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schestowitz> Sure,Jan 14 03:37
schestowitz>Jan 14 03:37
schestowitz> I think the only change with the last one was lead -> led.Jan 14 03:37
schestowitz>Jan 14 03:37
schestowitz> Thanks,Jan 14 03:37
schestowitz> TomJan 14 03:37
schestowitzThis is a veeeery common typo. I still this typo so often that I've begun thinking, maybe it's me who's wrong and it has two possible forms.Jan 14 03:37
schestowitzThere are other common typos of this type that got me confused (because of the frequency I see them).Jan 14 03:37
schestowitzAnyway, your letter is not in LXer.Jan 14 03:37
schestowitz"less recently: "Co-founder Bill Gates has rebranded himself a philanthropist, a common pastime among former ruthless company leaders that gives them an image of being less destructive or sociopathic…" -Ted MacReilly more recently: https://medium.com/@m.boop127/the-case-against-philanthropy-c36b83d7007f"Jan 14 03:52
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-gen.medium.com | The Case Against Philanthropy - GENJan 14 03:52
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16651895#ca12faa0f6e901371e9d7a163ef10931Jan 14 03:52
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "When people understand what Microsoft is up to, they're outraged." -Tim O'Reilly, #microsoft apologist who plotted the ousting of #gnu #linux founderJan 14 03:52
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes- Photo by schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_ec1072265184a2cd638d.jpgJan 14 03:52
schestowitz"Jan 14 03:52
schestowitzHow did O’Reilly come to say these words above?Jan 14 03:52
schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comJan 14 03:53
schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about a month agoJan 14 03:53
schestowitz“Co-founder Bill Gates has rebranded himself a philanthropist, a common pastime among former ruthless company leaders that gives them an image of being less destructive or sociopathic…” -Ted MacReillyJan 14 03:53
schestowitzmore recently: https://medium.com/@m.boop127/the-case-against-philanthropy-c36b83d7007fJan 14 03:53
schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comJan 14 03:53
schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about a month agoJan 14 03:53
schestowitzHow did O’Reilly come to say these words above?Jan 14 03:53
schestowitzhttps://money.cnn.com/1996/08/22/technology/oreilly_intv/Jan 14 03:53
schestowitz tomgrzJan 14 03:53
schestowitztomgrz - about a month agoJan 14 03:53
schestowitzOh, a long time ago, before Microsoft began to love Linux to death.Jan 14 03:53
schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comJan 14 03:53
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-money.cnn.com | Microsoft under scrutiny - Aug. 22, 1996Jan 14 03:53
schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about a month agoJan 14 03:53
schestowitzyes, they were still falling in love with the internet.Jan 14 03:53
schestowitz"Jan 14 03:53
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16677347#ac0df7c0f90001371e917a163ef10931Jan 14 03:54
schestowitz"Jan 14 03:54
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The US government has allowed Microsoft to supply its software to Chinese company Huawei Technologies." https://dwaves.org/2019/12/03/russian-it-security-updates-dec3/ to stifle #gnu #linux adoption in #china http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/microsoft-against-gnu-linux/Jan 14 03:54
schestowitzOf course!Jan 14 03:54
schestowitz tomgrzJan 14 03:54
schestowitztomgrz - about a month agoJan 14 03:54
schestowitzIn fact, it is largely US technology and US dollars that have made China what it is today. All through the '70s, '80s, '90… many billions of dollars were invested in China, along with technology transfer. Pretty stupid, in hindsight.Jan 14 03:54
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> dwaves.org | » Russian IT Security Updates Dec3 | dwaves.orgJan 14 03:54
schestowitz tomgrzJan 14 03:54
schestowitztomgrz - about a month agoJan 14 03:54
schestowitzNot to worry, the Walton family has prospered.Jan 14 03:54
schestowitz"Jan 14 03:54
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Microsoft ‘Loves Linux’ So Much That It Lobbies Huawei Against GNU/Linux | TechrightsJan 14 03:54
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16877547#7cb0ddc00e450138b84d2a0000053625Jan 14 03:55
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft #Windows is an #imperialistic #operatingsystem (or bootable malware) and it is therefore imperative for nations that pursue real #sovereignty to wean themselves off it altogether http://techrights.org/2019/12/31/leaving-windows/Jan 14 03:55
