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| schestowitz | Time-waster again: | Jun 10 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | [23:37] <AVRS> Hi. Maybe you remember me | Jun 10 00:01 |
| schestowitz | [23:37] <schestowitz> hi | Jun 10 00:01 |
| schestowitz | [23:38] <AVRS> About downloading your articles… | Jun 10 00:01 |
| schestowitz | [23:38] <AVRS> You could make torrents monthly maybe | Jun 10 00:01 |
| schestowitz | [23:39] <schestowitz> can you help us with that? | Jun 10 00:01 |
| schestowitz | [23:39] <AVRS> I don't know how to do it best, I made one only once. | Jun 10 00:01 |
| schestowitz | [23:39] <schestowitz> it would require getting the latest month's archive each month, then seeding the whole | Jun 10 00:01 |
| schestowitz | [23:41] <AVRS> Seeding COULD be a problem, as torrent clients are always broken for me. But when I made a Wikipedia archive torrent, and put the torrent file only on Kad/eMule (amule), it was eventually downloaded from the bittorrent client, too | Jun 10 00:01 |
| schestowitz | [23:41] <AVRS> considering that a torrent file can rarely be regenerated as there are many variables that it depends it, that could work… | Jun 10 00:01 |
| schestowitz | [23:43] <AVRS> although I don't really run my computer all the time and have a lack of RAM because of too many tabs in Firefox. | Jun 10 00:01 |
| schestowitz | [23:43] <AVRS> While reading stuff to correct the Wikipedia article on RMS, I opened another hundred or so | Jun 10 00:01 |
| schestowitz | [23:44] <AVRS> Now there is enough RAM for Anki at least, while I'm closing tabs. | Jun 10 00:01 |
| schestowitz | [23:44] <AVRS> And while doing that, I sometimes save the pages to the Internet Archive | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:44] <schestowitz> public? | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:44] <AVRS> Also in the past I used ScrapBook extension | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:45] <AVRS> Internet Archive is archive.org | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:45] <schestowitz> yes, I know | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:45] <AVRS> I haven't used the private feature there | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:45] <schestowitz> can you volunteer to help us mirror the site? | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:45] <schestowitz> it already has its IA account | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:45] <schestowitz> with some archived stuff, but far too little | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:45] <AVRS> What does that mean? | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:46] <AVRS> I simply use the Firefox extension to save separate pages. | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:47] <AVRS> I also check if the page was already after the latest backlink, though not sure it's useful | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:47] <AVRS> requires as much time | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:48] <schestowitz> anyway, if you can help, please do | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:48] <AVRS> If I just press "save" without checking, it would save multiple versions per day, which is unhelpful when reading | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:49] <schestowitz> I can open up access if needed | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:49] <schestowitz> but my hands are full | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:49] <schestowitz> so if you want additional archiving tasks, you can volunteer to help | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:49] <AVRS> (the addon has no settings) | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:49] <AVRS> The question is what the access means. | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:50] <schestowitz> whatever you need | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:50] <AVRS> (I have an Anki review backlog of many thousands of cards) | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:51] <schestowitz> if you can mirror the site, for backup, then great | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:51] <schestowitz> but if not, then I won't do it\ | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:51] <schestowitz> I am trying to finish an article ATM | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:51] <AVRS> ok, I can't then | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:51] <schestowitz> and I'd be happy if you can help make backups available to all/more people | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:51] <AVRS> except if you had torrents | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:52] <AVRS> I haven't started a torrent client for months | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:52] <AVRS> though | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:52] <AVRS> . | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:52] <AVRS> they all suck | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:53] <AVRS> aMule is simple, but it doesn't allow blocking upload of files being downloaded. | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:53] <schestowitz> we don't need torrents | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:53] <schestowitz> upload the files to IA | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:53] <schestowitz> and we can advertise this as official mirror | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:53] <schestowitz> we already have a techrights accoint in IA | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:53] <schestowitz> you have static copies | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:53] <schestowitz> can you upload them for us, please? | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:54] <AVRS> um, I couldn't find the static copies | Jun 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:54] <AVRS> something was wrong with the page | Jun 10 00:03 |
| schestowitz | [23:55] <AVRS> It looks more like a sitemap. | Jun 10 00:03 |
| schestowitz | [23:56] <schestowitz> you can get it afresh | Jun 10 00:03 |
| schestowitz | [23:56] <schestowitz> but will you upload? | Jun 10 00:03 |
| schestowitz | [23:56] <AVRS> I have no account ATM | Jun 10 00:03 |
| schestowitz | [23:56] <schestowitz> I can give you access to ours | Jun 10 00:03 |
