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schestowitzRe: MS execs leghumping OSX in an email thread...> https://twitter.com/chrisgrande/status/1221713700891123714?s=21Jan 29 01:01
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@chrisgrande: @arcrandom @stroughtonsmith It was exposed in a rather hilarious email chain that came out during discovery on an I… https://t.co/THlCFgsGuIJan 29 01:01
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@chrisgrande: @arcrandom @stroughtonsmith It was exposed in a rather hilarious email chain that came out during discovery on an I… https://t.co/THlCFgsGuIJan 29 01:01
schestowitztechrights covered it a very long time ago (over a decade)Jan 29 01:01
schestowitz> "Why we terminated our partnership with Microsoft - Re: Next decade ofJan 29 01:07
schestowitz> open source"Jan 29 01:07
schestowitz>Jan 29 01:07
schestowitz> "Microsoft projects don't exactly compete on a level playing field withJan 29 01:07
schestowitz> community OSS projects."Jan 29 01:07
schestowitz>Jan 29 01:07
schestowitz> "If you look at the announcements for Microsoft products that competeJan 29 01:07
schestowitz> with their own ecosystem, one thing you'll very rarely see is anyJan 29 01:07
schestowitz> acknowledgement of the OSS projects they displace."Jan 29 01:07
schestowitz>Jan 29 01:07
schestowitz> "We suddenly found ourselves competing with a product from MicrosoftJan 29 01:07
schestowitz> that looked similar, that was being given away (perception, at least),Jan 29 01:07
schestowitz> that was integrated with VS, and that was being pushed in every AzureJan 29 01:07
schestowitz> keynote."Jan 29 01:08
schestowitz>Jan 29 01:08
schestowitz> "So if Microsoft release a product that competes with an existing openJan 29 01:08
schestowitz> source community project, I think there's two things you can assume:Jan 29 01:08
schestowitz> It's unlikely they didn't do their research or weren't aware of theJan 29 01:08
schestowitz> alternative"Jan 29 01:08
schestowitz>Jan 29 01:08
schestowitz> ".NET OSS maintainers will struggle to build professionally supportedJan 29 01:08
schestowitz> OSS projects because Microsoft will immediately become the default (inJan 29 01:08
schestowitz> the conversation, at least) in any market they enter"Jan 29 01:08
schestowitz>Jan 29 01:08
schestowitz> http://paulstovell.com/blog/re-next-decade-of-open-sourceJan 29 01:08
schestowitzgood find!Jan 29 01:08
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-paulstovell.com | Why we terminated our partnership with Microsoft - Re: Next decade of open source - Paul StovellJan 29 01:08
schestowitz> https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/g5xv37/hotmail-gmail-job-applications-user-experienceJan 29 01:12
schestowitz> <https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/g5xv37/hotmail-gmail-job-applications-user-experience?utm_source=digg>Jan 29 01:12
schestowitz>Jan 29 01:12
schestowitz> "Microsoft’s email service was once the cutting edge in onlineJan 29 01:12
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.vice.com | Hotmail versus Gmail Email: Which Is Better? - VICEJan 29 01:12
schestowitz> communication. Now, it’s a relic from the days of dial-up internet. WhatJan 29 01:12
schestowitz> happened?"Jan 29 01:12
schestowitz>Jan 29 01:12
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.vice.com | Hotmail versus Gmail Email: Which Is Better? - VICEJan 29 01:12
schestowitz> What happened is they got hotmail rewritten in Windows and it took themJan 29 01:12
schestowitz> ages.Jan 29 01:12
schestowitz>Jan 29 01:12
schestowitz> http://www.owlriver.com/casestudy/ms-hotmail-analysis.pdfJan 29 01:12
schestowitzThank you, I am going to write about this laterJan 29 01:12
schestowitz> Lol, every time I email you…Jan 29 01:12
schestowitz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDuMp2kDxosJan 29 01:12
schestowitzIt's still good to ensure we cover all the key things...Jan 29 01:13
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | The Simpsons Did It! - YouTubeJan 29 01:13
schestowitz> Hi. Call meJan 29 01:13
schestowitzI tried some days ago and will try againJan 29 01:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Crypt0_Wolf/status/1222327706366418946Jan 29 03:39
