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oiaohmdecnet: Google did some highly questionable stuff.    They had developed a whole stack of auto stuff https://github.com/google/autoNov 01 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - google/auto: A collection of source code generators for Java.Nov 01 00:03
oiaohmdecnet: so Oracle Java binary class file in automatic generated .class source file out....  Yep this is copyright infringement by the courts.Nov 01 00:04
oiaohmdecnet: so it one thing to write your own java implementation only using the documentation is another thing todo what google did with android stuff.Nov 01 00:06
decnetI don't follow, if Google developed this generator that outputs source code, how is this questionable?Nov 01 00:06
oiaohmIts a transformative copy without any human interaction Nov 01 00:06
decnetAh, Android, but I thought Microsoft 'owned' Android?Nov 01 00:07
decnetgenerator is not the same as copy!Nov 01 00:07
oiaohmThat was googles ideaNov 01 00:08
oiaohmthe court did not end up agreeing.Nov 01 00:08
XRevan86decnet: Microsoft makes contracts with vendors, the result is MSOffice bundled with Samsung devicesNov 01 00:08
decnetso Microsoft is suing Microsoft for using Android?Nov 01 00:09
decnet"Why Microsoft Makes $5 to $15 From Every Android Device Sold" https://www.howtogeek.com/183766/why-microsoft-makes-5-to-15-from-every-android-device-sold/Nov 01 00:09
XRevan86But Android itself is completely a Google thing.Nov 01 00:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | Why Microsoft Makes $5 to $15 From Every Android Device SoldNov 01 00:09
oiaohmdecnet: when the generator is decoding the debugging information on the class its even more questionable.Nov 01 00:10
XRevan86And they enforce their will through gapps licensing.Nov 01 00:10
oiaohmdecnet: copyright of a book does not go away because you translate it into a new language by automated means.  Same applies to source code/binaries.Nov 01 00:10
decnetoiaohm: you sound like a lawyer, is the input to this generator copyrighted - no - then the output can't be copyrighted.Nov 01 00:11
oiaohmdecnet: at the time google did it there was no legal ruling so google played in legal grey area and has got burnt.Nov 01 00:11
decnetIf a human read the source and re-implemented the functionality in different source, is this copying - no#!, likeNov 01 00:12
oiaohmIf input of generator is copyrighted to someone else expected the output to still be copyrighted to the same someone else.    This is true with images books......  So source code is no differenent.Nov 01 00:13
oiaohmTo be legally safe you would use documentation  One team documents what has to be implemented then another team implements from that documentation.Nov 01 00:14
oiaohmthis normally generates a few unique errors showing independent development.Nov 01 00:14
decnet> If input of generator is copyrighted to .. you are in error.Nov 01 00:15
oiaohmdecnet: you could be using a source generator on a binary that is your own copyright when you have lost the source code it does happen.Nov 01 00:16
XRevan86I'd like to shift this law talk to the OpenJDK turf.Nov 01 00:16
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decnetYes, enough lawyer talk .......................................................Nov 01 00:17
oiaohmOpenJDK Microsoft had not signed OCA in the past because there was a joint settlement agreement over Microsoft Java screw up that just run out. Nov 01 00:18
XRevan86Why is it copyright infringement to reimplement something that has been already released as Free Software?Nov 01 00:18
oiaohmOpenJDK was release GPL/LGPL google wanted MIT license.Nov 01 00:18
XRevan86Oh, right, I see.Nov 01 00:19
oiaohmChanging a license without correct legal permission is still copyright infringement.Nov 01 00:19
XRevan86Google violated copyleft then.Nov 01 00:19
XRevan86I didn't think of it that way.Nov 01 00:20
oiaohmand Orcale being Oracle you breach any of their copyrights they will enforce to the full force of law.Nov 01 00:20
MinceReven if you don't :>Nov 01 00:21
XRevan86or rather, *debatably* violated copyleftNov 01 00:21
MinceRalso, don't brew ale from orcs, it will be extremely nastyNov 01 00:22
oiaohmXRevan86:  the way the court case is going is did violate .   At the time google staff did it it was might be ok but there is no legal ruling on the matter heck lets just try it and see if we get away with it.Nov 01 00:23
MinceRdidn't one of the court rulings say google didn't violate copyright?Nov 01 00:24
XRevan86MinceR: Not the latest one.Nov 01 00:24