| schestowitz | [23:57] <schestowitz> but only if you promise to make progress on this | Jun 10 00:03 |
| schestowitz | [23:57] <AVRS> I'll go eat then think | Jun 10 00:03 |
| schestowitz | [00:54] <AVRS> If it's easy and not urgent every time, I agree. | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [00:58] <AVRS> hm "Further, you agree not to recirculate your password to other people or organizations." | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [00:59] <AVRS> What if they notice? | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:02] <schestowitz> just a sec | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:02] <schestowitz> busy with something for a couple mins | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:03] <schestowitz> there's no password yet, not in that sense | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:17] <schestowitz> ok, so | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:18] <schestowitz> can you upload static archives you have? | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:18] <AVRS> I simply saved using Firefox | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:18] <AVRS> What I saved using ScrapBook, I haven't seen for years and don't know what it is. | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:18] <AVRS> So there is very little of what I saved using Fx. | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:19] <AVRS> I just downloaded the wiki archive from IA and added to KTorrent, but will try Deluge as KTorrent is not friendly to file moves. | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:19] <AVRS> (Deluge worked OK, but broke one day) | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:19] <AVRS> Does IA create torrents on its own? | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:25] <AVRS> (just 9 pages from Fx) | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:33] <schestowitz> did you get this from our IA account? | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:39] <AVRS> yes | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:39] <AVRS> https://archive.org/details/techrightswiki_07-27-2019_18.50.47.tar | Jun 10 01:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-archive.org | techrightswiki_07-27-2019_18.50.47.tar : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive | Jun 10 01:41 | |
| schestowitz | [01:40] <schestowitz> aha | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:40] <AVRS> 4 Views ?? | Jun 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:40] <schestowitz> ok, well, maybe you want to add more to this archive | Jun 10 01:42 |
| schestowitz | [01:40] <schestowitz> yes, we never advertised this | Jun 10 01:42 |
| schestowitz | [01:40] <schestowitz> a reader asked us to upload this | Jun 10 01:42 |
| schestowitz | [01:40] <schestowitz> I am going to bed now | Jun 10 01:42 |
| schestowitz | [01:40] <AVRS> good night | Jun 10 01:42 |
| schestowitz | [01:41] <schestowitz> if you are willing to help archive/back up the site, let us know | Jun 10 01:42 |
| schestowitz | [01:41] <schestowitz> we need help to keep the site publishing often | Jun 10 01:42 |
| schestowitz | [01:41] <schestowitz> gn | Jun 10 01:42 |
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| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vvHfUK5bGrmTYHVw0 | Jun 10 05:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:36 |
| schestowitz | What is Qualified Immunity for Police Officers? These Six Cases Are Being Discussed By the Supreme Court | Jun 10 05:36 |
| schestowitz | https://www.newsweek.com/what-qualified-immunity-police-officers-these-six-cases-are-being-discussed-supreme-court-1509484 | Jun 10 05:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:37 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 403 @ https://www.newsweek.com/what-qualified-immunity-police-officers-these-six-cases-are-being-discussed-supreme-court-1509484 ) | Jun 10 05:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vv8TG0W6ITx0vDg3s | Jun 10 05:37 |
| schestowitz | "I'm getting a 500 internal server error on techrights.org since today morning." | Jun 10 05:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:37 | |
| schestowitz | Can you try again? Maybe load-related. | Jun 10 05:37 |
| schestowitz | also make sure it doesn't try https | Jun 10 05:37 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vv653t3JRA8Z53yoS | Jun 10 05:38 |
| schestowitz | " interesting... and not auspicious." | Jun 10 05:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vuPPaeitNTrxTu3Qu | Jun 10 05:39 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:39 | |
| schestowitz | "write-only is how I’ve been thinking of using twitter too. Right now I’m just not on it at all unless I hear from somewhere else that there is something I should be paying attention to there." | Jun 10 05:39 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vuQ3ZEBcYET73YMk4 | Jun 10 05:40 |
| schestowitz | "also I think you are wrong about twitter being a trump-boosting environment, it’s a general worst-parts-of-humanity-boosting environment."\ | Jun 10 05:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vuIMXX1LtkxiktmvA | Jun 10 05:40 |
| schestowitz | "School in the US have to pay the police for protection?! What's next? Private contractors?" | Jun 10 05:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vuJ6xBwHUwycnAacy | Jun 10 05:40 |
| schestowitz | "Yet another DDoS attack?" | Jun 10 05:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vuEs5XMZS6KLbqZI8 | Jun 10 05:42 |
| schestowitz | "who is dictating to Linux Mint?" | Jun 10 05:42 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:42 | |
| schestowitz | Upstream packages | Jun 10 05:42 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vuFBGFOyTDV4DaVs0 | Jun 10 05:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:42 |
| schestowitz | you can get an asus vivobook for 5-600 USD | Jun 10 05:42 |
| schestowitz | with i5 processor | Jun 10 05:42 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:42 | |
| schestowitz | just switch Windows for Linux OS | Jun 10 05:42 |
| schestowitz | 6 GB RAM which you can change | Jun 10 05:42 |
| schestowitz | 1 TB storage | Jun 10 05:42 |
| schestowitz | is your spam better value for money than this? | Jun 10 05:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:42 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vuENlihga6qCMh4xU | Jun 10 05:43 |
