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schestowitzhttp://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/01/19/upc-provisional-application-period-enters-into-force/#commentsJan 25 01:12
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | UPC - Provisional Application Period enters into force - Kluwer Patent BlogJan 25 01:12
schestowitz"Jan 25 01:12
schestowitz10 commentsJan 25 01:12
schestowitzAndre FransJan 25 01:12
schestowitzJANUARY 19, 2022 AT 4:15 PMJan 25 01:12
schestowitzHow to declare a treaty into force when the condition to declare it into force have not been met.Jan 25 01:12
schestowitzSo no more signing ceremony to overcome Brexit?Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzBTW it’s not the European Commission website, but the Council website.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzThorsten BauschJan 25 01:13
schestowitzJANUARY 19, 2022 AT 4:31 PMJan 25 01:13
schestowitzThank you for spotting the error in the origin of the website. I have corrected the post.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzOtherwise, the treaty has obviously not yet been declared into force, but the Preparatory Committee will work towards making this possible within a year (or even 8 months, in the most optimistic scenario) and Germany has already concluded its internal preparations to ratify as soon as the Preparatory Committee is ready.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzConcerned observerJan 25 01:13
schestowitzJANUARY 19, 2022 AT 5:18 PMJan 25 01:13
schestowitzThorsten, I think that the “Treaty” to which Andre refers is the PAP … which allegedly HAS entered into force.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzI too had expected a signing ceremony for a “Declaration on the authentic interpretation of Art. 3 of the PAP-Protocol”, which was supposed to take place “in the margins of a future COREPER meeting”.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzPerhaps a signing ceremony will still happen, though there is no mention of such in connection with this week’s COREPER meeting (https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/meetings/mpo/2022/1/coreper-1-(313748)/). However, even if one accepts the rather dubious premise that the crystal-clear wording of Art. 3 of the PAP-Protocol can be given an alternative meaning, it is far from clear whether it is permissible to rely upon a purported “authentic Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzinterpretation” that has not yet been formally approved by the Participating Member States.Jan 25 01:13
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.consilium.europa.eu | Meeting calendar - ConsiliumJan 25 01:13
schestowitzWe shall have to wait and see what the Member States agree regarding reallocation of the duties of the London branch of the central division. I very much hope that it is more legally defensible than what has happened with the PPI and PAP.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzExtraneous AttorneyJan 25 01:13
schestowitzJANUARY 19, 2022 AT 6:11 PMJan 25 01:13
schestowitzIt is still not crystal-clear to me how the conditions for entry into force of the Protocol on provisional application can have been met, since the United Kingdom has withdrawn its consent to be bound by that Protocol.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzPerhaps the Preparatory Committee will helpfully explain how that can be.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzAndre FransJan 25 01:13
schestowitzJANUARY 20, 2022 AT 10:49 AMJan 25 01:13
schestowitz“Perhaps the Preparatory Committee will helpfully explain how that can be.”Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzNope, they won’t be of any help.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzMaybe a question to the CJEU would help?Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzConcerned observerJan 25 01:13
schestowitzJANUARY 20, 2022 AT 11:52 AMJan 25 01:13
schestowitzI am a little confused about the legal basis for transitional measures introduced by the President of the EPO.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzFor example, the Decision dated 22 December 2021 (https://www.epo.org/law-practice/legal-texts/official-journal/president-notices/archive/20220119.html) cites Article 10(2)(a) EPC as legal basis. However, that provision only provides the President with the power to take “necessary steps to ensure the functioning of the European Patent Office”.Jan 25 01:13
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.epo.org | EPO - Decision of the President of the European Patent Office dated 22 December 2021 concerning the forthcoming introduction of the Unitary Patent and the possibility of requesting a delay in issuing the decision to grant a European patent in response to a communication under Rule 71(3) EPCJan 25 01:13