schestowitz"Jan 14 03:55
schestowitz@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) I think trying to argue against using Windows, in my experience gets you looked at as if you’re an idiot, what we need to do is argue in favour of the alternatives and make sure that argument is backed by evidence, consistent messaging and good technical support. The same would go for arguing in favour of the fediverse, we should mention MS or FB as little as possible, just concentrate on the solution we careJan 14 03:55
schestowitzabout, may work.Jan 14 03:55
schestowitzLets start with the fact that the argument in favour of MS office is that it is industry standard, (lots of people use it) against the fact that odf is a recognised and government mandated standard as well as being an open document format.Jan 14 03:55
schestowitz freemedia@framasphere.orgJan 14 03:55
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Why Large Nations Like China and Russia Will Gradually Move to GNU/Linux | TechrightsJan 14 03:55
schestowitzfreemedia@framasphere.org - 13 days agoJan 14 03:55
schestowitzI think trying to argue against using Windows, in my experience gets you looked at as if you’re an idiotJan 14 03:55
schestowitzby whom?Jan 14 03:55
schestowitzit gets you trolled by idiots: http://techrights.org/2019/06/05/bribe-the-moderates-to-your-side/ | http://techrights.org/2019/06/06/damning-with-faint-praise/ but what trolls say is not indicative of what the public really thinks of you. it is a narcissists / marketers trick: http://techrights.org/2019/08/20/narcissism-in-the-community/Jan 14 03:55
schestowitz Paul SuttonJan 14 03:55
schestowitzPaul Sutton - 13 days agoJan 14 03:55
schestowitz@freemedia You just get told it is industry standard, trying to come up with new arguments gets harder and harder.Jan 14 03:55
schestowitz Paul SuttonJan 14 03:55
schestowitzPaul Sutton - 13 days agoJan 14 03:55
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Chapter 5: Open Source Judo — How to Bribe the Moderates to Your Side | TechrightsJan 14 03:55
schestowitzI would rather just argue in favour of free sofrware ad not give the rivals a mention, and hence free promotion.Jan 14 03:55
schestowitzThere is an assumption I either a) use MS office and windows or b ) can afford MS office and Windows, or perhaps both, people are sometimes supportive when told otherwise, mostly you get ignored.lJan 14 03:55
schestowitzIt also seems easy to assume that just because I use Linux and Libreoffice /; Latex I am incapable of typing on MS office,Jan 14 03:55
schestowitz freemedia@framasphere.orgJan 14 03:55
schestowitzfreemedia@framasphere.org - 12 days agoJan 14 03:55
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Chapter 6: Damning With Faint Praise — Take the Right Examples of Free Software and Exploit Them for Everything | TechrightsJan 14 03:55
schestowitzI would rather just argue in favour of free sofrware ad not give the rivals a mentionJan 14 03:55
schestowitzthats a legitimate strategy. at least in some contexts it is a better one.Jan 14 03:55
schestowitz SilouettEJan 14 03:55
schestowitzSilouettE - 12 days agoJan 14 03:55
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Guarding and Rescuing the FSF Titanic: Narcissism in The Community | TechrightsJan 14 03:55
schestowitz#Israel did it, now #China does it too: https://davidandhoward.com/2019/12/15/china-develops-its-own-computer-operating-system/Jan 14 03:55
schestowitz SilouettEJan 14 03:55
schestowitzSilouettE - 12 days agoJan 14 03:55
schestowitzbased on Linux X-DJan 14 03:55
schestowitz"Jan 14 03:55
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-davidandhoward.com | China develops its own computer operating system – David & HowardJan 14 03:55
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16722614#49439030fd6a01371e9d7a163ef10931Jan 14 03:57
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft Still Hates #GNU / #Linux and #MarkShuttleworth Knows It (But He is Desperate for Money) http://techrights.org/2019/12/10/mark-shuttleworth-and-ms/Jan 14 03:57
schestowitz"Jan 14 03:57
schestowitzSo he is selling the farm.Jan 14 03:57
schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comJan 14 03:57
schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about a month agoJan 14 03:57
schestowitzs/selling/selling\ out/ yepJan 14 03:57
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Microsoft Still Hates GNU/Linux and Mark Shuttleworth Knows It (But He is Desperate for Money) | TechrightsJan 14 03:57
schestowitz tomgrzJan 14 03:57
schestowitztomgrz - about a month agoJan 14 03:57
schestowitz=Jan 14 03:57
schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comJan 14 03:57
schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about a month agoJan 14 03:57
schestowitzTrueJan 14 03:57
schestowitz"Jan 14 03:57
schestowitz> Technology companies in general are in the business of imposingJan 14 03:59
schestowitz> artificial controls on the creative marketplace, much like DeBeers isJan 14 03:59
schestowitz> with their diamonds. Thus we have copyrights, and patents, and even moreJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> sophisticated forms of control and coercion. GPL licensing is a legalJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> and partial solution to the issues we face, yet entities which strive toJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> profit in the realm of “intellectual property” do not restrictJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> themselves to the domain of Law. So, I suggest that the Free SoftwareJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> movement focus additionally, more strongly, upon its roots - theJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> users/developers, and their actual practice on the ground. TheJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> on-the-ground nexus of community, programming, and system development isJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> where the enemies of software freedom are now staking their claims: GitHub.Jan 14 04:00
schestowitz>Jan 14 04:00
schestowitz> GitHub is /the/ prime location of one type of corporate control whichJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> must be addressed. You probably understand that “GitHub” properly,Jan 14 04:00
schestowitz> ideally, should be something provided by the Free Software Foundation.Jan 14 04:00
schestowitz> *Savannah was a brilliant platform, at the time, but now GitHub providesJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> much more real-time interactivity along with strong elements from socialJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> media. Seeing GitHub as a type of social media, with a centralizedJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> platform, it is easy to see how Microsoft benefits from its users veryJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> much like Facebook does from its users: the loss of users’ privacy, withJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> the concomitant collection of usage information gives Microsoft aJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> powerful and insightful position over the development and _marketing _ofJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> Free Software projects. Another concern about GitHub is that it enablesJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> Microsoft a direct avenue for censorship of software development. If youJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> think that this might be far-fetched, you need only see that GitHub hasJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> already been forced to reject software from people working fromJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> countries that are being sanctioned by the US government. It is not aJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> leap to imagine that this might be only a beginning.*Jan 14 04:00
schestowitz>Jan 14 04:00
schestowitz> *So what to do, specifically? It seems clear to me that the FreeJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> Software Foundation, or maybe Gnu Org. should embark on developing andJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> implementing a direct and successful competitor to GitHub, gearedJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> specifically toward providing software freedom. This would be the oneJan 14 04:00
schestowitz> most important concrete action I want to suggest now.*Jan 14 04:00
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MiskaPhillip/status/1216930139956633600Jan 14 04:01
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@MiskaPhillip: #PizzaGate is real https://t.co/g9CzWcxDhDJan 14 04:01
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia – Part I: Bill Gates Has Plenty to Hide. Money and Connections Have Helped. | TechrightsJan 14 04:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/StLHandyMan/status/1216917029007101954Jan 14 04:02
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@StLHandyMan: scottscontracting: https://t.co/IsedzfkgwF “…there’s a lot of stonewalling, possibly even NDAs (the secret contract… https://t.co/PtX7qL6lmgJan 14 04:02
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@StLHandyMan: scottscontracting: https://t.co/IsedzfkgwF “…there’s a lot of stonewalling, possibly even NDAs (the secret contract… https://t.co/PtX7qL6lmgJan 14 04:02
