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    Fedora 39 waves goodbye to modularity, but has enough spins to make your head spin
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    Nearly a year before the first Ubuntu release, the first edition of Red Hat's new free Linux distro, Fedora Core 1, appeared on November 6, 2003. There were a few delays to the release of Fedora 39, but it came out this week and The Reg FOSS desk has taken several spins for a quick test drive.

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    • [08:29] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theregister.com | Fedora 39 released with a farewell to modularity The Register ● Nov 10 [09:52] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Nov 10 [11:36] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@u8ftxtfux23wk.irc) has joined #techbytes [11:50] *Disconnected (Input/output error). [11:51] *Now talking on #techbytes [11:51] *Disconnected (Connection timed out). [11:52] *Now talking on #techbytes ● Nov 10 [12:06] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Nov 10 [15:51] schestowitz downhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2023/11/should-you-need-at-least-4-year.html?showComment=1699520516778#c3877741945694307192 [15:51] schestowitz "I agree with the formulation of "some lip service".

    Unfortunately, from the Microsoft's Surveillance Arm LinkedIn discussion last month on the same topic, I got the impression that there is too little constructive thinking. E.g., if considering "alternative ways of proofing technical knowledge" - what would be a workable proposal? The EQE admission works on a paper proof basis, thus, what may be conside [15:51] schestowitz red as a suitable paper proof?

    Also, it should be more clear on what group of people is being talked about instead of making generic "bla bla bla" statements about being confident that a large part of the EPC member states is affected and then going on to state that nobody can force them to provide evidence for their claims.

    Another example: instead of writing that by changing the rules, some people may f [15:51] schestowitz eel retroactively offended, write that is of the utmost importance to uphold qualifications acquired under the at the qualification time relevant rules, and that changed rules shall only apply to the future from a to-be-determined and to-be-published date onwards." ● Nov 10 [16:06] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2023/11/should-you-need-at-least-4-year.html?showComment=1699545322229#c1353261141698108372 [16:06] schestowitz Yes, we definitely can do better to increase diversity within our profession.
    The Sutton Trust data is interesting, but it's old (2004) and relates to solicitors, barristers and judges. IPREG did its own diversity survey of over 1,100 registered patent monopoly and trade mark attorneys in 2021 (https://ipreg.org.uk/about-us/equality-diversity-and-inclusion/ipreg-diversity-survey-2021). This included over 900 patent monopoly attor [16:06] schestowitz neys.
    Of those surveyed, 65% attended UK states schools and 24% attended UK independent schools (about 40% of those with a bursary). That's a much higher proportion from independent schools than in UK universities (<10%), but it does show that the vast majority of UK patent monopoly and trade mark attorneys are state school educated.
    Interestingly, about 10% were eligible for free school meals while at school (an indicator [16:06] schestowitz of a low income household) and 45% were in the first generation of their family to go to university.
    The training and qualification process for patent monopoly attorneys in the UK allows graduates to train "on the job" while earning a reasonable salary, which is different to many other legal professions that require periods of unpaid work or additional study. My own experience, those of colleagues and friends, and the I [16:06] schestowitz PREG data show that this profession enables real social mobility and I am proud of that. I know many senior partners whose origins are relatively humble (even if they don't seem like it now).
    It's important that we make these kinds of opportunities available to as many people who have the abilities to capitalise on them as possible. An increase in the required academic level for the EQE is a step in the wrong direction.
    I'm [16:06] schestowitz not saying the profession is a beacon of diversity. There is much more that can be done. But we're also not an elite closed shop either.
    In answer to your specific question, CIPA data suggests that very few enter the profession having done the QM IP MSc. [16:06] schestowitz Whilst it may be a societal problem, that doesnt mean we cant improve from within.

    Any concrete ideas? Especially how to do it at a cross-national level?

    Just to give you an idea: the number/percentage of women in a technology or science study course is very, very different between the different geographic directions withing Europe. Thus, also alerting women on the job profile of a patent monopoly attorney [16:06] schestowitz may be very different. And there are very committed people working on it at various national levels. The epi might foster their exchange, and also with people who are interested in starting similar initiatives in their own country, in case there seems to be a need.
    Or would you want to go further and try to centralize outreach programs? [16:06] schestowitz I'm an inventor/patent attorney and I wouldn't trust Hey Hi (AI) to do my patent monopoly work. As an inventor, I want my attorney to look out for my commercial interest and tailor advice based on my needs in obtaining a patent. No chance I will rely on an Hey Hi (AI) software which will be used by many other firms/inventors/people. I see the need for higher education as the attorney must have a lot of scientific knowledge to interact [16:06] schestowitz with inventors. However, a 3-4 year undergraduate course should be sufficient. Off course, the higher the qualification and scientific experience, the better. [16:06] schestowitz Pay and benefits should increase if further qualifications are required. With respect to AI, I don't think this will change the patent monopoly attorney's role much. Drafting is still a key skill that needs a human. No amount of Hey Hi (AI) can write a commercially valuable set of claims for a client. It needs discussions with client which cannot replicated with AI. Same for prosecution, opposition and FTO work. The only thing Hey Hi (A [16:06] schestowitz I) is likely to affect is the routine tasks which are mostly formalities tasks such as processing posts, deadlines etc... [16:06] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Should you need at least a 4-year scientific degree to be a patent attorney? - The IPKat [16:06] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipreg.org.uk | IPReg Diversity Survey 2021 | The Intellectual Property Regulation Board ● Nov 10 [17:54] *alphastate has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [17:56] *alphastate (~alphastat@freenode-2ue.6ih.pu7h8v.IP) has joined #techbytes ● Nov 10 [19:07] *jacobk (~quassel@99ed6ukzxymmc.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Nov 10 [20:51] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Nov 10 [22:06] *psydroid3 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/)