●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, March 22, 2024 ●● ● Mar 22 [00:04] schestowitz " [00:04] schestowitz Be careful to document any speculation made in posts. [00:04] schestowitz On the phone, don't offer information but do try to draw out with [00:04] schestowitz open ended questions, avoiding yes/no questions [00:04] schestowitz I expect that there will be a lot of doubletalk from them" [00:15] *jacobk (~quassel@6wygwq2t5e2hw.irc) has joined #techbytes [00:25] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:58] *x-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@qezxp5nudz5uq.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Mar 22 [02:08] *x-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:54] *jacobk (~quassel@6wygwq2t5e2hw.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Mar 22 [03:07] schestowitz Where i... http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2024/03/discrepancies-in-description-should-be.html?showComment=1710954685987#c6324959285903349327 [03:07] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Discrepancies in the description should be amended in line with the claims, but do not affect interpretation of the claims (T 0447/22) - The IPKat [03:07] schestowitz "@ Anonymous of 20.03.2024 at 09:23:00 GMT

Where is there any arrogance to be seen in the fact that the BA of the EPO has come to a conclusion which does not correspond to that of another court and of an expert mandated by this court. The courts are independent from each other and they are perfectly entitled to come to different conclusions on the same case. This goes in both directions.

When it comes to the valid [03:07] schestowitz ity of a claim, the last word lies with the BA after appeal in opposition. This is how the European Patent system has been conceived. It might not correspond to the views of a national court, but that is how it is.

A national court might conclude to infringement, but once the BA has decided to revoke the European patent monopoly or to maintain it in amended form, this decision is applicable in all contracting states of the E [03:07] schestowitz PC in which the European patent monopoly has been validated.

I would also like to observe that a BA does not have to resort to an expert opinion as it is always composed of two technical and one legal member. This is not the case in German courts only composed of legal members.

I find the conclusion of the BA much more convincing than that of the German courts supported by an expert opinion. The protruding parts [03:07] schestowitz cannot be considered as steering device. The protruding parts are simply allowing the device to follow the course of the pipe and cannot do anything else.

The steering device can, as stated by the BA, change the direction of travel. This is the more so as the protruding parts and the steering device were defined in separate features of claim 1.

For the surplus, I have commented T 447/22 in another blog. " [03:07] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2024/03/guest-post-dramatic-reversal-in-crispr.html?showComment=1710968554120#c8691645548604443763 [03:07] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [Guest post] Dramatic reversal in the CRISPR Broad Institute cases following G 1/22 - The IPKat [03:07] schestowitz "In fact, G 1/22 explicitly states that ex post tra...

In fact, G 1/22 explicitly states that ex post transfer of priority rights would be allowed under the EPC (see Reasons 100 and 114), in case that a presumption of entitlement exists on the date on which the priority is claimed. The rebuttal of the presumption must also relate to this date, and that later developments cannot affect the rebuttable presumption [03:07] schestowitz " (see Reasons 109).

Based on this logic, the BoA concluded that, as being retroactive, an at least implicit transfer agreement by way of the settlement of the inventorship dispute would relate to this date, and confirmed the presumption on entitlement to exist on this date.

OK. But does this mean that, if, based on disagreement, a party has already created facts, these facts can be undone by a later settleme [03:07] schestowitz nt that is then construed to imply that the earlier disagreement did not exist? Here is what happened:

(i) Mr Marraffini has assigned his priority rights on inter alia P1 and P2 to Rockefeller University on that 12 Dec 2013 (i.e., one year after the earliest priority date) (assignment recorded at the USPTO under Reel 032309, Frame 0575).
(ii) Rockefeller filed a non-provisional application that same day, as well as a P [03:07] schestowitz CT application PCT/US2013/074611 (published as WO2014093595), claiming the priority of inter alia P1 and P2.
(iii) As recorded by a letter to the USPTO, Broad wasnt happy with this step, claiming that Rockefellers submission was not authorized by Broad, and that Marraffini was not a legitimate inventor.

As a result, the BoA envisaged that it would remit the case to the 1st instance for further negotiation.
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So, is it really true that the ex post transfer of priority rights, which the BoA deemed allowable, can be based on a presumption that the entitlement of such transfer existed already on 12 Dec 2013, i.e., the date on which the priority was claimed?

Point taken, but considering the patent monopoly is eventually maintained - what does this all change, now, for those interested in using the technology, and asking themsel [03:07] schestowitz ves who to apply for a license?

Well, not much. The licensing situation in the US remains unaffected by this decision, while in Europe, CVC still has the earlier priority date (25. May 2012 vs. 12. Dec 2012), and has claims that encompass the application in eukaryotes (see e.g., CVCs EP280081B1, which was found, in 1st instance, to sufficiently enable claims related to the use in eukaryotes, because combinations with NLS [03:07] schestowitz (nuclear localization sequences) would be known from ZFN and TALEN, and a combination thereof with CRISPR would be in the routine of the skilled artisan. This case is in appeal though and oral hearings will take place in Oct 2024).

So, the recent decision does not make it easier for those who what to use the technology - but probably not more difficult either." [03:45] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Mar 22 [04:49] schestowitz Harvey scheduled this latest story for 2024 (leap year). [04:49] schestowitz http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/ [04:49] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-tobkes.othellomaster.com | Harvey Tobkes ● Mar 22 [05:22] schestowitz I didn't tell John about it, but I got a check from the car finance company. They said it was overpaid by $801 so they made a check out to me. [05:22] schestowitz He made off with $11,000 after they paid the car loan off. And yeah, he gave me $2200 of it. [05:22] schestowitz But yeah. [05:22] schestowitz Now he's doing some class action against Kia demanding another $4,000 for himself. [05:22] schestowitz Kia didn't bother to put any antitheft systems in and then they had that "car theft challenge". [05:22] schestowitz DaemonFC: yesterday i saw a kia van [05:22] schestowitz very large [05:22] schestowitz for a korean [pun] [05:22] schestowitz i recalled all the issues [05:22] schestowitz locking [05:23] schestowitz spontaneous fires [05:23] schestowitz can't figure out why people in the uk buy these [05:23] schestowitz we have our european car brands [05:23] schestowitz and they don't try and fail at "smart" things [05:25] DaemonFC You mean they try and fail because they're made in Europe. [05:25] DaemonFC And if you insult the people who made it, they can have you arrested by Scotland. [05:26] DaemonFC France is horrible. [05:26] DaemonFC The UK is so-so. [05:26] DaemonFC Canada is just Discount UK. [05:26] DaemonFC Canadians need to be invaded. They really do. [05:27] DaemonFC They need to be invaded and have a proper legal system inflicted on them, like Japan was. [05:27] DaemonFC After five years or so, we leave them to it, but only sort of. [05:28] DaemonFC Trudeau can be arrested and tried for crimes against human rights. [05:29] DaemonFC Including expression, assembly, speech, religion, and the free press. [05:30] DaemonFC Like Saddam Hussein only a little different. [05:36] schestowitz wow [05:36] schestowitz some "ideas" right there [05:36] schestowitz standup comedy by ryan ● Mar 22 [07:09] schestowitz
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