| schestowitz | "Where does it ask this? I don't see "microsoft" mentioned anywhere." | Jun 10 05:43 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:43 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft GitHub/shithub | Jun 10 05:43 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vu9BP5JWBGmkaYPoG | Jun 10 05:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:44 |
| schestowitz | @schestowitz tl;dr | Jun 10 05:44 |
| schestowitz | 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjTEBvZbIs8 | Jun 10 05:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:44 | |
| schestowitz | 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeOkjDEgWy4 | Jun 10 05:44 |
| schestowitz | 3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZfaJSD2UCA | Jun 10 05:44 |
| schestowitz | 4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYK9bRNDrbM | Jun 10 05:44 |
| schestowitz | 5) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ufxvVCe15k | Jun 10 05:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | YouTube | Jun 10 05:44 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | YouTube | Jun 10 05:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vu6It0gM59Xj7GQy0 | Jun 10 05:44 |
| schestowitz | "Why HTTP though?" | Jun 10 05:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | YouTube | Jun 10 05:44 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | #uregina120 - #59 - Red Herring - YouTube | Jun 10 05:44 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | #uregina120 - #65 - Ad Hominem - YouTube | Jun 10 05:45 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vtNXuEja4t7wBcmyu | Jun 10 05:45 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ https://pleroma.site/notice/9vtNXuEja4t7wBcmyu ) | Jun 10 05:45 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:45 |
| schestowitz | I had posted one of techrights links/article about how GNOME board members have Github accounts, and one GNOME developer was outraged. | Jun 10 05:45 |
| schestowitz | https://mastodon.social/@alatiera/104309012230872551 | Jun 10 05:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:45 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-mastodon.social | Jordan Petridis: "@redstarfish@social.linux.pizza If everyone is wo…" - Mastodon | Jun 10 05:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://mastodon.social/@alatiera/104309012230872551 | Jun 10 05:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:45 |
| schestowitz | All of #GNOME Board of Directors Works on (for?) Microsoft #GitHub | Jun 10 05:45 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/07/gnom | Jun 10 05:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:45 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | All of GNOME Board of Directors Works on (for?) Microsoft GitHub | Techrights | Jun 10 05:45 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:46 |
| schestowitz | @redstarfish If everyone is working for github, why did gnome, freedesktop and kde all spinned up gitlab instances, going with github hosting would have made much more sense no? or is it some kind of diversion technic to avoid being exposed by low effort journalists? | Jun 10 05:46 |
| schestowitz | Ofcource no one can hide from techrights.org investigative journalism! Great article!!!11!!!! | Jun 10 05:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:46 |
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| schestowitz | "' | Jun 10 05:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:46 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what are you talkimg about.. The article shows #GNOME *board members* have #Github accounts which is proprietary and owned by Microsoft. So board members of an organisation that claims to fight for user freedom(or they don't do it anymore, probably joined the #Microsoft funded OSI) uses proprietary Github.. Pathetic. | Jun 10 05:46 |
| schestowitz | There was no mention of how GNOME, KDE develop software. | Jun 10 05:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:46 |
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| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vtAMggUKT39JevVlA | Jun 10 05:47 |
| schestowitz | " No words lol" | Jun 10 05:47 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vseGNKACQfL08QlO4 | Jun 10 05:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:48 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:48 |
| schestowitz | Did an aged activist set up the Buffalo police? | Jun 10 05:48 |
| schestowitz | NWO Psyop! Fake! | Jun 10 05:48 |
| schestowitz | https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/06/did_an_aged_activist_set_up_the_buffalo_police.html | Jun 10 05:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.americanthinker.com | NO TITLE | Jun 10 05:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vseJYKJkUqJzf1ATg | Jun 10 05:48 |
| schestowitz | "When I saw that video I immediately thought of that fake indian who was beating a drum and taunting high school students at Covington." | Jun 10 05:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vsDu5lgC8XXNA0zhY | Jun 10 05:49 |
| schestowitz | "Because it worked SO WELL for the healthcare industry." | Jun 10 05:49 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vsB1J4WpU6Wnaa1b6 | Jun 10 05:49 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:49 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:49 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we need to try positive re-enforcement - Jitsi meet and big blue button respect your privacy and rights. | Jun 10 05:49 |
| schestowitz | Telling people that zoom spies on them seems to just fall on deaf ears. | Jun 10 05:49 |
| schestowitz | "\ | Jun 10 05:49 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vs8Phs1ytzcnUg4dE | Jun 10 05:50 |
| schestowitz | "Too right. For Prince Andrew it should be TREASON for bringing the royal family in to such disrepute." | Jun 10 05:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vrjHxZZDf4sKHFbBg | Jun 10 05:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:50 |
| schestowitz | CI can run whenever the maintainers want it to run. It should also run *after* merging code into master, so it will get tested somehow. And it can be reverted if its found to break some stuff somewhere. | Jun 10 05:50 |
