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| schestowitz | >> BSD only takes us further away from freedom. | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > incorrect. setbacks are better than dead end streets. | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > bsd is a setback. linux is a dead end street. ive written about this lots of times. | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > alpine is not better than bsd in any way at all. nothing against alpine, linux is the problem there. | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > hyperbola is the only fsf-approved distro doing ANYTHING about the problems of the past 5 years. thats not the basis of my argument, though it should certainly provide a clue. | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > years ago i wanted bsd as an option. i talked to rms about it-- do you know any fully-free bsd? he said no. thats when i found librebsd. github, looks mostly dead-- sometimes gets updates. | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > i told him about it-- at the time no updates, so he said if its not actively maintained it doesnt count. enter hyperbola. | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > alpine and tinycore are not fsf-approved. the fsf should be warning against systemd. | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > what is your solution? youre watching gnu/assholex die. | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > im still using it, but bsd is the only way forward. | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > it should not the only way forward, there should be more than one. | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > i dare you to find another. go ahead. | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > ive looked. youll find god before you find an alternative, mr atheist. alternatives to bsd are like that magic teakettle business. | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > of course hyperbola is better-- bsd is a step in that direction. | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > but again... alpine is not better. nor is debian. who are you kidding, really? | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > nothing personal, but "bsd only takes us further away" is a truism, nothing more (at this point). | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > its a setback. thats not exactly the same as what you said. | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > it only takes us further from where we WERE-- not from where we are. the rest is, i honestly think-- you being in denial. | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > since i find that hard to believe, i would sooner think i misunderstood you. alright, but thats what you get for leaning on a one-liner truism that frankly, ignores the situation we are in. cheers. | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | You misunderstood me. On that you are correct. You also interpret my 8-word reply as a personal insult. | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > im still going to write the article iwas planning to write today, but it shouldnt surprise you. ive written a lot about bsd already, even in that book. | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | > bsd was never my first choice. my first choice is now owned by microsoft, along with its authors. id sooner throw my equipment into a volcano than stick with assholex. | Aug 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | BSD is arguably more in bed with Microsoft than GNU and Linux are. Techrights covered this many times about 5 years ago. | Aug 22 01:40 |
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| schestowitz | >> BSD only takes us further away from freedom. | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > i was going to write that article anyway, but with this it probably doubled the length. after submitting it i still have a few things to say to you about it. | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > i dont know what you think the real alternative is, but ive spent years looking for it. as to whether that matters, yes if we are using anything at all (you are) then it certainly matters if what youre using is more free-- i mean in real terms, terms ive explained in countless articles, so you know what mean when i say "free in license only". and for a gnu/linux distro (which doesnt use gnu, not even glibc, making it tenuous to call | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | it that) alpine isnt bad-- but what do you think the long-term difference between alpine and bsd is? | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > ive already stated that (in my opinion) the linux kernel has no future. if thats my position, i feel obligated to find an alternative. if i think bsd is our best bet long term, i should be trying to run it when possible. | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > the fact that the TWILIGHT of the linux kernel has some hypothetical (or just symbolic) advantages over bsd isnt a reason to not try bsd as an alternative. im excited about running bsd-- im excited about hyperbola, im not as excited about freebsd per se. | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > but im already familiar with windows, reactos, haiku, freedos (not free, never will be) dosemu (not free, never will be) gnu/linux (not free, never will be again) and darwin and kfreebsd (not relevant, never will be). as well as hurd (guix-holes.) | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > free/net/openbsd are the area where i have the least experience and the most interest in doing research. | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > as for github, its a fact that github touches this side of the free software world as well. its a lot more trouble to stay outside the bsd world and investigate it from afar. i can get a far better idea how much github (thats MICROSOFT you know) holds sway over bsd vs gnu/linux if im using it, but either way im tired of IBM, which you post about all the time. | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > my definition of freedom is the 4 freedoms plus the fifth from peter boughton, and you cant boycott corruption without less corrupt alternatives. | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > you cant find out whats less corrupt without measuring it, and bsd has done a lot to resist red-init. | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > so i consider this important. but you tell me "BSD only takes us further away from