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schestowitz> I completely understand. People call me Chris all the time, and IJan 24 04:55
schestowitz> correct them.Jan 24 04:55
schestowitz>Jan 24 04:55
schestowitz> I did use Chris for a brief while on the website as an experiment to seeJan 24 04:55
schestowitz> if it had an effect on traffic, since some readers have a problem withJan 24 04:55
schestowitz> women journalists and Chris is not gender specific. Had no effect onJan 24 04:55
schestowitz> readership, but commenters - both on FOSS Force and on sites likeJan 24 04:55
schestowitz> Reddit, began to reference me as he and him.Jan 24 04:55
schestowitz>Jan 24 04:55
schestowitz> Again, it ain't a big deal, and if I didn't know you I wouldn't haveJan 24 04:55
schestowitz> mentioned it (I probably wouldn't have mentioned it this time, but I sawJan 24 04:55
schestowitz> it about midnight, when my "think before you write" mental subprogramJan 24 04:55
schestowitz> doesn't work well).Jan 24 04:55
schestowitzI hardly think of people in terms of genders. It really doesn't matter to me and the same goes for race. It does not matter. To people whom it matters too much... I think it says a lot about them. But better explain this with an example...Jan 24 04:55
schestowitzSee, when I criticise a white male for something -- ANYTHING -- it's likely "safe"...Jan 24 04:55
schestowitzBut if I question the motivations (professional) of someone who is female or a minority group (>in that country<) there might be some provocative response like, "oh, you're just picking on this person because X..."Jan 24 04:55
schestowitzI fight racism and sexism every day, as best I can...Jan 24 04:55
schestowitzBUT...Jan 24 04:55
schestowitzAs you rightly point out, some people might take the message differently depending on the author's gender. Because some people still live in a world where women "belong in the kitchen"...Jan 24 04:55
schestowitzMy wife and I always refer to your as Christine and your name comes up a lot.Jan 24 04:55
schestowitzKeep up the good work,Jan 24 04:55
schestowitz>>> Youtube seems to have been cultivating fascist content for a long timeJan 24 05:06
schestowitz>>> and it is getting worse.Jan 24 05:06
schestowitz>> I view TY as "TV gone wrong" and  rarely access it.Jan 24 05:06
schestowitz>>Jan 24 05:06
schestowitz> It's far, far worse in many ways because it adapts uniquely against eachJan 24 05:06
schestowitz> individual.  I've used it a lot but only by going in rather precisely toJan 24 05:06
schestowitz> specific videos with URLs known in advance and very, very rarely use theJan 24 05:06
schestowitz> "recommended" links.  I'm running into more and more people who getJan 24 05:06
schestowitz> "news" from Youtube and that is going to shape mass public opinion.  ItJan 24 05:06
schestowitz> already is, I think, especially with the silence of the remainingJan 24 05:06
schestowitz> mainstream media on most matters of importance.Jan 24 05:06
schestowitz>Jan 24 05:06
schestowitz> The inability for most to evaluate and critique sources is exacerbatingJan 24 05:06
schestowitz> the problem.  One method, which starts out with the question "does itJan 24 05:06
schestowitz> sound reasonable", threatens to lock people into false world views.  AsJan 24 05:06
schestowitz> they get further and further from reality, reality seems more and moreJan 24 05:06
schestowitz> "unreasonable" and is thus allowed to be shut out.Jan 24 05:06
schestowitzI want to ask you, as I am not a YT expert (TY above was a typo), is this similar to what FB does mostly in textual form?Jan 24 05:06
schestowitzI admit I have not been 'keeping up" with what "today's kids" use on the Web and how they use the Internet.Jan 24 05:06
schestowitzLarge masses of people seem to live in a delusional version of reality and decide accordingly.Jan 24 05:06
schestowitzLast year I read many articles about how the Net was changing and the direction it was going at. I still lack a clear answer. I can't say if it's "apps" or "videos" or "social"... where have all readers of actual news sites gone? They're still online, for sure...Jan 24 05:07
schestowitzhttps://forum.privacytools.io/t/preventing-privacytools-conflicts-of-interest-ensuring-privacytools-integrity/2517Jan 24 05:19
schestowitz"Jan 24 05:19
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schestowitz10hJan 24 05:19
schestowitzLook your english is hard and i did not sleep :joy: so you mean we should create page explain all info about that service as i already commented on that last post right ? and if right i want to help so just tell me what i doJan 24 05:19
schestowitzLiz McIntyreJan 24 05:19
schestowitz9hJan 24 05:19
schestowitzPrivacytools wants to create new policies to help make sure recommendations aren’t biased. I think @infosechandbook made some recommendations, and you commented. (Maybe it wasn’t you.)Jan 24 05:19
schestowitzSorry for any confusing English!Jan 24 05:19
schestowitzDan ArelJan 24 05:19