schestowitzWhilst it will no doubt prove useful for increasing opportunities to file requests for unitary effect, I think that it would be hard to argue that the ability to request a delay to the issuance of a decision to grant is a step that is necessary to ensure the functioning of the EPO. The possibility of delaying the issuance of a decision to grant also arguably conflicts with the mandatory language used in Article 97 (“the Examining Division … Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzSHALL decide to grant a European patent …”) and Rule 71a(1) (“The decision to grant the European patent SHALL be issued if …”.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzI would have thought that it would be more appropriate (and legally sound) for the possibility to request a delay to the issuance of the grant decision to be introduced by way of a decision of the AC, using its powers under Article 33(1)(c) EPC. Whilst this is perhaps a pedantic point, I am more than a little uncomfortable with the thought of the President assuming the power to significantly alter the grant procedure (relative to the procedure set Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzout in the EPC and its Implementing Regulations).Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzA. NonymousJan 25 01:13
schestowitzJANUARY 21, 2022 AT 5:33 PMJan 25 01:13
schestowitzThese measures have been presented to the Member States, and only one (non-participating) commented negatively. It may not have been a decision, but in fact, these measures have little impact: they apply only after Germany has deposited its instrument of ratification of the UPCA, i.e. some 12 to 16 weeks before entry into force, whilst those decisions to grant issued in the last five weeks do not need to be postponed because they will anyway be Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzpublished when the UPCA will be in force.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzAnyway, applicants know how to delay the decision to grant. These measures contribute to the functioning of the EPO, by minimising the waste of resources otherwise required to delay a decision to grant.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzConcerned observerJan 25 01:13
schestowitzJANUARY 21, 2022 AT 7:37 PMJan 25 01:13
schestowitzSo, in essence, your main argument is that nobody is going to complain about the new measures … with the consequence that whether or not they have a sound legal basis is unlikely to make any practical difference (especially in view of the limited time during which the measures will be in force).Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzWhilst this may be true, you will have to forgive me if I still feel uncomfortable with the thought of the President adopting the approach of unilaterally assuming powers that are not (clearly) ascribed to him. There are simply far too many things that could go badly awry if this kind of approach becomes commonplace.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzAlso, whilst the measures may have been “presented” to the Member States, this only happened on 19 January, which is almost a month AFTER the date of the President’s decision (and the date of the two Notices from the EPO). It therefore seems that the measures were “presented” to the Member States as a fait accompli. This hardly seems appropriate in the circumstances.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzMoreover, why on earth did the President not consult on these matters much earlier, so that they could receive PRIOR approval from (the Select Committee of) the AC?Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzFinally, I am not persuaded that the mere fact that a measure might contribute to the functioning of the EPO means that it falls within the President’s power to issue that measure. This is because the President’s powers under Article 10(2)(a) EPC are limited to NECESSARY steps to ensure the functioning of the EPO. In other words, I do not believe that “necessary steps to ensure” can be afforded an interpretation as broad as “steps Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzcontributing to”.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzAttentive ObserverJan 25 01:14
schestowitzJANUARY 21, 2022 AT 10:33 PMJan 25 01:14
schestowitzThat the UK can be replaced by IT when it comes to the PAP can be understood, but there is no indication that the famous declaration hinted at by Mr Ramsay has been signed at the Coreper.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzOne has thus to consider that the Commission jumped at the gun and decided something which could manifestly not be decided at this moment and thereby created a fait accompli.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzOne should not forget that the proponents of the UPC actually wanted the UPCA to enter into force as quickly as possible in order to exactly create a fait accompli. It was necessary to do so, otherwise all the flaws in the UPCA and the corresponding problems would have been apparent.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzThey just did it now with the PAP.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzI know that some national judges are counting all the money they are loosing due to the delayed entry into force of the UPC. For them it will be irrelevant if they get a contract by an instance which has no legal standing. Money matters. That’s it.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzIt is clear that the President of the EPO, like its predecessor, is eager to see the start of the UPC.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzFor the time being, the decision of 22.11.2021 is relatively harmless as it is presently not of application, and will only be applicable during a relatively short period.