schestowitz"scottscontracting: http://techrights.org/2019/12/17/gates-secrets-gatekeeper/ … “…there’s a lot of stonewalling, possibly even NDAs (the secret contract whose secrecy itself is a secret, i.e. circular).”Techrights is doing an investigation,..."Jan 14 04:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/nanotek911/status/1216964278076481536Jan 14 06:46
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@nanotek911: @schestowitz @wikileaks ..only where there is #Shitlands influenceJan 14 06:46
schestowitz                <li>Jan 14 06:48
schestowitz                  <h5><a href="https://www.techtimes.com/articles/246863/20200113/why-should-you-use-linux.htm">Why Should You Use Linux?</a></h5>Jan 14 06:48
schestowitz                  <blockquote>Jan 14 06:48
schestowitz                    <p>But I'm not saying you shouldn't use Linux. In fact, if you're into technology at all, I recommend using Linux for a month or two just to see how it works and the things you can do with Linux. </p>Jan 14 06:48
schestowitz                    <p> But what if you're not that into tech? Don't worry, I got you covered. Here are several reasons why you should use Linux, if only for a limited time! </p></blockquote></li>Jan 14 06:48
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.techtimes.com | Why Should You Use Linux? | Tech TimesJan 14 06:48
schestowitz                <li>Jan 14 06:48
schestowitz                  <h5><a href="https://betanews.com/2020/01/13/linux-lite-48-windows7-switchers/">Windows 7 is dead -- switch to the Ubuntu-based Linux Lite 4.8 NOW!</a></h5>Jan 14 06:48
schestowitz                  <blockquote>Jan 14 06:48
schestowitz                    <p>Ultimately, using Windows 7 after tomorrow is foolish. Look, you should never use an unsupported operating system -- it is simply bad practice. If you refuse to upgrade to Windows 10, your best bet is to opt for a Linux-based operating system. There are many of those from which to choose, such as Ubuntu, Mint, and Fedora to name a few. There is one such Linux distribution, however, that is designed to run on olderJan 14 06:48
schestowitzhardware and is focused on providing a welcoming experience to Windows 7 switchers. Called "Linux Lite," it has a user interface that will feel familiar to Windows 7 users. Today, Linux Lite 4.8 is released. </p></blockquote></li>Jan 14 06:48
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-betanews.com | windowsJan 14 06:49
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1216977669381738497Jan 14 07:00
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jhamby: @schestowitz True, but I see you tweeting all those articles siding with Google vs. Oracle in the particular case t… https://t.co/sT72ObwSzqJan 14 07:00
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jhamby: @schestowitz True, but I see you tweeting all those articles siding with Google vs. Oracle in the particular case t… https://t.co/sT72ObwSzqJan 14 07:00
schestowitz"Jan 14 07:00
schestowitzTrue, but I see you tweeting all those articles siding with Google vs. Oracle in the particular case they’re talking about. Being able to copyright and prevent others from using APIs would be tragic for free software and competition.Jan 14 07:00
schestowitzEven if I might want Google & Oracle to lose.Jan 14 07:00
schestowitz"Jan 14 07:00
schestowitzIgnore the companies, focus on the precedentJan 14 07:00
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1216977951398346752Jan 14 07:01
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jhamby: @schestowitz I mean it’s not exactly cool that Google didn’t want to use the GPL version of Java that was sitting r… https://t.co/xGmW8m8ixrJan 14 07:01
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jhamby: @schestowitz I mean it’s not exactly cool that Google didn’t want to use the GPL version of Java that was sitting r… https://t.co/xGmW8m8ixrJan 14 07:01
schestowitz"I mean it’s not exactly cool that Google didn’t want to use the GPL version of Java that was sitting right there because they hated the GPL so much. That would have avoided the lawsuit entirely, and they ended up backpedaling and using the GPL-licensed OpenJDK class source files."Jan 14 07:01
schestowitzIt's still a lot more liberal than Windows Phone and iOSJan 14 07:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/lyrainfosystems/status/1216979617367519232Jan 14 07:19
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@lyrainfosystems: Facebook Open Source - 2019 Year Review! https://t.co/Lr9Lx9FZ3BJan 14 07:19
