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| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | The GNU Project Is Bleeding into Microsoft | Hacker News | Jun 30 15:00 | |
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| acer-box__ | I really don't see what the problem is here. Stallman himself is OK with using proprietary software if it runs on someone else's machine. For example, here https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html, he states he uses DuckDuckGo and ixquick, which are not clearly free software. (Though, they might be free software; their server code isn't distributed to the user, so even under the GPL they would not have to also distribute the source). | Jun 30 15:00 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-stallman.org | How I do my Computing | Jun 30 15:00 | |
| acer-box__ | So what if GitHub is proprietary? So long as you don't run their JavaScript on your machine, your computing can still be fully free. And, if the problem is that Microsoft will prevent some project from being developed there, they can take their local Git (GPLv2 licensed) repositories and push them somewhere else. | Jun 30 15:00 |
| acer-box__ | This all seems like a win from the FSF's perspective. Their projects are easier to discover and to contribute to, the developer's computing can remain fully free and the FSF does not need to pay for hosting. | Jun 30 15:00 |
| acer-box__ | Flex being BSD licensed is a slight problem for copyleft, though. | Jun 30 15:00 |
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| acer-box__ | ancarda 0 minutes ago [–] | Jun 30 15:00 |
| acer-box__ | >So long as you don't run their JavaScript on your machine | Jun 30 15:00 |
| acer-box__ | Do you have much of a choice? I think a lot of GitHub features do not work properly without JavaScript. For instance, just trying it now: | Jun 30 15:00 |
| acer-box__ | - Can't mark notifications as done | Jun 30 15:00 |
| acer-box__ | - Can't edit the title of an issue or PR | Jun 30 15:00 |
| acer-box__ | - Can't dismiss banners or most modals/popups | Jun 30 15:00 |
| acer-box__ | - Can't commit files directly on the web interface | Jun 30 15:00 |
| acer-box__ | At-least it's not a blank page. You can pretty much use GitHub in "read-only" mode without JavaScript, but working on it is probably quite hard without running their non-free code. | Jun 30 15:00 |
| acer-box__ | It would probably be better if they'd use Sourcehut or maybe GitLab. | Jun 30 15:00 |
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| acer-box__ | garaetjjte 9 minutes ago [–] | Jun 30 15:00 |
| acer-box__ | >Stallman himself is OK with using proprietary software if it runs on someone else's machine. | Jun 30 15:00 |
| acer-box__ | RMS is against "Service as a Software Substitute" https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-s... | Jun 30 15:00 |
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| acer-box__ | One could argue that GitHub is SaaSS, because eg. issue system encourages lock-in to specific service, instead of communicating via free email client. | Jun 30 15:00 |
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| acer-box__ | hannob 17 minutes ago [–] | Jun 30 15:00 |
| acer-box__ | GNU has their own code and project management plattform called Savannah. If you've ever interacted with it you know why this is happening. It's horrible in every way. I remember once trying to make some suggestions to get some basic security improvements that never happened. It wasn't even clear to me to whom I'd have to talk to. | Jun 30 15:00 |
| acer-box__ | I don't think this has anything to do with the controversy around RMS. GNU has neglected to provide decent development infrastructure for its projects and has only provided them the joke that savannah is. So people are naturally looking elsewhere. | Jun 30 15:00 |
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| acer-box__ | Gollapalli 23 minutes ago [–] | Jun 30 15:01 |
| acer-box__ | It might be better titled "Microsoft is bleeding into the GNU Project". Honestly, I'm not super bothered by GNU using github, because everybody uses github. I mean, it's the hub for git repos! At the risk of making more bad puns... well, I can't think of anything worse than the last one, but my point stands that github won this war, and while GNU might feasibly use gitlab or similar, github is where everybody is at, and it's very quickly | Jun 30 15:01 |
| acer-box__ | becoming the place people search for code. It's almost like, "your code isn't open source because it's not on github." Github is code google. | Jun 30 15:01 |
