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| schestowitz | [14:36] <Old_Man> If the blackmailing ops are gone from freenode, why don't you undo the +q you put on me? | May 27 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | [14:37] <schestowitz> let's wait a few more days | May 27 01:21 |
| schestowitz | [14:37] <schestowitz> there if flux everywhere | May 27 01:21 |
| schestowitz | [14:37] <schestowitz> *is | May 27 01:21 |
| schestowitz | [14:37] <Old_Man> Okay, but it does still keep you pretty hypocritical, if you're still maintaining the kinds of bans/silences you decry from others. | May 27 01:21 |
| schestowitz | [14:53] <schestowitz> things need to cool down a bit | May 27 01:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: thoughts? | May 27 01:21 |
| MinceR | who is he referring to? | May 27 01:22 |
| MinceR | we quieted Old_Man because A.C. blackmailed us? | May 27 01:25 |
| schestowitz | more or less | May 27 01:27 |
| MinceR | in that case, we would want to change our hosting first | May 27 01:28 |
| MinceR | can the website be simplified (maybe removing video/audio files) to be hostable with a much lower storage requirement? that way we could at least mirror most of the site more cheaply | May 27 01:28 |
| schestowitz | we have gemini, ipfs etc. | May 27 01:30 |
| schestowitz | but tbh, moving hosts isn't a good idea | May 27 01:30 |
| schestowitz | not based upon something so relatively minor | May 27 01:30 |
| schestowitz | I guess the question is, | May 27 01:30 |
| MinceR | a corrupting influence is not minor | May 27 01:30 |
| schestowitz | would it be ok to return all but the Google trolls | May 27 01:31 |
| schestowitz | or troll | May 27 01:31 |
| MinceR | also, we don't have to move if we can have multiple instances at the same time | May 27 01:31 |
| MinceR | then any host can pull the plug and we'll be unaffected | May 27 01:31 |
| schestowitz | yes, well.. good luck finding additional mirrors etc on the cheap | May 27 01:31 |
| schestowitz | and ones you can trust with the data | May 27 01:31 |
| MinceR | cost depends on how large the site is, hence my earlier question | May 27 01:32 |
| MinceR | where is the gemini version hosted? | May 27 01:32 |
| schestowitz | home | May 27 01:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: give him voice back | May 27 01:33 |
| MinceR | ok | May 27 01:33 |
| schestowitz | and let's hope it'll be calm | May 27 01:33 |
| MinceR | done | May 27 01:33 |
| schestowitz | thanks | May 27 01:33 |
| MinceR | np | May 27 01:33 |
| MinceR | i guess it all comes down to how much you mind if the website goes down, how much do you think it suppresses our message | May 27 01:34 |
| MinceR | they can't take down our IRC presence, or gemini, or IPFS | May 27 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: well, the other protocols are there for eggs being in many baskets | May 27 02:29 |
| schestowitz | techrights has zero presence in social control media | May 27 02:29 |
| schestowitz | those sites are worthless | May 27 02:29 |
| MinceR | sure, but do you consider the general audience to be savvy enough so that silencing the web presence does not suppress us? | May 27 02:29 |
| schestowitz | well, the web site was always there, except during major ddos | May 27 02:37 |
| schestowitz | which in 2008 or 2009 caused the web host to pull the plug (DDOS) | May 27 02:38 |
| MinceR | yeah, but it won't be there once the host pulls the plug because someone says something she does not like | May 27 03:02 |
| schestowitz | that depends | May 27 03:27 |
| schestowitz | we are on good terms currently | May 27 03:27 |
| schestowitz | there's also a complete offsite copy | May 27 03:27 |
| schestowitz | or was | May 27 03:27 |
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| MinceR | if we want to speak freely, we should not depend on her | May 27 05:39 |
| MinceR | especially if the linux-destroying foundation really has control over her | May 27 05:39 |
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| schestowitz | = | May 27 09:23 |
| schestowitz | x https://odysee.com/@Lunduke:e/BiggestLinuxEvent:1 | May 27 09:23 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-odysee.com | We Just Held The Biggest In-Person Linux Event of the Last Year! | May 27 09:23 | |
| schestowitz | # multi-state spreader event; how long before bryan starts quoting qanon? | May 27 09:23 |
| schestowitz | = | May 27 09:23 |
| schestowitz | x https://olimex.wordpress.com/2021/05/26/we-moved-our-irc-chat-channel-olimex-to-libera-chat/ | May 27 09:23 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-olimex.wordpress.com | We moved our irc chat channel #olimex to Libera.chat | olimex | May 27 09:23 | |
| schestowitz | # :( | May 27 09:23 |
| schestowitz | x https://venturebeat.com/2021/05/26/microsoft-to-drive-italys-digital-transformation-with-defense-partner/ | May 27 09:26 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-venturebeat.com | Microsoft to drive Italy's digital transformation with defense partner | VentureBeat | May 27 09:26 | |
| schestowitz | = | May 27 09:26 |
| schestowitz | x https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/27/uspto_pdf_charge/ | May 27 09:26 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theregister.com | US Patent Office to take only DOCX in future – or PDFs if you pay extra • The Register | May 27 09:26 | |
| schestowitz | # DOCX is *not* the same as ECMA-376 and ISO/IEC 29500, they are | May 27 09:26 |
| schestowitz | # spreading a lie | May 27 09:26 |
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| schestowitz | [08:20] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> fsfellowship.eu is a sockpuppet domain used by pocock to harass FOSS developers who do not deserve it | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:20] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> just so you are aware | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:20] <schestowitz__> is it just him? | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:20] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yes | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:21] <schestowitz__> ok, thanks | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:22] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> if you would like a scoop that would actually be worth covering, dig into pocock's "Free Software Contributors Association" | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:23] <schestowitz__> I never heard of that term | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:23] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> it claims to be an incorporated charity in germany, but the german corporate register has no record of it | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:23] <schestowitz__> he's in Switzerland, I think | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:23] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> as i now have a board position involving xxxxxxxx, i have decided to recuse myself from such ugly business | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:24] <schestowitz__> he did problematic things lately | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:24] <schestowitz__> to several debian people | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:24] <schestowitz__> so I stopped reprinting | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:24] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> elana hashman is one of those debian people | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:25] <schestowitz__> Former debian | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:25] <schestowitz__> she did some problematic things this year as well | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:25] <schestowitz__> and I think they can still amend their letter | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:25] <schestowitz__> it contains falsehoods | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [08:26] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> she is an active member of the debian technical committee | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:26] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> so not 'former' debian | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:26] <schestowitz__> She has a hand in many things | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:26] <schestowitz__> I mostly ignored her OSI role | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:26] <schestowitz__> but that becomes more troubling in recent months | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:27] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i have noticed that OSI is largely becoming an advertising vector for tidelift | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:27] <schestowitz__> that too | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:27] <schestowitz__> luis villa et al | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:27] <schestowitz__> former Moz and OSI | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:27] <schestowitz__> many of those orgs are connected | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:27] <schestowitz__> tidelift is also IBM (Red Hat) | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:27] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i mean, i don't care about that personally | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:28] <schestowitz__> many people are being misled | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:28] <schestowitz__> to deflect the anger | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:28] <schestowitz__> IBM does some very bad things this year | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:29] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> true | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:29] <schestowitz__> patents, spying and more | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:29] <schestowitz__> they still blackmail companies | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:29] <schestowitz__> and they screwed with communities like CentOS, Fedora is very hollow | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [...] | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:40] <schestowitz__> leads to future conerns | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:40] <schestowitz__> 5 days ago, microwave with linux | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:40] <schestowitz__> to connect to Google | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:40] <schestowitz__> and have always-on microphone | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:40] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> linux does not belong on life critical systems imo | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:40] <schestowitz__> microwave-microphone in the news this past week | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:40] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> it is not designed for that | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:40] <schestowitz__> RTOS works ok | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:40] <schestowitz__> but | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:41] <schestowitz__> the engs throw linux at everything | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:41] <schestowitz__> with open telnet ports and stuff | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:41] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> there are FOSS RTOSes out there :) | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:41] <schestowitz__> and then the fun begins.. | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:41] <schestowitz__> because the small circuits are powerful enough now | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:41] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> anyway, i think it is pretty funny | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:42] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> the systemd crowd, they think they are winning | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:42] <schestowitz__> it does spread a lot | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:42] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> while slowly xxxxx has just chipped away | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:42] <schestowitz__> one day I hope the sites will run on current alpine, as security at the very least would be improved | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:42] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> hopefully soon | May 27 12:05 |
| schestowitz | [08:43] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i've been up to my neck in xxx governance and security stuff for the past month and a half | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:43] <schestowitz__> that's fine :-) | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:43] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> the good news is, there is a lot of budget out there for xxxx | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:43] <schestowitz__> we did well in the mean time, the techbytes show is back on | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:44] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> and LF is good at finding it | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:44] <schestowitz__> LF is all about money | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:44] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yep | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:44] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i appreciate that about them :) | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:44] <schestowitz__> starting salary $300,000/annum | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:44] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> haha nah | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:44] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> they don't pay that good :p | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:44] <schestowitz__> for management level | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:44] <schestowitz__> IRS filings show the whole lot | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:45] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> maybe zemlin and them get paid like that | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:45] <schestowitz__> Zemlin is almost a million now, tax free | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:45] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> the engineers get compensated nicely | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:45] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but not 300k nicely :p | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:45] <schestowitz__> Greg K-H 2-3 years ago: $400k/annum | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:45] <schestowitz__> I took a screenshot 2 weeks ago | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:45] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> tbh he deserves every penny | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:46] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> it is not easy working a job like Greg K-H has to deal with | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:46] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> being second in command means you have to deal with all the shit, but you don't get the glory :p | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:47] <schestowitz__> I'm ok with him | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:47] <schestowitz__> he commented many times in techrights | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:47] <schestowitz__> he's very professional.. when he needs to be http://techrights.org/2019/08/15/professionalism-myth/ | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:47] <schestowitz__> but he commented like 10+ years ago | May 27 12:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | The Myth of ‘Professionalism’ | Techrights | May 27 12:06 | |