schestowitzteamJan 24 05:19
schestowitz9hJan 24 05:19
schestowitzTechRights should never be viewed as a respectable source and are trying only to stir up controversy.Jan 24 05:19
schestowitzThey reached out for comment and told me what they would accuse me of if I didn’t reply. They are manufacturing drama and a story.Jan 24 05:19
schestowitzI just want to make it clear, their only purpose is to smear and slander people.Jan 24 05:19
schestowitzLiz McIntyreJan 24 05:19
schestowitz9hJan 24 05:19
schestowitzThe good news is that the PTIO member who was offered the job/compensation was not named. That showed some respect.Jan 24 05:19
schestowitzThe other good news is that this is a wake-up call for the community. PTIO has the opportunity to develop policies that will reassure the public that recommendations are always made fairly and objectively.Jan 24 05:19
schestowitzIf companies are put on notice they will be reported and “outed” if they offer any kind of compensation during listing/delisting/relisting discussions, they will think twice. They will realize that offering a PTIO decision maker something of value during sensitive times will be seen an unstated, but thinly veiled, “quid pro quo.”Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzDan ArelJan 24 05:20
schestowitzteamJan 24 05:20
schestowitz9hJan 24 05:20
schestowitzThe issue is, that implies the companies are doing something wrong if they ask during the process.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzAs stated on GH, the StartPage offer was made because the company learned that the member, which is me btw, and I’m not hiding that fact, had relevant experience that could benefit them. But instead of having that conversation during the delisting discussion, a separate meeting was scheduled to discuss my professional experience.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzSo in this scenario “outing” them for asking to discuss my profession with them would likely have cost me a gig because it would have shown I didn’t trust their intentions.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzThat’s a lot different than a company asking to have a discussion about how they can get relisted.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzI think the guidelines should also be careful not to hinder our team members (who are all unpaid volunteers) from getting jobs, be it full time, or consulting.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzWe have families to feed, etc. what we need is trust from users that we care about the organizations integrity, but also that our team is set up in such a way that one member can’t accomplish something such as relisting or listing a service on their own.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzWe have checks and balances there already, and they have proven to work.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzI just don’t want to hurt not just myself, but others from good careers.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzLiz McIntyreJan 24 05:20
schestowitz8hJan 24 05:20
schestowitz    The issue is, that implies the companies are doing something wrong if they ask during the process.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzAs a former auditor, I can assure you that ethical organizations (especially volunteer ones) usually have policies in place that forbid the practice of giving or receiving compensation (other than tokens of appreciation, like a pen or t-shirt) that could give rise to a conflict of interest in fact or appearance. This is to ensure integrity and ongoing trust.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzNo one wants to put anyone else’s livelihood at risk, but the integrity and trust of PTIO has to be paramount. If a PTIO Team Member sees PTIO as a “make it or break it” fishing pond for job opportunities, that’s particularly dangerous. Desperate people do desperate things.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzIf PTIO decision making status is allowed to devolve into a money-making opportunity, recommendations will naturally be suspect, and PTIO will lose trust.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzcrossroadsJan 24 05:20
schestowitz7hJan 24 05:20
schestowitzThank you both for sharing this. I like and support PTIO, even though I don’t agree with some recommendations :dJan 24 05:20
schestowitzI also think it’s ok if some team member is involved in some (de)listed company, as long as decisions are made by team, not a single person, and according to checklists, as you mentioned. Even some Google or MSFT employees don’t like their (privacy) policy and try to make some changes, so their products/services are not completely bad (from PP PoV)Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzWe also need to have in mind that privacy oriented products/services can be profitable (Protonmail, Mullvad, Nextcloud…) while respecting users privacy, and we should expect more data selling companies (such as System1, Cloudflare, etc) who offer such services. They will offer users 2 choices - pay us with your data or with your money. It’s a win-win situation for them. So in the end Startpage or 1.1.1.1 might actually be good privacyJan 24 05:20