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Crypt0_Wolf: @schestowitz How its any different from other mainstream free email providers? @Protonmail excepted, they are all… https://t.co/aCc2ZS1Hy2Jan 29 03:39
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Crypt0_Wolf: @schestowitz How its any different from other mainstream free email providers? @Protonmail excepted, they are all… https://t.co/aCc2ZS1Hy2Jan 29 03:39
schestowitz"How its any different from other mainstream free email providers?  @Protonmail excepted, they are all pretty much the same these days..."Jan 29 03:39
schestowitzWhy is it even exempted? They can read the mails stillJan 29 03:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/VikOlliver/status/1222323004467597312Jan 29 03:39
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@VikOlliver: @schestowitz @wikileaks Ironic that this is discussed on malware disguised as a social media site.Jan 29 03:39
schestowitzindeedJan 29 03:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Waverlywray1/status/1222321289450414080Jan 29 03:40
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Waverlywray1: @schestowitz Yikes! Parents failed and our unionized education system wins.Jan 29 03:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MaccLabour/status/1222319219875942400Jan 29 03:40
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@MaccLabour: @schestowitz like your Chinese name, LuoyiJan 29 03:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/StarchyArchie/status/1222311110243684354Jan 29 03:40
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@StarchyArchie: @schestowitz #WeAreAllAustraliansJan 29 03:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1222302108986363904Jan 29 03:41
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: "Kobe Bryant and eight others crashed in a wreck that aviation experts said may have been caused by the pilot becom… https://t.co/ZIKJlngcJQJan 29 03:41
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: "Kobe Bryant and eight others crashed in a wreck that aviation experts said may have been caused by the pilot becom… https://t.co/ZIKJlngcJQJan 29 03:41
schestowitz"Jan 29 03:41
schestowitzIt’s not nice to say, but it’s true. Helicopters are dangerous. People die in helicopter crashes all the time. I would never take one to shave some time off of a commute. Far too risky.Jan 29 03:41
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schestowitz Jake Hamby‏ @jhamby  4h4 hours agoJan 29 03:41
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schestowitz “‘A lot of times somebody who’s doing it for a living is pressured to get their client to where they have to go,’ Waldman said. ‘They take chances that maybe they shouldn’t take.’Jan 29 03:42
schestowitzDavid Hoeppner, an expert on helicopter design, said he won’t fly on helicopters.”Jan 29 03:42
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schestowitz K.G.B. GENERAL‏ @django_stiglitz  4h4 hours agoJan 29 03:42
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schestowitzReplying to @schestowitzJan 29 03:42
schestowitzHe'd probably gotten away with for 15 plus years. He used a helicopter to travel to all laker games from his residence, ecause l.a. traffic during rush hour is ridiculous.  And the games were always at 7:30pm.    But i guess he got dependent on the helicopter, and too casualJan 29 03:42
schestowitz"Jan 29 03:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1222306426837598209Jan 29 03:42
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jhamby: Do they think Microsoft is a king that they can petition with grievances and ask them to take pity? They’re not eve… https://t.co/kxwAk1vwoaJan 29 03:42
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jhamby: Do they think Microsoft is a king that they can petition with grievances and ask them to take pity? They’re not eve… https://t.co/kxwAk1vwoaJan 29 03:42
schestowitz"Jan 29 03:42
schestowitzJake Hamby Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)Jan 29 03:42
schestowitzDo they think Microsoft is a king that they can petition with grievances and ask them to take pity? They’re not even major shareholders. Capitalism doesn’t care about silly petitions.Jan 29 03:42
