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schestowitz>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tQw75-vlDISep 18 00:27
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | Unearthing the History of Unix: Warner Losh - YouTubeSep 18 00:27
schestowitzHe's mostly reading.Sep 18 00:27
schestowitz>> However, I'm not sure how the notice at the beginning complicates theSep 18 00:27
schestowitz>> fact that it has been published via Youtube.Sep 18 00:27
schestowitz>>Sep 18 00:27
schestowitz>> I'll keep an eye open for more.  Interesting and good videos tend to beSep 18 00:27
schestowitz>> rather sporadic at best.Sep 18 00:27
schestowitz>>Sep 18 00:27
schestowitz> Or this one:Sep 18 00:27
schestowitz>Sep 18 00:27
schestowitz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTShQIXSdqMSep 18 00:27
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | OpenBSD for 1.5 Years: Confessions of a Linux Heretic - YouTubeSep 18 00:27
schestowitzI'll add both to Daily Links as they're recent...Sep 18 00:27
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schestowitz> https://wiki.tuhs.org/doku.phpSep 18 18:14
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-wiki.tuhs.org | start [Unix Heritage Wiki]Sep 18 18:14
schestowitz>Sep 18 18:14
schestowitz>Sep 18 18:14
schestowitz>   The Unix Heritage WikiSep 18 18:14
schestowitz>Sep 18 18:14
schestowitz> The Unix operating system has provided a highly flexible and functionalSep 18 18:14
schestowitz> computing environment to users and programmers since 1969. Today itsSep 18 18:14
schestowitz> descendants (the BSDs) and a clean-room implementation (Linux) powerSep 18 18:14
schestowitz> everything from embedded devices, desktops, servers through toSep 18 18:14
schestowitz> supercomputers.Sep 18 18:14
schestowitz>Sep 18 18:14
schestowitz> This wiki aims to collect the available historical documents andSep 18 18:14
schestowitz> recollections of Unix into one central place so they can be studied bySep 18 18:14
schestowitz> researchers and Unix enthusiasts alike.Sep 18 18:14
schestowitz>Sep 18 18:14
schestowitz> Systems <https://wiki.tuhs.org/doku.php?id=systems:start>Sep 18 18:14
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-wiki.tuhs.org | systems:start [Unix Heritage Wiki]Sep 18 18:14
schestowitz> Details of some of the versions of UnixSep 18 18:14
schestowitz> Source code <https://wiki.tuhs.org/doku.php?id=source:start>Sep 18 18:14
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-wiki.tuhs.org | source:start [Unix Heritage Wiki]Sep 18 18:14
schestowitz> How to obtain the source code, and licensing conditionsSep 18 18:14
schestowitz> Features <https://wiki.tuhs.org/doku.php?id=features:start>Sep 18 18:15
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-wiki.tuhs.org | features:start [Unix Heritage Wiki]Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> Important features of UnixSep 18 18:15
schestowitz> Timeline and Events <https://wiki.tuhs.org/doku.php?id=events:start>Sep 18 18:15
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-wiki.tuhs.org | events:start [Unix Heritage Wiki]Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> A timeline of Unix and the major events in its historySep 18 18:15
schestowitz> People <https://wiki.tuhs.org/doku.php?id=people:start>Sep 18 18:15
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-wiki.tuhs.org | people:start [Unix Heritage Wiki]Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> Some of the people involved in Unix' historySep 18 18:15
schestowitz> Interviews, Musings & AnecdotesSep 18 18:15
schestowitz> <https://wiki.tuhs.org/doku.php?id=anecdotes:start>Sep 18 18:15
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-wiki.tuhs.org | anecdotes:start [Unix Heritage Wiki]Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> Interviews with Unix people and their own musings & anecdotesSep 18 18:15
schestowitz> Images, Photos & Videos <https://wiki.tuhs.org/doku.php?id=images:start>Sep 18 18:15
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-wiki.tuhs.org | images:start [Unix Heritage Wiki]Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> Images, diagrams, photos and videos related to UnixSep 18 18:15
schestowitz> Glossary <https://wiki.tuhs.org/doku.php?id=glossary:start>Sep 18 18:15
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-wiki.tuhs.org | glossary:start [Unix Heritage Wiki]Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> A glossary of terms related to UnixSep 18 18:15
schestowitz> Publications <https://wiki.tuhs.org/doku.php?id=publications:start>Sep 18 18:15
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-wiki.tuhs.org | publications:start [Unix Heritage Wiki]Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> Books, magazines, papers, websites etc. on UnixSep 18 18:15
schestowitz> Miscellaneous <https://wiki.tuhs.org/doku.php?id=misc:start>Sep 18 18:15
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-wiki.tuhs.org | misc:start [Unix Heritage Wiki]Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> Miscellaneous information about UnixSep 18 18:15