freedom." | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > ignorance has taken us farther than anything, and im still working to get information that can help with that problem. | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > im investing hardware and loads of time in it too, and i dont get how you can read the things ive written and tell me "BSD only takes us further away from freedom." | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > i mean ive done as much research on this as practically anybody. | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > the people i would EXPECT to be outclassed by in terms of sheer amount of trouble gone to on this matter are you and the hyperbola team. | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > thats the most annoying thing about it. on the one hand, you ought to know more about this than i do. | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > but you havent actually SAID anything. thats pretty annoying, frustrating to say the least. | Aug 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > im sure youve got more important things to worry about, i do too. its not like it sours me on you, i dont need to take back anything ive said that was good or supportive. | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > this is a minor thing indeed. its just irksome, thats all. | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > if youve got a better idea, buddy, its your turn to say what it is! i read a LOT of your stuff too, and ill be honest-- i dont think youve got a better idea. | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > but id be sincerely interested in hearing it out, if you did. you know? | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > theres a fallacy where someone says "hey, if you dont like it, you should have a better idea". maybe this is that-- maybe it isnt. considering that your solution is also inadequate (or maybe you think yours will suffice-- i sure dont) youre really making a COMPARISON here. youre comparing too things. | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > i think at that point, asking you to defend the alternative is not a fallacy. but i digress. | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > im still enjoying the research, ill get over your dismissive comment im sure. but its been several hours, and its (obviously) going to take longer than that. | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > i meant all that was said in the article, including the "dont worry about it" parts. dont worry about it. when i said its just irksome, i was being very literal. when i said ill get over it, that too was literal. well ok, "get over it" is a figure of speech, but i think you know what i mean. | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > you know me, if i rant i probably have a reason-- or a misunderstanding. one of those. just bringing you into the picture on that one. all the best. | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | All the ranting was based on a colossal misunderstanding. It's even worse because it's text only, so I have no idea how you read those words. | Aug 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > freebsd is another story, but after seeing what it takes to mount a fucking ext2 partition in openbsd, i might actually be comfortable with the wholesale liquidation of the complete and entire human race. | Aug 22 01:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 01:47 |
| schestowitz | > if the amish have proven anything, its that they cant be trusted with this. they use cell phones now. no, better safe than sorry, wipe out the entire planet earth. it beats the alternative. | Aug 22 01:47 |
| schestowitz | From what I can gather, OpenBSD is only suitable for servers unless you're an OpenBSD guru and want to dogfood that on your desktop. | Aug 22 01:47 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I opened my email this morning only to catch up with articles as you complain I read email only once a day. | Aug 22 01:47 |
| schestowitz | It's only now that I catch up with the rest of the emails (less urgent or time-sensitive) | Aug 22 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | >> Someone wrote on 21/08/2020 09:03: | Aug 22 07:16 |
| schestowitz | >>> "While the goal is to hold the LibrePlanet 2021: Empowering Users in | Aug 22 07:16 |
| schestowitz | >>> person in the Boston area, the coronavirus pandemic may still prohibit | Aug 22 07:16 |
| schestowitz | >>> large-scale gatherings, so our conference planning will incorporate the | Aug 22 07:16 |
| schestowitz | >>> possibility of an online conference like the one we held in 2020. As | Aug 22 07:16 |
| schestowitz | >>> such, we will consider applications for remote only sessions, like all | Aug 22 07:16 |
| schestowitz | >>> others, with the intent of integrating quality sessions into the schedule." | Aug 22 07:16 |
| schestowitz | >>> | Aug 22 07:16 |
| schestowitz | >>> https://my.fsf.org/lp-call-for-sessions | Aug 22 07:17 |
| schestowitz | >>> | Aug 22 07:17 |
| schestowitz | >>> figosdev ought to write up something. | Aug 22 07:17 |
| schestowitz | >>> | Aug 22 07:17 |
| schestowitz | >> I will pass it to him. | Aug 22 07:17 |
| schestowitz | >> | Aug 22 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > The topics he covers are important and he writes them up quite well. The | Aug 22 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > LibrePlanet online conference would be a way of engaging more people, | Aug 22 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > presumably those already positively inclined towards the topics. | Aug 22 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > Actually since the conference could be online, you might also consider | Aug 22 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > something. It would not be necessary to travel. | Aug 22 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > However, one important reason for conferences is to get the speakers all | Aug 22 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > together in one place at the same time so they can exchange ideas. | Aug 22 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > That's not going to be an option for a long while. | Aug 22 07:17 |
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| schestowitz | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24222728 | Aug 22 10:04 |
| schestowitz | ' You are free to step back from any job offering if you think you got unfair advantages but to expect it from others is where your elevated perspective falls short. On the other points we just need to disagree. " | Aug 22 10:04 |
