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schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z3Y3AjlOErdv6KUF6Sep 12 01:11
schestowitz__" uh, that is cool"Sep 12 01:11
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-mstdn.social | 🎲 💭: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site uh, that is cool" - Mastodon 🐘Sep 12 01:12
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z3XoYEZkLaUS0lmqWSep 12 01:12
schestowitz__"MS-DDOS?"Sep 12 01:12
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-mastodon.social | Ryan Alcaraz: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site MS-DDOS?" - MastodonSep 12 01:12
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z3XEH5G28okpq75aCSep 12 01:12
schestowitz__" The Linux Foundation exists really to support Linux-adjacent business interests. That seems like it probably logically entails fraud and crookedness."Sep 12 01:12
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-fsmi.social | PleromaSep 12 01:12
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z3CbfOPimuvqpO1S4Sep 12 01:13
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-linuxrocks.online | NixiИ: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site matters not how many us…" - LinuxRocks.OnlineSep 12 01:13
schestowitz__" matters not how many use a tool (unless it requires scaling like jitsi). if the implementation helps simplify or extend benefits, write it."Sep 12 01:13
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z3CO7Zi8yqBCcDBRISep 12 01:13
schestowitz__"not ion"Sep 12 01:13
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-linuxrocks.online | NixiИ: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site not ion" - LinuxRocks.OnlineSep 12 01:13
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z24IxV1966TmLaAUaSep 12 01:13
schestowitz__"covid19 is conspiracy"Sep 12 01:13
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-mastodon.xyz | ␖␛␡: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site covid19 is conspiracy" - MastodonSep 12 01:13
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z1v31wHyIWnKOfUhcSep 12 01:13
schestowitz__"Do you have a source?"Sep 12 01:14
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-social.tchncs.de | nurinoas: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site Do you have a source?" - MastodonSep 12 01:14
schestowitz__The 'official' trackersSep 12 01:14
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z1ukAtMSeaRanJ9LESep 12 01:14
schestowitz__"It even follows the tradition of recursive acronyms: Systemd Yanks Services To Embed Most Daemons."Sep 12 01:14
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-m.g3l.org | mmu_man : "@schestowitz@pleroma.site It even follows the tra…" - Mastodon G3LSep 12 01:14
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z1m9nQjPmVIlj3ihESep 12 01:14
schestowitz__" who did you offend? Wait, actually, who didn't you offend 😄"Sep 12 01:14
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-m.g3l.org | mmu_man : "@schestowitz@pleroma.site who did you offend? Wai…" - Mastodon G3LSep 12 01:14
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z1jqegpUH0kFbKl84Sep 12 01:15
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-noagendasocial.com | MC Read: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site you should stick to te…" - No Agenda SocialSep 12 01:15
schestowitz__" you should stick to tech news dude . You're unbelievably misinformed about everything else .   Bye"Sep 12 01:15
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z1aBA7FM9yNy0pWSGSep 12 01:15
schestowitz__"Sep 12 01:15
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-shitposter.club | PleromaSep 12 01:15
schestowitz__ this seems a proportional response imhoSep 12 01:15
schestowitz__burning buildings and riots and whatnot go too far but flag burning?Sep 12 01:15
schestowitz__I don't see a problem with thisSep 12 01:15
schestowitz__"Sep 12 01:15
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z1WJGs5ivZdQ2LuRUSep 12 01:15
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-linuxrocks.online | NixiИ: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site how does this apply to …" - LinuxRocks.OnlineSep 12 01:15
schestowitz__" how does this apply to facial recog used to unlock phones?"Sep 12 01:15
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z1UzszkAjRxuX7loGSep 12 01:16
schestowitz__"Sep 12 01:16
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-shitposter.club | PleromaSep 12 01:16
schestowitz__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIbaz3y3GJ0  I made a recording back in 2011, and it's taken awhile to have a place to put it online.  But now the whole world can hear this case.Sep 12 01:16
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | Crookes et al. v. Newton 2011 SCC 47 - YouTubeSep 12 01:16
