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| schestowitz | https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/XQECS42TCPU3TK7HICFY6S6E4TD2NPMA/ | Oct 20 02:30 |
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| schestowitz | " | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Ar 10/19/20 3:41 PM, scríobh Daniel Pocock: | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | ... | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is listed on the top donors page[1] of the FSFE | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | You could take that up with Red Hat. It's not relevant to Fedora. | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | ~m | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | 0 / 0 | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Reply | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz |  Daniel Pocock | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | 2:49 p.m. | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Oct 20 02:30 | |
| schestowitz | On 19/10/2020 21:43, Máirín Duffy wrote: | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | ... | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | It is a bit like Coronavirus. | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | You can't just say "let's eliminate infections in Fedora but we don't | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | have to test the Red Hat employees" | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Achieving the excellent standards that people aim for requires a | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | consistent approach across organizations, especially when Red Hat and | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Fedora are so close. | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Regards, | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Daniel | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | 0 / 0 | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Reply | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz |  Ben Cotton | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | 2:54 p.m. | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Oct 20 02:31 | |
| schestowitz | Like Máirín said, the sponsorship is from Red Hat, not Fedora. This is | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | off-topic for the council-discuss mailing list. | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | -- | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Ben Cotton | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | He / Him / His | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | 0 / 0 | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Reply attachment | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz |  Máirín Duffy | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | 2:57 p.m. | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Oct 20 02:31 | |
| schestowitz | Ar 10/19/20 3:49 PM, scríobh Daniel Pocock: | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | ... | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Taking issue with an organization that is *two* jumps away from Fedora | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | (Fedora => Red Hat => FSFE) is *not* the same as taking issue with an | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | organization that is *one* jump away and directly related (Fedora => Red | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Hat.) If you have concerns about Red Hat's involvement with FSFE, then | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is the appropriate organization to address. | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Your rationale would apply if FSFE was not two hops away. In the same | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | way, to continue your analogy - under pandemic guidance in a number of | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | regions and countries, if you were in *direct* contact with an infected | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | individual (*one* hop away), you must quarantine, but you do not have to | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | quarantine if you were in contact with an individual who was in direct | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | contact with an infected individual (*two* hops away.) That is how | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | contact tracing works. | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | ~m | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | 0 / 0 | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Reply | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz |  Daniel Pocock | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | 3:13 p.m. | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Oct 20 02:31 | |
| schestowitz | On 19/10/2020 21:57, Máirín Duffy wrote: | Oct 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | ... | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | My metaphor was valid but a technical analysis doesn't feel helpful. | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | When it comes to leadership, people look at the big picture. | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | For example, if your doctor tells you to stop smoking and then you see | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | him smoking outside the pub, it undermines what he told you. He can't | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | just say "I'm at the pub so its off topic now" | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Regards, | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Daniel | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | 0 / 0 | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Reply | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz |  Ben Cotton | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | 3:16 p.m. | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Oct 20 02:32 | |
| schestowitz | On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 4:14 PM Daniel Pocock <daniel(a)pocock.pro> wrote: | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | ... | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | The Fedora Council does not make decisions for Red Hat. This is | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | off-topic and there is no need for further discussion of the matter on | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | this list. | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | -- | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Ben Cotton | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | He / Him / His | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | 0 / 0 | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Reply | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz |  Chris Punches | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Monday, 19 October 3:20 p.m. | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Oct 20 02:32 | |
| schestowitz | That said, it's not a code of conduct if its primary function in | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | application is to create divides and alienate non-compliant entities. | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Was its purpose ever anything but that? | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | -C | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | On Mon, 2020-10-19 at 22:13 +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | ... | Oct 20 02:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 20 02:32 |
