●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, August 01, 2022 ●●
● Aug 01
[00:01]	TR News	This is predominantly a Microsoft Windows issue https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/news/252523341/Coveware-Median-ransom-payments-dropped-51-in-Q2
[00:01]	TR Bot	 Coveware: Median ransom payments dropped 51% in Q2
[00:02]	TR News	SSH2 vs. SSH1 and why SSH versions still matter https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/tip/An-introduction-to-SSH2
[00:02]	TR Bot	 SSH2 vs. SSH1 and why SSH versions still matter
[00:09]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/enginomics
[00:09]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Enginomics
[00:26]	DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food
[00:26]	TR Bot	 Eating your own dog food - Wikipedia
[00:26]	DaemonFC	" Coca-Cola allowing no Pepsi products in corporate offices"
[00:26]	DaemonFC	Pour a Pepsi into an empty Coke bottle and take it with you.
[00:28]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], Don Melton recently said he switched to Windows from a Mac to use WSL.
[00:30]	DaemonFC	https://donmelton.com/2021/01/17/my-traitorous-move-to-windows/
[00:30]	TR Bot	 My traitorous move to Windows
[00:30]	DaemonFC	:/
[00:30]	DaemonFC	I was considering installing Rocky Linux 9 on the old laptop.
[00:30]	DaemonFC	Just to give it a quick rundown and see how usable it is as a desktop.
[00:30]	DaemonFC	I think they said this release is supported through 2039 or something.
[00:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	hi, DaemonFC 
[00:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	catching up
[00:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's august, I had to do many end of month tasks
[00:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	Rocky Linux is not for desk/laptops
[00:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	it can be used for that
[00:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	but there are better options
[00:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	you will miss many packages
[00:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: 18 months ago is "recently "?
[00:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	Also, who is this Don guy?
[00:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	used Apple
[00:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	so likely not good technically
[00:32]	DaemonFC	He used to work at Apple leading the development of Safari.
[00:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	moving TO Windows for the circus known as "WSL" makes him look no better
[00:33]	DaemonFC	He's the one that announced Webkit to the KDE developers.
[00:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	so Apple culitist
[00:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	<DaemonFC> " Coca-Cola allowing no Pepsi products in corporate offices"
[00:33]	DaemonFC	I was reading some of his older posts about developing Safari in secret.
[00:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's like Linux Foundation now allowing Macs :-)
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	Safari is a dying browser
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	it cannot keep up
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	WebKit is outdated
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	the web is a joke
[00:34]	DaemonFC	He said what really terrified him was that Apple reserved a huge block of IP addresses so basically anything starting with 17. was known to be Apple.
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	and safari will need to become chrome clone
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	just to let Apple cultists still access many stes
[00:34]	DaemonFC	So they had to rig internal versions of Safari to say it was Microsoft Internet Explorer or a Mozilla browser while at work.
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	they say safari is the new ie6
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	brb
[00:35]	DaemonFC	They didn't do much user agent testing until it was close to being announced because they didn't want anyone to connect everything that was going on and figure out what Safari must be before Steve Jobs announced it.
[00:35]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR2]> WebKit is outdated
[00:35]	DaemonFC	Most of the missing HTML5 features are not real important or are REFUSED anyway.
[00:35]	DaemonFC	Google packs as many things into that spec as it can from Chrome.
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	we plan to move more stuff to gemini
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	et al
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	for tthat,, we made a new CMS
[00:37]	DaemonFC	I'm using LibreWolf, SeaMonkey, and GNOME Web. It's sort of a nightmare to keep this all together.
[00:37]	DaemonFC	I like SeaMonkey Mail and News.
[00:37]	DaemonFC	GNOME Web has the best integration with my operating system and the best looking site layout.
[00:37]	DaemonFC	And LibreWolf supports Firefox extensions and WebRTC for the occasion I need to make a video call.
[00:38]	DaemonFC	I like the text rendering in GNOME Web. It may be something from Webkit or it might be something the GTK port does.
[00:39]	DaemonFC	It's probably from Webkit. Apple puts most of their effort into what things "look like".
[00:39]	DaemonFC	I don't think WebkitGTK is a bad Web engine as these things go, or certainly not the worst.
[00:39]	DaemonFC	Gecko and Chromium are both a bloated mess.
[00:40]	DaemonFC	Gecko has so much Rust in it now that compiling it is about as straightforward a proposal as compiling Chromium.
[00:40]	DaemonFC	Mozilla's propaganda about Rust is irritating. They make it sound like they couldn't make a CSS renderer or Compositor that performed well in C or C++.
[00:41]	DaemonFC	Most of the performance issued Mozilla had with that had nothing to do with C or C++, but more to do with the fact that they were the oldest implementation out there, dating back into the 1990s.
[00:41]	DaemonFC	They had been kept "modern enough" to work, but not performance optimized.
[00:41]	TR News	"This new version of re-search.py adds a regex for UNCs to the library and has a Python 3 fix." https://blog.didierstevens.com/2022/07/24/update-re-search-py-version-0-0-21/
[00:41]	TR Bot	 Update: re-search.py Version 0.0.21 | Didier Stevens
[00:42]	DaemonFC	You can see the jank that "Project Quantum" blog posts talked about when comparing something like scrolling a page against old versions of Gecko, but not with GNOME Web, which is at least as smooth as "Firefox Quantum".
[00:44]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], Webkit didn't really so much "port" KHTML away from Qt as it did abstract some Qt APIs that KHTML was using at the time.
[00:45]	DaemonFC	It was easier to create the KWQ library and let all of the internal Qt dependencies use that, than it would have been to go digging out all of the dependencies.
[00:45]	TR News	https://cacm.acm.org/opinion/articles/262914-when-should-a-black-box-be-transparent/fulltext
[00:45]	TR Bot	 When Should a Black Box Be Transparent? | Opinion | Communications of the ACM
[00:46]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], As long as Rocky Linux supports Flatpaks, you can selectively use those.
[00:47]	DaemonFC	They likely don't package an RPM of GNOME Web anyway, but I know there's a Flatpak of it.
[00:47]	DaemonFC	Red Hat tends not to package software they don't officially support. My guess is you'll need EPEL, RPM Fusion, and Flatpak.
[00:48]	phanes	i dont understand why anyone is using flatpak at all
[00:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	laziness
[00:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	not wanting to package things
[00:49]	phanes	its dangerous to use
[00:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	container mindset
[00:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	"could not be bothered... here's a big bag of binaries"
[00:50]	phanes	yeah im just saying, for a community so concerned about turning on anything with "security" in its product name, they sure are overlooking something fairly obvious to anyone
[00:50]	phanes	snapd is even worse
[00:51]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR2]> "could not be bothered... here's a big bag of binaries"
[00:51]	DaemonFC	What's the alternative?
[00:52]	DaemonFC	The author of the program individually installing over 100 distros and compiling separate packages for all of them?
[00:52]	phanes	^
[00:52]	phanes	no
[00:52]	phanes	but yes
[00:52]	DaemonFC	They all have their own policies. You can't expect the distributions to automatically take your program and package it.
[00:52]	phanes	let distros manage their own packages if they wont standardize on a package format
[00:53]	DaemonFC	Red Hat lawyers will decide what's in Fedora.
[00:53]	phanes	keyword: distros not developers
[00:53]	DaemonFC	If you want to give your user a nice Nintendo emulator, RH is not going to package it.
[00:53]	DaemonFC	RPM Fusion builds whatever the hell they feel like.
[00:53]	DaemonFC	Sometimes it's there, sometimes it isn't.
[00:54]	DaemonFC	They sometimes play favorites and choose software I don't like very much and then say the better program would be "redundant".
[00:56]	MinceR	01 015219 < DaemonFC> The author of the program individually installing over 100 distros and compiling separate packages for all of them?
[00:56]	MinceR	the author packaging their binaries in a way that doesn't suck
[00:56]	MinceR	see xonotic as an example
[00:57]	TR News	Linux Mint 21 Vanessa' released, available in Cinnamon, MATE, and Xfce flavours http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167848#comment-34471
[00:57]	TR Bot	 New Release of Linux Mint (3 Flavours) | Tux Machines
[00:57]	MinceR	iirc virtualbox was packaged well, too
[00:58]	TR News	"He also notes that the next kernel is likely to be 6.0." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167861#comment-34470
[00:58]	TR Bot	 Linux Kernel 5.19 Officially Released, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines
[00:58]	matey	 <phanes> snapd is even worse <- yes because it gives ubuntu a monopoly
[00:58]	matey	flatpak gives that monopoly to ibm instead
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[00:59]	matey	and ubuntu gives it to microsoft
[00:59]	matey	but flatpak also fucks the user in nasty android-like ways. i wouldnt use either of htem
[00:59]	matey	is this my computer, or yours
● Aug 01
[01:00]	matey	"we are just borrowing it?"
[01:00]	matey	oh yeah, until when?
[01:00]	matey	"for as long as you use flatpak or snapd"
[01:02]	TR News	People of WordPress: Carla Doria https://wordpress.org/news/2022/07/people-of-wordpress-carla-doria/
[01:02]	TR Bot	 People of WordPress: Carla Doria WordPress News
[01:02]	matey	appimage, probably dead by now, seems the least offensive of these
[01:02]	matey	granted someone likes macs
[01:02]	matey	it almost looks like a package system. the other two are package cults
[01:04]	TR News	Q4OS 4.10 is out https://q4os.org/blog.html
[01:04]	TR Bot	 Q4OS - desktop operating system
[01:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: vendor lockin
[01:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	hence mint rejects snaps
[01:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	and goes out of iuts way to make it hard to add support for it
[01:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	while making LMDE
[01:05]	DaemonFC	AppImage has a program to update your other AppImages.
[01:05]	DaemonFC	That at least makes it better than Windows or a Mac.
[01:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	Mark Shuttleworth (MS) learned from MSFR
[01:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	*MSFT
[01:06]	DaemonFC	Mark Shuttleworth 2004: Bug 1: Microsoft has a monopoly.
[01:06]	TR News	"Sorry, SPVM continues to undergo heavy changes. After building real-world modules and applications, I realized that a lot of changes needed to be made. You can see what I'm currently working on below." http://blogs.perl.org/users/yuki_kimoto/2022/08/spvm-continues-to-undergo-heavy-changes.html
[01:06]	DaemonFC	Mark Shuttleworth 2022: Don't bother leaving Microsoft. Just use WSL. It's terrific!
[01:06]	TR Bot	continues to undergo heavy changes. | Yuki Kimoto Perl Blog - Perl Club [blogs.perl.org]
[01:06]	TR News	Czkawka is Your Swiss Knife For Cleaning Files on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167869 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/31/Czkawka_is_Your_Swiss_Knife_For_Cleaning_Files_on_Linux.shtml
[01:06]	TR Bot	 Czkawka is Your Swiss Knife For Cleaning Files on Linux | Tux Machines
[01:06]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Czkawka is Your Swiss Knife For Cleaning Files on Linux
[01:07]	DaemonFC	Microsoft 2001: Linux is a cancer. Microsoft 2022: Use Snaps, they're amazing! We package all of our software for Snaps!
[01:08]	TR News	diaspora* version 0.7.18.0 released! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167870 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/diaspora_version_0.7.18.0_released!.shtml
[01:08]	TR Bot	 diaspora* version 0.7.18.0 released! | Tux Machines
[01:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines diaspora* version 0.7.18.0 released!
[01:09]	matey	 <schestowitz[TR2]> matey: vendor locki
[01:09]	matey	that too
[01:11]	MinceR	does AppImage need to be updated?
[01:12]	matey	https://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Librethreat_Database#Appliance-like_Distributions
[01:12]	TR Bot	 Librethreat Database - Techrights
[01:12]	matey	<MinceR> does AppImage need to be updated <- appimage doesnt count for anything unless people use it
[01:12]	matey	and everyone seems to do systemd-flatpakd
[01:13]	matey	if it was used, im sure it would be updated
[01:13]	matey	if its not used, its moot
[01:13]	matey	like whats the point of apt if nothing is packaged for it
[01:14]	matey	/me never even hears about appimage anymore, its mostly useful for comparison 
[01:24]	matey	i might even dispute phanes on this and say flatpak is intended to prevent people from forking systemd and making it only init/zombie process manager
[01:25]	matey	though really, its like microsoft word-- every feature is meant to keep you from removing it
[01:25]	matey	the main thing that kept people using mozilla wasnt mozilla, it was some plugin
[01:25]	matey	eventually mozilla sabotaged their plugin system enough that people lost the one thing keeping them using mozilla anyway
[01:26]	matey	granted it wasnt that they moved to an arguably better system
[01:26]	matey	it was the way they broke the legs of any plugin that didnt get rewritten 
[01:26]	matey	thanks, i wasnt using that or anything
[01:27]	matey	fuck mozilla
[01:36]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> and goes out of iuts way to make it hard to add support for it <- that could just be linux mint sucking off flatpak imo
[01:36]	matey	like keeping people from snap is good
[01:37]	matey	doing it just to help flatpak monopoly, ehh
[01:37]	matey	maybe ibm is a sponsor, who knows
[01:37]	matey	debian certainly held their ankles for systemd
[01:38]	matey	(whether standing or laying down)
[01:38]	matey	i would say laying down, debian doesnt stand for anything at all
[01:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	Ariadne: is port 1965 not open on hv or the container?
[01:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	I cannot seem to reach over gemini, no matter what I try
[01:55]	Ariadne	theres no firewall on the hv
[01:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	thanks, I try another approach 
[01:56]	AdmFubar	https://lifehacker.com/how-retail-stores-track-you-using-your-smartphone-and-827512308?fbclid=IwAR3WLRrYaHL77CWFnvn0zMzSUK95_jWGqXvhckJuSurQ5szxbLsVtSc6KiI
[01:56]	TR Bot	 How Retail Stores Track You Using Your Smartphone (and How to Stop It)
[01:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's easy
[01:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	don't carry one
[01:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[01:59]	MinceR	or don't go to any retail stores
● Aug 01
[02:00]	matey	no retail stores?
[02:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	or do not exist
[02:01]	MinceR	or ensure that others don't exist
[02:02]	AdmFubar	just turn off your wifi
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[02:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	MinceR: : all the above
[02:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	no you, no others, no retail stores, no mobile phones
[02:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	planet bliss
[02:06]	DaemonFC	https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/19255462/182025697-e476df53-6b2d-48be-ac33-4065be251804.png
[02:06]	DaemonFC	Google Safe Browsing now says the GitHub page with MS Edge Redirect is "malware".
[02:07]	MinceR	they're probably right
[02:07]	DaemonFC	Firefox now blocks it.
[02:07]	MinceR	shithub does have malware on it
[02:07]	MinceR	e.g. systemd
[02:09]	DaemonFC	https://github.com/AveYo/fox/blob/main/Edge_Removal.bat
[02:09]	TR Bot	at main AveYo/fox GitHub
[02:09]	DaemonFC	There's a batch script that removes Edge from Windows 10 and 11.
[02:11]	matey	flatpak too
[02:11]	matey	which i suppose like most things is systemd
[02:12]	matey	after i found out they had taken over home directories, i remove all my home directories just to be safe
[02:12]	matey	im not using gnu/linux but you cant be too careful (ok obviously this is a stupid joke)
[02:12]	matey	(but hey, so is systemd)
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[02:17]	MinceR	:>
[02:22]	matey	Fortunately, Lennart went beyond that initial idea, and systemd-homed has essentially turned into a new way of doing user management (including remotely mountable CIFS shares!). Which, of course, breaks the essentials of Unix tradition (no /etc/passwd, JSON, etc) and people is going to hate him forever for that reason. level 2 2 yr. ago
[02:23]	phanes	that just really can never be adopted by a serious distribution
[02:23]	matey	systemd-homed cannot be disabled Issue #15083 - GitHub
[02:24]	matey	just go ahead and give lennart root access to everyones computer
[02:24]	matey	he will sort it all out
[02:24]	matey	you can trust him, after all hes not the biggest wanker in the complete history of free software
[02:24]	matey	/me would probably trust hans reiser slightly more
[02:25]	matey	"keys to my house? sure, why not?"
[02:26]	matey	he didnt sign the anti-stallman letter but he made fun of people for supporting him
[02:27]	matey	systemd has EXACTLY the same attitude about these things that microsoft does
[02:27]	matey	1. break what isnt broken
[02:27]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D309.jpg
[02:27]	matey	2. implement it TERRIBLY
[02:27]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D660.jpg
[02:27]	matey	3. force people to use it
[02:27]	matey	4. blame everyone else
[02:28]	matey	what does this have to do with free software? this is exactly what free software was supposed to stand against
[02:28]	matey	fsf: erm, uhhhhhh, i dunno...
[02:28]	matey	stallman: has it got a free license? a free license means you can fix it!
[02:29]	matey	"hey there, im gonna break your legs. but this comes with a free license, so YOU can FIX it!"
[02:29]	TR News	"The obvious use cases for fault-tolerant computers are when maintenance or repairs are extremely hard to do (spacecraft) or when failures are extremely costly (nuclear power plants)." https://matt-rickard.com/fault-tolerant-design/
[02:29]	TR Bot	( status 308 @ https://matt-rickard.com/fault-tolerant-design/ )
[02:29]	matey	gpl software: the software thats LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to sabtage even if you try really hard!
