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r_schestowitzThis reads like exactly what you'd expect from a conspiracy nut, except it also has almost no actual supposed information in it.Nov 13 05:52
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r_schestowitzSadly. He has a few points, but he completely missed the interview. The interview is actually pretty good. Christian Ude hinted at strange behavior of certain people that suddenly swapped camp. However he obviously did not bring up the word bribery.Nov 13 05:52
r_schestowitzThat being said, what happened there was extremely strange.Nov 13 05:52
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r_schestowitzIs something wrong with my reading comprehension or was that article incredibly hard to follow?Nov 13 05:52
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r_schestowitzIt wasn't you. The author is not very coherent. Reads exactly like a conspiracy site.Nov 13 05:52
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r_schestowitzMost conspiracy theories are incoherent when you take enough facts and evidence into consideration, rather than dismissing them to keep the theory alive. Epstein didn't kill himself.Nov 13 05:53
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r_schestowitzEpstein didn't kill himself.Nov 13 05:53
r_schestowitzIs this even considered a conspiracy theory?Nov 13 05:53
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r_schestowitzabsolutely. official story doesn't support it, people online parrot it without evidence.Nov 13 05:53
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r_schestowitzOfficial story is that he killed himself while on suicide watchNov 13 05:53
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r_schestowitzWell yeah politics and lobbying by megacorps as usual.Nov 13 05:53
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r_schestowitzThen why is gates trying so hard to get the microsoft camels nose into the Linux tent ?.Nov 13 05:53
r_schestowitzhttps://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/aboutNov 13 05:53
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-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-docs.microsoft.com | Learn about the Windows Subsystem for Linux | Microsoft DocsNov 13 05:54
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r_schestowitznow that r/technology is overrun with sjw, social media and climate change posts, the technology related articles are being posted in r/programmingNov 13 05:54
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r_schestowitzThat goddamn climate change conspiracy again! How many times do we have to keep telling you buggers, climate change is real!Nov 13 05:54
r_schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ducy31/former_mayor_of_munich_explains_how_microsoft/?sort=topNov 13 05:54
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16492148#ebf5c630e7bb01371e9f7a163ef10931Nov 13 05:54
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r_schestowitzNice analogy!Nov 13 05:54
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-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Former Mayor of Munich Explains How Microsoft Hates Linux : programmingNov 13 05:54
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Your VeggieBurger now supports Ham https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LinuxBoot-Can-Boot-Windows #linux #windows #linuxboot #malware #microsoftNov 13 05:54
r_schestowitztomgrz - about 9 hours agoNov 13 05:54
r_schestowitzYep, your vegetarian meal with a helping of meat on the side.Nov 13 05:54
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r_schestowitzMaybe they should rename the projectNov 13 05:54
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.phoronix.com | LinuxBoot Continues Maturing - Now Able To Boot Windows - PhoronixNov 13 05:54
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16492298#8047aac0e7bb01371ea17a163ef10931Nov 13 05:54
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Bolivia's lithium belongs to the Bolivian people. Not to multinational corporate cabals..." https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/bolivian-coup-comes-less-week-after-morales-stopped-lithium-deal https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/11/bolivian-coup-comes-less-week-after-morales-stopped-multinational-firms-lithium-dealNov 13 05:54
r_schestowitz"This thing has been planned for a while, but I guess the government attempt to take more control of the national resource was an impetus. Coincidence? Unlikely."Nov 13 05:54
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.zerohedge.com | Bolivian Coup Comes Less Than A Week After Morales Stopped Lithium Deal | Zero HedgeNov 13 05:54
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.commondreams.org | Bolivian Coup Comes Less Than a Week After Morales Stopped Multinational Firm's Lithium Deal | Common Dreams NewsNov 13 05:54
r_schestowitzhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21497372Nov 13 05:58
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Former Mayor of Munich Explains How Microsoft Undermined Linux | Hacker NewsNov 13 05:58
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r_schestowitz> “The decision to convert (14.000 PC clients) back to Microsoft from Limux [some time] until 2020 was a purely political one. Christian Ude: “There wasn’t a single unsolvable technical problem.”Nov 13 05:58
