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schestowitz> Is there a public, even partial list of IBM front groups?Oct 17 04:38
schestowitzNo, but we could make a list. OFE, IPO etc.Oct 17 04:38
schestowitzThere aren't many I can think of.Oct 17 04:38
schestowitz> -------- Forwarded Message --------Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz> Subject: Re: [sed-users meta] Yahoo Groups going away and the sedOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> mailing list?Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 09:42:32 -0700Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz> From: Daniel Goldman dgoldman@ehdp.com [sed-users]Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz> <sed-users@yahoogroups.com>Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz> Reply-To: sed-users@yahoogroups.comOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> To: sed-users@yahoogroups.comOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> CC: Sven Guckes <guckes@guckes.net>Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz>Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz> Thanks very much for posting, since the deadline is coming soon.Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz>Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz> flame on :(Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz> I had long feared something like this happening, even worse that any dayOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> the site might crash and all the old content disappear, with no warning.Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz> The basic problem is that yahoo is and has long been a cr** company. ForOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> some reason, most yahoo software has always been (IMO) poorly designedOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> and glitchy. For example, yahoo email has always had many problems, IOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> know from personal experience. My best guess is this is related to "theOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> dumbing down of the American programmer", with "let's try clicking onOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> this" or "maybe this will work" style. Just the opposite of sed, whichOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> is oriented to the programmer who is in control of the software andOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> knows what he/she is doing. Marisa Meyer taking over made things evenOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> worse, but maybe it was too late anyway. Then there was the huge userOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> data breach, incredibly incompetent on the part of yahoo. Finally, yahooOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> was sold off and is apparently continuing to deteriorate. It is pitifulOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> yahoo has to cut way back a working groups system. Even the announcementOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> concerning the change is a bit vague. For example, the term "uploadOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> content" is poorly defined. They should spell out *exactly* what isOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> going on.Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz> flame off :)Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz>Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz> Despite the vagueness, it seems clear that all old posts will go awayOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> (Dec 14) and that posting to online interface will go away (Oct 21). ItOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> also seems there will still be an online interface, where someone mightOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> ask to join, but no posting to an online form.Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz>Oct 17 04:41
schestowitz> Maybe this is an opportunity. The yahoo groups software has never beenOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> that good anyway. I have previously mentioned this. 1) It displays lineOct 17 04:41
schestowitz> breaks differently (looks bad) depending on whether an email post orOct 17 04:42
schestowitz> post directly to site. 2) More seriously, it has been documented to getOct 17 04:42
schestowitz> confused about certain "odd" character sequences used in sed but notOct 17 04:42
schestowitz> normally used in English words. :( This is extremely bad. I don'tOct 17 04:42
schestowitz> remember the exact details, but I remember 100% this has happened. IOct 17 04:42
schestowitz> think this perhaps even happened in one of the previous two threads.Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz> ********* Sven, or whoever is current admin, do you have a way toOct 17 04:42
schestowitz> automatically download all the archived content? I think it is veryOct 17 04:42
schestowitz> useful to save, one way or another we *must* save it, because there areOct 17 04:42
schestowitz> many good examples and insights in the content.Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz> ********* Sven, or whoever is current admin, is there another platformOct 17 04:42
schestowitz> we might migrate to? Or stick with email-only group? Or other preferredOct 17 04:42
schestowitz> course of action? Any other thoughts or reflections?Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz> If there is no response or good answer to the above two questions, IOct 17 04:42
schestowitz> will see what I can do. But it would be better for the admin to lookOct 17 04:42
schestowitz> first, because they *might* have an easier way to download the content,Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz> and probably know more about all this than I do.Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz> DanielOct 17 04:42
schestowitz>Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz> On 10/16/2019 7:44 AM, Tim Chase sed@thechases.com [sed-users] wrote:Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>> It's a little less dire than I initially thought since the emailOct 17 04:42
schestowitz>> portion may still linger:Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>>Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>>>> Will I be able to use Yahoo Groups going forward?Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>>>Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>>> You'll still be able to communicate with your groups via email andOct 17 04:42
schestowitz>>> search for private groups on the site. In addition, admins willOct 17 04:42
schestowitz>>> continue to have limited access to group settings and administrationOct 17 04:42
schestowitz>>> tools.Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>>Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>> but it sounds like this mailing-list is on life-support at this point.Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>>Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>> -timOct 17 04:42
schestowitz>>Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>>Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>>Oct 17 04:42
schestowitz>> On 2019-10-16 09:39, Tim Chase wrote:Oct 17 04:43
schestowitz>>> Hey,Oct 17 04:43
schestowitz>>>Oct 17 04:43
schestowitz>>> Just saw this todayOct 17 04:43
schestowitz>>>Oct 17 04:43
schestowitz>>> https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.htmlOct 17 04:43
schestowitz>>>Oct 17 04:43
schestowitz>>> and it sounds like this mailing list will be going kaput and quiteOct 17 04:43
schestowitz>>> soon at that.  Are there plans to migrate it (and possiblyOct 17 04:43
schestowitz>>> historical messages) elsewhere?Oct 17 04:43
schestowitz>>>Oct 17 04:43
schestowitz>>> -timOct 17 04:43
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