●● IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Sunday, May 23, 2021 ●● ● May 23 [00:13] schestowitz " [00:13] schestowitz Okay.. So, just watched your 20-min video, and seems like you didn't care enough to spend a few minutes on searching for the controversies surrounding PIA. Kind of disappointing. You just had to check HN and Reddit for a quick rundown. [00:13] schestowitz https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21584958 (with sources) [00:13] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Do we have a potential VPN criminal conglomerate? | Hacker News [00:13] schestowitz https://teddit.net/r/Windscribe/comments/dyzeey/do_we_now_have_a_potential_vpn_criminal/ (same post with more comments) [00:13] schestowitz It's obviously not my job to criticize yours or do your job for you for that matter, but here I am trying to be helpful, since you've been posing as someone aiming to be neutral on the freenode situation. The things below are certainly not hard evidence that unquestionably prove any wrongdoings by PIA but they discredit your claim of PIA being or had been in the past free of controveries. Actually they are one of the more controversial [00:13] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-teddit.net | Do we now have a potential VPN criminal conglomerate? : Windscribe [00:13] schestowitz VPN providers. [00:13] schestowitz 1. The controversy around the no-log proof: [00:13] schestowitz 1.1. https://archive.is/6y0Wu - This links to a thread of the now nuked forum of PIA. Pay attention to what the user "jbis" had to say. You can dismiss this as just an argument about semantics, but in my opinion it exposed how PIA tried to distort the facts for marketing purposes. You can also find links to the actual court documents in that thread, they're still up. There were other similar threads about this issue on that forum which [00:13] schestowitz went deeper and touched other very related topics, but they got locked quickly and completely taken down later. [00:13] schestowitz 1.2. An AirVPN forum user (there might be a conflict of interest here, not sure), "larky" compiled a post about the events here: [00:13] schestowitz https://airvpn.org/forums/topic/23959-private-internet-access-caught-lying-about-their-no-logging-statements/?do=findComment&comment=66323 [00:13] schestowitz Especially see the paragraphs which start with "According to an ex-PIA employee" and grep for "proprietary methods." [00:13] schestowitz 2. The controversy around PIA/Andrew taking shots at ProtonVPN and NordVPN [00:13] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 500 @ https://archive.is/6y0Wu ) [00:13] schestowitz To be quite honest, rasengan made some good comments about those companies, most of them seemed to be fairly well substantiated, but I cannot ignore the possible intent which very likely was to harm the competition. [00:13] schestowitz HN thread - https://archive.is/VMKxI [00:13] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-airvpn.org | Private Internet Access caught lying about their no-logging statements - Off-Topic - AirVPN [00:13] schestowitz Reddit thread - https://archive.is/6N0Km [00:13] schestowitz 3. The controversy around selling PIA to Kape Technologies and hiring Mark Karpeles [00:14] schestowitz 3.1. One of the founders of Kape Technologies is Teddy Saggi, some Israeli forex billionaire who has investments in gambling and online advertising among other ventures and who spent 9 months incarcerated for fraud and bribery. Kape Technologies used to be in the online advertising business under the name Crossrider which distributed literal malware in their browser add-ons and was rebranded as a cybersecurity company in 2018. [00:14] schestowitz https://blog.malwarebytes.com/detections/pup-optional-crossrider/ [00:14] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Sagi [00:14] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 500 @ https://archive.is/VMKxI ) [00:14] schestowitz 3.2. Mark Karpeles is the ex-CEO of Mt.Gox. [00:14] schestowitz https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-15/former-bitcoin-baron-mark-karpeles-gets-suspended-jail-term [00:14] schestowitz " [00:14] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 500 @ https://archive.is/6N0Km ) [00:14] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-blog.malwarebytes.com | PUP.Optional.Crossrider - Malwarebytes Labs | Malwarebytes Labs | Detections [00:14] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Teddy Sagi - Wikipedia [00:14] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.bloomberg.com | Former Mt. 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[06:37] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/gy_sh1n/status/1392558153292820480 [06:37] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@gy_sh1n: Oooooh! #dragonflyBSD #BSD #UNIX #FOSS https://t.co/FUIVnHjCEe [06:37] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@tuxmachines: DragonflyBSD 6.0 Released https://t.co/CVW5Cch2X1 [06:37] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/XfceNation/status/1391677770284027905 [06:37] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@XfceNation: @rjdohnert @akai11nj @DistroWatch @tuxmachines @linuxdotcom @xfceofficial @Category5TV @linuxjournal @FoxNews https://t.co/2GU2dZxyXt [06:37] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@XfceNation: @rjdohnert @akai11nj @DistroWatch @tuxmachines @linuxdotcom @xfceofficial @Category5TV @linuxjournal @FoxNews https://t.co/2GU2dZxyXt [06:37] schestowitz__ " [06:37] schestowitz__ If you are looking to host your ISOs on bittorrent, our friends at [06:37] schestowitz__ @FossTorrents [06:37] schestowitz__ can help with that. [06:37] schestowitz__ " [06:38] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/librerydia/status/1391615848427577344 [06:38] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@librerydia: Freespire in the Linspire period had many customizations over KDE3 which greatly improved the overally usability, a https://t.co/D8aj9BLIce [06:38] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@librerydia: Freespire in the Linspire period had many customizations over KDE3 which greatly improved the overally usability, a https://t.co/D8aj9BLIce [06:38] schestowitz__ " [06:38] schestowitz__ Freespire in the Linspire period had many customizations over KDE3 which greatly improved the overally usability, and the custom KDE theme/color/etc. looked pretty neat IMO. [06:38] schestowitz__ By contrast I fail to see any reason to choose the current versions of Freespire over vanilla Ubuntu. [06:38] schestowitz__ " [06:38] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/Mikael_Arling/status/1390373739456573440 [06:38] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Mikael_Arling: @tuxmachines [06:39] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/librerydia/status/1387983245472526346 [06:39] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@librerydia: though I somewhat agree with RMS on this point (secure boot is indeed used on some ARM devices as a restriction but https://t.co/2m5tFNFliQ [06:39] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@librerydia: though I somewhat agree with RMS on this point (secure boot is indeed used on some ARM devices as a restriction but https://t.co/2m5tFNFliQ [06:39] schestowitz__ " [06:39] schestowitz__ [06:39] schestowitz__ Rydia [06:39] schestowitz__ @librerydia [06:39] schestowitz__ [06:39] schestowitz__ Apr 30 [06:39] schestowitz__ though I somewhat agree with RMS on this point (secure boot is indeed used on some ARM devices as a restriction but on current PCs it's just a hassle) - it's NOT being 'used' to prevent users from installing ubuntu in this case. [06:39] schestowitz__ assuming ill intents definitely sounds unhealthy. [06:39] schestowitz__ Quote Tweet [06:39] schestowitz__ |" [06:39] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/librerydia/status/1387966308914843651 [06:39] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@librerydia: secure boot anti-feature is easy to disable and I could not understand the reason to pay Microsoft to sign the boot https://t.co/fiwobikvVp [06:39] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@librerydia: secure boot anti-feature is easy to disable and I could not understand the reason to pay Microsoft to sign the boot https://t.co/fiwobikvVp [06:39] schestowitz__ "secure boot anti-feature is easy to disable and I could not understand the reason to pay Microsoft to sign the bootloader (just to make it 'easier' for unskilled users...? but if user can change boot order in BIOS settings they should be able to disable secure boot)" [06:39] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/PeterStoun/status/1387753014320979970 [06:39] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@PeterStoun: @tuxmachines Tnx. [06:40] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/0xFreak71/status/1386302983361683461 [06:40] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@0xFreak71: @tuxmachines No good. KDE and Deepin are much more beautifull, xfce can be but isnt by default (I use it), KDE is b https://t.co/PI9WWWlkTR [06:40] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@0xFreak71: @tuxmachines No good. KDE and Deepin are much more beautifull, xfce can be but isnt by default (I use it), KDE is b https://t.co/PI9WWWlkTR [06:40] schestowitz__ "No good. KDE and Deepin are much more beautifull, xfce can be but isnt by default (I use it), KDE is by far the more rich and complete environment. Missing, i3/sway which are favorite at #unixporn and much more of oldest like fvwm." [06:41] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/gy_sh1n/status/1383161731610992641 [06:41] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@gy_sh1n: Devuan linux is free of systemd :) #devuan #gnulinux #initfreedom #nosystemd Devuan 4.0 Alpha now available https://t.co/hEbzIrs4wH [06:41] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@gy_sh1n: Devuan linux is free of systemd :) #devuan #gnulinux #initfreedom #nosystemd Devuan 4.0 Alpha now available https://t.co/hEbzIrs4wH [06:41] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/PeterStoun/status/1382804884416761857 [06:41] schestowitz__ "Why this? Mah... | ProtonMail is one of the best secure email services out there. Recently, in an announcement, ProtonMail has made it accessible for all users for free." [06:41] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@PeterStoun: @tuxmachines Why this? Mah... | ProtonMail is one of the best secure email services out there. Recently, in an ann https://t.co/nmQe1Awb1o [06:41] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@PeterStoun: @tuxmachines Why this? Mah... | ProtonMail is one of the best secure email services out there. Recently, in an ann https://t.co/nmQe1Awb1o [06:41] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/gy_sh1n/status/1382753366518996996 [06:41] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@gy_sh1n: Slackware 15 beta has been released. Keep an eye on the Richter scale! #slackware #gnulinux #linux #sysvinit https://t.co/28KkJbVmbS [06:41] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@gy_sh1n: Slackware 15 beta has been released. 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