| acer-box__ | EDIT: It should be obvious that github being "code google" is not great for freedom. It's brilliant on the part of Microsoft, in the same way that securing a monopoly on OS's 20 years ago was brilliant. With the cloud-backend->web-frontend being our new defacto operating system, Microsoft is set to achieve this once again. Azure and GitHub synergize really well together. At this rate, the default way to deploy open source code will be VS | Jun 30 15:01 |
| acer-box__ | Code -> .NET 5 -> Github -> Azure, and we will be at Microsoft's monopolistic mercies once again, enthralled to the cloud instead of running our own software that we own (even if we don't understand) on our own hardware that we own (even if we don't understand), and maintaining some semblance of ownership over our own computing and communication with one another via these computers. | Jun 30 15:01 |
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| acer-box__ | Pashai3t 14 minutes ago [–] | Jun 30 15:01 |
| acer-box__ | > Interestingly, most of these redirections seem to have made fairly recently, not long after Richard Stallman was ousted. | Jun 30 15:01 |
| acer-box__ | That's factually wrong : Richard Stallman resigned from the FSF, not from GNU. | Jun 30 15:01 |
| acer-box__ | The very first paragraph on his personal website reads: "I continue to be the Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project. I do not intend to stop any time soon." | Jun 30 15:01 |
| acer-box__ | Also, while I share author's annoyance of seeing GNU packages on github (that's what savannah is made for, after all), singling out GNU here seems sensationalism : it could basically be said that "most FOSS projects are bleeding into Microsoft", or probably more reasonably "FOSS projects should consider what it means to be hosted by Github now that Microsoft owns it". | Jun 30 15:01 |
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| acer-box__ | AdmiralAsshat 13 minutes ago [–] | Jun 30 15:01 |
| acer-box__ | Some of the projects, like GNU Radio, seem pretty active. I imagine that GH is simply a more attractive platform than whatever they were using previously (Savannah?), and it seems to much better facilitate community interaction than e-mail mailing lists. And honestly, for the sake of developing free/libre software, I'd much prefer that it be hosted on a platform that facilitates active development, than following a Stallman-approved™ | Jun 30 15:01 |
| acer-box__ | fully libre stack, that results in the entire project being maintained by two guys in a university closet. | Jun 30 15:01 |
| acer-box__ | Is the whole contention solved by just moving over to GitLab? | Jun 30 15:01 |
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| acer-box__ | robertlagrant 8 minutes ago [–] | Jun 30 15:01 |
| acer-box__ | GitLab would certainly "feel" like a better bet. But I don't think there's much in it. If it's a free platform, perhaps some GNUers like the idea of their code being hosted on Microsoft's dime :-) | Jun 30 15:01 |
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| acer-box__ | pjmlp 5 minutes ago [–] | Jun 30 15:01 |
| acer-box__ | Having been around for a while, I believe that GNU based software was a generational event, in the upcoming two to three decades future generations will have back our old shareware and public domain software licenses. | Jun 30 15:01 |
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| acer-box__ | \they censor it | Jun 30 15:01 |
| schestowitz | [15:05] <AVRS> you can read a Twitter account using nitter | Jun 30 15:05 |
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| acer-box__ | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23689513 | Jun 30 16:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | The GNU Project Is Bleeding into Microsoft | Hacker News | Jun 30 16:36 | |
| acer-box__ | "v" | Jun 30 16:37 |
| acer-box__ | "v | Jun 30 16:37 |
| acer-box__ | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23689513 | Jun 30 16:37 |
| acer-box__ | "The GNU Project" is not really a thing. It's just a list, and the list includes projects with varying degrees of connection to the FSF: | Jun 30 16:37 |
| acer-box__ | 1. Some projects are owned and controlled by the FSF. All contributors have to assign copyright to the FSF, and the FSF makes decisions about appointing maintainers, where the code is hosted, etc. Examples: Emacs, gcc, glibc. | Jun 30 16:37 |
| acer-box__ | 2. A much larger set of projects are not FSF-owned or controlled in any meaningful way. The maintainers (or former maintainers) voluntarily chose to associate with the GNU project, but didn't assign copyright to the FSF, and basically kept their own project governance. Examples: R[1], GNOME[2], GIMP. | Jun 30 16:37 |
| acer-box__ | 3. Finally, many projects on the official list[3] are basically abandonware. They got started because someone thought it was important or useful to have an open source clone of some widely used piece of software, but they never got close to feature-complete, were never widely used, and the authors have moved on. Check the most recent releases for most of the software on the list - it's often been 2+ years since there has been any activity | Jun 30 16:37 |