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: s://www.adweek.com/digital/facebook-shares-its-2019-year-in-review-for-open-source/ (https://t.co/ZTU5WqX9jM) "Face… https://t.co/icY2BuN607Jan 14 07:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/coverklift/status/1216983002149982208Jan 14 07:19
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@coverklift: @schestowitz @sandravogelaar Have you more details on this case...I can't find anything?Jan 14 07:19
schestowitznext part - work in progressJan 14 07:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/mtashackori/status/1216990492661026816Jan 14 08:45
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@mtashackori: هر دو از این باغ بری می‌رسد... #نرم‌افزارآزاد #مایکروسافت https://t.co/CH3hJL8DDqJan 14 08:45
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Microsoft’s Proprietary Software That Spies on Everyone ‘Does an AWS’ on Free Software | TechrightsJan 14 08:45
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/01/do-we-need-referral-to-enlarged-board.html?showComment=1578928080979#c6044290446659343887Jan 14 10:33
schestowitz"Jan 14 10:33
schestowitzI would like to agree with Max Drei, but for the same token as "purposive selection" should now belong to inventive step, why bring then the notion of "seriously contemplate" as this can as well be considered as belonging more to inventive step than novelty.Jan 14 10:33
schestowitzI always thought that early certainty was something to thrive for, and certainly for the top management of the EPO....Jan 14 10:33
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Do we need a referral to the Enlarged Board of Appeal on the novelty of selection inventions? - The IPKatJan 14 10:33
schestowitzNow we have two lines of case law, which are clearly diverging.Jan 14 10:33
schestowitzI am therefore advocating a referral to the EBA.Jan 14 10:33
schestowitz"Jan 14 10:33
schestowitz"In reply to MaxDrei, I think that the proponents of a referral have a different conceptual view of law, namely as a system where there is some correct answer "out there" to any legal question (that just needs to be divulged by the judges, the Enlarged Board in this case). This correct answer is then not affected by the pleadings of the parties or our advocacy skills, such that there is also no such thing as a premature referral. Any delayJan 14 10:36
schestowitzjust increases legal uncertainty for parties (and EQE candidates, perhaps), in this view. The epi President indeed uses "lack of clarity" a few times in his letter. Perhaps the proponents of a referral have a somewhat Dworkian view, whereas the wait-and-see attitude of the EPO fits with the Hartian view."Jan 14 10:36
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/1217092853949763585Jan 14 18:30
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: The Media’s Obligation is Not to Repeat the Lies of EPO Management, But Money Changes Things #deception #patents… https://t.co/tgFzeehZ03Jan 14 18:30
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: The Media’s Obligation is Not to Repeat the Lies of EPO Management, But Money Changes Things #deception #patents… https://t.co/tgFzeehZ03Jan 14 18:30
schestowitz"The Media’s Obligation is Not to Repeat the Lies of EPO Management, But Money Changes Things #deception #patents #Europe http://techrights.org/2020/01/14/upc-megaphones/ …"Jan 14 18:30
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | The Media’s Obligation is Not to Repeat the Lies of EPO Management, But Money Changes Things | TechrightsJan 14 18:30
social_loghttps://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/1216986007939112960Jan 14 22:48
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jsalsman: @DaveLeeBBC @DavidHyman1000 @DaveLeeFT let's talk about patents with @schestowitz and @jamie_love ?Jan 14 22:48
social_loghttps://twitter.com/jamie_love/status/1217163037716688901Jan 14 22:48
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jamie_love: @jsalsman @DavidHyman1000 @DaveLeeFT @schestowitz Let's.Jan 14 22:48
social_loghttps://twitter.com/StephenDownes/status/1217014568112807937Jan 14 22:50
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@StephenDownes: @schestowitz Extremely thoughtful and well balanced piece.Jan 14 22:50
social_loghttps://twitter.com/bansheebabe/status/1216985457097170950Jan 14 22:50
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@bansheebabe: @schestowitz And now, here's Pollyanna's take on today's primary newsJan 14 22:50
social_loghttps://twitter.com/coverklift/status/1216985150833266688Jan 14 22:51
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@coverklift: @schestowitz @sandravogelaar I will following your story... thanksJan 14 22:51
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