●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, November 15, 2024 ●● ● Nov 15 [00:46] schestowitz[TR2] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2024/11/guestpost-59-of-ipkat-readers-say-its.html?showComment=1731440930824#c5314342883965924080 [00:46] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [GuestPost] 59% of IPKat readers say its time to overhaul patent exclusions - The IPKat [00:46] schestowitz[TR2] "The only overhaul suggested in the post actually boils down to accept programs for computers as patentable inventions.

It has first to be reminded that the Diplomatic Revision Conference of 2000 decided that the patentability of computer programs would be left for a second basket to be dealt with by a future Diplomatic Revision Conference.

I would say that a new Diplomatic Revision Conference is a certain as [00:46] schestowitz[TR2] a Conference of Ministers of the Contracting States according to Art 4a EPC2000. A conference according to Art 4a should by now have been convened twice.

It is only by a revision of the EPC that computer programs as such could become patentable.

Originally, the reason for not allowing computer programs as such as patentable inventions, was indeed to be seen in the impossibility to carry out a significant se [00:46] schestowitz[TR2] arch. There are lots of computer program languages and it is not possible for an examiner to be aware of all of them and of their different syntax. In the 80ies and early 90ies, the EPO even allowed short excerpts of programs, but the nub of the invention had to be disclosed, not in the program, but in plain language in the description.

The case law developed by the boards of appeal of the EPO, going from Vicom to Comvi [00:46] schestowitz[TR2] k, just to name a few, has long accepted Computer Implemented Inventions.

As a patent monopoly is prima facie a technical solution to a technical problem, inventions in which a device is controlled by a program or when a method is implemented with the help of a program are more and more usual. It is just necessary to provide a connection with the real world or a specific technical effect inside a data processing machin [00:46] schestowitz[TR2] e. In order to be patentable, an invention need to involves a technical effect achieved with technical means. The requirement of technicality is thus anything but arbitrary.

Machine learning and quantum computing are perfectly patentable, provided there imply a technical effect on the real world. As far as machine learning is concerned, the problem lies more in sufficiency. In order to obtain a patent, it is not enough [00:46] schestowitz[TR2] just to disclose the correlation rules and the weighing factors of a neural network, but as the same time the learning data has to be disclosed. As data are in our modern world a precious asset, I cannot see the holder of data happily disclosing learning data.