| acer-box__ | The projects that have moved to GitHub are all in category #2. The developers and maintainers of those projects don't necessarily share the antagonism towards SaaS platforms that the FSF has historically had, and they've moved to a platform with better tooling and a larger community. A few better-resourced projects that have stronger views on avoiding proprietary SaaS code have set up self-hosted GitLab instances. The projects I follow | Jun 30 16:37 |
| acer-box__ | that have FSF-appointed maintainers have stayed on GNU Savannah, although many have GitHub read-only mirrors. | Jun 30 16:37 |
| acer-box__ | [1] https://www.r-project.org/about.html | Jun 30 16:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.r-project.org | R: What is R? | Jun 30 16:37 | |
| acer-box__ | [2] https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Resources/CopyrightAs... | Jun 30 16:37 |
| acer-box__ | [3] https://www.gnu.org/manual/blurbs.html | Jun 30 16:37 |
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| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Resources/CopyrightAs ) | Jun 30 16:38 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.gnu.org | GNU Package Blurbs - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation | Jun 30 16:38 | |
| acer-box__ | https://mobile.twitter.com/LikeSait/status/1278029153061810176?p=p | Jun 30 21:33 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-mobile.twitter.com | Twitter | Jun 30 21:33 | |
| acer-box__ | Na serveru Techrights.org vyšel článek The GNU Project is Bleeding Into Microsoft, který upozorňuje na podezřele se množící případy projektů, které jsou přesměrované z webových stránek GNU na GitHub (proprietární software a služba provozovaná Microsoftem). Článek poukazuje i na to, že k řadě přesměrování došlo po tom, co byl Richard Stallman (zakladatel hnutí GNU a nadace FSF) „vyhnán“ z vedení FSF ( | Jun 30 21:33 |
| acer-box__ | resp. odstoupil po agresivní | Jun 30 21:33 |
| acer-box__ | … více » | Jun 30 21:33 |
| acer-box__ | https://mobile.twitter.com/LikeSait/status/1278029153061810176?p=p | Jun 30 21:34 |
| acer-box__ | Na serveru Techrights.org vyšel článek The GNU Project is Bleeding Into Microsoft, který upozorňuje na podezřele se množící případy projektů, které jsou přesměrované z webových stránek GNU na GitHub (proprietární software a služba provozovaná Microsoftem). Článek poukazuje i na to, že k řadě přesměrování došlo po tom, co byl Richard Stallman (zakladatel hnutí GNU a nadace FSF) „vyhnán“ z vedení FSF ( | Jun 30 21:34 |
| acer-box__ | resp. odstoupil po agresivní štvavé kampani vedené proti jeho osobě v září 2019). | Jun 30 21:34 |
| acer-box__ | Zdrojové kódy z GitHubu si lze sice (zatím?) stahovat ( git clone) i bez registrace a přihlášení, ale pokud se někdo chce aktivně zapojit do projektu a např. hlásit chyby nebo posílat tzv. pull requesty (patche), je k tomu nutné mít účet u této proprietární centralizované služby, což znamená uzavřít smlouvu s GitHubem. Tomuto problému se věnuje i Sane software manifesto, dle kterého přispívání do | Jun 30 21:34 |
| acer-box__ | svobodného a příčetného softwaru nesmí být podmíněno uzavíráním takových smluv (ani registrací u nějaké konkrétní třetí strany ani podepsáním politického či náboženského prohlášení). | Jun 30 21:34 |
| acer-box__ | Tato zprávička byla zaslána čtenářem serveru Root.cz pomocí formuláře Přidat zprávičku. Děkujeme! | Jun 30 21:34 |
| acer-box__ | https://www.root.cz/zpravicky/techrights-podezrela-presmerovani-z-gnu-org-na-github/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=rss | Jun 30 21:34 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.root.cz | Techrights: podezřelá přesměrování z GNU.org na GitHub - Root.cz | Jun 30 21:34 | |
| acer-box__ | https://www.root.cz/zpravicky/techrights-podezrela-presmerovani-z-gnu-org-na-github/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=rss | Jun 30 21:35 |
| acer-box__ | https://www.abclinuxu.cz/zpravicky/techrights-podezrela-presmerovani-z-gnu.org-na-github | Jun 30 21:35 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.abclinuxu.cz | Techrights: Podezřelá přesměrování z GNU.org na GitHub | Jun 30 21:35 | |
| acer-box__ | https://twitter.com/LukasJelinekKH/status/1278064139777302528?p=p | Jun 30 21:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@LukasJelinekKH: @Microsoft has obviously penetrated into @fsf. Sad, very sad... :-( https://t.co/tIuxERKrT6 | Jun 30 21:36 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2020/06/29/gnu-redirects/ ) | Jun 30 21:36 | |
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