r_schestowitzI have worked on the Limux team during university. There were a couple of problems that led to resentments:Nov 13 05:58
r_schestowitz- fossilized, underpowered computers (1G RAM!) combined with fossilized software versions (Firefox/Thunderbird/Openoffice) thanks to testing/conformity requirements. This was what drove the majority of customer complaints.Nov 13 05:58
r_schestowitz- underpowered Internet uplinks of the dozens of government offices - you would think each had a gigabit fiber uplink, which is far from realityNov 13 05:58
r_schestowitz- lack of manpower in the dev department, mostly caused by abysmal pay compared to the free marketNov 13 05:58
r_schestowitz- special IT software was mostly Windows-only or, if it was available for Linux, compiled for rpm-based distros while Limux was Ubuntu-based leading to all sorts of issuesNov 13 05:58
r_schestowitz- city staff being used to MS and not to Linux, requiring extensive trainingNov 13 05:58
r_schestowitz- infighting among departments of the city, not everyone was a friend of centralization in ITNov 13 05:58
r_schestowitzTechnically all of this would be solvable but the budget was too low. People, especially key deciders, blamed it on "Linux" instead on their failure to provide adequate resources. The colleagues were the best people I have had the pleasure to learn from and work with, even to this day, but the best work is moot against idiots or bought-off morons in politicsNov 13 05:58
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r_schestowitz> - lack of manpower in the dev department, mostly caused by abysmal pay compared to the free marketNov 13 05:58
r_schestowitzAbso-fucking-lutely. IMO this is the main factor why most government IT in Germany is in such a disastrous state. Not just abysmal pay, but also coupled with:Nov 13 05:58
r_schestowitza) Limited-term contracts (usually 2 years)Nov 13 05:58
r_schestowitzb) Ludicrous academic requirements: You only get pay grade E13 (which is ~40k€/year) with a Diplom or a Master's Degree, so there's no way to hire motivated talent that the rest of the market is more likely to ignoreNov 13 05:58
r_schestowitzc) In the case of Limux, Munich has one of the highest costs of living in all of Germany. You earn the same amount of money for a position, no matter if you live in Munich or somewhere in the middle of nowhere with half the cost of living.Nov 13 05:58
r_schestowitzd) Since this year there's now also a requirement that a candidate must not have worked under a limited-term contract for the government before. You can imagine how that works out, when most government jobs of the last decade were mostly limited-term.Nov 13 05:58
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r_schestowitzBrandoElFollito 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 05:59
r_schestowitzI was thinking about the same in France.Nov 13 05:59
r_schestowitzI recently had a look at the jobs in the administration and the salary was ridiculous compared to a similar one in the private sector.Nov 13 05:59
r_schestowitzThis is particularly visible in the middle management are where a lit of actual decisions are made. No surprise that bringing in talent is not easy.Nov 13 05:59
r_schestowitzSame in science. I would love to come back to research but I cannot afford a smash (not cut) of my salary.Nov 13 05:59
r_schestowitzI do not think that the gouvernent is actually interested in having good pepole.Nov 13 05:59
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r_schestowitzloopz 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 05:59
r_schestowitzFor normal users the software must "Just Work (tm)" (former "Plug&Play"). These people need devs/power-users to turn to for help, though should usually be unnecessary. The experience need to surpass alternatives, ie. better privacy, no advertisements, rapid updates, more choice, freedom, no bugs, no useless notifications and distractions.Nov 13 05:59
r_schestowitzNot sure how this aligns with most businesses and govs, though they should support companies/orgs that make this their core.Nov 13 05:59
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r_schestowitz"The colleagues were the best people I have had the pleasure to learn from and work with, even to this day, but the best work is moot against idiots or bought-off morons in politics"Nov 13 05:59
r_schestowitzThis is a universal truth.Nov 13 05:59
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r_schestowitzMaupitiBlue 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 05:59
r_schestowitz“failure to provide adequate resources”Nov 13 05:59
r_schestowitzSo you’re confirming Microsoft’s point that Linux on the desktop provides no cost advantage? Combine that with OpenOffice’s Word 6 level UI, and it’s understandable why they went back.Nov 13 05:59
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r_schestowitzHe’s confirming using free software is not free. People trained to use Microsoft’s ribbon can’t use OpenOffice, just like many people trained to use older Office versions can’t use the ribbon.Nov 13 05:59
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r_schestowitzI’m always surprised by the need for training to click on the “bold” or “save” button. Yet Facebook has 2.41 billion monthly users. One cause would be that people are afraid of the career implication of clicking « save » on a document that shouldn’t be saved (the « mismanagement trauma » is how I would call that).Nov 13 05:59
