●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 ●● ● Feb 13 [00:40] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:42] *jacobk (~quassel@6wygwq2t5e2hw.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Feb 13 [01:27] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:33] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@dc77dxzcmjmaq.irc) has joined #techbytes [01:39] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Feb 13 [02:25] *parsifal (~parsifal@uuar9r28yasyu.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Feb 13 [03:29] schestowitz https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1r2bXQhV#replies [03:29] schestowitz " [03:29] schestowitz L1 visa scammers are higher in number. Work in Bangalore and then migrate with a high "title". [03:29] schestowitz 42 minutes ago by Anonymous [03:29] schestowitz | no reactions [03:29] schestowitz Post ID: @1yyh+1r2bXQhV [03:29] schestowitz +1 [03:29] schestowitz All the Microsoft H-1B's and L-1 Visa scammers, the majority with fake a$$ resumes need to be layed off and sent home like yesterday. [03:29] schestowitz 45 minutes ago by Anonymous [03:29] schestowitz | 1 reaction (+1/-0) [03:29] schestowitz Post ID: @1kbx+1r2bXQhV [03:29] schestowitz 0 [03:29] schestowitz Indians too? [03:29] schestowitz " [03:29] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.thelayoff.com | Microsoft #1 for tech layoffs in 2024 - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs ● Feb 13 [06:29] *jacobk (~quassel@skdysgiaygtcc.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Feb 13 [10:07] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:12] schestowitz opp
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    Thunderbird In 2023: The Milestones and The Lessons We Learned
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    The Thunderbird Project enjoyed a fantastic 2023. From my point of view as someone who regularly engages with both the community and our team on a daily basis the past year brought a renewed sense of purpose, sustainability, and excitement to Thunderbird. Lets talk about a few of the awesome milestones Thunderbird achieved, but lets also discuss where we stumbled and what lessons we learn [10:12] schestowitz ed along the way.

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    I wish Go had a retry block
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    I kinda wish that Go had some kind of language-level construct for "an action that is composed of multiple parts that can fail, and when one fails in a non-permanent way, then the program will wait for some time before trying again". This would prevent me from having to write code like this in XeDN using this backoff package that I'm probably going to rewrite:

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    • [10:25] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-xeiaso.net | I wish Go had a retry block - Xe Iaso [10:44] *jacobk (~quassel@32hz32it3ih2k.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Feb 13 [11:25] *schestowitz-TR2 has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [11:25] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [11:25] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@24axkg87jqny6.irc) has joined #techbytes [11:25] *schestowitz-TR2 (~acer-box@freenode-54p.goo.k31cok.IP) has joined #techbytes [11:31] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [11:31] *schestowitz-TR2 has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [11:31] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@24axkg87jqny6.irc) has joined #techbytes [11:31] *schestowitz-TR2 (~acer-box@freenode-54p.goo.k31cok.IP) has joined #techbytes ● Feb 13 [12:13] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@u8ftxtfux23wk.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Feb 13 [14:51] schestowitz "Some of the new seeds obtained by NGT are meant to correspond to seeds obtained in the standard way of selection, simply that the selection is achieved quicker with the help of gene scissors. I would thus assimilate those seeds to seeds obtained in the standard way.

    It is clear that for standard selections of seeds, there is no patent monopoly protection available, cf. R 28(2) EPC and G 3/19.

    Whether [14:51] schestowitz one approves or not G 3/19 is not really relevant. It does however exists and cannot be ignored. I personally do not like G 3/19 as "dynamic interpretations" are too dependent from the zeitgeist.

    The real question to ask is thus why should those seeds obtained by NGT with the help of gene scissors get patent monopoly protection if the aim is simply to do what nature and normal selection can achieve?

    A [14:51] schestowitz s seeds obtained by such NGT are meant to correspond to seeds obtained in the standard way, those seeds should be protected under the UPOV and not by patents.

    That seeds obtained not just by accelerating selection with the help of gene scissors, are open to patent monopoly protection is disturbing to say the least.

    The position of the European Parliament banning patenting of seeds obtained by NGT is thus fully un [14:51] schestowitz derstandable and is to be approved.

    If patenting is maintained, the information of the consumers about the treatment by NGT is a must.

    Furthermore, that in Europe only recognised seeds are allowed is already a scandal on its own.
    No need to add more." [14:51] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2024/02/european-parliament-votes-to-exclude.html?showComment=1707768261195#c7733267662466704886 [14:51] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | European Parliament votes to exclude gene edited plants from patentability - The IPKat [14:52] schestowitz "To say that G 3/19 provides a "remarkable demonstration of legal fudge" is an understatement. This is because that decision was based upon the demonstrably false premise that a "legislative intent" can be demonstrated by a body (the AC) that was not the legislator for the provision in question. Personally, I view G 3/19 as instead providing a remarkable demonstration of the power of political w [14:52] schestowitz ill to override the rule of law.

    Turning to current events, I would not assume that it will necessarily take a long time to change EU legislation to exclude NGT plants from patentability. All that would be required is for the NGT Regulation to pass into law including the patent monopoly ban proposed by the European Parliament. This would then make the AC competent (under Art 33(1)(b) EPC) to bring the EPC "into line [14:52] schestowitz with ... European Community legislation relating to patents". The voting rule of Art 35(3) EPC means that a unanimous vote at the AC would be required to effect that change. However, I would be surprised if any AC delegation would be prepared to vote against alignment of the EPC with EU law. Also, the Regulation will have direct effect in EU Member States, and will likely (eventually) be incorporated into the EEA Agreement. [14:52] schestowitz

    Perhaps a more interesting question is whether the UK will align its national laws with any NGT Plants Regulation that includes a ban on patents for those plants (as well as plants produced by random mutagenesis or cisgenesis). The Genetic Technology (Precision Breeding) Act 2023 means that the UK has chosen to diverge from the EU on the regulatory rules for NGT plants. It would therefore make perfect sense for the UK to a [14:52] schestowitz lso diverge on the patentability rules for such plants. Indeed, even if the EPC were amended to include a patent monopoly ban on NGT plants, there would be no obligation on the UK to introduce such a ban into the Patents Act. This is because neither Section 76(A) nor Schedule A2 is mentioned (in Section 130(7)) as being "framed as to have, as nearly as practicable, the same effects in the United Kingdom as" the corres [14:52] schestowitz ponding provision of the EPC, i.e. Article 53 EPC.

    Another interesting point to watch is whether any ban, if passed into law, has the retroactive effect (against pending applications and granted patents) that the European Parliament has set out in their proposed Recital (45a). I would hope not, as that would contravene Article 1 of Protocol 1 of the ECHR. It would also cause major headaches for the AC, as even the EBA in G [14:52] schestowitz 3/19 was not prepared to accept a retroactive ban." ● Feb 13 [15:50] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Feb 13 [16:02] *jacobk (~quassel@hqipcnw2u5ica.irc) has joined #techbytes [16:35] *parsifal has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Feb 13 [17:23] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:29] *fury999i- is now known as fury999io ● Feb 13 [20:32] *jacobk (~quassel@6wygwq2t5e2hw.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Feb 13 [21:40] *Moocher5254 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:40] *Moocher5254 (~quassel@6i8ckjmvfhgyw.irc) has joined #techbytes [21:51] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Feb 13 [22:07] *Moocher5254 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:07] *Moocher5254 (~quassel@6i8ckjmvfhgyw.irc) has joined #techbytes [22:24] *psydroid2 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/)