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schestowitz>>>>> Did he specify what was not correct?  If there are genuine errors I tryAug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>>>> to correct them but if people don't tell me directly and they run aroundAug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>>>> speaking to people behind my back then I don't know there is anything toAug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>>>> correct.Aug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>>> It was about a suicide around xmas, but I cannot recall the details.Aug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>> I have the coronor's report, the final verdict was accident.  OfAug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>> particular note, Wayland tried to call 999Aug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>>Aug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>> I checked over the blog to make sure the word suicide is not there.  IfAug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>> you copied the word suicide into any of your posts I would recommendAug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>> removing it.Aug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>>Aug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>> On the other hand, I feel it was an avoidable accident.  Lucy WaylandAug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>> became very drunk shortly after the Debian Christmas lynchings.  ThisAug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>> type of thing happens more frequently in organizations with a toxic culture.Aug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>>Aug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>> If you email and ring a coronor a few times they eventually release aAug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>> copy of a report.  As it contains private medical information I don'tAug 28 00:37
schestowitz>>> feel comfortable forwarding it to anybody myself.Aug 28 00:37
schestowitz>> Maybe I recall this incorrectly. But somehow said your description ofAug 28 00:37
schestowitz>> the event was not accurate. Not my words...Aug 28 00:37
schestowitz> The original blog post included the Amnesty employee suicides.  That wasAug 28 00:37
schestowitz> written before the coroner's verdict so it may have caused confusion.  IAug 28 00:37
schestowitz> do have some more material on Lucy Wayland but I don't intend to use itAug 28 00:37
schestowitz> disrespectfully.Aug 28 00:37
schestowitz>Aug 28 00:38
schestowitz> https://natashatracy.com/bipolar-disorder/havent-killed-yourself-already/Aug 28 00:38
schestowitz>Aug 28 00:38
schestowitz> They key point in the link and screenshot attached is that Wayland wasAug 28 00:38
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-natashatracy.com | Why Haven’t You Killed Yourself Already? | Bipolar Burble Blog | Natasha TracyAug 28 00:38
schestowitz> particularly vulnerable and Debian may have been a hazard for her.Aug 28 00:38
schestowitz> Search for her nick, aardvark + the right keywords and you may find more.Aug 28 00:38
schestowitz>Aug 28 00:38
schestowitz> There are some other surprise topics for future blogs still saved away.Aug 28 00:38
schestowitz>  Can you guess which DebConf hid $35,000 profit from the volunteers?Aug 28 00:38
schestowitz> There is a nice email about it.Aug 28 00:38
schestowitz>Aug 28 00:38
schestowitz> A special gift for the bank holiday weekend, the debian-live thread.  IAug 28 00:38
schestowitz> didn't have time to check it thoroughly yet.  If you decide to useAug 28 00:38
schestowitz> anything from it you can always link to existing background on the issue.Aug 28 00:38
schestowitz> https://debian.community/daniel-baumann-experiment-expulsion-blackmail-shaming-humiliation-servitude/Aug 28 00:38
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-debian.community | The Daniel Baumann experiment: blackmail, expulsion, humiliation, shaming and servitudeAug 28 00:38
schestowitz>Aug 28 00:38
schestowitz> The Appelbaum blog has had more than 10x the traffic of other blogs.  IAug 28 00:38
schestowitz> think it resonates with people, maybe because the emails are veryAug 28 00:38
schestowitz> factual or maybe it is just his big profile.  I really only looked at aAug 28 00:38
schestowitz> small number of the emails, maybe there is similar stuff from otherAug 28 00:38
schestowitz> people but I stopped looking when I had enough for a first blog on it.Aug 28 00:38
schestowitz>Aug 28 00:38
schestowitz> Do you have any ideas to maintain the Appelbaum momentum in a positiveAug 28 00:38
schestowitz> way?  I don't think the Zinis of this world are going to change theirAug 28 00:38
schestowitz> decision or change their behaviour in future, the only thing that mightAug 28 00:38
schestowitz> come out of this is that other volunteers will be more welcoming ofAug 28 00:38
schestowitz> Appelbaum while some might make a little more effort to work aroundAug 28 00:38
schestowitz> people like Zini.Aug 28 00:38
