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● May 01
[00:01]	DaemonFC	It's not exactly reasonable to remain compatible with old buggy compilers that need special workarounds, which nobody is even testing, and are unsupported upstream.
[00:02]	DaemonFC	Haiku 64-bit has no compatibility with legacy BeOS.
[00:02]	DaemonFC	The 32-bit version is tricky to build. For compatibility with BeOS, it has to be compiled with a version of GCC that's about 20 years old.
[00:03]	DaemonFC	It is hard to imagine what legacy BeOS software anyone would want to run since it was never a very popular system.
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[00:16]	matey	schestowitz-TR   for low-income homes   they give 150 this month to help with rising energy costs   we got 150 pounds a few days ago
[00:16]	matey	/me tries to understand how hes going to retire in early/mid 40s while being low-income, but ok
[00:17]	matey	/me refers to claims of retiring soon made a year or two ago
[00:17]	matey	i dont suppose its impossible per se
[00:25]	activelow	DaemonFC: would you consider C++, what's typically written with it, or any of it's compilers stable and reliable?
[00:29]		*psydruid plans to simply expire
[00:34]	psydruid	I never understood compatibility with ancient closed source software for BeOS
[00:34]	matey	its a goal from another era
[00:35]	matey	compatibility as a feature was a big deal in the 80s
[00:35]	matey	it still matters, but back then it was like "and this car has WINGS, too"
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[00:36]	matey	"you mean it works with everything i already own, too?"
[00:36]	matey	"YES!"
[00:36]	matey	i was extremely impressed when os/2 warp ran windows 3.x applications
[00:37]	matey	it seemed like a magic trick
[00:37]	psydruid	"I want the KFC Car and Game Console, because they have wings!"
[00:37]	matey	of course i was pretty naive about it. wikipedia wouldnt exist for what, another ecade or so
[00:38]	matey	i was also impressed to find a kfc in the uk :)
[00:38]	matey	impressed and somewhat shocked
[00:38]	psydruid	I understand why they did it, but at some point it keeps you from moving forward
[00:38]	matey	and naturally, the kfc in britain has better chips than the american ones do
[00:38]	psydruid	and then it's time to let go
[00:38]	matey	i dont think compatibility is such a bad thing
[00:39]	psydruid	oh, I didn't know
[00:39]	matey	i mean sometimes its a drag
[00:39]	matey	and other times its great
[00:39]	matey	i dont know if theres a hard rule here
[00:40]	matey	i think it depends on what is meant by compatibility too
[00:40]	matey	because systemd isnt being held back by compatibility, its simply destroying everything it touches
[00:41]	psydruid	nowadays you mainly want to be compatible with what goes for "free software" despite all the negatives associated with the (by itself positive) term
[00:41]	matey	if your goal is to emulate the nes for example
[00:41]	matey	thats a worthwhile goal imo
[00:42]	matey	even though i dont personally give a shit about the nes
[00:42]	psydruid	sure, because you want to play those games
[00:42]	matey	the broader goal of 
[00:42]	matey	no
[00:42]	psydruid	or someone does
[00:42]	matey	because id like there to be museums where people can play those games
[00:42]	matey	or just
[00:42]	matey	you know
[00:42]	matey	living computer history
[00:43]	matey	being able to install some compatibility layer, and try something from 50 years ago
[00:43]	matey	then again i think people should USUALLY avoid installing wine
[00:43]	psydruid	I could see that being important to some people
[00:43]	matey	but why beos wants it so much as a builtin
[00:43]	matey	that i dont know
[00:44]	matey	just to say we can do it too
[00:44]	matey	or someone gave them money dogeared for that to be implemented
[00:44]	matey	or maybe
[00:44]	matey	beos serves no other real purpose unless it can do that...
[00:45]	matey	like if wine cant run windows programs...
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[00:45]	matey	then whats it for?
[00:45]	psydruid	nothing
[00:45]	matey	the other thing is
[00:45]	matey	businesses that can stick with a custom solution for a LONG LONG time
[00:46]	matey	i mean like cobol in banks
[00:46]	matey	cobol!
[00:46]	matey	there was a time, in the past 17 years, where you could make SOME money if you were very proficient at quickbasic
[00:46]	matey	because people still had point of sale machines based on it
[00:46]	matey	so to maintain them they needed someone who could code in qb
[00:47]	matey	or they had to buy all new machines
[00:48]	matey	f course these are edge uses
[00:49]	matey	most people just get new stuff
[00:49]	psydruid	I ran haiku on a low-end laptop for a year but it was a bit buggy and an update broke hardware support, so I got rid of it
[00:49]	matey	but theyve got places that make taffy for example
[00:49]	matey	the machines are more than 100 years old
[00:50]	matey	and if they break down, they have someone come in and repair them
[00:50]	matey	it was a bit buggy and an update broke hardware support, so I got rid of it <- yeah i mean, i have no use for it. i think its even github-based
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[00:51]	psydruid	I just wanted to see what it was like and what it did differently from gnu/linux
[00:51]	matey	it has a certain charm but thats about it
[00:52]	matey	farther along than reactos but at least as niche
[00:53]	psydruid	the only thing haiku and reactos can teach us is how to be nimble with resources, because that seems like a lost art
[00:54]	matey	i dont think reactos can even do that
[00:54]	matey	i mean start with a 20 year old system
[00:54]	matey	then implement half of it
[00:54]	matey	of course its going to be light on resources
[00:55]	matey	but that doesnt mean ntkerne was light on resources at the time
[00:55]	matey	nt was a beast
[00:55]	matey	i mean we could get a 20 year old version of debian
[00:55]	matey	it started in 1995...
[00:55]	matey	implement half of it :)
[00:56]	matey	but i mean, baphos already does that, so
[00:56]	matey	et voila
[00:56]	matey	and even if theres a hint of sarcasm here, i dont think its the stupidest idea in the world to do this
[00:57]	matey	but it has tradeoffs, big ones
[00:57]	matey	so do ros and haiki
[00:57]	matey	haiku
[00:57]	matey	im not sure theyre doing anything special in this regard though. maybe they are
[00:57]	psydruid	I guess terminalos will outdo them all
[00:57]	matey	yeah i mean
[00:57]	matey	theo doesnt even use x :)
[00:58]	matey	my guess is he watches netflix on a roku or something 
[00:58]	matey	or bought some blu-ray player with the same capability
[00:58]	psydruid	it will take us to the moon and poof, the os is gone
[00:58]	matey	he cant be stupid enough to own a smart tv :/
[00:58]	psydruid	because it was devices as a terminal os
[00:59]	matey	it will take us to the moon <- i mean if you want reliability, just thread rope cores like the moon lander did :)
[00:59]	matey	libre hardware!
● May 01
[01:00]	matey	they didnt have to "source" any intel chips or z80 because they didnt have tech like that in 1969
[01:00]	psydruid	I used a smart tv as an external monitor for some time, but it was never connected to the internet
[01:00]	matey	i dont want to give money to the people selling them
[01:00]	psydruid	I noticed it was looking for a connection to the mother ship at night
[01:00]	matey	of course ill be a tv WITHOUT a mic and camera from the same people, so im not entirely sure what point im making
[01:01]	psydruid	I didn't buy it, but I used it for that time
[01:01]	matey	though im willing to stick with it until i get a better idea
[01:01]	matey	the other thing is
[01:01]	matey	wifi
[01:01]	psydruid	I've only ever bought computer monitors
[01:01]	matey	yeah
[01:01]	matey	i mean if it wont play on a computer monitor
[01:01]	matey	i probably dont need to play it
[01:02]	matey	and with monitors that do hdmi now...
[01:03]	matey	i mean this one does hsmi
[01:03]	matey	hdmi
[01:03]	psydruid	there is a bug/feature with widevine drm in combination with browsers
[01:03]	matey	i havent tried using it as a tv because i dont own any tuners or blu-ray stuff
[01:03]	matey	actually i think i might have a blu-ray for a pc, ive never used it
[01:03]	psydruid	if you go full screen the screen becomes black
[01:04]	matey	 there is a bug/feature with widevine drm <- i wont buy dvds (so far at least) that include widevine as an option
[01:04]	psydruid	unless you haven't maximized the window first
[01:04]	matey	not because of any other reason than
[01:04]	matey	i dont want to give money to the company offering it
[01:04]	matey	i used to get dvds at the library 
[01:04]	matey	and a wife too
[01:05]	matey	met her at the library
[01:05]	psydruid	so that's how DRM messes things up for regular users who have no clue what is going on until it's too late
[01:06]	matey	i was surprised when i was able to download from peertube
[01:06]	matey	i wasnt expecting that
[01:06]	matey	i mean i didnt watch in the browser
[01:07]	activelow	matey> they didnt have to "source" any intel chips or z80 because they didnt have tech like that in 1969
[01:07]	activelow	earlier "CPU" were build from TTL7400 chips, similar to Gigatron TTL
[01:07]	matey	yeah
[01:07]	matey	like the original dec machines
[01:07]	matey	which were built from discrete transistors
[01:07]	activelow	nonetheless, were similar in design and capabilites of later Z80/i8086 who bundles this into a CPU package
[01:08]	matey	sure
[01:08]	activelow	somehow, "CPU" is a misnomer, because, it contains distinct parts
[01:08]	matey	and with people like sam zeloof working on homemade ics
[01:09]	matey	it should get a lot more interesting
[01:09]	matey	i mean he makes his own transistors!
[01:09]	matey	in a chip!
[01:09]	matey	its crazy
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[01:09]	matey	in his garage!
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[01:10]	activelow	he cannot produce RAM/ROM or sufficient amount of it, last time i read about it
[01:10]	matey	imagine going to thingiverse or something
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[01:10]	matey	and just downloading a chip that contains i dunno
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[01:11]	matey	he cannot produce RAM/ROM or sufficient amount of it, last time i read about it <- i mean, thats no big deal
[01:11]	matey	he can make a cpu
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[01:11]	activelow	the early systems had the same problem, amount of RAM/ROM, the BASIC paper tape, from Micro-Soft, was 4KiB or 8KiB total... impressive
[01:11]	matey	i mean you can buy ram
[01:11]	matey	until someone figures out how to make that too
[01:12]	matey	and i suppose clock speeds and refresh rates are a thing
[01:12]	matey	but there are so many cool workarounds there
[01:12]	matey	which (no matter what rms says about retrocomputing)
[01:12]	activelow	don't know how much RAM zeloof got, to load the Tiny BASIC paper tape... as an idea and cornerstone of such a project
[01:13]	matey	those workarounds could assist making new ram work with the newest (slower) homemade chips, maybe
[01:13]	matey	i think a lot of people want paper tape as a SECONDARY option, not the primary design
[01:13]	matey	paper tape is a pain to work with
[01:14]	matey	and its fucking SLOW
[01:14]	activelow	i think earlier computers used SRAM, not DRAM... and if zeloof can implement transistor logic for a 4004 CPU, he can too to have SRAM, however tiny the amount
[01:14]	activelow	SRAM was very expensive, still is
[01:14]	matey	they made sram in lower quantities im sure
[01:14]	matey	if they made it in similar quantities as dram maybe it would be cheaper-- this isnt my area of course
[01:14]	activelow	i think paper tape is still relevant... long term storage
[01:15]	matey	relevant? yes. practical? ...
[01:15]	matey	...
[01:15]	matey	i mean, as for how practical it is
[01:15]	schestowitz-TR	[00:17] <matey> /me refers to claims of retiring soon made a year or two ago
[01:15]	activelow	matey: for decades computers used punched paper tapes
[01:15]	matey	loading baph os on paper tape would take how many hours?
[01:15]	schestowitz-TR	they judge by worth of house you live in
[01:15]	schestowitz-TR	we are in lowest band
[01:15]	matey	they judge by worth of house you live in <- wow, like counting the windows
[01:15]	matey	but makes sense
[01:15]	matey	for decades computers used punched paper tapes <- and loading things from paper tape is INCREDIBLY slow
[01:16]	activelow	don't think so, IBM too constructed paper tape readers, and those were fast enough
[01:16]	matey	like even in the 1950s, before a computer even spent time on your program-- they had ANOTHER MACHINE load all the punchcards onto magnetic tapes before the computer would even touch them
[01:16]	activelow	during US elections those were still used, until a few years ago
[01:16]	activelow	and, i might add, it's sad this technology isn't maintained anymore
[01:17]	matey	otherwise, the punchcards were so slow they would run the budget of the computer through the roof
[01:17]	matey	and in a week, maybe 1/10 of much computing would get done
[01:17]	matey	paper is SLOW
[01:18]	matey	its so slow it should have its own word 
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[01:18]	matey	like i said, you load baph os from paper tape, itll take all day to boot
[01:18]	matey	even if the computer can load it in 30 seconds
[01:18]	matey	thats a hell of a bottleneck
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[01:19]	matey	 don't think so, IBM too constructed paper tape readers, and those were fast enough <- i mean i can show you the footage. its archived
[01:19]	matey	this is why they invented timesharing 
[01:20]	activelow	matey: how much time was required with the Altair 8800 to read the 4K/8K BASIC paper tape into SRAM?
[01:20]	matey	all the paper -> magtape business was too slow
[01:20]	activelow	i bet it wasn't much slower than a modern system with systemd booting
[01:20]	matey	the key being 4k/8k
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[01:20]	matey	how many "k" is baphos
[01:21]	activelow	roughly the size of a CDROM; yet that's not the question, because Baphos isn't tailored for an Altair 8800
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[01:21]	matey	but that is my point
[01:21]	matey	if paper tape is so practical...
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[01:22]	activelow	and it isn't relevant in the context the use case of punched cards and paper tapes
[01:22]	matey	youre stuck with programs like 4k/8k altair basic, because otherwise youre going to spend hours booting up
[01:22]	matey	if youre happy with altair basic as an os, you can do it all on paper tape
[01:22]	activelow	same with 9pin matrix printers, which i kept maintaining, those aren't slow if used as these were intended to (which asn't high resolution graphics)
[01:23]	matey	i had a 9pin matrix printer
[01:23]	matey	so i know what it was capable of
[01:23]	matey	i also had a very low end laser printer, which was a lot faster than the 9pin but
[01:23]	matey	slower than nearly anything i can find today
[01:24]	activelow	i said the altair 8800 and punched paper tape is still relevant, not only for projects such as the i4004 which zeloof builds
[01:24]	matey	and just to access it from the network i had to put it on a pentium iii :)
[01:24]	matey	i dont think the altair is the sort of thing zeloof intends to build up to
[01:25]	matey	right now the number of transistors hes putting on his chips is growing faster than moores law
[01:25]	matey	its catchup, so its not like he can keep performing like that
[01:25]	activelow	the altair was equipped with in i8080 already, the successor of the i4004
[01:25]	matey	i think maybe youre missing the point here
[01:25]	matey	or making a false assumption
[01:26]	matey	i dont think zeloof is trying to bring back 8 bit computing
[01:26]	matey	people already do that
[01:26]	matey	i dont think thats what leah is excited about either
[01:27]	matey	ive got nothing against 8 bit computer as an option
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[01:27]	matey	8 bits very cool
[01:27]	matey	but this isnt just about retro computing, its about d-i-y computing, beyond 80s limitations 
[01:27]	matey	thats the goal
[01:27]	activelow	the i4004 had a 4Bit ALU, the i8080 too iirc, with 8bit databus, and 16bit address space
[01:28]	activelow	so it isn't entirely clear, what you mean with 8bit computing
[01:28]	matey	its really simple. im talking about goals that are more modern than anythign in that entire era
[01:28]	matey	you insist on getting down to atomic details, okay
[01:28]	activelow	and the punched paper tapes are cool too, because those can be constructed relatively easy, in comparison to any ROM chip
[01:28]	matey	but thats why youre missing the point. it isnt about WHICH of those it is
[01:28]	matey	it isnt about ANY of those
[01:28]	psydruid	I think he is researching independent manufacture of free hardware in a home setting and I hope he will continue developing processes for being able to do that
[01:28]	matey	yes, punched paper tapes ARE super cool
[01:29]	matey	but not practical for most of our goals
[01:29]	matey	which require more speed
[01:29]	matey	and i think you overestimate the bandwidth paper tape is capable of
[01:29]	activelow	an 8K punched tape suffices for some "BIOS" type system, with a tiny shell and basic interpreter
[01:30]	matey	on an 8bit machine.
[01:30]	matey	yes
[01:30]	matey	we are going in circles now, maybe its time to respool the tape.
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[01:32]		*psydruid just wants to be able to produce a modern 32-bit or 64-bit chip using a sane instruction set
[01:33]	matey	how cool would that be
[01:34]	activelow	^ sparc leon from Airbus
[01:34]	activelow	this chip too went to the ISS
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[01:34]	matey	yeah, but so did debian
[01:35]	TR News	"Musk is no stranger to using Twitter as part of his fiscal engineering, and the Feds are no strangers to slapping him down as a result." https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/19/twitter_faces_existential_threat_from/
[01:35]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/19/twitter_faces_existential_threat_from/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/19/twitter_faces_existential_threat_from/
[01:35]	TR Bot	 Twitter faces existential threat from Elon Musk's takeover The Register
[01:35]	TR News	Good for the planet, bad for spy agencies https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/19/smartphone_shipments_q1_2022/
[01:35]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/19/smartphone_shipments_q1_2022/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/19/smartphone_shipments_q1_2022/
[01:36]	TR Bot	 Smartphone shipments down again for Q1 2022 The Register
[01:38]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/25/in_brief_security/
[01:38]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/25/in_brief_security/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/25/in_brief_security/
[01:38]	TR Bot	 FBI says BlackCat Rust-based ransomware scratched 60+ orgs The Register
[01:41]	psydruid	Microsoft Braindead OS with the best ROI on braindeadism in the industry
[01:42]	TR News	India reveals RISC-V CPU roadmap, expects product by 2023 - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/29/india_risc_v_microprocessor_program/ Source: theregister
[01:42]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/29/india_risc_v_microprocessor_program/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/29/india_risc_v_microprocessor_program/
[01:42]	TR Bot	 India reveals RISC-V CPU roadmap, expects product by 2023 The Register
[01:42]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO again https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/29/bumblee-malware-conti-malware/
[01:42]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/29/bumblee-malware-conti-malware/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/29/bumblee-malware-conti-malware/
[01:42]	TR Bot	 Bumblebee malware loader emerges The Register
[01:45]	activelow	gn
[01:48]	schestowitz-TR	0/
[01:48]	cameron1	 hello schestowitz-TR
[01:48]	schestowitz-TR	hi cameron1
[01:48]	cameron1	 Yes? schestowitz-TR
[01:49]	psydruid	Bumblebee <3 Optimus
[01:49]	schestowitz-TR	Bumblebee, IIRC, was the one with the machine gun
[01:50]	psydruid	yes
[01:53]	TR News	Paul Wise: FLOSS Activities April 2022 http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log/2022/05/01/floss-activities/
[01:53]	TR Bot	 FLOSS Activities April 2022
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[01:57]	AdmFubar	https://www.repair.org/blog/2022/4/27/03kl2m5moyqurmstbvckhaoqi3btxq
[01:57]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: repair.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.repair.org/blog/2022/4/27/03kl2m5moyqurmstbvckhaoqi3btxq https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.repair.org/blog/2022/4/27/03kl2m5moyqurmstbvckhaoqi3btxq
[01:57]	TR Bot	 Apple's Big Fat Nothing Burger The Repair Association
[01:58]	MinceR	is a nothingburger like a cheeseburger, except with nothing in place of the cheese?
[01:59]	schestowitz-TR	nothing tastes like cheese
[01:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 39.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 535.20
[01:59]	MinceR	:)
[01:59]		*MinceR eats a bit of nothing
[01:59]	TR News	Apple makes life harder, not earlier https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/invisible-files-and-apples-finder-tar-rsync-and-gnu-tar.2342670/
[01:59]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: macrumors.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/invisible-files-and-apples-finder-tar-rsync-and-gnu-tar.2342670/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/invisible-files-and-apples-finder-tar-rsync-and-gnu-tar.2342670/
[01:59]	TR Bot	 Invisible files and Apple's Finder, tar, rsync, and GNU tar | MacRumors Forums
● May 01
[02:01]	TR News	SeaWorld is abusing animals. It now exploits this "Penguin World Day" (never a corporate stunt, right?) for PR BS https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/SEAWORLD-ENTERTAINMENT-I-13027344/news/SeaWorld-Entertainment-Celebrating-World-Penguin-Day-with-Eight-Species-of-Penguin-40144920/
[02:01]	TR Bot	Entertainment : Celebrating World Penguin Day with Eight Species of Penguin | MarketScreener
[02:02]	TR News	"Netatalk is an AFP (short for Apple Filing Protocol) open-source implementation that allows systems running *NIX/*BSD to act as AppleShare file servers (AFP) for macOS clients (i.e., to access files stored on Synology NAS devices)." https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/synology-warns-of-critical-netatalk-bugs-in-multiple-products/
[02:02]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/synology-warns-of-critical-netatalk-bugs-in-multiple-products/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/synology-warns-of-critical-netatalk-bugs-in-multiple-products/
[02:02]	TR Bot	 Synology warns of critical Netatalk bugs in multiple products
[02:03]	TR News	Fauci: pandemic over. Saner people: No, it ain't. https://www.kitsapsun.com/story/news/2022/04/27/bremerton-high-school-returning-remote-learning-after-covid-19-outbreak/9555366002/
[02:03]	TR Bot	 Bremerton High returning to remote learning after COVID-19 outbreak
[02:05]	TR News	States like to conflate computer security with national security, where the latter requires a SABOTAGE of the former (to dominate all people via their devices)
[02:07]	TR News	New page: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/latest-videos/2022/April/ in HTTP: http://techrights.org/videos/index-April-2022.html
[02:07]	TR Bot	 Techrights Videos - April 2022
[02:09]	TR News	Technical GulagTube used: Shit, Gulag is reducing my views by screwing with the algo!! Non-technical GulagTube used: My views are down, maybe I offended people, maybe I did something wrong, maybe I need to work harder or buy a newer or more expensive camera. Gulag tortures millions of people for billions of dollars. Get off this wagon. Same for Musk Social (Twitter). Stop being used!!
[02:15]	TR News	Spoiler: Techrights EPO series will show that EPO supports Lukashenko with funds
[02:15]	TR News	FCC Poised To Change Directional FM Tower Siting Rules. | Story | insideradio.com https://www.insideradio.com/free/fcc-poised-to-change-directional-fm-tower-siting-rules/article_0ba65e54-c78b-11ec-864d-971188f0bf89.html Source: insideradio
[02:15]	TR Bot	Poised To Change Directional FM Tower Siting Rules. | Story | insideradio.com
[02:16]	TR News	Musks Twitter deal stirs fears of abuse in Asia, Middle East | Al Arabiya English https://english.alarabiya.net/features/2022/04/29/Musk-s-Twitter-deal-stirs-fears-of-abuse-in-Asia-Middle-East "Elon Musks plan to acquire Twitter has alarmed human rights activists in Asia and the Middle East..."
[02:16]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: alarabiya.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://english.alarabiya.net/features/2022/04/29/Musk-s-Twitter-deal-stirs-fears-of-abuse-in-Asia-Middle-East https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://english.alarabiya.net/features/2022/04/29/Musk-s-Twitter-deal-stirs-fears-of-abuse-in-Asia-Middle-East
[02:16]	TR Bot	 Musks Twitter deal stirs fears of abuse in Asia, Middle East | Al Arabiya English
[02:17]	TR News	Platform for violence http://techrights.org/2022/03/01/twitter-happier-during-wars/
[02:17]	TR Bot	 Twitter Profits From Conflict | Techrights
[02:17]	TR News	I'd like to know if there are good metric or measured by which to show that over the past week activity in Twitter has fallen
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[02:19]	TR News	Tim Anderson is STILL doing Microsoft propaganda! To him, Apple stuff is "compelling" if it runs... WINDOWS https://devclass.com/2022/04/25/asahi-linux-better-vm-support-apple-silicon/ see http://techrights.org/2008/11/09/bribe-for-vista-7-review/
[02:19]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: devclass.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://devclass.com/2022/04/25/asahi-linux-better-vm-support-apple-silicon/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://devclass.com/2022/04/25/asahi-linux-better-vm-support-apple-silicon/
[02:19]	TR Bot	 Apple M1 Macs get more compelling for developers
[02:19]	TR Bot	 Tim Anderson Received Bribe for Vista 7 Review | Techrights
[02:21]	psydruid	Braindead Tim
[02:21]	TR News	LOL!!! Gulag removes GNU/Linux (Gentoo) feature, brings it back... INNOVATION!! "That's why we're so excited to see Google adding a nifty pinning feature to Chrome OS, bringing your most mundane multitasking desire to life: keeping a window on top." https://www.androidpolice.com/chromeos-always-on-top/
[02:21]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: androidpolice.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.androidpolice.com/chromeos-always-on-top/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.androidpolice.com/chromeos-always-on-top/
[02:21]	TR Bot	 Chrome OS is picking up an old-school feature to help level up your multitasking game
[02:21]	psydruid	wants to run Braindead OS
[02:22]	psydruid	Big Surprise
[02:22]	TR News	But social control media as a concept, itself, is a problem https://thenewstack.io/challenges-of-creating-a-decentralized-open-source-twitter/
[02:22]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: thenewstack.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thenewstack.io/challenges-of-creating-a-decentralized-open-source-twitter/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://thenewstack.io/challenges-of-creating-a-decentralized-open-source-twitter/
[02:22]	TR Bot	 Challenges of Creating a Decentralized, Open Source Twitter The New Stack
[02:24]	TR News	Chainguard Enforce: Software Supply Chain Security for K8s - The New Stack https://thenewstack.io/chainguard-enforce-software-supply-chain-security-for-k8s/ Source: thenewstack
[02:24]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: thenewstack.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thenewstack.io/chainguard-enforce-software-supply-chain-security-for-k8s/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://thenewstack.io/chainguard-enforce-software-supply-chain-security-for-k8s/
[02:24]	TR Bot	 Chainguard Enforce: Software Supply Chain Security for K8s The New Stack
[02:24]	TR News	Windows booster sob as Windows is dying https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/266336/care-about-windows-do-not-watch-this-video
[02:24]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/266336/care-about-windows-do-not-watch-this-video )
[02:24]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: thurrott.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/266336/care-about-windows-do-not-watch-this-video https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/266336/care-about-windows-do-not-watch-this-video
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[02:30]	TR News	Windows Has Never Been So Small | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/30/month-check-statcounter/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/30/month-check-statcounter/
[02:30]	TR Bot	 Windows Has Never Been So Small | Techrights
[02:32]	TR News	Apple only third https://www.gsmarena.com/canalys_honor_was_the_top_smartphone_maker_in_china_in_q1_this_year-news-54141.php
[02:32]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: gsmarena.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gsmarena.com/canalys_honor_was_the_top_smartphone_maker_in_china_in_q1_this_year-news-54141.php https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.gsmarena.com/canalys_honor_was_the_top_smartphone_maker_in_china_in_q1_this_year-news-54141.php
[02:32]	TR Bot	Honor was the top smartphone maker in China in Q1 this year - GSMArena.com news
[02:33]	MinceR	what's crApple doing on a list of smartphone makers?