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzIt however shows a mind setting which is problematic. Rather to bring social peace, reason for which he had been appointed, he is concerned about problems which are not important at all for the EPO.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzHe should rather take care of his staff and improve the working conditions. On the contrary he has worsened them.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzIt does not appear that there has been a decision setting aside the rules found illegal by the TA-OIT restricting the right of industrial action by the staff.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzThis is a disgrace, but since 2010 the tail is wagging the dog, he could not care less.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzHe continues his destructive efforts of the EPO so that in the end the patents would be granted more or less automatically, the BA just playing judges, but the UPC becoming the court in which the decisions of the EPO and its BA would be vetted.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzThis is how the EUIPO works. A bit of examination and opposition, a bit of appeal, and the rest is done in Luxembourg, so why bother too much in Alicante, sorry in Munich.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzThe problem is that the UPC is not the CJEU. It is not even sure that the UPC is a court having a legal standing in the EU. Its compatibility with the Union law has never been tested.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzOne wonders why? Fait accompli???Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzAttentive ObserverJan 25 01:14
schestowitzJANUARY 22, 2022 AT 5:39 PMJan 25 01:14
schestowitzWhether the PAP has legally entered into force is not really clear. Mr Ramsay has announced a declaration to be signed at the COREPER, but no such ceremony has been announced. Would it have taken place, it is more than certain that the Preparatory Committee would have heralded it loud and clear.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzReplacing UK by IT is in principle acceptable, provided that all the signatory states agree, or at least those having ratified up to now.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzAmending in such a way Art 3 of the PAP is however not changing anything as far Art 7(2) UPCA is concerned. In the explanatory note for the second ratification a reference to Art 31 VCLT was made. But nothing has apparently happened.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzWhilst an agreement on Art 3 PAP seems possible, it is more than doubtful that an agreement on Art 7(2) UPCA is possible. I cannot see IT and NL accepting that the duties originally allocated to London will “provisionally” be transferred to Paris and/or Munich. This is the more since Mr Ramsay, in his latest interview in JUVE, clearly mentioned the fact that in the end there could only be 2 sections in the central division. Should three sections Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzremain, it is also not sure whether FR and DE would not prefer to keep the very interesting files in IPC classes A and C for themselves and shift less interesting technical domains to a third and why not even a fourth location.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzThe three locations were only chosen as none of the three contenders FR, GB and DE would not let loose and claimed the whole central division for themselves.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzIt is very surprising that the head of the EPO had to take shortly before the Christmas break a decision on something which will only be a temporary measure, and only once the opening date of the UPC will be known. And this in a few months at the earliest.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzin spite of what A.Nonymous has said, it is difficult to understand in which way this measures contribute to the functioning of the EPO, and why they are able to minimise the waste of resources otherwise required to delay a decision to grant. It is not apparent how leaving a file resting for a short length of time would represent a real waste of resources.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzI would have thought that there are more urgent tasks to perform at the EPO than to take such a decision. This is the more so since Art 10(2,a) EPC has a totally different finality as explained by other commenters. For example, the social situation is still problematic at the EPO.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzWe should also not forget that Art 10(2,a).was the Art referred to by the head of the EPO when introducing mandatory OP by ViCo in the first instance during the pandemic.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzWhilst at a pinch such Art 10(2,a) can be considered applicable during the pandemic, it is doubtful that even a very extensive application of Art 31 and 32 VCLT would allow to make such a provisional measure a permanent feature of the procedure before the EPO.Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzThe (too) frequent use of Art 10(2,a) is becoming suspect. But since the tail is wagging the dog, probably nothing much will happen.Jan 25 01:14
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schestowitz>> I'll be back to work 9:30pm instead of 5:30pm having covered for 4 extraJan 25 09:11