| schestowitz | [08:48] <schestowitz__> I am doing a poem now | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:48] <schestowitz__> "Act More 'Professional'" | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:48] <schestowitz__> it's a satire about the suits | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:48] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> strangely you can thank LF for the increase of activity on my blog :p | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:48] <schestowitz__> that's good | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:48] <schestowitz__> notice zemlin is being hidden now | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:49] <schestowitz__> rianne says it's likely because he's seen as a liability | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:49] <schestowitz__> and risk | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:49] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> zemlin is enthusiastic about free software, but he sometimes gets ahead of himself | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:49] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> he definitely "gets" it | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:50] <schestowitz__> gets, pockets | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:50] <schestowitz__> AWS 'gets' "Cloud" | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:50] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> executive compensation is always ridiculous | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:51] <schestowitz__> they operated at a loss | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | [08:51] <schestowitz__> because of those salaries | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:51] <schestowitz__> http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/the-linux-racket/ | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:51] <schestowitz__> "" | May 27 12:07 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Exceeds $100,000,000 in Revenue and Jim Zemlin Now Pays Himself About a Million Dollars a Year While ‘His’ Foundation Operates at a Loss of $732,261 | Techrights | May 27 12:07 | |
| schestowitz | [08:51] <schestowitz__> "The Linux Foundation Exceeds $100,000,000 in Revenue and Jim Zemlin Now Pays Himself About a Million Dollars a Year While ‘His’ Foundation Operates at a Loss of $732,261" | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:52] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :D | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:54] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i mean, i can't say i disagree that executive compensation runs hot there :p | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:54] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> obviously i would support more pay for engineers and less pay for fat | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:55] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i do think they have changed things up a bit though since then :) | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:55] <schestowitz__> it's part of a broader issue, imho | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:55] <schestowitz__> like, how we get dominated by buzzwords | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:56] <schestowitz__> which gives advantage in dialogue to less technical people | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:56] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> the issue i want to solve is making sure people are getting paid to write free software | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:56] <schestowitz__> who then elevate themselves | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:56] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> so far, LF has done the best job at making that happen | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:56] <schestowitz__> they can blame "edge" and "clown" and stuff | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:56] <schestowitz__> free software helps sell manhours and support | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:56] <schestowitz__> but they say manhour is a bad word | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:56] <schestowitz__> which is a distraction | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:56] <schestowitz__> from the low pay | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:56] <schestowitz__> or no pay at all | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:57] <schestowitz__> exploitation | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:57] <schestowitz__> I do free sw for a living | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:57] <schestowitz__> last night | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:57] <schestowitz__> I just need to watch, patch etc. some servers | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:57] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> sure, but i don't want to "sell support" | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:57] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> there are 2 billion devices running xxxx in the world, i should be paid to maintain xxxx | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:57] <schestowitz__> helps me buy my food | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:58] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> LF solved this problem for xxxx | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:58] <schestowitz__> good | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:58] <schestowitz__> for everyone | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:58] <schestowitz__> LF is not ALL bad | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:58] <schestowitz__> I never said it was | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:58] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i'm just saying that time spent having to chase support contracts or sponsorship funding is time that could be spent producing free software | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:59] <schestowitz__> yes, I mostly get no hassle where I work | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [08:59] <schestowitz__> I get paid on time, not much, but it keeps me focused on activism | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [09:00] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> certainly valid | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [09:00] <schestowitz__> I also keep in touch with latest 'tech' | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [09:00] <schestowitz__> hands-on | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [09:00] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i rather just produce the latest tech | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [09:00] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :p | May 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | [09:01] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> when