[02:29]	matey	/me waves fsf flag
[02:30]	matey	granted id still recommend gnu/linux over windows
[02:30]	matey	its just that the fsf isnt doing shit to maintain the distinction, and the distinction is getting more narrow (has been for years)
[02:31]	matey	fsf: we literally dont have a clue
[02:31]	TR News	"Quantum computers made from imperfect diamonds could stop themselves from overheating just by running an algorithm. Most quantum machines must be kept at low temperatures, but algorithmic cooling might allow quantum computers to perform well at room temperature in the future." https://www.newscientist.com/article/2326916-quantum-computer-cools-itself-down-by-performing-calculations/
[02:31]	TR Bot	 Quantum computer cools itself down by performing calculations | New Scientist
[02:31]	matey	our hands are tied! but we made a video
[02:31]	matey	its got giants eating people!
[02:31]	matey	which is basically what happened to the fsf...
[02:31]	matey	dont worry, hopping through a cave on a pogo stick will help!
[02:32]	matey	"but i can fly"
[02:32]	matey	but pogo sticks are FUN!"
[02:32]	matey	"did get hungry in the cave and eat those mushrooms?"
[02:32]	matey	"yeah, right before we found the pogo sticks"
[02:32]	matey	"okay, cool"
[02:33]	matey	probably explains why they could fly too
[02:33]	TR News	Energy wasted on pyramid schemes https://venturebeat.com/2022/07/24/does-the-engineering-world-need-to-care-about-nfts-and-blockchain/
[02:33]	TR Bot	the engineering world need to care about NFTs and blockchain? | VentureBeat
[02:34]	TR News	Long Hiatus: Emacs Upgrades https://two-wrongs.com/long-hiatus-emacs-upgrades
[02:34]	TR Bot	 Long Hiatus: Emacs Upgrades
[02:36]	TR News	Docker Slim - Earthly Blog https://earthly.dev/blog/docker-slim/ Source: earthly | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//earthly.dev/blog/docker-slim/
[02:36]	TR Bot	 Docker Slim - Earthly Blog
[02:36]	TR News	Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-310722.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-310722.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-310722.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-310722.txt
[02:36]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, July 31, 2022
[02:37]	TR News	When media is just lobbying https://michaelwest.com.au/triumph-of-the-teals-a-media-love-in-rolls-on/
[02:37]	TR Bot	 Triumph of the Teals: a media love-in rolls on - Michael West
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[02:37]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, July 31, 2022
[02:37]	DaemonFC	https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-apple-tells-if-youve-dropped-your-iphone-into-water/
[02:37]	TR Bot	how Apple tells if you've dropped your iPhone into water | ZDNet
[02:37]	DaemonFC	If the phone is waterproof, why do they have warranty-voiding stickers inside that turn red when water has been in the phone?
[02:38]	TR News	"What are my thoughts on this? Its never happening! I didnt start a personal blog, so Id be posting here random content from random sources. My blog, my thoughts, my rules. I dont care about making money out of my blog - I care only about writing down my thoughts and sharing them with the world." https://batsov.com/articles/2022/07/25/a-note-about-guest-posts/
[02:38]	TR Bot	 A Note About Guest Posts - (think)
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[02:38]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, July 31, 2022
[02:38]	MinceR	because it's apple
[02:39]	MinceR	and the people apple looks down upon the most are apple's customers
[02:39]	MinceR	rightfully so
[02:39]	ulf	FSF and RMS are dishonest
[02:39]	TR News	"Promises of a kinder, gentler politics are the stock-in-trade of new governments. Tony Abbott boasted that the adults are back in charge when he won government in 2013." https://michaelwest.com.au/theres-a-new-sheriff-in-town-and-43-into-47-will-go/
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[02:39]	TR Bot	 There's a new sheriff in town (and 43 into 47 will go) - Michael West
[02:39]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, July 31, 2022
[02:39]	ulf	the smear campaign against RMS, distracted from whatever else they did
[02:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	ulf: hi aggi
[02:39]	MinceR	"if you still buy our products, you deserve what you get."
[02:39]	ulf	schestowitz[TR2]: aggi?
[02:40]	matey	<ulf> FSF and RMS are dishonest <- about what?
[02:40]	matey	oh, its you
[02:40]	MinceR	it's probably activelow
[02:40]	ulf	activelow?
[02:40]	ulf	no clue
[02:40]	matey	i vas born in dusseldorf! und that is why they call me ulf!
[02:40]	ulf	FSF and RMS are dishonest about their software quality
[02:40]	matey	mmhmm
[02:40]	TR News	Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-07-31.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-07-31.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
[02:41]	matey	welcome back 
[02:41]	ulf	with this smear campaign, they can victimize themselves now;
[02:42]	ulf	oh, feel compassion, for those liars and cheaters.
[02:42]	XRevan86	I sure love a good GCC update with the new C++ features.
[02:42]	matey	its springtime, for hitler, and germany!
[02:42]	ulf	this is what they're really good at: marketing and campaigning
[02:43]	matey	thats true, they have pivoted to marketing
[02:43]	matey	they used to be activists
[02:43]	XRevan86	matey: TinyCC-inator
[02:43]	ulf	to sell IBM Wintel shitware
[02:43]	matey	 i cc what you did there
[02:44]	TR News	Stop calling everything HEY HI https://techxplore.com/news/2022-07-irony-machine-ai.html
[02:44]	TR Bot	 Irony machine: Why are AI researchers teaching computers to recognize irony?
[02:44]	matey	/me personally thinks the smear campaign was uglier than the fsf giving up and becoming a shadow of their former selves
[02:45]	TR News	HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI https://cacm.acm.org/opinion/articles/262682-could-ai-replace-therapists/fulltext
[02:45]	TR Bot	 Could AI Replace Therapists? | Opinion | Communications of the ACM
[02:45]	matey	granted im no fan of the occupation, if anything its a fraud
[02:45]	TR News	Surveillance is not HEY HI! https://venturebeat.com/2022/07/18/how-cornerstone-ai-is-making-data-right-for-healthcare-industry/ HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI!
[02:45]	TR Bot	Cornerstone AI is making data right for healthcare industry | VentureBeat
[02:45]	matey	the source code provided a level of transparency you cant sanely handwave away with "they liked about quality"
[02:45]	matey	unless of course, youve been huffing sixels all day
[02:46]	ulf	sixels?
[02:46]	matey	s/liked/lied
[02:46]	matey	ja doktor, sixels
[02:47]	TR News	"I connected each one to the AC power supply (120V 60Hz) and used a powermeter (GPM 8310, resolution 0,1 W) to measure the standby power consumption over 24 hours." https://blog.didierstevens.com/2022/07/25/quickpost-standby-power-consumption-of-my-usb-chargers-120v-vs-230v/
[02:47]	TR Bot	 Quickpost: Standby Power Consumption Of My USB Chargers (120V vs 230V) | Didier Stevens
[02:47]	matey	maybe he has a cousin in berlin
[02:47]	matey	who isnt as familiar with his work
[02:47]	TR News	"TCP's role is to ensure reliable transmission of packets. TCP is used on top of the Internet Protocol and they are commonly referred to as the TCP/IP suite. When a packet is sent over the internet, the data portion of an IP packet is wrapped in a TCP segment." https://sysadmin-journal.com/what-is-tls-encryption-and-how-does-it-secure-your-internet-communication/
[02:48]	TR Bot	 What is TLS encryption and how does it secure your internet communication?
[02:48]	TR News	The problem is access to food, that people dont have money to pay for food, that people are jobless. https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/23/food_crisis_sanctions_russia_ukraine_climate
[02:48]	TR Bot	 Food Shortage or Economic Crisis? Experts Say Poverty & Capitalism Are Real Drivers of Global Hunger | Democracy Now!
[02:49]	ulf	does FSF still "endorse" various of those "distros" with shitd init?
[02:49]	ulf	go for it, get a "RYF" certified IBM Wintel shittop.
[02:50]	matey	and would be baph-led by the running jokes
[02:50]	matey	i personally think sixels sound cool, i just didnt expect them to become a Core Feature of the greatest importance
[02:50]	matey	like This is the ultimately hallmark of quality!
[02:50]	matey	sixel support!
[02:50]	matey	without that, its barely even linux
[02:50]	matey	linux: its like fsf/rms/gnu, but with QUALITY
[02:50]	TR News	Surveillance at scale... in a large island https://sysadmin-journal.com/how-much-space-is-required-to-store-2-mins-of-data-captured-from-all-internet-traffic-in-mauritius/
[02:50]	TR Bot	 How much space is required to store 2 mins of data captured from all internet traffic in Mauritius?
[02:51]	TR News	Facebook and Anti-Abortion Clinics Are Collecting Highly Sensitive Info on Would-Be Patients - Reveal https://revealnews.org/article/facebook-data-abortion-crisis-pregnancy-center/ Source: revealnews | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//revealnews.org/article/facebook-data-abortion-crisis-pregnancy-center/
[02:51]	TR Bot	 Facebook and Anti-Abortion Clinics Are Collecting Highly Sensitive Info on Would-Be Patients - Reveal
[02:51]	MinceR	i'm not sure if the fsf endorses any distro without cancerd in it
[02:52]	TR News	Survival Analysis For Customer Retention https://two-wrongs.com/survival-analysis-for-customer-retention Source: two-wrongs | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//two-wrongs.com/survival-analysis-for-customer-retention
[02:52]	TR Bot	 Survival Analysis For Customer Retention
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[02:53]	DaemonFC	GNOME is adding OneDrive support to Files.
[02:53]	TR News	"I say most, because it seemed to attract more trolls than anything Ive written in a long time." https://rubenerd.com/qa-about-my-new-nw-a55-walkman/
[02:53]	TR Bot	Q&A about my NW-A55 Walkman
[02:54]	MinceR	got to continue serving their idols at MICROS~1
[02:54]	DaemonFC	https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-online-accounts/-/merge_requests/97#note_1511365
[02:54]	TR Bot	 Add Microsoft Graph support (!97) Merge requests GNOME / gnome-online-accounts GitLab
[02:54]	DaemonFC	"Add MS Graph API provider to enable initial O365 integration (files).
[02:54]	DaemonFC	"
[02:55]	TR News	The Dutton-proof fence has got a hole in it (got a hole in it) - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/the-dutton-proof-fence-has-got-a-hole-in-it-got-a-hole-in-it/ Source: michaelwest | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/the-dutton-proof-fence-has-got-a-hole-in-it-got-a-hole-in-it/
[02:55]	TR Bot	 The Dutton-proof fence has got a hole in it (got a hole in it) - Michael West
[02:55]	DaemonFC	https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-online-accounts/-/issues/9
[02:55]	TR Bot	 Add support for Office365 (#9) Issues GNOME / gnome-online-accounts GitLab
[02:55]	DaemonFC	Messias Junior @messiaslima.03 5 days ago
[02:55]	DaemonFC	Is this related to these ones? #9 #59 #102 #163 Does it solves any of them?
[02:56]	DaemonFC	n-Michael Brummer @jbrummer 5 days ago
[02:56]	DaemonFC	Author
[02:56]	DaemonFC	Developer
[02:56]	DaemonFC	Yes it will. At first run I've only implemented OneDrive support in my lib, but we are going to extend it.
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[02:56]	TR News	"RuboCops motto has always been The Ruby Linter that Serves and Protects.1 Now, with the addition of a server mode in RuboCop 1.31 that motto is truer than ever! But first - a bit of background." https://metaredux.com/posts/2022/07/26/rubocop-serves-much-faster.html
[02:56]	TR Bot	 RuboCop Serves (Much) Faster | Meta Redux
[02:56]	matey	<MinceR> i'm not sure if the fsf endorses any distro without cancerd in it <- guix makes claims, but then they made claims about stallman too
[02:57]	matey	they dont use cancerd, they use elogind on github
[02:57]	matey	their own fork of elogind-- from github. on github.
[02:57]	matey	then gnu shepherd uses this
[02:57]	matey	a fully free distro with microsoft at its core
[02:57]	TR News	"The protagonist is a microcosm for the world, and their job is to spin around and around, until they propel the world through a single full revolution, giving us a complete, 360 view of the social speculation embodied by the world." https://pluralistic.net/2022/07/26/aislands/#dead-ringers
[02:57]	TR Bot	 Pluralistic: 26 Jul 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
[02:58]	bnchs	fsf does endorse parabola/hyperbola
[02:58]	matey	roy said they handed leadership to someone else
[02:58]	bnchs	i'm gonna install funtoo
[02:58]	matey	but the someone else was also a signer
[02:58]	matey	<bnchs> fsf does endorse parabola/hyperbola <- i was getting to this
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[02:58]	matey	hyperbola is fsf-approved
[02:58]	matey	they tried to do like devuan but fully free
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[02:59]	matey	now they try to redo openbsd, i think its a great idea
[02:59]	matey	hyperbola is the last thing connected (barely) to the fsf and its approval process that isnt a joke
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[02:59]	TR News	Crash tackled by reality: when your morality is my poison - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/crash-tackled-by-reality-when-your-morality-is-my-poison/ Source: michaelwest | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/crash-tackled-by-reality-when-your-morality-is-my-poison/
[02:59]	TR Bot	 Crash tackled by reality: when your morality is my poison - Michael West
[02:59]	matey	instead, its just unlikely. but i wish them well
[02:59]	matey	i would sack everyone except rms and the hyperbola people
[02:59]	DaemonFC	MinceR, I just checked and Microsoft Outlook still redirects GNOME Web to a fallback site.
[02:59]	matey	and call that the fsf
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[03:00]	matey	and that would be better than what is there
[03:00]	DaemonFC	They've updated it though. It doesn't look like Hotmail in 1999 anymore.
[03:00]	matey	im not saying there arent good people at the fsf
[03:00]	matey	im saying any good people are ineffectual
[03:00]	matey	and it would be better to have a clean slate than an occupation
[03:00]	matey	so keep rms, send in hyperbola, scrap the rest
[03:00]	matey	or keep the mountain of shit thats there now
[03:00]	matey	seems like an easy choice
[03:00]	matey	would never happen-- bylaws, obviously
[03:01]	phanes	if they reduce to one project it'll look like theyre dying from the outside
[03:01]	matey	theyll hang themselves with their own bylaws
[03:01]	matey	<phanes> if they reduce to one project it'll look like theyre dying from the outside <- thats not untrue
[03:01]	matey	but im talking about people, not projects (granted, it the people FROM a project)
[03:01]	matey	what i mean is that the hyperbola people clearly care about freedom
[03:01]	matey	or theyre just insane. but imo they care
[03:02]	matey	and imo the fsf looks like its dying anyway
[03:02]	phanes	those arent mutually exclusive things
[03:02]	matey	fair point
[03:02]	phanes	they could be insane /and/ care about freedom
[03:02]	matey	its a likely enough combination
[03:02]	matey	britney makes too much of stallman eating some skin
[03:03]	matey	its really gross. but its a common compulsion thats co-morbid with asd, and shes (openly) on the spectrum
[03:03]	phanes	stallman needs to get some skin, i agree
[03:03]	matey	oh if you mean a relationship, i dont think you have to worry
[03:03]	phanes	i dont need to know the details of the conjugal visit, i just know it needs to happen
[03:04]	matey	i think youre making a reasonable enough assumption that is most likely false nonetheless
[03:04]	matey	also he could be ace, but i believe hes not.
[03:04]	matey	ive met a few aces this year
[03:04]	phanes	im pretty sure it would be like this: https://youtu.be/JxxNvfVfDB0
[03:04]	TR Bot	https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=JxxNvfVfDB0
[03:04]	TR Bot	( status 500 @ https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=JxxNvfVfDB0 )
[03:05]	matey	theres a very different version of the free software song
[03:05]	matey	its not for the squeamish
[03:05]	matey	other than being old and overweight and... on the spectrum, theres nothing inherently horrible about rms from a dating standpoint
[03:06]	matey	and the reason i outline like that is
[03:06]	matey	all three of those things can be (and often are) overlooked
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[03:06]	matey	maybe not always often enough, but, yknow-- just the same
[03:07]	phanes	eh, he needs to get an apartment
[03:07]	phanes	or a loft
[03:07]	matey	his place looks nice
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[03:07]	phanes	doesn't he sleep in the mit office
[03:07]	matey	nicer than mine, if its where he did the video from
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[03:08]	matey	its not like hes under a bridge with a fema blanket
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[03:08]	matey	or stretched out on a couch next to a parrot cage
[03:09]	matey	heres a guy whos set out to do nearly impossible shit
[03:09]	matey	hes done pretty much everything hes set out to do
[03:09]	matey	and much more than this, he did it his way...
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[03:10]	phanes	great, im just saying, accomplishment is only half the measure of a man
[03:10]	matey	whats the other half
[03:10]	matey	character?
