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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15706723#c443a55c-135d-5694-31c1-35b486282753 | Aug 16 18:28 |
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| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Kdevops Introduced http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127020 | Aug 16 18:28 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.tuxmachines.org | Kdevops Introduced | Tux Machines | Aug 16 18:28 | |
| schestowitz | "@Linux This is a great step forward, Wwe need to make it easier to find and confirm bugs in Debian and related packages, as once confirmed we can investigate further if 2 or more people are having the same or similar issues. Even for non programmers like me, I can still type things at the command line, send to a file and then send that file to someone to help identify issues." | Aug 16 18:28 |
| schestowitz | > Can you please all confirm you have read and understood this email. | Aug 16 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I saw it :--) | Aug 16 18:41 |
| schestowitz | I don't sick I ever took sick leave (thankfully). | Aug 16 18:41 |
| schestowitz | > i really dont know what to tell this guy. | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | > hes hung on up a feature that does nothing i need to be able to do, nor was it something i was trying to do. | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | > its like you tell him the point of the thing, and how what hes saying is beside it, and he goes right back to missing the point as well as the point about how he missed the point. | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | > "your software fails at something it isnt designed to do in the first place." | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | > i never asked any person to use this software, i wrote it for me. i didnt even make it public, i simply made it available to people if they want to use it. if they dont, i never wrote it for that purpose. is he trying to commission features? | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | > this is about the website, not the software. | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | > as i said, i can write a simple routine to do word frequencies. theres not much point in that, because theres no code to get all the urls reliably. the point wasnt to create a perfect tool, it was to help get links onto the wiki better than doing it manually. if this guy wants to create a better tool, if its trivial to do so, theres no reason he shouldnt. then since it does a better job and is fully automated, he can use it to do the wiki | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | stuff instead of me-- and thats great, ive got other stuff i can be working on. none of this is a threat or sarcastic, i mean every word as-is, no agenda here. this guy wants to do something different, theres no reason he shouldnt. im not the wiki maintainer-- im a contributor. no monopoly on the task at all. | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Just geeks being geeks... | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | > as it happens, im interested in tweaking the tool that got all the urls, so its reusable. | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:44 |
| schestowitz | > to me thats far more important than implementing features i have no use for (and frankly, that i think techrights has no use for.) | Aug 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | > word frequency isnt news at all, at best its trivia for a slow news day. | Aug 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | > the purpose of getting all the urls is for backups. | Aug 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | > it can also help with whatever this guy wants, but i dont get how someone can be so up in arms about an irrelevant feature that wasnt attempted in the first place. | Aug 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | > "you did it wrong" | Aug 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | > "it does what i need it to, thats what its for" | Aug 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | > "no it doesnt, this does" | Aug 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | > ??? | Aug 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | > all of his comments would be relevant if i was looking for other people to use this tool. | Aug 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | > it sounds like he has (or thinks he has) ideas about how to design it that are way better. | Aug 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | > this is not a tool designed for users, as i keep saying. | Aug 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | > i didnt take the time to do that. | Aug 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | > i also figured i would be redoing some of it at some point, but ive got a lot of other things im working on that are far more important to me, and the closest thing i have to a boss at techrights is you, not random comment person. my guess is that i should be grateful i dont work with any guys like this. he could be a great guy, but i cant seem to get through to him and i dont like to code for people i cant reach with a simple point. | Aug 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry about it, it's just some reader who decided to nitpick on the code. :-) | Aug 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | > just to be clear, there are two different things im working on with techrights-- | Aug 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > one is the wiki stuff, thats a low priority (there is more to clean up, i have other stuff im working on.) | Aug 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > the other is the backup. thats my high priority. i want people to be able to back up the website. that code isnt ready yet, the wiki code im happy with-- the rest is a work in progress. thats more important than the code this guy is complaining about. if someone doesnt care what the code is supposed to do even after he complains about it, then hes essentially saying "i dont care what its intended to do, it does that wrong!" | Aug 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > it really does matter what its intended to do, theres just no way around that. he wants it to do something else-- how does that help me? hes saying i should do busywork so that i can redesign code only i use to fit his misunderstanding... and he doesnt care about the misunderstanding. and hes obviously capable of fixing this (but i doubt hes interested.) | Aug 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > i dont think im being trolled but it certainly feels like i am. | Aug 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Maybe someone is jealous of you :-) | Aug 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > now t rplace now "." nl swap now t | Aug 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | > thats the line that would take care of the trailing punctuation, because i designed it to let me choose which punctuation to split words up by, and which punctuation to leave attached. | Aug 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | > that was a very deliberate decision, which this guy is making into a big deal. | Aug 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | > i designed it that way because that was what i needed at the time. | Aug 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | > i havent designed it any other way, because there is absolutely no need for it. none. whats with this guy? if he wants a program for doing something else, why doesnt he do what i did? just write one. | Aug 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I should not have entertained that remark on the code at all; but I thought it'd be fair to pass it on, anonymously. | Aug 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | > im not interested in dealing with this guy. i dont get paid to deal with one-sided conversations and unreasonable demands and insistant misunderstandings. | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | > even when im helping out, i do this for fun. i like to be useful. if you need something from me, youre more reasonable to deal with, i like doing things for you. not this guy. | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | > i think its a pissing match is what it is, whether he knows it or not. hes obviously got more text processing fu than i do-- i can do what he wants, but its going to take more of my time than his. let him do what he wants with perl or c++ or whatever is better. | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | > when im trying to prove fig is a great language, i try to write good code. when i spend hours writing code to help me automate a grueling task, it doesnt bother me when someone can make a better tool, i encourage it. | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | > but it bothers me when perfect strangers think i work for them, and im going to drop everything im doing to cater to them. | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | > i love helping people. that doesnt apply to everyone, some people ask too much. this guy asks me to care about what hes doing, but he doesnt reciprocate. thats as good a time to quit as any. i really mean it about the narcissism thing-- im rewriting that book today, and i dont have time for demanding strangers. | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | > you? i generally have time for you. if dropping everything else and redesigning something that only i use is something you need me to do today, you let me know. | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | > this guy is out of bounds. youre not, he is. all the best. | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | You can just ignore that. Like you'd ignore nuisance comments about grammar or style.... | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Re: oh and-- sorry about the email | Aug 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | > i dont think its fair (to you) for you to be in the middle of this. im just letting you know where i stand on this stuff. | Aug 16 18:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:51 |
| schestowitz | > its not your fault that this ended up in my lap. i really dislike dealing with one-sided people, i like dealing with people like you. thats my preference. | Aug 16 18:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 16 18:51 |
| schestowitz | > i know how particular stallman is. hes a lot more important than i am, but read his list of preferences for visiting sometime. we are both particular people. its a common trait among our kind. all the best. | Aug 16 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Stallman said, geeks like to do or show playful cleverness. | Aug 16 18:52 |
| schestowitz | "I didn't know that stuff can be done!" | Aug 16 18:52 |
| schestowitz | I could find the video | Aug 16 18:52 |
| schestowitz | This is what this 'prick fight' is all about here. | Aug 16 18:52 |
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