profitability is incorporated into the design decisions of technology, you get systemd | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:01] <schestowitz__> stonk: 'tehc' | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:01] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i am trying to undo some grave injustices that have happened | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:02] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> IBM ruining GNU/Linux with systemd and other crapware being a big one | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:02] <schestowitz__> thomas lord btw wrote about the shouting by RMS | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:02] <schestowitz__> might be of relevance to your colleague's grievances | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:02] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i think everyone has largely said their piece | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:03] <schestowitz__> yeah, this one if from april | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:03] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> some have retracted their signature from the RMS open letter due to their revision of it | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:03] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i am considering doing so as well | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:04] <schestowitz__> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-04/msg00098.html | May 27 12:08 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-lists.gnu.org | Re: Support RMS | May 27 12:08 | |
| schestowitz | [09:04] <schestowitz__> yes, we mentioned the commits that remove sigs | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:04] <schestowitz__> elana did almost all of them | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:04] <schestowitz__> I get the whole repo here once in a few days and study it | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:05] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i think more productive approaches are necessary | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:05] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> turning GNU into a radical tech collective, for example | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:06] <schestowitz__> if done right | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:06] <schestowitz__> not by doing IBM-backed mob tactics | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:06] <schestowitz__> because that causes unrest | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:06] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> the GNU assembly is not IBM-backed | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:06] <schestowitz__> and burns people out | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:06] <schestowitz__> some bloggers were so emotional over it and took a break | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:07] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i don't know | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:07] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i've been busy doing actual work | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:07] <schestowitz__> good | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:07] <schestowitz__> good time to take a break | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:07] <schestowitz__> it was chaotic | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:07] <schestowitz__> rms gives a talk tomorrow | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:07] <schestowitz__> 1.5 hours | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:08] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i think rms is an important historical figure, but he's far from the only one | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:08] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i need to focus on the future | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:08] <schestowitz__> true, but it's making a point | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:09] <schestowitz__> as there is an effort to have a go at people whom the monopolies don't like | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:09] <schestowitz__> because they don't even want to acknowledge where it all came from | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:09] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> it didn't "all" come from RMS though | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:09] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> the boys at berkeley were already hard at work rewriting AT&T UNIX one piece at a time by the time GNU came along | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:10] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> by working together, it was possible to build a free system | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:10] <schestowitz__> yes, but BSD suffered from the lawsuits and stuff | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:10] <schestowitz__> maybe that changed because gnu was gaining momentum | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:11] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> right now i am focusing on wrestling away the CVE system from corporate america | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | [09:12] <schestowitz__> I saw your post | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:12] <schestowitz__> and others' | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:12] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> you haven't seen this post yet | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:12] <schestowitz__> and saw proposal for replacements | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <schestowitz__> Josh Bressers: https://opensourcesecurity.io/2021/03/30/its-time-to-fix-cve/ | May 27 12:09 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-opensourcesecurity.io | It’s time to fix CVE – Open Source Security | May 27 12:09 | |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> there's a lot of talk, we are building some cool shit | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> xxx is this coming weekend | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <schestowitz__> excellent! | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> you'll want to watch it | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <schestowitz__> we've long written about that | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <schestowitz__> the monopoly over security and trust | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:14] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> that's also what sigstore is about btw | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:14] <schestowitz__> fireeye is part of them | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:14] <schestowitz__> they try to shape the narrative of safety as well | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:14] <schestowitz__> and they have contracts with the "Big boys" | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:14] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> the endgame for sigstore is to supplant microsoft as the UEFI trust root | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:14] <schestowitz__> sigstore needs to be chains to the community | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:14] <schestowitz__> not the LF | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:14] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> it is | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:14] <schestowitz__> otherwise