[03:10]	matey	we cant be implying he doesnt have that
[03:10]	phanes	mostly, but there are basic life milestones to chase there
[03:10]	matey	i  mean
[03:10]	matey	he had plenty of money to live off of
[03:11]	matey	he could have bought an apartment
[03:11]	matey	his values are... communal
[03:11]	matey	he prefers couchsurfing to the hotel industry
[03:11]	phanes	great for making a stand until old age sets in and its time to retire
[03:12]	matey	society used to take care of their old
[03:12]	matey	now they warehouse them
[03:12]	matey	i dont blame him for not putting stock in that model. its inhumane
[03:12]	mjg59_	Oh rms definitely dates
[03:12]	matey	^ yep
[03:12]	phanes	you can choose not to plan for old age
[03:12]	phanes	but even if you don't, old age will plan for you still
[03:12]	matey	very true
[03:13]	phanes	and it's far less packed with dignity when its hand is forced
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[03:13]	phanes	and shorter
[03:13]	mjg59_	He tells a story about being at some science fiction convention years ago where they convinced ESR that there was going to be an orgy in his hotel room and ESR turns up just in a bathrobe and nothing else and spoiler there's no orgy
[03:14]	phanes	in all fairness to ESR im not passed wearing robes for like 2 solid months since this covid thing hit  
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[03:14]	phanes	ill go down to the grocery store in my house loafers and pick out tomatoes and shit
[03:15]	ulf	the mountain of chaos left behind by 40 years of FSF/GNU piles up to the roof
[03:15]	phanes	id like to eventually have a place where i can build a greenhouse and just grow my own
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[03:17]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> He tells a story about being at some science fiction convention years ago where they convinced ESR that there was going to be an orgy in his hotel room and ESR turns up just in a bathrobe and nothing else and spoiler there's no orgy
[03:17]	DaemonFC	Are you sure this isn't a Matt GULAG story with the names changed up a little?
[03:18]	phanes	oh i didn't see the nick, i was just about to ask why it seemed like all the fun left the room
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[03:18]	matey	hi techuser
[03:18]	DaemonFC	Sometimes I just wear a bathrobe, Matt
[03:18]	DaemonFC	I'm not expecting an orgy though.
[03:18]	phanes	you should always be prepared
[03:19]	phanes	its like singing, it could break out at any time
[03:19]	DaemonFC	Yeah, why else would they make bathrobes?
[03:19]	phanes	especially afterwards
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[03:19]	phanes	we need to leave the orgies in the 70s where they belong, too many risks nowadays
[03:20]	DaemonFC	There's enough orgies for an entire industry of bathrobes.
[03:20]	DaemonFC	And they sell them at Walmart too. Can you believe that shit?
[03:22]	DaemonFC	Bill Gates heard OLPC and got behind it because he knew it had something to do with Africa and thought it meant One Bathrobe Per Child. It turned out to be a rather unfortunate e-mail mix-up.
[03:22]	DaemonFC	I hear he showed up to the launch party in just a bathrobe with a box set of Windows XP Home Starter Edition all disappointed.
[03:22]	DaemonFC	Decided to install it on the XOs just for the hell of it since he was there anyway.
[03:23]	bnchs	lol
[03:23]	bnchs	told his team "compile a special version of XP for me"
[03:23]	DaemonFC	Matt GULAG was standing in line in his bathrobe waiting for the GNU/Linux sticker to be removed and Bill's autograph.
[03:24]	DaemonFC	Matt GULAG was excited to learn that he could open as many Internet Explorers as he wanted to without hitting the three program limit, sitting there in the bathrobe, you see.
[03:27]	DaemonFC	So he was sitting there with Internet Explorer open working his handcrank, in the bathrobe.
[03:27]	DaemonFC	Get your mind out of the gutter, man. The computer had a handcrank.
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[03:31]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: You have a very rich set of fantasies about me, is this something we should talk about?
[03:32]	DaemonFC	<phanes> we need to leave the orgies in the 70s where they belong, too many risks nowadays
[03:32]	DaemonFC	Especially in San Francisco, where people "get it". (Monkeypox)
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[03:44]	MinceR	postal4 has bathrobe vending machines :>
[03:46]	matey	ideal for torvalds if he ever wants to code something again
[03:47]	matey	youd think bathrobes wouldnt be the smartest thing to put in a vending machine, even if its obviously designed to dispense them
[03:47]	matey	i mean theyre either fluffy or theyre shit
[03:47]	matey	how many can you fit unless the fucking thing is twice the size of a coke machine?
[03:47]	matey	how many people need a bathrobe that urgently?
[03:47]	matey	im curious how it works in terms of a business model
[03:48]	matey	i presume  you can select a colour, even male/female style
[03:48]	matey	im not saying i wouldnt buy one, id be surprised to see one-- even in a hotel
[03:48]	mjg59_	Yeah you'd need to vacuum pack them and then you lose the fluffiness
[03:48]	matey	you could just as easily sell them at the front desk
[03:49]	matey	ive been to hotels where if you want a chocolate bar, you go to the front desk and buy it from the concierge
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[03:50]	matey	im not partial, for small items vending machines are slightly more convenient 95% of the time
[03:51]	matey	also if theyre sold at the front desk, they could keep them in a closet in a back room
[03:51]	matey	(where else but a hotel would such a vending machine make sense)
[03:51]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> Yeah you'd need to vacuum pack them and then you lose the fluffiness
[03:51]	DaemonFC	Bathrobe expert.
[03:52]	DaemonFC	I've been wearing the same one, I think, for like 20 years.
[03:52]	DaemonFC	It's in surprisingly good shape.
[03:53]	MinceR	maybe you can compress them like towels and have the user toss them in water to make them expand
[03:53]	MinceR	postal4 probably uses vending machines so you can still buy stuff even after killing/scaring off the shopkeeper NPCs :>
[03:53]	matey	/me drops a pill into the bath and pulls out a damp bathrobe
[03:54]	matey	OH its a game
[03:54]	MinceR	yes, and then you hang it up to dry and you get a dry bathrobe
[03:54]	MinceR	yes
[03:54]	matey	well that explains the level of realism
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[03:55]	matey	now im curious what purpose a bathrobe serves for the player
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[03:55]	DaemonFC	I liked Postal 2.
[03:56]	DaemonFC	Just walk up and piss on someone and they scream and run away.
[03:56]	bnchs	i pissed on a donut and watched a police officer eat it
[03:56]	bnchs	and then puke
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[04:13]	MinceR	clothing
[04:13]	MinceR	you start postal4 with not much more than a pair of boots, a shirt, a pair of pants and a bathrobe
[04:13]	MinceR	yeah, postal2 was better
[04:14]	phanes	they need to ditch multilib
[04:15]	MinceR	who are "they"?
[04:16]	phanes	everyone
[04:18]	MinceR	and how will they run 32bit and 64bit binaries on the same system?
[04:18]	MinceR	also, x32
[04:19]	phanes	i dont think they should
[04:24]	matey	64 bit is still inefficient for systems without a shitload of ram
[04:24]	phanes	then install 32bit on those systems
[04:25]	matey	thats fine then
[04:25]	matey	/me isnt sure what the bad thing about multilib is though
[04:25]	phanes	its a huge fragile pain in the ass
[04:25]	matey	/me nods
[04:25]	phanes	from the user's perspective, hey, look at this, everything just works
[04:25]	phanes	but actually making a system multilib is perilous
[04:26]	matey	maybe they should do other things with their time
[04:26]	matey	and just compile for two different archs then
[04:26]	phanes	i mean, yeah
[04:26]	matey	i realise thats what youre saying
[04:27]	phanes	it would also simplify package management 
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[05:25]	mjg59_	The only reason multilib is hard is that people wrote build systems that can't grasp that concept
[05:26]	mjg59_	Failing to support it isn't just a 32/64 bit issue - it's a cross-architecture support issue
[05:26]	mjg59_	It's actually useful to be able to run ARM binaries on x86!
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[07:06]	TR News	Linux Mint 21 is now available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167848#comment-34473
[07:06]	TR Bot	 New Release of Linux Mint (3 Flavours) | Tux Machines
[07:07]	TR News	Josh Bressers: Episode 334 Leap seconds break everything https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/07/31/episode-334-leap-seconds-break-everything/
[07:07]	TR Bot	 Episode 334 Leap seconds break everything Open Source Security
[07:08]	TR News	SCaLE is all about Linux (Coverage Uploading Soon) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-Sq4HM0l8RA | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/-Sq4HM0l8RA
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[07:11]	TR News	CosmicStrand: the discovery of a sophisticated UEFI firmware rootkit https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=6370959#post6370959 see http://techrights.org/wiki/UEFI
[07:11]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=6370959#post6370959 )
[07:11]	TR Bot	 UEFI - Techrights
[07:14]	TR News	"For the month of July 2022, IFF has filed 9 Right to Information (RTI) applications. In response to an RTI application on surveillance of sanitation workers in Chandigarh, the Chandigarh Municipal Corporation has shared that they have been using human tracking watches on field staff since August 1, 2020 and incur approximately Rs 17.5 lakhs per month on it." https://internetfreedom.in/transparency-report-july-2022/
[07:14]	TR Bot	 Digital Transparency: A Right to Information Report for July 2022
[07:14]	TR News	Videos/Audiocasts/Shows: SCaLE 19x, Open Source Security Podcast, and GNU World Order Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167873 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/VideosAudiocastsShows:_SCaLE_19x,_Open_Source_Security_Podcast,_and_GNU_World_Order.shtml
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[07:20]	TR News	Linus Torvalds Shows Latest Linux On Apple Silicon http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167871#comment-34474
[07:21]	TR Bot	 Linus Torvalds Released Linux Kernel 5.19 From An Apple Hardware Running Asahi Linux | Tux Machines
[07:23]	TR News	Antenna - A Python Player for Radio Streams gopher://zaibatsu.circumlunar.space:70/0/~visiblink/phlog/20220731
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[07:37]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167874 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Security_Leftovers.shtml
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[07:38]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167875 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/programming_2.shtml
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[07:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
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[07:38]	TR Bot	 Docker Slim and Non-Obvious Docker Uses | Tux Machines
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[08:19]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Sunday, July 31, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/irc-log-310722/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/01/irc-log-310722/
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[08:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/
[08:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	placeholder
[08:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	we've not yet done the code to properly enter the items there procedurally
[08:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	aka gemini://news.tuxmachines.org/
[08:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	but by convention it would be gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/
[08:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	with CGI support
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[08:27]	britney	schestowitz[TR2], i found a few providers of gemini hosting
[08:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	good
[08:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	we need more public capsules
[08:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	even if I don't agree with that Icke baloney 
[08:28]	britney	yeah so im gonna have a gemini version of https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org
[08:28]	TR Bot	 Cerberus Investigations
[08:29]	britney	its not just Icke
[08:29]	britney	its also Glen Kealey
[08:29]	britney	Glen Kealey is the person I got information about the neanderthals from
[08:31]	britney	Also my favourite gemini browser is Lagrange
[08:31]	TR News	Crimson and Clover gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1089
[08:32]	britney	SDL is what makes it awesome
[08:34]	TR News	IBM-sponsored site spreads IBM-sponsored lies, using the company's dirty accounting 'tricks'; journalism has been replaced by PR https://www.itjungle.com/2022/08/01/ibm-finally-shows-some-growth-in-sales-and-profits/
[08:34]	TR Bot	 IBM Finally Shows Some Growth In Sales And Profits - IT Jungle
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[08:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	MinceR and I think the opposite
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	sdl2 was inadequate choice of troolkit
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	not because of the micrsooft github aspect
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	but because of usability issues
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	sdl is for games typically
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	but I know why jukka choise it (skyjake)
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	cross-platform
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	he makes android versions too, iirc
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	qt also sucks atm
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	for licensing reasons
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	gtk has its share of issues
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	tk/tcl is ugly
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tk_(software)
[08:40]	TR Bot	 Tk (software) - Wikipedia
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tcl
[08:40]	TR Bot	 Tcl - Wikipedia
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tcl
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tk_(software)#/media/File:Tk-Demo_using_Tk_8.6.6_on_Windows_10,_November_2016.png
[08:41]	TR Bot	 Tk (software) - Wikipedia
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	vista 10
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	and looks like something from the 19990s
[08:41]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> tk/tcl is ugly <- people always say this
[08:41]	matey	but the fact is that tk has been nicely themeable for eons
[08:42]	matey	people just never bother nicely theming it
[08:42]	matey	its half true, half myth
[08:42]	matey	if you want to critique tk, it doesnt support harfbuzz and will never render hindi properly
[08:42]	matey	but then harfbuzz is both github and a stallman canceller
[08:43]	matey	a non-github fork would be nice, as we seem to be stuck with harfbuzz for a very long time to come
[08:43]	matey	funnily enough, harfbuzz seems to mostly be a wrapper around something else-- but ive never seen that something else in any other context
[08:44]	matey	gnome: microsoft harfbuzz | gtk: same | kde: same
[08:44]	matey	and since a year or two ago, even emacs uses it
[08:44]	matey	microsoft emacs
[08:45]	matey	if you dont have it, hindi glyphs dont combine properly. i know, i tried it myself
[08:46]	matey	i still think harfbuzz should be optional
[08:47]	matey	youll still need it to do text properly in certain languages
[08:48]	matey	if you do bitmapped fonts instead, i dont think harfbuzz matters
[08:48]	matey	bitmap fonts arent too popular though, and roy would only say theyre ugly
[08:48]	matey	(they probably are)
[08:50]	matey	 <schestowitz[TR2]> and looks like something from the 19990s <- thats the default theming, every time
[08:50]	matey	while gtk decided fuck users, tk decided on stability
[08:50]	matey	tk would probably still work on an ancient machine-- it does what its designed for
[08:50]	matey	but for many years its been possibly to theme it with a nicer look
[08:51]	matey	people just dont bother to
[08:51]	matey	its funny because, tk is pretty much the only toolkit that gets so many things right that people complain about 
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[08:51]	matey	bloated, unstable, etc
[08:52]	matey	but people still talk shit about the one toolkit that hasnt abandoned its best qualities
[08:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	<matey> <schestowitz[TR2]> tk/tcl is ugly <- people always say this
[08:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	haha, I knew you'd weight in
[08:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	if you saw that
[08:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	because you use it
[08:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	sorry, just got back with tea
[08:53]	matey	well it was either a troll or misinformed
[08:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	yes, I like stable toolkits
[08:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	that don't get too modern
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[08:53]	matey	i use it because fuck gtk and fuck kde
[08:53]	matey	and tk is whats left
[08:53]	matey	but thats not all
[08:53]	matey	tk is REALLY EASY to code in
[08:53]	matey	tcl is a pain (imo) 
[08:53]	matey	some people love it, thats cool
[08:53]	matey	but tk is available for many languages, its the graphical part
[08:53]	matey	tcl is the language tk was made for originally
[08:54]	matey	tk is REALLY easy to code with
[08:54]	matey	granted part of that it is has few features
[08:54]	matey	its sort of the GEMINI of gui toolkits
[08:54]	matey	maybe even the gopher
[08:55]	matey	though gopher was terribly non-standard, the standard itself didnt resolve anything
[08:55]	matey	and tk isnt that bad
[08:55]	matey	gemini is nice because they make it standard first
[08:55]	matey	(shouldnt gopher be curses anyway)
[08:55]	matey	the shoe fits, there are basically two curses (windows vs everything else)
[08:56]	matey	very very similar
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[08:57]	TR Bot	 Lubuntu Introduces Backport PPA to Experience Latest LXQt Desktop | Tux Machines
[08:57]	matey	imagine if guis werent a pain to write?
[08:57]	TR News	9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 31st, 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167878
[08:57]	TR Bot	 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 31st, 2022 | Tux Machines
[08:57]	matey	they must be a pain, because moving from one to another seems like trying to move a whole house across the street
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[08:58]	matey	which can probably be done a lot more quickly in fewer steps actually
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	<matey> imagine if guis werent a pain to write?
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[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	I'm good at GUIs
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	made many over the years
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	java/swing, gtk, qt, more..
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	you can get suites for these
[08:59]	matey	too bad you never themed tk
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	so you don't have to type cooredinated by hand, as I did 20+ years ago
[08:59]	matey	you can get suites for these <- yeah, i cant stand those
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	in 2001 I found glade
[08:59]	matey	id like to just have something thats easy to code in
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[09:00]	matey	so you don't have to type cooredinated by hand <- so this just sidesteps the fact (understandably) that guis are awful to code for
[09:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://schestowitz.com/proj.htm
[09:00]	TR Bot	 Projects
[09:00]	matey	when html came along, table syntax made it so fucking easy
[09:00]	matey	but then css had to ruin the fun
[09:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://schestowitz.com/Projects/kmdupdate.html
[09:00]	TR Bot	 KMD - Application Documentation
[09:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://schestowitz.com/proj.htm
[09:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	gtk with theme, 2001
[09:00]	matey	it doesnt matter to me that someone is good at guis
[09:01]	matey	what matters to me is that guis are awful to code for
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://schestowitz.com/Projects/KMD/KMD2.jpg
[09:01]	matey	so its good for you, bad for most people
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	this is gnu/linux over 20 years aog
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	not ugnly at all
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	ran ok on 32 mb of ram
[09:01]	matey	and even you are using one of the tools that sidesteps the fact that theyre awful to code for
[09:01]	matey	i can use a rapid application development tool as well
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	i stopped doing guis some years ago
[09:01]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> ran ok on 32 mb of ram <- thats a good benchmark
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	started using dialog
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	it makes "guis" much faster to write and maintain
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	ncurses
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	and you can do freeform text
[09:02]	matey	dialogs remove a lot of the pain, i consider them a step forward
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	the new tuxmacines site does data entry from CLI and nano
[09:02]	matey	 <schestowitz[TR2]> it makes "guis" much faster to write and maintain <- yes, ive mentioned this when i talk about making coding easier
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	no "web based" or GUI or "app"
[09:02]	matey	lightweight distros like puppy tend to rely heavily on stuff like that
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	dialog alsohandles scrolling for you
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	you just add more entries
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	and it positions things sensible
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	*ly
[09:03]	matey	i used yad to make a graphical version of less
[09:03]	matey	i called it yadless or something
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	I wrote some GUIs for rianne
[09:03]	matey	ls | yadless
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	yad is good also
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	there are some others
[09:03]	matey	less is great on the command line
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	but yad needs x iirc
[09:04]	matey	yes, yas is graphical. i think its gtk
[09:04]	matey	i stopped using it because github of course
[09:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	haha
[09:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	why did they outsourced to that?