| schestowitz | Alternatively, you can read the CI configuration (GitHub uses Travis, which uses a yaml file in the repository), and run the test commands locally if you want to be more confident in the patch you're writing. | Jun 10 05:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:50 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:50 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vrjAi1KdxuA44mPzM | Jun 10 05:50 |
| schestowitz | "Namasté und Guten Morgen lieber Alwin 🙏" | Jun 10 05:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vrj17pPptQdD6dVwm | Jun 10 05:51 |
| schestowitz | "@tyil @Sawmain @schestowitz Aye. Not every maintainer does this, though. I’ve contributed to Vim via just the mailing list, for example; Bram is good like that. However, that does mean that CI doesn’t run on your pull request…" | Jun 10 05:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vrirUkpk62JQ0tvQ8 | Jun 10 05:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:52 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:52 |
| schestowitz | Just to put my money/links where my big mouth is: | Jun 10 05:52 |
| schestowitz | https://sanctum.geek.nz/cgit/ | Jun 10 05:52 |
| schestowitz | https://sr.ht/~tejr | Jun 10 05:52 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-sanctum.geek.nz | Tom Ryder (tejr): Code | Jun 10 05:52 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-sr.ht | ~tejr | Jun 10 05:52 | |
| schestowitz | "\ | Jun 10 05:52 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vriB2pRBBpYe6oRBQ | Jun 10 05:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:53 |
| schestowitz | The title used on Pleroma is coming from the description GitHub uses I believe… | Jun 10 05:53 |
| schestowitz | Yes, to clarify, that’s GitHub’s doing and responsibility to fix, not Pleroma’s. | Jun 10 05:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:53 | |
| schestowitz | I’m not trying to criticise anyone for using GitHub. I used it extensively some years ago, too, before gradually realising how much the problems with it bothered me. I think that if you want to contribute to free software generally, network effects mean it’s still not realistic to completely avoid GitHub, but whatever concessions you do make in using it need to be considered carefully. | Jun 10 05:53 |
| schestowitz | Besides, there are plenty of options for publishing and collaborating with Git: | Jun 10 05:53 |
| schestowitz | git-send-email is a little involved, but really worthwhile to learn: https://git-send-email.io/ | Jun 10 05:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-git-send-email.io | Learn to use email with git! | Jun 10 05:53 | |
| schestowitz | cgit is a great repository browser: https://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/about/ | Jun 10 05:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-git.zx2c4.com | cgit - A hyperfast web frontend for git repositories written in C. | Jun 10 05:53 | |
| schestowitz | Sourcehut / sr.ht is @sir ‘s “hacker’s forge”: https://sr.ht/ | Jun 10 05:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-sr.ht | sourcehut hub | Jun 10 05:53 | |
| schestowitz | …to name just a few! | Jun 10 05:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:53 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vripJY4R0c25KtKHg | Jun 10 05:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:53 |
| schestowitz | @tejrnz @Sawmain @schestowitz @sir The biggest problem I see is that maintainers refuse to use other tools that allow people to avoid using GitHub. Everyone using GitHub has an email address, which you need to sign up. Thus, *everyone can* accept contributions over email*, but every single project I've seen demands the use of the GitHub website anyway. | Jun 10 05:53 |
| schestowitz | To fix the issues around GitHub-centralized development, we need to fix the culture of the developers first. | Jun 10 05:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:53 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:53 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vrZoGlQP3KpZVZ4Rk | Jun 10 05:54 |
| schestowitz | "Do you mean the journalists? I don't think that would fly. I remember one person who went to journalism school and was basically insisting that journalism as a whole is dead. I think they are more likely just to move into other venues than work journalism with a job on the side." | Jun 10 05:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vrR9311oamlQShDSS | Jun 10 05:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:54 |
| schestowitz | @schestowitz No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation. | Jun 10 05:54 |
| schestowitz | Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ. | Jun 10 05:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:54 | |
| schestowitz | One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus | Jun 10 05:54 |
| schestowitz | has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you? | Jun 10 05:54 |
| schestowitz | (An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics | Jun 10 05:54 |
| schestowitz | workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications | Jun 10 05:54 |
| schestowitz | without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example. | Jun 10 05:54 |
| schestowitz | Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go | Jun 10 05:54 |
| schestowitz | unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it. | Jun 10 05:54 |
| schestowitz | You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most | Jun 10 05:54 |
| schestowitz | important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument. | Jun 10 05:55 |
| schestowitz | Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, | Jun 10 05:55 |
| schestowitz | 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD? | Jun 10 05:55 |
| schestowitz | If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this: | Jun 10 05:55 |
| schestowitz | Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag. | Jun 10 05:55 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for listening. | Jun 10 05:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:55 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vrKNRkXx2waVpuDTs | Jun 10 05:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:56 | |
| schestowitz | "@tyil @Sawmain @schestowitz @tyil @Sawmain @schestowitz Case in point, actually; look how the preview for the link in this very entry appears in Pleroma. The link description says you can contribute to the kernel development by creating an account. Then you actually try to, and an automated message tells you to go away. Nothing good about that, and the kernel devs can't fix it unless GitHub lets them." | Jun 10 05:56 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vrK4Vgj5IJlE15aXA | Jun 10 05:56 |