schestowitz"Jan 29 03:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BernardGyorgy/status/1222304078966820864Jan 29 03:43
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@BernardGyorgy: @schestowitz #NoConsentToSurveilleUsJan 29 03:43
schestowitz"Coming from LA originally, the story of the “Watts riots” was something that always scared the white residents, even though they took place over a short period of time in one neighborhood. The reason was the new “news copter” footage, using a surplus Korean War helicopter…"Jan 29 03:43
schestowitz"Jan 29 03:43
schestowitz…with a camera and a live microwave link, at a time when the evening news still relied on footage recorded on film that had to be developed, as in the trope of “something horrible just happened, film at 11.”)Jan 29 03:43
schestowitzLA then became notorious for live car chases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_riotsJan 29 03:43
schestowitz11:42 PM - 28 Jan 2020 from Los Angeles, CAJan 29 03:43
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-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Watts riots - WikipediaJan 29 03:43
schestowitzDr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)Tweet textJan 29 03:43
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schestowitz Jake Hamby‏ @jhamby  4h4 hours agoJan 29 03:43
schestowitzMoreJan 29 03:44
schestowitzReplying to @jhamby @schestowitzJan 29 03:44
schestowitzNow there are news helicopters everywhere, of course. But I imagine the pilots aren’t as skilled as in earlier days when they were all Korean and Vietnam War vets (who didn’t die). Maybe there are Afghanistan & Iraq vets flying news choppers now? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_news_helicopter_collisionJan 29 03:44
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-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Phoenix news helicopter collision - WikipediaJan 29 03:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/EuroPleasureMac/status/1222302562793263104Jan 29 03:44
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EuroPleasureMac: Rich people's problems.... https://t.co/J1SUwxI1LQJan 29 03:44
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: "Kobe Bryant and eight others crashed in a wreck that aviation experts said may have been caused by the pilot becom… https://t.co/ZIKJlngcJQJan 29 03:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1222296399972163584Jan 29 03:45
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jhamby: @schestowitz lol, I meant “dot-com hype”, not dot-net. “.NET” came later. Not a perfect analogy because Amazon, Go… https://t.co/QYetczTVayJan 29 03:45
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jhamby: @schestowitz lol, I meant “dot-com hype”, not dot-net. “.NET” came later. Not a perfect analogy because Amazon, Go… https://t.co/QYetczTVayJan 29 03:45
schestowitz""Jan 29 03:45
schestowitzlol, I meant “dot-com hype”, not dot-net. “.NET” came later.Jan 29 03:45
schestowitzNot a perfect analogy because Amazon, Google, and Microsoft are all using Microsoft-style tactics in “the cloud”. Embrace, Extend, (try to) Extinguish.Jan 29 03:45
schestowitz"Jan 29 03:45
schestowitz“Serverless” is a misnomer, but AWS Lambda was/is really hot, and an interesting way of doing things (if you want to be locked into AWS).Jan 29 03:45
schestowitzKnative does look very promising, if you want to be free of lock-in. Google‘s coming from behind, so they promote it:Jan 29 03:45
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schestowitz Jake Hamby‏ @jhamby  5h5 hours agoJan 29 03:45
schestowitzMoreJan 29 03:45
schestowitz I feel like in today’s cloud competition, if we were to analogize to the 1990s enterprise tech world: AWS is the new Microsoft (dominant upstart), Microsoft is the new IBM (boring, stodgy, but trying to be cool), and GCP is the new Sun (riding the dot-net hype, “open standards”).Jan 29 03:45
schestowitz"Jan 29 03:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/rick_eichhornr/status/1222290140019806209Jan 29 03:46
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@rick_eichhornr: Julian Assange needs to be set free. https://t.co/j4tjL439EnJan 29 03:46