[09:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	pre-Microsoft I bet
[09:04]	matey	but my editor now has the same feature
[09:04]	matey	you can pipe text straight to the buffer
[09:04]	matey	the first gui less tool i had was commissioned
[09:04]	matey	someone wanted an idea for a gui application
[09:05]	matey	i said hey, make a graphical version of less
[09:05]	matey	so he did, in gtk
[09:05]	matey	then years later i made one using yad
[09:05]	matey	i used the feature just hours ago
[09:05]	matey	i cant stand a graphical editor (even a text based one) that you cant pipe to
[09:05]	matey	you know what text based editor lets you pipe text to it? jed
[09:06]	matey	jed you can pipe text to
[09:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	i use nano more and more
[09:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	even where I used to use kate
[09:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	esp. on machines with little ram
[09:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	nano has advantages, such as
[09:06]	matey	i used to advocate nano as a sane option
[09:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	you can run it in tmux
[09:06]	matey	but the author is a stallman backstabber
[09:06]	matey	so i switched to jed
[09:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	thewn share is across PCs
[09:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	to give one example
[09:06]	matey	i wont ever use nano again. 
[09:06]	matey	the author is one of the people i sent a nasty letter to about his lies and treachery
[09:06]	matey	i called him a traitor
[09:06]	matey	i only sent such a letter to a couple of people
[09:06]	matey	fuck nano
[09:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	nano removed gnu status and then added it back iirc
[09:07]	matey	yeah and the author is a lying sack of shit
[09:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	ibm staff?
[09:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	seems red hat has a hand on it
[09:07]	matey	ibm isnt the biggest group
[09:07]	matey	debian had more than 108 people
[09:07]	matey	gnome had more people than gnome foundation
[09:07]	matey	both (each, not together) had more than ibm
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[09:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	are there nao forks?
[09:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	nano
[09:08]	matey	i doubt it
[09:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	how about jim editor? does zemlin use it?
[09:08]	matey	jed is nice-- bloated compared to nano
[09:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	does sheela microsoft use a text editor?
[09:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	or just Microsoft Word?
[09:09]	matey	vim is github, emacs is... actually also github (if you use the graphical version)
[09:09]	matey	but vim is more github than emacs
[09:09]	matey	jed is good
[09:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	sicne which eyear (vim)?
[09:09]	matey	i probably knew at one point
[09:09]	matey	before the takeover im sure
[09:09]	matey	but theyve had close to half a decade to move
[09:10]	matey	that excuse wont work forever
[09:10]	matey	it takes less time to move TO github, you know
[09:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	vendor lockin
[09:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	sunken cost
[09:10]	matey	yeah, thats ewhy they shouldnt move there.
[09:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's what Microcloth paid for
[09:10]	matey	because it sucks up freedom 
[09:10]	matey	and shits out lockin
[09:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	but it was similar with skype
[09:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	10 years ago
[09:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	soon github will be 4 since the Microsoft takeover
[09:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's no longer de facto host
[09:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's the main one
[09:10]	matey	when github fails microsoft will just buy something else
[09:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	but not the master
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: they're running low on funds
[09:11]	matey	waiting for them to die is like not putting out a kitchen fire because it will go out when the house is burnt to the ground
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	thjey're being bailed out now
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	and they stopped hiring
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	they fire
[09:11]	matey	it will go out eventually.
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: no, giafam is sacred cow to the DoD
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	they keep funnelling money  to these
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	using nmoney they do not have
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	national debt
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	they just did CHIPS
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	graft
[09:12]	matey	so its slavery on top of slavery
[09:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt#historical
[09:12]	TR Bot	 United States Government Debt - July 2022 Data - 1942-2021 Historical
[09:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	press MAC
[09:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	*MAX
[09:12]	matey	mac if youre jim zemlin
[09:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	the media now trolls linux
[09:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	there's a new release
[09:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	next will be linux 6.0 probably
[09:12]	matey	the media now trolls linux <- open source eats their own
[09:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	but the media makes it seem like the news is about macs
[09:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	though linus has bought apple hardware for DECADES!
[09:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	over a decade for sure
[09:13]	matey	hes a silly person
[09:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167871#comment-34475
[09:13]	TR Bot	 Linus Torvalds Released Linux Kernel 5.19 From An Apple Hardware Running Asahi Linux | Tux Machines
[09:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	4 trollish, clickbait 'articles' so far
[09:13]	matey	matt lee gave stephen fry a mac to use for the fsf 25th
[09:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	changing the subject
[09:13]	matey	you think he got it from zemlin?
[09:13]	matey	it allegedly ran gnewsense or whatever
[09:14]	matey	 matt lee gave stephen fry a mac to use <- i mean for the scene. i doubt he kept it
[09:14]	matey	happy birthday gnu
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	if people convert existing"mac" PCs to gnu/linux
[09:14]	matey	wtf is that a macbook?
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe like truning dell to gnu/linux
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	except "apple premiums"
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	not really the end of the world
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	hence, clickbait
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	Ariadne runs some GNU/Linux on M1, IIREC
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	*IIRC
[09:15]	matey	yeah m1 is all the rage
[09:15]	matey	i guess
[09:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	now it's "old"
[09:15]	matey	m2?
[09:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	aplpe eats its own /sarcasm
[09:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	*apple
[09:15]	matey	is apple even open source anymore?
[09:15]	matey	i mean branding wise
[09:15]	matey	their licensing hasnt changed
[09:15]	matey	its still mostly proprietary, with notable exceptions
[09:16]	matey	darwin (useless)
[09:16]	matey	microsoft webkit (coming soon)
[09:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	apple fan:    stfu newb, m1 is old shit, buy new stuff, you cheapskate
[09:16]	matey	or wtf they call it now
[09:16]	matey	do they have m1 nano? 
[09:16]	matey	m1 air?
[09:16]	matey	m1 64gb?
[09:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	I feel bad for the "devs"
[09:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	who will once again get burned by apple
[09:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	power->x86>arm
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	they cannot even adapt to one arch
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	and apple pulls the rug again
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	and apple doesn't care
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's not apple that pays for their time
[09:17]	matey	just for fun they should get saddled with mipsel next :D
[09:17]	matey	that should be enough to run apple wishprince
[09:18]	matey	"do you have a wiiiiiiiiiiiish?"
[09:22]	TR News	IBM/Red Hat employs Tom Deseyn to work for Microsoft while taking a salary from IBM. This never made any sense, but then again Red Hat even hired managers from Microsoft -- an epic mistake https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/01/containerize-net-applications-without-writing-dockerfiles
[09:22]	TR Bot	 Containerize .NET applications without writing Dockerfiles | Red Hat Developer
[09:24]	TR News	Master IBM insists on having managers in Free software communities, in order to herd the slaves (volunteers, developers) https://opensource.com/article/22/8/why-program-management-matters-open-source
[09:24]	TR Bot	program management matters in open source | Opensource.com
[09:26]	TR News	Linux 5.19 Release - Main changes, Arm, RISC-V and MIPS architectures http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167871#comment-34476
[09:26]	TR Bot	 Linus Torvalds Released Linux Kernel 5.19 From An Apple Hardware Running Asahi Linux | Tux Machines
[09:27]	TR News	Mindless greenwashing nonsense https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/reasons-it-leaders-champion-sustainability see http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/
[09:27]	TR Bot	 4 reasons IT leaders should champion sustainability | The Enterprisers Project
[09:27]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights
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[09:28]	TR Bot	 Cloud services: 4 ways to get the most from your committed spend | The Enterprisers Project
[09:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-31.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-01.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[09:34]	matey	im glad i didnt get an apple m1
[09:34]	matey	it would only be worthless by now, eh
[09:34]	matey	that was pretty quick
[09:35]	matey	i like waiting until computers are worthless 
[09:35]	matey	then you can get them for a song
[09:35]	matey	i talked to the raspi rep but he was a cunt
[09:35]	matey	so i wanted for like 8 years and one almost literally fell into my lap for free
[09:36]	matey	and now there are better options too
[09:37]	matey	raspi if you hate yourself, and other stuff if you just want a challenge 
[09:37]	matey	but i still dont have an m1
[09:37]	matey	sounds like i dont need one at this point
[09:37]	matey	i bet i wont need the next apple chip either (if they bother making one)
[09:37]	matey	what i want to know is
[09:38]	matey	apple likes making computers that look like rubbish bins
[09:38]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167879 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Red_Hat__IBM_Fluff,_Sponsorted_Puff_Pieces,_and_Leftovers.shtml
[09:38]	matey	if they have apple silicon, when you open the rubbish bin up to see the cpu
[09:38]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[09:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Red Hat / IBM Fluff, Sponsorted Puff Pieces, and Leftovers
[09:38]	matey	is the cpu also shaped like a tiny rubbish bin? or is it shaped like a jogwheel or something
[09:38]	matey	you never know with those guys
[09:39]	matey	maybe their cpu has a tiny little touchscreen
[09:39]	matey	that sounds like something apple would do
[09:40]	matey	sure, it doesnt cool very well
[09:40]	matey	but then apple products generally dont
[09:40]	matey	hey, the touchscreen keeps heating up my cpu
[09:40]	matey	youre holding it wrong
[09:41]	matey	/me puts a rubber band around the cpu
[09:41]	matey	tada!
[09:41]	TR News	Mozilla has this podcast, "internethealthreport"... as if Mozilla itself has not contributed to the health issues in recent years https://2022.internethealthreport.org/episodes/when-an-algorithm-is-your-boss/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/Mozilla
[09:41]	TR Bot	 When an Algorithm is Your Boss The Internet Health Report 2022
[09:41]	TR Bot	 Mozilla - Techrights
[09:41]	matey	we are pleased to announce the apple m2
[09:42]	matey	unlike other cpus, which are cased in ceramic
[09:42]	matey	the m2 is housed entirely in a chrome covered package
[09:42]	matey	a few people have complained about this shorting out the pins
[09:42]	TR News	Red Hat / IBM Fluff, Sponsorted Puff Pieces, and Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167880
[09:42]	TR Bot	 Red Hat / IBM Fluff, Sponsorted Puff Pieces, and Leftovers | Tux Machines
[09:42]	matey	you just cant please some people
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[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	apropos
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	intel just canned some chips
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	and chip families
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	that got buried under other news
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	like they making LOSSES
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	so you invest in a whole DC
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	spent $100,000,000 on chips
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then Intel throws you under the bus
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	like IBM did with CentOS
[09:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's GIAFAM
[09:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	"buy NEW stuff, you poor fuck!"
[09:44]	matey	/me waits for more people to act like giafam, so it spells ARSEHOLES
[09:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	"but... but this stuff is still working"
[09:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	GIAFOAM
[09:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	add oracle in
[09:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	and the foam wars start
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	some people said faang
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	as if netflix was a thing
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	it was a bubble
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	and as if microsoft is not a big deal
[09:45]	matey	microsoft is nice now
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	yeah
[09:45]	matey	it gives us free stuff thats completely unrelated to taking over everything we care about
[09:45]	matey	COMPLETELY unrelated!
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	lready defined in wp-config.php
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/07/31/shrine-for-microsoft/
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[09:46]	TR Bot	 Turning Linux.com Into a Shrine for Microsoft | Techrights
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	ask James and Sheela Microsofvt
[09:46]	matey	php is github too
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	Microsoft is nice now
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	don't "|bash" them
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's anumal cruelty
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/microsoft-breadwinner/
[09:46]	TR Bot	 Who Brings Home the Bacon (Revenue), Sheela or James (Jim)? | Techrights
[09:46]	matey	putting a suit on jim zemlin is animal cruelty
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	"is that real leather, jimmy??/"
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	"yes, in fact I got it from APPLE STORE!"
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	"made in china by a SLAVE"
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	I mean
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	by "follower"
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	bbl
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	exercise
[09:48]	matey	be sure to hold it right
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[09:50]	phanes	https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/31/google-ceo-to-employees-productivity-and-focus-must-improve.html | Looks like Pichai thinks parroting Zuckerberg is somehow going to fix his blind spot.
[09:50]	TR Bot	 Google CEO to employees: Productivity and focus must improve
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[11:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	phanes: rallying their slaves
[11:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	I saw another article abotu that
[11:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	must be envious not be working in their Gulag Inc.
[11:39]	TR News	PostgreSQL: pgAdmin 4 v6.12 Released https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgadmin-4-v612-released-2490/ Source: postgresql | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgadmin-4-v612-released-2490/
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[11:40]	TR News	Old but newly updated: Adminer A Full-Featured MySQL Database Management Tool https://www.tecmint.com/adminer-mysql-database-administration-linux/ Source: TecMint FreeSW | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.tecmint.com/adminer-mysql-database-administration-linux/
[11:40]	TR Bot	 Adminer A Full-Featured MySQL Database Management Tool
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[11:47]	TR News	"I found this strange repo which is originally was in Chinese, buy Open-Power-Workgroup." https://medevel.com/hospitals-china/
[11:47]	TR Bot	 A Promising Project to Expose Bad Healthcare Service Providers in China
[11:48]	TR News	Best Free and Open Source Software July 2022 Updates Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167881 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software__July_2022_Updates.shtml
[11:48]	TR Bot	 Best Free and Open Source Software July 2022 Updates | Tux Machines
[11:48]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Software July 2022 Updates
[11:48]	TR News	KaOS 2022.06 and KDE Plasma 5.25 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167882 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/KaOS_2022.06_and_KDE_Plasma_5.25.shtml
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[11:57]	TR News	"supports Windows 11, Ubuntu, and Linux." https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/minisforums-ultra-thin-pc-with-11th-generation-intel-core-and-geforce-rtx-30-series-graphics.html Ubuntu... AND Linux!! MINISFORUM liks to misuse the word "LINUX" to sell WINDOWS junk http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/
[11:57]	TR Bot	 MINISFORUM's ultra-thin PC with 11th generation Intel Core and GeForce RTX 30 series graphics
[11:57]	TR Bot	 The Different Types of Spammy Articles and Reviews Which Have Killed Professional Journalism (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights
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[11:59]	TR News	This underplays the crime that's happening here https://liliputing.com/lilbits-booting-linux-on-some-lenovo-laptops-requires-an-extra-step-macintosh-pi-and-fanless-jasper-lake-mini-pcs/
[11:59]	TR Bot	Booting Linux on some Lenovo laptops requires an extra step, Macintosh Pi, and fanless Jasper Lake mini PCs - Liliputing
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[12:00]	TR News	Quit pretending Microsoft has changed since the Ballmer days. The only thing that changed is the pretending.
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[12:03]	psydruid	Apparently Intel has too much inventory so hardware vendors are stuck clearing their old stock first
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	haha
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe I can buy one... maybe not
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	no need for it atm
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	alkso, they are all defective
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	should be returned to sender
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	fix the silicon
[12:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	reship
[12:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	their last CEO should be arrested
[12:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	he committed criumes
[12:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	but he lives in USA
[12:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	they only arrest criminals who cannot afford expensive lawyers
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	they can suicide the rest
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	like aaron schwartz
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	just to make sure legal bills will bankrupt his patents, too
[12:09]	TR News	Understanding Linux Containers Before Changing the World Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167884 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Understanding_Linux_Containers_Before_Changing_the_World.shtml
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[12:13]	TR Bot	 [GIT PULL] random number generator updates for 6.0-rc1 - Jason A. Donenfeld
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[12:14]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GNU Linux-libre 5.19-gnu (Uhura)
[12:15]	TR News	Linux User Space: Episode 3:03: Text Ed https://www.linuxuserspace.show/303 Source: linuxuserspace
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[12:19]	TR Bot	 Efficient Infrastructure Testing | Pen Test Partners
[12:19]	TR News	The Indian Governments Fight Against Fake News Targets Political Dissent https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-29/youtube-twitter-targeted-by-modi-s-fake-news-campaign
[12:19]	TR Bot	- Are you a robot?
[12:20]	TR News	Torvalds: "I'll likely call it 6.0 since I'm starting to worry about getting confused by big numbers again." The "media" already 'trolls' the news by making some noise about "APPLE"...
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[12:21]	TR Bot	 Unvanquished 0.53 Beta, what a milestone! - Unvanquished
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[12:22]	TR News	False headline from Micreobell this morning. "Unvanquished 0.53 Released"... no! Just a beta. Come on, this is VERY sloppy.