| schestowitz | "@Sawmain @schestowitz @tyil (Screwed up my link format, sorry: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12232822)" | Jun 10 05:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:57 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Wow, that is absurd. Did you ever follow up with the employee who sent you a not... | Hacker News | Jun 10 05:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vrCudcG3QqDEpLQps | Jun 10 05:57 |
| schestowitz | "The more general principle here is: GitHub dictates how the repository is presented and what functionality is offered, and the only control you have over that is what they choose to give you. Everyone who think your project lives there—as very many of them will, no matter how hard you try—thereby becomes just as locked-in as you to GitHub's whims. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12232822>" | Jun 10 05:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vrC2bIwQssWQoXhdA | Jun 10 05:57 |
| schestowitz | "@tyil @Sawmain @schestowitz One issue with multiple pushes for publishing and mirror, at least as far as GitHub is concerned, is that GitHub is such a “default” for so many people that they assume that’s where they should send pull requests or post issues, or worse, to link others to it. They don’t read the descriptions telling them it’s just a mirror. Pity the kernel devs: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pulls" | Jun 10 05:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:58 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-github.com | Pull requests · torvalds/linux · GitHub | Jun 10 05:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vr1u5z5zsUhR4Z8Do | Jun 10 05:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:58 |
| schestowitz | wrong | Jun 10 05:58 |
| schestowitz | headlines biased in the first place by left center publications | Jun 10 05:58 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 05:58 | |
| schestowitz | which your reference makes even more blatantly revisionist and just plain untrue about the riots | Jun 10 05:58 |
| schestowitz | you got a doctorate to spend your life doing this? | Jun 10 05:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 05:58 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vrhAVxtGXwklbwwb2 | Jun 10 06:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 06:00 |
| schestowitz | @tejrnz @Sawmain @schestowitz The title used on Pleroma is coming from the description GitHub uses I believe, and they obviously have no reason to fix a bad description that lures people into signing up for GitHub. | Jun 10 06:00 |
| schestowitz | I only mirror repositories on GitHub that I had made on GitHub when I was younger, and the site seemed less of a bad thing to me. I don't have any "popular" repos, so the few people I collaborate with were easily informed on how to use email to send patches. | Jun 10 06:00 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 06:00 | |
| schestowitz | These days I would suggest to avoid GitHub as much as possible, and the images linked in your previous post are some great examples as to why I think GitHub is not a good choice for publishing software. | Jun 10 06:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 06:01 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vrhfCEefbUYYOQBn6 | Jun 10 06:01 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 06:01 | |
| schestowitz | \https://pleroma.site/notice/9vrhfCEefbUYYOQBn6 | Jun 10 06:01 |
| schestowitz | "Sounds good, start funding other services and if that proves to help solve some of the social issues , then tans fer more funds keep the police with limited powers or for specific duties until they are not needed at all the latter may not happen but reduced powers can happen," | Jun 10 06:01 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9vvfcj2eojDa9lLLrk | Jun 10 06:03 |
| schestowitz | " I hate GitHub as much as the next freedom loving individual, but a GitHub account is not a Microsoft account. If you want people to take you seriously, you should start with being honest." | Jun 10 06:03 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jun 10 06:03 | |
| schestowitz | A GitHub account is a Microsoft account | Jun 10 06:03 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | > There has been some delay in getting back to you. This time of year I | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | > have a lot of marking and feedback work for many student exam papers, | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | > essays, dissertations, etc. Also, there has been a setback. It got in | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | > touch with Ingve, the German patent attorney, who does not want to do | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | > the book project with us. When I first approached him some months ago, | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | > which was before the decision of the Constitutional Court of Germany on | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | > the UPC, he agreed to participate but now he says that he does not like | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | > the new lineup of authors because he does not see you and Benjamin as | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | > objective commentators. This is a fake excuse as I asked him what the | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | > lineup should be and he didn't reply. | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | I expect him to say something to that effect, even if you to pretend that he -- unlike us -- is "objective commentator..." | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | There's history to that... | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | It has a lot to do with how the UPC lobby operates. | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | So he wants us to drive traffic to his work, without us coming across as connected in any way. | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | > First, I don't want you to take | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | > this personally but try to be sympathetic and see other issues. This guy | Jun 10 06:20 |