schestowitz__This is what I tried to send earlier to @schestowitzSep 12 01:16
schestowitz__#canada #crookesvnewton #canadianlaw #www #digitalrights #hyperlinks #p2p #piratepartySep 12 01:16
schestowitz__"Sep 12 01:16
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z1FTFwGLd4UCXTko4Sep 12 01:16
schestowitz__"Sep 12 01:16
schestowitz__forget this dude.Sep 12 01:16
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-todon.nl | Kete: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site @redstarfish@social.lin…" - Todon.nlSep 12 01:16
schestowitz__- "don't take Google's money" – I think it's ok to take Google's money as long as they don't influence the FSFE.Sep 12 01:16
schestowitz__- "funding diversity is a joke, doesn't fund the Linux kernel" – this is one of the few things that the Linux Foundation could possibly be doing rightSep 12 01:16
schestowitz__- "RMS deserves the FSF award" – like this guy deserves anythingSep 12 01:16
schestowitz__"Sep 12 01:16
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z1EBN6Gsp5jFH4JG5Sep 12 01:16
schestowitz__"Ranked Choice voting, or "Borda Count" tabulation, would give third parties a fighting chance in this country."Sep 12 01:16
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-social.masto.host | Eric Shields - ⓂassTransitKrow: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site Ranked Choice voting, o…" - MastodonSep 12 01:16
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z196ITCAh4bfMYHLsSep 12 01:17
schestowitz__firefox is the only standards-setting browser that is freesw. time to abandon www while firefox still has clout.""Sep 12 01:17
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-linuxrocks.online | NixiИ: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site firefox is the only sta…" - LinuxRocks.OnlineSep 12 01:17
schestowitz__https://pleroma.site/notice/9z05h5s7NarWKlXXRASep 12 01:17
schestowitz__"what's wrong with NBD? 😄"Sep 12 01:17
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-m.g3l.org | mmu_man : "@schestowitz@pleroma.site what's wrong with NBD? 😄" - Mastodon G3LSep 12 01:17
schestowitz__>> If you give a link and time range, we'll make a local copy of that. We have software for it.Sep 12 01:34
schestowitz__> will do.Sep 12 01:34
schestowitz__>Sep 12 01:34
schestowitz__> incidentally, ive decided that this will most likely be the last year i run the linux kernel. the date that free software turned its back on everybody and bent over for open source is as good as any.Sep 12 01:34
schestowitz__>Sep 12 01:34
schestowitz__> anything requiring a gnu/linux system can be done over the next year. eventually i would like to try hyperbola, i have no problem with gnu/bsd.Sep 12 01:34
schestowitz__>Sep 12 01:34
schestowitz__> its time to put this absolutely rotten thing to bed. "linux" is nothing but a lie and a broken promise. fuck linux, whatever people think it is. fuck tux, for that matter. enough is enough.Sep 12 01:34
schestowitz__>Sep 12 01:34
schestowitz__> its not like tens of thousands are probably going to be right behind. like i said, everybody switching to bsd is about as likely to happen as everybody "turning" homosexual. thats just not how it works. but ive spent too much time supporting linux. it wont free anybody. and it cant.Sep 12 01:34
schestowitz__It is still gplv2.Sep 12 01:34
schestowitz__We need to think carefully what next steps to take, irrespective of FSF.Sep 12 01:35
schestowitz__Thanks for joining this journey... where it all ends I don't know, but it reminds me of Hippie/peace movement getting absorbed by wealth and power. History is a good teacher and I don't know what the solution will be.Sep 12 01:35
schestowitz__> Hi,Sep 12 01:36
schestowitz__>Sep 12 01:36
schestowitz__> I would be happy to give gnu/bsd a serious go.  When it is ready, I would even donate time for documentation.Sep 12 01:36
schestowitz__>Sep 12 01:36
schestowitz__> GhostBSD is already a successful gnu/bsd distritution, based upon FreeBSD - and works exceedingly well, technically.  Unfortunately they have No orientation toward the kind of Free Software platform we envision.Sep 12 01:36
schestowitz__From a philosophical POV I don't think they're on the right path, which is why I am not going to try a BSD any time soon. A mass migration to BSDs would seemingly help Microsoft and Apple in the long run.Sep 12 01:36
schestowitz__> I feel very bad about guix - it had so much promise.  But the peopleSep 12 01:37
schestowitz__> involved make it unacceptable.  So it goes...Sep 12 01:37
schestowitz__Their blog has not been active lately (compared to before).Sep 12 01:37
schestowitz__Wind out of the sails?Sep 12 01:37
MinceRwell, it would surely be nice if a team of experienced and knowledgeable Linux kernel developers appeared out of nowhere to start and maintain a fork of Linux free of corporate parasitesSep 12 01:37
MinceRbut how likely is that to happen?Sep 12 01:37