[12:24]	TR News	Bootlin: Linux 5.19 released, Bootlin contributions inside http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167861#comment-34479
[12:24]	TR Bot	 Linux Kernel 5.19 Officially Released, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines
[12:25]	TR News	r600/sfn: NIR support for pre-Evergreen hardware (!17822) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17822 Source: graphics | freedesktop
[12:25]	TR Bot	 r600/sfn: NIR support for pre-Evergreen hardware (!17822) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
[12:26]	TR News	Celebrating 10 Years of Lightning Wire Labs (10% Off All Appliances) https://blog.ipfire.org/post/celebrating-10-years-of-lightning-wire-labs-10-off-all-appliances Source: ipfire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.ipfire.org/post/celebrating-10-years-of-lightning-wire-labs-10-off-all-appliances
[12:26]	TR Bot	- Celebrating 10 Years of Lightning Wire Labs (10% Off All Appliances)
[12:26]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> fix the silicon <schestowitz[TR2]> reship <- intels attention to quality is getting to be reminiscent of windows
[12:27]	matey	windows never did get fixed, only moving away helped in the slightest
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	yeah
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	good point because
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	microsoft windows was notorious for being shipped before ready
[12:27]	matey	too bad the fsf doesnt care about these things
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	they'd ship crap
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	for puriely financial mreasons
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[12:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	or to beat dates of the rivals
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	then blame the user
[12:27]	matey	we want users to be in control of their computing, as long as its not a hardware issue
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	and ulf sixel blames the "immigrants"
[12:27]	matey	haha, we knew he would be back
[12:28]	matey	hs gives himself away in like two lines
[12:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	even one sometimes
[12:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	must be frustrating for him
[12:28]	matey	i was like "who the fuck even says-- OH!"
[12:28]	matey	hes so over the top ridiculous, he sort of paints himself orange
[12:28]	matey	fsf LIED about software quality
[12:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	he put his code in github
[12:29]	matey	yeah well they were pretty transparent about software quality-- source included
[12:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	but complains about far lesser issues
[12:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	like mesa needing something
[12:29]	matey	mesa is shit, everyone knows that
[12:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	it has its purposes
[12:29]	matey	its like a politicians speech
[12:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	I use mesa for kwin compositor
[12:29]	matey	say two things that are true, then say what you want people to believe
[12:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-31.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-01.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[12:30]	matey	 I use mesa for kwin compositor <- i feel bad for you
[12:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	btw, placeholder is up at gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/
[12:30]	matey	i almost feel bad for kwin compositor
[12:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	we'll have that ready for use some time soon, probably this month
[12:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	then irc bot can link to that, too
[12:31]	TR News	"A winter which significantly cooled the cryptocurrency bubble might allow more space for the development of cryptocurrency tech and systems more oriented towards facilitating forms of exchange much more rooted in environmental sustainability, capital circulation rather than capital accumulation" gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2022-08-01.gmi
[12:32]	matey	he also gives himself away with countless german references
[12:32]	matey	but i mean
[12:32]	matey	hes much too proud to pretend to be a finn or something
[12:32]	matey	gutentag! i am most definitely not a german nationalist!
[12:33]	TR News	Heh. "If you have any news about deaths or related incidents of cyberbullying under the guise of CoC enforcement, please contact editor@suicide.fyi."
[12:33]	matey	oh ok, so youre not that guy we talked to the other day
[12:33]	matey	no im someone else entirely, but i DO agree with him on pretty much everything!
[12:33]	TR News	The problem now is, a bunch of innuendo insinuating some people who DIED just MAY HAVE caused it. Without evidence of that...
[12:33]	matey	also i say things that are hard to believe in coming from him, and damned near impossible from anyone else
[12:34]	matey	but im totally not that guy!
[12:34]	matey	also i hate c++ more than anyone in the world
[12:34]	matey	um, except him obviously. because two different guys
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[12:34]	matey	BAHAHAHAA
[12:35]	matey	i didnt know i could summon like that
[12:35]	matey	maybe theres a hidden techrights_user or something acting as a pair of eyes
[12:36]	matey	/me looks for techrights_user_1488
[12:37]	matey	maybe its der chatloggen
[12:38]	TR News	"As you may know, rolisteam is now part of KDE. We are trying to enjoy that new status. One way to do it, its to change the way rolisteam is translated. The KDE project has huge translation team and they are really efficient." https://rolisteam.org/update2.html
[12:38]	TR Bot	 Rolisteam - July 2022 - Monthly update #2
[12:38]	TR News	[LibreOffice] Content controls in Writer: the plain text type Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167886 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/LibreOffice_Content_controls_in_Writer:_the_plain_text_type.shtml
[12:38]	TR Bot	 [LibreOffice] Content controls in Writer: the plain text type | Tux Machines
[12:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines [LibreOffice] Content controls in Writer: the plain text type
[12:40]	matey	\<><>/\
[12:40]	matey	that looks more like the olympic logo everyone hated
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[12:41]	matey	london 201<>/\/
[12:45]	matey	 The Worst Olympic Logos, Ranked - Ceros
[12:45]	matey	lol
[12:45]	matey	the nazi one only comes in at #3
[12:45]	matey	paris 1924 got #2
[12:46]	matey	and i presume the london 2012 one is the winner
[12:46]	matey	no! sochi 2014
[12:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	I forgot what the scandasl was
[12:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	the logo scandals
[12:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	the images resemble things
[12:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	like svaztikas sometimes
[12:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	or some sexual things
[12:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	then people make parodies
[12:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	with little changes
[12:49]	matey	the london 2012 logo looked like the victim of a ski accident
[12:52]	TR News	Audiocasts/Shows: Linux Mint 21, Linux User Space, and Mozillas Internet Health Report 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167887 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/AudiocastsShows:_Linux_Mint_21,_Linux_User_Space,_and_Mozilla%27s_Internet_Health_Report_2022.shtml
[12:53]	TR Bot	 Audiocasts/Shows: Linux Mint 21, Linux User Space, and Mozilla's Internet Health Report 2022 | Tux Machines
[12:53]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Audiocasts/Shows: Linux Mint 21, Linux User Space, and Mozilla's Internet Health Report 2022
[12:53]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167888 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/howtos_2.shtml
[12:53]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[12:53]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[12:54]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167889 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/leftovers_2.shtml
[12:54]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[12:54]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[12:55]	TR News	Links 01/08/2022: GNU Linux-libre 5.19 (Uhura) and pgAdmin 4 6.12 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/gnu-linux-libre-5-19/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/01/gnu-linux-libre-5-19/
[12:55]	TR Bot	 Links 01/08/2022: GNU Linux-libre 5.19 (Uhura) and pgAdmin 4 6.12 | Techrights
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[12:59]	TR News	"Valve recently released an update for the main Steam client, which amongst other things brings support in Steam Input for the Nintendo Online" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/steam-gets-support-for-nintendo-online-classic-controllers/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:59]	TR Bot	gets support for Nintendo Online classic controllers | GamingOnLinux
[12:59]	TR News	"going pretty overboard" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/valve-bans-devs-from-adding-review-scores-and-awards-on-steam-store-assets/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:59]	TR Bot	bans devs from adding review scores and awards on Steam store assets | GamingOnLinux
[12:59]	TR News	MangoHud version 0.6.8 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/linux-gaming-overlay-mangohud-version-068-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:59]	TR Bot	gaming overlay MangoHud version 0.6.8 out now | GamingOnLinux
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[13:00]	TR News	OpenRazer https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/openrazer-new-release-adding-support-for-more-razer-hardware-on-linux/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[13:00]	TR Bot	new release adding support for more Razer hardware on Linux | GamingOnLinux
[13:01]	TR News	How to distract from Linux 5.19 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167871#comment-34481
[13:01]	TR Bot	 Linus Torvalds Released Linux Kernel 5.19 From An Apple Hardware Running Asahi Linux | Tux Machines
[13:01]	TR News	"Windows compatibility on Linux continues to improve thanks to Wine, with the latest development release out now with Wine 7.14 available." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/windows-compatibility-layer-wine-version-714-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[13:01]	TR Bot	compatibility layer Wine version 7.14 is out now | GamingOnLinux
[13:04]	TR News	"Most images contain Exif (Exchangeable image file format) data which includes some crucial data such as the date" https://linuxhandbook.com/remove-exif-data/ | Source: Linux Handbook
[13:04]	TR Bot	 Remove Exif Data in Linux Command Line
[13:05]	TR News	"Canonical announced that now Ubuntu 21.10 Impish Indri has reached End of Life (EOL)." https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/08/ubuntu-2110-reached-eol-and-how-to-add-support.html | Source: Ubuntubuzz
[13:05]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 21.10 Reached EOL and How To Add Support
[13:05]	TR News	"As a result, I disabled IPv6 on all my hosts. It seemed easyat first. Here is how I did it." https://opensource.com/article/22/8/disable-ipv6 | Source: OpenSource.com
[13:05]	TR Bot	I disabled IPv6 on Linux | Opensource.com
[13:06]	TR News	Nichelle Nichols, trailblazing 'Star Trek' actress, dies at 89 - CNN https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/31/entertainment/nichelle-nichols-star-trek-dies/index.html Source: edition | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//edition.cnn.com/2022/07/31/entertainment/nichelle-nichols-star-trek-dies/index.html
[13:06]	TR Bot	 Nichelle Nichols, trailblazing 'Star Trek' actress, dies at 89 - CNN
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● Aug 01
[14:02]	matey	hi britney
[14:03]	britney	hi matey 
[14:04]	matey	i took your advice, my face is smooth for the first time in like a decade
[14:04]	britney	that was my advice?
[14:04]	matey	maybe it was chicksahoy
[14:04]	britney	thats me too
[14:04]	matey	then yes, that was your advice
[14:05]	britney	i dont remember lol
[14:05]	matey	its not important
[14:05]	britney	did you have a neckbeard?
[14:05]	matey	nah
[14:05]	matey	but i was using an electric
[14:07]	matey	(even stallman has a short beard now. i expect a lot of neckbeards will just spontaneously fall off now, or have neckbaldness creep up and back in a sort of U^U pattern)
[14:08]	matey	obviously i have a conspiracy theory about that, similar to the one about paul mccartney
[14:08]	matey	theres no way thats really stallman
[14:08]	matey	microsoft replaced him with an android from the future
[14:08]	matey	when he went to give his talk
[14:09]	britney	lol
[14:09]	matey	hes not even running free software :/
[14:10]	britney	he isn't?
[14:10]	matey	its probably some horrible future version of azure rtos
[14:10]	matey	most people wont care because now he doesnt have any sweat glands
[14:10]	matey	but its bad for those who really cared
[14:10]	britney	Linus uses Fedora
[14:11]	matey	he should wear a fedora
[14:11]	britney	lol
[14:11]	matey	i thought he used suse
[14:11]	britney	he should
[14:12]	britney	umm he did try suse in the past but got mad at it when it required root to install a printer
[14:12]	matey	that seems like a really weird thing for linus to be unhappy about 
[14:12]	britney	it was his kids laptop
[14:13]	matey	oh okay
[14:13]	matey	/me gives linus a copy of qimo so he can develop gkhnix on that
[14:13]	britney	gkhnix?
[14:13]	matey	http://www.qimo4kids.com/
[14:13]	TR Bot	 Qimo 4 Kids - Software For Kids
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[14:13]	matey	gkhnix is the sequel to linux
[14:14]	britney	gkhnix tho?
[14:14]	matey	it was invented from scratch by gkh to be optimised for systemd
[14:14]	britney	who is gkh
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[14:14]	matey	im totally winding you up. to be fair i didnt think youd believe any of that
[14:14]	matey	gkh is real though, hes the dork from novell thats taking over when linus retires
[14:15]	matey	it was supposed to be theodore tso but mjg ruined that for everyone
[14:15]	matey	/me is only SLIGHTLY kidding now
[14:15]	britney	Greg Kroah-Hartman?
[14:15]	matey	im pretty sure gkh is actually going to take over though
[14:16]	matey	thats the one
[14:16]	britney	he seemed cool to me
[14:16]	matey	also known as jaws from the spy who loved me
[14:16]	britney	I remember watching a video by Greg Kroah-Hartman and i thought he seemed cool enough
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[14:16]	matey	yeah 
[14:16]	matey	open source is like that
[14:16]	matey	all smiles and helpful man pag-- websites
[14:17]	matey	then you turn your back and they slip malware into your snap packages and send all your data to amazon
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[14:17]	britney	i dont use snap, its ubuntu garbage
[14:17]	matey	yes, yes it is
[14:17]	britney	i use arch btw
[14:17]	matey	ROFL
[14:18]	matey	youre my favourite arch user though
[14:18]	britney	:)
[14:18]	matey	you might be the only person i know that uses it though
[14:18]	britney	lol
[14:18]	matey	well bnchs probably does
[14:18]	britney	did you know arch is canadian?
[14:18]	matey	thats good
[14:18]	britney	i gotta represent
[14:19]	matey	ngl, ive been reasonably pleased with canadian operating systems overall
[14:19]	britney	yeah openbsd is canadian too
[14:19]	matey	"attack surface"
[14:19]	britney	lol
[14:19]	britney	he does sound like dr evil
[14:19]	matey	openbsd isnt perfect
[14:20]	matey	it doesnt work well if you put maple syrup on it
[14:20]	matey	i opened a ticket
[14:21]	britney	because you put maple syrup on your OS?
[14:21]	matey	if arch is canadian, should it really be "i use arch btw"
[14:21]	matey	shouldnt it be
[14:21]	matey	i use arch, eh
[14:21]	britney	lol
[14:22]	matey	hoser os
[14:22]	matey	its a recursive acronym
[14:22]	matey	the os stands for hoser
[14:22]	britney	well i suppose but the catchphrase "i use arch btw" was coined by americans
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[14:23]	britney	gnus not unix gnus not unix gnus not unix
[14:23]	matey	but it does have blue hair
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[14:26]	britney	gnu has blue hair?
[14:26]	matey	its a long story
[14:27]	ulf	unix is a trademark; and the founder of GNU invented POSIX, which is the irony of it
[14:28]	matey	(posix) (os) (i)snt (x)enix
[14:29]	matey	(p)osix (o)mits (six)els
[14:29]	matey	posix is now posix++
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[14:30]	matey	/me is waiting for poseven
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[14:30]	matey	i guess theyre waiting for posix to stabilise, but it will never happen
[14:30]	ulf	poshits by the free sh*tware foundation
[14:31]	matey	the fsf would have been better if it was german
[14:31]	matey	fsfe is making their own operating system
[14:31]	matey	it will have a microaggression firewall built into the kernel
[14:31]	matey	any microaggressions will cause a kernel dump and cancel the user on twitter
[14:32]	matey	theodore tso is writing a microaggression kernel
[14:32]	matey	it uses microaggressions for message passing between modules
[14:32]	matey	the hypervisor is called dogwhistle
[14:33]	ulf	this is what happened, in 2013:
[14:33]	matey	s/2013/2011/
[14:34]	ulf	GNU moved their toolchain/compiler to c++ and C11, and locked out "free software" competitors
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[14:35]	ulf	and how much of the bashitism, libtool, autotools are POSIX... that's only the build-system/userspace-related issues with it
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[14:37]	ulf	show me one GNU/Linux which can be compiled with a POSIX-compliant make?
[14:37]	ulf	https://frippery.org/make/
[14:37]	TR Bot	 Public domain POSIX make
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[14:38]	ulf	that's none of the most urgent problems of cause, it's just an indicator of what GNU/FSF do and who they really are.
[14:39]	matey	einigkeit und recht und freiheit fr das deutsche vaterland!
[14:40]	matey	danach lasst uns alle streben brderlich mit herz und hand!
[14:40]	ulf	didn't try yet a POSIX shell, such as oksh with POSIXLY_CORRECT set, and see when GNU libtool freaks out
[14:40]	matey	einigkeit und recht und freiheit sind des glckes unterpfand
[14:40]	matey	/me belches
[14:40]	matey	blh im glanze dieses glckes, blhe, deutsches vaterland!
[14:43]	matey	in spaceballs, deutsche vater is called dark helmet
[14:46]	ulf	and, instead of discussing POSIX, standards and "free software", little later a smear campaign began
[14:47]	ulf	and at that time, GNU/FSF had just wrecked their toolchain the entire "free software" relies upon
[14:48]	ulf	the toolchain, the buildsystem... no sane "free software" developer would anymore freely choose to rely on GNU/FSF
[14:49]	ulf	however, GNU/FSF vendor-locked theirs with horrible anti-competitive clutter
[14:51]	ulf	it got a permissive license, it's opensource, and it's evil
[14:52]	techuser	copyright is evil
[14:52]	techuser	use WTFPL I guess
[14:52]	ulf	and yes, GPL copyleft is too weak, FSF knows it, nonetheless advertises it
[14:52]	ulf	however this copyleft does not protect "free software" developers
[14:53]	ulf	because, copyleft can be enforced by the _authors_/copyright holders, not some little idiot such as myself
[14:53]	ulf	and what's copyleft good for then if "Free Software" is (C)GAFAM
[14:54]	ulf	instead i could not publish anything, without legal threats, meanwhile my work generats exactly this much income: 0.0 shitcoins
[14:55]	ulf	if i could sue Intel to release their Verilog for i386 at least, or IBM to release their BIOS sources and documentation... no luck of cause
[14:57]	ulf	the "no warranty" clause is remarkable too, because software circulate4d with such could contain whatever malice, and the authors, in case of (C)GAFAM couldn't be held accountable for it
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● Aug 01
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[15:09]	matey	wtfpl is a childrens vanity license
[15:09]	matey	use a real license
[15:09]	matey	(yes wtfpl will hold up in court, but it makes you look like a cunt)
[15:09]	techuser	I don't care about the "rights" I shouldn't have
[15:10]	matey	(and not a smart cunt, the other kind)
[15:10]	matey	I don't care about the "rights" I shouldn't ha <- then use cc0 or 0 clause bsd
[15:10]	matey	or unlicense
[15:10]	britney	i think im gonna use bsd license when I write code
[15:10]	matey	there are several bsd licenses
[15:10]	britney	that i havent decided on yet
[15:11]	matey	fair enough
[15:11]	ulf	bsd license won't help you either
[15:11]	britney	isc
[15:11]	matey	isc is good, thats the one openbsd uses
[15:13]	ulf	choose standards-compliant software/hardware without anti-competitive clutter... good luck finding any
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[15:15]	ulf	and i mean, RMS knew it: "I think it is important for free software to provide convenient free graphical user interface software, which is why the GNU Project launched three projects to develop that. The third, GNOME, was successful"
[15:16]	ulf	year 2012, motif was GPLed, and it's standardized, together with a reference implementation if i am not mistaken
[15:17]	ulf	see for yourself, how much FSF/GNU "endorsed" this, because "GNOME was successful"
[15:17]	britney	I like gnome
[15:19]	ulf	i hate it, with passion
[15:21]	britney	dash to panel is bae
[15:22]	britney	it doesn't bother me  because for example I run element, discord and brave a lot and each of those apps use more ram than gnome
[15:22]	britney	so even if i switched to something like xfce, half my ram is used up anyway
[15:23]	ulf	i am having no problem with GTK itself, i am having a problem with the strategy of GNU/FSF which locks-out "free software" competition
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[15:26]	ulf	another example of this anti-competitive strategy of GNU/FSF: try to compile any GNU/Linux with a C90/99/11 compliant compiler, such as cproc/tinycc whatever else there is
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[15:28]	ulf	and it seems to me, GNU/FSF are still proud of this type of "RYF", "free software" to promote IBM Wintel craptops
[15:28]	britney	ulf, are you earthling?
