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| schestowitz[TR2] | https://techrights.org/n/2025/07/23/Our_Three_Lawsuits_Against_Microsofters_Are_About_to_Become_a_L.shtml | Aug 28 03:52 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45036702 | Aug 28 03:52 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Techrights — Our Three Lawsuits Against Microsofters Are About to Become a Lot More Relevant to GNU/Linux | Aug 28 03:52 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Thanks, I wasn't trying to cherry pick or anything. But I don't think that the f... | Hacker News | Aug 28 03:52 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "Thanks, I wasn't trying to cherry pick or anything. But I don't think that the full text changes the substance of what is laid out in the first couple of paragraphs. The FSF (and by extension Stallman) refrains from calling the user names if he chooses to use nonfree software, presumably because they recognize that freedom must include the freedom to run any software at all, even if they consider it harmful. But they are quite cle | Aug 28 03:52 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | ar that they do consider it harmful both to oneself and others to run nonfree software, even if it is useful. That, to me, is very much refusing to make concessions to practicality within their ideology. The only concession they do make is an explicitly ideological one, not a practical one! So again, this piece seems to me to support my claim, not to disprove it." | Aug 28 03:52 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "But... It IS harmful. And we know it's harmful. | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Because with each single person who decides to run a particular non free software, that's a tiiiiiny bit more vendor lock on, a tiny bit of control lost, of power, freedom, given up. | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | And when enough people do this, what happens? Look at Google. Look at the post you're on. You tell me - what happens? | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | He's not wrong at all - it's just uncomfortable. This is a side effect of capitalism or maybe humanity. Its nothing you or I can single-handedly solve, or cause. But we each contribute to it a tiny amount. | Aug 28 03:53 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | simoncion 18 hours ago | prev | next [–] | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > But they are quite clear that they do consider it harmful both to oneself and others to run nonfree software, even if it is useful. | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | As we're seeing, time and time and time again, it is harmful. The benefits may outweigh the harms today, but unless the steward of that nonfree software is extraordinarily careful and forward-thinking (as it were), those relationships inevitably go bad and become coercive over time. As we know, Stallman is (and always has been) right about this. | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > That, to me, is very much refusing to make concessions to practicality within their ideology. | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 1) The last paragraph of the opening section is a plain and obvious concession to practicality: "But there is one special case where using some nonfree software ... can be a positive thing. That's when the use of the nonfree software aims directly at putting an end to the use of that very same nonfree software." | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 2) I'm not sure how saying "We'd be sad and would all be worse off if you used nonfree software, but do understand that there can be compelling real-world reasons to do so. Please don't use nonfree software, or -if that's not possible- consider small ways to avoid using it whenever opportunity presents itself." is anything but a concession to practicality. A hard-liner that refuses to make concessions to practicality wouldn't incor | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | porate such a thing into their philosophy! | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Respectfully, are you sure you're not letting knowledge of how Stallman uses/manages/etc his personal computing devices influence your interpretation of what these essays and the FSF's philosophy are about? | Aug 28 03:53 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | bigstrat2003 11 hours ago | parent | next [–] | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > As we're seeing, time and time and time again, it is harmful. | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | It certainly is not harmful, in my view. I think that the FSF's position on this topic is ridiculous. No harm whatsoever is done by running a piece of closed source software on your computer. | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > The last paragraph of the opening section is a plain and obvious concession to practicality | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | No, it's not, at all! It is ideological, not practical, to say that the only reason to deviate from one's ideology is if doing so advances the ideology even faster. | Aug 28 03:53 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | fsflover 18 hours ago | prev [–] | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Stallman himself was using a laptop with a proprietary BIOS before truly free laptops became available. I don't understand how this isn't a compromise. | Aug 28 03:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45025116" | Aug 28 03:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Stallman is a "prophet": he needs to be extreme and rigid in his ideology so tha... | Hacker News | Aug 28 03:54 | |
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