r_schestowitzI know Atlassian changed it colors[1] for “cringy blue” because it made people less afraid of clicking than “serious blue”. But generally the same persons who succeed to become fashionistas on Instagram and plug it with their Google Analytics somehow and make hundreds with it, are sometimes the same who would need a training to use the Microsoft ribbon, come Monday morning.Nov 13 05:59
r_schestowitz[1] Heavy use of B400 for flat elements like the bar, to sashimi salmon for lozenges: https://atlassian.design/server/foundations/colors/Nov 13 05:59
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-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-atlassian.design | Colors | Foundations | Atlassian Design GuidelinesNov 13 05:59
r_schestowitzThat's not what they say though. We'd need to know 2 things:Nov 13 05:59
r_schestowitz- what was the difference between LiMux and the Microsoft directionNov 13 05:59
r_schestowitz- how much more would be needed to fix LiMux problemsNov 13 05:59
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r_schestowitz> - what was the difference between LiMux and the Microsoft directionNov 13 06:00
r_schestowitzUnfortunately I left Limux years before that shit happened so I cannot answer that question directly - I'll try with general politics instead. It was a political decision IMO - politicians were fed up with Limux shortcomings (which was caused mainly by their inability to provide users with decent hardware), that got combined with the decision of MS to move its Europe headquarters and thus a lot of prestige and tax money to Munich. BasicallyNov 13 06:00
r_schestowitza "quid pro quo" deal, the politicians knew what was expected (getting rid of the flagship Linux government project) for this. Old government head and Limux fan Christian Ude went out to retirement, his successor Reiter... well, my opinion about that dude is beyond what is acceptable under HN guidelines. I'm happy he's at least done what he could against our local neo-nazis, but everything else... thanks but no thanks.Nov 13 06:00
r_schestowitz> - how much more would be needed to fix LiMux problemsNov 13 06:00
r_schestowitzA shitload of money. Limux was 15k desktops (for ~30k employees) IIRC, which means replacing all of them at ~1k € (new PC, monitor, mouse and keyboard - believe me, everything needed upgrades) or 15 million € alone for the hardware, plus upgrading alll the government building networks (probably 500 buildings, of which alone 300 are schools) and uplinks which will rack into three-digit million sums... and for staff, instead of the ~8Nov 13 06:00
r_schestowitzpeople working on Limux proper maybe 30-50 developers alone, which means another 1.5M a year at least in staffing costs.Nov 13 06:00
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r_schestowitzncmncm 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:00
r_schestowitzSo now they spend that anyway, to be able to run MS kit, plus sending that much again to Microsoft.Nov 13 06:00
r_schestowitzClearly not an economic argument. Politically, there is always lots more money available for a big change than to make the current system work.Nov 13 06:00
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r_schestowitzmschuster91 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:00
r_schestowitz> So now they spend that anyway, to be able to run MS kit, plus sending that much again to MicrosoftNov 13 06:00
r_schestowitzTrue, but also they save a boatload of money on training cost. 30k staff is nothing to laugh at...Nov 13 06:00
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r_schestowitzBuckRogers 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:00
r_schestowitzYou either pay with licensing or hire a team to support. There’s no free as in beer, anywhere. At least once you get beyond some guy’s single Linux Mint install on his personal laptop, but not at any complex scale. Active Directory, development support, these things are needed. Hiring and maintaining a competent team is most often more expensive and importantly, far more difficult to competently do than licensing. Microsoft has aNov 13 06:00
r_schestowitzcomplete, vertically aligned stack that they’ve spent decades building and refining, there’s a lot of value there. Ubuntu is setup to compete here, and they’re a fine choice, but you do lose some things over going with Microsoft.Nov 13 06:00
r_schestowitzThe wish upon a star for free beer is strong.Nov 13 06:00
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r_schestowitzlazylizard 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:00
r_schestowitz99% of the desktops in my office are ubuntu. A few are centos or windows. Laptops usually come with windows so we don't remove it. Some are mac. Shared resources like email, shared storage,vpn, wifi and cluster access auth via ldap. Most of the windows desktops belong to the admin group. We host our own...everything..from dns to room booking. Most of it run on lxc on proxmox. The most painful things to do here..one of them is definitelyNov 13 06:00
r_schestowitzlicensing.Nov 13 06:00
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r_schestowitzlazylizard 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:00
r_schestowitzLinuxes are easy. All you need is ssh access. Ansible can do everything afterwards. Much easier to troubleshoot. Windows are hard. Very hard to troubleshoot. And so many ports open but still hard to remotely manage.Nov 13 06:00
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r_schestowitzlazylizard 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:00
