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[05:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m3jare07
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[05:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[05:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	PIPed after favorable mid-year review
[05:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	I was put on a PIP last week. My mid-year review was pretty normal & overall positive. Then my manager suddenly hit me with the PIP last week.
[05:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	It honestly feels like a numbers game at this point.
[05:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	A lot of what's written in the PIP assessment is either flat-out untrue or very debatable. Has anyone here had experience pushing back on or challenging a PIP? Is it worth addressing the points I disagree with, or could that just make me look difficult & potentially speed up an RA?"
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	I am close to retirement and my message is for those in a similar place. I would treat a pip, if you have a track record of good performance, as an attempt at wrongful dismissal, and since my plan is to engage a lawyer anyway to fight for a big severance, this would be the time to do that.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	As a side note for those in Ontario Canada, legal precedent is that those who have fought for severance after a long career at IBM have been able to get somewhere around 1 month per year of service up to a total of about 24 months. This is not something that any employer has to pay right away, but it has been the outcome if you are willing and able to fight IBM legally, which I expect anybody can do if you hire the lawyer on contin
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	gency.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	43 minutes ago by pip as pathway to severance
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[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @bc+1m3jare07
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +4 
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	I was put on a PIp 3 month ago.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Goal not achievable in the time as the parts not even made yet.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	I shared with the people I work with that I am on a PIP. And not to share.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	If they have some feedback, give to me instead of in big meeting.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	I worked on the project and if coworker asked me for other support, zi explained difficult unless they explain to my manager this to be higher priority.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	I learned and achieved a lot. my manager did not want it to pass. he extended for another month and another month even though goals completed.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	coworkers wrote to 2nd line manager about the great stuff which made it hard for 1st line to fail me.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	eventually I passed as he had no choice.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	now he tells me often that next time no PIP.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	He really does not like me. best choice in my view is to do a good job and let people around you understand it. so if the manager wants to get rid of you it is hard.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	don't hide
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	3 hours ago by pip
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[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @at+1m3jare07
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +4 
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Im in the same boat as you (and many others), but in the US. Historically rated exceeds, this year rated meets and now on a PIP. We committed no wrongs other than being European and American.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	I cant speak to the odds of beating a PIP, or the value in pushing back on the patently untrue parts, but I would suggest mentally re-framing it: Not how can I mitigate this? But Do I even want to? Seriously, an unjust PIP is IBM marking you for eventual termination. It is NOT a reflection on your actual performance or your value as a person, or even your value to IBM (many high performing employees have been PIPd
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	). Its someone higher up selecting your employee number off a spreadsheet. SO: Why stress trying to mount a logical defense to an illogical situation? Use the time to start looking around and planning your next step in your career.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	3 hours ago by Anonymous
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[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @as+1m3jare07
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +4 
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	You can try to satisfy the PIP. But it is designed to overwhelm you with work you cannot do. It will push you to the brink mentally if you let it , if try to do everything that is required. Like the previous post mentioned , they will probably tell you you failed the PIP anyway at the end.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	When you are put on a pip, it basically is saying you are targeted for removal. Theyre hoping that once you start working the PIP you will see it is impossible and quit. I have seen it happen many times when I was at Ibm.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Ive also seen a few times when people have been taken off a pip . This usually occurs when the employee fights, the pip vigorously with HR and has evidence that the manager is lying within the PIP.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	So I would say the chances are slim if youre on a PIP you will survive at IBM .
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Good luck.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	4 hours ago by Anonymous
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	| 4 reactions (+4/-0) | Reply
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @ar+1m3jare07
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +3 
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Congratulations!! your friend the manager has just told you to be-doverthe table and take your hands to spread your cheeks apart so he can take you pound town and make it gape. Remember he is your pal. So be sure to thank him for it. And wish the others next line to get it good luck!
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	4 hours ago by Anonymous
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[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @aq+1m3jare07
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +5 
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	PIP is the moment when employees get to experience what 'at will' employment is. IBM can fire an employee at any time - no reason required.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	When hit with a PIP, there are two paths.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	One is to consider it as a moment of separation. You and IBM are now adversary in a zero sum game til the PIP period ends and in most cases, you are fired. Use this time to prioritize life and look for next job, which will, according to many who have left IBM, almost always pay you better and treat you better then IBM who, as a operating model, pays less then industry average.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Alternative is to try to satisfy the PIP requirements. I've seen many doing this and in all cases, they are fired anyway AFTER being mentally tortured and lose the time to look for another job.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	IBM is a sinking and becoming an Indian company. Arvind and the executives are disgrace to a storied American brand.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	You will likely look back at getting PIPed from IBM to be a fortunate moment in your career.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	5 hours ago by Anonymous
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[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @af+1m3jare07
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +4 
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Most likely your manager has been forced to PIP you to reach a target. Not sure in EMEA, but in NA this will end with you losing your job regardless of your performance
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	5 hours ago by Anonymous
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[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @ae+1m3jare07
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +4 
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	The PIP is a strong "hint", you are no longer welcomed in the Indians tribe. Make room for some Indian. Train the Indian before you are out the door and on the street.
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	6 hours ago by Anonymous
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[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @a9+1m3jare07
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +1 
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	When is your PIP end date?
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m3j5bpp4
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	In Albany people have become down right cavalier speaking loudly and openly about wanting to leave or that they interviews lined up. I have seen say such things in front of a big folks very bravely and not giving a f anymore.