schestowitz>> hours for the person who did not show up for their shift last night. IJan 25 09:12
schestowitz>> need more sleep.Jan 25 09:12
schestowitz>Jan 25 09:12
schestowitz> Just for future reference, if this happens again, could you please checkJan 25 09:12
schestowitz> the shift rota and see who is supposed to be taking over and then callJan 25 09:12
schestowitz> them if they are more than 15 minutes late. If there is no responseJan 25 09:12
schestowitz> after 30 minutes over your shift then please call either myself or MarkJan 25 09:12
schestowitz> and we will find them for you.Jan 25 09:12
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896Jan 25 21:42
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.feneas.org/feneas/Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz"Jan 25 21:42
schestowitzHello JoinDiasporaJan 25 21:42
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt · master · Feneas / association · GitLabJan 25 21:42
schestowitzthere is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services.Jan 25 21:42
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt · master · Feneas / association · GitLabJan 25 21:42
schestowitzJD will also be shut down on 1 March.Jan 25 21:42
schestowitzThis is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service.Jan 25 21:42
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> git.feneas.org | Feneas · GitLabJan 25 21:42
schestowitzIf you think you can handle the task please contact us via hq@feneas.org.Jan 25 21:42
schestowitzYou can find the original post below or via https://git.feneas.org/feneas/association/-/raw/master/comms/dissolving-the-association-2022-01-09.txtJan 25 21:42
schestowitzFederated Networks Association ry will be dissolvedJan 25 21:42
schestowitzDue to recent lack of activity within the association, issues maintaining the current services and lack of new committee members wanting to step up, the members of Federated Networks Association ry (Feneas) have decided to dissolve the association. The decision to do so was done as per the rules of the association in two Annual General Meetings held no more than 30 days apart. You can find the meeting logs via the below links:Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz    9th December 2021 - https://git.feneas.org/feneas/association/-/blob/master/meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txtJan 25 21:42
schestowitz    4th January 2022 - https://git.feneas.org/feneas/association/-/blob/master/meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txtJan 25 21:42
schestowitzWhat happens next?Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz    The current committee will start to send out service closure warnings to all users using the current services.Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz    The timeline of shutting down the services is as follows:Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz        Discourse (talk.feneas.org) will be shut down on or soon after the 1st of February (UTC morning time).Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz        Friendica (friendica.feneas.org) will be shut down on or soon after the 1st of February (UTC morning time).Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz        The following services will be shut down on or soon after the 1st of March (UTC morning time). This includes:Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz            Matrix (matrix.feneas.org), Element client (chat.feneas.org) and the various botsJan 25 21:42
schestowitz            GitLab (git.feneas.org)Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz            Searx (searx.feneas.org)Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz            Etherpad (pad.feneas.org)Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz            Nextcloud (cloud.feneas.org)Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz    Before turning off the Matrix homeserver, all local users will be deactivated, parting them from all the rooms they have joined. This will start happening on the 1st of March (UTC morning), with the homeserver turned off a few days after the process ends.Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz    JoinDiaspora (joindiaspora.com) will inform soon separately about the situation for that service via the official podmin@joindiaspora.com account.Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz    WeDistribute (wedistribute.org) are Fediverse Party (fediverse.party) will be announced once the stakeholders for those services have been contacted fully. They are expected to re-own their service for their own hosting, but if that doesn’t happen, the services will shut down on a date agreed with the stakeholders.Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz    All remaining data will be destroyed on or soon after the 1st of April. This will include backups. Some exemptions will be;Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz        membership details will be kept until necessary by law (date to be cleared)Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz        financial details will be kept until necessary by law (date to be cleared)Jan 25 21:42
schestowitz        the public repositories of the association on the GitLab instance will be mirrored on GitLab.com. These can be found from https://git.feneas.org/feneasJan 25 21:42