[02:33]	MinceR	or vendors
[02:34]	TR News	PentaGAFAM or Silicon Valley became a military (budget) dick-sucking competition. They don't even need to be profitable, it's just graft. Spy for the plutocrats, oppress the population, keep people down.
[02:34]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: apple invented the smartphone
[02:34]	schestowitz-TR	putting a word in front of "phone"
[02:35]	MinceR	lol
[02:35]	TR News	Matt Asay is a corporate troll, now working (shilling) for Bezos https://www.infoworld.com/article/3658394/the-emerging-risks-of-open-source.html
[02:35]	TR Bot	emerging risks of open source | InfoWorld
[02:37]	TR News	Hey, SolarWinds is NOT open source! https://blogs.grammatech.com/software-supply-chain-security-terminology
[02:37]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: grammatech.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blogs.grammatech.com/software-supply-chain-security-terminology https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://blogs.grammatech.com/software-supply-chain-security-terminology
[02:37]	TR Bot	 Software Supply Chain Security Terminology
[02:38]	TR News	The term "supply chain" is typically used as a FUD carrier for Microsoft and friends, to deamonise the victims when Microsoft transmits malware (e.g. ShitHub/NPM).
[02:38]	TR News	Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-300422.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-300422.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-300422.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-300422.txt
[02:38]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, April 30, 2022
[02:39]	TR News	Proprietary software is dangerous and malicious. You don't know what you're getting and what may happen next. https://wptavern.com/memberpress-plugin-is-locking-users-out-after-support-license-expires
[02:39]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: wptavern.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://wptavern.com/memberpress-plugin-is-locking-users-out-after-support-license-expires https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://wptavern.com/memberpress-plugin-is-locking-users-out-after-support-license-expires
[02:39]	TR Bot	 MemberPress Plugin Is Locking Users Out After Support License Expires WP Tavern
[02:39]	TR News	Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-300422.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-300422.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-300422.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-300422.txt
[02:39]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, April 30, 2022
[02:40]	TR News	Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-300422.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-300422.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-300422.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-300422.txt
[02:40]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, April 30, 2022
[02:41]	TR News	Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-300422.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-300422.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-300422.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-300422.txt
[02:41]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, April 30, 2022
[02:41]	TR News	World Malaria Day 2022. Someone should hand over a CHILD to Bill Gates.... for photo ops. https://english.jagran.com/lifestyle/world-malaria-day-2022-check-out-history-significance-and-theme-of-this-day-10042477
[02:41]	TR Bot	 World Malaria Day 2022: Know history, significance and theme of this day
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[02:44]	TR News	German Volla Phone 22: No Google on Privacy-Focused Phone http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163909#comment-33507
[02:44]	TR Bot	 Volla Phone 22 runs Ubuntu Touch or a privacy-focused Android fork... or both (crowdfunding) | Tux Machines
[02:44]	TR News	Greenwashing as a skill? You mean marketing? https://cleantechnica.com/2022/04/25/the-demand-for-green-skills-is-growing-globally/
[02:44]	TR Bot	Demand For Green Skills Is Growing Globally - CleanTechnica
[02:45]	TR News	Proprietary piece of garbage https://www.techradar.com/news/macos-server-has-been-killed-off-at-last
[02:45]	TR Bot	Server has been killed off at last | TechRadar
[02:45]	TR News	Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-04-30.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-04-30.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
[02:55]	TR News	Glyn Moody now records his poetry as audio https://glanglish.blogspot.com/2021/05/thoughts-for-your-pennies.html
[02:55]	TR Bot	 Glanglish: Thoughts for your pennies
[02:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.40 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.25 average k/sec., average swarm size 361.70
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[03:06]	IPFS	 Gemini requests since start of month:   23660 total Total number of pages in capsule: 40397      Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 2 months 21 days ago
[03:07]	IPFS	 IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated.  TotalIn: 28 GB    TotalOut: 6.0 GB
[03:08]	IPFS	 New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
[03:10]	IPFS	QmNYYAtNrZGSDgN96vbFkZNpzAhfBHT7jiw6ETUGeaiNLT
[03:10]	IPFS	 New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
[03:18]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164348
[03:18]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[03:32]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I found a bunch of books at the thrift store for 70 cents each.
[03:32]	DaemonFC	Everyone wants "Kindle" now.
[03:53]	schestowitz-TR	too bad
[03:53]	schestowitz-TR	(if true)
[03:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 41.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 37.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 421.76
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[04:06]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, April 30, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[04:06]	TR Bot	 Bulletin Archives
[04:06]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[04:06]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
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[04:39]	TR News	"Before computers had the hardware for 3D games, some games still managed a 3D view on a limited scale in dungeon crawlers." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/crawl-through-dungeons-hack-computers-or-explore-an-undersea-base-dungeon-crawler-jam/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
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[04:39]	TR News	"Valve released another set of Steam Deck upgrades and it includes updates for both the Stable and Beta branches." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-updates-out-for-stable-and-beta-better-refresh-rate-switching/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[04:39]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-updates-out-for-stable-and-beta-better-refresh-rate-switching/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-updates-out-for-stable-and-beta-better-refresh-rate-switching/
[04:39]	TR Bot	through dungeons, hack computers, or explore an undersea base: Dungeon Crawler Jam | GamingOnLinux
[04:39]	TR Bot	Deck updates out for Stable and Beta, better Refresh Rate Switching | GamingOnLinux
[04:41]	TR News	"Composer is a dependency manager tool for PHP especially designed to install and update project dependencies." https://www.linuxcloudvps.com/blog/how-to-install-and-use-php-composer-on-ubuntu-20-04/
[04:41]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxcloudvps.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.linuxcloudvps.com/blog/how-to-install-and-use-php-composer-on-ubuntu-20-04/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.linuxcloudvps.com/blog/how-to-install-and-use-php-composer-on-ubuntu-20-04/
[04:41]	TR Bot	to Install and Use PHP Composer on Ubuntu 20.04 | LinuxCloudVPS Blog
[04:41]	TR News	"The GW-01 protocol conversion gateway features the ARM Cortex-A8 (up to 1 GHz) CPU." https://linuxgizmos.com/novakon-new-din-rail-protocol-conversion-gateway-features-ti-sitara-arm-processor/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
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[06:36]	matey	mjg is actually doing one thing that is one of the most rewarding things there is
[06:37]	matey	which is teaching
[06:37]	matey	the cool thing about teaching is that anybody can do it (not everyone is a great teacher, but anybody can do it)
[06:38]	matey	its sharing knowledge, but more than that
[06:38]	matey	its helping people understand things
[06:39]	matey	one aspect of this which any good librarian is good at, is helping people find the information that will help them the most
[06:39]	matey	i mean people can look stuff up online, but they dont always know what to look for 
[06:39]	matey	librarians are good at that. so are good teachers
[06:40]	matey	if you get to know someone well enough, you can point them in the right direction in a number of ways
[06:40]	matey	so its not just about sharing knowledge, but having knowledge to share (anybody can give someone a url obviously)
[06:41]	matey	sometimes its about weighing options and making recommendations
[06:41]	matey	of course this isnt the kind of teaching where you have a set curriculum and are expected to spoonfeed it to people
[06:42]	matey	if you dont have the overhead of a formal uni setting for example, tutoring is relatively free-- what matters then is very different (to a degree)
[06:43]	matey	if the system is failing someone in some way, tutoring is a great way around that
[06:44]	matey	but there are even more opportunities than just formal teaching and tutoring
[06:44]	matey	everybody meets people looking for some kind of information / knowledge
[06:45]	matey	if you prepare yourself more for that, if you learn more about how to provide that
[06:45]	matey	thats the kind of teaching anyone can do-- just like with anything else, cooking, coding, whatever, its about practice and trying things out
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[06:46]	matey	society used to have a lot more of that, when teaching was less of a product and more of a way of life
[06:46]	matey	its not completely phased out, and anywhere you see d-i-y anything theres opportunities there
[06:46]	matey	its something the fsf really dropped the ball with too
[06:47]	matey	the fsf made good strides with books at least
[06:47]	matey	they made good strides with books. i think they could have done a lot more in terms of tutorials
[06:47]	matey	really not sure why they didnt
[06:47]	matey	some people grab a tutorial and they learn what they need to know
[06:48]	matey	other people pick up a tutorial, get either confused or overwhelmed (or its the wrong tutorial for their needs) and give up
[06:48]	matey	thats an opportunity for teaching
[06:48]	matey	but more people can do tutorials than books-- of course a lot of books are crap, a lot of tutorials are crap
[06:49]	matey	nothing you can do about that. make a better one
[06:49]	matey	but teaching is a lot like a live, interactive tutorial
[06:50]	matey	the more people do that, the smarter the world will be (maybe. i admit this one is a long shot)
[06:51]	matey	i mean, its good to write software, contribute to software, without this, teaching software is-- teaching what? without people writing software it doesnt exist
[06:51]	matey	teaching is one of the best opportunities to spread software and knowledge of software. thats why microsoft took over schools.
[06:51]	matey	free (subsidised) marketing
[06:53]	matey	i taught someone how to use gcc recently. admittedly its not something i know much about myself
[06:53]	matey	i prefer to teach what i know
[06:54]	matey	but it put them ahead just a little, because a little while later they were required to use it, and already had some familiarity and comfort with it
[06:54]	matey	so even little pushes liks that can make a bit of a difference
[06:54]	matey	and at the time i didnt even know what beast llvm was
[06:55]	matey	but even if ibm gcc shouldnt be ibm gcc
[06:55]	matey	just as openbsd is more forkable than gnu, i think its likely that ibm gcc is more forkable than microsoft llvm
[06:56]	matey	but we will see. maybe someone will make a less beastly llvm (i wouldnt know how, so i dont know if its possible or not)
[06:56]	matey	the bootstrap requirements for llvm are fucking nuts
[06:56]	matey	i cant even believe them
[06:57]	matey	gcc is nuts too, but it seems less so by an order of magnitude
[06:58]	matey	i like the idea of being able to compile an os with tinycc
[06:58]	matey	even though it probably makes way more sense to compile it with gcc
[06:59]	matey	the option seems worthwhile
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● May 01
[07:00]	matey	for example, you wont learn much about compiling from using a reproducible build, unless you go to all the trouble of creating one 
[07:00]	matey	im not knocking the idea itself
[07:00]	matey	with something like tinycc, if that were an option, you could learn how to compile an entire os. on a cheaper hardware.
[07:00]	matey	that sounds like a great option to me
[07:01]	matey	then, IF you ever decide to build an entire os using something like gcc, which is more optimised, youve already got the experience of building an entire os.
[07:02]	matey	and maybe people downplay the optimisation of tcc vs default gcc settings, i dont know about that
[07:02]	matey	imo, everyone should consider devoting SOME time to teaching if possible
[07:02]	matey	its great to have knowledge, to accumulate knowledge, to APPLY it
[07:03]	matey	and if you share the software you make, thats also helpful
[07:03]	matey	then if on top of that, you devote SOME time to teaching-- even a little
[07:03]	matey	thats REALLY good
[07:03]	matey	it doesnt always mean getting a job, sometimes it just means writing something or helping someone
[07:04]	matey	but its something on top of creating software or simply applying knowledge
[07:05]	matey	plus, people can use something like gnu/linux but ive met people who learned how to code, and still find the command line intimidating
[07:05]	matey	to me thats backwards
[07:05]	matey	the command line should be LESS intimidating than coding, because to being with, its just a way to run a program
[07:06]	matey	you type the name, theres even autocomplete, typing the name of the program runs the program.
[07:06]	matey	thats too fucking simple. anybody can understand that. nobody needs to be intimidated
[07:06]	matey	from there, maybe you show them a parameter or "switch" or "option"
[07:06]	matey	already this is incredibly valuable
[07:07]	matey	and oops, now theyre less intimidated by the command line
[07:07]	matey	but people get some distro that tells them YOU WONT NEED THE COMMAND LINE!
[07:07]	matey	and theyre like, thats a reasonable thing to want, i dont ever want to have to bother with th-- why?
[07:07]	matey	its not that bad
[07:08]	matey	but if no one ever shows them that, a lot of people wont know
[07:08]	matey	so you can actually undo some ignorance that way
[07:08]	matey	and thats a huge help
[07:08]	matey	replace more ignorant expectations with more reasonable (less self-defeating) expectations
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[07:09]	matey	and if youre good at it, or get good at it-- you can also help instill (a reasonable level of) confidence
[07:09]	matey	which is something that helps someone for a lifetime
[07:10]	matey	but its another area where even a little push in the right direction can make a huge difference
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[07:10]	matey	at one point, honestly, ubuntu and puppy were more like this
[07:11]	matey	eventually it becomes a big pissing match and the idiots take over, that happens
[07:11]	matey	so having a single community that does this isnt a good plan long-term
[07:11]	matey	rather than a single community, or one school, or something like codecademy
[07:12]	matey	which is always going to be a single point of failure
[07:13]	matey	its better to just increase the number of people in the world who have this as an interest, and maybe a habit
[07:13]	matey	then they will be everywhere
[07:13]	matey	single points of failure wont be an issue then
[07:13]	matey	its amazing the fsf didnt talk about this
[07:13]	matey	it would have made them twice as resilient
[07:14]	matey	im sure they touched on the topic slightly now and then
[07:14]	matey	its clearly not a big part of their mission
[07:14]	matey	they always expected other groups to take care of this
[07:14]	matey	ok, but they could have talked about it more.
[07:14]	matey	they never focused enough on teaching
[07:15]	matey	but they did create some books though, thats far better than nothing
[07:15]	matey	it didnt accomplish what it could have if theyd gone farther beyond that
[07:15]	matey	they let their enemies have that to themselves
[07:16]	matey	strategically missed opportunities
[07:16]	matey	sell the idea of free software to schools, theyre the experts on edu-- no theyre not
[07:16]	matey	lots of schools suck. its a broken system
[07:17]	matey	schools have been slaves to microsoft since the 90s if not sooner
[07:17]	matey	if not sooner only because apple was very keen on getting there first
[07:18]	matey	microsoft was for business, apple was for education. i hated apple, i had a better machine at home (and the commercials were condescending as fuck. they were shrewed and targeted idiots)
[07:18]	matey	great marketing. except it provided a lot of the ignorance along the lines of the self-defeating "IT JUST WORKS" expectations i mentioned the merit of undoing earlier
[07:19]	matey	it created terrible expectations. and later, microsoft would get wise to that, and do exactly the same
[07:19]	matey	making windows into windows for dummies
[07:19]	matey	then windows for computer repair shops :)
[07:19]	matey	but never windows for users
[07:20]	matey	apple started with bsd, but if you look at what they do to it, they built a metropolis of bullshit on top of it
[07:21]	matey	then they dug in and-- i mean if you go to single user mode, theres still infiltration of crapple bullshit underneath the gui
[07:21]	matey	it just seeps into the foundation
[07:21]	matey	but thats stuff they added, then they removed whatever was in its place-- a bit like the systemdification of gnu/linux
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[07:22]	matey	in a real bsd or even a reasonable gnu/linux systemd, you only need a simple dhcp tool like dhcpcd or dhclient (maybe) to get the thing onto the network (if its wired)
[07:23]	matey	i seem to recall it taking a lot more than that (several ridiculous steps) to get that in single user mode on a mac
[07:23]	matey	its not hard to look up and confirm this though, if im not mistaken
[07:24]	matey	since a mac is non-free, who cares, get a free system
[07:24]	matey	the only way that it matters is that industry sets bad examples, whether free or not
[07:25]	matey	and free software copies them later (systemd. gnome. mozilla)
[07:25]	matey	so the fact that non-free software has stupid designs, and people dont know more about alternatives, means later it will be easier for gnome or poettering or mozilla to saddle people with crap, even with a free license slapped on
[07:26]	matey	i mean in the golden years of free software, we actually talked about how shitty windows was
[07:26]	matey	and there was a point in doing that
[07:26]	matey	when open source taught us to not care about that, and stallman told us not to talk about it
[07:26]	matey	dont lets be beastly to microsoft
[07:27]	matey	we lost valuable teaching moments-- and all such teaching was slandered as hate, neckbeardism and even promoting non-free software
[07:27]	matey	strategic missed opportunities
[07:28]	matey	go and give a talk about this at lieplanet
[07:28]	matey	oh, good luck
[07:28]	matey	lieplanet bows to corporate control of the culture
[07:28]	matey	then it spends a lot of time pretending to be revolutionary
[07:28]	matey	theres words for that
[07:29]	matey	controlled opposition, doublespeak
[07:29]	matey	but sometimes they say good things!
[07:29]	matey	yeah, thats the whole fucking point of doublespeak
[07:30]	matey	like if you murder hundreds of thousands of people, then say youre liberating them.
[07:30]	matey	oh well, if it liberates them, i guess killing civilians is okay
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[07:30]	matey	oh, if they say some good things, i suppose surgically removing freedom from a movement entirely about freedom is ok
[07:31]	matey	its about the higher good blah blah blah ie corporate control. what? just go with it. (or else)
[07:31]	matey	#techrights : 05/01/22 06:10 <matey> at one point, honestly, ubuntu and puppy were more like this
[07:31]	matey	#techrights : 05/01/22 06:11 <matey> eventually it becomes a big pissing match and the idiots take over, that happens
[07:31]	matey	happened to lieplanet
[07:32]	matey	even if you see a good talk there
[07:32]	matey	its like a good teacher in a broken system
[07:32]	matey	an unbroken system would let a good teacher accomplish so much more
[07:32]	matey	instead they have to fight constantly, its wasted energy
[07:33]	matey	like writing a free installer for windows-- maybe it has merit
[07:33]	matey	but what would be better still is NOT USING WINDOWS
[07:33]	matey	a good teacher in a broken school system is probably a good thing
[07:33]	matey	but NOT having a broken system is even better
[07:33]	matey	a good talk at lieplanet may be a good thing
[07:33]	matey	but NOT having a bullshit corrupt organisation would be even better
[07:34]	matey	by an order of magnitude
[07:34]	matey	we should be trying to end windows
[07:35]	matey	and end broken systems
[07:35]	matey	and end corruption, not only trying to sneak good things into these things (sometimes the latter is worth doing of course)
[07:35]	matey	with teaching, you can sometimes do more outside the system
[07:36]	matey	with lieplanet, you can do WAY MORE outside the system
[07:36]	matey	lieplanet is a fucking gulag
[07:37]	matey	its amazing the amount of trouble they go to, for scraps
[07:37]	matey	people could be talking like that (even better) all yeaer
[07:37]	matey	 but free software has so little to say these days
[07:37]	matey	since it became open source
[07:38]	matey	1 part freedom, two parts bullshit, three parts self-defeating changes in strategy
[07:38]	matey	just keep the part about freedom and to hell with the rest of it
[07:39]	matey	keep the parts of gnu that serve freedom, and to hell with the rest of it
[07:39]	matey	good luck with that too
[07:39]	matey	there will be more free software, somewhere
[07:39]	matey	maybe this time they can get education right too
[07:39]	matey	instead of expecting schools to teach free software, when the purpose of schools isnt to make people free, but to make them into consumers and corporate serfs
[07:40]	matey	some teach free software, but more teach windows and mac.
[07:40]	matey	they teach whatsapp and gmail.
[07:40]	matey	they teach android and normalise mass surveillance.
[07:41]	matey	then we wonder why free software is failing. because strategically its gotten fucking stupid
[07:41]	matey	and you have to suck up to microsoft and liars and corrupt people all at once
[07:41]	matey	just keep the part about freedom and to hell with the rest of it
[07:42]	matey	you can expect people to do that, the only ones that matter are going to do exactly that
[07:42]	matey	the rest can go to hell
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[08:11]	mjg59_	matey: It's rewarding, but I find teaching stressful - there's a lot of fear about letting students down
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[08:17]	matey	there's a lot of fear about letting students down <- well, if it helps
[08:17]	matey	and this is going to sound like sarcasm, but its from the heart
[08:17]	matey	chances are, the worst thing youll ever do, youve already done
[08:17]	matey	so bright future?
[08:18]	matey	i mean, the futures up to you (sort of)
[08:18]	matey	sort of because, obviously no one has full control of destiny. but they have a lot of control over the choices they have
[08:19]	matey	when i was younger, i thought i could never work on (other peoples) computers
[08:20]	matey	because i couldnt bear the idea of giving back someone their machine and saying "im sorry, there wasnt anything i could do"
[08:20]	matey	i mean i was that sentimental and perfectionist about the idea
[08:20]	matey	i either had to get everything right! like some kind of world class surgeon
[08:20]	matey	or not bother
[08:21]	matey	to be fair, i was fresh out of my teens. but still i find it charming to think how naive that was
[08:21]	matey	all the best people fuck up, but my favourite version of this is
[08:22]	matey	"only a mediocre [person] is always at [their] best"
[08:22]	matey	the original version of the quote is fine, here i find the pronoun distracting
[08:23]	matey	it was originally man/his and this of course, applies to completely everyone
[08:23]	mjg59_	Yeah I already got an award for being one of the best teachers on the course
[08:24]	mjg59_	So I really should feel like it's ok now
[08:24]	matey	awards are distracting too
[08:24]	matey	i mean theres nothing wrong with them
[08:24]	mjg59_	But it's security and it's operating systems so it's a constantly evolving field
[08:24]	matey	im sure youll find theres never a better reward than hearing from a student that you helped in some way
[08:24]	mjg59_	And I don't want to end up teaching them shit that's 10 years out of date
[08:24]	matey	sometimes 10 years out of date is better
[08:25]	matey	sometimes something new is an improvement
[08:25]	mjg59_	Eh in this case not so much
[08:25]	mjg59_	I'm not teaching them about tools, more about what actually exists and what they need to worry about
[08:25]	matey	i mean, security updates still exist for a good reason.
[08:25]	matey	and what they need to worry about <- ah, well here theres another rule to consider
[08:25]	matey	one you already know
[08:26]	matey	what you need to worry about is a matter of your... what is it, threat model?
[08:26]	matey	i mean i have absolutely no security against flying zebras with lasers attached to their foreheads
[08:27]	matey	if someone sends flying zebras with lasers attached to their foreheads, lets face it, im fucked
[08:27]	matey	its simply something i have no preparation for
[08:28]	matey	the good news is that (touch wood) such an attack is VERY unlikely. some comfort there
[08:28]	matey	whether youre preparing them for an security compromise, or simply for the future
[08:28]	matey	it depends on the threat model, right?
[08:28]	mjg59_	It's more "Don't worry about these things unless you're in a weird place, it's a solved problem otherwise"
[08:28]	matey	yeah
[08:29]	matey	so you might be worried about (basically) nothing there
[08:29]	mjg59_	Like from an OS perspective, these days all your passwords are decently salted and you don't need to worry much about offline cracking
[08:29]	matey	the best thing you can teach them is how to fill the gaps in their own knowledge
[08:29]	mjg59_	That's a big part of it, but not all of it
[08:29]	matey	teach them how to self teach. but obviously this is glib advice without trying to give them the essentials
[08:30]	mjg59_	The other part is to recognise that their users are humans and their motivations are rational
[08:30]	matey	and you don't need to worry much about offline cracking <- thats cool, i didnt even know that
[08:30]	mjg59_	A security policy that prevents users from getting their work done ends up with people violating polocy
[08:30]	matey	yes!
[08:30]	mjg59_	Security needs to understand users, not just impose restrictions on them
[08:30]	matey	hence pledge (which takes this into account, whether or not its the greatest security feauture eveR)
[08:31]	mjg59_	Otherwise you end up in a less secure situation
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[08:31]	mjg59_	So yeah I try to teach them that as well
[08:31]	matey	yeah, i mean you can put a lock on a fridge if youre dieting
[08:31]	matey	but its sort of moot if you have the key, youre just going to open the lock and get in
[08:32]	mjg59_	Good analogy
[08:33]	mjg59_	So people end up doing stuff like sharing scripts that automate disk encryption unlock with a fixed password because they need their workstations to reboot after power cuts
[08:33]	matey	heh
[08:33]	mjg59_	Which means the encryption is pointless, but if you don't know that's happening then everything looks secure
[08:33]	matey	not to change the subject but what do you think of pledge incidentally? i bring it up because it works so well from THIS perspective (the one we are talking about) but other than that...
