues over breadth of scope are legal technicalities that are case-specific and are irrelevant to the broader question of what data is required to justify support.

    As commented, clinical trial data is not the relevant standard. That is the standard for marketing approval. For [20:58] schestowitz[TR2] the patent monopoly system to support pharmaceutical innovation, it is also an unworkable standard. There are many who believe it is the right standard; the ignorant.

    The data provided in the patent monopoly is the same data used to support patents for unapproved pharmaceuticals; those the poster would not find fishy. Such unapproved pharmaceuticals may have a more realistic chance of success than the fish oil in the mi [20:58] schestowitz[TR2] nds of the "pharma-informed", but they are themselves at high risk of failure. Indeed, composition of matter patents cover may trillions of compounds that have a cat-in-hell's chance of success.

    The in vitro and in vivo tests of the patent monopoly are reasonable experiments to conduct to determine whether a compound has any potential benefit for further evaluation. Whether such tests are reasonably predictive [20:58] schestowitz[TR2] for the supplement of the patent monopoly is something that expert evidence would shed further light on. The opposition was a little weak, and maybe the patent monopoly is undeserved, but the patentee's case was the stronger.

    The final comment on whether the right kind of innovation is being rewarded is indicative of the objection to this patent monopoly being possibly based on a non-objective analysis." [20:59] schestowitz[TR2] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2024/08/fishy-evidence-do-we-have-right.html?showComment=1723041032451#c6778138478181122971 [20:59] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Fishy evidence: Do we have the right sufficiency standard for therapeutic use? (T 1057/22) - The IPKat [20:59] schestowitz[TR2] "Rose reports that the Opponent failed to meet its burden of proof and convince the tribunal that the data was insufficient to establish plausibility. Indeed, in TKIP's judgement, the data was, all along, "credible". Rose discusses the obviousness issue and then asks whether a "reset" of the sufficiency standard is needed in Europe but it seems to me that if one is needed it is in the USA rather than in Europe. [20:59] schestowitz[TR2]

    But then again, if the obviousness enquiry under the EPC were to be as grotesque as in the USA, one could understand the EPO resorting more often to Art 83 EPC to prevent unpatentable matter making it through to grant. As it is, at the EPO, obvious subject matter can be refused without much ado. And that's the more important thing, isn't it?" ● Aug 08 [21:48] *psydroid3 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) ● Aug 08 [22:04] *IsambardPrince (~isambardprince@p9a7bfbzj6a68.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Aug 08 [23:38] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:40] *jacobk (~quassel@rr2rh58ht72yy.irc) has joined #techbytes [23:57] schestowitz[TR2] "Hi Roy, [23:57] schestowitz[TR2] It's interesting to see which AI companies will be able to scale moving forward. The recent market volatility may or may not bring the AI front runners to the very top. But we already know who those are, OpenAI, Nvidia and Anthropic. [23:57] schestowitz[TR2] I wish upon you ample doses of pain and suffering, Said Nvidias CEO to Stanford Students a few months ago, implying, success requires ample doses of pain. [23:57] schestowitz[TR2] However, is this recent market tumble something the burgeoning AI market can survive or is it the ample dose of pain and suffering required to separate the true AI winners? [23:57] schestowitz[TR2] Id like to offer Jim Kaskade, CEO of Conversica, the company that created the first enterprise-ready GPT solution. Jim has been talking about AI in the Wall Street Journal, CNBC, and ABC7, and can provide insights on if we are in an AI bubble or not. [23:57] schestowitz[TR2] Additionally, I can offer Talal Shamoon, CEO of Intertrust, a data governance and authentication company. Talal can contribute his decades experience as a Silicon Valley-based tech CEO who has seen plenty of new technologies succeed and fail. [23:57] schestowitz[TR2] Should I arrange a call for you with Jim and Talal? [23:57] schestowitz[TR2] Best," [23:58] schestowitz[TR2] "Hi Roy, [23:58] schestowitz[TR2] Microsoft has confirmed that its second IT outage in two weeks was caused by a Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack. This disruption, which lasted nearly 10 hours and affected services like Microsoft 365, Azure, and Minecraft, was exacerbated by a misconfiguration in the companys DDoS protection mechanisms. [23:58] schestowitz[TR2] As you have covered cyber attack, Id like to introduce you to Harjinder Lallie, university reader (Cyber Security) at University of Warwick."