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Techrights-secthe IRC logs have beeb quite short of lateDec 12 02:59
schestowitzOne factor is pleroma.site being offline, though it should return online. Number of people in IRC grew.Dec 12 02:59
Techrights-secIs there an ETA for the repair of Pleroma?Dec 12 03:00
schestowitzNo, but I keep asking about that, I'm not from the only userDec 12 03:01
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Techrights-secBy the way, what about DT?  He was off to a good start with the first few episozed but is appearDec 12 03:08
Techrights-secing like he's manipulated or o=therwise falling for the M$ trap.Dec 12 03:08
Techrights-secA lot of people wish to appear reasonable and fear that calling M$ out forDec 12 03:08
Techrights-secbeing as it is will make them look unreasonable.Dec 12 03:08
Techrights-secOnce a friend and I discuessed M$ court cases with a third friend and the third oneDec 12 03:08
Techrights-seckept refusing to believe the events, we had to keep pointing out thatDec 12 03:08
Techrights-secthese were already settled in a court of law and not conjecture or hypotheticalDec 12 03:08
Techrights-secthreats.Dec 12 03:08
Techrights-secHe may also be projecting his own civility onto M$ even if it is an inappropriateDec 12 03:08
Techrights-secprojection and M$ shares none of his values.Dec 12 03:08
Techrights-secof civility or lawfulness.Dec 12 03:08
Techrights-secor ethicsDec 12 03:08
schestowitzI have asked for clarifications (DT's remarks and context). Meanwhile, he's another risk and liability like Lunduke, can defect at any time for lousy reason.Dec 12 03:08
Techrights-secYes, I had taht concern from the beginning, but have been hoping for the best.Dec 12 03:18
Techrights-secAs for the most recent episode, hed did well enough previously that I'll write that one off as aDec 12 03:18
Techrights-sec flub.  However, just that one.Dec 12 03:18
Techrights-secWith Lunduke, he had been working for M$ and there was always the risk of recidivism.Dec 12 03:18
Techrights-secThat risk became realized.Dec 12 03:18
Techrights-secI'm not sure of the point of any of Lunduke's material any more, so I don't often check on him aDec 12 03:18
Techrights-secnd haven't watched a video of his since spring or earlier.Dec 12 03:18
Techrights-secRemember M$ has whole marketing teams with deep pockets and a mandate to never lose even an inchDec 12 03:18
Techrights-sec to "Linux"Dec 12 03:18
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2019/07/06/love-is-not-about-control/Dec 12 03:18
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Azure Running GNU/Linux Isn’t About ‘Love’ But About Control | TechrightsDec 12 03:18
schestowitzhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/maemalynn-nokdhes-meanor-4986364Dec 12 03:24
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 999 @ https://www.linkedin.com/in/maemalynn-nokdhes-meanor-4986364 )Dec 12 03:24
Techrights-secI think Christine Hall made a point about someone loving chicken.Dec 12 03:25
Techrights-sec��  Linked-in is blocked.Dec 12 03:25
Techrights-secDoes that page say anything useful?Dec 12 03:25
schestowitzSeems like newish person at LF: (name in https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press-release/2020/12/edgex-foundry-the-leading-iot-open-source-framework-simplifies-deployment-with-the-latest-hanoi-release-new-use-cases-and-ecosystem-resources/ )Dec 12 03:25
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.linuxfoundation.org | EdgeX Foundry, the Leading IoT Open Source Framework, Simplifies Deployment with the Latest Hanoi Release, New Use Cases and Ecosystem Resources - The Linux FoundationDec 12 03:25
schestowitzSenior Public Relations ManagerDec 12 03:26
Techrights-secOT: has the word "drop" completely reversed meaning? e.g.Dec 12 03:33
Techrights-sechttps://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/taylor-swift-willow-video-evermore-1101640/Dec 12 03:33
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.rollingstone.com | Taylor Swift Drops 'Willow' Video From New Album 'Evermore' - Rolling StoneDec 12 03:33
Techrights-secWTF?  Compare the title with the first paragraph.  They have opposite meanings.Dec 12 03:33
schestowitzThere is only one writer in that site whom I trust (Matt)Dec 12 03:34
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Techrights-secWTF?  Compare the title with the first paragraph.  They have opposite meanings.Dec 12 09:27
Techrights-secI sent a reply by mail, it took a while to write up, thus the delay.Dec 12 09:27
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schestowitz>> I found that taste very unique since I was young, but you don't findDec 12 17:54
schestowitz> that in nature... and it's not cheeseDec 12 17:54
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schestowitz>Dec 12 17:54
schestowitz> Salt + anything sour and cheesy, including a sprinkling of actual wheyDec 12 17:54
schestowitz> and cheddar + MSG.Dec 12 17:54
schestowitz>Dec 12 17:54
schestowitz> The MSG essentially drugs you into tasting it more intensely. That makesDec 12 17:54
schestowitz> it seem much more delicious and "unique." Also you do find MSG inDec 12 17:54
schestowitz> nature, for example in parmesan tomatoes and seaweed, where it isDec 12 17:54
schestowitz> present but not added. But the stuff they add to Cheetos is about asDec 12 17:54
schestowitz> "natural" as mining "naturally occurring" uranium and then processing itDec 12 17:54