schestowitzSome weeks ago I was about to suggest, would you be interested in Techrights reproducing those posts, with links to the originals? Our baseline readership is about 3,000 per article (direct views), sometimes 10k, sometimes even 150k (earlier this month). Of course I'd need to ask for permission.Aug 28 00:38
schestowitzI think it can help un-cancel and make that more mainstream an issue.Aug 28 00:38
schestowitzI've taken a quick look at the attachments and debian private mailing lists. If necessary, I have tools to turn these into html archives. The people whom it can piss off (Neil at al) aren't a loss really... seeing how they treat productive contributors and valuable activists.Aug 28 00:38
schestowitzIf you agree, I can reproduce one post per day (throttling for easier digestion), always with link to the original (search engines correctly interpret those as directives for correctly-attributed traffic).Aug 28 00:38
schestowitzIf people say stuff like, "techrights supports blah blah blah" I really don't care.. as long as the underlying facts are correct.Aug 28 00:38
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schestowitz[07:03] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/all-about-jim/Aug 28 07:09
schestowitz[07:03] <schestowitz> # what's in the video?Aug 28 07:09
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | All About Me, Who Doesn’t Even Use GNU/Linux | TechrightsAug 28 07:09
schestowitz[07:03] <schestowitz> MP4Aug 28 07:09
schestowitzI am guessing your browser does not support it, but Firefox on GNU/Linux does because Mozilla paid for a licence. What format to use instead? (If that's what you meant to address)Aug 28 07:09
schestowitz[07:00] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/gates-of-the-linux-foundation/Aug 28 07:09
schestowitz[07:00] <schestowitz> # I'm guessing there is something in the JPEG image in place of a post?Aug 28 07:09
schestowitzI am guessing you meant the text could instead be added in  textual form, not screenshot. Or am I misunderstanding?Aug 28 07:09
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | [Meme] The Linux Foundation Views GNU/Linux Users as a Nuisance | TechrightsAug 28 07:09
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schestowitz>> I am guessing your browser does not support it, but Firefox on GNU/LinuxAug 28 11:38
schestowitz>> does because Mozilla paid for a licence. What format to use instead? (IfAug 28 11:38
schestowitz>> that's what you meant to address)Aug 28 11:38
schestowitz> WebM maybe?  Or there could be other options by now.Aug 28 11:38
schestowitzThe main issue is, the web-based video clipper I use does not support ogg and webm.  Do you have a recommendation?Aug 28 11:38
schestowitzhttps://thegrayzone.com/2020/08/28/us-sanctions-russian-research-institute-covid-19-vaccine/Aug 28 11:43
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-thegrayzone.com | U.S. imposes sanctions on Russian research institute that developed Covid-19 vaccine | The GrayzoneAug 28 11:43
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schestowitz>> Some weeks ago I was about to suggest, would you be interested inAug 28 18:30
schestowitz>> Techrights reproducing those posts, with links to the originals? OurAug 28 18:30
schestowitz>> baseline readership is about 3,000 per article (direct views), sometimesAug 28 18:30
schestowitz>> 10k, sometimes even 150k (earlier this month). Of course I'd need to askAug 28 18:30
schestowitz>> for permission.>> Feel free to go ahead and do thatAug 28 18:30
schestowitzExcellent, thank you. I will need to carefully think about the order they're presented, and/or how to tie those in with current events/issues (like the latest push to throw Linux the kernel at GitHub). I think you know what I mean. We tend to not "hit" issues at random (EPO, IBM...) as there's a logical sequence.Aug 28 18:30
schestowitz>> I think it can help un-cancel and make that more mainstream an issue.Aug 28 18:30
schestowitz> I think the next key thing to use might be promoting the poll:Aug 28 18:30
schestowitz>Aug 28 18:30
schestowitz> https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl?id=E_67f9e42b56b39a30Aug 28 18:30
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-civs.cs.cornell.edu | CIVS Vote: Linux Australia apology to Jacob Appelbaum?Aug 28 18:30
schestowitz>Aug 28 18:30
schestowitz> Announced end of poll: 4 September 2020 18:00 UTCAug 28 18:30
schestowitzThere's a post advertising this poll. I'll make sure it's reposted by month's end.Aug 28 18:30
schestowitz>> I've taken a quick look at the attachments and debian private mailingAug 28 18:30
schestowitz>> lists. If necessary, I have tools to turn these into html archives. TheAug 28 18:30
schestowitz>> people whom it can piss off (Neil at al) aren't a loss really... seeingAug 28 18:31
schestowitz>> how they treat productive contributors and valuable activists.Aug 28 18:31
schestowitz> I'm guessing that sooner or later pissed-off volunteers will make moreAug 28 18:31
schestowitz> bulk leaks into the IPFS cloud, HTML formatted and it will be possibleAug 28 18:31
schestowitz> to link into that as well.Aug 28 18:31
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Selected_Mail/2020/Debian-private/Aug 28 18:31
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-schestowitz.com | Debian privateAug 28 18:31