schestowitz    The feneas.org domain will be handed over to standing committee vice-president Lukas Matt as agreed in the 4th January AGM. A static website will be hosted there to give details on what Feneas was and what happened to it.Jan 25 21:42
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-git.feneas.org | Feneas · GitLabJan 25 21:43
schestowitz        The Matrix homeserver server key will be securely stored should the homeserver ever need to come back online. All other homeserver data will be destroyed.Jan 25 21:43
schestowitz    Once all the services have been ramped down or moved over, and data destroyed, any accounts left over will be closed and the association will be terminated in the Finnish associations registry.Jan 25 21:43
schestowitz    As agreed in the 4th January AGM, if any funds remain in the Feneas bank account (possibly in the amount of tens of euros), they will be donated to Framasoft.Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzSo long and thanks for federatingJan 25 21:43
schestowitzAs the Feneas committee president and founding member, I want to thank all the members and users who trusted Feneas over the years. It’s been a good and often fun 3,5 years of Feneas. While we managed to create a sometimes vibrant collection of services and attract people and projects from around the Fediverse, ultimately we failed to build a community that would last longer than the amount of time founding members could dedicate a good chunk of Jan 25 21:43
schestowitztheir life. For both the main founders (Lukas and me, Jason) real life and other priorities caught up with us, and thus it’s time to move forward. It was also clear from the discussions at the end that not enough active community members exist to keep the association afloat. I’m personally happy we did this project, even though it had to reach its end.Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzOur chat rooms are still active over at Matrix (#feneas:feneas.org) and Libera (#feneas). If you have questions, for example about exporting your data, or just want to say hi, feel free to pop in. At least the main chatroom is going to stay alive after the association is finally taken off the official association registry, so you’re welcome to say hi even afterwards.Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzIf you have concerns or questions you can also reach out via email with generic questions to hq@feneas.org or privacy@feneas.org (for privacy queries). You can also reach me via a private message on Matrix at @jaywink:federator.dev.Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzAll the best to everyone!Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzBest regards,Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzJason RobinsonJan 25 21:43
schestowitzFounder and committee presidentJan 25 21:43
schestowitzFederated Networks Association ryJan 25 21:43
schestowitz#feneas #federatednetworksassociation #joindiaspora #newsJan 25 21:43
schestowitz52Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzFerdi Zebua Jason Robinson 🐍🍻 Chuck Dee 136.2 pc from home... Jakub Klawiter Trolli Schmittlauch linus Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account) redj2@diaspora.psyco.fr Pavithran S Passagier 451 dubbel mubbel p7@joindiaspora.com leshoshin@pod.dapor.net ♇ ✱ [phle] Nathan Weaver mʕ•ﻌ•ʔm jesuiSatire bitPickup Le Général Midi Au Physsiaile Bosshammer 0mega ☣ [d*] phle@diasp.org p70@diasp.de Elodie V 🗡️ noam@socialhome.network Susan Jan 25 21:43
schestowitz✶✶✶✶ kanis_latranz Filip H.F. "FiXato" Slagter Salinger 3 Ferdi Zebua (sunsetting account)Jan 25 21:43
schestowitz13Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzPoligraf Poligrafovich Bouboulov Peter Oram Gene Jakub Klawiter David Morley V 🗡️ Lain Ferdi Zebua (sunsetting account) Jakub Klawiter Ferdi Zebua John Sauchelli harry haller Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account)Jan 25 21:43
schestowitz44Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzDavid MorleyJan 25 21:43
schestowitzDavid Morley - 16 days agoJan 25 21:43
schestowitzLot’s of other great diaspora servers out there https://diaspora.fediverse.observer/Jan 25 21:43
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-diaspora.fediverse.observer | Fediverse ObserverJan 25 21:43
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius (defunct account)Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius (defunct account) - 16 days agoJan 25 21:43
schestowitz@podmin@joindiaspora.com Which of the FENEAS services have any appreciable user content?Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzI know that JoinDiaspora does.Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzI’m presuming that the Friendica instance may.Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzAny others?Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzI’m reaching out to ArchiveTeam in the event there’s an interest in archival.Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius (defunct account)Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius (defunct account) - 16 days agoJan 25 21:43
schestowitzReddit thread for ArchiveTeam:Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzhttps://old.reddit.com/r/Archiveteam/comments/s05wk0/federated_networks_association_ry_dissolving/Jan 25 21:43