schestowitzservices, but it’s up to us if we want to use them, when we know their other businesses.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzLiz McIntyreJan 24 05:20
schestowitz6hJan 24 05:20
schestowitz    I also think it’s ok if some team member is involved in some (de)listed company, as long as decisions are made by team, not a single person, and according to checklists, as you mentioned.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzI agree with you @crossroads. I’m fine with a PTIO Team Member working for a company listed or delisted at PTIO as long as it’s disclosed – at least in the bio – if that person makes public comments about the company at PTIO.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzThat said, there should be a “blackout period” for any kind of offer or acceptance of a benefit, like a job or donation. An organization should not offer a job/compensation/donation during a sensitive time, like a time surrounding listing/delisting/relisting. An offer could be seen as a bribe in the window surrounding an event like that.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzYou make another good point about checklists and standards. PTIO does not have them now AFAIK. So much of this kind of thing could be avoided if processes were standardized and everyone could see objective measures.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzSupernovaJan 24 05:20
schestowitz6hJan 24 05:20
schestowitz    The issue is, that implies the companies are doing something wrong if they ask during the process.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzThat’s a pretty clear conflict of interest. Such an offer establishes a relationship between an influencer of content on the PTIO website and the object of a recommendation. Whether there is any actual influence or not does not matter, it is the appearance and potential for influence that must be prevented. If there is any question of bias then trust in PTIO by the community would be damaged.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitz    it would have shown I didn’t trust their intentions.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzIt is not not your trust which is in question. It is the trust of the PTIO community that recommendations are made without any bias or influence.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitz    I think the guidelines should also be careful not to hinder our team members (who are all unpaid volunteers) from getting jobs, be it full time, or consulting.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzI think it is achievable to have a conflict of interest policy that does not hinder such opportunities. It must be clear and transparent when such opportunities are being seriously considered when offered or are currently in affect. Any potentials conflicts of interest should be clearly disclosed and the decision making rights of involved persons revoked for subject pertaining to any content having to do directly with the object of theJan 24 05:20
schestowitzconflict or with any similar technologies the object is involved with. For the example of StartPage, that would mean the revocation of any rights to make decisions about any search engines.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitzI think Liz has many wise comments so will not repeat those here.Jan 24 05:20
schestowitza553d43c-f7fa-483a-8Jan 24 05:21
schestowitz1Jan 24 05:21
schestowitz5hJan 24 05:21
schestowitzFirst of all I want to make clear that I don’t think any of this discredits PT’s value as an organization nor the validity of the decisions that its members take.Jan 24 05:21
schestowitzI will quote certain comments from this discussion and the GH issue.Jan 24 05:21
schestowitz    Danarel: Given what we know about StartPage now, and it’s ownership, not-relisting them means we have to take a look at DDG and Qwant as well because both receive large amounts of VC funding and have investors which would normally raise eyebrows.Jan 24 05:21
schestowitzI think you are right, if we should apply the same logic we used to judge SP to all search engines, we would end up having Infinity search, SearX and YaCy as the only alternatives to Google search. Still, I think this is an issue that it is strongly related to search engines, if something similar would happen on some other kind of software I don’t know how people would react.Jan 24 05:21
schestowitzI understand the world we live in, and running something that requires so much money without funding is nearly impossible, but I can’t but be a little sceptic when it comes to companies. We should be vigilant, and watch out what are their moves as Dan stated here:Jan 24 05:21
