●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, December 31, 2021 ●● ● Dec 31 [00:07] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:07] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes [00:20] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:30] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@kmujm4s8xqrtu.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 31 [01:13] *psydroid4 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:27] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:35] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:35] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes [01:41] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 31 [02:08] *leah has quit (connection closed) [02:08] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes [02:45] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:55] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 31 [03:17] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:18] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes [03:31] *leah has quit (connection closed) [03:31] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes [03:32] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 31 [04:01] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:15] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:16] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes [04:17] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes [04:20] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[07:44] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #techbytes [07:51] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) ● Dec 31 [08:19] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Dec 31 [09:48] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@ye68sz7bujpma.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 31 [12:29] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Dec 31 [13:30] *psydroid4 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techbytes [13:42] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: brb) [13:44] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@gvqcm9zsc4knq.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 31 [15:38] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:38] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 31 [16:16] schestowitz__[TR] DaemonFC: [16:16] schestowitz__[TR] Stefano Maffulli wrote on 30/12/2021 17:26: [16:16] schestowitz__[TR] > (condensing in one thread) [16:16] schestowitz__[TR] > I think you're misinterpreting Josh's words. Plus i believe he is referring to 2020. [16:16] schestowitz__[TR] Yes, he is. [16:16] schestowitz__[TR] > Josh says that *clearlydefined* has a budget of roughly $250k. That's what Josh means when he says "earmarked". That money is not for OSI to use. They're a separate team making their own decisions. OSI acts as a fiscal sponsor for CD. [16:16] schestowitz__[TR] I'm not misinterpreting this; I listened again and I know what he meant. [16:16] schestowitz__[TR] > Fundraising for OSI in 2021 gave better results than in 2020. I encourage you to draw your own conclusions about the diversity of funding sources looking at the list of sponsors and the amounts they contribute on opensource.org. [16:16] schestowitz__[TR] Last I checked (IRS is always behind), 95% of the money comes from corporations. Simon did not even bother refuting this, he just got all upset about me pointing that out. [16:16] schestowitz__[TR] --------- [16:16] schestowitz__[TR] Correction: I've just checked the latest available IRS filing. [16:16] schestowitz__[TR] 96%of the budget comes from corporation. So it has in fact gotten worse since I last checked. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] Also, I am sincerely unsure about whether the Microsoft/GH/CD-OSI arrangement is in compliance with IRS regulations, but I'd have to ask an American accountant. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] --------- [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] Remember that historically I SUPPORTED OSI. You lost many >COMMUNITY< supporters. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] Sometimes I think you wilfully forgot that C word: COMMUNITY. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] > I am open to honest debate and conversations, not interested in becoming a punching bag. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] I welcomed you when you came to OSI. I even got flak for that. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] You did come from the COMMUNITY. I hope you can repair the OSI, but I dread its current trajectory. The less relevant the OSI becomes, the less the corporations will need to "support" it. And this is how popular movements get 'defused'. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] I should note that the OSI's 2 co-founders are either banned or left in protest. That alone tells a great deal. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] > All we've done yesterday was publishing an update from an open source project supported by OSI and you jumped from there to concluding that Microsoft owns OSI and me? [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] No, I reached the conclusion that Microsoft plays a corrosive role in OSI a very long time ago. I was hoping you'd change course. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] Let's not inflate accusations against me, either. Straw man arguments are unhelpful. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] > I'm hoping that clarifying the nature of collaboration between OSI and CD gives you better insights and helps you at least to suspend judgement. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] GitHub is the #1 threat at the moment (I explained the reasons many times before). You folks took money from Microsoft through two palms and then reciprocated disproportionately. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] > 1) OSI doesn't "censor": Twitter suspended you. They're notoriously not fair in how they handle judgements. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] Twitter suspended me because some person or people filed complained about my tweets about OSI, conveniently framing that as "COVID". Twitter took the wrong action and says it may take "DAYS" to process my appeal. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] > 2) i believe you attribute to OSI the wrong mission. The mission of OSI is not the abolition of proprietary software. That's the role of the FSF. OSI mission is to be the steward of the open source definition. OSI *doesn't promote* proprietary software agenda and it's always been pragmatic about it. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] There are many untrue things in the above statement, but I shall leave it aside. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] > I have office hours on Fridays to talk with community members. I encourage you to book time so we canb chat more in depth about these topics and the future plans for OSI. Go to Https://cal.com/smaffulli to find time that suits you [16:17] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-cal.com | Stefano Maffulli | Cal.com [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] I prefer written communication if that's OK. Also, I'm not an enemy, mind you, I just see happening right now what happened in LF and OSDL. I am hardly shocked that Patrick jumped ship. It was getting pretty rough around that time... [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] > /Stef [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] > [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] > Ps I'm glad that your Twitter account wasn't suspended for long: i see a lot of tweets coming from your account, I'm glad that issue was resolved. I asked about mastodon because I'm sure you know that distributed networks are a lot more resistant to arbitrary decisions by the puppet masters. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] No, Twitter left me suspended. I'm unable to post anything for 6 more days. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] I use an instance of Diaspora, the Fediverse has its own share of issues that I wrote about over the years. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] I am interested in further dialogue. You and I have far more in common (than opposition) and I think you underestimate the forces of entryism in any such institution -- included the OSI -- which helps bypass direct negotiation with actual communities. OSI became like a "yellow union" some years ago. [16:17] schestowitz__[TR] To Simon's credit, he did have a good grasp of such threats; he kicked out Black Duck -- mostly a Microsoft proxy (I've been tracking their actions since 2007) -- but somehow Microsoft slipped through the filter. I don't believe it was his decision alone. [16:32] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [16:34] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@joseon-6aqtqe.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 31 [17:53] schestowitz__[TR] draft: [17:53] schestowitz__[TR] (not published) [17:53] schestowitz__[TR] In raising these points I've noticed how much the lines are drawn between, as it were, The Judean People's Front and The Peoples' Front of Judea (splitters). There are divisive issues in tech-rights that keep us fighting amongst ourselves, spiralling down a technological race to the bottom, while Microsoft and Google laugh all the way to the bank. There is room for more unity and communication within the tech-rights field and far more [17:53] schestowitz__[TR] coordination against Big-Tech. A stronger, common vocabulary can help us. [17:53] schestowitz__[TR] Fake it till you make it [17:53] schestowitz__[TR] Being a Vegan "impostor" myself I've also developed a sharp nose for "Fake Digital Vegans" - those who say "Oh yes, how awful and ghastly it all is", while messaging on Facebook. They care deeply about everything, so long as changing would not inconvenience them. Note also those fundamentally conflicted pragmatists, (part-time) warriors "changing the system from the inside". I decline joining their "Overthrow The System" Facebook group. [17:53] schestowitz__[TR] I've also noticed a slew of click-bait stories in the popular press that tease us with "I quit my smartphone for a month and you'll never believe what happened to me next!". Actually I can guess you got paid a big bag of money for lying about it. Celebrities making grand public theatre of their few weeks without Alexa (the horror) actually subtract from responsible, moderate use. Only this week another latecomer joined the party. Comedian [17:53] schestowitz__[TR] David Baddiel made his own apologies for correctly naming everything wrong with social media, including his own daughter's distress, before admitting his hopeless addiction and crawling back to it. [17:53] schestowitz__[TR] I've come to think that fetishism of "tech-fasting" only cements addict-like behaviour. It's flip-side is Cyber Monday bingeing on IoT junk to "reward yourself". Do or do not, there is no try. Like Baddiel's, these accounts are generally pessimistic in their conclusion that it's "impossible" to stand up against Big-Tech. They are coded messages from the establishment saying, "Don't be so silly, nobody can really live without a smartphone". I [17:53] schestowitz__[TR] occasionally encounter a predictable "backlash against the backlash", sometimes mocking individual efforts to live healthier technological lives as romantic folly or even "white-male privilege". ● Dec 31 [18:14] schestowitz__[TR] > Evening Roy, [18:14] schestowitz__[TR] > [18:14] schestowitz__[TR] > Part 7 ready to go. A bit of a shorter one. [18:14] schestowitz__[TR] Excellent, yes... I opened mail as I had refreshed the page and saw the change. I otherwise check mail no more than once a day ;-) a notifications veganism. Reducing disruption to the mind and workflow ;-) [18:14] schestowitz__[TR] > By all means add a link to the final stanza that meshes with [18:14] schestowitz__[TR] > your struggle with Twitter etc. [18:14] schestowitz__[TR] I'm going through the text now, will see if that fits in and where. [18:14] schestowitz__[TR] There's a 72-min video about OSI being uploaded right now. [18:14] schestowitz__[TR] > Maybe take a break tomorrow and then go for part 8 as a new-year grand [18:14] schestowitz__[TR] > finale ? [18:14] schestowitz__[TR] I rarely take breaks unless I travel, which happens less when COVID-19 is so clearly out of control. 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