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	I agree with @b1+1m3j5bpp4. People see whats really going on and finally had enough of the office politics
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	3 hours ago by Anonymous
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	| 4 reactions (+4/-0) | Reply
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @b5+1m3j5bpp4
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +6 
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	People see the plan . The utter disregard for employees. A strategy has been around for quite a long time. Layoff as many people as you need to so you can boost the stock price. Has very little to do with skill or technical ability or value to the company that you offer.. so when it comes down to his people, just dont care. They know someday they will be on the list more than likely. And I dont think the company really cares 
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	either. The more people they can get to leave the building
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	On their own , the less they have to pay in severance.
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	I would recommend everyone update their rsum and be looking if you work at that company. There is no security , there is no loyalty. There hasnt been in over 30 years.. and it has gotten a lot worse in the last several years. You are a number on a spreadsheet. A cost center.
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	One thing to keep in mind, the more people that leave or get laid off, means there are less people to bail out the sinking ship. This will only accelerate the trip to the bottom of the ocean.
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	4 hours ago by Anonymous
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[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @b1+1m3j5bpp4
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +5 
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	I work in a location that has not seen a backfill in years, but has been subject of big and small layoffs, and mandatory PIP targets. If IBM is openly pushing you out, why not openly discussing your exit strategy?
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m3fa2e83#replies
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	They should go look at Huimings slacks. Especially around this time last year. I mean whats it gonna hurt to just take a peak?
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	8 hours ago by Anonymous
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[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @f4+1m3fa2e83
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +1 
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	@aw Pipe down, useless troll.
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	16 hours ago by Anonymous
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[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @dp+1m3fa2e83
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +2 
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	Slack messages are stored forever
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	1 day ago by Anonymous
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[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @b1+1m3fa2e83
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	 -5 
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	What is this ?, "dinobabies", "Theres many more. Just need to get subpoenaed" and "Whoops!", that shows a complete degradation of people who put these comments, they are probably Americans. We need more young and brilliant Indian people at IBM.
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	That does not depend on a country of origin, I know many Vietnamese people working at IBM for 40 years and they are very narrow minded people and short in their thoughts ( probably experience too ) not trying to put any energy for creating Slack messages. They are certainly should be out of IBM.
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	1 day ago by Anonymous
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[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @aw+1m3fa2e83
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +4 
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	@ap to anyone saying that someone over 40 has nothing left to offer well, lets see how you feel when YOU reach that age. Are you planning to quit working then? Do you realize your own parents still need to work in order to put you through college and help you survive until youre financially independent? Which these days takes longer and longer!
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[05:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	<IsambardPrince> Withdrew what application about me?
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[14:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Bill Gates Says A.I. Could Kill At Least A Billion People"
[14:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	x https://www.tmz.com/2026/09/27/bill-gates-believes-artificial-intelligence-can-kill-one-billion-people/
[14:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	# bill sez
[14:57]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.tmz.com | Bill Gates Says A.I. Could Kill At Least A Billion People
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[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m3jare07#replies\
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[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	"not sure they need H1Bs anymore. They have critical mass of jobs in India already; they just send most of those jobs to India directly. The US is cooked.
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	With a pro American administration like this who needs treason?
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	54 minutes ago by Anonymous
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[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @db+1m3jare07
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +7 
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	How to create 1 million American jobs?
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	Deport 1 million H1Bs / L1s with fake degrees back to India
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	2 hours ago by Anonymous
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[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @d2+1m3jare07
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +2 
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	Save all your documents from last reviews and secretly record all conversations with manager pertaining to this topic and get it to a lawyer asap. There are already been several lawsuits won in Canada over this. Take the ba----d down! And get your money. Everyone in your shoes really should doing this until IBM reforms their ways on this matter. They have decided to we-ponize PIP system and use it wats it was never intended f
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	or and their should be consequences for doing that.
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	3 hours ago by Anonymous
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[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @cw+1m3jare07
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +2 
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	@c5 Make sure to fight hard, anything you leave on the table goes to the slimy Indian
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	3 hours ago by Anonymous
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[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @ct+1m3jare07
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +1 
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	Thanks for your suggestions. From Markham, Ontario, I am looking for lawyer to negotiate severance, do you have any lawyer to recommend?
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	7 hours ago by Severance
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[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	Post ID: @c5+1m3jare07
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	 +1 
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	@bc Thanks for your suggestion. I am looking for a lawyer, do you have any recommendation?
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[22:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Why do you hate Rust, Lunduke?
[22:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	I get this question a lot.
[22:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	The short answer is: I dont hate Rust.  Its just a programming language with good and bad (like any other).
[22:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	In fact, youll rarely find me criticizing the Rust language, itself.  The primary issues I raise tend to focus on the way Rust is *used*.
[22:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	1) Rust (both the language and the compiler) are not yet stable.  Meaning they are both in a state of flux (sometimes changing in significant ways from week to week) and, as such, are not reliable, steady foundations to build critical systems upon.  This may change if the Rust Foundation focuses on releasing a truly stable version of Rust but that hasnt happened yet.
[22:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	2) There has been a strong movement to utilize Rust as a tool to enforce political and social views.  In some ways Rust zealots (including some high-profile open-source developers and managers) treat Rust more like a religious cult than a programming language.  This has resulted in forcing Rust clones of existing tools into releases where that simply does not make sense from an engineering or end-user perspective.
[22:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	I have other criticisms of Rust (such as that it is a rather ugly language), but those are mostly personal preference things.
[22:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	The real, critical issues are those two above how Rust is being used."