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-old.reddit.com | Federated Networks Association ry dissolving, Joindaispora.com and friendica.feneas.org shutting down : ArchiveteamJan 25 21:43
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius (defunct account)Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius (defunct account) - 16 days agoJan 25 21:43
schestowitzHN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29868837Jan 25 21:43
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Federated Networks Association ry will be dissolved | Hacker NewsJan 25 21:43
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius (defunct account)Jan 25 21:43
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius (defunct account) - 16 days agoJan 25 21:43
schestowitzPing @Ferdi Zebua and @Glyn MoodyJan 25 21:43
schestowitzSTORMZ OV KREATION 🌩️🌩️🌩️Jan 25 21:44
schestowitzSTORMZ OV KREATION 🌩️🌩️🌩️ - 16 days agoJan 25 21:44
schestowitzWhat about diaspora social? Sorry to hear all this manJan 25 21:44
schestowitzV 🗡️Jan 25 21:44
schestowitzV 🗡️ - 16 days agoJan 25 21:44
schestowitzSwitch pods to prevail! Do not give up! ✊ Maybe one day one of them will secure a million dollar donation!Jan 25 21:44
schestowitz**joeJan 25 21:44
schestowitz**joe - 16 days agoJan 25 21:44
schestowitzThere’s so many people on joindiaspora! Somebody needs to take it over the way you took it over from the original 4 developers.Jan 25 21:44
schestowitzFlaJan 25 21:44
schestowitzFla - 16 days agoJan 25 21:44
schestowitzHello @Federated Networks Association, thank you for maintaining these services for all this years my friend. Maybe we can discuss the future of joindiaspora.com? I’m sure there are things I / the other core members can do ;)Jan 25 21:44
schestowitzKonradJan 25 21:44
schestowitzKonrad - 15 days agoJan 25 21:44
schestowitzMenno.Jan 25 21:44
schestowitzI´m not so busy here but one of the earlies ;-) It will be sad to stop this here. For now i will look forward and see the options in the sky… Thanks for the work in all that days - and nights!Jan 25 21:44
schestowitz0mega ☣ [d*]Jan 25 21:44
schestowitz0mega ☣ [d*] - 15 days agoJan 25 21:44
schestowitzSuch a shameJan 25 21:44
schestowitzDoc Edward MorbiusJan 25 21:44
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius - 15 days agoJan 25 21:44
schestowitzGiven that this discussion is on a server that will be disappearing as of 1 March 2022, planning and organising should occurr elsewhere.Jan 25 21:44
schestowitzI’ve initiated one such thread on Diaspora* hereJan 25 21:44
schestowitzfull URL:Jan 25 21:44
schestowitzhttps://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/ef340f905469013a0101448a5b29e257Jan 25 21:44
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-diaspora.glasswings.com | Joindiaspora Migration / Exodus Planning / Discussion ThreadJan 25 21:44
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius (defunct account)Jan 25 21:44
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius (defunct account) - 15 days agoJan 25 21:44
schestowitzLukas: thanks for all your efforts over the years, BTW.Jan 25 21:44
schestowitzmʕ•ﻌ•ʔm jesuiSatire bitPickupJan 25 21:44
schestowitzmʕ•ﻌ•ʔm jesuiSatire bitPickup - 15 days agoJan 25 21:44
schestowitz#bookmarkJan 25 21:44
schestowitzPavithran SJan 25 21:44
schestowitzPavithran S - 12 days agoJan 25 21:44
schestowitzWow I didnt know about this, will this pod stay or will it die soon? If I remember correctly the migration is not fully functional? Anyways this is such an old pod. :(Jan 25 21:44
schestowitzWow @zauberstuhl has given this pod for feneas which is dying, so sad to see such an old pod with such a huge user content going down. @Fla How much of content will save/get deleted when we migrate our account to other instance?Jan 25 21:44
schestowitzMichael VogelJan 25 21:44
schestowitzMichael Vogel - 12 days agoJan 25 21:44
schestowitz@Pavithran S When there are people who want to take over, then the pod will continue. When there are no people who want to do the work and want to pay for the server then the server will be discontinued.Jan 25 21:44
schestowitzPavithran SJan 25 21:44
schestowitzPavithran S - 12 days agoJan 25 21:44
schestowitzThats sad, why not keep an announcement on the left where it says “its maintained by feneas” to “going to shutdown”.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzharry haller ( 哈利·哈勒尔 )Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzharry haller ( 哈利·哈勒尔 ) - 11 days agoJan 25 21:45
schestowitz@podmin@joindiaspora.com, can you upload ALL the files from the pod to archive.org, please?Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzThey should be tar/zipped, but not in one huge archive, as that’s impractibable for up and downoading - archive.org isn’t fast and it has lots of users.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzIf ALL the file files are up on archive.org, that takes off the time pressure and we can work out how to rescue stuff from the uploaded files.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzJoindiaspora.com was the first pod and thus is of historical value to everyone on the net interested in internet history, quite apart from those of us who have been posting on joindiaspora since the early days.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzBenjamin Neff 🌟Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzBenjamin Neff 🌟 - 11 days agoJan 25 21:45
schestowitz@harry haller ( 哈利·哈勒尔 ) @podmin@joindiaspora.comJan 25 21:45