schestowitz> into use for energy and war. The amount in parmesan or tomatoes won'tDec 12 17:54
schestowitz> affect most people, even those who are sensitive.Dec 12 17:54
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schestowitzRe: Everything is everythingDec 12 17:55
schestowitz> Greenwashing: https://dontgetanyideas.com/comic/20190913Dec 12 17:55
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-dontgetanyideas.com | 7: Suppression of Wild Ecosystems - Don't Get Any IdeasDec 12 17:55
schestowitz> <https://dontgetanyideas.com/comic/20190913>Dec 12 17:55
schestowitz>Dec 12 17:55
schestowitz> "When a company's corporate headquarters is overgrown with wildflowers,Dec 12 17:55
schestowitz> that's when I'll know the company is serious about being green."Dec 12 17:55
schestowitz>Dec 12 17:55
schestowitz> "One of the evils of humankind [civilisation/colonialism] is theDec 12 17:55
schestowitz> *coercive suppression of wild ecosystems*" <- (like free software, orDec 12 17:55
schestowitz> even free speech) Notice how humanity is always treated as synonymousDec 12 17:55
schestowitz> with civilisation? that's because "civilisation" is a euphemism for "weDec 12 17:55
schestowitz> killed or enslaved anybody who disagrees with us".Dec 12 17:55
schestowitz> I'm afraid Oiaohm may have a real point here. This has always been oneDec 12 18:03
schestowitz> of Stallman's most tenuous positions, one of only two that need to beDec 12 18:03
schestowitz> "fixed" to make OpenBSD compatible with FSF "fully free" guidelines.Dec 12 18:03
schestowitz> (Actually it's the only one; the other is the adoption of copyleft toDec 12 18:03
schestowitz> make it compatible with the GNU Project; the fully free guidelines doDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> not require that.)Dec 12 18:04
schestowitz>Dec 12 18:04
schestowitz> The reason that Stallman isn't "wrong" is because his position is theDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> only way to ultimately make progress on free firmware-- by taking thisDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> step backwards. It's a clear step backwards that may harm security, butDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> most damning is the way that it dances around how "free" the resultDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> actually is.Dec 12 18:04
schestowitz>Dec 12 18:04
schestowitz> Most of the time, the position of Free Software is "this may suck, butDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> at least you're free as in freedom." In this example however, it'sDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> closer to the truth to say "this may suck, but at least it may lead toDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> being more free, even though it really isn't." So a lot of people hearDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> this and say "look, I'm not willing to draw the line here-- it's stupidDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> and hypocritical." I don't think it's stupid, and it certainly LOOKSDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> hypocritical, but IMO we need to establish that even if Stallman isDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> right it's debatable without calling anybody a troll for disagreeingDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> with this one. It really isn't trolling, it's a fair and realistic takeDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> on the situation.Dec 12 18:04
schestowitz>Dec 12 18:04
schestowitz> You could honestly argue that both approaches go nowhere-- only oneDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> promises progress, but it may not be a promise it can even keep.Dec 12 18:04
schestowitz>Dec 12 18:04
schestowitz> oiaohmDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> vZS1:  to be correct most wifi drivers have binary firmware blobs.Dec 12 18:04
schestowitz> This is different to Nvidia binary blob mess.Dec 12 18:04
schestowitz> Dec 12 18:04
schestowitz>Dec 12 18:04
schestowitz> oiaohmDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> Its also annoying how often people claim to be using firmware binaryDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> blob free and realy what they have done is built a system using theDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> firmware blobs on the rom in the cards that is technically out of date.Dec 12 18:04
schestowitz> Dec 12 18:04
schestowitz> MinceRDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> out of date isn't always a bad thingDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> Dec 12 18:04
schestowitz> oiaohmDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> It is when its out of date wifi using known flawed encryption withoutDec 12 18:04
schestowitz> telling the user.Dec 12 18:04
MinceR12 185423 < schestowitz> > The MSG essentially drugs you into tasting it more intensely. That makesDec 12 18:08
MinceRno, MSG has a strong umami tasteDec 12 18:09
MinceRit's a spice, not a drugDec 12 18:09
MinceR12 185429 < schestowitz> > "natural" as mining "naturally occurring" uranium and then processing itDec 12 18:09
MinceRarsenic occurs in nature as wellDec 12 18:09
MinceR> this may suck, but at least you're free as in freedom.Dec 12 18:10
MinceRthere still is plenty of free software that actually works better than the proprietary alternativesDec 12 18:10
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