[08:33]	matey	ive heard its not bad
[08:34]	mjg59_	There's ways to solve this that retain security without breaking their ability to use their computers, but you'll never know you need to do that unless people tell you they're doing the less secure thing
[08:34]	mjg59_	pledge() is great if you control the entire OS stack
[08:34]	mjg59_	It could never work on Linux
[08:34]	matey	fair enough
[08:34]	mjg59_	Because it works on system calls, and applications make library calls
[08:34]	mjg59_	And updating a library might result in it making different system calls
[08:35]	matey	couldnt you... um...
[08:35]	matey	couldnt you still put pledge at the layer between the library and the kernel
[08:35]	matey	and then write the policy there
[08:35]	mjg59_	Kernel has no idea what library calls are being made
[08:35]	mjg59_	That's all in userland
[08:35]	matey	oh right
[08:36]	matey	now i get it
[08:36]	matey	maybe
[08:36]	matey	at least it makes sense
[08:36]	mjg59_	You could implement pledge() using the BPF LSM
[08:36]	matey	i think it would be harder to sell from a cultural standpoint
[08:36]	mjg59_	But glibc might get updated and use a different system call in response to the same library call
[08:36]	mjg59_	And then your existing policy might break
[08:37]	matey	and then people would still be like
[08:37]	matey	"why am i enabling something that makes things less stable"
[08:37]	matey	and for openbsd, people know why
[08:37]	matey	but for "linux" people are like "no, just make it work!"
[08:37]	matey	so it breaks less things than some strict policies
[08:37]	matey	but dammit it still breaks stuff
[08:38]	mjg59_	Having userland and kernel maintained by the same people gives some advantages
[08:38]	matey	theres less culture of "leave that on, it will save you later" in the "linux" workd
[08:38]	matey	 Having userland and kernel maintained by the same people gives some advantages <- yeah, i love that its even possible
[08:38]	mjg59_	So yeah pledge() isn't impossible in Linux from a technical perspective, but the social perspective just isn't going to work
[08:38]	matey	i figure thats probably true. you have to want such a thing first.
[08:39]	matey	see the merit in it
[08:39]	matey	otherwise its just "my browser crases a bit more often"
[08:39]	matey	"fix it"
[08:42]	mjg59_	Instead we have browsers imposing their own seccomp policies
[08:42]	mjg59_	Which encourages static linking, because otherwise a dependency might get updated and break that policy
[08:42]	mjg59_	There's no easy solution
[08:43]	matey	i mean, if browsers werent expected to do half of what an os does (by count, or by sheer size of codebase)
[08:43]	matey	maybe we could have more than basically two of them.
[08:44]	matey	and then implement a reasonable policy on ONE of them, and pretend the others dont exist.
[08:44]	matey	id love it if browsers were less complicated
[08:44]	matey	but the web has made that sort of hopeless
[08:45]	matey	we are far, far past the level of complexity i could ever want from any website
[08:45]	matey	there should be more tiers of feature than one
[08:46]	matey	like what wap did, for its own reasons
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[08:46]	matey	you should be able to say something like
[08:46]	matey	i only bother with tier 2 websites and smaller
[08:46]	matey	i never enable tier 1
[08:46]	matey	and then all the BULLSHIT that the web does now
[08:46]	mjg59_	Microsoft had some level of that in IE at one point
[08:46]	matey	put that in
[08:47]	matey	yeah, i was going to say
[08:47]	mjg59_	Like, "Don't enable ActiveX unless I trust this site"
[08:47]	matey	its funny, because ie actually sort of had this
[08:47]	matey	yeah but that was still a policy
[08:47]	matey	i mean built into the web standard itself
[08:47]	matey	because the standard is (imo) the real problem here
[08:47]	matey	whats great about having that in the standard is
[08:48]	matey	you could make a browser that didnt even IMPLEMENT the most bullshit tier
[08:48]	matey	it would only implement one lighter tier, or two
[08:48]	matey	but it would also be a sort of security feature
[08:48]	matey	alex limi of course, has a very different view
[08:48]	matey	being able to turn off js breaks the web!
[08:48]	matey	its bad for business! so he removed the turn off js checkbox.
[08:49]	matey	AND the turn off images checkbox. about:config should be good enough for anybody!
[08:49]	matey	thanks, alex.
[08:49]	matey	this happened more than a decade ago. people are like "wow, you know his NAME"
[08:49]	matey	yeah. because i hate him.
[08:49]	matey	granted ive probably only mentioned him twice in 5 years.
[08:50]	matey	also, if it were built into the standard
[08:50]	matey	you could have a more user-friendly version of something like umatrix
[08:50]	matey	i mean umatrix is awesome
[08:50]	matey	should be builtin to every browser 
[08:51]	matey	it crashes and you have to disable and reenable it :/
[08:51]	matey	or restart the browser, which is less convenient
[08:51]	matey	but you could have something like noscript for the tier
[08:51]	matey	per-website
[08:51]	matey	but again :) ie had that
[08:51]	matey	and i feel very silly advocating it for that reason
[08:52]	matey	but it would be better if it were in the standard
[08:52]	matey	never happen anyway
[08:52]	mjg59_	figuring out a good way to have a global policy that handles that sort of thing is hard
[08:52]	mjg59_	But also I'm going to go and fall asleep now
[08:52]	matey	agreed
[08:52]	matey	o/
[08:53]	mjg59_	But yeah your argument here is good
[08:53]	mjg59_	Reducing exposure would make a lot of things safer
[08:53]	matey	useless for most people unless you change the culture 
[08:53]	matey	but not useless for people who know better
[08:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 558.31
[08:59]	matey	i dont hate limi for removing the checkbox
[08:59]	matey	i hate him for writing this piece of utter bullshit to justify it https://limi.net/checkboxes
[08:59]	TR Bot	 Checkboxes that kill your product
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[09:00]	matey	the lie was the bigger crime
[09:00]	matey	similarly, im not mad at stallman for using no-derivs
[09:02]	matey	this part isnt what really pisses me off This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-No Derivative Works 3.0 license (or later version)
[09:02]	matey	THIS part is what really fucks me off Why this license? https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#OpinionLicenses
[09:02]	TR Bot	 Various Licenses and Comments about Them - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
[09:02]	matey	i stopped giving them money over that
[09:03]	matey	because thats how stupid and destrutive that dumb shit is
[09:03]	matey	just a huge, ignorant, double standard "fuck you" to free culture
[09:03]	matey	i guarantee, a lot of people who signed the damned letter did it because the fsf shit all over the free culture movement
[09:03]	matey	it still wasnt right
[09:03]	matey	but its to be expected
[09:04]	matey	the fsf made enemies there
[09:04]	matey	with their utter stupidity about the issue
[09:04]	matey	and they say oh, thats not what we do
[09:04]	matey	right, if thats not what you do, shut the fuck up then.
[09:05]	matey	if youre going to argue AGAINST free culture, based on nonsense, then thats part of your "advocacy" 
[09:05]	matey	its right on your website. this isnt some "bad tweet" off somewhere else on the web
[09:05]	matey	its something the fsf advocates
[09:05]	matey	but then they do the exact opposite elsewhere.
[09:05]	matey	because clearly, there is an internal struggle on the issue
[09:06]	matey	and this is something rms fucked up. badly.
[09:06]	matey	id say of his biggest mistakes, its one of the three.
[09:06]	matey	his position on hardware will probably eclipse it, if it hasnt already. 
[09:07]	matey	but i think thats probably going to matter more in the future
[09:07]	novelist	Linux is running on your lightbulbs!
[09:07]	matey	rofl
[09:07]	matey	oh, god
[09:08]	novelist	says Matthew Miller
[09:08]	matey	but rms is like i dont want to make lightbulbs
[09:08]	matey	then he goes and says, free software is important even if you dont code-- which is true
[09:08]	matey	for EXACTLY THE SAME REASON it doesnt fucking matter if you want to make lightbulbs or not
[09:08]	matey	i mean, theres really a parallel universe somewhere
[09:09]	matey	where the arguments he makes about software apply to other things too.
[09:09]	matey	but NOT THIS ONE! i guess?
[09:09]	matey	yes, i understand the difference between hardware and software, in practical terms
[09:09]	matey	like just copying hardware isnt nearly as trivial as copying software
[09:09]	novelist	https://www.techrepublic.com/article/linux-fedora-project-matthew-miller/
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[09:09]	TR Bot	future of Linux: Fedora project leader Matthew Miller weighs in | TechRepublic
[09:09]	matey	it costs a lot more to make ONE copy of hardware vs ONE copy of software
[09:10]	matey	but
[09:10]	matey	the differences are getting smaller, not larger
[09:10]	matey	and hes making a lot of differences that are getting smaller
[09:10]	matey	the difference between software and cultural works exists too-- from a copyright law standpoint theres a difference
[09:11]	matey	but he made too much of that too
[09:11]	matey	thats why hes at odds with free culture
[09:11]	matey	my lightbulbs are dumb, not smart
[09:11]	TR News	FuguIta 7.1, based on OpenBSD, is out http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164352 http://fuguita.org/
[09:11]	TR Bot	 FuguIta 7.1, based on OpenBSD, is out | Tux Machines
[09:11]	TR Bot	 FuguIta - Welcome
[09:12]	matey	but i might go for smarter bulbs if they were free hardware and
[09:12]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164349
[09:12]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[09:12]	TR News	myPalletizer 4 axis robot arm available in M5 Stack & Raspberry Pi 4 models Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164350
[09:12]	TR Bot	 myPalletizer 4 axis robot arm available in M5 Stack & Raspberry Pi 4 models | Tux Machines
[09:12]	matey	maybe this provided a setting that made them last 2x as long? hell yes
[09:12]	TR News	#HowTo Install Classic GNOME Flashback in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164351
[09:12]	TR Bot	 How to Install Classic GNOME Flashback in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines
[09:12]	TR News	FuguIta 7.1, based on OpenBSD, is out Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164352
[09:13]	matey	or maybe if lightbulbs were free hardware, you coudl REPAIR them
[09:13]	matey	instead of getting a bulb that has all that electronic shit plus the part that burns out faster
[09:13]	matey	(this is half true, sometimes the electronics go first)
[09:13]	matey	maybe you could get the part that burns out faster and replace it
[09:13]	matey	saving money and creating less ewaste
[09:14]	novelist	lightbulb networks
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[09:14]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Saturday, April 30, 2022 | Techrights
[09:14]	matey	i dont want a lot of features in my bulbs
[09:14]	matey	but thats just another reason free hardware matters.
[09:14]	matey	because if i need a phone (and id rather not)
[09:14]	matey	i want a phone with AS FEW FEATURES as possible
[09:14]	matey	not a smartphone
[09:15]	matey	and flipphones are really just fucking disappearing from the market now
[09:15]	matey	free hardware could do somethign about that.
[09:15]	matey	so people who are like-- you dont need all those features in a lightbulb
[09:15]	matey	theyre missing the point
[09:15]	matey	free hardware means you can have fewer features too, not just more
[09:15]	matey	free software used to mean that too :) but the fsf fucked that up as well
[09:16]	matey	they forgot to write freedom 4, the freedom to NOT run the software
[09:16]	matey	so eventually every application becomes a fucking operating system
[09:17]	matey	and every application becomes mandatory
[09:17]	matey	and the only way to have freedom is to say fuck it and start with a new os
[09:17]	matey	oops?
[09:17]	matey	i mean if some arsehole can just add several millions of line of code to something every year
[09:18]	matey	how the fuck does freedom 3 apply? theyre simulating proprietary software under a free license
[09:18]	matey	and theyre PROUD of it, they gloat
[09:18]	matey	gnome gloats that you have no choice
[09:18]	matey	fuck them
[09:18]	matey	these devs say linux isnt about choice!
[09:19]	matey	good, to hell with linux then
[09:19]	matey	throw it in a fire
[09:19]	matey	gnome can go too
[09:19]	matey	when devs start gloating that you have no choice, they need to go
[09:20]	novelist	you allways have a choice
[09:20]	matey	fsvo choice
[09:20]	matey	some devs really get off on reducing your choices
[09:20]	matey	on making people more depedent
[09:20]	matey	dependent
[09:20]	matey	thats nothing to do with freedom
[09:20]	matey	they need to go
[09:20]	matey	theyre not helping, theyre the problem
[09:21]	matey	theres no such thing as perfect modularity either-- but theres a reasonable level of it
[09:21]	matey	some people sabotage that
[09:21]	matey	they need to go
[09:21]	matey	these arent isolated incidents or innocent mistakes, theyre well known trends lasting years or more
[09:21]	matey	again, devs gloat about this
[09:22]	matey	the best thing they can do is stop writing software
[09:22]	matey	that would help a lot
[09:22]	novelist	ibm doesnt even makes computers anymore
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[09:23]	matey	hi barto
[09:23]	barto	greetings
[09:23]	cameron1	 Hi barto
[09:23]	schestowitz	hi barto
[09:24]	TR News	"Theres a pattern that emerged in software some time ago" https://davmac.wordpress.com/2022/04/30/forgetting-about-the-problem-of-memory/ | Source: Software Is Crap
[09:24]	TR Bot	 Forgetting about the problem of memory Software is Crap
[09:24]	TR News	"Someone asked me what the byte sequence is for an infinite loop in x86 machine code" https://blog.didierstevens.com/2022/04/30/quickpost-machine-code-infinite-loop/ | Source: Didier Stevens
[09:24]	TR Bot	 Quickpost: Machine Code Infinite Loop | Didier Stevens
[09:24]	TR News	"You want to run a query over multiple tables in your database / warehouse and then process and visualise" https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/04/iterating-over-multiple-database-tables-with-r/ | Source: Rlang
[09:24]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: r-bloggers.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/04/iterating-over-multiple-database-tables-with-r/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/04/iterating-over-multiple-database-tables-with-r/
[09:25]	TR Bot	over multiple database tables with R | R-bloggers
[09:26]	TR News	"About a decade ago, we wound up caught in a wiki trap" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/SupportSiteHTMLExperience | Source: uni Toronto
[09:26]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: utoronto.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/SupportSiteHTMLExperience https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/SupportSiteHTMLExperience
[09:26]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/web/SupportSiteHTMLExperience
[09:27]	matey	youre more likely to get something out of this channel if you say things
[09:28]	TR News	"How many opportunities do we let go when were passively using our phones?" https://afhub.dev/2022/04/29/disconnecting-is-becoming-increasingly-difficult/ |
[09:28]	TR Bot	 Disconnecting is becoming increasingly difficult
[09:28]	matey	lurking is acceptable, but not optimal
[09:28]	barto	i don't know what to say
[09:28]	matey	its a start
[09:28]	matey	you could say what brings you here
[09:29]	matey	i sort of know, someh4xor always says to come here
[09:29]	matey	there must be a reason
[09:29]	TR News	"CNN projected that the service would have two million subscribers by the end of the year" https://www.theverge.com/23043232/cnn-plus-axios-chat-shut-down-streaming-news | Source: The Verge
[09:29]	TR Bot	 This chart might explain why CNN Plus shut down early - The Verge
[09:29]	TR News	Fake privacy, like DDG as Microsoft proxy? "The data connection isnt unlimited, either." https://www.pcworld.com/article/696030/microsoft-tests-a-limited-vpn-for-microsoft-edge.html | Source: PC World
[09:29]	TR Bot	tests a limited VPN for Microsoft Edge | PCWorld
[09:29]	matey	if you dont know, you can guess
[09:29]	matey	sometimes guesses turn out to be right
[09:30]	matey	but take your time, this place is technically open 24/7
[09:30]	barto	i probably told SomeH4x0r that i like free software
[09:30]	barto	don't remember
[09:30]	matey	he says its a topic youre interested in 
[09:30]	barto	yup
[09:30]	TR News	Information & Data Protection Commissioner (IDPC) https://noyb.eu/en/political-data-breach-malta-c-planet-refuses-right-access-and-information | Source: NYOB
[09:30]	TR Bot	 Political data breach in Malta: C-Planet refuses right to access and information
[09:30]	matey	its a very interesting time for free software
[09:30]	TR News	"admitted a data breach potentially affecting 345,000 individuals" https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/data-breach-at-us-healthcare-provider-arcare-impacts-345-000-individuals | Source: Port Swigger
[09:30]	TR Bot	 Data breach at US healthcare provider ARcare impacts 345,000 individuals | The Daily Swig
[09:30]	matey	in the chinese curse sense
[09:31]	barto	how so?
[09:31]	matey	but its not going to stop being important, as long as there are computers running software
[09:31]	matey	well
[09:31]	matey	i mean at the moment, free software has mostly been taken over by its #1 enemy (and #2 and #3 as well)
[09:32]		*darwin (~darwin@7d3n498busjrn.irc) has joined #techrights
[09:32]	matey	so a lot of people are destroying it
[09:32]	matey	and some are fighting this
[09:32]	matey	and probably, a lot of the old things will fall
[09:32]	matey	and new ones will
[09:32]	darwin	my web browser just said the Tech Rights SSL certificate expired
[09:32]	matey	try using http instead of https
[09:33]	matey	and new ones will take their place
[09:33]	matey	some of the things that are dying now, its more than just sad
[09:33]	matey	it didnt have to be
[09:33]	matey	but here we are
[09:33]	matey	if you do write any free software
[09:34]	matey	dont put it on github. thats a great start.
[09:34]	barto	someone i know made a project on github and invited me to it because he needed HTML5 and CSS3 help
[09:34]	matey	thatll happen
[09:34]	matey	you can try to get him to move, chances are he wont listen
[09:35]	matey	but you never know unless you try
[09:35]	barto	that's true
[09:35]	barto	why's github so bad for free software though?
[09:35]	matey	its a monopoly controlled by one of free softwares largest enemies
[09:36]	barto	oh yeah
[09:36]	barto	microsoft
[09:36]	matey	as part of a goal to destroy free software theyved had for more than 20 years
[09:36]	matey	microsoft arent nice people
[09:36]	matey	theyre still as bad as before
[09:36]	matey	only now people trust them again
[09:36]	matey	i used to use github
[09:37]	matey	before it was microsoft
[09:37]	matey	there are loads of alternatives
[09:37]	matey	people should use one
[09:37]	barto	i've heard gitea is a good alternative
[09:37]	matey	yeah if you can use gitea use that
[09:38]	matey	i dont know who hosts gitea for free but
[09:38]	matey	if someone does, thats an option
[09:38]	matey	small projects can just be zipped up and put on a website too
[09:38]	matey	i mean, not everything needs a revision system
[09:38]	matey	but there are still options for people who want one
[09:39]	matey	just look up "github alternatives"
[09:39]	TR News	Actual is going Free software http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164353 https://actualbudget.com/open-source |
[09:39]	TR Bot	 Actual is going open-source | Tux Machines
[09:39]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[09:39]	matey	then pick one that suits you
[09:39]	matey	the bigger your project is, the more its worth researching before moving
[09:40]	matey	the smaller your project is, the easier it is to hop from one place to another until you have the right one
[09:40]	matey	but you can research options as much as you want to
[09:40]	matey	its not like there are hundreds. not really.
[09:40]	matey	more like 12
[09:41]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO: "The war in Ukraine has pushed the United States to expedite its investment in cybersecurity amid constant" https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/3470296-ukraine-war-speeds-up-us-cyber-agenda/ | Source: The Hill
[09:41]	TR Bot	 Ukraine war speeds up US cyber agenda | The Hill
[09:41]	TR News	"Among them are billionaire GOP donor Peter Thiel and former Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey" https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-musk-twitter-takeover-free-speech-banned-accounts-1345233/ | Source: Rolling Stone
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[09:41]	TR Bot	 Elon Musk 'Vehemently' Opposed Trump's Twitter Ban: Report - Rolling Stone
[09:42]	TR News	"Twitter as it exists now fills a particular spot in the social media ecosystem." https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-twitter-is-unlikely-to-become-the-digital-town-square-elon-musk-envisions/ | Source: ABC
[09:42]	TR Bot	Twitter Is Unlikely To Become The Digital Town Square Elon Musk Envisions | FiveThirtyEight
[09:42]	barto	the project i mentioned earlier is pretty small so i don't know why it even needs to be on github
[09:42]	matey	im sure it doesnt
[09:42]	TR News	Actual is going open-source Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164353
[09:42]	matey	a lot of people think, if i use github, more people will see my proejct
[09:42]	matey	its not like github is out to help people that way
[09:42]	matey	theyre out to control that process 
[09:43]	matey	its not a charity, its a monopoly that has all the problems of a monopoly
[09:43]	matey	even if it helps in the short term-- it will cost projects something important in the long run
[09:43]	matey	so by all means, if youre going to use github for publicity-- do it
[09:43]	matey	then move.
[09:44]	matey	id avoid them entirely. but if youre going to use it that way, do it and then move.
[09:45]	matey	in the short run they exaggerate the benefits. in the long run its a liability
[09:45]	matey	the whole thing is a lie
[09:45]	matey	the best thing about the internet is decentralising 
[09:45]	matey	things like github centralise
[09:46]	barto	yeah, that's true
[09:46]	matey	and the short term merits of centraliisation are obvious
[09:46]	matey	network effects
[09:46]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164354
[09:46]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[09:47]	matey	the more people there, the more worth there is
[09:47]	matey	but its a bubble
[09:47]	matey	they only talk about the positive of network effects
[09:47]	matey	you can find and talk to and have access to more people
[09:47]	matey	thats the positive stage of network effects
[09:47]	matey	then later it turns to shit
[09:47]	TR News	"That following has made it easier to afford increasingly aggressive and invasive cosmetic procedures" https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/followers-cheaper-lips-young-influencers-detail-allure-cosmetic-proced-rcna14463 | Source: NBC
[09:47]	TR Bot	 Influencers exchange cheap cosmetic surgery for promotion on Tik Tok, but at a cost
[09:48]	matey	really in the long run youre better off with smaller networks
[09:48]	TR News	"Friday nights political agreement on the Digital Services Act (DSA) is a good first step" https://edri.org/our-work/eu-negotiators-approve-good-dsa-but-more-work-is-needed-to-build-a-better-internet/ | Source: EDRI
[09:48]	TR Bot	 EU negotiators approve good DSA, but more work is needed to build a better internet - European Digital Rights (EDRi)
[09:48]	matey	giant networks should always be the secondary option, never the one that trust and reliance is put into
[09:49]	matey	the big networks should never be used as anything but a mirror
[09:49]	matey	twitter affects stocks
[09:49]	matey	thats too much power
[09:49]	TR News	Fraud celebrated? https://www.salon.com/2022/04/29/the-of-elon-musk-why-do-some-of-us-worship-billionaires/ | Source: Salon
[09:49]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: salon.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.salon.com/2022/04/29/the-of-elon-musk-why-do-some-of-us-worship-billionaires/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.salon.com/2022/04/29/the-of-elon-musk-why-do-some-of-us-worship-billionaires/
[09:49]	TR Bot	cult of Elon Musk: Why do some of us worship billionaires? | Salon.com
[09:50]	matey	facebook affects elections
[09:50]	TR News	"The Apple Store, located in Atlantas Cumberland Mall, is the first of the companys 272 retail locations" https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/29/23048296/apple-retail-store-union-atlanta-cumberland-mall-open-letter | Source: The Verge
[09:50]	TR Bot	 What Apple retail employees in Atlanta are fighting for - The Verge
[09:50]	matey	twitter and facebook shouldnt have that kind of power
[09:50]	matey	there are no safeties on that, no checks and balances
[09:50]	matey	when a network has that much power, and its users (frankly) dont
[09:50]	matey	that network needs to go, or the users need to take it over.
[09:51]	matey	with facebook and twitter, the users are not going to take it over.
[09:51]	matey	so it needs to go.
[09:51]	TR News	"U.S. resistance to celebrate International Labor Day also called International Workers' Day" https://text.npr.org/1095729592 | Source: NPR
[09:51]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://text.npr.org/1095729592 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://text.npr.org/1095729592
[09:51]	TR Bot	 What is May Day? For the most part, the opposite of capitalism
[09:51]	TR News	"Do you enjoy not having to work weekends? The 40-hour work week? Having sick days and paid time off?" https://www.freepressjournal.in/world/international-workers-day-on-may-1st-why-do-we-celebrate-this-occasion |
[09:51]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: freepressjournal.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.freepressjournal.in/world/international-workers-day-on-may-1st-why-do-we-celebrate-this-occasion https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.freepressjournal.in/world/international-workers-day-on-may-1st-why-do-we-celebrate-this-occasion
[09:51]	TR Bot	 International Worker's Day on May 1st: Why do we celebrate this occasion?
[09:51]	matey	github is even worse
[09:51]	barto	really?
[09:51]	matey	it controls something that exists SOLELY to get out of that level of control.