[15:29]	ulf	earthling?
[15:29]	britney	yeah someone named earthling was here before acting just like you
[15:29]	britney	i was wondering if that was you
[15:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-31.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-01.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[15:30]	britney	earthling complained about IBM Wintel Pentagon tech
[15:31]	ulf	the sponsors of GNU/FSF?
[15:31]	ulf	would be curious, on whose payroll they are.
[15:31]	britney	someone is paying GNU/FSF?
[15:32]	ulf	i want to know, yes. who is funding this scam.
[15:32]	britney	im sure you could find that in their income records
[15:34]	ulf	i do know already, harfbuzz/graphite were sponsored by IBM/RedHat/Google/Facebook/UN
[15:34]	ulf	although then it's implied, there wasn't any affiliation between them, and GNU/FSF
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[15:34]	britney	UN is united nations?
[15:35]	britney	why does the UN care whats on my laptop?
[15:35]	ulf	yes. headquartered close nearby the FSF, somewhere in NY
[15:35]	ulf	it's all "NGO" and "non-profit" of cause
[15:36]	britney	yeah so you should be able to show us records that the UN is funding FSF/GNU
[15:36]	britney	you sound just like earthling its almost uncanny
[15:40]	britney	hey matey, i think earthling came back
[15:42]	matey	whos earthling
[15:42]	britney	ulf - are you rocking a rock64 computer?
[15:42]	britney	matey, do you remember that guy who got mad at you because you said you wanted to kill germans?
[15:42]	matey	if earthling is the guy i chased off, yes, thats him
[15:42]	matey	he was exaggerating
[15:42]	britney	yeah earthling was chased off
[15:42]	matey	i asked a hypothetical question as a joke
[15:42]	matey	he did an mjg and twisted that into me saying we should do that
[15:43]	britney	ulf is earthling
[15:43]	matey	if the german ss want to talk to me, they also wanted to talk to my great grandparents and they can suck my wienerschnitzel
[15:43]	matey	they also wanted to talk to my great grandparen <- so they could gas them
[15:44]	matey	so they can suck a whole back of wienerschnitzel
[15:44]	matey	bag
[15:44]	matey	from the bag
[15:44]	britney	well ulf is here talking just like earthling, says the FSF/GNU is being funded by the UN
[15:44]	ulf	who said this?
[15:44]	matey	that shows what an idiot he is
[15:44]	MinceR	01 094030 < schestowitz[TR2]> tk/tcl is ugly
[15:44]	matey	the united nations actually support open source. literally.
[15:44]	MinceR	no, it isn't
[15:45]	britney	<ulf> i do know already, harfbuzz/graphite were sponsored by IBM/RedHat/Google/Facebook/UN
[15:45]	matey	open source is the free software counterrevolution
[15:45]	MinceR	also, lagrange doesn't let me pick a font other than the ones built into it, and handles the clipboards incorrectly
[15:45]	matey	he might as well say churchhill supported stalin-- not true
[15:46]	matey	stalin was an idiot who sucked up to both churchhill and hitler 
[15:46]	matey	churchhill hoped stalin and hitler would kill each other so britain didnt have to do anything (else)
[15:46]	matey	to be fair, britain was sort of busy
[15:47]	matey	anyway, the un supports the fsf/gnu about as much as churchhill supported stalin
[15:47]	matey	not very fucking much. or not at all.
[15:47]	britney	MinceR, fair enough
[15:48]	britney	ulf, do you have a rock64?
[15:48]	ulf	anyway, who sponsored all this anti-competitive malware of Moz/GNOME/Harfbuzz ?
[15:49]	ulf	britney: what is this again, rock64?
[15:49]	britney	ulf, its a single board computer
[15:49]	ulf	and what a nonsense blather is this from matey?
[15:49]	ulf	is this a bot?
[15:50]	ulf	doesn't matter, /ignore
[15:50]	britney	im still pretty sure this person is earthling
[15:50]	matey	it is 100%
[15:50]	ulf	matey is earthling?
[15:50]	matey	its him or a transporter clone. lets hope he doesnt have that technology
[15:50]	matey	if it existed, he would insist germans invented it and it was stolen by starfleet
[15:50]	matey	https://www.undp.org/about-us UNDP is based on the merging of the United Nations Expanded Programme of Technical Assistance, created in 1949, and the United Nations Special Fund, established in 1958. UNDP, as we know it now, was established in 1966 by the General Assembly of the United Nations.
[15:51]	TR Bot	 About us | United Nations Development Programme
[15:51]	matey	https://www.undp.org/blog/open-or-closed-source
[15:51]	TR Bot	 Open- or closed-source? | United Nations Development Programme
[15:52]	matey	that says open source more than 13 times
[15:52]	matey	free software: 0 times
[15:52]	matey	un supports open source, not free software
[15:53]	britney	this is a picture of a cyborg neanderthal: https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/borg-neanderthal.jpg
[15:53]	matey	and then they take a mixed approach, defending "proprietary solutions"
[15:53]	matey	if i see one ill let you know
[15:53]	ulf	looks sad
[15:54]	britney	you probably wont, they live in the moho discontinuity
[15:54]	matey	that still sounds like a great band name
[15:54]	britney	moho discontinuity?
[15:54]	matey	ladies and gentlemen, the moho discontinuity has left the building
[15:54]	matey	live at budokan
[15:55]	matey	theyre actually from donegal
[15:55]	britney	https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/29/e8/6529e818ea05a909b4fcbca15b902051.jpg
[15:55]	matey	the guy on drums is jim but he spells it j-i-c-h-k-i-o-m
[15:55]	britney	its above the upper mantel
[15:56]	MinceR	the UN doesn't care about freedom, never did
[15:56]	matey	they dont care about socialism either
[15:56]	MinceR	they care about totalitarian dictatorships and megacorporations that pay them lots of money
[15:56]	matey	the united nations is to global politics what christian music is to mainstream radio
[15:57]	britney	apparently, as ulf stated, the UN funds FSF/GNU
[15:57]	matey	so did ibm
[15:57]	matey	funding just means interference
[15:57]	ulf	i did read about funding for the Unicode implementation with harfbuzz/graphite/cairo library
[15:57]	MinceR	the FSF/GNU no longer threatens the megacorporate hegemony
[15:57]	britney	s/IBM/ICBM*
[15:57]	ulf	and FSF/GNU promote GNOME
[15:57]	TR News	WCH CH569 https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-hydrausb3-board-is-open-source-and-supports-high-speed-protocols/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[15:57]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-hydrausb3-board-is-open-source-and-supports-high-speed-protocols/ )
[15:58]	ulf	while, GNOME is anti-competitive malware
[15:58]	britney	ulf, how is it malware?
[15:58]	TR News	"The microprocessor found on this device is the Xtensa Single-Core 32-bit LX7 with maximum frequency of 240MHz." https://linuxgizmos.com/bpi-bit-lite-is-an-educational-board-that-runs-on-arduino-webduino-and-micropython/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[15:58]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/bpi-bit-lite-is-an-educational-board-that-runs-on-arduino-webduino-and-micropython/ )
[15:58]	matey	its basically microsoft
[15:58]	britney	lol
[15:58]	matey	ibm
[15:58]	britney	icbm
[15:58]	matey	ibm, you bm, we all bm for ibm
[15:59]	TR News	You Can Now Install Linux Kernel 5.19 on Ubuntu and Ubuntu-Based Distributions Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167890
[15:59]	TR Bot	 You Can Now Install Linux Kernel 5.19 on Ubuntu and Ubuntu-Based Distributions | Tux Machines
[15:59]	ulf	britney: it is poisoned with systemd-clutter, one reason, it's used to implement spyware such as Moz
[15:59]	britney	so wait, firefox is spyware?
[15:59]	matey	close enouguh
[15:59]	ulf	yes, worst ever
[15:59]	britney	how is firefox spyware
● Aug 01
[16:00]	matey	it sends your data to 3rd parties
[16:00]	ulf	by all criteria of the definition of it
[16:00]	TR News	GNU Linux-Libre 5.19 Kernel Arrives for Those Who Seek 100% Freedom for Their PCs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167891
[16:00]	matey	then it does a little dance (and makes a little love) and talks about privacy a lot
[16:00]	britney	good thing i use brave
[16:00]	TR Bot	 GNU Linux-Libre 5.19 Kernel Arrives for Those Who Seek 100% Freedom for Their PCs | Tux Machines
[16:00]	ulf	all modern browsers are malware spying on users
[16:00]	britney	lol
[16:00]	matey	mozilla is complete bullshit
[16:01]	matey	so is chromium imo
[16:01]	TR News	Misinformation https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0603/Political-misquotes-The-10-most-famous-things-never-actually-said/I-can-see-Russia-from-my-house!-Sarah-Palin | Source: CS Monitor
[16:01]	TR Bot	can see Russia from my house!" Sarah Palin - CSMonitor.com
[16:01]	britney	all software is spyware
[16:01]	matey	well, im not sure 
[16:01]	matey	i mean if you consider tempest, than probably yet
[16:01]	matey	yes
[16:01]	britney	anything that monitors keyboard input is spyware
[16:01]	matey	only if it sends it somewhere really
[16:02]	ulf	nowadays, yes, most of it is.
[16:02]	matey	which again, considering tempest...
[16:02]	britney	yeah tempest attacks are spyware
[16:02]	matey	but if you work in a faraday cage, mebbe
[16:02]	matey	i dont blame mozilla for tempest
[16:02]	matey	even i have limits
[16:02]	ulf	"her salary had risen to over $3 million. In the same year the Mozilla Corporation laid off approximately 250"
[16:02]	matey	(i blame the un and c++ for that_
[16:02]	matey	also western media
[16:02]	matey	hehehe
[16:03]	britney	i blame shape shifting reptilians and hive mind supercomputer neanderthals
[16:03]	ulf	no surprise, CoC were introduced
[16:03]	matey	as long as we are all on the same page then :)
[16:03]	britney	:)
[16:03]	ulf	so, it's not allowed to say some money *itch wrecked mozilla
[16:03]	matey	its a very very big page
[16:04]	matey	folded into a napkin swan
[16:04]	matey	on a table, with an attack surface, somewhere in alberta
[16:04]	britney	attack surface
[16:04]	matey	atTACK SUR face
[16:05]	matey	im going to make that my phones ringtone
[16:05]	matey	"why does your phone say ATTACK Surface like dr evil?"
[16:05]	britney	lol u should
[16:05]	matey	"because its frikkin hilarious thats why"
[16:05]	matey	/me sends theo a poutine hot pocket
[16:06]	matey	(dont tell me canadians dont have special hot pockets in poutine flavour)
[16:06]	matey	(and theyre printed in english and french because quebec makes them do it)
[16:06]	britney	i haven't seen poutine flavour hot pockets
[16:06]	matey	"made in the moho discontinuity"
[16:07]	matey	"may contain crickets"
[16:07]	britney	lol
[16:07]	britney	eat yo damn crickets
[16:08]	britney	https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/schwab-crickets.jpg
[16:08]	matey	/me wonders if theo de raadt can speak english and french at the same time
[16:08]	britney	even snowden made a comment on them
[16:08]	britney	https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/snowden-crickets.png
[16:09]	matey	"attaque sufwois"
[16:09]	britney	"mom I want the pizza crickets"
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[16:10]	britney	attack surface, pizza crickets, UN, reptilians, ulf (earthling), oh and the pentagon is in there somewhere too
[16:10]	matey	throw moi a friqqenne bon already 
[16:11]	britney	IBM Wintel Pentagon conspiracy
[16:11]	matey	m-o-u-s-e
[16:12]	britney	Apple Computer
[16:12]	matey	it should be throwez
[16:12]	matey	throwez moi
[16:12]	matey	une friqqenne bon
[16:13]	matey	/me realises it means something else in french, not "bone"
[16:13]	matey	but "bon" sounds REALLY french though 
[16:14]	britney	it is
[16:14]	matey	its not "bone appeTEET" its *talks with mouth full* TEE!
[16:15]	matey	stop pronouncing s and t you cretin(s)!
[16:16]	TR News	SpellBinding: ABEWLVI Wordo: TREE gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-08-01.gmi
[16:16]	britney	attack surface
[16:16]	matey	hehehe
[16:16]	britney	firefox is spyware and has attack surface
[16:16]	matey	very
[16:16]	matey	boucoup!
[16:16]	britney	i use brave, im safe
[16:17]	matey	the guy that plays the mayor in walking dead
[16:17]	matey	they did that bad lip reading where he sings
[16:17]	matey	so people came up to him for months and went LABBIBBIDI BIBIDUM! LABIBBIBIDI BIBIDOO!"
[16:17]	matey	and he had NO IDEA why
[16:18]	matey	then they showed him the bad lip reading at comic con or something
[16:18]	TR News	Week 29/30: Thoughts and Photos gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202208/20220801-2022-week-29-30-thoughts-and-photos.gmi
[16:18]	matey	and he finally understood the reference :)
[16:18]	matey	i imagine this happening to poor theo with "ATTACK SURFACE"
[16:19]	matey	but really it would just be me, and the rcmp would probably do something before it became a running joke
[16:19]	TR News	Why Im not a doomer (anymore) gemini://degrowther.smol.pub/20220801_climate_doomer
[16:19]	matey	"also there was this one girl who kept talking about robot neanderthals eating crickets"
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[16:20]	matey	"and poutine hot pockets, which actually sounds like a pretty good idea"
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[16:20]	matey	why hot pockets doesnt make things like waffles and pancakes i dont know
[16:20]	matey	waffle pocket
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[16:21]	TR Bot	 Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "On Russian state TV, State Duma Defense Committee's head Andrey Kartapolov proposed taking Ukrainian children from occupied territories and shipping them off to military boarding schools in Russia. Not one word about asking for their parents' permission or even their own wishes."|nitter
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[16:21]	matey	1. place maple syrup outside of microwave
[16:21]	matey	2. place waffle pocket(tm) in microwave sleeve on high for 2:30
[16:22]	matey	3. pour syrup on waffle pocket(tm) CAUTION: FOOD WILL BE HOT
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[16:23]	matey	try all our varieties of hot pockets, poutine hot pockets, and pizza cricket pockets
[16:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	when all new mirowaves have microphones in nthem
[16:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	for "sdmart" assistants"
[16:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe govs will iiinsist they need a camera too
[16:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	you know, for safety
[16:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	to make sure they know what you put in there
[16:24]	matey	you need to be able to see your hot pocket when you back up your microwave
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[16:33]	britney	<matey> "also there was this one girl who kept talking about robot neanderthals eating crickets"
[16:33]	britney	you vill eat ze crickets!
[16:33]	britney	<matey> waffle pocket
[16:33]	britney	that is a racial slur
[16:33]	MinceR	lol
[16:34]	TR News	indymedia https://digit.site36.net/2022/08/01/german-investigations-dropped-indymedia-platform-was-not-a-criminal-association/ | Source: Site36
[16:34]	TR Bot	 German Investigations dropped: Indymedia platform was not a criminal association Security Architectures in the EU
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[16:34]	TR Bot	Wouldn't Steal..." Research Shows Why Many Anti-Piracy Messages Fail * TorrentFreak
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[16:34]	TR Bot	Blocking of Copyrighted Content to Be Punished Under Russian Draft Law * TorrentFreak
[16:34]	britney	"You Wouldn't Steal..." a car
[16:35]	britney	damn right I would if I could
[16:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	but steal...