| schestowitz | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24222728 | Aug 22 10:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 22 10:04 |
| schestowitz | Thank you, that article has the original transcript in full and shows that it is fake news - I quote directly from your link: | Aug 22 10:04 |
| schestowitz | "And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly." | Aug 22 10:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 22 10:04 |
| schestowitz | >> The author later disappointed me in relation to another book he did. | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | > i wasnt exactly enthralled with him from the bio, though most of it was readable. | Aug 22 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | >> In the US the term often means something like gun ownership and marching | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | > with guns to the federal buildings. | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | > for historical reasons that i dont find 100% illegitimate. i think its funny that 240 years later, brits still dont get it. but that doesnt mean i agree entirely with esr, either. i mean, i largely agree with esr on this. but i think his take on it is a bit vapid and superficial. sort of like the right idea for the wrong reasons-- my overall opinion of esr is pretty low. | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | > the confluence of the vapid side of libertarianism (with lawrence lessig on the other end of the spectrum) and republican nutjobs results in people doing stupid things that make all libertarians look less intelligent. but make no mistake-- most people are idiots, and they come in every political flavour. its mostly a question of "what kind of idiot?" | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | > therefore most demonstrations of libertarianism are fairly idiotic. its like that with christians too-- help your fellow humans, dont be a superficial asshole! youve seen how that turns out. but its the nutters that get the most time on the air (russell peters talks about this wrt arabs-- hes a canadian of indian descent, he gets mistaken for being arab by idiots-- he says that the only arabs that get screentime are the ones yelling | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | about killing americans. the only arab i ever knew was an arab christian. in arabic, the word for "god" is "allah"-- god is an english word, in arabic its "allah". thats the word arab christians use. but then you have completely idiot christians in the usa who think allah is the muslim god, and a "false god"-- again, these are people who cant pick up a book.) | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | > im just saying, the biggest idiots from any group of people get the most airtime. thats why bryan lunduke will always have his derpy face recognised. | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | >> We've agreed on all that -- that Linux is in peril; in fact, I think | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | > some aspects of this you learned from techrights. | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | > you dont need to worry about me pretending i invented techrights or invented arguments that preexist my articles. sure ive said these things for a long time, but apart from having zero interest in co-opting anything im not stupid enough to pretend i was the first to say something that google can prove wrong in 5 minutes of work. | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > im not saying thats where you were going with that, but i thought id mention it. i first read techrights around 2010. i stopped following it for several years, no particular reason that i can think of-- but a lot of the things i say i am saying to put those ideas BACK out there, not to introduce them for the first time. | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > i often mention this in articles. | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | >> There is. On both sides. I misunderstood you and, you in turn, | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > misunderstood what I meant. I was a bit shocked you took it so harshly. | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > It was intended to be how we have friendly debates. And don't always | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > agree on everything, which is a perfectly normal thing unless we've both | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > victim of the same cult. | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > i think the "never agreed" part and the part about black duck was the part that i took the most personally. i know ALL ABOUT misunderstandings, ive been in a fair number of relationships (im also divorced) but i cant begin to figure out how you got the idea that i "never agreed" on copyleft. i would say i agree far more than i disagree. | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | >> https://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/annual-reports/2019.pdf | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > im guessing this is pocock. i still like what hes doing, though personally i can tell that involving myself with him directly is fruitless. which is alright, not all allies have to be mates. | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > i really never thought debian would do anything like this. then again, i didnt think the fsf would either. there are so many lessons in non-profit corruption. | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > and despite the thing i said about usa law, you shouldnt forget that dumb things the usa does are often copied by other countries-- right down to the very worst examples. i really wish this werent so. it would make for a better world. but not only am i familiar with a lot of dumb things the usa does, as time goes on i get more familiar with analogues from other countries-- including england and including lots of europe. | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > its not because im eager for usa to lose its "dumbest country" crown. i can think of a couple contenders, but i just dont care. its because im always looking for the least-stupid place on earth, and ive been working on that for years. | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > the world is pretty fucking stupid, and i mean that culturally. | Aug 22 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | >> RMS did not expect an overnight success. The important thing is staying | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > in it... for the long fight/haul. | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > the whole thing is going backwards now. | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | >> To understand this article you need to see the IRC log, esp. the | Aug 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > exchange between Aridiane and I. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > i skimmed it, i dont get the connection, but i believe it. i mean just that fact that theres a reason makes me feel a little better about it. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | >> It almost died before it even got started. We're closer now to success | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > than we are to failure. Ask Tom. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > ill continue to ask tom. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | >> But success is relatives. How did the Hippies fare...? | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > indeed. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | >> Hey, did you use gnu/linux like I did 20 years ago? Do you realise how | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > "TRULY SHITTY" the experience was? I could barely even play multimedia | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > files. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > i used tomsrtbt around 2000 and red hat and mandrake prior to 2003. i tried pygmy, tried to find monkey (monkey was conceptually halfway between pygmy and puppy) and found dospup (pup4dos?) within the next few years. the first version of ubuntu i tried was breezy (2005 maybe?) when i finally successfully migrated to dsl and xubuntu in 2007, i deleted my last copy of windows. soon i was trying trisquel (via sugar on a stick <- fedora | | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | -> trisquel with sugar) and learning python-- thanks to sugar. ive known python for at least 10 years. i first coded in the mid 80s. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | >> And no, we did have binary blobs and stuff back then too. And they | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > rarely even worked! | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > when i was really getting into gnu/linux, i was using the 2.x kernel and 3.x existed. theres no real line (kind of arbitrary) between 2.x, but when i used 2x i was still trying to hunt down usb keys that worked, and when i started using 3.x that task became trivial. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > i also recall when it was a big deal that atheros wireless was now supported. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > i bought a random usb wifi device around 2007, which i couldnt get to work on any of the non-freeish distros i used. the first distro that lit it up and got on the network was trisquel. ive mostly used only-free kernels for about as long as ive coded in python. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > void was a free kernel-- i stopped using it because github. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > devuan was a free kernel-- i stopped it because devuan is hopeless (dyne:bolic would likely be better, if roio ever brought it back. i still support dyne politically as an organisation. my favourite org is facil.) | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > debian is a free kernel-- i stopped because debian is fucking evil now. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > before debian i was using trisquel, and occasionally tinycore. ive wanted a free kernel for tinycore for that long. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > i bought the dsl book, by the tiny core author (robert shingledecker) and john somebody or other. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > they had major differences over dsl. when i told shingledecker (who is very for-real about keeping with the gpl and about source code, which is one of the major differences he had with john) that i bought the book, he recommended then-new tiny core to me. i stopped using it when i switched to debian, but ive grabbed it a few times in a pinch. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > alex is a damned fool for not trying to make a free version of it. a damned fool. it is EXACTLY what gnu/linux needs. | Aug 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:28 |
| schestowitz | > gnu/lin-ex, though. hooray if they find a way out of this trap. but there are many, many more that the old guard just doesnt GAF about. their option. | Aug 22 11:28 |
| schestowitz | >> let's hope we can focus on our real enemies. Being divided among ourselves would be the REAL tragedy. | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > the truth is we are all divided already. tom has used bsd longer than i have, though hes in love with some part of freebsd (a feature of it) and im like "freebsd, code of corruption/censorship/other things that start with c/nooooooooooooooooo" | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > then freebsd gets a slightly less terrible coc, i get tired of fiddling without trying bsd for the first time in years, i try a few bsds (most are github-based, no thanks) and ive narrowed it to freebsd and openbsd now. | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > dragonfly has alleged awesome features, none of which interest me (i tried it anyway. its like freebsd with all the drawbacks i hate about openbsd.) | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > these are superficial evaluations, the only that can be made in this timeframe. i find myself liking freebsd (what tom and i disagreed on) the most, though i still have another idea for openbsd. ive downloaded about 5 or 6 or 7 bsd things and installed 3 or 4, written others, used most of them. | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > this is a major divergence for tr and figosdev. i didnt expect it to be, i expected it to be smaller. i wont say im in love with bsd, its more like an affair with a lover so average, why would you even bother? | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > but it would possibly beat lifelong celibacy. or corporate castration. | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > ALL the options have problems in that regard. large ones. im evaluating this stuff, like i do. | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > there is a way-- i believe-- for all of us to find something in common between us. the thrive guidelines were not at all an idle fling. theyre a description