[09:51]	barto	thought that facebook and twitter are the worst
[09:51]	TR News	"Two of the most astute IP [sic] scholars I know also happen to be two of the best legal writers I know" https://capitalaspower.com/2022/04/duke-is-academias-meanest-trademark-bully/ |
[09:51]	matey	facebook and twitter are the worst for SOMETHING
[09:52]	TR Bot	 Duke is academia's meanest trademark bully Capital As Power
[09:52]	TR News	"In its 10-Q filing with the SEC, Amazon detailed the components of the MGM deal, which closed March 17." https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/amazon-mgm-content-library-value-1235254458/ | Source: Variety
[09:52]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: variety.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/amazon-mgm-content-library-value-1235254458/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/amazon-mgm-content-library-value-1235254458/
[09:52]	TR Bot	Values MGM Content Library at $3.4 Billion - Variety
[09:52]	matey	i mean theyre all the worst for something
[09:52]	matey	github is a software repo that destroys software.
[09:52]	matey	i suppose you can make similar arguments about twitter and facebook, sort of
[09:52]	matey	theres an acronym used here a lot
[09:52]	matey	gafam
[09:52]	matey	google amazon facebook apple microsoft
[09:53]	matey	i throw in ibm: giafam
[09:53]	matey	these are not our friends
[09:54]	matey	they take power away from users, they always have
[09:54]	barto	so like proprietary software
[09:54]	TR News	"The Entertainment Software Association, an industry group representing Activision, EA, Epic, Nintendo and other major gaming companies" https://torrentfreak.com/major-persistent-video-game-pirates-investigated-by-esa-220430/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[09:54]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/major-persistent-video-game-pirates-investigated-by-esa-220430/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://torrentfreak.com/major-persistent-video-game-pirates-investigated-by-esa-220430/
[09:54]	TR Bot	& Persistent Video Game Pirates Investigated by ESA * TorrentFreak
[09:54]	barto	it controls the users?
[09:54]	matey	these are the companies best known for using software to control users
[09:55]	matey	there are others
[09:55]	matey	these are the big ones
[09:55]	matey	its sort of a starting point
[09:55]	matey	i mean you cant built a gnu/linux system that is free of github
[09:55]	matey	its impossible
[09:56]	matey	you can build something else thats free of github
[09:56]	matey	a different os
[09:56]	barto	but doesn't linus have a linux repository there?
[09:56]	matey	thats really just a mirror i think
[09:56]	matey	linux is controlled by microsoft in a variety of ways
[09:56]	matey	like lots of people from microsoft on the board of the linux foundation
[09:56]	matey	and before they get on the board, they do it with money
[09:57]	matey	when software was mostly non-free, monopolies would just buy competitors
[09:57]	matey	then kill them off
[09:57]	matey	they still do that, even with free software... but its more complicated because people can (theoretically) fork
[09:57]	matey	oracle bought openoffice
[09:57]	matey	then the developers left openoffice and created libreoffice
[09:58]	matey	so thats an example of saving a doomed project by forking
[09:58]	matey	oracle bought everything at once-- then stopped making a freely licensed version
[09:58]	matey	this forced the hands of developers to use the most recent free version and fork from there
[09:58]	matey	but...
[09:59]	matey	if instead, a company buys a project slowly
[09:59]	matey	and then controls the team more and more
[09:59]	matey	then maybe a fork wont happen at all
[09:59]		*ziraffep (~ziraffep@xut3kp7tmzcx4.irc) has joined #techrights
[09:59]	matey	and they can kill the project entirely
[09:59]	matey	you can still fork the latest free version
[09:59]	matey	only now, the project is dead, and people have moved on
[09:59]	matey	i think thats going to kill libreoffice, in a way that openoffice couldnt be killed.
● May 01
[10:00]	matey	blame gnome and collabora when they finally do it.
[10:00]	matey	so to save free software, people have to know these tricks
[10:00]	matey	and then fight them.
[10:00]	TR News	Unions https://truthout.org/articles/sanders-warns-democrats-back-union-movement-now-or-face-defeat-this-fall/ | Source: TruthOut
[10:00]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/sanders-warns-democrats-back-union-movement-now-or-face-defeat-this-fall/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://truthout.org/articles/sanders-warns-democrats-back-union-movement-now-or-face-defeat-this-fall/
[10:00]	TR Bot	 Sanders Warns Democrats: Back Union Movement Now or Face Defeat This Fall
[10:00]	TR News	"Starbucks has this image of being a progressive company that takes care of its employees. But really that hasn't been the case" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/30/after-amazon-and-starbucks-union-wins-whats-next-reenergized-us-labor-movement | Source: Common Dreams
[10:00]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/30/after-amazon-and-starbucks-union-wins-whats-next-reenergized-us-labor-movement https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/30/after-amazon-and-starbucks-union-wins-whats-next-reenergized-us-labor-movement
[10:00]	TR Bot	 Opinion | After Amazon and Starbucks Union Wins, What's Next for the Reenergized US Labor Movement? | Aaron White
[10:01]	matey	theyll try to make happiness mandatory, and force people to agree to policies that give a rhetorical/marketing/propaganda (reality control) advantage to corporations
[10:01]	matey	so you fight those policies too
[10:01]	matey	same way you fight github
[10:01]	matey	if you have a project, dont enforce such policies
[10:01]	matey	if someone offers you money and is known for such policies, dont take the money
[10:02]	matey	if all else fails and your board of directors is infiltrated-- make sure your software is designed for being forked :)
[10:02]	matey	even the gnu project gets that wrong
[10:02]	matey	no one is going to fork gnu
[10:02]	matey	so it will be killed off.
[10:03]	matey	the fork is the last chance for a failed project to survive
[10:03]	matey	if your software isnt forkable, then no license can give freedom 3.
[10:04]	matey	plain english: dont make a bloated unforkable mess 
[10:04]	matey	dont make something like mozilla or systemd. or gnome.
[10:04]	matey	(or libreoffice)
[10:04]	barto	why's systemd so hated?
[10:04]	matey	libreoffice is a fork that im guessing will never be forked
[10:04]	matey	systemd tried to control people
[10:04]	matey	it tried to take over distros
[10:05]	matey	it even succeeded
[10:05]	matey	the culture of systemd isnt
[10:05]	matey	"you have choices, youre the boss of, owner of your own computer"
[10:05]	matey	its pure technical chauvinism
[10:05]	matey	"we know best, shut up and like it"
[10:05]	matey	"you have no choices. you dont even WANT choices"
[10:05]	TR News	"[Jeshua Lacock] from 3DTOPO owns a large-format CNC (4x8, or 1.22.4 m), that he strongly feels is lacking laser-cutting capabilities." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/30/giant-cnc-partners-with-powerful-laser-diode/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:05]	TR Bot	CNC Partners With Powerful Laser Diode | Hackaday
[10:06]	matey	"people dont care what their init system is"
[10:06]	TR News	Book censorship https://truthout.org/articles/childrens-book-authors-are-fighting-back-against-censorship-and-book-bans/ | Source: TruthOut
[10:06]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/childrens-book-authors-are-fighting-back-against-censorship-and-book-bans/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://truthout.org/articles/childrens-book-authors-are-fighting-back-against-censorship-and-book-bans/
[10:06]	TR Bot	 Childrens Book Authors Are Fighting Back Against Censorship and Book Bans
[10:06]	matey	gentoo cared what their init system is
[10:06]	matey	so systemd told them they would have no choice either
[10:06]	matey	this is sinister
[10:06]	matey	but at any rate
[10:06]	matey	if you control people to where they have no choice-- its hardly free software.
[10:07]	TR News	Online shooter games https://hackaday.com/2022/04/30/aimbot-does-it-in-hardware/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:07]	TR Bot	Does It In Hardware | Hackaday
[10:07]	matey	the point of free software is for users to control their computing
[10:07]	matey	not for a corporation like red hat (now ibm) to control users
[10:07]	matey	the freedom you get from the license of systemd, when applied to a project like systemd, is in theory only
[10:07]	matey	if you fix it, theyll just break it in a way that you have to keep depending on their version
[10:08]	matey	so forks are irrelevant
[10:08]	matey	microsoft did that with rtf decades ago
[10:08]	matey	systemd does it now.
[10:08]	barto	that's scummy
[10:08]	matey	to say the least
[10:08]	matey	and theyre proud of it
[10:08]	matey	devs like that need to go.
[10:09]	matey	the best thing they can do to help free software is stop writing software
[10:09]	TR News	May Day https://truthout.org/articles/on-may-day-lets-make-bold-demands-for-democracy-at-work-and-in-the-streets/ | Source: TruthOut
[10:09]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/on-may-day-lets-make-bold-demands-for-democracy-at-work-and-in-the-streets/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://truthout.org/articles/on-may-day-lets-make-bold-demands-for-democracy-at-work-and-in-the-streets/
[10:09]	TR Bot	 On May Day, Let's Make Bold Demands for Democracy at Work and in the Streets
[10:09]	matey	i wrote a script that remixed trisquel and debian to remove systemd as pid 1 / init
[10:09]	TR News	"project that tickled my nostalgia bone" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/30/new-tech-and-the-old-ways/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:09]	TR Bot	Tech And The Old Ways | Hackaday
[10:09]	matey	but systemd gets into a lot more than that
[10:09]	matey	thats just the first step
[10:09]	matey	devuans been fighting systemd for 7 years
[10:09]	matey	how is that possible?
[10:10]	matey	what is so insidious about systemd 
[10:10]	matey	that it takes the better part of a decade to remove it? and theyre still working on it
[10:10]	matey	thats insane
[10:10]	matey	i switched to bsd
[10:10]	TR News	"The origin story for many whod call themselves a member of the hacker community usually starts with taking things apart as a child" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/30/hacking-toy-rc-cars-with-the-hackrf-one/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:10]	TR Bot	Toy RC Cars With The HackRF One | Hackaday
[10:10]	matey	i fought REALLY REALLY hard to stay away from systemd on gnu/linux
[10:10]	matey	finally after years i just switched to bsd
[10:11]	matey	i shouldve done it sooner
[10:11]	barto	is bsd any good?
[10:11]	matey	depends on what youre looking for
[10:11]	TR News	"[GreatScott!] was bummed to see his greenhouse be empty and lifeless in winter." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/30/plant-growth-accelerated-tremendously-with-leds/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:11]	TR Bot	Growth Accelerated Tremendously With LEDs | Hackaday
[10:12]	matey	if youre looking for a long-term, stable, forkable os that has these things in ways gnu/linux is completely doomed
[10:12]	matey	then bsd is all you need.
[10:12]	matey	but thats a big if, right? 
[10:12]	matey	i mean, theres less software for bsd, somewhat less hardware support
[10:12]	matey	the advantage of trying bsd for a lot of people 
[10:12]	TR News	Proprietary Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164355
[10:12]	TR Bot	 Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
[10:12]	matey	is seeing what it can and cant do
[10:13]	matey	because if we just talk about it, people exaggerate what it WONT do
[10:13]	matey	but if you want the MOST software, the MOST compatibility
[10:13]	matey	and you dont care if it gets shittier and more hateful all the time
[10:13]	matey	then theres no reason to switch from linux, right
[10:13]	matey	but personally i wanted to stand up to this
[10:14]	matey	i didnt spend 10 years migrating to gnu/linux just to have it all controlled by microsoft (github) and ibm (systemd)
[10:14]	matey	i mean ibm and microsoft is what i was stuck with in the 1980s
[10:14]	matey	free software was my plan to get away from them!
[10:15]	matey	if my computing is controlled by those two companies anyway, free software doesnt do what i switched to it for.
[10:15]	matey	but the fight is still worthwhile
[10:16]	matey	its just-- the fsfs job is to fight this, and they dont anymore
[10:16]	barto	what if i use an alternative to systemd?
[10:16]	barto	like openRC
[10:16]	matey	if you use an alternative to systemd, thats good
[10:16]	matey	i used sysvinit
[10:16]	matey	i tried some openrc distros too
[10:16]	matey	openrc of course, is github :)
[10:16]	TR News	Review of ad??? "Id like to thank Ulenic for sending T10 for review. It can be purchased for $429 on Amazon" https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/01/ultenic-t10-review-a-self-emptying-2-in-1-smart-vacuum-robot-with-mopping-function/
[10:16]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/01/ultenic-t10-review-a-self-emptying-2-in-1-smart-vacuum-robot-with-mopping-function/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/01/ultenic-t10-review-a-self-emptying-2-in-1-smart-vacuum-robot-with-mopping-function/
[10:16]	TR Bot	 Ultenic T10 review - A self-emptying 2-in-1 smart vacuum robot with mopping function - CNX Software
[10:16]	barto	:-(
[10:16]	matey	yeah
[10:16]	matey	i mean things are bad
[10:16]	barto	what about runit
[10:16]	matey	i think runit is cool, let me check
[10:17]	matey	yep its cool http://smarden.org/runit/
[10:17]	TR Bot	 runit - a UNIX init scheme with service supervision
[10:17]	matey	but youll find lots of things rely on libsystemd (this isnt runits fault, its just the other places systemd gets into)
[10:18]	matey	and people say well, thats no big deal
[10:18]	matey	while yorue avoiding systemd you might consider fighting d-bus (ibm) too
[10:18]	TR News	Best Free and Open Source Software April 2022 Updates - LinuxLinks https://www.linuxlinks.com/best-free-open-source-software-april-2022-updates/ Source: LinuxLinks | GNU | Linux | FreeSW
[10:18]	TR Bot	Free and Open Source Software April 2022 Updates - LinuxLinks
[10:18]	matey	however, if you get tired of libsystemd
[10:18]	barto	i've never heard of d-bus
[10:18]	matey	i think you can switch to bsd and be rid of it
[10:19]	matey	devuan will keep... doing whatever they do
[10:19]	matey	i switched to devuan in 2015
[10:19]	matey	used it for a while, even made my own distro based on it
[10:19]	matey	gave up eventually
[10:19]	matey	but the way to fight all this is...
[10:20]	matey	replace stuff that sucks and is evil 
[10:20]	matey	with stuff that isnt
[10:20]	matey	and then share knowledge of how to do that
[10:20]	matey	so youre not the only person who knows
[10:20]	matey	the more people who know, the more likely it is to get done
[10:20]	barto	i wanna switch to a more free OS but i don't know anything about how gnu/linux or bsd works
[10:20]	matey	mayeb someday we can be github free
[10:20]	matey	 but i don't know anything about how gnu/linux or bsd works <- spent about 10 years learning
[10:20]	matey	but
[10:21]	matey	i had a LONG list of things i wanted solved BEFORE i switched
[10:21]	matey	you dont need to spend 10 years learning first (also at the time, things were less advanced)
[10:21]	matey	i started learning this stuff closer to 2000 than 2010
[10:21]	matey	some things are easier, even now.
[10:22]	matey	by 2007 things were pretty friendly
[10:22]	matey	still friendly in 2013
[10:22]	matey	systemd took over debian between 2014 and 2015
[10:22]	matey	my advice to literally everyone is
[10:22]	TR News	"And best of all: everyone who contributes to LibreOffice in the next four weeks can claim a cool sticker pack" https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/05/01/the-month-of-libreoffice-may-2022-starts-today-join-in-and-get-snazzy-merch/
[10:22]	TR Bot	 The Month of LibreOffice, May 2022 starts today Join in and get snazzy merch! - The Document Foundation Blog
[10:22]	matey	get a second computer, even if its 5-10 years old
[10:22]	matey	put something on it, and start trying it
[10:23]	matey	you can also dual boot, but for some things thats really not practical
[10:23]	barto	yeah
[10:23]	barto	i wouldn't dual boot
[10:23]	matey	dual booting has gotten harder to do
[10:23]	TR News	"Recent versions of Sailfish OS (currently 4.4.0.58) use a socket that listens on port 22, and start sshd (to be precise, a per-connection sshd@.service) when someone knocks." https://dt.iki.fi/sailfish-os-sshd
[10:23]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: iki.fi | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://dt.iki.fi/sailfish-os-sshd https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://dt.iki.fi/sailfish-os-sshd
[10:23]	TR Bot	sshd more secure on Sailfish OS | dt.iki.fi
[10:23]	matey	not accidentally either
[10:23]	TR News	Challenges of Creating a Decentralized, Open Source Twitter Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164356
[10:23]	TR Bot	 Challenges of Creating a Decentralized, Open Source Twitter | Tux Machines
[10:23]	matey	if all you wanted to do was try gnu/linux
[10:23]	matey	endless os can install itself on your windows machine
[10:24]	matey	but its a really shitty locked down distro
[10:24]	barto	i already "tried" gnu/linux
[10:24]	matey	uses flatpak to make gnu/linux more app-based, like android
[10:24]	matey	which distro?
[10:24]	barto	i tried mint and gentoo
[10:24]	barto	but on VMs
[10:24]	matey	gentoo is hard, i dont have the patience for it
[10:24]	barto	yeah
[10:24]	barto	it is
[10:24]	barto	but i wanna learn gentoo
[10:24]	matey	thats cool
[10:24]	barto	it looks like a great distro
[10:24]	matey	learn it
[10:25]	matey	it will make you more powerful
[10:25]	barto	i have a hard time understanding CFLAGS
[10:25]	matey	then you can use a large percentage of that knowledge anywhere
[10:25]	barto	for gentoo
[10:25]	matey	yeah i dont know cflags
[10:26]	barto	it's really hard
[10:26]	matey	ive compiled bash and python2 on openbsd
[10:26]	barto	and gentoo compiles everything from source
[10:26]	matey	before openbsd i would have never attempted such a thing
[10:26]	barto	so it might be time consuming
[10:26]	TR News	Sculpt OS release 22.04 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164357
[10:26]	TR Bot	 Sculpt OS release 22.04 | Tux Machines
[10:26]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164358
[10:26]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[10:27]	barto	talking about bsd
[10:27]	TR News	As we enter the month of May it becomes more apparent that Windows goes nowhere but down, even months after a new release/version http://techrights.org/2022/04/30/month-check-statcounter/
[10:27]	TR Bot	 Windows Has Never Been So Small | Techrights
[10:27]	barto	what do you think about the bsd license
[10:27]	barto	?
[10:27]	matey	its a complicated subject
[10:27]	matey	copyleft is better in theory, and maybe in practice
[10:28]	matey	there are lots of arguments to make for copyleft
[10:28]	matey	they dont apply to bsd, because bsd doesnt use them
[10:28]	matey	however
[10:28]	matey	you COULD fork openbsd and put it under gpl
[10:28]	matey	it would really piss off theo de raadt
[10:28]	matey	and some bsd people
[10:28]	matey	but you could do it
[10:29]	matey	my interest in openbsd comes from hyperbola
[10:29]	matey	the only bsd that could meet the requirements of the fsf
[10:30]	matey	i dont think we are ever going to have a really honest discussion of permissive vs copyleft because the camps have different ideas about it
[10:30]	matey	id like it to be treated like a science
[10:30]	matey	if copyleft REALLY makes people more free
[10:30]	matey	keeps them more free
[10:30]	matey	then its worth it
[10:30]	matey	either way, the fsf is going to keep using it
[10:30]	matey	even though linux is stuck at gpl2, they cant fix that
[10:30]	matey	while the openbsd kernel could be redone as gpl3
[10:31]	matey	and eventually, like bsd itself-- 
[10:31]	matey	it woudl change to the point where it bore little resemblance to the version they forked from
[10:31]	matey	and it woudlnt matter that some of the code is available under a permissive license
[10:31]	matey	but rms never recommends this
[10:31]	matey	and hes never made a mistake. ever.
[10:31]	matey	hes infallible.
[10:31]	matey	(but not really)
[10:32]	matey	like i said, its complicated!
[10:32]	matey	for now, if you use gnu its copylet
[10:32]	matey	if you use bsd, its permissive
[10:32]	matey	thats the way it is (for now)
[10:32]	matey	but thats not why i like bsd so much
[10:32]	matey	its forkable, freedom 3 isnt theoretical. its actually happened in practice
[10:32]	matey	people fork bsd.
[10:32]	matey	so we KNOW its forkable
[10:33]	matey	gnu and linux are forkable in theory
[10:33]	matey	i dont think it will happen though. and thats bad at this point.
[10:34]	matey	id rather have a permissive freedom 3 in reality than a copyleft freedom 3 in my imagination
[10:34]	matey	but i dont necessarily thing permissive vs copyleft is the only factor there
[10:34]	matey	bsd is designed well
[10:34]	matey	thats why its forkable
[10:34]	matey	gnu doesnt give a shit about that.
[10:34]	matey	it really doesnt
[10:35]	matey	a license along cant give freedom 3. the software has to be designed well enough that you can fork it.
[10:36]	matey	theyve been forking puppy linux for years now
[10:36]	matey	refactoring woofce
[10:37]	matey	as a result, many just moved to antix instead 
[10:38]	barto	antix?
[10:38]	matey	yeah, im not recommending it
[10:39]	matey	im just saying that if a project is too hard to fork
[10:39]	matey	people will instead work on something that is easier or more worthwhile
[10:39]	matey	puppy (the scripts that create it) is forked but
[10:39]	matey	theyve spent years refactoring
[10:39]	matey	and its taken so long that people have started moving on
[10:40]	matey	and antix is like puppy used to be, in many ways
[10:40]	matey	sadly both puppy and antix use github 
[10:40]	matey	i mean their developers keep the sources there and work on them there
[10:41]	matey	MOST of the systemd-free distros use github 
[10:41]	barto	that's really unfortunate
[10:41]	matey	tell me about it
[10:41]	matey	so when microsoft bought github, and my goals became twofold
[10:41]	matey	1. fight systemd 2. fight microsoft
[10:41]	matey	at that point it was inevitable that i would stop using gnu/linux
[10:42]	matey	but i spent years making sure there wasnt some other way
[10:42]	matey	if i was able to use gentoo, i might still be using it
[10:42]	matey	at some point i decided getting away from the linux kernel would nice too :)
[10:43]	matey	i was sure openbsd wasnt "ready" yet so i waited a bunch of years before just trying it
[10:43]	matey	i tried freebsd, then netbsd, since i thought openbsd would be the most important-- but also the hardest
[10:43]	matey	i saved it for last, when i had more bsd experience
[10:43]	matey	freebsd wouldnt install properly on one laop
[10:44]	matey	laptop-- netbsd didnt either
[10:44]	matey	so i tried openbsd on it. not only did it work, it was a lot friendlier than i expected
[10:44]	matey	there are definitely drawbacks. just not nearly as many as i expected.
[10:44]	matey	i went in with low expectations
[10:45]	matey	im a gnu/linux refugee. i expected squalor. 
[10:45]	matey	gentoo is probably harder to use :)
[10:45]	barto	probably
[10:45]	matey	but thats good
[10:45]	matey	you get good at gentoo, youll be powerful
[10:46]	matey	i know its not difficult only for bullshit reasons
[10:46]	matey	plus if lennart hates it, it cant be ALL bad 
[10:46]	barto	lennart?
[10:46]	matey	he wrote systemd
[10:46]	barto	oh
[10:46]	matey	lennaret poettering
[10:46]	barto	another question
[10:46]	barto	who's novell
[10:46]	matey	lennart
[10:47]	matey	novell was a big company
[10:47]	matey	they got bought, mostly by oracle i think
[10:47]	matey	wikipedia has details
[10:47]	matey	they did a lot of business with microsoft before getting sold and split up 
[10:47]	matey	but i think oracle got most of it
[10:48]	matey	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/novell
[10:48]	TR Bot	 Novell - Wikipedia
[10:49]	barto	looking over it right now
[10:49]	matey	techrights was called boycottnovell in 2008
[10:49]	matey	which im sure is why youre asking
[10:49]	matey	actually 2006, the irc starts in 2008
[10:49]	barto	i'm asking because of the channel in the IRC
[10:49]	barto	#boycottnovel
[10:49]	barto	novell*
[10:49]	matey	yeah
[10:50]	matey	techrights used to be called boycottnovell
[10:50]	barto	good to know
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[10:50]	matey	the channel is sort of repurposed now
[10:50]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164360
[10:50]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[10:50]	matey	its not the actual topic
[10:51]	matey	these irc channels used to be on freenode
[10:51]	matey	before that went insane a year or so ago
[10:51]	matey	maybe less
[10:51]	matey	so i guess it was already registered... and the name stuck
[10:51]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D218.jpg
[10:52]	matey	its real purpose now, as a channel
[10:52]	matey	is that its not "here"
[10:52]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D575.jpg
[10:52]	matey	its "there"
[10:52]	matey	so other stuff gets posted/said/discussed there
[10:52]	TR News	Musings on processing malformed Gemini (and web) requests gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/04/30.1
[10:53]	matey	technically its just as public, but people pay it less attention
[10:53]	TR News	Free Speech "I hestiated to even write this, but it needs said. I did tone it down just a bit, in the interest of legitimate dialogue." gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-04-30-free-speech.gmi
[10:54]	barto	i see
[10:54]	TR News	"It's interviews with tilde-verse people, mixed with short segments about science trivia, readings, and whatever. It's entertaining, and it's well produced too. I only listened to like one and a half of them so far, but I know I'll get back to it, because it's good." gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/joneworlds/tildewhirl.gmi
[10:55]	TR News	"I like working with microcontrollers and other small systems. They provide constraints and constraints make all creative endeavors better. They define the space that can be filled so you can find solutions to filling it." gemini://going-flying.com/~mernisse/28.gmi
[10:55]	matey	they actually made an episode or more of #techbytes in the past year or so
[10:55]	matey	so the topic of #techbytes is still techbytes
[10:55]	matey	the techrights podcast
[10:55]	matey	but i think its mostly used as a pastebin.
[10:55]	matey	and another side-channel for discussing... whatever
[10:56]	TR News	Video Games and FOSS gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/game_licences.gmi
[10:56]	matey	both are used as pastebins sometimes
[10:56]	barto	oh
[10:56]	barto	techrights has a podcast?