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: #Wikileaks needs to #boycotttheguardian rather than send more traffic to this malware disguised as a news site (abo… https://t.co/ygR5SShtxcJan 29 03:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1222288462180601856Jan 29 03:46
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jhamby: I highly doubt anyone is trying to kill Julian Assange. But I don’t think this extradition / trial is going to work… https://t.co/xlmCAsvJRwJan 29 03:46
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jhamby: I highly doubt anyone is trying to kill Julian Assange. But I don’t think this extradition / trial is going to work… https://t.co/xlmCAsvJRwJan 29 03:46
schestowitz"Jan 29 03:46
schestowitzJake Hamby Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)Jan 29 03:46
schestowitzI highly doubt anyone is trying to kill Julian Assange. But I don’t think this extradition / trial is going to work out will for the American Empire (and our UK/FVEY partners).Jan 29 03:46
schestowitzYes, someone is enjoying punishing Assange/Wikileaks. Maybe Trump thinks silencing him helps for 2020.Jan 29 03:46
schestowitz"Jan 29 03:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1222289948763492352Jan 29 03:46
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jhamby: I have a theory about the Assange prosecution. I think the FBI is institutionally firmly against “hackers”, and the… https://t.co/r5HmQ6OVdNJan 29 03:46
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jhamby: I have a theory about the Assange prosecution. I think the FBI is institutionally firmly against “hackers”, and the… https://t.co/r5HmQ6OVdNJan 29 03:46
schestowitz""I have a theory about the Assange prosecution. I think the FBI is institutionally firmly against “hackers”, and the ghost of J. Edgar Hoover is present, in institutional form, here. It’s intended to have a chilling effect on internal whistleblowers.Jan 29 03:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1222290466571337729Jan 29 03:46
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jhamby: The Feds are torturing (psychologically) both @xychelsea and Julian Assange, trying to play them off each other to… https://t.co/kuPW916XjsJan 29 03:46
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jhamby: The Feds are torturing (psychologically) both @xychelsea and Julian Assange, trying to play them off each other to… https://t.co/kuPW916XjsJan 29 03:46
schestowitz"Jan 29 03:46
schestowitzThe Feds are torturing (psychologically) both @xychelsea and Julian Assange, trying to play them off each other to see if they can get either of them, or their lawyers, to “crack”. It’s dirty cop stuff, and it’s intended to be punitive.Jan 29 03:46
schestowitzReminds me of the movie Brazil.Jan 29 03:46
schestowitz"Jan 29 03:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Crypt0_Wolf/status/1222366961935560705Jan 29 03:56
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Crypt0_Wolf: @schestowitz @ProtonMail Only the metadata.Jan 29 03:56
schestowitzthey can access  it allJan 29 03:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Crypt0_Wolf/status/1222370710020030465Jan 29 04:18
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Crypt0_Wolf: @schestowitz @ProtonMail Can you back up your claim?Jan 29 04:18
schestowitzunless it is e2e-encrypted, the full transmission will be visible to themJan 29 04:18
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Crypt0_Wolf/status/1222374531949649922Jan 29 05:05
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Crypt0_Wolf: @schestowitz @ProtonMail https://t.co/T3tBhjrN9lJan 29 05:05
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> protonmail.com | What is end-to-end encryption and how does it work? - ProtonMail BlogJan 29 05:05
schestowitzI have just looked at this page; maybe they allow e2e between two accounts on protonmail, otherwise (one doesn't use protonmail) it would not workJan 29 05:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Crypt0_Wolf/status/1222380213587365889Jan 29 05:07
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Crypt0_Wolf: @schestowitz @ProtonMail Most other providers are also part of the 5 eyes, prism and other programs with servers lo… https://t.co/2PVVXAVsagJan 29 05:07