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| schestowitz | > ============================================================================== | Oct 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | > Donate now to save Europe from Software Patents!, says FFII | Oct 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | > ============================================================================== | Oct 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | > Dear signatories of the Unitary Software Patents petition, | Oct 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | > We are writing to you in order to crowdfund a Constitutional Complaint in | Oct 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | > Germany in order to prevent Software Patents via the Unitary Patent Court | Oct 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | > (UPC). Although the UK has left the agreement in July, this Court will install | Oct 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | > software patents accross Europe with its jurisprudence by using the well known | Oct 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | > loopholes of "as such" and "technical effect". | Oct 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | > We are trying to have an informed debate in the Bundestag, but there is a high | Oct 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | > chance that our concerns (patent trolls, patent law outside of CJEU) will be | Oct 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | > ignored. | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > We intend to file a Constitutional Complaint with a lawyer, but for this we | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > need a 30K EUR budget. | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > We are asking you or your company to donate for this cause as soon as | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > possible: | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > https://ffii.org/donate-now-to-save-europe-from-software-patents-says-ffii/ | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > We are using FFII France for Donations, but Donations via FFII UK are also | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > possible: | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > http://ffii.org.uk/ | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > We can issue a receipt for companies that make a substancial donation. | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > We hope British companies will also us to achieve a real free european market | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > without software patents. | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > Best regards, | Oct 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | > I had been reading this one... | Oct 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/18/the-freedom-to-offend-is-a-priceless-commodity | Oct 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU | Oct 20 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | > I had been reading this one... | Oct 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/18/the-freedom-to-offend-is-a-priceless-commodity | Oct 20 22:26 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theguardian.com | The freedom to offend is a priceless commodity | Kenan Malik | Opinion | The Guardian | Oct 20 22:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU | Oct 20 22:26 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | In full: Rowan Atkinson on free speech - YouTube | Oct 20 22:26 | |
| schestowitz | > If you find a lot of stories loading at once, it's not an attack, it's a | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > stupid browser. | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > Usually open all in tabs doesn't actually try to load every page; it | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > simply loads the tabs. The pages load one at a time as they receive focus. | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > Usually. So if they start actually trying to load more than 100 tabs at | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > once, that's not expected. But that doesn't mean it won't happen. | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > Steps will be taken to prevent this, but at least for the next week or | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > so, it could happen occasionally. There are already mitigations in | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > place, but they should not be assumed reliable. It could still happen. | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > Not sure whether it will affect your side; duration is typically for a | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > minute or less. | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > First noticed immediately prior to sending this, just giving a heads up. | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > The lineup of tabs is not expected to remain this way for a very long | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > time. You probably won't notice. | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Something related to this around 6am today, will be in IRC logs tomorrow. | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Someone opened many pages at once, getting errors. | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | > Wow, Deb Nicholson sold out hard after betraying rms at LibrePlanet. | Oct 20 22:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:37 |
| schestowitz | > Deb Icaza? | Oct 20 22:37 |
| schestowitz | They keep giving FSF awards to people who bash RMS, inc. de Raadt. | Oct 20 22:37 |
| schestowitz | People are not predictable. Enough of these silly awards. | Oct 20 22:37 |
| schestowitz | >> It looks like I pasted the wrong URL, both in there and in my notes. No | Oct 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | >> idea why that happened, but I cannot find the URL it was supposed to be. | Oct 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > Florian Snow posted it in the LWN thread and then deleted it | Oct 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > It looks like they are removing blatant things like that because they | Oct 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > appear extreme without evidence | Oct 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > So they leave low-level smears that can't be argued with | Oct 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > Did you definitely see it in Daniel Lange's blog though? Did he write | Oct 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > it himself or did somebody else write it in a comment? | Oct 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | I have checked my notes again. I used this link twice, once correctly in "daily howtos" (today's howtos) and once incorrectly, as above, so it was likely a copy-paste malfunction rather than something Lange posted. And, regarding comments, it was def. not a comment. I never link to comments. | Oct 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | It was around that day that lots of people posted snide remarks, possibly motivated by LWN (in part). Maybe it was in Planet Debian somewhere. | Oct 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19238841#672c5730f4c50138c917047d7b62795e | Oct 20 22:45 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Ongoing (Albeit Secret) Campaign of #Patent #Extortion Against #GNU / #Linux Distributions Using Software Patents, Even Expired Ones in #Europe http://techrights.org/2020/10/19/oin-is-mia-again/ | Oct 20 22:45 | |
| schestowitz | "Without evidences this article looks a bit fictional… 🤔" | Oct 20 22:45 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Ongoing (Albeit Secret) Campaign of Patent Extortion Against GNU/Linux Distributions Using Software Patents, Even Expired Ones in Europe | Techrights | Oct 20 22:45 | |
| schestowitz | No, I know the person and the distro, but cannot name them yet | Oct 20 22:45 |
| schestowitz | "just the usual mind puke from spamowitz…" | Oct 20 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for the complement, "hackbyte" | Oct 20 22:45 |
| schestowitz | > OK, thanks for that feedback | Oct 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | > It sounds like if Lange wrote something, he may have simply been copying | Oct 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | > it from Florian Snow in blind stupidity rather than due to any | Oct 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | > conspiracy to use that word. | Oct 20 23:00 |
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