[10:56]	matey	sometimes
[10:56]	TR News	Returning to Games after a Decade gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/game_return.gmi
[10:56]	matey	it was inactive for years
[10:56]	matey	then last year they did some new ones
[10:57]	matey	i dont know whether they still do or not
[10:57]	matey	for all i know they might do a new one every month or couple weeks
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[10:58]	barto	i'll look into it later
[10:58]	barto	also have you read the gng thing i sent a couple of days ago?
[10:59]	matey	some of it
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[10:59]	matey	i mean, im all for critcising the fsf
[10:59]	matey	but i think most of the criticism there is typical open source bs
[10:59]	matey	id rather deal with individual topics than a big mountain of crap that might have a point somewhere
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[11:00]	matey	the website looks like a big mountain of crap to me
[11:00]	matey	but it might have a point somewhere
[11:00]	barto	true
[11:00]	matey	i have a low opinion of the fsf
[11:00]	matey	they sold out
[11:00]	matey	but open source sold out 20 years earlier
[11:01]	matey	and the biggest problem the fsf has, is letting open source in
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[11:01]	matey	so open source isnt likely to impress me with THEIR critiques, which ive already been familiar with for 20 years
[11:01]	matey	a lot of which are bs
[11:01]	matey	if i want open source bs i can get that from the fsf now :)
[11:02]	barto	so is it worth supporting the FSF anymore?
[11:02]	matey	i mean i dont think fraud should be rewarded with money
[11:02]	matey	and i think the fsf is a fraud now
[11:02]	matey	but that doesnt mean open source is LESS of a fraud
[11:02]	matey	its the same scam that it always was
[11:02]	matey	so i dont recommend supporting the fsf
[11:03]	matey	when has throwing money at corruption ever made it better?
[11:03]	matey	support alternatives
[11:03]	matey	(but not open source)
[11:03]	barto	are there even alternatives to FSF?
[11:03]	matey	it was a lot simpler when the fsf wasnt corrupt
[11:03]	matey	sort of?
[11:03]	matey	just one example, leah rowe is working on a federation for free software
[11:04]	matey	i think there will be more examples
[11:04]	matey	the nice thing about a federation is its a way for those examples to work together sometimes
[11:04]	matey	without all being assimilated or having to agree on everything
[11:04]	matey	i think SOME things are very important to agree on
[11:04]	matey	but some disagreements we can have without abandoning the common goal
[11:04]	matey	federation helps with that
[11:05]	matey	federation is also going to take a while to establish
[11:05]	matey	so far, its taken 5 years. but i dont know if leahs been working on it that long.
[11:06]	matey	these are starting points
[11:06]	matey	when there are real options, youll see them coming from starting points like these
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[11:06]	matey	give money to projects
[11:06]	matey	the orgs mostly suck
[11:06]	matey	of course, some projects will need an org
[11:06]	matey	like openbsd has an org so they can take donatiosn
[11:07]	matey	thats okay
[11:07]	matey	others use sfc
[11:07]	matey	i would never support sfc
[11:07]	matey	if youre going to give money to sfc or the fsf, just give it to the fsf
[11:07]	matey	fuck kuhn
[11:07]	matey	i hope he kills himself
[11:08]	barto	sfc?
[11:08]	matey	software freedom conservancy
[11:09]	barto	what did kuhn do?
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[11:10]	TR Bot	 Dont Become or Remain a Slave of Elon Musk (Social Control Media is Still a Bubble) | Techrights
[11:10]	matey	helped lead a coup against the fsf
[11:11]	matey	https://sfconservancy.org/news/2019/sep/16/rms-does-not-speak-for-us/
[11:11]	TR Bot	 Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement - Software Freedom Conservancy
[11:11]	matey	this didnt happen out of nowhere
[11:11]	barto	didn't he get a fsf free software award?
[11:11]	matey	yes!
[11:11]	matey	the fsf awards are batshit
[11:11]	matey	some good people got them too though
[11:11]	matey	i think lawrence lessig is one of the greatest people on earth
[11:12]	matey	he got one... years ago
[11:12]	matey	awards are... you really cant count on them
[11:12]	matey	they tried to give henry kissenger a nobel PEACE PRIZE
[11:12]	matey	he refused
[11:13]	matey	i mean its ridiculous
[11:13]	matey	at least kissenger understood how ridiculous that would be
[11:13]	matey	but war criminals get peace prizes, its a thing
[11:14]	matey	kuhn got a free software award
[11:14]	matey	its a farce
[11:16]	matey	i wonder if theres a field that extends around it 
[11:16]	matey	like if reality itself actually bends around that thing, or what
[11:16]	matey	thats what bullshit ultimately does
[11:16]	matey	it bends reality
[11:17]	matey	sometimes it breaks things
[11:18]	matey	it also warps the people that use it
[11:18]	matey	like a spell that turns on the person who casts it
[11:20]	matey	a little bullshit is like sugar, people eat it and usually dont die
[11:20]	matey	but make a lifestyle out of it and youll be a fat idiot in his 40s that looks like penfold from dangermouse
[11:20]	matey	maybe thats too specific
[11:20]	barto	lol
[11:20]	matey	he does look like penfold though
[11:20]	matey	i only presume hes in his 40s
[11:21]	barto	looks close enough
[11:23]	matey	ricky gervais said that ross kemp looks like zippy from rainbow :)
[11:24]	barto	never heard of rainbow
[11:25]	barto	also
[11:25]	barto	openRC < runit ?
[11:25]	matey	i mean
[11:25]	matey	if your goal is to avoid github? definitely
[11:25]	matey	should that be a goal? hopefully
[11:26]	matey	but thats the criteria that makes runit the better one
[11:26]	matey	there may be other criteria that do the same
[11:26]	matey	openrc is github, rc.d (openbsd) is not
[11:26]	barto	gentoo does have runit repositories but it's not fully supported
[11:27]	matey	oh yeah, i mean
[11:27]	matey	thats the thing
[11:27]	matey	you can have no init at all.
[11:27]	matey	but then things that need the init... youll have to do something else with those
[11:28]	matey	you cant fix everything at the same time
[11:28]	matey	so if init is too much trouble, use the default and fix it when you can
[11:29]	matey	but systemd is worth fighting
[11:29]	matey	if youre using anything else... its a start.
[11:29]	matey	i wihs more people knew how much stuff is on github
[11:29]	matey	because if your init isnt, then 100 other things are.
[11:30]	matey	its still worth fighting, but itll be years before we can be free of that shit
[11:30]	matey	its impossible to make every bug your highest priority
[11:30]	matey	you can triage
[11:31]	matey	i got tired of the linux kernel
[11:31]	matey	i found a way out of that
[11:31]	matey	at the same time i found my way out of systemd
[11:31]	matey	openbsd is (like many things) compiled with llvm
[11:31]	matey	guess where llvm is developed!
[11:32]	matey	did i recompile everything with gcc? nope
[11:32]	matey	would it be cool if someone did? yep
[11:32]	matey	would it still be ibm instead of microsoft?
[11:32]	matey	yes. weve got a long fucking way to go.
[11:33]	matey	microsoft and ibm have set free software back a decade or two
[11:33]	matey	thanks, arseholes
[11:34]	barto	:-(
[11:34]	matey	eh
[11:34]	matey	when people figure out how bad it is
[11:34]	matey	theyll fight harder
[11:35]	matey	but the movement needs a reboot
[11:35]	matey	too much apathy
[11:35]	activelow	the entire industry, wasted two decades
[11:35]	matey	activelow is fighting c++ :)
[11:36]	matey	i think if nothing else, it sets a good example (im not fighting c++ yet)
[11:36]	barto	why fight c++?
[11:36]	matey	(i think, better c++ than rust)
[11:36]	activelow	if there was a fast and efficient c++ compiler
[11:36]	matey	youd have to ask him
[11:36]	activelow	same with rust
[11:36]	matey	but i know part of it is that gcc requires c++ to compile c :)
[11:37]	matey	and he thinks thats perverse
[11:37]	matey	which it might be
[11:37]	activelow	i consider rust merely yet another language frontend of the compiler
[11:37]	matey	but its not
[11:37]	activelow	wrong
[11:37]	matey	rust is a pretend programming language
[11:37]	matey	which is so unstable that its basically cloud-based
[11:38]	matey	c++ is not like that
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[11:38]	matey	i would like to know how important boost is though
[11:39]	matey	to the c++ ecosystem
[11:40]	activelow	major products rely on boost, such as LibreOffice, QT4/5
[11:40]	matey	there you go
[11:40]	matey	so boost of course, is github based 
[11:40]	matey	but so is libreoffice
[11:40]	matey	and qt is self-hosted
[11:40]	matey	but at least it needs libffi, libpng and boost
[11:41]	matey	all of which are github deps
[11:43]	matey	http://techrights.org/wiki/Ted_MacReilly_Handbook_Revisited:_Chapter_8
[11:43]	TR Bot	 Ted MacReilly Handbook Revisited: Chapter 8 - Techrights
[11:43]	matey	 "The plan has never actually changed, but our way of framing it has changed entirely. We de-commoditize protocols. We add features we want and deprecate ones that people rely on, and we tell them to get with the program. We create the same kind of lock-in (in practice) by decreasing the compatibility with trusted development tools and utilities, so we can move more quickly (and drag users along) from one industry fad to another."
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[11:43]	TR Bot	 From Belarus With Love Part IX: The End of Peaceful Coexistence? | Techrights
[11:47]	SomeH4x0r	hi
[11:47]	cameron1	 wassup SomeH4x0r
[11:47]	barto	greetings
[11:47]	matey	o/
[11:47]	SomeH4x0r	matey: on Qt: iirc they at some point closed stuff behiind a paywall
[11:48]	SomeH4x0r	no idea if just binaries or source code as well
[11:48]	matey	lol
[11:48]	matey	well the sooner qt dies the better
[11:48]	matey	maybe IT will get forked
[11:48]	matey	either way i dont recommend kde to anyone
[11:48]	matey	but qt is more than just kde
[11:52]	SomeH4x0r	barto: btw, Uplink is written in C++ and no idea if it would work on OpenBSD. Perhaps it will if there is some compatibility thing.
[11:52]	matey	activelow is the one at war with c++
[11:53]	matey	i still think its better than rust
[11:53]	SomeH4x0r	deathcamel57 disappeared at some point, and then he came back for a day saying he is busy with other stuff
[11:53]	matey	though id love to be read of boost :)
[11:53]	matey	rid of
[11:53]	SomeH4x0r	no idea if he will continue working on Uplink
[11:53]	activelow	matey: i am not at war with c++, i retreated from it
[11:53]	matey	thats a fair distinction
[11:54]	matey	but its also a quibble
[11:55]	matey	/me has seen enough of uplink to think you could do similar with pygame and enough interest in creating a similar game
[11:56]	activelow	any version later than gtk-2.6 (year 2005) is not acceptable; couldn't confirm yet if a re-integration of the older version is possible
[11:56]	matey	gtk-2.6 makes unicode optional or something?
[11:57]	activelow	the dependency graph of GTK2/3 are chaotic
[11:57]	activelow	for gtk-2.6 an older pango version suffices, without harfbuzz
[11:57]	matey	i criticise some of activelows decisions
[11:58]	activelow	not sure how this affects unicode; although unicode font rendering does not require harfbuzz
[11:58]	matey	but his research sets a very useful example, whether you agree with each individual decision or not
[11:58]	matey	hes also using gentoo to do all this
[11:59]	activelow	ideally i could ditch gentoo tooling, or make it optional... because i do not appreciate the heavy python dependencies of their portage build system
[11:59]	activelow	nonetheless, the dependency tracking with gentoo is superb
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[12:00]	matey	i do not appreciate the heavy python dependencies <- yeah thats rough
[12:00]	activelow	yet, it would be preferrable, if a system could be maintained without it, with a clean and simple dependency graph of components
[12:00]	activelow	matey: python is ok; i am sceptical it is attached to the build system
[12:00]	matey	/me wishes there was a very lightweight fork of python... with python2 strings
[12:01]	matey	python is ok <- python 3 isnt even a language
[12:01]	matey	its another webapi
[12:01]	activelow	i want to remove python from the build-time dependencies, not run-time
[12:02]	activelow	in comparison, i want to remove c++ as both build-time dependency _and_ from runtime
[12:02]	activelow	c++ is far worse, btw., in conjunction with python/swig, which is written in c++, and python/swig is required to compile u-boot loader <- ouch.
[12:04]	matey	Freedom 3: The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements (and modified versions in general) to the public, so that the whole community benefits.
[12:04]	matey	how anyone is supposed to modify any of this
[12:05]	matey	when its all becoming a giant ball of interdependent nonsense
[12:06]	matey	its funny, because the entire ecosystemd has basically turned into the fucking european union
[12:07]	matey	/me cant even say ecosystem without adding d ffs
[12:08]	matey	if the gpl is viral, github is a bioweapon
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[12:12]	activelow	GPL without guarding standards is dangerous
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[13:13]	TR News	DRM in action https://gamerant.com/playstation-classic-games-not-working-ps3-ps-vita/
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[13:13]	TR Bot	 Fans Claim PlayStation Classic Titles Are Now Unplayable
[13:13]	TR News	DRM means that people with unauthorised copies get better value and better experience than those who pay https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/ps3-and-ps-vita-virtual-games-experiencing-unplayable-expired-error-3201648
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[13:13]	TR Bot	 PS3 and PS Vita virtual games experiencing unplayable "expired" error
[13:14]	TR News	Microsoft Windows kills https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-exchange-servers-hacked-to-deploy-hive-ransomware/
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[13:14]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Exchange servers hacked to deploy Hive ransomware
[13:16]	TR News	This is very good because it'll teach people to avoid DRM like the plague. Even some companies will avoid it. https://knowtechie.com/some-video-games-are-suddenly-expiring-on-ps3-and-vita-consoles/
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[13:16]	TR Bot	 Some video games are suddenly expiring on PS3 and Vita consoles
[13:17]	TR News	Hands-On with Arch Linuxs New Menu-Based Installer Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164361
[13:17]	TR Bot	 Hands-On with Arch Linuxs New Menu-Based Installer | Tux Machines
[13:20]	TR News	Graft. Taking from taxpayers to subsidise (at a COLOSSAL loss) companies that in turn oppress the taxpayers. https://swarajyamag.com/analysis/the-role-of-state-funded-agency-darpa-in-growth-of-us-semiconductor-industry-and-lessons-for-india bankrupting a nation...
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[13:20]	TR Bot	 The Role Of State-Funded Agency DARPA In Growth Of U.S Semiconductor Industry And Lessons For India
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[13:34]	TR News	"Debian Escobar was missing for a long time, her parents found her everywhere, but she could not be found anywhere." Debian??? https://getindianews.com/debanhi-escobar-found-dead/
[13:34]	TR Bot	 Who Was DEBANHI ESCOBAR And What Was His Cause Of Death? Woman Found Dead In Mexico
[13:36]	TR News	What is "Debian Perl"? "Katie Longua is a self-published comic artist and co-creator of Debian Perl" https://www.crunchyroll.com/en-gb/anime-news/2022/04/25-1/exclusive-unico-awakening-kickstarter-reveals-special-reward-prints-from-renowned-artists
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[13:36]	TR Bot	- EXCLUSIVE: UNICO: AWAKENING Kickstarter Reveals Special Reward Prints from Renowned Artists
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[13:48]	TR News	Maven, Gradle And More: #HowTo Choose Between Package Managers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164362
[13:48]	TR Bot	 Maven, Gradle And More: How To Choose Between Package Managers | Tux Machines
[13:50]	TR News	Debian, I lend you my voice https://www.bolnews.com/international/2022/04/students-death-stokes-anger-over-mexican-femicide-crisis/
[13:50]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: bolnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bolnews.com/international/2022/04/students-death-stokes-anger-over-mexican-femicide-crisis/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.bolnews.com/international/2022/04/students-death-stokes-anger-over-mexican-femicide-crisis/
[13:50]	TR Bot	 Student's death stokes anger over Mexican femicide crisis
[13:53]	TR News	LOL! Enjoy. https://voonze.com/up-to-40-minutes-to-boot-windows-11/
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[13:53]	TR Bot	 Up to 40 minutes to boot Windows 11? - How smart Technology changing lives
[13:57]	TR News	But why does EFF never promote GNU/Linux? https://www.eff.org/event/eff-scale-19x
[13:57]	TR Bot	 EFF at SCaLE 19x | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[13:59]	TR News	As if Obama himself spoke truth to his people. Arrogance and Hubris. Heck, he was stonewalling for the Saudi regime, obstructing families of 9/11 casualties. https://www.rappler.com/technology/features/full-text-barack-obama-digital-disinformation-challenges-democracy/
[13:59]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: rappler.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rappler.com/technology/features/full-text-barack-obama-digital-disinformation-challenges-democracy/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.rappler.com/technology/features/full-text-barack-obama-digital-disinformation-challenges-democracy/
[13:59]	TR Bot	 FULL TEXT: Barack Obama on digital disinformation and its challenges to democracy
● May 01
[14:00]	TR News	Samsung spam or puff piece? Government does PR for private sector: "Sponsored by the Ministry of Employment and Labor, SSAFY is a corporate social responsibility program launched by Samsung to expand the domestic" https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/327896.html?gosh
[14:00]	TR Bot	 Samsung continues to foster homegrown software developers - The Korea Times
[14:00]	TR News	Top 10 Websites to Learn Python for Free in 2022 https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-websites-to-learn-python-for-free-in-2022/
[14:00]	TR Bot	 Top 10 Websites to Learn Python for Free in 2022
[14:02]	TR News	There has never been a better time to leave behind the medium which even in its lesser-centralised forms wastes time and impacts what people read and write (not for the better) http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/social-control-media-implosion/
[14:02]	TR Bot	 Dont Become or Remain a Slave of Elon Musk (Social Control Media is Still a Bubble) | Techrights
[14:02]	TR News	We continue to explore the affairs of the Belarusian science park in Minsk, where EPO President Benot Battistelli sent parts of the EPO (while Antnio Campinos pretends that the EPO is cutting relations with Belarus) http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/htp-peaceful-coexistence/
[14:02]	TR Bot	 From Belarus With Love Part IX: The End of Peaceful Coexistence? | Techrights
[14:02]	TR News	As revealed days ago, Antnio Campinos ought not be known for manners (the quotes above are from him, the EPOs President who wants his term extended so he can carry on defacing the EPO's site with lies and incitement to break the law) http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/antonio-f-campinos/
[14:04]	TR News	Gemini as an excuse to make toys again gemini://going-flying.com/~mernisse/18.gmi
[14:04]	TR News	"I had Kubuntu 21.10 installed with snaps disabled. Decided to run an update to Kubuntu 22.04. I'm on "normal" track, so this is for non-LTS version." gemini://akselmo.dev/posts/blog-2022-05-01-Fixing-DNS-issues-in-Kubuntu-22.04.gmi
[14:14]	TR News	Digital Restrictions (DRM) https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/24/cnn-plus-what-went-wrong-why-it-was-canceled.html
[14:14]	TR Bot	 CNN+: What went wrong and why it was canceled
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[14:15]	TR News	Example of webspam in 'article' clothing, spiced up with buzzwords https://www.analyticsinsight.net/improve-your-business-growth-with-these-top-big-data-companies/
[14:15]	TR Bot	 Improve Your Business Growth with These Top Big Data Companies
[14:16]	TR News	Thoughts and prayers https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/former-bremerton-football-coach-who-lost-job-postgame-prayers-takes-case-supreme-court/V7TBOKHOPNAVVMW4HNX32OU5FA/
[14:16]	TR Bot	 Former Bremerton football coach who lost job for postgame prayers takes case to Supreme Court KIRO 7 News Seattle
[14:18]	TR News	ICBM Red Hat speaks of "clown" and malarkey. Companies do this when they lack technical edge, so executives overcompensate with shallow marketing. https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/04/b26785764/red-hat-expands-capabilities-to-provide-streamlined-application-development-and-delivery-in-the-cl
[14:18]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: benzinga.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/04/b26785764/red-hat-expands-capabilities-to-provide-streamlined-application-development-and-delivery-in-the-cl https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/04/b26785764/red-hat-expands-capabilities-to-provide-streamlined-application-development-and-delivery-in-the-cl
[14:18]	TR Bot	Hat Expands Capabilities to Provide Streamlined Application Development and Delivery in the Cloud - Benzinga
[14:20]	TR News	A 4-year degree isnt the job requirement it used to be | The Seattle Times https://www.seattletimes.com/explore/careers/a-4-year-degree-isnt-the-job-requirement-it-used-to-be/ Source: seattletimes (NYTimes article reposted by Bill Gates-bribed outlet)
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[14:22]	TR News	Salesforce webspam https://fundraising.co.uk/2022/04/25/salesforce-reaches-half-a-billion-dollars-in-all-time-giving/ Salesforce profits from crimes against humanity http://techrights.org/2020/09/27/salesforce-works-for-ice/
[14:22]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: fundraising.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://fundraising.co.uk/2022/04/25/salesforce-reaches-half-a-billion-dollars-in-all-time-giving/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://fundraising.co.uk/2022/04/25/salesforce-reaches-half-a-billion-dollars-in-all-time-giving/
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[14:24]	TR News	"Ive noticed that there are two types of students in this world when it comes to choosing courses: those who enroll for an easy A and those who take a class because its interesting. Both factors, easiness and interest, are subjective." https://emorywheel.com/emory-must-prioritize-undergraduate-teaching-instead-of-pure-research/
[14:24]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: emorywheel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://emorywheel.com/emory-must-prioritize-undergraduate-teaching-instead-of-pure-research/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://emorywheel.com/emory-must-prioritize-undergraduate-teaching-instead-of-pure-research/
[14:24]	TR Bot	 Emory must prioritize undergraduate teaching instead of pure research | The Emory Wheel
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[14:25]	TR News	"China exported surveillance tech to Serbia. Did it export authoritarianism too?" https://www.ft.com/content/ad8fa1ce-247b-48b7-a17a-87a368186c31 FT, did you take bribe from Bill Gates? (You did.) To help reputation laundering of Jeffrey Epstein's enabler?
[14:25]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: ft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ft.com/content/ad8fa1ce-247b-48b7-a17a-87a368186c31 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.ft.com/content/ad8fa1ce-247b-48b7-a17a-87a368186c31
[14:25]	TR Bot	 US-China Tech Race: brave new world | Financial Times
[14:27]	TR News	They mean server. And it's not "now"; it has been like this for decades (predating dumb buzzwords) https://www.freepressjournal.in/business/cloud-is-now-fundamental-backbone-of-any-enterprise-says-hcl-tech-cto clown computing = lexicon of the misinformed or the dishonest marketeer
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[14:27]	TR Bot	 Cloud is now fundamental backbone of any enterprise, says HCL Tech CTO
[14:28]	TR News	"Greener Purchasing"!!! GREEEEEEEN !!! CONSUMERISM is GOOD... for the planet! BUY MORE! Save the world. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220427005600/en/Office-Depot-Celebrates-Organizations-for-Their-Leadership-in-Greener-Purchasing
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[14:28]	TR Bot	 Office Depot Celebrates Organizations for Their Leadership in Greener Purchasing | Business Wire
[14:29]	TR News	Most households don't have "Macs" and other Apple stuff; this ought not be enabled by default https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/qnap-warns-users-to-disable-afp-until-it-fixes-critical-bugs/
[14:29]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/qnap-warns-users-to-disable-afp-until-it-fixes-critical-bugs/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/qnap-warns-users-to-disable-afp-until-it-fixes-critical-bugs/
[14:29]	TR Bot	 QNAP warns users to disable AFP until it fixes critical bugs
[14:31]	TR News	It's not up to you. Ask Monica Lewinsky https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crossroads-lab/article260177445.html
[14:32]	TR News	Trying to FORCE people to think of you positively is hallmark of autocracy, like Putin in Russia...
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[14:33]	TR News	Putin: In Russia, only foreign agents oppose me. Or: In Russia, everyone who opposes Putin gets labeled "foreign agent".
[14:34]	TR News	Microsoft: people who call out our crimes are "Microsoft haters"
[14:36]	TR News	"Following a dolphin attack on a Miami Seaquarium trainer, the ethics of keeping animals captive at marine parks and aquariums comes into question" https://plantbasednews.org/opinion/opinion-piece/dolphin-attack-miami-animals-captivity/
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[14:37]	TR News	"The base has not been operational since 2020 because of the Covid-19 pandemic, but the museum has been left unlocked for curious individual visitors." https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/work/antarctic-post-office-job-ad-details-unique-working-conditions/news-story/bfe1b2634991db6d5ef46b43a2c6a7b9
[14:42]	TR News	There are more people still using Windows XP than users of Vista 11. They should migrate to GNU/Linux on the same hardware. https://www.trustedreviews.com/explainer/why-you-need-to-keep-your-operating-system-up-to-date-4227163
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[14:42]	TR News	"GNU/Linux operating systems handle lifecycle in a variety of ways, from from rolling release distributions like Arch, which dont have a formal release lifecycle but instead release small incremental updates, to long-term support (LTS) versions." https://www.trustedreviews.com/explainer/why-you-need-to-keep-your-operating-system-up-to-date-4227163
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[14:43]	TR News	He should APOLOGISE to them, not just pardon them https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3619191/sisi-pardons-more-3000-egyptian-inmates
[14:43]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: aawsat.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3619191/sisi-pardons-more-3000-egyptian-inmates https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3619191/sisi-pardons-more-3000-egyptian-inmates
[14:46]	TR News	"Ubuntu and other GNU/Linux distributions." https://liliputing.com/2022/04/chuwi-rzbox-2022-mini-pc-with-ryzen-7-5800h-coming-soon.html but does Chuwi still pre-install Microsoft's malware? If not, then this is progress.
