●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, January 02, 2021 ●● ● Jan 02 [00:00] psydroid I think they're making the best of the situation, but I hope this won't be the normality [00:01] psydroid however society at large is more important and things are quite unclear at the moment [00:01] schestowitz football is crucial at the moment [00:01] schestowitz helps distract the "plebs" from what's happening to the economy [00:01] schestowitz food safety etc. [00:02] schestowitz "Sure, I have no job to go back to next Monday, but at least UNITED is tops" [00:03] psydroid yeah [00:04] schestowitz the article from nytimes with rms in it is spreading https://www.mcall.com/consumer-reviews/sns-nyt-amazon-abstainers-20210101-af4l5hmcbjhipf55k7uv2bprly-story.html [00:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mcall.com | Life without Amazon (well, almost) - The Morning Call [00:05] schestowitz he's mentioned there [00:05] schestowitz 5th copy of this article I see today [00:06] schestowitz " [00:06] schestowitz >> Roy, sorry about that, and sorry it took me so incredibly long; that was [00:06] schestowitz >> unexpected, and I was under incredible pressure. [00:06] schestowitz > As many people are these days. [00:06] schestowitz Indeed. [00:06] schestowitz > Splitting groups apart is a strategy noted in internal documents [00:06] schestowitz > (Microsoft), and my writings are different from fig's (I disagree with [00:06] schestowitz > him on many things actually). [00:06] schestowitz *nod* [00:06] schestowitz Some people have some trouble understanding this, that you post stuff on [00:06] schestowitz a site you control even when you don't quite agree with it. Richard [00:06] schestowitz made a good point about this in an internal FSF discussion the other [00:06] schestowitz day: newspapers often publish diverse opinions too. [00:06] schestowitz He liked very much the article you published last week, in which you [00:06] schestowitz explained that techrights supports the FSF. He was pretty much sold on [00:06] schestowitz the idea of giving you the interview you've been trying to arrange for [00:06] schestowitz quite a while. [00:06] schestowitz " [00:06] schestowitz ^^ [00:06] schestowitz won't sat who's quoted, but some can guess [00:08] psydroid I guess I know who that is, but the message is most important [00:08] schestowitz people whom we criticise try to incite against us [00:08] schestowitz the usual tricks [00:08] schestowitz basically baseless [00:08] schestowitz or attributed to other people [00:09] schestowitz " [00:09] schestowitz Alas, others expressed concerns about the apparent change of position [00:09] schestowitz from the site, which I was unable to dispell, and about its being a [00:09] schestowitz "conspiracy site", which hurt even me to hear, but Richard, in his usual [00:09] schestowitz way ake of listening to everyone's concerns, agreed to keep it on hold [00:09] schestowitz for a bit longer, and to look at the "conspiracy" posts that were to be [00:09] schestowitz sent his way. JohnS mention stuff about nazis and unfounded rumours and [00:09] schestowitz Pocock and whatnot. Richard was to look into it and then possibly let [00:09] schestowitz you know his thoughts on publishing that sort of material. [00:09] schestowitz Anyway, I wanted to share that you've scored quite a goal with that one [00:09] schestowitz article, and that Richard is listening positively to you, though there [00:09] schestowitz is internal pressure against techrights that I think may be very hard to [00:09] schestowitz turn around. Which is pretty much the same uphill battle some of us [00:09] schestowitz have been fighting within the FSF, and gaining ground only very [00:09] schestowitz disappointingly slowly. [00:09] schestowitz Thanks for your support throughout these difficult times! [00:09] schestowitz " [00:10] schestowitz I wonder what those posts are [00:10] schestowitz surely not the IBM ones [00:10] schestowitz I am guessing Pocock on things like FSFE [00:10] schestowitz but who knows... [00:11] schestowitz Techrights associate: "Yes, ad hominem is all the opponents of Software Freedom have to come with, but they use it because to a certain extent it works. However, congratulations again on the good work and I am relieved that RMS and xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx are seeing the benefit of TR. [00:11] schestowitz "I'll look longer at the long form response. It is very important to continue to support RMS and his long standing efforts towards Software Freedom." [00:12] psydroid you can't please all of the people all of the time and sometimes you cause problems or discomfort without even trying [00:16] schestowitz well, it's like this: [00:16] schestowitz 1. we have a coup [00:16] schestowitz 2. some people want power [00:16] schestowitz 3. they succeeded to some degree [00:16] schestowitz 4. all communications of RMS must not go through someone else [00:16] schestowitz 5. we point out 1-4 [00:16] schestowitz 6. coup initiators not happy [00:16] schestowitz 7. attack (5), make