oiaohmI would not recommend trying anything slightly questionable around copyright law near Orcale stuff.   Yes they will push forwards and get running.Nov 01 00:24
oiaohmrunning/rulingNov 01 00:24
MinceRXRevan86: how could obstacle know about that when they filed the lawsuit?Nov 01 00:25
oiaohmMinceR: it still the same first case.Nov 01 00:25
MinceRi would not recommend relying on obstacle's stuffNov 01 00:25
oiaohmMinceR: getting though the usa  Legal system takes ages.Nov 01 00:25
MinceRnot only are they evil, most (if not all) of their stuff is shitNov 01 00:25
MinceRand they don't deserve the mindshareNov 01 00:25
XRevan86or forkedNov 01 00:25
MinceRoiaohm: and until you do, you don't know whether copyright was breachedNov 01 00:26
XRevan86The only exception being VirtualBox. Oh well, they seem to behave themselves, apart from https://redd.it/d1ttzpNov 01 00:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Oracle is going after companies using Virtualbox Extension Pack with download logs and their office IP. Oracle copying the old Torrenting lawsuits for its free for home user licenses that exclude businesses. : sysadminNov 01 00:26
MinceRvirtualbox is pretty shitty tooNov 01 00:26
MinceRit only looks good because the other virtualizers for winblows are even worseNov 01 00:27
XRevan86MinceR: They actively develop it.Nov 01 00:27
MinceRi got tired of dealing with features disappearing from virtualbox either permanently or until the guest was rebootedNov 01 00:27
XRevan86The improvement is there.Nov 01 00:27
oiaohmMinceR: we have got to the point that Google has coincided that X number of lines were copyied incorrectly.  Its in how much is that mistake going to cost google in money.Nov 01 00:27
MinceRXRevan86: i know, it advertised new releases extremely annoyinglyNov 01 00:27
MinceRit's still unreliable thoughNov 01 00:27
MinceRoiaohm: i'm also interested in the question of how many more developers will make the mistake of depending on obstacle stuff in the futureNov 01 00:28
MinceRi would stay away from javaNov 01 00:28
XRevan86MinceR: Our luck Java is pretty crappy.Nov 01 00:29
MinceRyeahNov 01 00:29
MinceRmost of this industry is shit, thoughNov 01 00:29
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XRevan86MinceR: And chooses to apply JavaScript where it doesn't belong.Nov 01 00:30
XRevan86Not shit in the particular way that favours Java much.Nov 01 00:31
oiaohmMinceR: the question is going to be at the end is android dex stuff going to make it way back to openjdk.Nov 01 00:31
MinceRanother question is will anyone ever come up with a mobile OS that isn't shitNov 01 00:32
XRevan86It seems the hippiest language on the "back-end" is Go right now.Nov 01 00:32
MinceRlol no genericsNov 01 00:32
decnetYes: it was called TRON, the real time operating system.Nov 01 00:32
XRevan86MinceR: Yes, that one %).Nov 01 00:33
decnethttps://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/TRON-The-Real-Time-Operating-System-NucleusNov 01 00:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-whatis.techtarget.com | What is TRON (The Real-Time Operating System Nucleus)? - Definition from WhatIs.comNov 01 00:33
XRevan86RTON?Nov 01 00:33
XRevan86Why TRON?Nov 01 00:33
decnetIt was designed scecifically for smal embedded devices, like mobile phones!Nov 01 00:34
MinceRmovie referenceNov 01 00:34
XRevan86The real-time Operating-system Nucleus? Seems forced.Nov 01 00:34
MinceRdoes it have a free software implementation?Nov 01 00:34
XRevan86* Real-timeNov 01 00:34
decnethttps://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/TRON-The-Real-Time-Operating-System-NucleusNov 01 00:34
XRevan86"movie reference" – duhNov 01 00:35
XRevan86MinceR: A cute film, I liked it. But not much.Nov 01 00:35
XRevan86Made me see TRON: Legacy. Somehow that one made even less sense.Nov 01 00:36
decnetNot a lot of CGI, apart from the lightcycles, the rest was hand pated cells.Nov 01 00:36
decnethand painted b/w cells coloured in.Nov 01 00:37
decnetot; slashdot has gone to the dogs too.https://it.slashdot.org/story/19/10/31/155253/china-linked-hackers-target-military-government-texts-fireeye-saysNov 01 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-it.slashdot.org | China-Linked Hackers Target Military, Government Texts, FireEye Says - SlashdotNov 01 00:39
MinceRlong agoNov 01 00:39
decnetyea, any recommendations for decent techie sites?Nov 01 00:39
MinceRtechrights :>Nov 01 00:40
decnetThe layout could do with fixing, a bit too cluttered.Nov 01 00:40
decnetI'm off ..Nov 01 00:41
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XRevan86A bigger priority is fixing the software part…Nov 01 00:42