[14:46]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: liliputing.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://liliputing.com/2022/04/chuwi-rzbox-2022-mini-pc-with-ryzen-7-5800h-coming-soon.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://liliputing.com/2022/04/chuwi-rzbox-2022-mini-pc-with-ryzen-7-5800h-coming-soon.html
[14:49]	TR News	This Privacy-Focused Phone Doesnt Have Gulag Services http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163909#comment-33509
[14:50]	TR News	ICBM and Microsoft will pass out seeing this job ad. Or not... they're just concern-trolling the communities they're attacking, by asserting "MASTER" is racist https://it-online.co.za/2022/04/26/developer-python-master-at-parvana-recruitment-7/
[14:51]	TR News	"May 1995 Sun releases Java, a programming language intended to let programmers write once, run everywhere. It was originally developed by James Gosling and others at Sun to allow interactive applications to be downloaded to digital cable television boxes." https://www.forbes.com/sites/gilpress/2022/04/26/modern-computing-a-short-history-1945-2022/
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[14:53]	TR News	In the Battle Over the Right to Repair, Open-Source Tractors Offer an Alternative | Civil Eats https://civileats.com/2022/04/27/right-to-repair-open-source-tractors-john-deere-oggun-farms-profitability-technology/ Source: civileats
[14:54]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/weekend-random-randomness-4-24-22-9.jpg
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[14:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.16 k/sec., IPFS upstream 77.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.08
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[15:00]	TR News	Aggression, White Lies and Mass Deception Wont Help the EPO Survive | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/epo-cant-survive-like-this/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/01/epo-cant-survive-like-this/
[15:27]	TR News	GitHub Isnt Git But an Attack on Git (Just Like WSL is an Attack on GNU/Linux) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/github-stockholm-syndrome/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/01/github-stockholm-syndrome/
[15:50]	TR News	If the EPO is a Corporation, Why Cant I Buy EPO Shares in Wall Street or Take It to Court? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/epo-corporation/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/01/epo-corporation/
[15:56]	TR News	Fakecoins??? https://www.investing.com/news/cryptocurrency-news/what-major-sports-are-paying-athletes-in-crypto-2811919
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[15:57]	TR News	Support for proprietary Apple file system https://thehackernews.com/2022/04/qnap-advises-to-mitigate-remote-hacking.html
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[15:59]	TR News	"Sponsored Feature" and "Sponsored by Intel" so Timothy Prickett Morgan not only takes ICBM bribes for his ICBM (IBM) puff pieces. This is ongoing corruption of the media, turning the Web into webSPAM. https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/04/28/the-hyperscalers-point-the-way-to-integrated-ai-stacks/
[15:59]	TR News	Most [number] best [something] 'articles' on the Web are paid-for SPAM.
● May 01
[16:00]	TR News	Most households don't have "Macs" and other Apple stuff; this ought not be enabled by default https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/04/29/nas-devices-vulnerabilities/
[16:01]	TR News	MOST of what the "media" recently called "Linux" flaw was actually systemd. And the flaw was not severe. That helped distract from MANY Microsoft ZERO-DAY flaws that were CRITICAL and ACTIVELY exploited.
[16:03]	TR News	Corrupt media shilling Windows stuff, employing Microsoft media operatives, too. "CEO Jimmy Tam spoke to B&F about his US-based company..." (yeah, puff piece in 'interview' clothing) https://blocksandfiles.com/2022/04/29/peer-software-replication-spawning-more-features/
[16:03]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: blocksandfiles.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blocksandfiles.com/2022/04/29/peer-software-replication-spawning-more-features/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://blocksandfiles.com/2022/04/29/peer-software-replication-spawning-more-features/
[16:11]	TR News	Job WEBSPAM disguised as "article" with misleading headline https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-python-developer-jobs-coders-should-apply-for-in-may-2022/
[16:13]	TR News	While the assertion here may be true, it's sad they quote a Microsoft proxy (Microsoft puts back doors in things and then uses this proxy to deflect/pass blame to "Open Source") Cybersecurityskills shortagenot only continues to give C-level executives migraine but also links to many breaches,Fortinets recent reportfound.
[16:14]	TR News	While the assertion here may be true, it's sad they quote a Microsoft proxy (Microsoft puts back doors in things and then uses this proxy to deflect/pass blame to "Open Source") https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/fortinet-80-of-breaches-attributed-to-cybersecurity-skills-gap/2022/04/
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[16:17]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/04/26/quantum-ransomware/
[16:17]	TR Bot	 Meteoric attack deploys Quantum ransomware in mere hours - Help Net Security
[16:19]	TR News	So-called "fitness tracker"... mass surveillance propr disguised as "health" and "safety" https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/apr/30/michael-horvath-strava-co-founder-profile
[16:19]	TR Bot	 Michael Horvath: the Strava co-founder whos pacing himself | Technology sector | The Guardian
[16:20]	TR News	IBMer who died https://www.livemint.com/news/india/immigrant-from-india-headed-us-software-firms-11651296202674.html
[16:20]	TR Bot	 Immigrant From India Headed Us Software Firms | Mint
[16:21]	TR News	"He signed on as employee No. 17 at what became the software giant Oracle Corp. He launched his own software company, Gupta Technologies Inc., in 1984. Initially successful, that business floundered in the mid-1990s as Oracle and Microsoft Corp. muscled into its niche." https://www.livemint.com/news/india/immigrant-from-india-headed-us-software-firms-11651296202674.html
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[16:26]	TR News	According to statcounter, GNU/Linux has higher share than Apple in Poland, not even counting Android as "Linux"
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[16:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 69.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 328.65
● May 01
[17:37]	TR News	Jim Zemlin defends Microsoft from actual users of GNU/Linux (not him!) instead of defending us from Microsoft and its crimes. To these people who speak of "Code of Conduct", crime is the thing to defend and people who oppose crimes should be punished.
[17:38]	MinceR	(cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/weekend-random-randomness-4-24-22-14.jpg
[17:38]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/weekend-random-randomness-4-24-22-14.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/weekend-random-randomness-4-24-22-14.jpg
[17:43]	TR News	: The EPO has rebranded job titles/roles as if it is a private company and the EU agrees; what on Earth is going on here? Is the EPO an investment bank? http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/epo-corporation/
[17:43]	TR Bot	 If the EPO is a Corporation, Why Cant I Buy EPO Shares in Wall Street or Take It to Court? | Techrights
[17:43]	TR News	Reminder that any time you tell developers and projects to delete GitHub (and use something free, instead) you are helping Software Freedom, even if users and development groups are hesistant and apprehensive, unwilling to leave, certainly at first (Stockholm Syndrome) http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/github-stockholm-syndrome/
[17:43]	TR Bot	 GitHub Isnt Git But an Attack on Git (Just Like WSL is an Attack on GNU/Linux) | Techrights
[17:44]	TR News	The management style in Europes second-largest institution (and largest patent office) has already resulted in a mass exodus or brain drain; at this point the EPO cannot recruit highly-skilled staff which meets the standards set by the EPC and patents are being granted in violation of the EPC http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/epo-cant-survive-like-this/
[17:44]	TR Bot	 Aggression, White Lies and Mass Deception Wont Help the EPO Survive | Techrights
[17:46]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164363
[17:46]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[17:48]	TR News	Kerala, so I assume this is Free/libre software https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/kozhikode/ults-to-update-kozhikode-corporations-suvega-software/article65353306.ece
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[17:48]	TR Bot	 ULTS to update Kozhikode Corporations Suvega software - The Hindu
[17:49]	TR News	Bitwarden Review: The Best Free Password Manager for 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164364
[17:49]	TR Bot	 Bitwarden Review: The Best Free Password Manager for 2022 | Tux Machines
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[17:51]	TR News	Spotify Pays for Free Software 1,000 Less Than It Paid Rogan http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164273#comment-33510
[17:51]	TR Bot	 Spotify FOSS Fund | Tux Machines
[17:51]	TR News	Bloomberg and Bezos: US has no people who are smart, so we need to import cheap labour https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/america-must-workharder-for-homegrown-talent/2022/05/01/75a6bcf2-c94f-11ec-b7ee-74f09d827ca6_story.html
[17:51]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: washingtonpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/america-must-workharder-for-homegrown-talent/2022/05/01/75a6bcf2-c94f-11ec-b7ee-74f09d827ca6_story.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/america-must-workharder-for-homegrown-talent/2022/05/01/75a6bcf2-c94f-11ec-b7ee-74f09d827ca6_story.html
[17:51]	TR Bot	 America Must WorkHarder for Homegrown Talent - The Washington Post
[17:53]	TR News	It's easy to oppose war crime when you never hold yourself accountable (for example, see Jim Zemlin Syndrome) https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3622241/us-condemns-tadamon-massacre-syria-demands-accountability
[17:53]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: aawsat.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3622241/us-condemns-tadamon-massacre-syria-demands-accountability https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3622241/us-condemns-tadamon-massacre-syria-demands-accountability
[17:53]	TR Bot	 US Condemns Tadamon Massacre In Syria, Demands Accountability | Asharq AL-awsat
[17:54]	TR News	US demands accountability for war crimes ~= Linux Foundation subjects people to Code of Conduct while taking bribes from criminals to shield those criminals from their critics. http://techrights.org/2022/04/15/code-of-conduct-in-action/
[17:54]	TR Bot	 The Linux Foundation Does Not Want You to See How a Code of Conduct is Actually Enforced at Its Events | Techrights
[17:55]	bnchs	i'm testing cloudflare detection with phIRCe in #bnchs-test
[17:56]	TR News	"Supposedly to protect the citizenry and the state from unscrupulous swindlers and outright fraudsters, this vast machinery of impediments makes doing business in India nothing short of a nightmare." https://www.livemint.com/opinion/online-views/we-need-freedom-from-the-grip-of-regulations-and-compliances-11650903529758.html
[17:57]	TR Bot	 Free India From The Grip Of Regulations And Compliances | Mint
[17:58]	TR News	Ukraine has become a CATCH-ALL EXCUSE for all industries, not just the energy sector that now plunders BILLIONS of human beings every day https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/roche-delays-dmd-drug-deadline-while-trying-prevent-ms-trials-becoming-casualty-ukraine-war
[17:58]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: fiercebiotech.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/roche-delays-dmd-drug-deadline-while-trying-prevent-ms-trials-becoming-casualty-ukraine-war https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/roche-delays-dmd-drug-deadline-while-trying-prevent-ms-trials-becoming-casualty-ukraine-war
[17:58]	TR Bot	 Roche delays DMD drug, amends MS trials in face of Ukraine war
[17:59]	TR News	I saw people moving from Microsoft to other companies, so engaging in criminal activities does not prevent you from going into companies to carry on with the crimes https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crossroads-lab/article260177445.html
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[18:06]	matey	bnchs   i'm testing cloudflare detection with phIRCe in #bnchs-test
[18:06]	matey	ciik
[18:06]	matey	cool
[18:07]	matey	not anymore i guess
[18:07]	matey	(matey = #bnchs-tes): @matey
[18:07]	matey	oh, duh
[18:08]	matey	/me joins #bnchs-test not just "#bnchs-tes"
[18:10]	matey	http://techrights.org/irc-channel/
[18:10]	TR Bot	 IRC Channels | Techrights
[18:10]	matey	(wrong channel)
[18:10]	matey	ill get the hang of it
[18:11]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164365
[18:11]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[18:12]	TR News	Plamo 7.4 is out https://www.plamolinux.org/posts/2022-04-30-plamo-7.4-release/ Slackware derivative from Japan.
[18:12]	TR Bot	 Plamo 7.4 - Plamo Linux
[18:12]	matey	/me eats another chili and wakes up
[18:15]		*psydruid wonders if matey has been sabotaged from the inside
[18:15]	matey	no, its only a thai one
[18:15]	matey	sabotage requires ghost peppers or (higher scale) scotch bonnets 
[18:16]	psydruid	it's good to hear that the harfbuzz boys didn't come out to get you
[18:16]	matey	/me may have just broken part of a tooth though
[18:16]	matey	not as bad as it sounds, brb
[18:17]	TR News	FakeCoins https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldelcastillo/2022/04/27/edward-snowden-revealed-as-key-participant-in-mysterious-ceremony-creating-2-billion-anonymous-cryptocurrency/
[18:17]	TR Bot	 Edward Snowden Revealed As Key Participant In Mysterious Ceremony Creating $2 Billion Anonymous Cryptocurrency
[18:17]	TR News	Two aggressive companies which infiltrated the board of the so-called "Linux" Foundation whilst attacking LINUX ITSELF https://www.ericsson.com/en/blog/2022/4/ericsson-and-vmware-expand-their-collaboration--curious-to-find-out-more
[18:17]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: ericsson.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ericsson.com/en/blog/2022/4/ericsson-and-vmware-expand-their-collaboration--curious-to-find-out-more https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.ericsson.com/en/blog/2022/4/ericsson-and-vmware-expand-their-collaboration--curious-to-find-out-more
[18:17]	TR Bot	and VMware expand their collaboration - Ericsson
[18:18]	matey	just a seed
[18:18]	matey	ive got this tooth, its no problem, you cant see it
[18:19]	TR News	ExTiX Mini Build 220501 with LXQt and kernel 5.17.2 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164366
[18:19]	TR Bot	 ExTiX Mini Build 220501 with LXQt and kernel 5.17.2 | Tux Machines
[18:19]	matey	id explain more but it isnt necessary
[18:19]	matey	all the front ones are fine
[18:20]	TR News	Proprietary software should not be permitted in medical devices https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/04/w26866488/blackberry-strengthens-medical-device-software-portfolio-with-qnx-hypervisor-2-2-for-safety
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[18:21]	TR Bot	Strengthens Medical Device Software Portfolio with QNX Hypervisor 2.2 for Safety - Benzinga
[18:21]	TR News	Brains On Code: EU funding in the millions for pioneering research on brain activity during program comprehension https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/950837
[18:21]	TR Bot	 Brains On Code: EU funding in the millions fo | EurekAlert!
[18:22]	matey	/me waits for the bot to reply
[18:22]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/weekend-random-randomness-4-24-22-13.jpg
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[18:26]	TR News	Education Budgets Begin Movement in Legislature (Michigan Education Association) https://mea.org/education-budgets-begin-movement-in-legislature/ "Governor recommended a $18.4 billion plan for PK-12 schools for the coming year" (a drop in the bucket compared to war budget)
[18:26]	TR Bot	 Education Budgets Begin Movement in Legislature - Michigan Education Association
[18:27]	TR News	Fake currency in fake privacy "App" (you are the product) https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/telegram-crypto-payments
[18:27]	TR Bot	now supports Toncoin crypto payments - Protocol
[18:29]	TR News	Quit calling fakecoins "Crypto"; that has nothing to do with cryptology, it's just a cryptic scheme designed to entice fools to pump REAL money into it, based on FOMO tactics https://cointelegraph.com/news/crypto-advocate-mounts-challenge-to-longtime-silicon-valley-congresswoman
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[18:29]	TR Bot	 Crypto advocate mounts challenge to longtime Silicon Valley Congresswoman
[18:29]	TR News	Nasdaq also helps promote schemes and scams on the WWW https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/crypto-may-be-coming-to-your-401k-heres-what-to-know-now
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[18:31]	TR News	2008: OK, the economic systems are collapsing. Are you SURE you want a pension? 2022: OK, those of you who survived COVID-19, how about if you get paid in speculative scheme money instead?
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[18:33]	matey	dancing in a debian logo of candles https://yewtu.be/watch?v=svWINSRhQU0
[18:33]	TR Bot	 The Police - Wrapped Around Your Finger - Invidious
[18:34]	TR News	The rise of fakecoin seems to be a symptom or side effect of disinformation thriving on the WWW and social control media
[18:35]	matey	"ill be wrapped around your finger, ill be wrapped around your finger"
[18:36]	TR News	LOL!! Companies comparing their performance now to LOCK-DOWNS. To fake "growth" or "recovery". It's like comparing deathbed in hospital to the same at home.
[18:36]	matey	"mephistopheles is not your name, i know what youre up to just the same"
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[18:37]	matey	/me really just wanted to hear the awesome guitar riff
[18:37]	TR News	The first paragraph is all lies. They just recovered from LOCK-DOWNS. They still do badly. This whole sector is like t he airline "industry" https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220426006317/en/Mercedes-Benz-Q1-Profit-Rises-as-Pricing-Power-and-Resilience-Offset-Headwinds
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[18:37]	TR Bot	 Mercedes-Benz Q1 Profit Rises as Pricing Power and Resilience Offset Headwinds | Business Wire
[18:37]	matey	ive never seen the video, its a bonus
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[18:38]	matey	ooh, he knocks all the candles down
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[18:38]	matey	at one point sting wanted to get into acting, and his songs and videos got really dramatic
[18:38]	matey	the band was like *eyeroll* whatever
[18:38]	DaemonFC	The price of coffee has gone up 40% this year.
[18:38]	matey	as long as its not king of pain. they fucking hate that one
[18:39]	DaemonFC	"What inflation?"
[18:39]	matey	/me bought 900k of tea for less than $20, is set for a while
[18:39]	matey	GOOD tea
[18:39]	TR News	Microsoft proxy Black Duck puts its FUD in more and more site, including sponsored spam https://www.supplychainbrain.com/blogs/1-think-tank/post/34847-building-security-into-your-digital-supply-chain who are they? See http://techrights.org/wiki/Black_Duck
[18:39]	TR Bot	Security Into Your Digital Supply Chain | SupplyChainBrain
[18:39]	TR Bot	 Black Duck - Techrights
[18:39]	DaemonFC	So I've decided to go back to those "K-Cup" machines just because I had a spare "My K-Cup" pod and it works with a generic single serve brewer I found really cheap.
[18:39]	DaemonFC	So I can avoid wasting any coffee.
[18:39]	matey	instant coffee at chain store has gone down in price
[18:40]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I have some instant too.
[18:40]	DaemonFC	That didn't get hit as hard.
[18:40]	matey	i dont know why, i dont doubt the claim about 40% increase
[18:40]	matey	 <DaemonFC> That didn't get hit as hard <- weird
[18:40]	DaemonFC	But that was before I saw them clearancing out the cheap-o K-Cup compatible.
[18:40]	DaemonFC	They use lower grade coffee in instant.
[18:40]	matey	not surprising
[18:40]	DaemonFC	It's stuff that they couldn't sell as auto drip anyway.
[18:41]	matey	heh
[18:41]	DaemonFC	So they spray dry it because people figure Instant will taste off.
[18:41]	matey	how does spray dry work
[18:41]	TR News	Avast isn't known for security but for spreading malware disguised or marketed as "security". Don't install proprietary software for 'security' https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/avast-one-avast-free-antivirus-and-avast-secure-browser-win-anti-phishing-tests-301533830.html see https://palant.info/2019/10/28/avast-online-security-and-avast-secure-browser-are-spying-on-you/
[18:41]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: prnewswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/avast-one-avast-free-antivirus-and-avast-secure-browser-win-anti-phishing-tests-301533830.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/avast-one-avast-free-antivirus-and-avast-secure-browser-win-anti-phishing-tests-301533830.html
[18:41]	TR Bot	 Avast One, Avast Free Antivirus and Avast Secure Browser Win Anti-Phishing Tests
[18:41]	TR Bot	 Avast Online Security and Avast Secure Browser are spying on you | Almost Secure
[18:42]	matey	/me reads and re-reads title
[18:42]	matey	double take
[18:42]	matey	first time was worse
[18:42]	TR News	"Cohen allowed KHN to review error reports after redacting information that identified the hospitals involved. Those reports revealed mix-ups of anesthetics, antibiotics, blood pressure medicine, hormones, muscle relaxers, and a drug used to reverse the effects of sedatives." https://www.physiciansweekly.com/at-us-hospitals-a-drug-mix-up-is-just-a-few-keystrokes-away/
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[18:42]	TR Bot	 At US Hospitals, a Drug Mix-Up Is Just a Few Keystrokes Away - Physician's Weekly
[18:43]	matey	/me is reading two channels at the same time
[18:43]	matey	#techrights #bnchs-test
[18:43]	TR News	Gulag is still bleeding like a dragon there. MILLION IN LOSSES each and every quarter. https://www.protocol.com/enterprise/google-cloud-istio-cncf
[18:43]	TR Bot	Cloud to submit Istio service mesh project to CNCF - Protocol
[18:44]	DaemonFC	Basically they roast and brew the beans and then they use an evaporation process to remove most of the water and create a liquid that's as thick as motor oil, and then they reserve some of the volatile oils that escaped and blend it back in with the concentrate.
[18:44]	matey	yummy
[18:44]	DaemonFC	Then you can go two ways from there. You can box it up and vacuum seal it and put it in vending machines to be blended with hot water.
[18:45]	TR News	Gulag keeps shutting down a lot more things (sometimes companies whose products it bought) than it keeps. It copied this attitude from Microsoft. Gulag Voice it the latest example and "modern experience" is code for WORSE/WORSE experience, cheaper for Gulag.
[18:46]	matey	/me bought instant when low on tea, but probably wont be low on a tea for a while
[18:46]	DaemonFC	Or you can send through a tower that "atomizes" it with "drying gases" and then the remainder is sent through a centrifuge that separates it into a fine powder.
[18:46]	matey	every once in a while i get lazy and mix some instant with chocolate powder
[18:46]	matey	instant mocha
[18:46]	DaemonFC	Then a little bit of water is added back so it clumps up, and then you dry it again.
[18:46]	TR News	Clown computing is for people with their head in the cloud. It's not a compliment. Those people never think far ahead; instant gratification before long-term tech famine.
[18:46]	TR News	Giant spying devices 'for free' https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a39817148/microconsoles-history/
[18:46]	TR Bot	 History of Microconsoles | Best Microconsoles 2022
[18:47]	DaemonFC	Spray drying coffee is leftover military tech from the second world war.
[18:47]	matey	i was sure they just freeze dried it
[18:47]	matey	but i guess that would be dustier
[18:47]	DaemonFC	They did that too in earlier wars.
[18:47]	DaemonFC	The problem with getting coffee to the soldiers is you have a lot of soldiers and you need shelf stable coffee that doesn't waste any shipping space.
[18:47]	matey	it never occured to me there might be a second process SIMILAR to freeze drying
[18:48]	DaemonFC	Because the Nazis are out there sinking supply ships.
[18:48]	matey	indeed
[18:48]	DaemonFC	So you need to get as much coffee to them as efficiently as possible.
[18:48]	TR News	HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI procurement https://www.auntminnieeurope.com/index.aspx?sec=log&URL=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.auntminnieeurope.com%2Findex.aspx%3Fsec%3Dsup%26sub%3Daic%26pag%3Ddis%26ItemID%3D621432
[18:48]	TR Bot	 Harvey gives top tips on how to approach AI procurement
[18:48]	DaemonFC	Many of the soldiers didn't even mix the coffee like you're supposed to anyway.
[18:49]	matey	now they have much more powerful stimulants, but we arent supposed to talk about that :)
[18:49]	DaemonFC	They'd tear open the packets and eat the instant coffee crystals.
[18:49]	DaemonFC	If you fall asleep, the enemy can sneak up and kill you.
[18:49]	matey	or just mix them with water and powdered milk in your mouth like mr bean :)
[18:49]	DaemonFC	So if you don't want that to happen, get some coffee in you, somehow.
[18:49]	matey	indeed
[18:50]	DaemonFC	Oh yeah, by the time of the Korean and Vietnam Wars, pilots had an emergency kit in their planes.
[18:50]	matey	im no military expert, but i would imagine having people in charge of keeping watch also helps
[18:50]	DaemonFC	It included straight up Amphetamine capsules.
[18:51]	matey	they have those other ones now
[18:51]	matey	not entirely different from amphetamines
[18:51]	matey	kids use them during exams
[18:51]	DaemonFC	If you crash behind enemy lines, they're looking for you, they will torture and kill you.
[18:51]	DaemonFC	So what do you give the pilot?
[18:51]	DaemonFC	Amphetamines and cyanide.
[18:51]	matey	right
[18:51]	matey	good idea imo
[18:52]	DaemonFC	He stays moving and runs for several days and shoots anyone who gets in the way or he gets caught and swallows the cyanide so they can't torture him to death.
[18:52]	matey	exactly
[18:52]	TR News	It's not so much the Wi-Fi that's the risk but your devices (back doors) and things you access with it https://www.pcworld.com/article/693643/4-things-you-should-do-to-stay-safe-on-public-wi-fi.html
[18:52]	TR Bot	ways to stay safe on public Wi-Fi | PCWorld
[18:54]	TR News	IDG assumes you use Windows (back doors) and Chrome (malware), then tries to sell you VPN. What a bunch of crock. The media is run by scammers and salespeople pushing snakeoil.