schestowitz    Like DDG and Qwant, as a community we must continue to watch them, and ensure they stay on that course, but that goes for literally every single privacy service out there. None of them are free from possible financial influence, and it’s the transparency we must seek.Jan 24 05:21
schestowitzI know this will not affect how they operate and that it will not cause bias, one single member can’t decide for the rest, and if it ever causes (to any member who may have an opportunity to get a job somewhere that may generate a conflict of interest) I have trust that the necessary measures will be taken in order to restore balance.Jan 24 05:21
schestowitzNevertheless creating some sort of way to let readers know about this kind of situations may help in terms of public relations, and to some extent I agree with this comment:Jan 24 05:21
schestowitz    As a former auditor, I can assure you that ethical organizations (especially volunteer ones) usually have policies in place that forbid the practice of giving or receiving compensation (other than tokens of appreciation, like a pen or t-shirt) that could give rise to a conflict of interest in fact or appearance. This is to ensure integrity and ongoing trust.Jan 24 05:21
schestowitz    No one wants to put anyone else’s livelihood at risk, but the integrity and trust of PTIO has to be paramount. If a PTIO Team Member sees PTIO as a “make it or break it” fishing pond for job opportunities, that’s particularly dangerous. Desperate people do desperate things.Jan 24 05:21
schestowitz    If PTIO decision making status is allowed to devolve into a money-making opportunity, recommendations will naturally be suspect, and PTIO will lose trust.Jan 24 05:21
schestowitzIn the end I don’t think we have a lot of options in this field, and the rest work in more or less the same way. If services like the ones I mentioned earlier would have more features or would work better, I wouldn’t doubt in ditching the ones that are owned by big capitalist companies, but for now…Jan 24 05:21
schestowitzRelisting ST is not a bad choice, but if I were you, I would make a public statement since if this fake news (which btw I can’t read since the website is down) already created this controversy on GB and on Discourse, if it comes to Reddit it will be worse.Jan 24 05:21
schestowitz        Develop a Conflict of Interest policy: Companies should be on notice that they will be “outed” should they offer or suggest any kind of compensation or future benefit while being considered for listing, delisting or relisting. Maybe a 6-month contribution/offer moratorium period surrounding any PTIO status change would help?Jan 24 05:21
schestowitz        Develop a PTIO Whistleblower policy: This will encourage PTIO Team Members to come forward when they believe a conflict or other issue exists that needs to be made public. (The current conflict of interest was brought to light by a Team Member who felt a moral obligation to speak out on the Startpage relisting.)Jan 24 05:21
schestowitzMore on this, I think the first idea sounds really nice and it would be something easy to implement.Jan 24 05:21
schestowitzThe second one, I see it a bit more difficult, it’s a small team and I’m sure they talk to each other pretty frequently, I doubt anyone would have problems recognizing how each one writes if the point is anonymity.Jan 24 05:21
schestowitza553d43c-f7fa-483a-8Jan 24 05:21
schestowitz5hJan 24 05:21
schestowitz    That’s a pretty clear conflict of interest. Such an offer establishes a relationship between an influencer of content on the PTIO website and the object of a recommendation. Whether there is any actual influence or not does not matter, it is the appearance and potential for influence that must be prevented. If there is any question of bias then trust in PTIO by the community would be damaged.Jan 24 05:21
schestowitzI think he meant the fact that Starpage should have asked before accepting to be owned by Sysyem1, not the fact of he accepting the job.Jan 24 05:21
schestowitz"Jan 24 05:21
schestowitz"I wish organizations could replace companies to provide services like this, I feel much more safe when it comes to trust."Jan 24 05:21
schestowitzLooking at the thread at forum.privacytools.io, in a hurry at least, it seems like people don't understand reputation and perceived integrity; it is not OK for people  with vested interest to work secretly like this. My message to Dan was polite and he could respond with "no"; but he could not ;-) so he proactively self-ousted.Jan 24 05:22
schestowitzQUOTE >>>>>>>Jan 24 05:34
schestowitzCan he really be that naive? See new posts, including this one:Jan 24 05:34
schestowitzThe issue is, that implies the companies are doing something wrong if they ask during the process.Jan 24 05:34
schestowitzAs stated on GH, the StartPage offer was made because the company learned that the member, which is me btw, and I’m not hiding that fact, had relevant experience that could benefit them. But instead of having that conversation during the delisting discussion, a separate meeting was scheduled to discuss my professional experience.Jan 24 05:34