*XRevan86 remembers %).Nov 01 00:42
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schestowitz[23:38] <decnet> anyways what do you think of the Microsoft Register article? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/31/microsoft_joins_java_openjdk/Nov 01 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | 'No more room for wars in the new world'? Who are you and what have you done with Microsoft? • The RegisterNov 01 01:43
schestowitz[23:39] <MinceR> the register falls for bullshit yet againNov 01 01:43
schestowitzThat's Microsoft Tim http://techrights.org/2008/11/09/bribe-for-vista-7-review/Nov 01 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Tim Anderson Received Bribe for Vista 7 Review | TechrightsNov 01 01:43
schestowitztypical of himNov 01 01:43
MinceR:>Nov 01 01:44
schestowitz[00:40] <MinceR> techrights :>Nov 01 01:44
schestowitzcheers mateNov 01 01:44
MinceR:)Nov 01 01:44
schestowitzwe need to document more who's who in journalismNov 01 01:44
schestowitzwe still have an index for them, but it's badly out of dateNov 01 01:44
schestowitzmore of them don't write anywhere anymoreNov 01 01:44
schestowitzyesterday I saw the term "BILEfield"Nov 01 01:45
schestowitzreferring to byfieldNov 01 01:45
MinceR:>Nov 01 01:45
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/KV7778E.jpgNov 01 02:07
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XRevan86MinceR: Technically, no.Nov 01 02:09
XRevan86It's always The Future if the date is in the future from the date the script was conceived.Nov 01 02:10
XRevan86Also called "Alternative Timeline"Nov 01 02:11
superkuhI'm hyped for it to be 2019, the year before the (Neo) Tokyo olympics.Nov 01 02:11
XRevan86MinceR: It's especially visible with Star TrekNov 01 02:11
schestowitzsuperkuh: because of the olympics of tokyo?Nov 01 02:12
schestowitzor tokyoNov 01 02:12
XRevan86New series are being shot with the lore still insisting nuclear war already happened.Nov 01 02:12
superkuhThose were the words (approximately) at the start of Akira.Nov 01 02:13
XRevan86What's the alternative? Breaking continuity or rebooting just because IRL stuff hasn't turned out anywhere near as in the series?Nov 01 02:15
superkuhJust nuke tokyo.Nov 01 02:15
XRevan86Two birds with one stoneNov 01 02:15
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XRevan86Maybe in a hundred years people will discuss how there's no Babylon-class space station out there orbiting a distant planet…Nov 01 02:19
XRevan86What a disappointment.Nov 01 02:19
MinceRassuming there will be people in a hundred yearsNov 01 02:20
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/QHCA8M0.jpgNov 01 02:43
schestowitzhappy halloweenNov 01 02:44
schestowitzpagan-someNov 01 02:44
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schestowitz> x https://hackaday.com/2019/10/31/linuxs-marketing-problem/Nov 01 07:29
schestowitz> # intentionally ignores the OEM monopolyNov 01 07:29
schestowitz> =Nov 01 07:29
schestowitzI linked to that earlier anyway... there was a comment added by me... in social control media.Nov 01 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux’s Marketing Problem | HackadayNov 01 07:29
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/129985 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e028ee2b-aa20-44de-b818-31a55e05c12f]Nov 01 14:32
MinceRhttps://d4l6i3suptb3a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/pedophile-priest-costume.jpgNov 01 14:45
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 1/11/2019: More GNU/Linux Options at Dell, Vivaldi 2.9 and KaOS 2019.10 http://techrights.org/2019/11/01/linux-options-at-dell/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/0b5b8070-1874-47ae-a187-8295cc40176a]Nov 01 14:46
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Subcube, Fantastic Creatures, 3x64 and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/129986 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ee87ec22-81fb-48b8-a5a7-5ef8af20ff23]Nov 01 14:47
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schestowitznow in lxer http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=277150Nov 01 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The ‘Ethics in Software’ Decoy | TechrightsNov 01 15:44
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Survey: making Getting Things GNOME sustainable as a productivity app for public good http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/129991 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6ed6648e-d211-4640-8d85-f4f588e2f00f]Nov 01 16:30