[18:54]	matey	adderall
[18:54]	matey	https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/using-stimulants-cram-exams-ruins-sleep-and-doesnt-help-test-scores
[18:54]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: universityofcalifornia.edu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/using-stimulants-cram-exams-ruins-sleep-and-doesnt-help-test-scores https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/using-stimulants-cram-exams-ruins-sleep-and-doesnt-help-test-scores
[18:54]	TR Bot	 Using stimulants to cram for exams ruins sleep and doesn't help test scores | University of California
[18:54]	matey	better for survival than test scores, maybe
[18:55]	TR News	MiamiCoin???? "participants the opportunity acquire knowledge and skills in Web3"... OK, when you see "Web3" you DO know it IS a scheme/scam https://news.mdc.edu/press_release/mdcs-bit-center-partners-with-citycoins-venture-miami-and-stacks-foundation-to-offer-free-miamicoin-developer-course-starting-may-9/ http://techrights.org/2022/01/29/web3-is-bullshit/
[18:55]	TR Bot	 MDCs BIT Center Partners with CityCoins, Venture Miami and Stacks Foundation to Offer Free MiamiCoin Developer Course Starting May 9 | MDC News
[18:55]	TR Bot	 Aral Balkan: Web3 is Bullshit | Techrights
[18:55]	matey	it can cause huge lapses in attention, so its better for soldiers on the run than shift workers
[18:55]	matey	says the article
[18:55]	DaemonFC	Yeah. So, he had that, a gun, a medkit, and some, well basically, powerbars a canteen, and a water treatment kit that would kill off pathogens and parasites.
[18:56]	matey	but also not overworking medical staff would help too
[18:56]	DaemonFC	Nothing appetizing, but it wouldn't weight you down and you could maybe use the map and compass to run across the border into a country we're not at war with.
[18:56]	TR News	Now they can jack up the prices some more to rip off your pet like you're already ripped off because "COVID" something and "Ukraine" something https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/04/27/2430596/0/en/Marel-to-acquire-Wenger-a-global-leader-in-processing-solutions-for-pet-food-plant-based-proteins-and-aqua-feed.html
[18:56]	TR Bot	 Marel to acquire Wenger, a global leader in processing
[18:56]	matey	/me doesnt belineve in cryptocurrency, but hasnt reached a final verdict
[18:56]	DaemonFC	The United States is already in a terrible recession.
[18:57]	TR News	Business Insider publishes corporate webspam! https://africa.businessinsider.com/careers/meat-giant-tyson-foods-will-spend-dollar60-million-to-give-its-employees-free/rlky6r7
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[18:57]	TR Bot	 Meat giant Tyson Foods will spend $60 million to give its employees free education, including college degrees | Business Insider Africa
[18:57]	matey	capitalism is falling apart
[18:57]	DaemonFC	And they're bullshitting us with excuses as to why it isn't a recession or why it won't be that bad of a recession.
[18:57]	matey	everyone is at war with everyone, and in war, central economic planning is used more than free markets
[18:57]	DaemonFC	Keynesian Economics is total bullshit.
[18:57]	matey	yep
[18:57]	DaemonFC	Until the 1970s, Keynesians said you flat out could not have both economic contractions _and_ inflation.
[18:57]	DaemonFC	And right now it's happening AGAIN.
[18:58]	DaemonFC	But Keynesians still dominate our politics and are driving us over another cliff.
[18:58]	DaemonFC	And prescribing the same medicine that keeps making it worse.
[18:58]	matey	no one knows economics is bullshit more than economists
[18:58]	matey	its like someone is handing them a scientology book and saying "just tell them it works"
[18:58]	matey	"thats your job"
[18:58]	DaemonFC	Richard Stallman is a proponent of Keynesian Economics.
[18:59]	matey	he doesnt know shit about that stuff
[18:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 46.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 348.73
[18:59]	matey	he really doesnt
[18:59]	TR News	The Web is FULL of scams. They want what's LEFT of your REAL (borrowed?) money. Come on, give us REAL dollars for NFTs!! Linux Foundation: NFTs are OK, just need to be more GREEEEEEEEN! Business Insider publishes corporate webspam! https://africa.businessinsider.com/careers/meat-giant-tyson-foods-will-spend-dollar60-million-to-give-its-employees-free/rlky6r7
[18:59]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: businessinsider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://africa.businessinsider.com/careers/meat-giant-tyson-foods-will-spend-dollar60-million-to-give-its-employees-free/rlky6r7 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://africa.businessinsider.com/careers/meat-giant-tyson-foods-will-spend-dollar60-million-to-give-its-employees-free/rlky6r7
[18:59]	DaemonFC	He thinks that when the economy is bad that the government can just print its way out of the problem, even though that hasn't worked in any country that did it.
[18:59]	DaemonFC	It did send Japan into 300% debt to GDP or more, when you use GAAP accounting practices.
[18:59]	matey	anytime he strays from computer science, free software and physics, he doesnt know his arse from his elbow
[18:59]	DaemonFC	And it will do the same to the United States, the UK, and anyone else dumb enough to try it.
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[19:00]	matey	but hes got a right to an opinion, even if its crap
[19:00]	DaemonFC	It will plunge the world into another Great Depression, and we're already on the verge of most of the countries declaring war on each other again.
[19:00]	TR News	A silent, slow killer https://www.forbesindia.com/article/take-one-big-story-of-the-day/noise-pollution-when-will-the-government-wake-up/75735/1
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[19:00]	TR Bot	 Forbes India - Environment, Health: Noise Pollution: When Will The Government Wake Up?
[19:00]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, ^
[19:00]	matey	and if it makes you think, cool
[19:00]	matey	the problem is people dont think
[19:00]	DaemonFC	The US wants the war in Ukraine to grind on, and so does the UK and most of the EU countries, and the English-speaking world.
[19:01]	matey	it wont be keynesian economic that tanks the usa
[19:01]	matey	it will be capitalism
[19:01]	TR News	Travel (flight etc.) industry is dying. It already struggled a lot BEFORE COVID-19 and Nasdaq helps them find a more malicious business model akin to DRM/streaming. https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/subscriptions-are-coming-to-travel-should-you-get-on-board
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[19:01]	matey	but richard stallmans take on economics wont do shit about it
[19:01]	DaemonFC	We see it as a chance to mortally wound Russia's military without having to go to war ourselves, so that they're so softened up that the only thing they have left are nukes that we can retaliate against.
[19:01]	matey	hes really not very educated in the subject in the first place
[19:02]	matey	people have the things theyre good at
[19:02]	matey	then they have the things they really know fuck all about 
[19:02]	matey	as long as you dont mix up the two, youre good
[19:02]	DaemonFC	Ukraine's government said yesterday that they already downed more than 250 Russian planes, and have blown up over 2,500 armored fighting vehicles and over 1,000 tanks.
[19:02]	DaemonFC	So that's quite a lot of damage using "defensive" weapons shipments from the west.
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[19:03]	matey	bad strategy is bad strategy no matter what sort of equipment is used
[19:03]	DaemonFC	Ukraine is a graveyard of Russian armor (and Russians), but at a terrible cost to the Ukrainian people, sadly.
[19:03]	TR News	Elon Musk: I shall buy Twitter for "free speech" and a fleet of 10,000 737s MAX for "free FALLS"
[19:03]	DaemonFC	I don't know whether the reports that Putin has some sort of Parkinson's like disease are true or not.
[19:04]	TR News	"Python is undeniably one of the most popular programming languages on the planet. Businesses may now reach their goals more easily than ever before thanks to Python." https://anithing-everything.medium.com/top-10-websites-to-learn-python-for-free-in-2022-f6a1d2224d2e
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[19:04]	matey	oh, they always say that when they want to get rid of someone
[19:04]	matey	so maybe theyre plotting a coup now
[19:04]	matey	good idea, its time
[19:04]	matey	stalin may have been murdered
[19:05]	matey	he was planning to ice all the top brass, his own most trusted people
[19:05]	matey	quick ticket to a grave, that is
[19:05]	matey	putin is just as insane
[19:05]	matey	absolute power creates paranoia
[19:05]	TR News	"Climate Neutrality by 2025" = PR nonsense by [some date in the distant future] (when people no longer remember the promises we made or the people who made the promises are deceased already) https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/teamviewer-presents-comprehensive-sustainability-program-c-a-r-e-with-the-goal-to-achieve-climate-neutrality-by-2025-301535333.html Greenwash in capitalism = symptom of criminal mindset
[19:05]	matey	its funny how having complete power makes you feel LESS safe, not more
[19:05]	matey	and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy
[19:05]	matey	people werent doing what hitler told them to
[19:06]	matey	because he kept fucking up, and it was costing the war
[19:06]	matey	so all the top guys just stopped giving a shit what he said
[19:06]	matey	this is going to happen to putin
[19:06]	matey	or the next guy, if there is one
[19:06]	TR News	Why You Should Block Ads https://www.pcmag.com/picks/best-ad-blockers
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[19:06]	matey	hopefully he dies soon
[19:06]	matey	hes gotten to be too much of a liability to everyone, including his own people
[19:06]	matey	this is stalin all over again
[19:06]	DaemonFC	Zelenskyy has said that they destroyed so much Russian armor that Putin is having to drag out obsolete equipment that couldn't be used in a war for his military parade on the 9th.
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[19:07]	matey	and that will be a sign to anyone who knows how full of shit he is
[19:07]	matey	and how dangerous this is
[19:07]	matey	and how much this needs to end
[19:07]	matey	putin is committing suicide
[19:07]	matey	politically
[19:07]	matey	but also literally
[19:07]	DaemonFC	It's hardly a surprise the Russians pulled out of the north and regrouped and came back in places that had "separated" from Ukraine anyway.
[19:08]	matey	im not saying theyll kill him
[19:08]	matey	fingers crossed though
[19:08]	DaemonFC	They figure that they can fortify those positions and use the pretend "republics" as human shields.
[19:08]	matey	weve been here before.
[19:08]	matey	russias been here before.
[19:08]	matey	they know what to do.
[19:08]	matey	if there are rumours that hes lost it...
[19:08]	DaemonFC	And while those folks are fighting, the Russians still have the option of bugging out and retreating back into Russia as the territory is recaptured.
[19:08]	matey	those rumours are a typical prelude to a takedown.
[19:08]	matey	a lot of the time its not true
[19:09]	matey	what was doing in stalin was his paranoia 
[19:09]	matey	he would literally tell people "youre looking shifty-eyed today"
[19:09]	matey	and then that person had a lot more to worry about
[19:09]	matey	people close to the leader only put up with shit like that for so long
[19:09]	TR News	Billionaires using their media 'pet projects' for reputation laundering. The list continues to grow. Gates, Ford, Bloomberg, Bezos... https://www.thomsonreuters.com/en/press-releases/2022/april/thomson-reuters-expands-reporting-of-key-metrics-in-2021-social-impact-and-esg-report.html Musk bought a cesspool of misinformation to prop up his scams
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[19:09]	TR Bot	 Thomson Reuters expands reporting of key metrics in 2021 Social Impact & ESG Report | Thomson Reuters
[19:10]	matey	and people can only obtain so much absolute power until they get that way
[19:10]	matey	putin would live longer if he ran off to some unpopulated area and took his chances in the wilderness
[19:10]	TR News	EFF should have said what YOU should do: quit the thing. Instead it's sucking up to a sociopath https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/twitter-has-new-owner-heres-what-he-should-do
[19:10]	matey	maybe theyd leave him alone
[19:10]	TR Bot	 Twitter Has a New Owner. Heres What He Should Do. | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[19:11]	matey	the rumours say more about his position than they do about his physical health
[19:11]	TR News	"Stratton said of the 173-year-old birthplace of Frank Sinatra and site of the first organized baseball game." https://www.seattletimes.com/business/weather-prediction-startups-grow-as-more-volatile-storms-loom/
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[19:12]	matey	theyre about done with his shit
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[19:13]	TR News	Thick on buzzwords, light on substance https://www.information-age.com/why-integration-must-be-foundation-for-digital-change-123499255/
[19:14]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, A lot of companies are facing such pushback from workers over return to the office that they're still not demanding it even though they said they would.
[19:14]	DaemonFC	That Allstate building in the burbs, off the tollway, is still a ghost town with very few cars in the lot.
[19:14]	DaemonFC	Just empty, sitting there with the lights on.
[19:15]	TR News	It says "SPONSORED"; The so-called 'Linux' Foundation is bribing loads of publishers to publish puff pieces for it, distracting from the abuses https://thenewstack.io/you-cant-hire-your-way-out-of-the-cloud-skills-shortage/ stop calling servers "clowns"
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[19:16]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tRYlA5-ARTY
[19:16]	TR News	"At 23, a Greek from Kavala has already built his own robot for less than $600, produced his own 3D printer, and designed a computer tower that is an eco-friendly, do-it-yourself kit. After a decade of being a trailblazer of innovation, whats next for Dimitris Chatzis?" https://greekreporter.com/2022/04/26/young-greek-tech-whiz-ascos-start-up-greece/
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[19:16]	matey	hes still more like stalin
[19:16]	matey	stalin of course, literally blew up the fortifications that protected russie from nazi invasion
[19:17]	matey	then while they were literally invading, he ignored it while the brass said "wtf, do something"
[19:17]	matey	and he routinely ordered them to stand down
[19:17]	matey	because he said those were warning shots, and engaging would start a REAL war
[19:17]	TR News	If it got this much funding, then it's working FOR the system and it won't challenge "the system" (like patents that curtail genetics). Also, Forbes is Establishment propaganda. https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiejennings/2022/04/26/with-35-million-in-funding-waltz-health-aims-to-lower-drug-prices-working-with--not-against--the-system/
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[19:17]	matey	so let the nazis invade russia
[19:17]	matey	MOST bad leaders kill the economy
[19:18]	matey	stalin literally had it shot
[19:18]	DaemonFC	KIA Motors Finance is probably not happy about all of those 0% interest loans they signed off on expecting low inflation to continue. Maybe others. Probably others.
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[19:18]	DaemonFC	When inflation is like 2%, you just say "Hey, we're greasing the deal and we're selling them a really expensive car so we can eat this." and then when the ink is dry, inflation ramps up and you start getting 5 years worth every year and suddenly it's "Oh shit!".
[19:18]	TR News	Microsoft site hyping up scams https://www.fool.com/investing/stock-market/market-sectors/financials/cryptocurrency-stocks/solana/
[19:18]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: fool.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fool.com/investing/stock-market/market-sectors/financials/cryptocurrency-stocks/solana/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.fool.com/investing/stock-market/market-sectors/financials/cryptocurrency-stocks/solana/
[19:19]	TR News	Investing based on race is known as.... never mind https://www.blackenterprise.com/top-8-black-owned-start-up-tech-companies-to-invest-in-for-2022/
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[19:20]	TechrightsBot-tr	Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
[19:23]	TR News	NTFS is ANGER, not "Open-Source Excitement" [sic]. I can't believe he's still doing clickbait and paid-for product promotions, even for Microsoft https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=April-2022-Highlights
[19:23]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=April-2022-Highlights https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=April-2022-Highlights
[19:23]	TR Bot	NTFS, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, Mesa 22.1 & Other April Open-Source Excitement - Phoronix
[19:25]	DaemonFC	Star Trek has gone unbelievably woke as well too now. At some point in the future there are no white starfleet captains anymore.
[19:26]	DaemonFC	They had one white commanding officer in Discovery for a while. Lorca. He turned out to be a Terran who was there plotting to take them back to his universe to conquer the Empire. So of course they'd make him the bad guy.
[19:26]	DaemonFC	White men in Sci Fi have to be the bad guy now because reasons. Unless they're gay.
[19:26]	TR News	Raspberry Slideshow 15.1 is out https://www.binaryemotions.com/digital-signage-systems/raspberry-slideshow/
[19:26]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Slideshow Binary Emotions
[19:28]	DaemonFC	But that is a reflection of the way reality is going now.
[19:29]	DaemonFC	You can't get anywhere near a position of power in most organizations unless you tick a lot of (what should be) irrelevant boxes.
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[19:30]	DaemonFC	As such, leadership quality in most organizations is suffering because they're no longer as concerned with excellence as they are with projecting that they're "with the times".
[19:31]	DaemonFC	https://lifehacker.com/how-much-money-can-you-save-by-cutting-your-own-hair-1833776472
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[19:31]	TR Bot	 How Much Money Can You Save by Cutting Your Own Hair?
[19:31]	DaemonFC	An unbelievable amount of money, especially considering inflation.
[19:32]	DaemonFC	I haven't gone anywhere for a haircut since COVID began, at first because I didn't want some random stranger who may very well e infected breathing down my neck.
[19:33]	TR News	Purism Librem 14 review (part 1): The ethical flagship Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164367
[19:33]	TR Bot	 Purism Librem 14 review (part 1): The ethical flagship | Tux Machines
[19:34]	DaemonFC	But then I realized that even at Great Clips, they want $22 now unless you catch them on some promotion where you can buy like 12 haircuts all at once and then it's like $12.99 each, but you have to lay out $168.35 all at once, and then you can only go there for a year. You still have to tip ($5-6 maybe?) and then there's the gas and time out of your day. That all has to factor in, because it's never going to be exactly along where you're 
[19:34]	DaemonFC	heading anyway. And gas is expensive.
[19:35]	TR News	Nathan Willis: Engaging with the OSI Elections 2022.1 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164368 OSI infested with Microsoft and friends, opponents of Open Source
[19:35]	TR Bot	 Nathan Willis: Engaging with the OSI Elections 2022.1 | Tux Machines
[19:35]	DaemonFC	Some people with long hair can go a while between trims, but I've never had long hair and can't stand going more than about 30 days.
[19:37]	TR News	Gulag Handover: "This driver handles the telephony phone mute HID usage by ignoring it. This avoids the default handling by the hid-input driver which is to map this to a KEY_MICMUTE event." https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/hid/hid.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=e9c8c7c43b51b277026f94a1175c605436c7c829
[19:37]	TR Bot	 kernel/git/hid/hid.git - HID Group's fork of hid.git
[19:37]	DaemonFC	Those waterless car washes don't just save the money vs. putting a $10 bill in the machine every week. You burn about a gallon of gas every hour your engine is idling, and it takes about 10-12 minutes to wait and then get pushed through the system each week. So 5 weeks = 1 gallon of gas. 52 weeks in a years, Call it 10.5 gallons of gas wasted, at $4.29 a gallon or so.
[19:37]	DaemonFC	So there went another $50 just burning gas while the machine pushes you through the wash.
[19:39]	TR News	OSI cannot be redeemed. It's vendor-captured like Linux Foundation. Once they collapse, things won't be pretty (orphaned things). But the point is to cause the disruption. That's why Pentagon-funded companies attack these orgs so viciously. They can obliterate them using 'slush funds'.
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[19:42]	TR News	"As suspicious questions on IRC and Discord revealed, there are quite a few solutions to the PWC that are not made public. One question in particular indicates that there is a build-in missing in Raku." https://gfldex.wordpress.com/2022/05/01/antipairing/
[19:42]	TR Bot	 Antipairing | Playing Perl 6b6xA Raku
[19:43]	TR News	"Since a few years I am also managing tlcontrib the supplementary TeX Live package repository. [..] Bit thanks to all who made this possible, and make the TeX ecosystem even more friendly!" https://www.preining.info/blog/2022/05/tlcontrib-on-ctan/
[19:43]	TR Bot	 TLContrib on CTAN | There and back again
[19:44]	TR News	"A massive challenge for Europe is when citizens are confronted with disinformation through misleading or openly false information." The EPO, aided by the EU, spreads ILLEGAL disinformation in its own Web site https://dwaves.de/2022/05/01/the-deep-fake-tom-cruise-massive-challenge-for-europe-is-technology-neutral/ see http://techrights.org/2022/04/30/upc-illegal/
[19:44]	TR Bot	The Deep Fake Tom Cruise Massive challenge for Europe is technology neutral? | dwaves.de
[19:44]	TR Bot	 Lies Are Catching Up With UPC/Unitary Patent Boosters (And Mr. F Word Campinos Misuses the EPO.Org Site to Spread Lies, Shamelessly Promote Illegal Agenda) | Techrights
[19:46]	TR News	"Due to COVID-19, my ever-increasing workload has kept me away from posting. Also, health issues in the family and my daughter's return to to in-person school classes required my attention. All this has kept me away from here." http://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.com/2022/05/happy-12th-anniversary.html
[19:46]	TR Bot	 Mandriva Linux Chronicles: Happy 12th Anniversary, MandrivaChronicles!
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[19:47]	TR News	"another batch of updates came and broke it. Good job, Microsoft! I had to fix it and it took me two days to have the system operational again." http://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.com/2022/05/happy-12th-anniversary.html
[19:49]	TR News	"I was hired as a Senior Web Developer on addons.mozilla.org (AMO). I am now a Staff Software Engineer in the Firefox WebExtensions team. I officially joined this team in January. Since then, I became a peer of the Add-ons Manager and WebExtensions modules." https://williamdurand.fr/2022/05/01/moziversary-4/
[19:49]	TR Bot	 Moziversary #4 | William Durand
[19:50]	TR News	driver core: Add sysfs support for physical location of a device https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/gregkh/driver-core.git/commit/?h=driver-core-next&id=6423d2951087231706246f81851067f7f0593d4a
[19:50]	TR Bot	 kernel/git/gregkh/driver-core.git - Driver core development git tree
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[20:03]	TR News	"Back at $COMPANY we had an internal meme-site. I had some reputation in my team for creating good memes. When I watched Episode 3 of Season 2 from Yes Premier Minister yesterday, I really missed a place to post memes." https://blog.koch.ro/posts/2022-05-01-missing-memegen.html
[20:03]	TR Bot	 Thomas Koch - Missing memegen
[20:04]	TR News	OpenStreetMap https://www.maketecheasier.com/google-map-alternatives/
[20:04]	TR Bot	 12 of the Best Google Maps Alternatives You Should Try - Make Tech Easier
[20:17]	TR News	Fake patents on software granted by EPO to companies that blackmail GNU/Linux distros https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/21/epo-opposition-filed-against-dolby-patent see http://techrights.org/2020/11/19/patent-trolling-dolby/
[20:17]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: unifiedpatents.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/21/epo-opposition-filed-against-dolby-patent https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/21/epo-opposition-filed-against-dolby-patent
[20:17]	TR Bot	 EPO opposition filed against Dolby patent Unified Patents
[20:17]	TR Bot	 Dolby Patents Are Being Used in Patent-Trolling Activity Against GNU/Linux, But Dolby is Said to Be a GPL Violator | Techrights
[20:17]	TR News	Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) R14.0.12 release is ready! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164369
[20:17]	TR Bot	 Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) R14.0.12 release is ready! | Tux Machines
[20:17]	TR News	Software Patents again https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/25/lbt-ip-patent-challenged
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[20:17]	TR Bot	 LBT IP II patent challenged Unified Patents
[20:18]	TR News	Indirectly Microsoft-connected patent troll https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/26/dominion-harbor-entity-liberty-peak-ventures-patent-likely-invalid http://techrights.org/wiki/Dominion_Harbor
[20:18]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: unifiedpatents.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/26/dominion-harbor-entity-liberty-peak-ventures-patent-likely-invalid https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/26/dominion-harbor-entity-liberty-peak-ventures-patent-likely-invalid
[20:18]	TR Bot	 Dominion Harbor entity Liberty Peak Ventures patent likely invalid Unified Patents
[20:18]	TR Bot	 Dominion Harbor - Techrights
[20:19]	TR News	Microsoft-connected patent troll https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/29/2000-awarded-for-acacia-subsidiary-prior-art see http://techrights.org/wiki/Acacia
[20:19]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: unifiedpatents.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/29/2000-awarded-for-acacia-subsidiary-prior-art https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/29/2000-awarded-for-acacia-subsidiary-prior-art
[20:19]	TR Bot	 $2,000 awarded for Acacia subsidiary prior art Unified Patents
[20:19]	TR Bot	 Acacia - Techrights
[20:21]	TR News	EPO says: "According to the EPO's Patent Index 2021, one in five patent applications to the EPO originating in Europe came from an individual inventor or small or medium-sized enterprise (fewer than 250 employees)." So basically EPO admits it works for megacorporations, at SMEs' expense.
[20:22]	TR News	Software Patents are nowadays shoehorned by the criminals who hijacked the EPO. They like to dub these "4IR"...
