●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, April 23, 2024 ●● ● Apr 23 [01:15] *parsifal has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:18] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:19] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Apr 23 [02:33] *jacobk (~quassel@b6cmzuyau3uv2.irc) has joined #techbytes [02:37] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Apr 23 [03:34] *SaphirJD has quit (connection closed) [03:47] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [03:47] *jacobk (~quassel@skdysgiaygtcc.irc) has joined #techbytes [03:53] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Apr 23 [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] > Be sure to always include the police report numbers. [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] > As mentioned, the case numbers should be forwarded to the ISP in these messages so that your reply has more weight than just his word against you two. [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] + [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] Translating latest Stjerna FOIA leaks [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > Hi, [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > Would you have time to translate the latest Stjerna leaks? [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > There is nice infos on what arguments were in his complaint from 2017, [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > notably the parallelism with the Benelux Court of Justice for [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > trademarks. [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > I started to do OCR with Tesseract, and some translations with Google [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > Lens, do you know any floss tool that could translate from German to [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > English? [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > Best, [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] Good that this leaked out. [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] It cannot be done properly by a machine, needs a person fluent in both German and English and knows some legal/patent stuff. Does FFII not have several? [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > There was Harmut, but he is not active anymore. [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] > I could try to ping him though... [04:55] schestowitz[TR2] He is the one I was going to name and suggest. ● Apr 23 [05:49] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Apr 23 [06:30] *jacobk (~quassel@skdysgiaygtcc.irc) has joined #techbytes [06:52] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Apr 23 [10:19] *jacobk (~quassel@32hz32it3ih2k.irc) has joined #techbytes [10:38] schestowitz[TR2] "Art from a long-dead civilization springs back to life with augmented reality" [10:38] schestowitz[TR2] x https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2024/04/art-from-a-long-dead-civilization-springs-back-to-life/ [10:38] schestowitz[TR2] # tied to snapchat [10:38] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.harvard.edu | Art from a long-dead civilization springs back to life with augmented reality Harvard Gazette ● Apr 23 [14:08] *schestowitz-TR2 has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [14:08] *acer-box has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [14:08] *acer-box__ (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #techbytes [14:08] *schestowitz-TR2 (~acer-box@v2x87byxv2p3s.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Apr 23 [15:01] *parsifal (~parsifal@uuar9r28yasyu.irc) has joined #techbytes [15:48] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Apr 23 [16:00] *jacobk (~quassel@hqipcnw2u5ica.irc) has joined #techbytes [16:18] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:27] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@j9gt2haw74jrk.irc) has joined #techbytes [16:29] *jacobk (~quassel@hqipcnw2u5ica.irc) has joined #techbytes [16:33] *parsifal_ (~parsifal@uuar9r28yasyu.irc) has joined #techbytes [16:33] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:33] *von (~von@cpjmm6rhe929q.irc) has joined #techbytes [16:34] *XFaCE has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:34] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:34] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes [16:34] *parsifal has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:34] *Moocher5254 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:34] *Moocher5254 (~quassel@6i8ckjmvfhgyw.irc) has joined #techbytes [16:38] *Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). [16:39] *Now talking on #techbytes [16:39] *Topic for #techbytes is: Welcome to the official channel of the TechBytes Audiocast [16:39] *Topic for #techbytes set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:21:34 2021 [16:39] *tokwe_ (~tokwe@v2x87byxv2p3s.irc) has joined #techbytes [16:39] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@v2x87byxv2p3s.irc) has joined #techbytes [16:39] *Techrights-sec2 (~quassel@v2x87byxv2p3s.irc) has joined #techbytes [16:39] *pi (~quassel@v2x87byxv2p3s.irc) has joined #techbytes [16:41] *pi is now known as techrights-sec3 ● Apr 23 [17:17] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:17] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:18] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes [17:32] *jacobk (~quassel@32hz32it3ih2k.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Apr 23 [18:54] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Apr 23 [19:37] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [19:37] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes [19:40] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:43] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Apr 23 [20:00] *psydroid2 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) ● Apr 23 [22:05] *jacobk (~quassel@99ed6ukzxymmc.irc) has joined #techbytes [22:07] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:07] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes [22:15] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:16] *jacobk (~quassel@99ed6ukzxymmc.irc) has joined #techbytes [22:37] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:38] *jacobk (~quassel@99ed6ukzxymmc.irc) has joined #techbytes [22:50] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Apr 23 [23:40] schestowitz[TR2] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2024/04/upckat-court-of-appeal-gives-guidance.html?showComment=1713696711180#c5371956452825471142 [23:40] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [UPCKat] Court of Appeal gives guidance on change of language request - The IPKat [23:40] schestowitz[TR2] "As far as languages before the UPC are concerned, there is more than a change of language to that in which the patent monopoly has been granted which is to be considered.

Even if the language of the proceedings before the EPO is adopted, the question of simultaneous interpretation during the hearing=OP remains.

According to R 14 UPC, even if the parties themselves have chosen to use an additional language [23:40] schestowitz[TR2] of the EPO as the language of proceedings, the judge-rapporteur may order in the interest of the panel to provide that judges may use in the oral hearings the official national language(s) of the country where it is situated. In case the official language is used over the chosen language, each order and decision shall be accompanied with a certified translation for enforcement.

Simultaneous interpretation can be request [23:40] schestowitz[TR2] ed and the judge-rapporteur will decide on the request or even order simultaneous interpretation for the oral hearing, see R 109 UPC.

Costs for simultaneous interpretation are costs of the proceedings, and hence the losing party will have to bear the costs, up to the ceilings in place, cf. R 155-157 UPC.

It was noted in the blog that If a party suspects that some of the judges on the panel will not underst [23:40] schestowitz[TR2] and the nuances of the case, they are free to file translations of their submissions and organise simultaneous translation at the hearing. In view of R 109 UPC, it might be doubted that a party might simply turn up at the hearing with its own interpreters. The judge rapporteur might query the qualification of those interpreters. In any case, providing translations of submissions implies extra costs, and those costs will have to [23:40] schestowitz[TR2] be borne by the losing party.

Contrary to opposition proceedings before the EPO, where the EPO bears, in general, the costs for simultaneous interpretation in the two other official languages, this is not the case at the UPC.

It was heralded by staunch supporters of the UPCA that the language problem would be solved with the upcoming of the UPC. The present decision and preceding ones on change of languag [23:40] schestowitz[TR2] e show clearly that this is not the case. When looking at the language regulations for hearings before the UPC, the situation can end up in a nightmare and lots of costs for the losing party.

It is thus very nice that the CoA of the UPC has decided on the possibility of changing the language of proceedings, but that this can induce a large amount of costs has never been made clear when the UPCA was ratified.

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