of what i think we can do to make it so we are all working together, even separately. when i re-read them months later, i believed/believe in them just as much as when i wrote them. | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > theyre not just an ideal, theyre a description of what i believe i am doing, with regards to the movement. its something everybody can be part of if they want to be. particularly rms. particularly you and me. even people who know very little about this stuff because theyre totally new. | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > i am not hopeful. i look around, and the people i have real hope about are in the single digits. | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > waiting for that number to get bigger-- if it does. | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > i still believe in facil and denis roio. and dyne-- but NOT devuan. | Aug 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > as for everybody else, time will tell. one year of fake fsf coming up in a little over 3 weeks. the 11th by olivas watch, the 16th by date of resignation. | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > i think the response to the ousting was mostly for the movement to fall apart. not too surprising-- it really wasnt built to outlast him. | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > it still could be-- but theres a difference between could and will. only one of those can be said right now. i am not hopeful. | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Any BSD would come under the same attack -- financial COC and cancellation -- if it got the same traction as Linux. Nothing stops that from happening. There are many ways to cancel de Raadt for example... | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Let's think what strategy we need here; it's not simple. I don't have clear answers right now.... | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | >> The topics he covers are important and he writes them up quite well. | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > thats nice. i get very few compliments and when i believe theyre sincere (i usually do, but ive gotten them from fake people too) i appreciate them. i doubt this one is insincere. | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | >> The LibrePlanet online conference would be a way of engaging more people, > presumably those already positively inclined towards the topics. > > | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > ...whatever that means. | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | >> Actually since the conference could be online, you might also consider > something. It would not be necessary to travel. > > | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > i presume they mean you. i wouldnt contribute to libreplanet if they paid me to. | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | >> However, one important reason for conferences is to get the speakers all > together in one place at the same time so they can exchange ideas. > That's not going to be an option for a long while. | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > if the goal is to exchange ideas, their relationship with the exchange of ideas seems to be deeply strained by their relationship with fucking traitorsn who suppress the exchange of ideas. | Aug 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | > the strongest things i have to say about libreplanet are in the book chapter on the coup-- the ONLY reason ive ever considered going was to protest policies that have played out in the deepest and most substantial treachery against rms and free software itself. im absolutely disgusted with libreplanet. but ive been sceptical of it for years. | Aug 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | > they give awards to the worst traitors and they themselves are traitors. | Aug 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | > though the leaders of hyperbola still likes it. hes too good for lp imo, though so was rms and he (foolishly) supported it. | Aug 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | > there is ONE and ONLY one remotely "nice" thing i can say about libreplanet, and its tenuous. | Aug 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | > if libreplanet got in a fight-to-the-death with copyleftconf, i would root for libreplanet the entire time. | Aug 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | > but after they won, i wouldnt bother staying to find out of they were okay. i do not care, at all. libreplanet is a goddamned farce and a pox on the free software movement. | Aug 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | > The add-ons (GPIO LED + active buzzer, LED array) below would be very | Aug 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | > useful in system alerts, the rest of the unit could be used for many | Aug 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | > other things at the same time. They are small but far from being toys. | Aug 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | > For what it's worth, Barrier is available for them. | Aug 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | At the moment I have 3 dual-head laptops, so I think another motherboard would be excess. For voice notifications we currently use nagios/icinga with nagstamon (Python-based) at work, with visual (on screen) notifications and distinct sounds. Making the thing beep (audiable alert) when the sites are down is something you have set up; for me, well... I watch a screen to my side occasionally. Never thought about converting CLI to sounds. | Aug 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Possible somehow, even using the terminal software (e.g. Konsole). | Aug 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | > The prices on the basic Raspberry Pi 4 came down earlier this year. So | Aug 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | > revisiting a desktop setup, mostly as a hypothetical exercise, a starter | Aug 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | > kit would cost £ 94.20 excluding shipping. The Raspberry Pi 4 can drive | Aug 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | > two displays at the same time. | Aug 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | So can a laptop I get second-hand for 100 ;-) | Aug 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | And the laptop has battery, so is portable (I rarely take advantage of this portability) | Aug 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | > I checked with The Pi Hut support