| schestowitz | > is an exceptional case, as he is a patent attorney and when you are | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > making a living from such a job it is difficult to criticise the UPC. He | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > was working for Simmons and Simmons and he is no longer there. | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | I thought Bird and Bird? | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > It is | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > possible he had a hard time if you think that one of the daddies of the | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > UPC, Kevin Mooney, from that intern/nal law firm, was not happy with | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > him. So, Ingve may have paid a heavy price and is no longer in the same | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > fighting form. That is why I am saying, please be sympathetic with him. | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | I know his position. I am not offended by it. When he contacts me he does so anonymously with sockpuppet account, afaik. | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > The practical issue is that Ingve has already written a lot on the UPC | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > and I was planning that he and I could use our existing published work | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > as the basis for a new book. Without Ingve, there is a lot of writing | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > that has to be made and I am not sure how much you want to/can write. | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | As long as I can publish same/similar work elsewhere (i.e. in Techrights), I'm OK spending lots of time on it. Things are static enough wrt to UPC at the moment. | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > I am not planning something similar to my publications, because academic | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > writing is technical and a bit conservative, in terms of not criticising | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > much and directly what is going on. Although some parts of the book | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > project I have in mind should be technical and specialised, the main aim | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > is to produce a book that is accessible to the general public. | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I understand. | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > There are few things that I have in mind. On one hand, the project | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > becomes difficult as Ingve turned us down this time and we have to write | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > more if we have to do it, on the other hand, the project is still | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > manageable as we do not need to use too much technical information and | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > hence, we can write more easily and faster. The approach I have in mind | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > is a story in chronological order of events, since 2003-4 when the EU | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > Commission started pushing for the EU Directive on the patentability of | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > software. In this respect, the books can present a story that we can | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > approach as a journalistic diary that deals with certain themes | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > throughout (e.g. decision-making, impact assessment studies, patent | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > firms propaganda, EPO, judicial decisions at EU level, at national | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > levels, etc.). | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | Benjamin might know the earlier days better. Back then I focused more (still) on USPTO. Ben is a few years older then me. | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > I will send a similar email and explanation to Benjamin because his | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > involvement is vital. Benjamin and the NGO he represents, have done an | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > amazing activist work and most of the materials we need can easily | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > derive by interviewing him around certain themes in chronological order. | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > We can do much more than this but there is already so much material. | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > Have a thought over all these things and I will write again once I have | Jun 10 06:21 |
| schestowitz | > more from him. | Jun 10 06:22 |
| schestowitz | This makes sense. Don't take too harshly the response from the solicitor; he has long been this evasive and came across as patronising (towards Ben also). | Jun 10 06:22 |
| schestowitz | https://placeholderapi.wordpress.com/2020/06/09/abusers-hope-to-cage-and-shackle-people-who-speak-about-their-abuse/#comment-16641 | Jun 10 06:23 |
| schestowitz | "Interesting read, thanks. I was asked to log in again to comment on the page by wordpress org…although already signed in. I didn’t." | Jun 10 06:23 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-placeholderapi.wordpress.com | Abusers hope to cage and shackle people who speak about their abuse… | Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) | Jun 10 06:23 | |
| schestowitz | wordpress dot com or org? | Jun 10 06:23 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Prakash66542/status/1270578527864315905 | Jun 10 07:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Prakash66542: #Chairman of the #Board of #RedHat explains he was introduced to #GNU / #Linux when it helped his #regimechange in… https://t.co/5IZR01xD3z | Jun 10 07:51 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Prakash66542: #Chairman of the #Board of #RedHat explains he was introduced to #GNU / #Linux when it helped his #regimechange in… https://t.co/5IZR01xD3z | Jun 10 07:51 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 07:51 |