r_schestowitzLike adding printers. A line in /etc/cups/client.conf will suffice for all the linux machines. I can even add that via ansible. Windows requires installing drivers n clicking things in the gui for each printer. Its like 100 times more effort to do the same chores...Nov 13 06:00
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r_schestowitzlazylizard 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:00
r_schestowitzWe spend mostly on hardware. Switches. Servers. Desktops. Gpus. Hard disks. Laptops.Nov 13 06:01
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r_schestowitzbaybal2 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzSupport? I urge you to try run your IT on Microsoft, with a support contract. Their phone support was useless, is useless, and will be useless.Nov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzI worked in BestBuy once, their IT gave up on fixing Windows and defaulted to re-imagining disks upon first issues with Win/Office despite having a support contract.Nov 13 06:01
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r_schestowitzBuckRogers 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzThat's not the sort of support that I'm talking about. That's trivial, and those Best Buy employees are most likely just incompetent, kids off the street that enjoy computers. It's true you might get better desktop support out of a Redhat engineer (for Windows, desktop Linux, or otherwise), if you could afford to pay him. The same would apply if people had a direct line to a Microsoft engineer.Nov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzI'm talking about ensuring some script you wrote in VB6 in 1998 still works on machines in 2019. Take that scenario times 100. It's not advertised but they do fix (or break, then fix) enterprise issues better than any entity I've seen, and definitely at that scale.Nov 13 06:01
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r_schestowitzBB's policy makes sense as it's the most cost effective solution.Nov 13 06:01
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r_schestowitzimglorp 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzDesktop much?Nov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzIn this century, cloud apps as a managed service are sufficient for some 90 pct of office workers. Chromebook/thin clients can be wiped on the hour or chucked in the trash if they break. So, 365, which is killing it. Not an MS cheerleader but this is the right play for them.Nov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzDevelopers are obviously different and need a curated desktop experience.Nov 13 06:01
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r_schestowitzWalterGR 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzIn this century, cloud apps as a managed service are sufficient for some 90 pct of office workers.Nov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzIs there data on this?Nov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzSo, so, so, so many companies have random internal desktop apps, or are dependent on external ones, that I think chucking a Chromebook at 90% of office workers is a pipe dream.Nov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzBut absent data, this is all pure speculation.Nov 13 06:01
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r_schestowitzBuckRogers 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzThin-clients are very much last century, mid-last century at that. They were called terminals. That's just a new buzzword because technology became fashionable for the non-technical, like calling server farms, "the cloud".Nov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzA thin-client is just a desktop that can't do much of anything under its own power. There's good reason Apple keeps advancing their A-series chips, why not stop at "thin client" (running a browser), like a Chromebook? Instead, they're near desktop Intel speeds. To answer that, it's because they want their platform to actually be able to do something on its own. AR, VR, image processing, video editing, you name it. No developer is requiredNov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzto own it, unlike this idea that "curated desktops", which can be around the power of an Apple A13, as somehow just aimed at developers.Nov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzAgreed on O365. Microsoft can do thin clients, and has a complete stack that integrates easily to resolve more complex demands out of the box. Just because it's the 21st century doesn't mean any of these concepts listed are new, nor is what Microsoft built in the 80's, 90's and 00's valueless. Depending on requirements it's very strongly to the contrary.Nov 13 06:01
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r_schestowitzMediterraneo10 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:01
r_schestowitzIf your employee’s tasks are more typically clerical ones like data entry, working with MS Word documents, etc., then why do you want computing power capable of “AR, VR, image processing, video editing”? That sounds like something that the employee would be applying towards rich social media experiences instead, which is probably something you don’t want them doing on company time.Nov 13 06:01
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r_schestowitzBuckRogers 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:02