[16:35]	britney	If I could steal a house by downloading it on the internet I would be a homeowner
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[16:36]	britney	That's whats so great about downloading but you can't download everything
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[16:38]	XRevan86	https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/08/01/a78454
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[16:42]	MinceR	you can't spell "homeowner" without "meow"
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[16:44]	TR Bot	Neutrality" is Back. It's Still a Corporate Welfare Scam and Internet Censorship Enabling Act - CounterPunch.org
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[16:45]	TR Bot	Pi Pico Development | Hackaday
[16:45]	TR News	"Bicycles need at least two wheels to be rideable, but [The Q] realized you dont necessarily need the wheels to be in one piece." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/31/trippy-bicycle-uses-multiple-partial-wheels/ | Source: Hackaday
[16:45]	TR Bot	Bicycle Uses Multiple Partial Wheels | Hackaday
[16:46]	TR News	NES Clon https://hackaday.com/2022/07/31/hackaday-prize-2022-an-eastern-bloc-nes-clone/ | Source: Hackaday
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[16:51]	TR Bot	 Why Is July 30th National Whistleblower Day?
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[16:54]	TR Bot	The Unique Look Of Unobtainable Aerochrome Film | Hackaday
[16:55]	TR News	">In the context of Assange, Britain has been a willing jailor from the start" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/01/penal-assassination-the-gradual-effort-to-kill-assange/ | Source: Counter Punch
[16:55]	TR Bot	Assassination: The Gradual Effort to Kill Assange - CounterPunch.org
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[16:58]	TR News	Theft, amassing wealth and power https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/01/to-reduce-inflation-control-corporate-profits/ | Source: Counter Punch
[16:58]	TR Bot	Reduce Inflation, Control Corporate Profits - CounterPunch.org
[16:58]	TR News	Pelosi the Microsoft shareholder https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/01/five-reasons-why-nancy-pelosi-should-postpone-a-trip-to-taiwan/ | Source: Counter Punch
[16:58]	TR Bot	Reasons Why Nancy Pelosi Should Postpone a Trip to Taiwan - CounterPunch.org
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[16:59]	TR News	Clemency https://truthout.org/articles/biden-should-grant-clemency-to-drone-warfare-whistleblower-daniel-hale/ | Source: TruthOut
[16:59]	TR Bot	 Biden Should Grant Clemency to Drone Warfare Whistleblower Daniel Hale
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[17:00]	TR News	Microsoft Pelosi, shareholder in organised crime, is creating political chaos for no good reason https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/01/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-visit-could-get-us-all-killed | Source: Common Dreams
[17:00]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Nancy Pelosi Taiwan Visit Could Get Us All Killed | Norman Solomon
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[17:05]	TR News	"Imagine the days when youd pick up your phone, dial and get through to a human being." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/01/callers-say-cant-get-through-callees-say-dont-want-to-let-them-through/ | Source: Counter Punch
[17:05]	TR Bot	say Cant Get Through Callees say Dont Want to Let Them Through - CounterPunch.org
[17:08]	TR News	Padloc: An Intuitive Open-Source Password Manager Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167892
[17:08]	TR Bot	 Padloc: An Intuitive Open-Source Password Manager | Tux Machines
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[17:10]	TR Bot	 New Release of Linux Mint (3 Flavours) | Tux Machines
[17:11]	TR News	When the 'solution' is worse than the problem... welcome to Microsoft Windows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSm1GcuygM0
[17:11]	TR Bot	https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=tSm1GcuygM0
[17:11]	TR Bot	invidious.weblibre.org | Is CCleaner Malware? - Invidious
[17:12]	TR News	I decided to take Ubuntu MATE 22.04 LTS for a Spin - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=e5kwIO1zyTU | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/e5kwIO1zyTU
[17:12]	TR Bot	 I decided to take Ubuntu MATE 22.04 LTS for a Spin - Invidious
[17:13]	TR News	Pardus 21.3 overview | For Freedom - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=kzY71hm-LHU | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/kzY71hm-LHU http://techrights.org/2022/05/20/huseyin-guc-pardus-linux/
[17:13]	TR Bot	 Pardus 21.3 overview | For Freedom - Invidious
[17:13]	TR Bot	 Turkeys Migration to Pardus Linux and LibreOffice Explained 2 Months Ago in LibrePlanet | Techrights
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[17:20]	TR Bot	 APT vs. DNF vs. YUM: Linux Package Managers Compared | Tux Machines
[17:20]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines APT vs. DNF vs. YUM: Linux Package Managers Compared
[17:21]	TR News	How to Install Linux Kernel 5.19 in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | UbuntuHandbook https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/08/how-to-install-linux-kernel-5-19-in-ubuntu-22-04-lts/ Source: UbuntuHandbook | FreeSW | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/08/how-to-install-linux-kernel-5-19-in-ubuntu-22-04-lts/
[17:21]	TR Bot	 How to Install Linux Kernel 5.19 in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | UbuntuHandbook
[17:24]	MinceR	> APT vs. DNF vs. YUM
[17:24]	MinceR	no xbps
[17:25]	TR News	Luxtorpeda; not your daddys Steam Play compatibility tool (or maybe it is) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jPMadeMedmM | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/jPMadeMedmM
[17:25]	TR Bot	 Luxtorpeda; not your daddy's Steam Play compatibility tool (or maybe it is) - Invidious
[17:27]	TR News	Misadventures with bash shell gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-08-01.bash.gmi
[17:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	MinceR: not corporate enough
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[17:29]	XRevan86	MinceR: At least it's not dpkg vs. APT vs. apt-get
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[17:30]	XRevan86	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Rosetta Of course this is a much better article.
[17:30]	TR Bot	 pacman/Rosetta - ArchWiki
[17:30]	MinceR	:>
[17:32]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167894
[17:32]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[17:32]	TR News	APT vs. DNF vs. YUM: Linux Package Managers Compared Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167895
[17:32]	TR Bot	 APT vs. DNF vs. YUM: Linux Package Managers Compared | Tux Machines
[17:33]	TR News	The continued blocking of Al-Manassas and dozens of news websites in Egypt must stop - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/blocking-of-al-manassa-egypt/ Source: accessnow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/blocking-of-al-manassa-egypt/
[17:33]	TR Bot	 The continued blocking of Al-Manassas and dozens of news websites in Egypt must stop - Access Now
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[17:35]	TR Bot	 Videos: Luxtorpeda, Pardus, and Ubuntu MATE | Tux Machines
[17:35]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos: Luxtorpeda, Pardus, and Ubuntu MATE
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[17:38]	TR Bot	 [GIT PULL] x86/cpu for v6.0
[17:38]	TR News	MECOOL KP1 projector review Part 2: Android 11 TV OS and Full HD clarity https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/01/mecool-kp1-projector-review-android-11-tv-os-full-hd-clarity/
[17:38]	TR Bot	 MECOOL KP1 projector review - Part 2: Android 11 TV OS and Full HD clarity - CNX Software
[17:38]	TR News	Q4OS 4.10 Gemini, stable Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167897 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Q4OS_4.10_Gemini,_stable.shtml
[17:38]	TR Bot	 Q4OS 4.10 Gemini, stable | Tux Machines
[17:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Q4OS 4.10 Gemini, stable
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[17:39]	TR News	Do not become friends with GAFAM enablers? https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/08/ring-gives-videos-to-police-without-a-warrant-or-user-consent.html
[17:39]	TR Bot	Gives Videos to Police without a Warrant or User Consent - Schneier on Security
[17:40]	TR News	Talking about whether SURVEILLANCE equipment is "secure" or not is like debating how "tasty" a poison is
[17:42]	TR News	So despite all this spying it took many years to arrest your ARSE TECHNICALLY PEDOPHILE colleague (editor) for raping kids. While he was lying for Microsoft for a whole decade. Colleagues knew he was a pedo. His Microsoft 'articles' are STILL online! "https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/07/amazon-finally-admits-giving-cops-ring-doorbell-data-without-user-consent/
[17:42]	TR Bot	 Amazon finally admits giving cops Ring doorbell data without user consent | Ars Technica
[17:43]	TR News	In ARSE TECHNICALLY PEDOPHILE (Conde Nast fake ness site) "disparging" Microsoft is worse than raping kids under 10
[17:44]	TR News	ARSE TECHNICALLY PEDOPHILE UK (Ars Technica UK) was founded by Microsoft with Microsoft money. Their editor admitted this to me after I had pressed. That was before we all knew that Microsoft main mole in that site (editor of forums, too) was a pedo.
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[17:59]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/fanny
[17:59]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Fanny
● Aug 01
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[18:01]	britney	i use arch btw
[18:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	freenode is down btw
[18:02]	MinceR	i don't use arch btw
[18:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	btw stands for by the way btw
[18:02]	britney	btw im using 2.5GB of ram after a reboot
[18:03]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167898 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/today%27s_howtos.shtml
[18:03]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[18:03]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
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[18:03]	britney	it was almost at 6GB before the reboot, same apps
[18:03]	britney	memory leaks
[18:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	must be some very terrible sofwtare
[18:05]	MinceR	yeah, like systemd
[18:12]	britney	har har
[18:12]	britney	i checked and gnome only used about 300mb
[18:12]	britney	vlc was using the most
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[18:27]	britney	i thought of switching to KDE but c++ would likely leak memory too
[18:27]	britney	and its not gnome thats eating all my ram, discord is
[18:28]	matey	theres a first time for everything
[18:28]	britney	hey matey 
[18:28]	matey	gnome: om nom nom nom DISCORD: OM NOM NOM NOM NOM!
[18:28]		*Now talking on #techrights
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[18:28]	britney	i could switch to icewm and discord is still gonna go brrrrr
[18:29]	matey	discord: *belch*
[18:29]	matey	BRRRRRRRR
[18:29]	britney	discord, element, keybase and brave are all gonna still go brrrrrrrrr
[18:29]	matey	GNOME! VERSUS! DISCOOOOOOOOOOOOOORD! 
[18:29]	matey	FIGHT!
[18:29]	britney	gnome uses about as much as discord
[18:29]	britney	300MB
[18:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-31.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-01.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[18:30]	matey	============== gnome  |  discord ==============
[18:30]	matey	discord would be saying all the things its about to do, while its loading
[18:30]	britney	right now gnome shell is using 132MB and Discord is using 235MB
[18:31]	matey	while gnome would be bragging about every move in the fucking term window you launched the app from, like 10x more verbose than any other application
[18:31]	matey	fun fact, if you use --verbose with a gnome app, you can BREAK the INTERNET
[18:31]	bnchs	discord has designed their program (or rather an entire browser) to be as memory hogging as it can
[18:31]	matey	its like searching for "google" with google, so DONT do it!
[18:32]	britney	i've tried discord with pidgin and it works but i don't get all the scrollback
[18:32]	XRevan86	Fun fact: it's possible to reload the page in Electron (such as Discord) by pressing ^R
[18:33]	matey	you know its going to be a big fight because the ring actually has to be rebuilt several times DURING the match just to hold all this bullshit
[18:33]	matey	electron is a misnomer
[18:33]	matey	electrons take up VERY little space and have VERY little mass
[18:33]	matey	MOST scales are like "wha?"
[18:33]	matey	but "electron" is actually bloated as shit, it weighs like 500 lbs
[18:33]	matey	in software lbs
[18:34]	matey	so its sort of like "little john" who is the largest of the merry men
[18:34]	matey	little john electron
[18:34]	matey	you had some ram? now its gone
[18:35]	britney	I have 16GB of ram, im not running out of ram
[18:35]	matey	have you tried turning it off and on?
[18:35]	matey	silly fucking electron
[18:35]	britney	i did try turning it off and on, thats why im not using 6GB ram anymore
[18:35]	matey	I have 16GB of ram <- thats almost enough for the gnome version of discord
[18:35]	XRevan86	matey: How much are software 500 lbs in software kilos?
[18:36]	matey	XRevan86: over 9000
[18:36]	matey	its not a very exact conversion
[18:36]	matey	like agnostic to christian scientist
[18:37]	matey	do you know that christian scientists DONT use christian metric?
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[18:37]	matey	theyre still on christian imperial
[18:37]	britney	christian scientists lol
[18:37]	matey	some "scientists"!
[18:37]	XRevan86	221.5 kibibytes approximately.
[18:38]	XRevan86	matey: I don't actually know how to process that.
[18:38]	matey	neither do they, but its authoritative so they dont have to
[18:38]	britney	i want the pizza crickets!
[18:38]	matey	cricket poutine is the best one
[18:39]	matey	(another good name for a band)
[18:39]	britney	i like moho discontinuity
[18:39]	matey	ladies and gentlemen, tonight! in the ontario civic centre / hockey rink / dancehall...
[18:40]	matey	CRICKETTTTTTTTTTTT POU-TINNNEEEEEEEE!
[18:40]	britney	the moho discontinuity is where the hive mind neanderthals live
[18:40]	matey	*women go insane and throw their clothes at the zamboni machine in the corner*
[18:40]	britney	girls gone wild!
[18:40]	matey	the canadian version
[18:40]	matey	"whats with the camera, eh?"
[18:41]	matey	"youre supposed to take off your top"
[18:41]	matey	"no way hoser, its fucking cold up here!"
[18:41]	matey	"i havent taken off my top in 6 months eh"
[18:42]	matey	/me bases most impressions of canada from sctv, which was like 100 years ago
[18:42]	britney	sctv lol
[18:42]	britney	you should watch Trailer Park Boys
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[18:42]	matey	if it was any older it would be scradio
[18:42]	matey	my wife loved trailer park boys
[18:43]	britney	its such an amazing show
[18:43]	matey	its... something
[18:43]	CrystalMath	matey: i only know The Great White North
[18:43]	CrystalMath	that's from the 80s right
[18:43]	CrystalMath	Bob & Doug Mackenzie
[18:43]	britney	hey CrystalMath speaks!
[18:43]	CrystalMath	hi britney
[18:43]	britney	hi CrystalMath, i love your name
[18:43]	matey	im not saying it wasnt funny, it was
[18:43]	matey	we have those birds here
[18:44]	matey	the ones that go CHEEEEEEESEBURGERRRRR!
[18:44]	CrystalMath	britney: thanks :)
[18:44]	matey	ill whistle cheeseburger at them 
[18:45]	britney	i love cheeseburgers
[18:45]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BQA6CtrrZKs
[18:45]	TR Bot	 Trailer Park Boys - Chickadee Cheeseburger - Invidious
[18:46]	CrystalMath	i think matey has me on ignore, and i knew that before but then forgot
[18:46]	CrystalMath	and then realized it again, and then forgot again
[18:47]	britney	CrystalMath, what did you do that made matey block you?
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[18:47]	CrystalMath	britney: idk it must have been an argument about imperialism
[18:47]	matey	she probably shouldnt drink that if shes pregant or the baby might turn out just like his old man
[18:48]	matey	pregant adj. vt. knocked up with the headmaster of a school
[18:48]	matey	or rather from (possibly both)
[18:48]	CrystalMath	britney: i'm strongly anti-imperialist, and i specifically assert that people have a right to establish sovereign states with systems that are not liberal
[18:48]	matey	its important to define your typos properly or they could lead to confusion
[18:48]	britney	CrystalMath, its really hard to get matey mad
[18:49]	XRevan86	britney: CrystalMath is a proponent of radical freedom, which means that dictators are free to do anything as long as it annoys the EU.
[18:49]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: well they're free to do anything, but i will only LIKE it if it annoys the EU
[18:49]	CrystalMath	:P
[18:50]	XRevan86	britney: Basically, activelow and CrystalMath are our local putinists.
[18:50]	britney	putinists lol
[18:50]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: you posted some fake news btw, no one shot over the border yesterday, it was a protest in north kosovo
[18:51]	britney	oh i figured out that ulf is earthling
[18:51]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: some protester was armed but he lives there, it has nothing to do with serbia per se
[18:51]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: There was some confusion over what happened yesterday.
[18:51]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: the government decided to postpone some unpopular decisions so the protest has calmed down
[18:51]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AvKhAHflqvM
[18:51]	TR Bot	 TACO PUTTIN ON THE RITZ 2017 (A Tribute To Fred Astaire) - Invidious
[18:51]	matey	of course he i
[18:51]	matey	who the fuck else would say that shit?
[18:51]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Indeed.
[18:53]	britney	matey, lol yeah the stuff about the UN 
[18:53]	britney	IBM Wintel Pentagon controls every PC
[18:53]	matey	not many people know this
[18:54]	matey	but when he was younger
[18:54]	matey	earthling was the zima guy https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yUcq9_IsnXM
[18:54]	TR Bot	 Zima commercial (1994) - Invidious
[18:54]	ulf	not many people know GNU/FSF etc. "endorse" it, it's "free" instead they say
[18:55]	britney	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4715B10QLU
[18:55]	TR Bot	https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=D4715B10QLU
[18:55]	TR Bot	youtube.076.ne.jp | COVID19 MAGA Coffin Dance Idiot Tribute - Invidious
[18:55]	ulf	that's why, i wonder, and whose payroll they are, those "non-profit" "NGO" etc.
[18:55]	britney	ulf, you can find out, their financials are public
[18:55]	ulf	didn't Putin demand those "NGO" register accordingly and reveal their sources of income?
[18:56]	XRevan86	https://agents.media/berezkin-en/
[18:56]	TR Bot	 Articles whitewashing Kremlin-affiliated businessman Grigory Berezkin and his company, RBC, have appeared inthe world media. The articles show signs of aPR campaign aimed atbenefiting Berezkin, who istrying toescape Western sanctions 
[18:56]	ulf	sure britney, and i trust those reports as much as i believe Trumpovitsch and his tax filings
[18:56]	matey	if you know where you can go to why dont you go where ruscists sit
[18:56]	matey	PUTIN on the ritz
[18:56]	britney	ulf, so you're accusing the GNU/FSF of fraud?