| schestowitz | #Chairman of the #Board of #RedHat explains he was introduced to #GNU / #Linux when it helped his #regimechange in #Haiti http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/regime-change-in-haiti/ | Jun 10 07:51 |
| schestowitz | #OpenSource | Jun 10 07:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 10 07:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Chairman of the Board of Red Hat Explains He Was Introduced to GNU/Linux When It Helped His Regime Change in Haiti | Techrights | Jun 10 07:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rajanitjja/status/1270498329441509376 | Jun 10 07:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@rajanitjja: @heard_before @ZDNet ...especially @ZDNet https://t.co/WJ36uGeGqM | Jun 10 07:51 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2020/05/20/buying-zdnet/ ) | Jun 10 07:51 | |
| schestowitz | [06:05] <xxxxxxxxxx> This article of yours: http://techrights.org/category/news-roundup/page/14/?storiesNews says Bill Gates left Microsoft. https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/14/03/2020/5e6c005b9a7947e2bcb5bf0d says he stays as CEO's adviser. | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [06:06] <xxxxxxxxxx> Also, my Google search for https://techrights.org "bill gates" ceo adviser says some search results may have been deleted in compliance with local laws. | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [06:32] <schestowitz> does that not say so for each search, e.g. in france/europe? | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [06:34] <xxxxxxxxxx> no? I think not | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [06:34] <xxxxxxxxxx> I haven't been using it often lately though, and Russia is more censorship happy in recent yeas. | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [06:34] <xxxxxxxxxx> *rs | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [06:35] <xxxxxxxxxx> I take it somebody told RMS about your findings (which I haven't read yet) | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [06:38] <schestowitz> I speak to RMS | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [06:46] <xxxxxxxxxx> (though Google actually found something not at Techrights) | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:17] <xxxxxxxxxx> At the link mentioned at the same page I started with today http://techrights.org/2020/03/14/bill-gates-leaves-microsoft/ → https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/1251834/Google-Android-app-warning-four-threats-smartphone-malware-fleeware , there is a link to | Jun 10 08:29 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | News Roundup | Techrights - Part 14 | Jun 10 08:29 | |
| schestowitz | [07:17] <xxxxxxxxxx> https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/1248287/Android-malware-Microsoft-Defender-antivirus-app-release under the article, lauding Windows Defender | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:18] <xxxxxxxxxx> it's older than the article though | Jun 10 08:29 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.rbc.ru | Билл Гейтс покинул совет директоров Microsoft :: Технологии и медиа :: РБК | Jun 10 08:29 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org ) | Jun 10 08:29 | |
| schestowitz | [07:18] <xxxxxxxxxx> by Joseph Carey | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:18] <xxxxxxxxxx> https://www.express.co.uk/search?s=Joseph%20Carey&b=1 ! | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:19] <schestowitz> excpress is trash | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:19] <schestowitz> it's a nasty tabloid | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:19] <schestowitz> but they cover a lot of Android for some reasons (I've noticed) | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:26] <xxxxxxxxxx> That page on journalist ratings would probably be useful when choosing sources for Wikipedia. Reading everything at techrights is too much. What to do if almost everyone, including ru.wikinews and opennet.ru have copied the libelous news on RMS? | Jun 10 08:29 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Links 14/3/2020: Best GNU/Linux Laptops, Wine 5.4 Release, GNU Mailutils Reaches 3.9 and LLVM 10.0 RC4; Bill Gates Leaves Microsoft | Techrights | Jun 10 08:29 | |
| schestowitz | [07:27] <xxxxxxxxxx> and when writing on ESR-from-OSI, I cited lunduke | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:28] <xxxxxxxxxx> (relevant: the petition for RMS at change.org includes not buying what is advertised at such news sites. Ambiguous and so ridiculous!) | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:37] <schestowitz> Wikipedia has its issues | Jun 10 08:29 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.express.co.uk | Android WARNING: The four biggest threats to your phone revealed | Express.co.uk | Jun 10 08:29 | |
| schestowitz | [07:37] <schestowitz> it judges authority based on moneyed interests and is swayed by PR "teams" that control/police it | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:38] <schestowitz> wikipedia is a waste of time for particular thing | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:38] <xxxxxxxxxx> I mean I added the link when editing Wikipedia. | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:39] <xxxxxxxxxx> It was simply one of the first sources I found on a forum. | Jun 10 08:29 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.express.co.uk | Android malware is running rampant but Microsoft could have the perfect solution | Express.co.uk | Jun 10 08:29 | |
| schestowitz | [07:40] <xxxxxxxxxx> But you already have mentions of the bads particular journalists supposedly do, however they are probably hard to classify for somebody else. | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:42] <xxxxxxxxxx> I hope the links that you post to bad things have nofollow | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:42] <xxxxxxxxxx> (as if that mattered if your site is not very popular) | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:44] <schestowitz> we try not to link to bad things | Jun 10 08:29 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.express.co.uk | Search For ‘Joseph Carey’ | Page 1 | Express.co.uk | Jun 10 08:29 | |