r_schestowitzAye, but that's not my point. I'm saying everything that's old is new again. No one builds a processor that's computationally limited to lock employees into data entry. It was done in the 70s and prior out of necessity. Pretty much everything that's out there from Snapdragons to RPis are Facebook-capable.Nov 13 06:02
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r_schestowitzmikece 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:02
r_schestowitz“We assume our readers are wise enough to understand that Microsoft is the same old corrupt company, with new lies and PR.”Nov 13 06:02
r_schestowitzI assume Microsoft still wants to make as much money from Windows and Office as they can but the trend has been to get users onto Azure and that’s not incompatible with Linux desktops and LibreOffice. That said, it’s possible that Microsoft Germany is doing things of which Redmond wouldn’t approve if it were fully know back at HQ. This isn’t Ballmer’s MSFT anymore.Nov 13 06:02
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r_schestowitzfreehunter 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:02
r_schestowitzI thought the same thing on azure but I recently stood up an environment there and found there are a lot of cool tools available that are greyed out with a message saying “not available on Linux hosts”. Maybe it’s just temporary until they add those features and Linux stuff deploys just fine, but I did feel like Linux was a second class citizen. It doesn’t help that most of the selection boxes I ran into had Windows as the defaultNov 13 06:02
r_schestowitzoption.Nov 13 06:02
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r_schestowitztopkai22 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:02
r_schestowitzIt depends on the service, and a lot is the legacy of Azure actually being windows first or only for the first 5 or 6 years. I'm betting the area you were playing around in was web apps or VMs. If you look at the various container based offerings or the newer dev tools they are clearly Linux first. I'm pretty sure the new Visual Studio online offering doesn't even have a windows configuration.Nov 13 06:02
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r_schestowitzYou’re right, it was with App Services.Nov 13 06:02
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r_schestowitzfartcannon 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:02
r_schestowitzIt's not the same, no. Now they're significantly better at getting people to parrot their PR for them.Nov 13 06:02
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r_schestowitzlstroud 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:02
r_schestowitzI’m not sure it’s changed much on the Windows / Office side. There’s definitely a different attitude with Azure. However, it’s hard to tell if that’s a culture change or if it’s just because they are the little guy in the cloud space.Nov 13 06:02
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r_schestowitzI am sure that all the bribes Microsoft gave in Europe were not known in US /sNov 13 06:02
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r_schestowitzI would prefer a translation instead of this editorializing.Nov 13 06:02
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r_schestowitzTechrights (formerly Boycott Novell) is not the place to go for that.Nov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzIt is the conspiracy site that has claimed such things as Microsoft caused the Deepwater Horizon spill, Bill Gates invests in companies that cause polio in Africa, the real purpose of the Gates Foundation's work in Africa is to oppress brown people so that Africa can be recolonized by western governments, that Microsoft has significant control over the US government, the French government, the UK government, PBS, the Lancet, the WashingtonNov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzPost, The New York Times, CNN, and others (possibly related to Microsoft's attendance at the Bilderberg meetings).Nov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzAnd that's just a few I remember from literally hundreds of such things that have been posted there in the 13 or so years its been around.Nov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzIt's not all conspiracy theory stuff, but even when it covers something that is actually true it tends to mix in some of the conspiracy stuff.Nov 13 06:03
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r_schestowitzncmncm 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzConspiracy necessarily implies violating the law. They do not typically claim lawbreaking, more usually just garden-variety underhanded dealing. Microsoft is not at all shy about engagement in the latter.Nov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzConsistent pressure in one direction over decades can have profound effects even when nothing that seems especially noteworthy is done.Nov 13 06:03
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r_schestowitztinus_hn 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzThe interview has practically no content. The mayor says that a leader of the ‘green’ party suddenly switched sides supporting Microsoft at every turn but states no reason why, so insinuations this was influenced by Microsoft somehow aren’t made in the interview. Then he laments about how much this probably is going to cost and what they could have done, mostly invest in better hardware and just better politics, convincing people ofNov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzthe value of independence and data security.Nov 13 06:03
