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| schestowitz | >> I am guessing curl/wget would receive the same response from the server, | Dec 28 05:42 |
| schestowitz | >> so it's a lost cause. | Dec 28 05:42 |
| schestowitz | > Same response for curl. I can try again later and see if I remember to | Dec 28 05:42 |
| schestowitz | > save some pages. However, I seem to have been able to get at it only | Dec 28 05:42 |
| schestowitz | > three times this month: | Dec 28 05:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:42 |
| schestowitz | > $ grep -l itwire.com ./2019-12-??-merged.html | wc -l | Dec 28 05:42 |
| schestowitz | > 3 | Dec 28 05:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:42 |
| schestowitz | > Sam is on of the last, best authors out there. It's a shame that he is, | Dec 28 05:42 |
| schestowitz | > in practice, being actively censored by is foolish employers. | Dec 28 05:42 |
| schestowitz | He receives no comments and probably no traffic. He doesn't even write so often anymore. He used to cover some natsec/wikileaks stuff for a while. | Dec 28 05:42 |
| schestowitz | Last I spoke to him he was on Sam Varghese <whataloadofbull@yahoo.co.uk> | Dec 28 05:42 |
| schestowitz | >> GNU/Linux has 'factions', so we'll probably do OK. | Dec 28 05:43 |
| schestowitz | > the factions idea seems like a story in a story. | Dec 28 05:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:43 |
| schestowitz | > people often treat it as something to fix, not something necessary to survival. lunduke is a repeat offender. | Dec 28 05:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:43 |
| schestowitz | > perhaps factions should be first celebrated, and also reporting should acknowledge their existence. | Dec 28 05:43 |
| schestowitz | > I'm a novice with Git still. From what I read there are two options for | Dec 28 05:44 |
| schestowitz | > a writable repository: add separate shell accounts for each user or else | Dec 28 05:44 |
| schestowitz | > run everything through a dedicated, shared account just for Git. Either | Dec 28 05:44 |
| schestowitz | > way there should be a separate shell account for Git. Too many of the | Dec 28 05:44 |
| schestowitz | > guides are focused on M$ Github though. | Dec 28 05:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:44 |
| schestowitz | > Also, for read-only access then HTTP / HTTPS will be fine. | Dec 28 05:44 |
| schestowitz | The base packages are now in place; how we configure things is up to us; I doube that can break http setup in any way. | Dec 28 05:44 |
| schestowitz | > reading the irc log. | Dec 28 05:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:46 |
| schestowitz | > despite routine submissions containing a single or double typo, i find typos of yours on a regular basis. i dont think your writing is lower quality than anybody elses. i note your new years resolution. | Dec 28 05:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:46 |
| schestowitz | > note that my own behaviour actually points to me living by the advice im about to give-- dont worry about typos, let readers email typo corrections and forget about being ocd about it. typo corrections are quite different from the sort of corrections youre so proud to never issue. this is just advice and its safe to ignore if you prefer. cheers. | Dec 28 05:46 |
| schestowitz | My IRC logs are full of typos -- more so then email even! :-) | Dec 28 05:46 |
| schestowitz | > Originally posted by oiaohm | Dec 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz | > Finally being spiteful over the fact we have a corporate monoculture problem does not help anything. Its not good grounds to be anti-systemd as it really not offering anything better/more useful. | Dec 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz | > You know Oiaohm, I used to have a fair amount of respect for you-- elsewhere, as well as here. This is a purely circular argument you're making, and a lot of twaddle, and in the future I will just consider a shill and a troll. | Dec 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz | > You also accused me of not caring about such things before systemd existed, when we didn't know each other at the time. So on top of calling your post twaddle I'm going to say it's dishonest twaddle, and my respect for you has evaporated entirely. Of course I don't expect you to care. I've more or less said you're full of crap, and if not for shills like yourself, systemd wouldn't have come along this far. | Dec 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz | > Maybe you think it's reasonable to use something based on some touted (circular) technical merit despite being a complete horror supported by shills, but for me-- that's the exact opposite of what I signed up for. | Dec 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz | > I bid you and the other sophists on this horrifically designed forum adieu. There are some good posters here, I can't stand the lying and drivel and won't abide the trolling from people like yourself. Even someone who sculpts Disney characters out of turds for a living has got better things to do. | Dec 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz | Have you seen how he disrupted pro-Linux advocacy lately in #techrights IRC? It's part of a pattern. That even put off one of the few females in our main channel. | Dec 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Xamarin | Dec 28 05:58 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Xamarin - Techrights | Dec 28 05:58 | |
| schestowitz | > he asked me about xamarin. i thought these guys knew about xamarin? | Dec 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz | > "associates" doesnt mean anybody in particular. it isnt a fib, it isnt specific. it literally means people-- there are indeed several people that i could be referring to, not just literally speaking, but factually speaking. in other words, i didnt mean you-- your position on such matters was already made clear. | Dec 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz | > The name xamarin says "Miguel de Icaza" very clearly. But what is it? | Dec 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz | > Is it free software? Can it run on GNU? If yes, what is bad about it? | Dec 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > the fsf and i are focused on different categories of threats. i acknowledge the threats the fsf does-- non-free software, patent issues, moving people to "clown computing" and drm-- those are problems that need to be solved, but the ones that concern me the most are peripheral (connected) to those. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > there are several issues that tend to fly under the radar of the fsf. a favourite example is the multi-prong attack on tivo. my view of the tivo issue was that the gpl2, not entirely unlike a software program, was vulnerable to certain exploits against its intended functionality. tivoisation was an exploit of a vulnerability in gpl2. gpl3 patched for that exploit. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > i dont think theres anything wrong with the gpl3 itself, i think the patch worked. but the attack continues, because a front group for microsoft lobbied torvalds to reject the gpl3 patch for the kernel, so when a company like tivo wants to evade gpl3 it still can. granted, it cant evade it using any software under gpl3-- but due to torvalds rejecting it, so did many others. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > the fsf thwarted one prong of the attack, but didnt entirely counter the other prong. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > the sort of attack im most concerned with for free software is a sort of "perfect storm" sustained, many-prong attack on free software from every angle. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > each chess is a fairly mundane thing, mostly trivial to avoid an encounter with unless it is grouped with the other pieces of your opponent. then together they become complex and difficult to predict and avoid. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > a few years ago i was content to focus on simply promoting free software. that was when i was snagged by the effects of this chess game, and ever since ive tried to simply put together a working, reliable distro. but none (including the fsf approved distros) are as reliable as they were a few years ago. i switched entirely to gnu/linux in 2007. it was a nice experience until late 2014. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > ive tried remastering, ive tried at least a dozen distros since, ive involved myself in free software politics and ive done loads of research and writing. ultimately, im trying to stop this chess game-- or win it for free software. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > but when i talk to people at the fsf, even the founder of free software himself-- they seem interested only in an individual piece. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > xamarin is alright i guess. flatpak is alright i guess. systemd is alright i guess. ibm is alright i guess. having the very core of your operating system (i dont mean the kernel) hosted and developed on servers owned by microsoft is alright i guess. having it win a pwnie at blackhat for the terrible egos and attitudes towards security from the (paid, corporate) developers is alright i guess. having the leader of the movement outsted with | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | the help of the corporate press is alright i guess. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > but no matter how mundane and simple the pieces are, its the emergent property of all these little pieces moving free software closer to "check" that bothers me. checkmate doesnt always take long after that. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > i realise that free software built something robust that has survived more than 30 years-- nearly the span of microsofts success. i also realise that in the late 1990s they wrote documents (hosted on the gnu servers) that outlined a "chess game" that bears much greater similarity to the present than to 10 years ago. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > you really cant extrapolate the threats to your king by looking at each piece by itself. you have to look at the entire game. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > the person im talking to is someone i routinely compare to albert einstein-- not because of raw intellect, but because of an unconventional way of looking at things. youre smarter than i am, theres no question about that. but you just couldnt reach einstein at all if you started talking about quantum or string theory. he didnt care for its implications. im certain im doing no justice to the actual story right now, its a metaphor. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > the one thing wrong with your formula, dr. stallman, is that large corporations (the fsf is technically a corporation, i dont mean one like that) will ultimately try to control everything else. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > its what they do. free software, particularly copyleft, is highly resistant to that and requires a great deal of effort to defeat-- more effort than it took to preserve some amount of tivoisation. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > but the fsf continues to treat things that are monopoly resistant as monopoly proof. if that were working, i would say ok. no problem. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > i am in conversations with people all over the world, for years now, who are watching these problems grow and sustain themselves-- these attacks on the entire foundation of the free software ecosystem-- among them, posix. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > posix is a glue that holds free software together. if it were defeated, could another glue replace it? possibly. but it would still be a terrific setback, costing years of work. | Dec 28 05:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > these corporations are creating regular tragedies-- such as the linux foundation handing licensing compliance of the kernel over to microsoft (a serial gpl-offender). this will be the third time microsoft worked to "own" the kernel. (sco, tivo, linux foundation.) they do it little by little, and it only "counts" if its all at once, i guess. | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > i find it easy to believe the fsf is ignoring this game, because they dont talk about it. they even dismiss it when some of us create campaigns lasting more than a year to try to reach the fsf on this matter. it is always pushed aside. | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > losing you as president lost the fsf tens of thousands of dollars (it sure looks like. the fundraiser has usually met its goal by this time.) we predicted some of this, june and before june. and 29 days before you resigned i wrote "the fsf isnt just threatened, it will hit a large iceberg in the future that changes it permanently." the prediction in june however, was specifically about you being ousted based on false pretenses. i also | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | predicted the red hat purchase, months prior to the announcement. | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > the moral here is that any of these little problems can be ignored on their own, but the sum of those problems looms over our future. and even if it happens gradually, we are still hurting. | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > since i know nothing short of proof will convince anybody, we are working to trace all the steps back so its more obvious to everyone who might care. its long, tedious work and sometimes i wish someone would just hear us for once. not dismiss us, but maybe step back and look at things from the wide angle shot we are working from. | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > xamarin is just a tiny insignificant piece. but its connected to a traitor and its a subsidiary of a company with a 20-year old plan to destroy all youve done-- and all we have worked to help you with. if we (myself and associates) didnt note that plan obviously being in effect, it wouldnt really matter. | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > its the sum of the pieces thats going to take the king. and im not ok with that. the fsf shouldnt be ok with it either. | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > we will keep fighting for you and the fsf, but it really doesnt have to be this difficult. those sponsors arent funding you, theyre purchasing you. 501c3s are not immune, theyre only resistant. and the resistance of 501c3 orgs to partial takeover tends to drop with age and a steady routine. everyone knows youre the only real president they have. your sponsor friend weighed in with an article on their website about who they would like. | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > these companies expect a return, and hiring people into other companies is a legalised form of bribery. the last thing we want for the fsf is the stephen elop effect. but dont assume your sponsors feel the same way. | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > happy hacking, | Dec 28 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > > I will see if someone in the north-west is looking to set something up.> | Dec 28 06:05 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you. (I can go anywhere in the UK for this, so asking people you know, | Dec 28 06:05 |
| schestowitz | > wherever they are, is useful to do.) | Dec 28 06:05 |
| schestowitz | Whether I find another speaking opportunity for you or not, would you be interested in meeting for a chat? | Dec 28 06:05 |
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