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| schestowitz | > Poor MJ is conflicted because he serves two masters. On the one hand he | Nov 16 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | > thinks himself an advocate because of his technical work, on the other | Nov 16 07:59 |
| schestowitz | > he continues to prop up the enemy. | Nov 16 07:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 07:59 |
| schestowitz | > He thinks we declared them an enemy, when the quotes (public and in | Nov 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > confidential memos) clearly paint their work as some holy war against | Nov 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > our freedom. | Nov 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > He will always be like this though, because on a certain level he is an | Nov 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > opportunist. He may take both sides very seriously, but he contradicts | Nov 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > himself wherever he goes. He doesn't have to deliberately play one side | Nov 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > against the other. That's the struggle going on with him at all times, | Nov 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > he brings it just by showing up to the party. | Nov 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > Did Ariadne seriously just suggest (even jokingly) that torrents (which | Nov 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > anybody is free-- in a technical sense but perhaps not legally in this | Nov 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > context-- to use) are "classist" with regards to Netflix? | Nov 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > Shit, I can't even afford fucking Netflix. Not only does it cost too | Nov 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > much as a service, I don't have a budget for maintaining the sort of | Nov 16 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > digital shitshow that is needed to run it. I could I suppose, get a Roku | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > box. I still don't have the money for Netflix. | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > Netflix literally restricts people from watching things by region, and | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > keeps rich executives in charge of what you are allowed to watch | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > (constantly cancelling things.) If we are talking about classism, | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > Netflix is far more bourgeoisie than torrents. | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > I do not begrudge Ariadne for being so well off that they have not only | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > forgotten what it's like to not be able to budget Netflix in (I've only | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > ever watched it with other people who could) but that apparently Netflix | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > is the relatively neutral **champion of the masses**! But it is | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > hilariously absurd. | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > Please Roy, save us from your elitist software tools! I have heard this | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > argument before in various incarnations, and it's typically not from | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > people who bump elbows with the poor as often as Stallman has. I on the | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > other hand, am a little bit more familiar with the technology used by | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > the homeless and in countries where classism is yet more brutal. | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > Ariadne: get fucking real! | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | >> but gnu/linux is an operating system for the classes, not the masses | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > Okay, Ariadne is just a fucking IDIOT. | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > The homeless shelter was fucking crippled by old Windows shitware. I | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > personally brought all their old computers online and back to WORKING | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > usability. Even Facebook worked, and it's bloated. | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > The office computer was crawling, after I installed the "for the | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > classes" OS, the volunteer in charge of the office ran out and said | Nov 16 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > "IT'S SO MUCH FASTER!" Do you know who needed classes to use the system? | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > Nobody. These were all Windows users. | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > **FUCK OFF**, Ariadne. You're talking out of your ignorant white-bread | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > asshole. | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > I probably shouldn't bother trying to explain that one of the people I | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > set up with Debian WAS a grandma. | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > She didn't care about Netflix, she was on fixed income and living in | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > income-adjusted housing. She watched the Hallmark channel on her television. | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > Open Source, corporate whores... when Netflix becomes a free service, | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > the sort of argument being made will be HALF an argument, instead of | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > none at all. | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | >> by the way, the ability to make tradeoffs is PART of software freedom | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > Whereas constant compromise and erosion and entryism deliberately KILLS | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > software freedom. | Nov 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | >> free software is most widely deployed in service to the oppressor, | Nov 16 08:03 |
| schestowitz | > incidentally | Nov 16 08:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:03 |
| schestowitz | > Jesus fuck... | Nov 16 08:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:03 |
| schestowitz | > ALL SOFTWARE is most widely deployed in service to the oppressor. | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > The oppressors have the most technology because they have most of the | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > world's wealth. No matter what sort of software exists, it's going to | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > scale that whoever owns half the world's economy is going to own half | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > the technology in it. | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > Defence contractors don't have to honour copyrights or patents either. | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > You can't use software (or licenses) to fix how much software the | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > oppressor runs. You need other kinds political reform to reduce how much | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > wealth is funneled to oppressors. That's not an easy problem at all, but | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > software won't fix that. | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > Free software removes oppression from the user's computer. It doesn't | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > remove software from oppressors' computers. It wasn't designed to, and | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > there's no reason it could. | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > But saying "free software is most widely deployed in service to the | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > oppressor, incidentally" is like saying "most organic food is eaten by | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > fat rich people". It's a completely irrelevant metric that tells you | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > nothing about the nature of the thing being measured. | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > Ariadne for example Nov 14 10:51 | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > Ariadne you think it is bad that ubuntu integrates widevine Nov 14 10:51 | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > Ariadne because DRM bad Nov 14 10:51 | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > Ariadne but the fact that they do has enabled more users to switch to | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > gnu/linux and gain freedom at large Nov 14 10:51 | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > Ariadne which was the entirety of my point really | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > Yeah and Roy, you think it's bad that Bill Gates is a criminal, when the | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > fact is that Windows is a champion of grandmas who want to watch Netflix. | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > Ubuntu's growth predates Widevine existing. The bulk of what they've | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > done has very little to do with DRM at all. If we go back not very far, | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > getting an ordinary DVD to play in Ubuntu was just as much of a pain as | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > it was on any other distro. | Nov 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | > Telnet is basically ssh without encryption. | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > So a while back I decided I wanted to create a BBS like experience by | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > having a public-facing ssh login, a generic user and password and | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > instead of running a bash command line, I just wrote a program in Python | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > and changed /etc/shells and /etc/password to the filepath of the "BBS" | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > script. It takes 5 minutes. | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > Then anybody with the user and password (you could make separate | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > accounts for everybody, that wasnt the idea though) could access any | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > features the script had. | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > Using it from ssh was just like using it directly. It did colour via | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > ansi escapes (Fig has a few lines of code for that) and got input via | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > raw_input() (in Python 3 it's just input()). | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > If I was doing this on TR I'd put it in its own container like other | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > things are, maybe chroot if necessary (I think the container makes that | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > redundant, I don't typically use those) and probably choose Lua over | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > Python, since the number of features you're going to need are around a | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > dozen-- print, input, a loop, maybe functions. | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > You can probably find a program to do this stuff for you, or a few. I | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > had more fun. You do obviously want it to be robust as possible. I never | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > trust networked input to Bash though. Use a proper scripting language. | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | We've mostly given up on the idea as almost nobody would use it. | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > I agree with Figos entirely here. | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > I've seen this so many times that I have come to recognize it as _the_ | Nov 16 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > preferred rhetorical device. First confound the domain you are talking | Nov 16 08:07 |
| schestowitz | > about. Then shift that domain solely onto your field of endeavor, and | Nov 16 08:07 |
| schestowitz | > then you win. | Nov 16 08:07 |
| schestowitz | > I've stated before that some people prosper precisely because they | Nov 16 08:07 |
| schestowitz | > straddle the fence. This way they can present themselves leaning one | Nov 16 08:07 |
| schestowitz | > way or the other as the situation sees fit. As long as they seem | Nov 16 08:07 |
| schestowitz | > sincere, this works like a charm. | Nov 16 08:07 |
| schestowitz | > Ah, I've seen _this_ argument many times also. If someone is sincerely | Nov 16 08:07 |
| schestowitz | > trying to appeal to the common man, where better to hit them than with a | Nov 16 08:07 |
| schestowitz | > charge of "elitism"? We see this in the Green Party all the time. | Nov 16 08:07 |
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