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r_schestowitzmrzool 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzThat’s maybe the reason why also the linked article almost has no content. It’s just a series of allegations and diversions into how much Microsoft sucks. There’s not even anecdotal evidence mentioned. As much as I sympathize with the view, you need to back it up. I didn’t get any value from the article, and that’s disappointing cause I’m sure there’s a real story to be told here.Nov 13 06:03
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r_schestowitzwindexh8er 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzI'm not sure that was the point. It's clearly stated in the article that the move back to Windows had no technical merit with regard to operations of the FOSS supplicants. The HN crowd is well aware of all of the default telemetry and "spyware" that is the current generation of desktop Windows.Nov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzPersonally, it feels like the beginning of the turning of a tide. Large organizations are finally starting to wear on the idea of "subscriptions" as a default base for lock-in and data collection. "Our service runs in the cloud for your benefit!" they say. "It's a subscription that delivers customer value!" they say. None of it's true. The angle is investor value. Everyone at Microsoft size is building products for the bottom line, not theNov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzconsumer. Microsoft doesn't get a pass because the article doesn't drill on point by point how Microsoft has marginalized and abused OSS since they took the first pot shots at Linux.Nov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzI still don't understand how organizations rationalize Windows as a core OS their business runs on. Primarily Microsoft environments fuel the majority of the security industry today and so it appears to be one big cyclical money laundering scheme. Microsoft continues to build on a platform that's always rife with security flaws, the Enterprise security vendors "solve" this and it's a fantastic circle of POs for everyone, including Microsoft.Nov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzWhile you may not have gotten "value" from the article the continued solicitation of the punches Microsoft has pulled to continually remind people of that is worth it enough to publish it. Burying what they've done and continue to do brings nobody value.Nov 13 06:03
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r_schestowitzce4 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzHere's the original 4-page interview of former mayor Christian Ude, it's very readable and should translate well with Google Translate:Nov 13 06:03
r_schestowitzhttps://www.linux-magazin.de/ausgaben/2019/10/interview-2/Nov 13 06:03
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r_schestowitzHmmm, it's not a very good translation:Nov 13 06:03
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r_schestowitzTry DeepL https://www.deepl.com/en/translator — unfortunately it can't translate webpages, so you would have to copypaste the contentsNov 13 06:04
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r_schestowitzThanks for linking. Agreed, eg.the idiom should have read "sink or swim" (not eat or die), but is the rest really that bad? Also the source article isn't too informative to begin with.Nov 13 06:04
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r_schestowitzI usually use Microsoft Edge for translating webpages on the fly. It's great tech.Nov 13 06:04
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r_schestowitzdredmorbius 2 days ago [-]Nov 13 06:04
r_schestowitzUnfortunately, that's pretty much par for the course with Schestowitz. Even where he's got some actual meat (and many of his roasts are at best thin stews, often verging on homeopathic), he trips over himself slathering on the umbrage and insinuation.Nov 13 06:04
r_schestowitzI tend to believe what he's insinuating here, that Microsoft prioritises desktop licenses well above any apparances of playing nice with Linux (Azure may be a market, but that's virtually (hah!) all servers). But Schestowitz can't get out of his own way to tell the story.Nov 13 06:04
r_schestowitzGoing straight to the source is generally recommended in any case. All the more so in this instance.Nov 13 06:04
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r_schestowitz> I have, even two computers.Nov 13 06:56
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r_schestowitz> I've just tried again, literally 15 times.Nov 13 06:57
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r_schestowitz> It always gets stuck at this point.Nov 13 06:57
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r_schestowitz> See screenshot.Nov 13 06:57
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r_schestowitz> I want to work on tickets now.Nov 13 06:57
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r_schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/germany/comments/duco2s/former_mayor_of_munich_explains_what_microsoft/?sort=topNov 13 06:57
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Former mayor of Munich explains what Microsoft did in Munich and elsewhere in Europe in order to undermine GNU/Linux and impose Microsoft Windows on everybody : germanyNov 13 06:57