schestowitzSo in this scenario “outing” them for asking to discuss my profession with them would likely have cost me a gig because it would have shown I didn’t trust their intentions.Jan 24 05:34
schestowitzThat’s a lot different than a company asking to have a discussion about how they can get relisted.Jan 24 05:34
schestowitzI think the guidelines should also be careful not to hinder our team members (who are all unpaid volunteers) from getting jobs, be it full time, or consulting.Jan 24 05:34
schestowitzWe have families to feed, etc. what we need is trust from users that we care about the organizations integrity, but also that our team is set up in such a way that one member can’t accomplish something such as relisting or listing a service on their own.Jan 24 05:34
schestowitzWe have checks and balances there already, and they have proven to work.Jan 24 05:34
schestowitzI just don’t want to hurt not just myself, but others from good careers.Jan 24 05:34
schestowitzTechRights is also mentioned in another response:Jan 24 05:34
schestowitzhttps://forum.privacytools.io/t/preventing-privacytools-conflicts-of-interest-ensuring-privacytools-integrity/2517/5Jan 24 05:34
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schestowitz>>> -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 475428511 Jan 24 05:00 /var/log/httpd/techrights.org-access_logJan 24 06:40
schestowitz>>Jan 24 06:40
schestowitz>> ...even without major stories we still do about 100mb of logs per day.Jan 24 06:40
schestowitz>>Jan 24 06:40
schestowitz>> It's the same in tuxmachines, so about 700mb of logs per week.Jan 24 06:40
schestowitz>>Jan 24 06:40
schestowitz>> I spend LOADS of time this past week setting up Rianne's thinkpad forJan 24 06:40
schestowitz>> our work (employer). Only strongswan gives me trouble... 4 hours of workJan 24 06:40
schestowitz>> in vain and it turns out I'm not alone... one of the devs (I think)Jan 24 06:40
schestowitz>> offered me help. Maybe I can help them fix it for others too... butJan 24 06:40
schestowitz>> that's time-consuming.Jan 24 06:40
schestowitz> That's for an IPv6 VPN?  I need to get up to speed on IPsec, too.Jan 24 06:40
schestowitz> However VPNs are an artifact of M$ damage to the net.  With a 1980sJan 24 06:40
schestowitz> model, where services are designed not to trust the net, they are notJan 24 06:40
schestowitz> necessary.Jan 24 06:40
schestowitzSometimes -- not often though -- we use the VPN to access over rdesktop some windows box (those are rare).Jan 24 06:40
schestowitzOur VPN server was set up on AWS, so I often joke about its 'privacy' and 'security' 'benefits'... but the choice was not mine. I was not even consulted.Jan 24 06:40
schestowitz>>>>> Youtube seems to have been cultivating fascist content for a long timeJan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>>>> and it is getting worse.Jan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>>> I view TY as "TV gone wrong" and  rarely access it.Jan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>>>Jan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>> It's far, far worse in many ways because it adapts uniquely against eachJan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>> individual.  I've used it a lot but only by going in rather precisely toJan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>> specific videos with URLs known in advance and very, very rarely use theJan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>> "recommended" links.  I'm running into more and more people who getJan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>> "news" from Youtube and that is going to shape mass public opinion.  ItJan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>> already is, I think, especially with the silence of the remainingJan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>> mainstream media on most matters of importance.Jan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>>Jan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>> The inability for most to evaluate and critique sources is exacerbatingJan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>> the problem.  One method, which starts out with the question "does itJan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>> sound reasonable", threatens to lock people into false world views.  AsJan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>> they get further and further from reality, reality seems more and moreJan 24 06:50
schestowitz>>> "unreasonable" and is thus allowed to be shut out.Jan 24 06:50
schestowitz>> I want to ask you, as I am not a YT expert (TY above was a typo), isJan 24 06:51
schestowitz>> this similar to what FB does mostly in textual form?Jan 24 06:51
schestowitz> Not sure.  There was a CCC presentation several years ago about theJan 24 06:51