it's another Microsoft UEFI | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:14] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> anyone can set up their own sigstore root | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:14] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> LF has just offered to cross-sign | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:15] <schestowitz__> people cannot even upgrade Ubuntu on old systems now | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:15] <schestowitz__> UEFI would not let it boot! | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:15] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yep | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:16] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> anyway, deep dive into sigstore soon | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:16] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but LF being the only root isn't the plan | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:16] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> that root is primarily for cross signing | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:16] <schestowitz__> I see... | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:16] <schestowitz__> if it's explained a lot in many blogs, they'll not centralise it | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:16] <schestowitz__> like gitlab.COM | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:16] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> it's a chicken and egg thing | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:17] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> that's the problem with x509 | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:17] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> you need a trusted root | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:17] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> so to bootstrap, you cross-sign other roots | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:17] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> each project is supposed to be their own CA basically | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:17] <schestowitz__> for gemini I self-sign the cert | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:17] <schestowitz__> gemini is permissive about it | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:18] <schestowitz__> not Googlezilla and Google etc. | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:18] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> that's not good | May 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:18] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> because NSA can generate a gemini.techrights.org cert | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:18] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> and snoop on your traffic | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:18] <schestowitz__> it can | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:18] <schestowitz__> someone made a fake cerf for email domain of mine last week | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:18] <schestowitz__> so now we create a new free cerf for it | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:18] <schestowitz__> it's not my main domain | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:18] <schestowitz__> just bytesmedia.co.uk | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:18] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> for signing tarballs, containers, binaries, etc | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:19] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> you don't want a system where somebody can spoof you | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:19] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but you also want it to be "simple" | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:19] <schestowitz__> it does warm me about the change | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:19] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> so, that's what sigstore tries to do | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:19] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> enable projects to run their own x509 CA for signing | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:19] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> and then LF will cross-sign your CA certificate to enable it to be trusted | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:20] <schestowitz__> as long as it doesn't become another "appstore"... | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:20] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but longer term there is supposed to be a bundle | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:20] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> of known good trust roots | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:20] <schestowitz__> that's a political risk | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:20] <schestowitz__> they use that to wield power | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:20] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> so you have LF, GitHub, Gitlab, GNOME foundation, KDE, Alpine, Debian, etc | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:20] <schestowitz__> and this is what gemini tries to avoid | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:20] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yes, unfortunately x509 is the best solution we have for idiot-proof security | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:21] <schestowitz__> yeah | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:21] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> the SSH model does not work because people just click "OK" | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:21] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> and then they are owned | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:21] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> this is something gemini will have to deal with if it gains enough popularity to be targeted by nation states | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:22] <schestowitz__> people discussed it last week | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:22] <schestowitz__> like bundle of certs | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:22] <schestowitz__> while the total number of capsules is still small | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:22] <schestowitz__> it's over 1000 now | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:22] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> congratulations, you reinvented x509 ;) | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:22] <schestowitz__> techrights is the biggest capsule | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:22] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> except worse | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:23] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> anyway, dan lorenc is a pretty smart cryptography dude | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:23] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> he's just not good at explaining things in simple terms | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:23] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but sigstore is something we want | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:24] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> the alternative is centralized points of authority, like gitlab's docker container registry service | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:24] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> or github releases | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:24] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> or github registry | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:24] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> or github this, github that | May 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:24] <schestowitz__> github as a whole needs to g | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:24] <schestowitz__> *go | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:24] <schestowitz__> for many reasons | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:24] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> sigstore is about moving us past stuff like github/gitlab.com | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:24] <schestowitz__> projects are too centralised there | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:24] <schestowitz__> and it's in PRISM etc. | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:25] <schestowitz__> GitHub is perfect pwning tool for a nation state | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:25] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> agreed | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:25] <schestowitz__> they can even custom-tailor your download | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:25] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but it's so damn convenient | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:25] <schestowitz__> for them too | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:25] <schestowitz__> the states | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:25] <schestowitz__> like FB and Twitter are | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:25] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yep | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:25] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> for everyone | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:25] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :p | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:25] <schestowitz__> better than 10 million blobs | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:25] <schestowitz__> you nuke people in one place and bam | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:25] <schestowitz__> *blogs | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:26] <schestowitz__> now all the 'blogs' are just 'account' in some companies with shareholders | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:26] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> the best part of sigstore is | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:26] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> if you don't trust LF | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:26] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> who cares | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:26] <schestowitz__> twitter had my account banned for 3 months for talking about patents on vaccines | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:26] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> anyone can countersign a project's root certificate | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:26] <schestowitz__> 3 months before Biden went like, "ROY IS RIGHT" ;0-) | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:26] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> so you can trust somebody else :) | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:27] <schestowitz__> some profs wrote to Twitter's CEO and my account was reinstated | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:27] <schestowitz__> Twitter is still a problem | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:27] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> twitter sucks | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:27] <schestowitz__> I am write-only in that site (copies) | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:27] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> fediverse also sucks | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:27] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> diaspora is crickets | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:28] <schestowitz__> the concepts are bad | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:28] <schestowitz__> the topology | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:28] <schestowitz__> also not efficient | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:28] <schestowitz__> federation, web bloat | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:28] <schestowitz__> so much for just one sentence | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:28] <schestowitz__> I'd serve a whole long article for as many bytes | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:28] <schestowitz__> and avoid confusion | May 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:29] <schestowitz__> concision leads to ambiguity and "misunderstandings" | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [09:29] <schestowitz__> people cited out of context | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [09:29] <schestowitz__> it's why I left Twitter last year: http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/ | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [09:30] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> pocock uses the same tactics as the twitter trolls do | May 27 12:12 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Social Control Media: Where ‘Cancel Culture’ Thrives | Techrights | May 27 12:12 | |
| schestowitz | [09:31] <schestowitz__> home addresses ought not be posted | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [09:31] <schestowitz__> some people did this tp me | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [09:31] <schestowitz__> threatening violence | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [09:31] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> anyway night | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [09:32] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> lots of work to do | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [09:32] <schestowitz__> cool | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [09:32] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> xxxx is gonna have some big talks worth covering tho | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [09:32] <schestowitz__> gn | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [11:52] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx preliminary xxxx schedule: xxxxx | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [11:52] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx yes, i know, its a google sheet :p | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [12:00] <schestowitz__> postmarketOS is a good project | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [12:00] <schestowitz__> will it be streaming? | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [12:01] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx yes | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [12:01] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on bigbluebutton | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [12:01] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 100% free software streaming setup :) | May 27 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [12:01] <schestowitz__> it worked well for FSF | May 27 12:12 |
| MinceR | pushing kdbus wasn't very professional | May 27 16:22 |
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