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Crypt0_Wolf: @schestowitz @ProtonMail Most other providers are also part of the 5 eyes, prism and other programs with servers lo… https://t.co/2PVVXAVsagJan 29 05:07
schestowitz"Most other providers are also part of the 5 eyes, prism and other programs with servers located in the USA.  I am fully aware of your concern about the key distribution, but you cannot out them on the same level as google, microsoft and the likes."Jan 29 05:07
schestowitzKeys need to be generated by the user, locallyJan 29 05:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Crypt0_Wolf/status/1222388039357321216Jan 29 06:25
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Crypt0_Wolf: @schestowitz @ProtonMail CorrectJan 29 06:25
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Crypt0_Wolf/status/1222388692033179648Jan 29 06:25
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Crypt0_Wolf: @schestowitz @ProtonMail Therefore services like @signalapp and @telegram are just as flawed? Or are these keys s… https://t.co/lBhjjQIhBkJan 29 06:25
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Crypt0_Wolf: @schestowitz @ProtonMail Therefore services like @signalapp and @telegram are just as flawed? Or are these keys s… https://t.co/lBhjjQIhBkJan 29 06:25
schestowitz"Therefore services like @signalapp  and @telegram are just as flawed?  Or are these keys safer due to the open source nature of their code generating keys client side?"Jan 29 06:25
schestowitzsimilar issuesJan 29 06:25
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1222389403437486080Jan 29 06:26
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz Hotmail started to go downhill the minute Redmond bought it.Jan 29 06:26
schestowitz> Thank you Roy.Jan 29 06:42
schestowitz> there is few changes. If possible please add these too.Jan 29 06:42
schestowitz>Jan 29 06:42
schestowitz> Thanks,Jan 29 06:42
schestowitz> Jagadees.Jan 29 06:42
schestowitz>Jan 29 06:42
schestowitz> 1.Jan 29 06:42
schestowitz> and finally dismantle it, because people are always distracted.Jan 29 06:42
schestowitz> and finally dismantle it, because people [change]don't understand theirJan 29 06:42
schestowitz> value when they exist and they are always distracted.[change]Jan 29 06:42
schestowitz>Jan 29 06:42
schestowitz> 2.Jan 29 06:42
schestowitz> For all these ideas there'sJan 29 06:42
schestowitz> For all these [change]games[change] there'sJan 29 06:43
schestowitz>Jan 29 06:43
schestowitz> 3.Jan 29 06:43
schestowitz> the main actors, they removed the profit motives and vested interests ofJan 29 06:43
schestowitz> companies.Jan 29 06:43
schestowitz> the main actors, they [change]concealed[change] the profit motives andJan 29 06:43
schestowitz> vested interests of companies.Jan 29 06:43
schestowitz>Jan 29 06:43
schestowitz> 4.Jan 29 06:43
schestowitz> [change]Jan 29 06:43
schestowitz> Then again, they introduced another twist. That is changing theJan 29 06:43
schestowitz> objective. Instead of user's ownership they use "Opening" of sourceJan 29 06:43
schestowitz> code. Does software closed in some container? What you mean by open?Jan 29 06:43
schestowitz> What a stupid idea. Source code is always open. Problem is whether youJan 29 06:43
schestowitz> have rights or not. They are just fooling all the people, who should getJan 29 06:43
schestowitz> full ownership of software in the first place.Jan 29 06:43
schestowitz>Jan 29 06:43
schestowitz> By hiding the user they removed the politics of ownership and rights ofJan 29 06:43
schestowitz> users. By hiding the companies as the main actors, they concealed theJan 29 06:43
schestowitz> profit motives and vested interests of companies. By hiding theJan 29 06:43
schestowitz> objective of free software, they reduced it to nothing. Now there isJan 29 06:43
schestowitz> nothing left in free software. What a perfect decoy!Jan 29 06:43
schestowitz> [change]Jan 29 06:43
schestowitz>Jan 29 06:43
schestowitz> 5.Jan 29 06:43
schestowitz> course the [delete]idiot[delete] developersJan 29 06:43
schestowitzdone :)Jan 29 06:43
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