schestowitzDO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT upload all data from joindiaspora to any public place … there is private data in there to which not everybody should have access, and not only would that leak private data, it would even give EVERYBODY access to ALL ACCOUNTS on JD … so uploading everything to a public place is a VERY BAD idea.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzIf you want, you can make backups from the public posts you can see yourself as many as you want and if you want you can download your own data and make with it what you want and you don’t need Lukas for that. But don’t do anything with the private data of others.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzharry haller ( 哈利·哈勒尔 )Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzharry haller ( 哈利·哈勒尔 ) - 11 days agoJan 25 21:45
schestowitzWell that’s that then.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzEverything lost.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzDoc Edward MorbiusJan 25 21:45
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius - 11 days agoJan 25 21:45
schestowitzAs a very rough estimate:Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzMy own 2,728 posts were ~18 MB total storage as an exported GZipped JSON archive.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzAll 2,960,590 posts on JoindiasporaCom will likely be ~20 GB of textual content.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzThis excludes images.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzBenjamin Neff 🌟Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzBenjamin Neff 🌟 - 11 days agoJan 25 21:45
schestowitz@harry haller ( 哈利·哈勒尔 ) Everybody can make backups of their own data (you included), so it’s not lost … but you can’t publish other peoples private data and give everybody control over other peoples accounts.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzAnd if you want to backup some public posts you can take snapshots of the data that is publicly visible too.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzDoc Edward MorbiusJan 25 21:45
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius - 11 days agoJan 25 21:45
schestowitzAlso, agreed that private data should not be uploaded or archived.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzA transfer to a successor operator of JoindiasporaCom under the same terms as originally posted should be acceptable.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzAn archive of public content should be acceptable.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzThere’s an argument that can be made for deletion of all private / non-public data. That’s something that should be worked out for other pods as well. This situation will likely occur again.Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzMulkurulJan 25 21:45
schestowitzMulkurul - 9 days agoJan 25 21:45
schestowitzHeads up @James ....Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzJames ....Jan 25 21:45
schestowitzJames .... - 9 days agoJan 25 21:45
schestowitzΕίναι όλα ελληνικά για μένα @MulkurulJan 25 21:45
schestowitzPavithran SJan 25 21:45
schestowitzPavithran S - 7 days agoJan 25 21:45
schestowitzDear @podmin@joindiaspora.com I am unable to export profile. It says wait for some time but is never exported. I got my pictures though.Jan 25 21:46
schestowitzDoc Edward MorbiusJan 25 21:46
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius - 7 days agoJan 25 21:46
schestowitz@podmin@joindiaspora.com Any update on status of transferring JoindiasporaCom to another operator?Jan 25 21:46
schestowitzJakub KlawiterJan 25 21:46
schestowitzJakub Klawiter - 6 days agoJan 25 21:46
schestowitzDoes anyone know how far we are from working import backup feature? Maybe it is close to finish and it is possible to wait few months more?Jan 25 21:46
schestowitzJust asking…Jan 25 21:46
schestowitzPoligraf Poligrafovich BouboulovJan 25 21:46
schestowitzPoligraf Poligrafovich Bouboulov - 6 days agoJan 25 21:46
schestowitzMen, sorry to hear this… Does anyone have good ideas and why not some advice on how to switch on another good pod for beginners ? That would be cool.Jan 25 21:46
schestowitzDoc Edward MorbiusJan 25 21:46
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius - 6 days agoJan 25 21:46
schestowitz@Jakub Klawiter The back-end is built, the front-end is not. Discussed at my Migration Issues post linked above, and again, hereJan 25 21:46
schestowitzhttps://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/ef340f905469013a0101448a5b29e257Jan 25 21:46
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-diaspora.glasswings.com | Joindiaspora Migration / Exodus Planning / Discussion ThreadJan 25 21:46
schestowitzAgain a reminder that THIS THREAD HERE will cease to be active or interactive after JoindiasporaCom shuts down.Jan 25 21:46
schestowitzMulkurulJan 25 21:46
schestowitzMulkurul - 6 days agoJan 25 21:46
schestowitzWhy is there no ‘comment box’ available to me on that glasswings post ?Jan 25 21:46
schestowitz0mega ☣ [d*]Jan 25 21:46
schestowitz0mega ☣ [d*] - 6 days agoJan 25 21:46
schestowitz@Mulkurul Try this linkJan 25 21:46
schestowitz**joeJan 25 21:46
schestowitz**joe - 6 days agoJan 25 21:46
schestowitzBecause your account is on diasp.eu, not glasswings,Mulkurul. Try this:Jan 25 21:46