In view of the above considerations, the need for a revision of Art 52(2) in respect of computer programs as such appear simply unnecessary. " ● Nov 15 [03:09] *jacobk (~quassel@dt7mrnex4e9nw.irc) has joined #techbytes [03:18] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:42] *jacobk (~quassel@rr2rh58ht72yy.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Nov 15 [04:44] *x-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:46] *x-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@zr4wcq3y82n62.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Nov 15 [06:56] *x-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [06:57] *x-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@zr4wcq3y82n62.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Nov 15 [08:08] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes ● Nov 15 [09:02] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:04] *jacobk (~quassel@rr2rh58ht72yy.irc) has joined #techbytes [09:35] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes [09:43] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [09:54] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Nov 15 [10:32] schestowitz[TR2] "> [10:32] schestowitz[TR2] "Microsoft 365 Copilot goes monthly for a 5% premium" [10:32] schestowitz[TR2] x https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/14/microsoft_365_copilot_monthly/ [10:32] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theregister.com | Microsoft 365 Copilot goes monthly for a 5% premium The Register [10:36] schestowitz[TR2] "Were (finally!) going to the cloud! - Meta Stack Exchange" [10:36] schestowitz[TR2] x https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/404231/we-re-finally-going-to-the-cloud [10:36] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-meta.stackexchange.com | Were (finally!) going to the cloud! - Meta Stack Exchange [10:38] schestowitz[TR2] "The 10-year journey of AWS Lambda: How Amazons serverless vision shaped the future of cloud and AI" [10:38] schestowitz[TR2] x https://siliconangle.com/2024/11/14/10-year-journey-aws-lambda-amazons-serverless-vision-shaped-future-cloud-ai/ [10:38] schestowitz[TR2] # buzzwords only [10:38] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-The 10-year journey of AWS Lambda: How Amazons serverless vision shaped the future of cloud and AI - SiliconANGLE [10:39] *parsifal (~parsifal@6thegygyadsu4.irc) has joined #techbytes [10:40] *parsifal has quit (Quit: Leaving) [10:41] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes ● Nov 15 [11:20] schestowitz[TR2]
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    • [11:21] schestowitz[TR2] [11:21] schestowitz[TR2] [11:21] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/system76-meerkat-minipc-with-13th-gen-intel-processors-and-m-2-2280-slot/ ) [11:23] *parsifal (~parsifal@6thegygyadsu4.irc) has joined #techbytes [11:23] *parsifal has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Nov 15 [12:05] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes [12:25] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [12:49] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes [12:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes ● Nov 15 [13:27] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Nov 15 [14:26] *Dalphon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) ● Nov 15 [15:05] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [15:32] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Nov 15 [16:29] *Dalphon (~Dalphon@freenode-drv.aab.2jssns.IP) has joined #techbytes [16:36] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes ● Nov 15 [17:42] schestowitz[TR2] Dedoimedo wrote on 10/11/2024 09:49: [17:42] schestowitz[TR2] > Hey Roy, [17:42] schestowitz[TR2] > [17:42] schestowitz[TR2] > The book is about 250 pages, and I can give you an epub file if you like? [17:42] schestowitz[TR2] Hi, [17:42] schestowitz[TR2] I've asked and thought about it a lot. [17:42] schestowitz[TR2] First of all, thank you for the offer. [17:42] schestowitz[TR2] A sys admin of tuxmachines - a site you have long supported - is interested in reading your book and can publish some comments on it. It may take some time to read it though. [17:42] schestowitz[TR2] Would that work? [17:42] schestowitz[TR2] kind regards and winter greetings, ● Nov 15 [18:22] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes [18:53] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes ● Nov 15 [19:21] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:32] *jacobk (~quassel@rr2rh58ht72yy.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Nov 15 [20:09] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes [20:35] *Dalphon_ (~Dalphon@freenode-drv.aab.2jssns.IP) has joined #techbytes [20:36] *Dalphon has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) ● Nov 15 [21:01] schestowitz[TR2] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2024/11/guestpost-how-european-patent-office.html?showComment=1731585114593#c5408021041540018175] [21:01] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [GuestPost] How the European Patent Office uses AI to facilitate patent searches - The IPKat [21:01] schestowitz[TR2] "I've played around with the Hey Hi (AI) search tools of a number of companies and not found them to be particularly great. The issues are:

    1) "AI search tools" that appear to just be processing your request to identify keywords and then carrying out a keyword search. You might as well just input keywords in to a keyword search.
    2) "Summaries" that appear to be just a randomly-selected paragraph [21:01] schestowitz[TR2] from the text of the patent monopoly specification.
    3) "Ask this document a question" is actually bad, since you need to actually look at what is said in context.
    4) A general inability to handle the importance of drawings being looked at alongside the text.
    5) Systems which make requests to e.g., OpenAI, resulting in them being very slow.

    AI search is a developing field, but it just isn't where [21:01] schestowitz[TR2] it needs to be to actually assist a professional searcher." [21:02] schestowitz[TR2] "It is difficult to get a patent monopoly attorney to understand patentability exclusions when their salary depends on them not understanding it. I am surprised that only 59% want to remove the computer program exclusion.

    That patent monopoly offices might not be able to search programs was not the only reason for the exclusion - https://www.wipo.int/edocs/mdocs/scp/en/scp_15/scp_15_3-annex2.pdf. Programs were seen as ab [21:02] schestowitz[TR2] stract, maths, and algorithms. There is the practical issue that if only the program per se was intended to be excluded, that only excludes something that no one in their right mind would actually patent monopoly since its scope would be far too narrow. The exclusion would be an exclusion in name only and have no teeth.

    There is mixed evidence supporting a link between patenting and innovation, especially outside pharma. [21:02] schestowitz[TR2] I am not aware of evidence that proves removing the exclusions would lead to increased innovation. There is hardly a shortage of it. Removing the exclusion primarily benefits patent monopoly attorneys. An applicant might very well want a patent monopoly for their computer program, but equally would be less keen on a competitor having one. The OSS lobby is not going to agree to this anything soon and has a powerful voice. The statu [21:02] schestowitz[TR2] s quo is that some computer implemented inventions are patentable and others are not. The line between is very clear assuming you want to see it." [21:54] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes ● Nov 15 [22:02] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Nov 15 [23:42] *x-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)