[18:57]	matey	stalinists in army p-coats with medals pinned to their coats its such bullshit
[18:57]	matey	PUTIN on the ritz
[18:57]	ulf	britney: i do knot know, if they're only some deluded idealists, or idiots, or mobsters.
[18:58]	matey	western ones at that
[18:58]	matey	eastern mobsters-- eh
[18:58]	ulf	and, i only followed some talks from RMS, otherwise do not know anyone else
[18:58]	britney	RMS is a mobster?
[18:58]	ulf	although, some particular technical details, reveal who they really are
[18:58]	matey	western mobsters-- OH MY GOD https://yewtu.be/watch?v=E58qLXBfLrs
[18:58]	TR Bot	 Kanye West - Can't Tell Me Nothing - Invidious
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[18:59]	ulf	britney: i do not know, what the real motives of RMS and FSF/GNU are.
[18:59]	ulf	this is what i want to know
[18:59]	ulf	in any case, what's advertised as "free" isn't anymore
[18:59]	matey	48 million people being invaded in ukraine? THAT SOUNDS LIKE A CHOICE!
[18:59]	britney	ulf, what is free?
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[19:00]	ulf	britney: what are those projects of the GNU/FSF/RMS: GCC, their glorious build-system, bash, GNOME, the whole bunch of anti-competitive plunder
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[19:01]	matey	<britney> ulf, what is free? <- https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HEXWRTEbj1I
[19:01]	TR Bot	 Haddaway - What Is Love [Official] - Invidious
[19:02]	matey	it was only a matter of time before "i would do anything for love but i wont do that" was made into a german techno dance remix
[19:03]	matey	and thats what we did
[19:05]	matey	if you play the video for "i would do anything for love but i wont do that" synced with the audio for "easy lover" by genesis and the guy from earth wind and fire
[19:05]	matey	it works pretty well
[19:06]	techuser	love is evil
[19:06]	matey	love is evol backwards
[19:06]	techuser	it ruins lives
[19:06]	matey	its the only way, youll ever know know know know ahhhhhhhahhhh
[19:07]	matey	shell take your heart but you wont feel it-- like no other, before you know it youll be on your knees
[19:07]	techuser	cuddlybear66 thinks she won't fuck it up and will have a good family with good children, but I'm not that optimistic
[19:07]	matey	anything is possible
[19:07]	cuddlybear66	u should be 
[19:08]	cuddlybear66	
[19:08]	matey	not every family is too fucked up
[19:11]	techuser	there are a lot of divorces
[19:11]	techuser	also many people don't divorce, but remain unhappy
[19:14]	CrystalMath	matey: you are insane, most people on this world are anti-western, and most of ukraine too
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[19:20]	matey	 there no hard rule that fits everyone
[19:20]	matey	except the obvious one
[19:20]	matey	theyre all but
[19:20]	matey	nuts 
[19:20]	matey	keyboards is but too
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[19:28]	XRevan86	"and most of ukraine too" <- Why most? All 146% of them.
[19:31]	MinceR	:>
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[19:31]	MinceR	01 192739 < britney> i thought of switching to KDE but c++ would likely leak memory too
[19:31]	MinceR	how does C++ leak memory?
[19:31]	MinceR	01 192856 < britney> i could switch to icewm and discord is still gonna go brrrrr
[19:31]	MinceR	maybe get rid of shitcord, then
[19:33]	MinceR	lol @ christian "scientists"
[19:33]	MinceR	rotfl @ ruscism being "anti-imperialist"
[19:35]	MinceR	"what we do is not imperialism specifically (and only) because we said it wasn't imperialism"
[19:35]	XRevan86	MinceR: Fire with fire, some vaguely defined fire with quite literal fire.
[19:35]	MinceR	lol
[19:35]	MinceR	their denial goes further than that
[19:36]	XRevan86	"I'm a fire fighter, I see fire in your eyes" *brings out the flame thrower*
[19:38]	XRevan86	Yea, not funny, I get it: too accurate.
[19:39]	MinceR	"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?"
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[19:42]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/good-3
[19:42]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Good
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[20:02]	britney	<MinceR> how does C++ leak memory?
[20:02]	britney	https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/
[20:02]	TR Bot	 C++ is Good for the Economy, It Creates Jobs!
[20:03]	britney	C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. Bjarne Stroustrup
[20:07]	MinceR	[not in citation given]
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[20:14]	britney	c++ is so bad that it causes bugs because its so hard to write good code for it
[20:16]	britney	it also seems to take forever to compile software made in c++
[20:16]	XRevan86	The kilometrage varies significantly depending on how the software is written.
[20:18]	MinceR	C is harder to write good cood for
[20:18]	MinceR	s/cood/code/
[20:19]	britney	at some point my vlc was using 800mb and its a c++ app
[20:19]	britney	it was clearly leaking ram
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[20:25]	MinceR	and you concluded that the only possible cause of that memory leak can be the language it was implemented in
[20:25]	MinceR	a language that only officially supported manual memory management for ages
[20:26]	MinceR	just like C
[20:26]	XRevan86	MinceR: Rewrite it in Rust, and all the problems will be magically solved :)
[20:26]	britney	Golang
[20:27]	MinceR	lol
[20:27]	XRevan86	Unironic answer to ironic proposition, cool.
[20:30]	XRevan86	Google's also developing Carbon now.
[20:31]	XRevan86	Its difference from Rust is not clear to me.
[20:31]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22072043
[20:31]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/4a503bc1kub91.png created on 2022-07-20 16:36:02.400109
[20:32]	ulf	with programs written in c++ an undeniable tendency exists for excess resource requirements
[20:32]	ulf	in comparison to software written in C
[20:33]	ulf	besides, OpenJDK, written in C++, is among the worst of those
[20:34]	XRevan86	With programmes written in C an undeniable tendency exists for excess resource requirements, in comparison to software written in IA-16 assembly.
[20:35]	ulf	however, the problem are C++ and their compilers
[20:35]	XRevan86	Besides, Xonotic, written in C, is among the worst of those.
[20:36]	ulf	well, xonotic was worse than nexuiz
[20:36]	techuser	I know Xonotic has stats sending
[20:36]	techuser	it also has debugging mode to enable displaying connections made
[20:36]	techuser	so even if the stats are supposedly disabled, it still sends them
[20:36]	techuser	just they are not displayed
[20:36]	XRevan86	ulf: That's not even mimicking, that's a random unrelated opinion.
[20:37]	techuser	also update checking, why even do it when we have package managers?
[20:38]	XRevan86	techuser: For the poor and the oppressed: Windows users?
[20:38]	techuser	can disable it for GNU/Linux
[20:38]	techuser	also, Microsoft Store since recently
[20:39]	ulf	GNU toolchain wreckage in C++ isn't a random unrelated opinion
[20:39]	XRevan86	I could've written "Besides, Nexiuz Classic, written in C, is among the worst of those.", and that would've changed nothing.
[20:40]	MinceR	a big part of nexuiz classic and xonotic is written in QuakeC
[20:40]	MinceR	afaik it's a bigger part relative to the engine than in the case of original Quake
[20:42]	XRevan86	Of course, Xonotic's (Nexiuz Classic's, sure) heaviness is related to the programming language in no way whatsoever, it's a 3D game. And OpenJDK well, ye can guess.
[20:44]	ulf	darkplaces engine was relatively efficient, had a capable software rasterizer too
[20:44]	ulf	what are you trying to say XRevan86 ?
[20:44]	XRevan86	ulf: That OpenJDK being heavy is not caused by it being written in C++.
[20:45]	ulf	XRevan86: wrong. C++ contributes considerable to this, although it's not the only problem with OpenJDK
[20:45]	ulf	y
[20:45]		*MinceR wonders if we'll ever see any of these claims supported by evidence
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[20:48]	XRevan86	MinceR: Look at OpenJDK, then look at hello-world.c, the answer is obvious.
[20:49]	MinceR	lol
[20:49]	MinceR	the filename of hello-world.c doesn't fit in 8.3, it's obviously too bloated
[20:51]	XRevan86	MinceR: True, and it's probably written in a bloated modern C, now HELLOWORL.C written in pre-C89 ("K&R C"), that's the stuff.
[20:51]	ulf	comparison: tinycc compiler ~100K LoC, compiles including cross compilers in a few seconds
[20:52]	XRevan86	MinceR: I think we just got confirmed on the activelow.
[20:52]	ulf	GCC, dozens of millions of LoC, requires hours to compile, and another few hours for the cross-toolchains
[20:52]	ulf	amazing
[20:52]	XRevan86	* confirmation
[20:52]	ulf	and with C++, this was improved that much, the best ever free shit brought to you by the FSF
[20:53]	britney	ulf, does this have to do with ICBM Wintel Pentagon stuff?
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[20:54]	ulf	britney: it's a "non-profit" "NGO" for 
[20:54]	ulf	"freedom"
[20:55]	britney	so linux is a conspiracy?
[20:55]	ulf	linux? i don't think it was when LT began.
[20:57]	britney	GNU/FSF and the United Nations right?
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[21:01]	ulf	anyway, ITU-T (Telecom), is the oldest international organization of the UN, to begin there
[21:01]	ulf	although, whoever hijacked this, i don't give a whatever wherever
[21:02]	ulf	was surprised to read about it myself, UN was involved with the funding of unicode support (Harfbuzz/Graphite/Cairo)
[21:02]	ulf	which was the crap GNOME incorprorated
[21:03]	ulf	which RMS is proud of, if i didn't misread him
[21:03]	ulf	so whoever whatever this is, the result is a gigantic wreckage, including the GNU toolchain
[21:07]	britney	im happy to use the official go compiler and not have to deal with that GNU nonsense 
[21:11]	ulf	britney: this google nonsense can't at least digest C89
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[21:22]	TR News	smolZINE - Issue 31 gemini://gemini.cyberbot.space/smolzine/smolzine-issue-31.gmi
[21:23]	TR News	You Can Get a Weird Domain Today gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-08-01-you-can-get-a-weird-domain-today.gmi
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[21:27]	TR News	UEFI Terra Firma for Attackers https://insights.sei.cmu.edu/blog/uefi-terra-firma-for-attackers/ Source: insights | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//insights.sei.cmu.edu/blog/uefi-terra-firma-for-attackers/ http://techrights.org/wiki/UEFI
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[21:30]	TR News	Changing the subject when the real news is Linux release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167871#comment-34485
[21:30]	TR Bot	 Linus Torvalds Released Linux Kernel 5.19 From An Apple Hardware Running Asahi Linux | Tux Machines
[21:35]	TR News	2022.31 JustinTimeRelease - Rakudo Weekly News https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/08/01/2022-31-justintimerelease/ Source: rakudoweekly | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//rakudoweekly.blog/2022/08/01/2022-31-justintimerelease/
[21:35]	TR Bot	 2022.31 JustinTimeRelease Rakudo Weekly News
[21:35]	MinceR	(cat) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/fvTLtwN
[21:35]	TR Bot	 Meet Cinder - rimgo
[21:36]	TR News	"The minimum requirements for Rust toolchains targeting Linux will increase with the Rust 1.64.0 release (slated for September 22nd, 2022)." https://blog.rust-lang.org/2022/08/01/Increasing-glibc-kernel-requirements.html
[21:36]	TR Bot	 Increasing the glibc and Linux kernel requirements | Rust Blog
[21:36]	TR News	"The 2022 Linux Plumbers Conference (LPC) has announced its schedule. The conference will be held in Dublin, Ireland, September 12-14" https://lwn.net/Articles/903481/
[21:36]	TR Bot	2022 Linux Plumbers Conference schedule is out [LWN.net]
[21:37]	TR News	Warning: blocking online platforms in Kenya will spread election disinformation - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/kenya-online-platforms-social-media-blocking-internet-shutdown-election/ Source: accessnow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/kenya-online-platforms-social-media-blocking-internet-shutdown-election/
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[21:38]	TR Bot	 Emmabunts Collectif pour le remploi des ordinateurs et distribution Linux base sur Debian
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[21:42]	TR Bot	 Money Keeps Raining Down From The AWS Cloud
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[21:44]	TR News	Hopefully Intel too will be out of business too (but Biden is bailout out CHIPS companies now) https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/01/optane_intel_cancellation/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_Crimes_and_Offences
[21:44]	TR Bot	 Why the end of Optane is bad news for the entire IT world The Register
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[21:46]	TR News	Privileged Conversations - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/privileged-conversations-2/ Source: publicknowledge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//publicknowledge.org/privileged-conversations-2/
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[21:50]	TR News	Openwashing by bloodthirtsy empire https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/29/dept_of_defense_funds_google_skywater_os_chips/
[21:50]	TR Bot	 US DoD funds Google and SkyWater to enable open-source chips The Register
[21:51]	TR News	"From July 23 to July 27, four members of the Buildroot community gathered in the sunny south of France for a 5-day long hackathon on Buildroot: Yann Morin, Romain Naour from Smile, Arnout Vandecappelle from Mind and Thomas Petazzoni from Bootlin" https://bootlin.com/blog/buildroot-summer-2022-hackathon/
[21:51]	TR Bot	Summer 2022 Hackathon - Bootlin's blog
[21:52]	TR News	"The black and white e-paper display offers a resolution of 800 x 480 pixels, is Arduino programmable and backward compatible with earlier T5 E-paper solution, and should be one of the most cost-effective to way to make a wireless E-paper display." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/01/7-5-inch-e-paper-display-esp32-boards/
[21:52]	TR Bot	 $52 7.5-inch E-paper display connects to ESP32 boards - CNX Software
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[22:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines The Pine Formula
[22:02]	TR News	EasyOS 32-bit works on old Aspire 3681WXMi laptop Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167900
[22:03]	TR Bot	 EasyOS 32-bit works on old Aspire 3681WXMi laptop | Tux Machines
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[22:03]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Testing LibreOffice 7.4 RC2 and the Annual Report
[22:10]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22072032
[22:10]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/2fz1szjutmc91.jpg created on 2022-07-20 12:01:25.517435
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[22:30]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Games: Valve, MangoHud, and OpenRazer
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[22:31]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Servers: Adaptable Linux Platform (ALP) and Fathers of Kubernetes
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[22:31]	TR Bot	 This GNOME Extension Brings Material You Vibes to Linux Desktops | Tux Machines
[22:31]	TR News	Linux Mint 21 is Now Available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167848#comment-34486
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[22:54]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167909
[22:54]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[22:54]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167910 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Today_in_Techrights.shtml
[22:54]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[22:54]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Today in Techrights
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[23:04]	MinceR	steve ballmer looks appropriately demonic
[23:05]	TR News	[Meme] Breaking Out the Champagne for a Landmark Occasion | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/djukanovic-and-campinos/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/01/djukanovic-and-campinos/
[23:05]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Breaking Out the Champagne for a Landmark Occasion | Techrights
[23:06]	phanes	yeah he's not hard to picture eating entrails on the far end of a 60 foot long dining table in a suit
[23:06]	phanes	like with his hands
[23:07]	phanes	reminds me of that movie "Trolls"
[23:07]	phanes	from the 80s
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[23:08]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22072027
[23:08]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.imgur.com/FQ7tBur.png created on 2022-07-20 10:39:19.001784
[23:08]	MinceR	"They're eating her! And then, they're going to eat me! Oh my gawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwd!"
[23:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	once again a series on EPO corruption will lead us to exposing state level corruption
[23:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	next month
[23:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's all connected
[23:16]	schestowitz-TR	 Breaking Out the Champagne for a Landmark Occasion | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/djukanovic-and-campinos/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/01/djukanovic-and-campinos/
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/djukanovic-and-campinos/
[23:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	sorry, wrong account
[23:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	shuffled some stuff aroudn today, system updates and all
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[23:19]	AdmFubar	https://www.pogowasright.org/usa-offers-foreign-states-access-to-1-1-billion-biometric-encounters-in-return-for-reciprocal-database-access/
[23:19]	TR Bot	 USA offers foreign states access to 1.1 billion biometric encounters in return for reciprocal database access
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	it'll leak eventually
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	leak to everywhere
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then what?
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	afaik, they have my fingerprints
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	because I traveled 16 years ago
[23:20]	britney	like c++ memory leaks
[23:21]	AdmFubar	https://www.pogowasright.org/these-companies-know-when-youre-pregnant-and-theyre-not-keeping-it-secret/
[23:21]	TR Bot	 These Companies Know When Youre PregnantAnd Theyre Not Keeping It Secret
[23:21]	TR News	Making a COPR package gemini://remyabel.srht.site/posts/2022-08-01.gmi
[23:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	many homes have internet-connected microphones
[23:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	they're called smart
[23:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	and "assistents"
[23:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	*tants
[23:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	they make thee state smat
[23:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	and assist the state
[23:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	and by state I mean corporate state
[23:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	of course only terrorists would oppose such a delighful advancement
[23:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	microphoneless homes  = terror cedlls
[23:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	*cells
[23:23]		*phanes feels like jabba the hutt whenever he uses grubhub to order food
[23:26]	MinceR	pizza the hutt
[23:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	jabba farmer
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[23:30]	DaemonFC	That might be a good description today.
[23:31]	DaemonFC	I ate too much and ended up taking a nap.
[23:31]	AdmFubar	roy you need your fingers slimmed :P
[23:41]	XRevan86	britney: What's your opinion on https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/raii ?
[23:41]	TR Bot	 RAII - cppreference.com
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