schestowitzI already receive several angry E-mails (not angry at me, angry at Debian admins for things they said).Aug 28 18:31
schestowitz> Have you tried running the IPFS daemon and pinning a copy of theAug 28 18:31
schestowitz> existing debian-private ZIP?Aug 28 18:31
schestowitzIf there's a larger mbox/eml archive somewhere, I'd like to have a copy.Aug 28 18:31
schestowitz>> If you agree, I can reproduce one post per day (throttling for easierAug 28 18:31
schestowitz>> digestion), always with link to the original (search engines correctlyAug 28 18:31
schestowitz>> interpret those as directives for correctly-attributed traffic).>> Feel free to use that thread however you see fit.  Even if it is notAug 28 18:31
schestowitz> every day it will probably be helpful for innocent volunteers.Aug 28 18:31
schestowitzI posted what I have and will link to things within context, e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/08/28/debian-pr-issue/Aug 28 18:31
schestowitzTransparency.Aug 28 18:31
schestowitzIf not "now"... then later.Aug 28 18:31
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Joachim Breitner Explains the Debian “PR Problem” and How to Better Handle Such Problems | TechrightsAug 28 18:31
schestowitzTransparency is why we publish IRC logs every day.Aug 28 18:31
schestowitz Aug 28 18:31
schestowitz>> If people say stuff like, "techrights supports blah blah blah" I reallyAug 28 18:31
schestowitz>> don't care.. as long as the underlying facts are correct.Aug 28 18:31
schestowitz>>Aug 28 18:31
schestowitz> The hidden DebConf13 profit is quite a big thing, SPI's 501(c)(3)Aug 28 18:31
schestowitz> charitable status could be compromised.Aug 28 18:31
schestowitzYou must read this also:  http://techrights.org/2020/06/11/gnome-money/Aug 28 18:31
schestowitz> The debian-private email suggests they wanted to spend the money.  ButAug 28 18:31
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | [Humour] Where Did GNOME Foundation Put All That Money? | TechrightsAug 28 18:31
schestowitz> they didn't actually spend most of the money, it just stayed in theAug 28 18:31
schestowitz> debian.ch (Swiss non-profit) bank account.Aug 28 18:31
schestowitzMicrosoft appears not to have sponsored DebConf this year: (unless the funding was made secret/concealed)Aug 28 18:31
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141475Aug 28 18:31
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian: DebConf20 Sponsors (Microsoft Money Rejected for First Time Since 2016) and Debcamp/LTS Activities | Tux MachinesAug 28 18:31
schestowitz> Maybe somebody can go to the debian-switzerland list and publicly askAug 28 18:31
schestowitz> for a copy of the last balance sheet for debian.ch?Aug 28 18:31
schestowitz>Aug 28 18:31
schestowitz> The bank account is with Swiss PostfinanceAug 28 18:31
schestowitz>Aug 28 18:31
schestowitz> https://lists.debian.org/debian-switzerland/Aug 28 18:31
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-lists.debian.org | Debian Mailing Lists -- Index for debian-switzerlandAug 28 18:31
schestowitz>Aug 28 18:31
schestowitz> They always attach minutes of the AGM to the notice of the following AGMAug 28 18:31
schestowitz> but they always leave out the page with the balances.  You can see it isAug 28 18:31
schestowitz> mentioned in each set of minutes.Aug 28 18:31
schestowitz>Aug 28 18:32
schestowitz> After I resigned, they were angry and they changed the constitutionAug 28 18:32
schestowitz> giving themselves the power to expel people with a vote of the board,Aug 28 18:32
schestowitz> this really shows the vindictive nature of Debian culture:Aug 28 18:32
schestowitz> https://lists.debian.org/debian-switzerland/2018/02/msg00001.htmlAug 28 18:32
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-lists.debian.org | Re: AGM 2018 invitation - Sat 2017-02-17 18:00, ZürichAug 28 18:32
schestowitzCheers.Aug 28 18:32
schestowitz> Somebody posted this to Slashdot, it may need votes to appearAug 28 18:32
schestowitz> https://slashdot.org/recentAug 28 18:32
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-slashdot.org | Slashdot: News for nerds, stuff that mattersAug 28 18:32
schestowitzslashdot is a waste of time; like reddit...Aug 28 18:32
schestowitz> Debian is not an organization in its own right, the name Debian is aAug 28 18:32
schestowitz> trademark of Software in the Public Interest, Inc., a US domiciledAug 28 18:32
schestowitz> non-profit with 501(c)(3) charitable status. Internal emails show thatAug 28 18:32
schestowitz> DebConf13 had $42,000 profit and discussed ways to hide it inAug 28 18:32
schestowitz> Switzerland, using a Swiss Verein, debian.ch. The Verein is the sameAug 28 18:32
schestowitz> legal structure used by FIFA. This appears controversial as many of theAug 28 18:32
schestowitz> sponsors are US companies and the Debian brand belongs to a US non-profit.Aug 28 18:32
schestowitzThis topic is new to me and I don't know it well enough to do an article about it myself.Aug 28 18:32
schestowitzI can of course repost something from someone better informed ;-)Aug 28 18:32
schestowitzRegards,Aug 28 18:32
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