schestowitz> apparent situation that one is never radical enough for Youtube.Jan 24 06:51
schestowitz> Regardless of what you watch, said the investigator, it will always findJan 24 06:51
schestowitz> something nastier.  This is a side effect of the 'engagement' modelJan 24 06:51
schestowitz> favored by YT over proper usability.  The idea is to get people riled upJan 24 06:51
schestowitz> so they keep clicking.Jan 24 06:51
schestowitzReddit and other sites have added infinite scroll to each page.Jan 24 06:51
schestowitzYou know why they do this...Jan 24 06:51
schestowitz>> I admit I have not been 'keeping up" with what "today's kids" use on theJan 24 06:51
schestowitz>> Web and how they use the Internet.Jan 24 06:51
schestowitz> Me neither, but over the last year I've been able to speak to over halfJan 24 06:51
schestowitz> a dozen people under 30 about it.  Some in their late teens.  They allJan 24 06:51
schestowitz> except one get pulled into the crap that YT is peddling.  That one isJan 24 06:51
schestowitz> also laser-focused on a specific topic and though not pulled in showsJan 24 06:51
schestowitz> slight signs of opinion tampering.Jan 24 06:51
schestowitzThis is good for "mass control"...Jan 24 06:51
schestowitzYouTube (Google/Alphabet Agency) now flags channels and videos sponsored by nations... other than US/UK/EU...Jan 24 06:51
schestowitzSome channels just get nuked...  flagged as "trolls" (governments we don't like)Jan 24 06:51
schestowitz>> Large masses of people seem to live in a delusional version of realityJan 24 06:51
schestowitz>> and decide accordingly.Jan 24 06:51
schestowitz> Unfortunately that is not new.  It is only made far, far worse that itJan 24 06:51
schestowitz> ever has been through YT and FB.Jan 24 06:51
schestowitz"Something for everyone..." (even the deluded)Jan 24 06:51
schestowitz>> Last year I read many articles about how the Net was changing and theJan 24 06:51
schestowitz>> direction it was going at. I still lack a clear answer. I can't say ifJan 24 06:51
schestowitz>> it's "apps" or "videos" or "social"... where have all readers of actualJan 24 06:51
schestowitz>> news sites gone? They're still online, for sure...Jan 24 06:51
schestowitz> Nah.  They're gone, at least in the US.  There the state-level formerJan 24 06:51
schestowitz> newspapers have gone under or report almost only sports.  People turn toJan 24 06:51
schestowitz> FB in droves, thinking they are some how getting purer information.  ButJan 24 06:51
schestowitz> what they are getting is neither information nor pure.  However, FB isJan 24 06:51
schestowitz> intentionally addicting and there are LOTS of people in denial about that.Jan 24 06:51
schestowitzFB execs admit this. This is what they strive for.Jan 24 06:51
schestowitzA year ago I promised myself to check twitter notifications no more than once per day. I found that difficult at first, even though I had already done that in all other sites.Jan 24 06:51
schestowitzI found that the best solution was to HIDE any indicators of notifications, e.g. moving these OUT of the visible screen space. Because it's seductive to hear BACK from people... even when it's better done IN BULK.... or NOT AT ALL (some feedback is worse than nothing).Jan 24 06:51
schestowitzI was gratified to learn Bryan L no longer reads YouTube comments. They're of little value/quality... Rianne likes to read theseJan 24 06:51
schestowitzYou get similar quality of feedback going past a wet market in downtime BeirutJan 24 06:51
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schestowitz              <blockquote>Jan 24 07:24
schestowitz                <p>The developers made over 7400 individual changes in Wine 5.0 when compared to the previous version. The official Wine HQ blog highlights the major changes "built-in modules in PE format", "multi-monitor support", "XAudio2 reimplementation", and "Vulkan 1.1 support". </p></blockquote></li>Jan 24 07:24
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social_loghttps://twitter.com/LizMcIntyre/status/1220768323819986945Jan 24 20:35
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@LizMcIntyre: @schestowitz How does this relate to Startpage? Maybe I missed something. I believe someone made a similar comment… https://t.co/nhDNQCoovCJan 24 20:35
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@LizMcIntyre: @schestowitz How does this relate to Startpage? Maybe I missed something. I believe someone made a similar comment… https://t.co/nhDNQCoovCJan 24 20:35
social_log"Jan 24 20:35
social_logHow does this relate to Startpage? Maybe I missed something. I believe someone made a similar comment here:"Jan 24 20:35
social_logYes, indeedJan 24 20:35
social_loghttps://twitter.com/EuroPleasureMac/status/1220764621801512960Jan 24 20:35
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EuroPleasureMac: @schestowitz Telegram is good. What's a better alternative? #linuxJan 24 20:35
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