●● IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Sunday, December 13, 2020 ●● ● Dec 13 [00:56] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [00:56] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) ● Dec 13 [01:00] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [01:01] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [01:15] schestowitz [01:15] hi, href. I just wanted to ask, any ETA for pleroma.site/fr. No pressure, just asking. [01:23] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [01:23] *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 13 [08:13] Techrights-sec I'll need t odo some router maintenance this week. It will break the connection. [08:13] Techrights-sec Any time or day better than any others? [08:13] Techrights-sec weekday ● Dec 13 [09:10] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [09:10] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [09:11] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [09:11] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [09:58] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [09:59] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) ● Dec 13 [10:04] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [10:04] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [10:10] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [10:10] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [10:15] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [10:16] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 13 [13:28] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [13:28] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) ● Dec 13 [14:03] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [14:03] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 13 [16:18] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [16:18] *rianne has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:45] schestowitz Re: New Article [16:45] schestowitz > Somehow "such a simply rule" on paragraph 3 (*simple* rule) and [16:45] schestowitz > "nagative" rather than negative slipped in, if those could be fixed. [16:45] schestowitz Thanks, working on it now. 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[18:51] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 13 [19:02] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:03] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes [19:38] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [19:39] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [19:48] schestowitz > If you read a technical article about MSG, it sounds nothing like an [19:48] schestowitz > article about a spice. If you decide to bake pot into brownies because [19:48] schestowitz > you like the flavour, that doesn't make it a spice just because you use [19:48] schestowitz > it as one. [19:48] schestowitz > [19:48] schestowitz > There is a campaign to mark people who are sensitive to MSG as racist [19:48] schestowitz > and to mark MSG as safe. [19:48] schestowitz > [19:48] schestowitz > I don't personally think this is any different than efforts to prove [19:48] schestowitz > that people who don't like Microsoft or IBM are racist, or efforts to [19:48] schestowitz > show that lead additives or sugar are safer than they really are. [19:48] schestowitz > [19:48] schestowitz > MSG is addictive and cheap, and people make more money if it's [19:48] schestowitz > considered safer than it is. The number of people who are sensitive to [19:48] schestowitz > it may be in the minority, but that doesn't mean they are racist. [19:48] schestowitz > [19:48] schestowitz > The argument is ridiculous as well-- I happen to love a number of Asian [19:48] schestowitz > foods, from Sushi to Chinese dumplings and fried rice to Indian food, [19:48] schestowitz > but if I'm sensitive to MSG at Applebee's, it's because I don't like the [19:48] schestowitz > Chinese? That's ridiculous. [19:48] schestowitz > [19:48] schestowitz > For more than a year, I had problems every time I went to Applebee's. I [19:48] schestowitz > finally found out how much of their menu contained MSG, stopped eating [19:48] schestowitz > there, and felt much better. Cutting MSG out of my diet had a more [19:48] schestowitz > dramatic effect than ANY other diet change I've made in my life. [19:49] schestowitz > Consuming that one ingredient caused a huge amount of stress. [19:49] schestowitz > [19:49] schestowitz > What's more, this change was through painful trial and error, not [19:49] schestowitz > reading some article about how MSG is evil and deciding to cut it out [19:49] schestowitz > because of some new dietary fad. [19:49] schestowitz > [19:49] schestowitz > https://thinkprogress.org/we-know-how-to-stop-the-epidemic-of-lead-poisoning-so-why-arent-we-a4c618d26f91/ [19:49] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-thinkprogress.org | We Know How To Stop The Epidemic Of Lead Poisoning. So Why ArentWe? ThinkProgress [19:49] schestowitz > [19:49] schestowitz > [19:49] schestowitz > "Health officials first began raising concerns about the impacts of lead [19:49] schestowitz > exposure in the 1950s, but *the industry waged **a mighty marketing and [19:49] schestowitz > lobbying campaign* [19:49] schestowitz > *to [19:49] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.bloomberg.com | CityLab - Bloomberg [19:49] schestowitz > convince everyone that lead was safe*, even claiming it *promoted [19:49] schestowitz > health* [19:49] schestowitz > ." [19:49] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.latimes.com | 'Lead helps guard your health': How American companies sold a toxic product - Los Angeles Times [19:49] schestowitz > [19:49] schestowitz > This is what the public is up against. I appreciate that there are [19:49] schestowitz > studies to show that people complaining about MSG reactions are just [19:49] schestowitz > nutters, but it's easy to blame them if the number of people with ACUTE [19:49] schestowitz > (not long term) reactions are a small percentage. [19:49] schestowitz > [19:49] schestowitz > Gluten intolerance is another thing where you have a small percentage [19:49] schestowitz > who really actually are sensitive, but the condition is real. Some [19:49] schestowitz > people have turned that real thing into a gimmick for others who believe [19:49] schestowitz > they are helped by avoiding gluten, when the scientific reality is that [19:49] schestowitz > ONLY people with Celiac are gluten intolerant-- there are many more who [19:49] schestowitz > are allergic to wheat. [19:49] schestowitz > [19:49] schestowitz > They go gluten-free and reduce their wheat intake almost entirely, they [19:49] schestowitz > report feeling better without any mainstream science to back them up. At [19:49] schestowitz > some point, people will probably do studies to show they are sensitive [19:49] schestowitz > to wheat. [19:49] schestowitz > [19:49] schestowitz > But that will go against the GMO industry, who say that nobody is [19:49] schestowitz > allergic to GMOs even when some people have had violent reactions to [19:49] schestowitz > say-- nut DNA introduced to products that don't otherwise contain nuts, [19:49] schestowitz > but there is enough DNA to create a nut allergy in those products. [19:49] schestowitz > [19:49] schestowitz > The main problem with GMOs (other than being proprietary food, [19:50] schestowitz > introducing patent problems for people who plant seeds the way that [19:50] schestowitz > Microsoft introduces patent problems for software) is that the main [19:50] schestowitz > modification for GMOs is often simply to make them tolerant to [19:50] schestowitz > unprecidented levels of pesticides-- but even as many countries ban [19:50] schestowitz > those pesticides, we are assured that they are scientifically proven to [19:50] schestowitz > be PERFECTLY safe. [19:50] schestowitz > [19:50] schestowitz > It's a substance that works more like a drug than a spice, in my [19:50] schestowitz > opinion. Maybe one day science will back me up on that, but for the [19:50] schestowitz > moment marketers have more influence on science than the public who are [19:50] schestowitz > at the mercy of science corrupted by corporate finance. [19:50] schestowitz > [19:50] schestowitz > No thank you, all the same. You can eat your perfectly safe food, but [19:50] schestowitz > I'm surprised that anybody isn't more sceptical when you yourself know [19:50] schestowitz > how shifty and shady the industry is and how much they work very hard to [19:50] schestowitz > hide from the public. [19:50] schestowitz > [19:50] schestowitz > This isn't a racist conspiracy theory, it's a repeatable, demonstrable [19:50] schestowitz > allergic reaction "refuted" by statistics, money and marketing. But you [19:50] schestowitz > say tomahto, and I say "low enough naturally-occurring amounts"-- let's [19:50] schestowitz > call the whole thing off. [19:50] schestowitz > [19:50] schestowitz > MinceR [19:50] schestowitz > it's a spice, not a drug [19:50] schestowitz > Dec 12 18:09 [19:50] schestowitz > 12 18:09:07> [19:50] schestowitz > MinceR [19:50] schestowitz > 12 185429 < schestowitz> > "natural" as mining "naturally occurring" [19:50] schestowitz > uranium and then processing it [19:50] schestowitz > Dec 12 18:09 [19:50] schestowitz > 12 18:09:43> [19:50] schestowitz > MinceR [19:50] schestowitz > arsenic occurs in nature as well [19:50] schestowitz > Dec 12 18:09 [19:50] schestowitz > 12 18:09:48> [19:50] schestowitz > MinceR [19:50] schestowitz > > this may suck, but at least you're free as in freedom. [19:51] schestowitz > Dec 12 18:10 [19:51] schestowitz > 12 18:10:38> [19:51] schestowitz > MinceR [19:51] schestowitz > there still is plenty of free software that actually works better than [19:51] schestowitz > the proprietary alternatives [19:51] schestowitz > Dec 12 18:10 [19:51] schestowitz > 12 18:10:53> [19:51] schestowitz MinceR: ^^ [19:51] schestowitz > Basically people who don't eat things they don't like are picky , but [19:51] schestowitz > people who don't eat things that make them sick are nuts. [19:52] MinceR i wonder what they'll say about salt [19:52] schestowitz wait until tomorrow [19:52] MinceR i've read many bad things about the ill effects of high sodium intake, after all... [19:52] schestowitz when the logs are published and replied to [19:52] MinceR or sugar, which can contribute to obesity [19:53] MinceR and the industry is shady, but afaik they have nothing to do with the MSG content of various seaweeds and tomatoes [19:54] MinceR nor with people's practice of consuming those plants for their flavor [19:56] MinceR also, some people having an intolerance to gluten (due to an immune system issue) doesn't turn gluten into a drug either [19:57] MinceR lactose intolerance doesn't turn lactose into a drug ● Dec 13 [20:03] schestowitz true [20:29] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:30] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes [20:59] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● Dec 13 [21:59] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 13 [23:39] schestowitz Re: Meeting of the AC [23:52] schestowitz > Dear Roy, [23:52] schestowitz > [23:52] schestowitz > it is a little late tonight but an idea crossed my mind and I would like [23:52] schestowitz > to share it with you. We, staff of the EPO, nearly all read your blog [23:52] schestowitz > and undeed it helps to improve what we are dramatically missing at the [23:52] schestowitz > office: freedom of communication. [23:52] schestowitz > Therefore my suggestion: could you advise us a 101% sure way of sending [23:52] schestowitz > an anonymous message to the key "managers" of the office as well as a [23:52] schestowitz > ready to use list of such a managers? [23:52] schestowitz > The trouble is that we would love to talk to these managers personally [23:52] schestowitz > but knowing of the past witch hunts, we understandably prefer to remain [23:52] schestowitz > anonymous . [23:52] schestowitz > Please don't post this message "as such", that would be imho [23:52] schestowitz > counterproductive. [23:52] schestowitz > [23:52] schestowitz > What do you think of that? [23:52] schestowitz Several times in the more distance past (almost 5 years and even more than 5) we posted an almost exhaustive list of all national delegates, with contact details as well (where we could find these; directories helped a bit). [23:52] schestowitz The list is partly out-of-date now, but I understand you want contact details of Office managers rather than delegates. [23:52] schestowitz I am quite certain someone inside the EPO can send me a long list of E-mail addresses of managers (one can also guess the addresses as they follow a namespace template). I don't have it. Someone once sent me the home address of Madame Bergot & Spouse Inc., but publishing such a thing can be seen as menacing given a past incident of house fire. [23:52] schestowitz To work around E-mail filters, I'd suggest someone sends a list of E-mails of managers (nothing fancy, just comma-separated or semi colon-separated list of addresses one can paste in to conveniently mass-mail). Then, we can suggest different services for anonymously messaging all of them, perhaps along with a suggested template. [23:52] schestowitz I say different services, as if the same service is used by many people the Office will find a way to intercept/block/delete these. [23:52] schestowitz Another idea: we can set up a technical mechanism for sending anonymous mails to particular managers by proxy. It would need to use a diversity of addresses/sources to bypass filtering. Or an online page/form when you tick the manager you wish to contact anonymously, though if it's used to send abusive messages it can make us look bad. [23:52] schestowitz Thinking about this carefully, a good start would be, send a list of all known managers and their E-mail addresses. We can make a fancy clickable directory, maybe with list of thrasher remailers. [23:52] schestowitz It would be hard to know who sent us the list, esp. if many people have access to such information. [23:52] schestowitz *distant past