schestowitz> Wiki Notes <https://wiki.tuhs.org/doku.php?id=wiki:start>Sep 18 18:15
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-wiki.tuhs.org | wiki:start [Unix Heritage Wiki]Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> Notes about the rationale of this wikiSep 18 18:15
schestowitz>Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group.Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> <http://www.unix.org/trademark.html>Sep 18 18:15
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.unix.org | UNIX Trademark -- The UNIX System -- UNIX Trademark UsageSep 18 18:15
schestowitz>Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> /If you would like edit permissions on this wiki, contact Warren./Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> although we can check the date on your unix video, we know it was 1973Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> at the earliest because february 73 was when the unix pipe wasSep 18 18:15
schestowitz> implemented-- as part of version 3 unix.Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz>Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> it was doug mcilroy who pushed for it in unix, ken thompson whoSep 18 18:15
schestowitz> implemented it as pipe() and it was also ken thompson who is creditedSep 18 18:15
schestowitz> with choosing | as the syntax (for version 4, later that same year.)Sep 18 18:15
schestowitzI thought that video was 1982.Sep 18 18:15
schestowitz> Given the past half a dozen messages you sent me, I think you can potentially put together a post. I'm terrified of covering UNIX as I'm far from familiar. It's a lot older than me. I am still learning what predates me.Sep 18 18:17
schestowitzre > Given the past half a dozen messages you sent me, I think you can potentially put together a post. I'm terrified of covering UNIX as I'm far from familiar. It's a lot older than me. I am still learning what predates me.Sep 18 18:17
schestowitzre 79unixSep 18 18:17
schestowitz>> I thought that video was 1982.Sep 18 18:26
schestowitz>Sep 18 18:26
schestowitz> Could be. But 1982 is also later than 1973. Like I said, you can checkSep 18 18:26
schestowitz> the date (I think it's at the end) but because it has UNIX pipes, itSep 18 18:26
schestowitz> couldn't be older than 1973. Not a revelation, just amusement.Sep 18 18:26
schestowitz>Sep 18 18:26
schestowitz> That Bell phone with the pushbuttons is a lot like the previous modelsSep 18 18:26
schestowitz> with rotary dials. That was the most 80s-looking thing there. ThoseSep 18 18:26
schestowitz> PDP-11s on the wall probably weren't new, they had relied on those for aSep 18 18:26
schestowitz> while. I'm sure they're a job to get out the door anyway.Sep 18 18:26
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schestowitz>>>>> I'll keep an eye open for more.  Interesting and good videos tend to beSep 18 18:33
schestowitz>>>>> rather sporadic at best.Sep 18 18:33
schestowitz>>>> when I started watching the latest thing about GNOME (an hour after itSep 18 18:33
schestowitz>>>> was published) I wrote down the start time (8:20 IIRC) but as I watchedSep 18 18:34
schestowitz>>>> it I cringed a bit with the Trump-like language. I don't think it'sSep 18 18:34
schestowitz>>>> suitable for TR. Would be a liability. Other segments were equallySep 18 18:34
schestowitz>>>> unhelpful.Sep 18 18:34
schestowitz>>> Yeah, I hope he is able to stay focused on the technology and theSep 18 18:34
schestowitz>>> software freedom.  However, maybe I cut him too much slack on deviatingSep 18 18:34
schestowitz>>> from that course because of two factors.  The first is that it is allSep 18 18:34
schestowitz>>> but impossible for people in the US to be exposed to truthful politicalSep 18 18:34
schestowitz>>> news unless they go out of their way.  The other is that young people inSep 18 18:34
schestowitz>>> his age have more or less grown up exposed to social control media andSep 18 18:34
schestowitz>>> can't tell up from down and have no means to learn it.  So for those twoSep 18 18:34
schestowitz>>> reasons, I was cherry picking the GNOME segment.  He has a break of twoSep 18 18:34
schestowitz>>> weeks, so we'll see how he does then.Sep 18 18:34
schestowitz>>Sep 18 18:34
schestowitz>> When he says "SJW" and "virtue signalling" the way he does I just seeSep 18 18:34
schestowitz>> ESR and move right on.. don't want to associate with those dogwhistles.Sep 18 18:34
schestowitz>Sep 18 18:34
schestowitz> Probably, but then what does one call an "SJW" or use to describeSep 18 18:34
schestowitz> "virtue signalling"?  They are both real problems.  We'll see how heSep 18 18:34
schestowitz> does after his break.  At the worst, he might be bringing the idea ofSep 18 18:34
schestowitz> software freedom to a wider audience.Sep 18 18:34
schestowitzThe terms he uses are associating oneself with the very weapon used to discredit the argument.Sep 18 18:34
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