schestowitzhttps://diasp.eu/posts/ef340f905469013a0101448a5b29e257Jan 25 21:46
schestowitzMulkurulJan 25 21:46
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-diasp.eu | Joindiaspora Migration / Exodus Planning / Discussion ThreadJan 25 21:46
schestowitzMulkurul - 6 days agoJan 25 21:46
schestowitzThx. O & Joe…Jan 25 21:46
schestowitzDoc Edward MorbiusJan 25 21:46
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius - 6 days agoJan 25 21:46
schestowitz@Mulkurul The “here” text should be a sharable link.Jan 25 21:46
schestowitzI like to expose the full URL for posts for those who aren’t on Diaspora* instances (Diaspora*-style links and references don’t work for them), and in the event the post is printed out or otherwise has hyperlinks rendered unusable.Jan 25 21:46
schestowitzJakub KlawiterJan 25 21:46
schestowitzJakub Klawiter - 6 days agoJan 25 21:46
schestowitzMany ppl are turning off email notification, they are not here right now. Is it possible to send them one time email with link to this post and short instruction how to export their profiles? @podmin@joindiaspora.com?Jan 25 21:46
schestowitzMulkurulJan 25 21:46
schestowitzMulkurul - 5 days agoJan 25 21:46
schestowitzOkay thanks Doc.Jan 25 21:46
schestowitzPavithran SJan 25 21:46
schestowitzPavithran S - 5 days agoJan 25 21:46
schestowitzCan we use the API to dump our profile content to a tar zipped file @Fla should have an idea about it.Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius (defunct account)Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius (defunct account) - 5 days agoJan 25 21:47
schestowitz@Pavithran S The profile export tools will do this for you and are far simpler for most people.Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzmʕ•ﻌ•ʔm jesuiSatire bitPickupJan 25 21:47
schestowitzmʕ•ﻌ•ʔm jesuiSatire bitPickup - 5 days agoJan 25 21:47
schestowitzfirst of all:Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzlooks like we need to lift the spirit a littel bit …Jan 25 21:47
schestowitz¡JD is going down!Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzmʕ•ﻌ•ʔm jesuiSatire bitPickupJan 25 21:47
schestowitzmʕ•ﻌ•ʔm jesuiSatire bitPickup - 5 days agoJan 25 21:47
schestowitzquestion:Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzWhat would be the cost to simply place the site on a server per year?Jan 25 21:47
schestowitz(without updating, moderaing or perhaps even giving further access to the existing users)Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzDr_SteveJan 25 21:47
schestowitzDr_Steve - 2 days agoJan 25 21:47
schestowitzI presume it is more involved than I am able to simply spin up a digital ocean droplet and install the diaspora code base and then to federate it with other droplets. But once there is a codebase that is simple and easy to deploy that can be used in that way, then we’ll have individual freedom and control to socially network with one another using one application. I just have a simple website hosted, of course most of my IRL contacts will just Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzremain on all of the spyware sites.Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzDr_SteveJan 25 21:47
schestowitzDr_Steve - 2 days agoJan 25 21:47
schestowitzAlso one of the original coder writers for diaspora had envisioned decentralized encryption for all of the data and users. It never was implemented prior to their death however and nothing has been done to make that part of the whole set-up. Now people will join other social media platforms run by other smaller entities to avoid censorship to a greater extent. We need great code writers for privacy and individual liberty to create something that is Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzsimple to deploy on individual servers, that can network with other individuals using GPG. I don’t have the knowledge and skill-set to create such a thing, nor the time.Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzDoc Edward MorbiusJan 25 21:47
schestowitzDoc Edward Morbius - 2 days agoJan 25 21:47
schestowitzI’d like to note that we’ve seen no further communication from the JoindiasporaCom podmin account in 14 days.Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzI’ve also had no response to direct email sent to Lukas Matts’ personal email account. (He’s responded to that on other issues previously.)Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzLast I attempted to use the official support email account, September/October of 2021, that apparently simply vanished silently into a black hole.Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzCommunications here are not going well.Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzI’d specifically like to know:Jan 25 21:47
schestowitz    Are there any active plans to migrate JoindiasporaCom to new ownership/management?Jan 25 21:47
schestowitz    Who if anyone is involved in this?Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzI understand that @Fla may have expressed an interest.Jan 25 21:47
schestowitzI’ve also posted this separately hereJan 25 21:47
schestowitzhttps://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/9894df705eed013a2cb0448a5b29e257Jan 25 21:47
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-diaspora.glasswings.com | On the JoindiasporCom shutdown and podmin communicationsJan 25 21:47
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