| schestowitz | [07:44] <xxxxxxxxxx> But if I add a link to the list of libel to Wikipedia, … | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:44] <schestowitz> but to allude to them vaguely instead, e.g. wsl trash | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:45] <xxxxxxxxxx> well, maybe that would have been original research, quickly deleted | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:45] <schestowitz> Wikipedia can be a waste of time for most things | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:45] <xxxxxxxxxx> Wikipedia is very popular with search engines. | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:45] <schestowitz> I'm not on it and I prefer it that way | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:45] <schestowitz> yes, it is, but not many people use the refs there | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:45] <schestowitz> they just read the text | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:46] <schestowitz> their refs are not even clickable | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:46] <xxxxxxxxxx> But the links make the cited sites more popular. | Jun 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [07:46] <xxxxxxxxxx> nofollow doesn't work everywhere, although at Google it does | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:46] <xxxxxxxxxx> not sure about Yandex | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:47] <schestowitz> I assume it's pointless | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:47] <schestowitz> we stopped using nofollow 2 years ago | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:47] <xxxxxxxxxx> Wikipedia says in 2010 Yandex stopped following the link, but since 2016 they may be used for ordering. | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:47] <xxxxxxxxxx> s/since/as of/ | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:48] <xxxxxxxxxx> based on someone's experiment: https://alexeytrudov.com/web-marketing/seo/atribut-ssyilki-rel-nofollow.html | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:51] <xxxxxxxxxx> (the experiment used the anchors and the anchor in question showed weight in some way or something) | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:51] <xxxxxxxxxx> So it's unclear what is going on there. | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:52] <xxxxxxxxxx> Yandex is the top search engine in Russia and the default one in Russian Firefox. | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:53] <schestowitz> we get most traffic from RSS | Jun 10 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-alexeytrudov.com | Атрибут ссылки rel nofollow: всегда ли он работает? | Jun 10 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | [07:53] <schestowitz> not search engines | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:53] <schestowitz> many people forgot rss exists or don't know what it is | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:53] <schestowitz> but we have techs reading the site | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:53] <schestowitz> anyway, about archiving | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:53] <schestowitz> you can help with it, if you want us to have it | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:54] <schestowitz> I am going for coffee now, bbl | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:54] <xxxxxxxxxx> I can only agree fully when I know fully what I'll have to do. | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [07:59] <xxxxxxxxxx> I guess the most relevant Wikipedia readers do follow the refs sometimes. | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [08:06] <xxxxxxxxxx> The main page of http://techrights.org/ doesn't emphasize the most recent stuff. Most links are to stuff from 2011 or 2013. | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [08:07] <schestowitz> yes, I am aware and I'm OK with it for now. The regular readers don't have that page bookmarked, this one is for newcomers. | Jun 10 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Techrights | People's rights in the digital age | Plutocracy threatened by freedom, democracy, privacy & civil rights | Jun 10 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | [08:12] <xxxxxxxxxx> So, when somebody was surprised that ZDNet(?) promoted Ubuntu, I told them to read about Canonical at Techrights. Will they be able to find that? | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [08:16] <schestowitz> give the link | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [08:16] <schestowitz> they'd find it no harder than if you said "read about x at computerworld" | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [08:16] <schestowitz> wiki pages help organise/group by topics | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [08:18] <xxxxxxxxxx> http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Canonical is old | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [08:19] <xxxxxxxxxx> But I already just posted the link to http://techrights.org/2020/06/03/canonical-is-done/ and mentioned that there are other links in it. | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [08:20] <xxxxxxxxxx> ok, a bad choice, just a comic | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [08:21] <xxxxxxxxxx> replaced | Jun 10 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Canonical - Techrights | Jun 10 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | [08:22] <schestowitz> we started adding labels to comics | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [08:22] <schestowitz> someone suggested it, to help distinguish from 'proper' posts | Jun 10 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [08:23] <schestowitz> you would be best off linking to http://techrights.org/category/ubuntu | Jun 10 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | In 2020 Canonical No Longer Fights for Freedom | Techrights | Jun 10 08:30 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Ubuntu | Techrights | Jun 10 08:30 | |
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| schestowitz | x https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/study-finds-open-source-vulnerabilities-doubled-in-2019-a-14407 | Jun 10 11:24 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.bankinfosecurity.com | Study Finds Open Source Vulnerabilities Doubled in 2019 | Jun 10 11:24 | |
| schestowitz | # another fake security firm | Jun 10 11:24 |
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