[20:24]	TR News	System of the megacorporations http://www.fosspatents.com/2022/04/fail-tesla-toyota-honda-file-wrong.html
[20:24]	TR Bot	 FOSS Patents: #FAIL: Tesla, Toyota, Honda file WRONG amicus brief as auto industry, Apploturfers urge Fifth Circuit to resuscitate Continental's 'antitrust' case against Avanci, Nokia, others
[20:25]	TR News	The corrupt site IAM, taking bribes from the EPO in order to lie, helps calls Software Patents just "CII" https://www.iam-media.com/article/iam-weekly-review-25th-30th-april-2022
[20:25]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: iam-media.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.iam-media.com/article/iam-weekly-review-25th-30th-april-2022 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.iam-media.com/article/iam-weekly-review-25th-30th-april-2022
[20:25]	TR Bot	 Via ends wireless pool; Big EPO CII change; More US Avanci licensees soon; ZTE asks court to set 4G FRAND rate; Vidal hints at pharma patent crackdown; plus much more - IAM
[20:33]	TR News	Orrin Hatch has died? We'll never forget what he did on patents http://techrights.org/2018/06/18/orrin-hatch-pharmaceutical-industry-ptab/ maybe we should patent his coffin and SUE HIM
[20:33]	TR Bot	 Orrin Hatch, Sponsored the Most by the Pharmaceutical Industry, Tries to Make Its Patents Immune From Scrutiny (PTAB) | Techrights
[20:34]	TR News	European Parliament for megacorporations (a union of oligarchs?) https://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2022/04/breaking-article-17-of-dsm-directive-is.html
[20:34]	TR Bot	 BREAKING: Article 17 of the DSM Directive is VALID - The IPKat
[20:35]	TR News	"patents electronics, mobility, designs and SEPs" is what it is. Stop calling everything IP (it's a lie). https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/people-and-business/volkswagen-appoints-new-head-of-ip/
[20:35]	TR Bot	 Volkswagen appoints new head of IP - JUVE Patent
[20:42]	TR News	IAM is glorifying massive patent trolls https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1187436/upcoming-interdigital-v-lenovo-sepfrand-decision-hsf-interviewed-by-iam see http://techrights.org/2018/03/04/interdigital-and-technicolor/
[20:42]	TR Bot	 Upcoming InterDigital v Lenovo SEP/FRAND Decision HSF Interviewed By IAM - Patent - UK
[20:42]	TR Bot	 A Publicly-Traded Troll, InterDigital, is Trying Hard to Recover Lost Momentum by Adding Tens of Thousands of Technicolor Patents/Applications | Techrights
[20:43]	TR News	"The text of the Patent Act suggests that obviousness is a straightforward inquiry: find how the claimed invention differs from the prior art and ask whether, based upon those differences, an objective artisan would deem the invention obvious. 35 U.S.C. 103." Far too many US patents are obvious, but only a fraction are tested in court https://patentlyo.com/patent/2022/04/the-advance-meaningful.html
[20:43]	TR Bot	 Is the Advance Meaningful? | Patently-O
[20:46]	TR News	GloPoWriMo - It's a wrap! gemini://spool-five.com/gemlog/2022-05-01-glopowrimo.gmi
[20:47]	TR News	The Mauve Shroom Assembly gemini://thurk.org/blog/556.gmi
[20:48]	TR News	Thoughts on Long-form Content on Gemini gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/longform.gmi
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[20:49]	TR News	smolZINE - Issue 25 gemini://gemini.cyberbot.space/smolzine/smolzine-issue-25.gmi "A quite impressive feat of efficient hardware utilization, this capsule is not only a gemini capsule but also a sensor station for a mushroom farm and all of this is running on an ESP8266 microcontroller off-grid!"
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[20:50]	DaemonFC	https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/01/europe/russia-farm-vehicles-ukraine-disabled-melitopol-intl/index.html
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[20:50]	TR Bot	 Farm vehicles removed from Ukraine by Russians who find they've been remotely disabled - CNN
[20:50]	DaemonFC	"Russian troops in the occupied city of Melitopol have stolen all the equipment from a farm equipment dealership -- and shipped it to Chechnya, according to a Ukrainian businessman in the area.
[20:50]	DaemonFC	But after a journey of more than 700 miles, the thieves were unable to use any of the equipment -- because it had been locked remotely."
[20:50]	TR News	Finally, Signal on the PinePhone gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/05/01/signal-on-the-pinephone/
[20:56]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/2022/05/01/1095466871/biden-polls-democrats-gen-z-midterms
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[20:56]	TR Bot	 Polls show Biden losing support from Gen Z. Some young voters aren't surpris : NPR
[20:56]	DaemonFC	"
[20:56]	DaemonFC	The latest polls show Joe Biden is losing the love of younger Americans."
[20:56]	DaemonFC	His approval rating with them was never above 50%.
[20:56]	DaemonFC	NPR revisionism.
[20:56]	CrystalMath	time to hack the firmware on that farm equipment
[20:57]	DaemonFC	Not surprising, because NPR is biased towards Democrats.
[20:57]	CrystalMath	this is a job for open source communism power! :)
[20:57]	DaemonFC	"Climate change, racial justice, and student debt are some of the key issues for young people."
[20:57]	DaemonFC	Wrong.
[20:58]	DaemonFC	The fact that you can no longer afford an apartment or gas to run your car to get to work on one income are the top issues right now.
[20:58]	psydruid	or time to stop buying that farm equipment and let its manufacturer go bankrupt
[20:58]	CrystalMath	psydruid: nah, it was already stolen, so why not use it
[20:58]	CrystalMath	let's not be wasteful
[20:58]	DaemonFC	John Deere has been fighting right to repair.
[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 6.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 347.91
[20:59]	psydruid	or time for the government to put an end to these practices
[20:59]	CrystalMath	we need to overwrite the firmware on that thing
[20:59]	DaemonFC	And part of the right to repair issue is that they put so much software in there to track and disable the equipment if, you know, the farmer misses a payment.
[20:59]	psydruid	or time to put an end to the government
[20:59]	CrystalMath	maybe even replace some controllers
[20:59]	DaemonFC	And that hobbles the ability of independent mechanics to service it.
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[21:00]	DaemonFC	I doubt the Russians are going to figure out a bypass so they'll probably give up and break them down into parts.
[21:00]	DaemonFC	If the Russians are using John Deere equipment for their own farms then technically nothing stops the US government from disabling their farming equipment until the war is over.
[21:01]	DaemonFC	I'm not sure why they wouldn't have already.
[21:01]	DaemonFC	When you get the Russians unable to harvest their crops that might put pressure on them to negotiate an end to the war.
[21:02]	DaemonFC	Literally no young Americans who have to rent an apartment or put food on the table are "primarily concerned aout racial justice".
[21:02]	TR News	Links 01/05/2022: Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) R14.0.12, ExTiX 22.5, and Plamo 7.4 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/trinity-desktop-environment/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/01/trinity-desktop-environment/
[21:02]	TR Bot	 Links 01/05/2022: Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) R14.0.12, ExTiX 22.5, and Plamo 7.4 | Techrights
[21:03]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164370
[21:03]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[21:03]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164371
[21:03]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[21:03]	DaemonFC	This is woke bullshit at its worst. "Oh, I'm eating peanut butter sandwiches every day and falling further behind on my rent, but I'm going to worry about whether the next Star Trek has a black captain!".
[21:03]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164372
[21:03]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[21:03]	DaemonFC	Netflix disabling password sharing is going to be part of what ends them.
[21:03]	DaemonFC	Those people aren't going to subscribe. They're going to go to bittorrent.
[21:03]	SomeH4x0r	wdym disabling?
[21:08]	DaemonFC	They know about password sharing and have just opted not to do much about it until now.
[21:09]	SomeH4x0r	some are afraid of ISP letters, idk why don't these pay for VPNs
[21:09]	DaemonFC	Like Microsoft tolerating widespread piracy in poor countries.
[21:09]	DaemonFC	To make sure nobody tries to get away and everyone standardizes on their formats.
[21:09]	DaemonFC	And then it's too late, so they clamp down and start demanding lots of money.
[21:10]	DaemonFC	I thought about printing out one of those "return coupons" requesting more information about MS-DOS OEM licensing and mailing it to Microsoft to see what would happen.
[21:11]	DaemonFC	Their address has changed. That building is still there, though.
[21:11]	bnchs__	SomeH4x0r, VPNs are a big nothingburger
[21:11]	bnchs__	how many VPNs have surrendered to the agents after being threatened or some shit
[21:12]	bnchs__	VPNs change their tune after they get a subpoena
[21:13]	SomeH4x0r	at least I didn't get threat letters for downloading torrents here (in Ukraine), so someone could get a proxy in Ukraine and use it, I guess
[21:15]	bnchs__	i didn't too
[21:16]	bnchs__	i seeded over 180+ GB on my home network
[21:16]	bnchs__	of "pirated" films and movies
[21:16]	bnchs__	never got a single letter
[21:21]	TR News	IAM: Paid by the EPOs Nepotism Club (Management) to Glorify Illegal Agenda (and in Turn Legitimise It, Imposing That on EPO Examiners) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/iam-the-faithful-megaphone/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/01/iam-the-faithful-megaphone/
[21:21]	TR Bot	 IAM: Paid by the EPOs Nepotism Club (Management) to Glorify Illegal Agenda (and in Turn Legitimise It, Imposing That on EPO Examiners) | Techrights
[21:23]	DaemonFC	I topped off the freezers completely.
[21:23]	DaemonFC	Bad times are here.
[21:24]	DaemonFC	Lots of stores are just entirely out of chicken, or have raised the price about a third.
[21:24]	DaemonFC	I have about 3.5 cubic feet full of frozen chicken.
[21:25]	DaemonFC	I bought hundreds of dollars worth, just of chicken, before the shelves went completely bare or the price (if you can get some) went sky high.
[21:25]	psydruid	they mostly target people in "developed" countries
[21:25]	DaemonFC	Dumping some cash isn't a bad idea, especially on food.
[21:25]	DaemonFC	That's one of the things that's going up fast.
[21:27]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/28/success/money-moves-recession-geopolitical-unrest/index.html
[21:27]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/28/success/money-moves-recession-geopolitical-unrest/index.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/28/success/money-moves-recession-geopolitical-unrest/index.html
[21:27]	TR Bot	fears are mounting. Here's how to protect your money - CNN
[21:27]	DaemonFC	More CNN bullshit.
[21:28]	DaemonFC	"With ultra-low unemployment and plenty of openings, it's a job seeker's market right now. But if there's a recession, that could change quickly. So make hay while you can."
[21:28]	DaemonFC	Right.....
[21:28]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, It's a jobseeker's market. Ignore the bloodbath going on right now with layoffs, especially with white collar workers.
[21:29]	DaemonFC	Robinhood recently fired several hundred workers.
[21:29]	DaemonFC	They're trying to explain it all away of course, just like the thousands of others.
[21:29]	DaemonFC	Geico (my car insurance company) is laying off or making the workplace so intolerable that people get the message and quit.
[21:30]	DaemonFC	Today Geico's app dinged me for "distracted driving" when I was parked and had the engine turned off and was telling Walmart's app where to bring my groceries.
[21:31]	DaemonFC	So I told Geico I was a passenger on that trip.
[21:34]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: the GREAT RESIGNATION
[21:34]	schestowitz-TR	it's the workers' faulyt
[21:34]	schestowitz-TR	they all resign
[21:34]	schestowitz-TR	the companies cannot find ENOUGH workers!!!
[21:34]	schestowitz-TR	the GREAT RESIGNATION
[21:34]	schestowitz-TR	ICBM is promoting this myth every week
[21:34]	schestowitz-TR	not it finally admits it might not be true
[21:34]	schestowitz-TR	ICBM fires LOADS of people
[21:34]	schestowitz-TR	but...
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR	the GREAT RESIGNATION
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR	GREAT RESIGNATION... up your arse! You're Fir^H^H^HGREAT RESIGNATION
[21:36]	schestowitz-TR	[21:27] <DaemonFC> More CNN bullshit.
[21:36]	schestowitz-TR	https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/24/cnn-plus-what-went-wrong-why-it-was-canceled.html
[21:36]	TR Bot	 CNN+: What went wrong and why it was canceled
[21:36]	schestowitz-TR	Gee, I wonder why
[21:36]	schestowitz-TR	at some point people switch off the oligarchs' brainwash
[21:36]	schestowitz-TR	then the worse ones buy TWITTER
[21:36]	schestowitz-TR	as a whole
[21:36]	schestowitz-TR	not like Gates buying "pieces" of him
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	along with head chopping oil tycoon from KSA
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	bbiab
[21:38]	schestowitz-TR	anyhow.... " it's a job seeker's market right now" so IF YOU ARE NOT EMPLOYED THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU!! SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP. Shrink at $100 an hour... oh, sorry, you have no income.... " it's a job seeker's market right now" for shrinks and people who give you anti-depressants along with other narcotics
[21:39]	schestowitz-TR	[15:05] <techrights-news> "the rate of antidepressant use in the United States increased nearly 400 percent." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/29/do-you-still-believe-in-the-chemical-imbalance-theory-of-mental-illness/ | Source: Counter Punch
[21:39]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/29/do-you-still-believe-in-the-chemical-imbalance-theory-of-mental-illness/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/29/do-you-still-believe-in-the-chemical-imbalance-theory-of-mental-illness/
[21:39]	TR Bot	You Still Believe in the Chemical Imbalance Theory of Mental Illness? - CounterPunch.org
[21:39]	psydruid	people signed up for the GREAT RESIGNATION
[21:39]	bnchs__	oh you're depressed
[21:39]	bnchs__	here take this drug
[21:39]	psydruid	and now they are resigned
[21:39]	bnchs__	it will supress your depression
[21:40]	schestowitz	join the metavers
[21:40]	schestowitz	ewhere everyone is a tycoon
[21:40]	schestowitz	everyone is rich with a million fakecoins to start
[21:40]	schestowitz	they call it "libra"
[21:41]	schestowitz	with your fakecoin libra you can buy virtual "sex" with "HEY HI" in the metaverse
[21:41]	schestowitz	while the oligarchs finish raking up all that's left of the capital;
[21:41]	schestowitz	all the homes (estate)
[21:41]	schestowitz	all the forests, now the land too is "owned", even nature
[21:41]	schestowitz	occupying space 
[21:42]	schestowitz	and getting 50 million patents per year
[21:42]	psydruid	21st century feudalism
[21:42]	schestowitz	for INNOVA~1 y'know...
[21:42]	psydruid	the world needs revolutions
[21:42]	schestowitz	[21:41] <schestowitz> occupying space 
[21:42]	schestowitz	all the physical spae
[21:42]	schestowitz	AND .... OUTER space
[21:42]	schestowitz	that's theirs too
[21:42]	schestowitz	no NASA
[21:42]	schestowitz	SpaceMuskX
[21:42]	schestowitz	(and he controls Twitter too, you know)
[21:42]	schestowitz	go post some "Activism" in Twitter
[21:43]	schestowitz	MuskinTape will slow it down when it gets effective
[21:43]	psydruid	s/world/universe/
[21:43]	schestowitz	"you're too effective, we paced/thorttled you down a bit"
[21:43]	schestowitz	for "national security"
[21:45]	TR News	OSI is already sold. Like "Linux" Foundation. The oligarchs bought and paid for both of them. RIP! Those institutions are now lobbying apparatuses for the billionaires, who use the Code of Conduct to ban people who criticise them https://www.freesoftwhere.org/2022/05/01/engaging-with-the-osi-elections-2022-1/
[21:45]	TR Bot	( status 500 @ https://www.freesoftwhere.org/2022/05/01/engaging-with-the-osi-elections-2022-1/ )
[21:45]	TR News	The EPOs faithful megaphone is still at it; not only does it promote European software patents as it also helps Benot Battistelli and Antnio Campinos promote fake news about the UPC http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/iam-the-faithful-megaphone/
[21:45]	TR Bot	 IAM: Paid by the EPOs Nepotism Club (Management) to Glorify Illegal Agenda (and in Turn Legitimise It, Imposing That on EPO Examiners) | Techrights
[21:45]	TR News	Antnio Campinos clearly doesnt give a "f" about his fathers work; he just used his fathers name, posthumously, to gain/secure positions of power at EUIPO and EPO http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/jorge-campinos-exploited/
[21:45]	TR Bot	 Antnio: The Antichrist of Jorge Campinos | Techrights
[21:46]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/05/01/geico-driveeasy-dings-safe-drivers-constantly-including-penalizing-for-avoiding-accidents-while-draining-phone-battery/
[21:46]	TR Bot	 GEICO DriveEasy dings safe drivers constantly. Including penalizing for avoiding accidents while draining phone battery. BaronHK's Rants
[21:46]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, ^
[21:48]	DaemonFC	"It also dinged me for not driving smoothly when I had to pull into the middle lane and let a police officer with his lights and siren on pass me on the tollway."
[21:49]	DaemonFC	"It obviously has no idea what in the hell is going on out there and that it's penalizing you for avoiding accidents and filing insurance claims that cost them money, and so if this is the best they've got, they need to yank it until they can do better."
● May 01
[22:23]	DaemonFC	"I'm not really sure whether I should send this through UPS. It is contaminated with gasoline fumes. The reason I wanted to return it is because it is actually incompatible with my vehicle and was causing "Check Gas Cap" errors from the computer, which went away when I installed an AC Delco gas cap."
[22:23]	DaemonFC	Me, to an Amazon support agent about the Gates gas cap.
[22:25]	DaemonFC	Usually when it's something cheap they can just give you a refund and tell you to throw away the merchandise. I can't imagine this is legal to mail at this point or that they could sell it to anyone else.
[22:25]	DaemonFC	Concentrated gas fumes can, of course, start a fire.
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[22:59]	matey	some of the things they give for depression make people feel homicidal
● May 01
[23:00]	matey	i used to know someone who felt like murdering people when he took certain antidepressants (mainstream ones)
[23:00]	matey	he felt better when he went off them
[23:00]	matey	i was not around when he was taking them...
[23:01]	matey	https://sourceforge.net/projects/adagate/  https://sourceforge.net/projects/adaventure/  https://castopod.org/  http://git.vitali64.duckdns.org/?p=utils/learn.git  http://git.vitali64.duckdns.org/?p=utils/seen.git  https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/scdoc  https://raf.org/danectl  http://people.tuebingen.mpg.de/maan/paraslash/  http://dfu-util.sourceforge.net/  
[23:01]	TR Bot	download | SourceForge.net
[23:01]	TR Bot	download | SourceForge.net
[23:01]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: sourceforge.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://sourceforge.net/projects/adagate/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://sourceforge.net/projects/adagate/
[23:01]	TR Bot	 Castopod by Ad Aures | Your Free & Open-source Podcast Host
[23:01]	TR Bot	Git - utils/learn.git/summary
[23:01]	TR Bot	Git - utils/seen.git/summary
[23:01]	TR Bot	 ~sircmpwn/scdoc - sourcehut git
[23:01]	TR Bot	 danectl
[23:01]	TR Bot	 Paraslash
[23:01]	TR Bot	 dfu-util Homepage
[23:01]	matey	actual free software from the past 2 months of free software directory updates
[23:01]	matey	nothing github-based afaik (this does not take dependencies into account)
[23:02]	matey	https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/scdoc <- this is manpages implemented in c99
[23:02]	matey	of interest to activelow perhaps
[23:02]	matey	hes probably seen it already
[23:02]	matey	i dont know what part requires c++ according to him
[23:02]	matey	i figure SOMETHING does, i dont know which part
[23:03]	matey	https://sourceforge.net/projects/adagate/  https://sourceforge.net/projects/adaventure <- these require ada, so thats probably github based (but the projects themselves are not)
[23:03]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: sourceforge.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://sourceforge.net/projects/adagate/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://sourceforge.net/projects/adagate/
[23:07]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=i_3yfyhmNc8
[23:07]	TR Bot	 God's Own Drunk - Invidious
[23:11]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/01/economy/summer-camp-cost-2022/index.html
[23:11]		-cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/01/economy/summer-camp-cost-2022/index.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/01/economy/summer-camp-cost-2022/index.html
[23:11]	TR Bot	camp costs surge in 2022 | CNN Business
[23:11]	DaemonFC	While more Americans can't afford a home to live in, CNN worries about how much "summer camp" will cost for "the kids" that people can no longer afford to have.
[23:12]	DaemonFC	<matey> some of the things they give for depression make people feel homicidal
[23:12]	DaemonFC	Antidepressants can make people do crazy shit.
[23:12]	DaemonFC	You'll never hear that from the doctors though.
[23:14]	matey	its something to think about when these idiots go on rampages 
[23:14]	matey	a lot of which is about ideology im sure, not chemicals
[23:15]	matey	the thing about factors though-- you can discount factors, until you miss the real cause. 
[23:15]	matey	people talk about antidepressants when some of the people go on rampages
[23:16]	matey	im sure its just lawyering sometimes. doing whatever you can for your client
[23:16]	matey	but if it happens often enough, maybe its actual date
[23:16]	matey	data
[23:16]	matey	and as you say, the industry isnt going to be too keen on saying "oh yes, our products make people more apt to kill people"
[23:16]	matey	i mean, the marketing department isnt going to greenlight that
[23:17]	matey	"going for that honesty dollar!"
[23:17]	matey	there IS NO honesty dollar
[23:17]	matey	there is only bullshit
[23:17]	matey	of course, im not anti-medication (per se) 
[23:17]	matey	i mean, if youre REALLY having that much trouble
[23:18]	matey	ive met people who definitely have higher-quality lives on pharmaceuticals than without them
[23:18]	matey	its just
[23:18]	matey	when its an industry, their job is to maximise profits
[23:18]	matey	not well-being
[23:18]	matey	saying its a conflict of interest and an ethical issue is sort of an understatement
[23:18]	matey	fuck industry
[23:19]	matey	i should say when its industry under capitalism, the goal is to maximise profits
[23:19]	matey	maybe if you take the latter away
[23:20]	matey	no ones keen on that, and by no one, i mean not most people
[23:20]	matey	stallman is an economic reformer
[23:20]	matey	hes wants a less-broken broken system
[23:20]	matey	exactly what open source wants from free software
[23:21]	matey	reform is the inbred cousin of revolution
[23:22]	matey	he knows how to get action but he only shoots blanks
[23:22]	matey	or worse
[23:32]	bnchs__	am i interjecting in a monologue
[23:33]	matey	 :)
[23:33]	psydruid	refuse/resist/reform
[23:33]	matey	itc irc
[23:33]	matey	its irc
[23:33]	matey	interjecting is what irc is for
[23:33]	matey	also its a rant, not a monologue :)
[23:33]	bnchs__	oh
[23:34]	matey	 monologue is a diplomatic word for describing a rant :)
[23:36]	bnchs__	!help
[23:38]	matey	no one can help you now
[23:38]	matey	...
[23:38]	bnchs__	!license
[23:38]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=SECVGN4Bsgg
[23:38]	TR Bot	 Men At Work - Who Can It Be Now? (Video Version) - Invidious
[23:38]	bnchs__	damn cmd is disabled on TechrightsBot-tr 
[23:39]	matey	even though i know other songs of theirs
[23:39]	matey	i always thought this was by huey lewis :)
[23:39]	bnchs__	hey cameron1 altlink guy
[23:40]	cameron1	https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/57
[23:40]	TR Bot	 hey altlink guy (#57) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
[23:40]	bnchs__	bruh
[23:40]	psydruid	cameron1 you are so cool with your instant responses
[23:40]	cameron1	https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/58
[23:40]	TR Bot	 you are so cool with your instant responses (#58) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
[23:40]	psydruid	lol
[23:41]	matey	cameron1 help im being held hostage by a chatbot
[23:41]	cameron1	https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/59
[23:41]	TR Bot	 help im being held hostage by a chatbot (#59) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
[23:41]	matey	 :D
[23:41]	bnchs__	also i finished the cloudflare detection on the phirce bot
[23:41]	matey	add a way to get issues from people mentioning it in chat :)
[23:42]	bnchs__	if only roy has a issue tracker
[23:42]	matey	but also make it so they can delete the issue
[23:42]	matey	cameron1 my lawyers have requested you delete this issue on grounds of copyright violation and defamation!
[23:42]	cameron1	https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/60
[23:42]	TR Bot	 my lawyers have requested you delete this issue on grounds of copyright violation and defamation! (#60) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
[23:43]	matey	only joking, you know i love you
[23:43]	bnchs__	have you told it your feelings for it?
[23:44]	matey	cameron1 i love you lets run away from this place
[23:44]	cameron1	https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/61
[23:44]	TR Bot	 i love you lets run away from this place (#61) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
[23:44]	bnchs__	the altlink guy is gonna talk through the bot
[23:44]	bnchs__	just wait
[23:44]	matey	this is the most trolling ive done of a repo in... 
[23:44]	matey	well, ever
[23:44]	MinceR	lol
[23:45]	matey	i hope the altlink guy knows its his bot i love, not him
[23:45]	matey	(that would be weird)
[23:45]	matey	.bef 
[23:45]	bnchs__	no that would be uhhhh
[23:45]	matey	.justfriends
[23:45]	bnchs__	let's just say, GAY
[23:46]	matey	NO ONE UNDERSTANDS OUR LOVE!
[23:46]	matey	BUT I DONT CARE!
[23:46]	bnchs__	nice
[23:47]	MinceR	"Only my weapon understands me!"
[23:47]	matey	the companion cube is your only friend...
[23:47]	bnchs__	but the companion cube can't talk?
[23:47]	matey	its the strong silent type
[23:47]	matey	also heavy
[23:48]	bnchs__	i think i know someone else who's a strong silent type
[23:49]	matey	/me is silent on the inside
[23:50]	bnchs__	also has to do with a research facility operated by a corporation we hate >:(
[23:50]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gq8snFSEwlU
[23:50]	TR Bot	 432Hz - 3 Hour Crystal Singing Bowl Healing Sound Bath (4K, No Talking) - Singing Bowls - Sound Bath - Invidious
[23:50]	bnchs__	fuck black mesa
[23:51]	matey	432hz silence is way more peaceful than the all the other frequencies of silence ;)
[23:51]	bnchs__	yes i don't wanna hear the humming of my LED light
[23:52]	bnchs__	that i'm scared it's gonna cause a house fire one day
[23:52]	MinceR	teach it the lyrics, then :>
[23:52]	matey	/me asks linda fiorentino to teach it the lyrics
[23:55]	matey	/me thinks the idea of gary shandling and annette benning making a romantic comedy that no woman would ever tolerate is next to brilliant
[23:55]	matey	or possibly across the train tracks from brilliant, i dont know
[23:56]	matey	its probably avant garde
[23:56]	matey	or maybe just idiot savant
[23:57]	matey	but if all else fails-- SIR BEN kingsley!
[23:57]	psydruid	Gandhi Ji
[23:58]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jyrONsewQW8
[23:58]	TR Bot	 Gandhi vs Martin Luther King Jr. Epic Dance Battles of History - Invidious
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[23:59]	bnchs__	got dang it
[23:59]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wise-2
[23:59]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Wise
[23:59]		-bnchsbot/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Wise
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