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| schestowitz__ | > you realise of course, that nobody wants to support any project that | Sep 11 04:09 |
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| schestowitz__ | > stabbed free software in the back, right? | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > i mean its sad that jxself supports guix, that just makes him useless to | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > me. ill never support guix-- tom wont either. | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > ill never support any of these people. if they literally killed | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > themselves, thatd be cool. id applaud. | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > ill never support sfc, bradley kuhn, GNOME-- i mean fuck gnome, ive | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > hated it for AGES. bunch of nasty little cunts. | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > but i mean, guile? guix? these projects have done so much harm from | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > within, theyre going to be looked at like traitors. | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > the people theyll sell out to dont care about them. companies like ibm | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > acquire things like red hat and never care about them again. all the | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > want is the fucking patents-- the project itself can die for all they care. | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > the reality of free software is it is the traitors, not the betrayed, | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > who have split free software down the middle. | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > and a lot of it is denial-- because they didnt just decide one day to | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > work against us rather than for us-- they abandoned us long ago, making | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > free software look like MORE of a fight for our freedom than it was. NOW | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > we know the truth-- its FULL of backstabbers and FAKES. | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > does this mean free software is fake? i dont think it is. but a lot of | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > it is. and all this time, free software has allowed these traitors to | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > bolster the image of free software-- rather than the truth. | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > theres no official way to drum these people out. people will turn their | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > backs on them-- ill always think of guix and guile as toxic SHIT, the | Sep 11 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | > same way i think of osi. | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > they say they care about freedom, but i dont care what they say. i | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > always say, if theyll stab rms in the back like that, theyll do the same | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > to us. | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > theyre not activists. theyre LIARS. theyre SCUM. | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > you may say "well, if you get to know them" | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > i dont want to know any people like that. | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > so understand, that this is going to hurt free software support-- big | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > time. you cant reason with the people walking away, because they already | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > have a good reason to do so-- they were shit on. they were lied to. they | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > were manipulated. | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > thats not activism! you cant ask people to put up with endless abuse and | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > endless bullshit. | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > if things are that bad, things need to be fixed. | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > not swept under the rug. not glossed over. no more dicking around. | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > the fsf is worthless with regards to this, because radical BULLSHIT has | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > taken over, and theyll just go on like they very conservatively hit an | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > iceberg. | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > "alright guys, so we are sinking now, what can we do?" | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > "whats out budget like?" | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > "can we recommend stilts?" | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > "do any of our members have gills?" | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > "WAIT! we can just get NEW members, right?" | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > "oh, yes. very good! so are we agreed?" | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | > nobody wants an fsf that stabs people in the back and bullshits them all | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > the time. | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > the way the fsf handled this was suicidal. i dont care about knauth, i | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > dont care what he says-- i dont care whose side he says hes on. its | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > MEANINGLESS. | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > the fsf is going to keep playing it safe until everyone who actually | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > cares has left, then theyll go on masturbating whoever stays. | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > but if i wasnt clear enough already, i dont care about the fsf anymore. | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > the only thing i care about with regards to any of this is FREE SOFTWARE. | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > i care about the FREE SOFTWARE movement. | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > i dont consider any of the promises (/lies) from the fsf meaningful. | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > outside of promises, what can be done for the MOVEMENT? | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > what can be done for the people who were betrayed? because there are | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > thousands of them. | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > however, if its a numbers game-- theres no problem. we can very | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > conservatively sit around with our thumbs in our buttholes and just wait | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > for fundraising to recover. | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > thats all that really matters anyway. not the movement, just the damned | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > fundraising. | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > anyway, this email has no point, because none of it is going to change. | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > next year, on the second anniversary of the guix team being a bunch of | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > worthless cunts, we can invent another sorry excuse to do nothing. | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > but thats not to discount the LOADS of work that goes into maintaining | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > the absolutely bullshit status quo-- | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > i mean, i know people work VERY, VERY, *VERY *hard for nothing to | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > actually improve. | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > i dont want to discount any of that work-- only assess the results, | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > which are none at all. | Sep 11 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > nothing has actually gotten better, really. BUT THINGS ARE LOOKING UP! | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > id be lying if i said any kind of answer was going to make me happy. i | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > mean, the only thing thats going to make me happy is walking away from | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > this ridiculous bullshit for good. | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > however, i still have one machine running gnu/linux. | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > the rest of them are clean. oh im in favour of what hyperbola is doing | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > anyway, i mean adding gnu to bsd is a fine idea. the only reason i dont | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > think its a fine idea to add gnu to REACTOS is that there are next to | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > zero free drivers for windows. its not that bad with bsd. | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > but this isnt just because of the software, its because of politics. | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > every project is going to "stay the course" while you people KNOW these | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > projects are loaded to the brim with assholes and scumbags? | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > "but theyre not all assholes" | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > no, so youll just keep subjecting the GOOD developers to corruption and | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > endless assholery? | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > what kind of movement is that? | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > theres no easy answers. but what irks me is that nobody even TALKS about | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > this shit. | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > except roy and dt-- mostly roy. | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > everybody else is just "business as usual." | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > id just go ahead and format the fucking (gnu/linux) thing, but im still | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > doing research on it. | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > seriously, if free software isnt just about software, if its also about | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > politics-- i dont think people want free software thats run by traitors | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > and backstabbers and cunts. | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > maybe thats just me. five years from now, i doubt it will be improved at | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > all. if i need something close to proof, i can simply look at the past 5 | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > (or 6) years for it. | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > nope, free software doesnt look great in 2025 either. because its a | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > bunch of traitors and status-quo-people. | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > its not a movement anymore. movements fight, they dont-- um, whats the word? | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > pretend everything is alright and keep their thumbs in their asses, and | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > focus on fundraising. thats not what activism does, thats just want | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > corporations do. | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > so dont worry, xxxxxxxx, only the free software MOVEMENT will die. | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > the free software CORPORATION will be just fine. | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > who even cares about the difference, REALLY? | Sep 11 04:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: interesting video, PLUS... | Sep 11 04:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > watching a talk given by colin percival (an important freebsd security | Sep 11 04:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > guy) called "23 years of side channel attacks" and around *28* minutes | Sep 11 04:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > in, he talks about how people started telling him (this based on claims | Sep 11 04:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > that things were accomplished but never published) that his work on | Sep 11 04:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > reducing side channel/timing vulnerability wasnt really necessary, but | Sep 11 04:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > he kept on so they tried to get him fired from yahoo. | Sep 11 04:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 11 04:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > he didnt work at yahoo, so that didnt do anything. i guess this was | Sep 11 04:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > circa 2005? video is 1 hour long, but not if you skip all of it except | Sep 11 04:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > the 5 minutes around the 28-minute-mark. thats the part i thought made | Sep 11 04:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > it interesting enough to email about. | Sep 11 04:16 |
| schestowitz__ | If you give a link and time range, we'll make a local copy of that. We have software for it. | Sep 11 04:17 |
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