schestowitz__not likelySep 12 01:41
schestowitz__Google makes its own kernel nowSep 12 01:42
schestowitz__which says a lotSep 12 01:42
schestowitz__MinceR: linux is very bloatedSep 12 01:42
schestowitz__let's say I want a simple boxSep 12 01:42
schestowitz__all it needs to do it monitor a serverSep 12 01:42
schestowitz__do I need a kernel with 10 file systems and support for hundreds of webcam families?Sep 12 01:42
schestowitz__Probably notSep 12 01:43
MinceR:>Sep 12 01:43
MinceRmaybe most drivers don't need much maintenance thoughSep 12 01:43
schestowitz__https://progressivedirection.com/brexit-the-smell-of-racism/Sep 12 01:57
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-progressivedirection.com | Brexit: If it looks like racism, if it smells like racism and if it feels like racism, who else but a politician could argue it isn't?Sep 12 01:57
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schestowitz__ The first 5 minutes or so (before chat responses) are worth cropping, I think (this guy cites Techrights sometimes)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3R94TJ6xU8Sep 12 08:04
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | RE: Are Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds Good for Linux? - YouTubeSep 12 08:04
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schestowitz__>> From a philosophical POV I don't think they're on the right path, which is why I am not going to try a BSD any time soon. A mass migration to BSDs would seemingly help Microsoft and Apple in the long run.Sep 12 08:29
schestowitz__> missing is any kind of real comparison that shows gnu/linux is any better in this regard. the only fsf distro that actually acknowledges any of the serious problems of the past FIVE YEARS is hyperbola. their roadmap says exactly what the other distros dont say, while pointing at the license. "its free! its free!" it fucks the user up the ass with a traffic cone, but thats just a bug, who cares?Sep 12 08:29
schestowitz__>Sep 12 08:29
schestowitz__> so basically some people are just going to wait, and if theyre never free again--Sep 12 08:29
schestowitz__>Sep 12 08:29
schestowitz__> i mean why actually research it? its not like theres an fsf-approved distro going in this-- OH, WAIT, there is. lets use alpine, which isnt fully free and doesnt even have a desktop.Sep 12 08:29
schestowitz__>Sep 12 08:29
schestowitz__> makes no sense. but im repeating myself.Sep 12 08:29
schestowitz__>Sep 12 08:29
schestowitz__> to each his own.Sep 12 08:29
schestowitz__I'm told Alpine does have a desktop if you want itSep 12 08:29
schestowitz__You can also do openbsd with startxSep 12 08:29
schestowitz__>> Wind out of the sails?Sep 12 08:29
schestowitz__> no, just blowing it out of their arse.Sep 12 08:29
schestowitz__>Sep 12 08:29
schestowitz__> if you want to monitor duix (pronounced "dicks") then commits mean more than emails. i think theyre more irc-oriented, check their logs.Sep 12 08:29
schestowitz__>> We need to think carefully what next steps to take, irrespective of FSF.Sep 12 08:33
schestowitz__>Sep 12 08:33
schestowitz__> i strongly agree. though my (subjective) opinion is you could be a little more objective about it.Sep 12 08:33
schestowitz__>Sep 12 08:33
schestowitz__> if we dont agree on the outcome of our research, thats just how it goes. if we dont agree on the process, we should find out why. not that we have to agree on anything-- just that i think there are parts of the process that could be-- like i said, a bit more objective. you state "reasons" but im working on details. if im entirely fair, maybe you hashed it all out in articles 5 years ago. then it just seems dismissive as youveSep 12 08:33
schestowitz__already done the homework. it might be a little out of date though.Sep 12 08:33
schestowitz__>Sep 12 08:33
schestowitz__> i told rms to watch libertybsd a couple years ago. now the only promising fsf-approved distro is interested in it.Sep 12 08:33
schestowitz__>Sep 12 08:33
schestowitz__> i want us to have REAL options. not just pretend linux is going to improve, when the data says "look for options, guys".Sep 12 08:33
schestowitz__>Sep 12 08:33
schestowitz__> i would tell you what i told rms-- watch hyperbola. thats not exactly what i said. its become the more relevant part of what i was saying at the time.Sep 12 08:33
schestowitz__I didn't claim what you said I had claimed. I know Linux has a bunch of issues if not trouble.Sep 12 08:33
schestowitz__Correct me if I am wrong, but bsd-licensed components let a firm like Apple (or Microsoft) make a "better" thing than ours without giving back their improvements, which I think weakens non-monopolies.Sep 12 08:33
schestowitz__The licence does matter to me; it mattered to Groklaw/PJ for similar reasons (I think she used some "mac" crap).Sep 12 08:33
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