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r_schestowitzFor those here who would like to read the original interview in German: https://www.linux-magazin.de/ausgaben/2019/10/interview-2/Nov 13 06:57
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r_schestowitzThat translation is a disaster. I’d recommend reading the original until somebody with a command of both English and German can be found.Nov 13 06:57
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r_schestowitzSadly, I am posting from a windows laptop! I do prefer unix at work, but I have been lazy to get rid of windows after I bought a new laptop.Nov 13 06:58
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r_schestowitzits easier when its new. less to backup.Nov 13 06:58
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r_schestowitzIIRC there was something similar in Amsterdam when they introduced the OV-Chipkaart public transport payment system. A work colleague told me there was a choice between a fairly well reviewed open source system, and a commercial one that had some dodgy ties to one of the decision makers - the latter was chosen, and only a few days after its introduction it was cracked and pirated cards started showing up.Nov 13 06:58
r_schestowitzThere's nothing wrong in principle with commercial software, but the best tool for the job should always be chosen - overall cost of ownership, security, ease of support, compatibility with other systems, etc. should be rationally considered. Also, I want a pony.Nov 13 06:58
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r_schestowitzNo doubt that they try to indoctrinate and manipulate them, but in the end it is HIM and his colleagues who decide. It sounds like a lame excuse for what THEY did.Nov 13 06:58
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r_schestowitzI mean, politicians sure do a lot of wrong, but making “HIM” responsible is disingenuous.Nov 13 06:58
r_schestowitzUde was mayor of Munich from 1984 to 2014.Nov 13 06:58
r_schestowitzLiMux was launched in 2004 and in 2014, over 80% of the city’s 15’500 desktop computers were running on it.Nov 13 06:58
r_schestowitzIt was only in 2017, 3 years after Ude had left office, that the project was scrapped - by Ude’s successor.Nov 13 06:58
r_schestowitzThat’s what he’s describing in the linked article.Nov 13 06:58
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r_schestowitz"Him" was meant as his position, not him personally. Sorry for phrasing that wrong.Nov 13 06:59
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r_schestowitzThe main pusher was Dieter Reiter, an avowed Microsoft Fanboy.Nov 13 06:59
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r_schestowitzYou're wrong. Ude wasn't in charge anymore when the Stadtrat decided to flush Limux down the drain after 10 successful years. The "official" explanation why Limux was trashed, was that the Stadträte where angry they can't install skype on their own on their devices. First they tried it with "all the workers despice the Limux client, because it crashes and is hard to work with" but it turned out that "all" this disgruntled employees whereNov 13 06:59
r_schestowitzjust those 10 or 20 that had objected to switch from chalk and spates to pen and paper, because new technologies are witchcraft.Nov 13 06:59
r_schestowitzI was working at IT@MUC at that time and we got a mail from a colleague saying "Kollegen, der Stadtrat hat uns gerade an Microsoft verkauft." the moment they decided to shut down Limux.Nov 13 06:59
r_schestowitzAnd then there is the fact that Microsoft moved their facilities from Oberschleissheim to Munich at that time. Guess who's collecting taxes from Microsoft now? Hint: Oberschleissheim is not a part of Munich but an independent community.Nov 13 06:59
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r_schestowitzAs I said, I didn't mean him personally but his position.Nov 13 06:59
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-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Christian Ude speaks in new interview about what Microsoft did in Munich and elsewhere in Europe in order to undermine GNU/Linux and impose Microsoft Windows on everybody, together with all the spyware Microsoft provides for it : technologyNov 13 07:00
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r_schestowitzThe column for "pages" has a category "search." When I click on that category there, I only get a "search" option. Maybe that's what's intended? You had been adding the xxxxx articles to the "search" category.  Nothing is implied! :-)Nov 13 07:10
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r_schestowitzI am amazed at how much research and writing you do while also running a consulting company. It's impressive.Nov 13 07:10
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r_schestowitzThanks for your support, btw. It's nice to find another human who understands and cares about privacy. It's been a traumatic time for me, and I have to now be concerned about retaliation for asking some very good and appropriate questions. (Please don't print this.)Nov 13 07:10
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Linuzifer/status/1194603900902486016Nov 13 23:51
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Linuzifer: If your submission to #36C3 was rejected, this anecdote is for you :) https://t.co/NKKw425aX1Nov 13 23:51
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