●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 ●● ● Aug 14 [01:50] *jacobk (~quassel@rr2rh58ht72yy.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Aug 14 [04:21] schestowitz[TR2] "Hey, Roy , just to say don't publish the draft I sent as Im going to [04:21] schestowitz[TR2] expand it and want your thoughts. "clown computing" is your word and [04:21] schestowitz[TR2] we can talk about what it means. [04:21] schestowitz[TR2] andy" [04:25] schestowitz[TR2] > Oh, it would help if I attached the file [04:25] schestowitz[TR2] Thanks, running 4 series in parallel at the moment and will get around to this one soon. ● Aug 14 [09:29] *x-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:41] *x-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@9dbcu4348vvde.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Aug 14 [10:02] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:04] *jacobk (~quassel@rr2rh58ht72yy.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Aug 14 [11:59] schestowitz[TR2]
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    Linux curl Command Tutorial for Beginners (5 Examples)
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    The curl command is a powerful and versatile tool used to transfer data to or from a server using various protocols, such as HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, and more. It stands for "Client URL" and is commonly utilized for web requests, enabling users to download files, send data via POST requests, and even interact with RESTful APIs directly from the command line. The curl command can handle a wide ran [11:59] schestowitz[TR2] ge of tasks, from simple file downloads to complex multipart forms, and is often used in scripts for automation due to its flexibility and ability to provide detailed output, making it an essential utility in a Linux environment.

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    In this tutorial, we will discuss the curl command that, among other things, lets you download stuff from the Web. Please note that examples discussed in this article are tested on Ubuntu 24.04.

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    wcurl Finds Its Place in the curl Family
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    Now, how does this tool differ from curl? In the most general terms, the key difference is its use cases. Heres what I mean.

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    • [11:59] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-linuxiac.com | wcurl Finds Its Place in the curl Family ● Aug 14 [12:47] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [12:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Aug 14 [13:53] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes ● Aug 14 [14:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Aug 14 [16:58] *parsifal (~parsifal@6thegygyadsu4.irc) has joined #techbytes [16:58] *parsifal has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Aug 14 [18:13] schestowitz[TR2] Would the two articles on junk fees be relevant to the TOS posts? [18:13] schestowitz[TR2] = [18:13] schestowitz[TR2] "White House cracks down on deceptive online practices" [18:13] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/13/biden_administration_time_is_money/ [18:13] schestowitz[TR2] = [18:13] schestowitz[TR2] "Biden targets another junk fee: subscriptions that are hard to cancel | Vox" [18:13] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.vox.com/policy/366838/biden-subscription-membership-junk-fees [18:13] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theregister.com | White House cracks down on deceptive online practices The Register [18:13] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Biden targets another junk fee: subscriptions that are hard to cancel | Vox ● Aug 14 [20:47] schestowitz[TR2] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2024/08/guestpost-court-of-appeals-latest-ai.html?showComment=1723479122228#c6493052520095047547 [20:47] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [GuestPost] The Court of Appeal's latest AI decision begs the question - what inventions are deserving of patent protection? - The IPKat [20:47] schestowitz[TR2] "The decision is correct in its result, but the reasons for it are not at all convincing. Discussing whether a neural network is a program appears rather beside the point and shows a total lack of understanding of the technique involved. On the other hand, it is more surprising that the UKIPO came up with this kind of argument.

    One thing is clear from the outset: there is no technical contribution from the invention in q [20:47] schestowitz[TR2] uestion. No effect other than the choice of similar music. Even with Aerotel this application should have been refused for lack of technical effect.

    Both in the High Courts and the Court of Appeals decisions, T 702/20 was cited. It appears that this decision was misquoted, or better, not understood. T 702/20 makes clear that A neural network defines a class of mathematical functions which, as such, is excluded [20:47] schestowitz[TR2] matter. As for other "non-technical" matter, it can therefore only be considered for the assessment of inventive step when used to solve a technical problem, e.g. when trained with specific data for a specific technical task.

    There is no technical contribution whatsoever, as the choice of music is by no means technical, and the invention was a not merely creating a program. This is confusing cause and effect [20:47] schestowitz[TR2] . The output does indeed not turn the claimed invention into a system which produces a technical effect, but the training of the neural network is not merely excluded subject matter.

    Furthermore, it does not appear that the trained artificial neural network has been described and, more importantly, that the training data for the artificial neural network has been disclosed.

    Apart from the non-technical nature [20:47] schestowitz[TR2] , there is also a clear problem of insufficient disclosure. T 161/18 made clear that in the absence of training data for a neural network, the description is insufficient.

    Much is made of inventions using AI, but in order to obtain a patent, the learning data must be disclosed. Since data is a precious commodity in the modern world, I doubt that many applicants will be prepared to disclose it.

    The High Court o [20:47] schestowitz[TR2] verturned the UKIPOs rejection of the application. The High Court was right to say that in the case of a trained artificial neural network, it is not a program as such. The High Court has however overlooked the absence of technical effect.

    In an article published in Chemistry World on August 1th by Victoria Atkinson, Disappointing Hey Hi (AI) judgment could have a catastrophic effect on UK science, it is s [20:47] schestowitz[TR2] aid that Fundamentally, [the judges] didnt understand the technology. It is difficult not to agree with this statement.

    Indeed, in view of the Common Law system, this decision might have dear, negative, consequences. One feels set back at the time of the salami tactics, the computer is known, and the program is not patentable, so nothing is patentable. Since VICOM, T 208/84 the situation has quite evolved [20:47] schestowitz[TR2] .

    Last but not least, the reasons for the exclusion of computer programs as such is a very practical one. There are many programming languages with their own peculiarities/syntax rules, and more over different versions.

    At the time, and still nowadays, it is impossible to carry out a significant search only in programs. In the early days, the EPO accepted short excerpts of programs, but the chore of the inv [20:47] schestowitz[TR2] ention had to be disclosed in plain wording.
    " [20:52] schestowitz[TR2] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2024/08/guestpost-court-of-appeals-latest-ai.html?showComment=1723552980587#c6890809147713421600 [20:52] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [GuestPost] The Court of Appeal's latest AI decision begs the question - what inventions are deserving of patent protection? - The IPKat [20:52] schestowitz[TR2] "Agreed Kant, but my point was just the simple one that we need to consider legislative intent in the process of deciding which inventions are patentable. Yes, legislative intent might be out of date, but that needs to be examined as part of the discussion" ● Aug 14 [21:20] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Aug 14 [22:12] *jacobk (~quassel@dt7mrnex4e9nw.irc) has joined #techbytes [22:26] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)