staff and they would not answer either | Aug 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | > way about whether I could purchase one from here and have it shipped to | Aug 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | > directly your address. | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, that would be awesome. TBH, with 5 laptops already here we don't really need any more hardware at this time. The power bills aren't so high, either. | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > -- | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > Core Unit | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > Basic RPi4 w/ 2GB RAM | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b?variant=20064052674622 | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > Coupé case | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > https://thepihut.com/products/pibow-4-coupe-case-for-raspberry-pi-4b?variant=20452597661758 | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > UK power supply | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-psu-uk?variant=20064004505662 | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > Micro-SD card with installer software | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > (recommend Raspberry Pi OS, formerly Raspbian) | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > https://thepihut.com/products/noobs-preinstalled-sd-card?variant=30582045905 | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | I tried installing barrier again... yesterday on one old laptop, but it lacks qt5 and I wasted 3 hours trying to force it on that (it's not in the repos). For now I use 3 mice, but two might do as Barrier has connected two machines OK. | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > Video Cabling (HDMI + VGA) | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > 2 x Micro-HDMI to HDMI adapter | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > https://thepihut.com/products/235mm-micro-hdmi-to-hdmi-adapter-cable?variant=31985788977214 | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > 2 x HDMI-to-VGA adapter | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-hdmi-to-vga- | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > convertor?variant=19679705284 | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | I would need to buy two more monitors for that and I lack space on my desk to put them :-) | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > Notification / Interaction (for service monitors) | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > GPIO LED & Buzzer Board | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > https://thepihut.com/products/jam-hat?variant=20063104892990 | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > APA102 LED array | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > https://thepihut.com/products/blinkt?variant=21227165444 | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > -- | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > shipping within UK: | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > Royal Mail: £ 2.99 | Aug 22 11:48 |
| schestowitz | > Royal Mail Tracked: £ 3.99 | Aug 22 11:49 |
| schestowitz | > DHL Express (Excl Weekends): £ 5.99 | Aug 22 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Maybe keep that as an option for now. | Aug 22 11:49 |
| schestowitz | This morning I spent 1-2 hours rearranging the desk again (it's worth it as that's like 1-2% of the time spent per week on the desk, doing actual stuff). | Aug 22 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I can think of a use for another machine (and where to place it). | Aug 22 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | >> At the moment I have 3 dual-head laptops, so I think another motherboard | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | >> would be excess. For voice notifications we currently use nagios/icinga | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | >> with nagstamon (Python-based) at work, with visual (on screen) | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | >> notifications and distinct sounds. Making the thing beep (audiable | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | >> alert) when the sites are down is something you have set up; for me, | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | >> well... I watch a screen to my side occasionally. Never thought about | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | >> converting CLI to sounds. Possible somehow, even using the terminal | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | >> software (e.g. Konsole). | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | >> ... | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > At the simplest, the aplay utility is useful for doing pre-recorded | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > sounds. More dynamic sound alerts can be generated but using aplay to | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > read an audio file can be done from a shell script. | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I used to have those for mail and IRC, but at some stage I realised they were coming to metastasise as a distraction like phone notifications. | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > Myself, I'm often away from the computer but still home so audio and | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > visuals are helpful. However, I've decommissioned a lot. Some hardware | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > is dying and I am moving some of the functionality to Raspberry Pi, but | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > still looking for something capable. | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | This is why I thought, wait till one (more) of my machines dies... and not the main one. I would not use raspi as a main workstation. | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | >> ... | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | >> Maybe keep that as an option for now. | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > Ok. The technology there is advancing rapidly so there is little harm | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > in waiting further. | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Rianme's machine seems to be in not too good a state. It beeps every now and then. A Lenovo. Not sure what the beeps mean. Looked it up. No clue... | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Some are as long as 3-second beeps. | Aug 22 21:51 |
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