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE: Plasma Mobile, Akademy, Qt Champion, KDE Frameworks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/129992 [https://pleroma.site/objects/995c97b4-5f9d-4734-82f6-e1cbe9a04ffb]Nov 01 16:36
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/632580.pngNov 01 16:46
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Halloween Update for FreeCAD & Debian Science Work http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/129994 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5424bda2-2dfa-4170-80d5-b319c6305543]Nov 01 17:15
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19080412Nov 01 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectNov 01 17:18
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 130,000! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/130000 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9ac2b268-04d6-4e1f-a885-5e4a7a27adc4]Nov 01 18:18
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: EuroPython, PyCharm, Python and Rust http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/130004 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7c0bfb60-bdc6-41fd-942b-7ca1d540c3ab]Nov 01 19:23
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MinceR(audio:important) https://i.imgur.com/kDe81Lv.mp4Nov 01 19:33
XRevan86MinceR: Will download in 13 minutes by wget's estimationsNov 01 19:52
*XRevan86 suspects something's not quite right.Nov 01 19:52
MinceRlolNov 01 19:53
schestowitzcorrectNov 01 19:53
schestowitzsomething iw not rightNov 01 19:53
schestowitzyour connection is too slow :-)Nov 01 19:53
schestowitzcaution: video contains words like ass and tites if I hear it correctlyNov 01 19:54
schestowitzand some guy uses his palmNov 01 19:54
XRevan86schestowitz: It indeed is. I don't get why.Nov 01 19:54
schestowitzand tites was misspelledNov 01 19:54
MinceRperhaps somebody insulted putler on imgurNov 01 19:54
schestowitzthottle it!Nov 01 19:54
schestowitzthrottleNov 01 19:55
XRevan8656 KiB/sNov 01 19:55
XRevan86Downloads from my VPS are almost as bad.Nov 01 19:56
XRevan86The irony – paid my ISP just today.Nov 01 19:57
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XRevan86YouTube works fineNov 01 19:59
XRevan862 MiB/sNov 01 19:59
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ten years of Nokia N900 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/130008 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f8ce07d5-2df0-4eb0-942e-a7de2758b846]Nov 01 20:20
XRevan86https://meduza.io/en/feature/2019/10/18/roberto-fabio-monda-cardenas from 18th of OctoberNov 01 20:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLENov 01 20:23
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XRevan86https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&u=https%3A%2F%2Fnewsru.com%2Frussia%2F01nov2019%2Finoagent_sud.html today's newsNov 01 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google TranslateNov 01 20:24
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XRevan86> Minjust's representative stated FBK's position to be "convinient" for all organisations which want to leave the registry, claiming that the foundation didn't send the money back immediately as didn't expect Minjust to notice the transaction and add FBK to the foreign agent registry.Nov 01 20:27
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XRevan86Quite a statement. How sneaky for them not to return the money when their account was suspended at the time of the transaction.Nov 01 20:29
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XRevan86https://meduza.io/en/news/2019/11/01/russia-s-supreme-court-liquidates-major-human-rights-organization-led-by-lev-ponomarevNov 01 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLENov 01 20:34
XRevan86I think I see a rough picture of what's planned for Alexei Navalny in the near future.Nov 01 20:34
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/AcujQwa.mp4Nov 01 20:57
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/j76pC7x.mp4   ( https://imgur.com/gallery/MyiPt97 )Nov 01 22:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Double Yin Yang animation - Album on ImgurNov 01 22:27
MinceR(audio:unimportant) https://hugelol.com/lol/632615Nov 01 22:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hugelol.com | Immersion broken IGN 0/10, Dammit Todd!Nov 01 22:34
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/hX2suqd.mp4   ( https://imgur.com/gallery/TXO383y )Nov 01 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When she says she wants to try something new - Album on ImgurNov 01 23:16
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