sure people are not aware of the coup or don't think of it as such [00:16] schestowitz it's funny when RMS is like "ask me again later on" (like "I need to ask for permissiom") [00:16] schestowitz this is what the FSF became [00:16] schestowitz like a PR department trying to save itself from its own founder [00:17] schestowitz or so they tell us [00:17] schestowitz people joined and paid FSF for voices like his, not a bunch of poets who try to tell him when to keep quiet and attribute that to "safe space" policies [00:17] schestowitz brb coffee [00:22] XRevan86 CrystalMath: The script in this episode is very stupid. [00:24] psydroid yes, so it's still not the true message the FSF should be spreading and actually did for such a long time [00:25] psydroid transparency within an organisation is also important [00:26] schestowitz we did it for them [00:26] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/04/02/fsf-positive-note/ [00:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Inside the Free Software Foundation (FSF) Part IX: Semi-Happy Ending | Techrights [00:26] schestowitz series [00:28] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/02/28/the-rms-foothold/ [00:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Inside the Free Software Foundation (FSF) Part II: The Majority of the Board Supports Richard Stallman | Techrights [00:39] schestowitz Just for the record [00:39] schestowitz FSF is OK [00:39] schestowitz but there are factions in it [00:39] schestowitz you can find evidence of it in the public space as well [00:39] schestowitz they're still vying for power [00:39] schestowitz one faction is very much with us at techrights [00:40] schestowitz the other wants to drift in some questionable direction [00:40] schestowitz which is not what FSF earned support for in the first place [00:40] schestowitz FSF had a weakness exploited [00:40] schestowitz I saw the same in OSI [00:41] schestowitz you let people into positions of power -- people who don't truly value and sometimes don't understand FS [00:41] schestowitz LF is what happens when you drift waaaaaaay outside the original scope [00:41] psydroid is it people with a hunger for power vying over the increased power in the marketplace caused by the huge success of free software? [00:41] schestowitz and start hiring even Microsofters [00:41] schestowitz LF in its early days... had a CTO called.... Ian MURDOCK! [00:42] schestowitz In techrights the circle is still a little small, but at least we know who's who [00:42] schestowitz the whole "opening up" thing is an Open Source modus operandi [00:42] schestowitz it means open up to intrusion and controversy [00:43] schestowitz FSFE had that too [00:43] schestowitz Georg Greve was AWESOME [00:43] schestowitz when he left it became just a cash cow for companies it was supposed to combat and vice versa [00:43] schestowitz I have not kept track of where Greve is, I assume still at Kolab but lower profile [00:44] schestowitz same for aaron seigo [00:44] schestowitz canadian, moved to switzerland for work last I heard [00:44] schestowitz I am not sure if Greve is a Swiss, German, or both in nationality [00:45] schestowitz PJ disappeared complete, said she'd keep a Kolab account for communications [00:45] schestowitz not her entire site is offline, since late October, i.e. 2 months ago [00:45] schestowitz http://groklaw.net [00:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ http://groklaw.net ) [00:46] psydroid Georg Greve is German apparently [00:47] psydroid or well, that's what Wikipedia says [00:47] schestowitz lots of Germans want to be seen as Swiss [00:47] schestowitz or move there [00:47] schestowitz being german has negative connotation when you visit some places [00:47] *schestowitz is german national [00:48] schestowitz some hours ago a German friend sent this to me: [00:48] schestowitz " [00:48] schestowitz Please don't attribute this to me: [00:48] schestowitz The part about the EU Commission, under French pressure (which must have involved Breton for sure, as he's the French commissioner), being responsible for many people dying now as they haven't procured enough doses of COVID-19 vaccines, is really bad stuff. [00:48] schestowitz Der Spiegel and Focus are the two leading newsweeklies in Germany. Spiegel is center-left/liberal; Focus is center-right/libertarian. If they agree, it means something. And especially Spiegel is typically very much pro-EU. [00:48] schestowitz The current French administration is really a disaster for the EU. If Breton protected the French automotive industry, that would help against those Nordic patent trolls. Instead, he helps his long-standing friends in the telecoms sector. But when it came to COVID-19 vaccine procurement, he apparently blocked the purchase of hundreds of millions of more doses from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna. [00:48] schestowitz People will die, and the economic damage will dwarf whatever could go wrong in the automotive patent context... [00:48] schestowitz Trust me I don't give a damn that BioNTech is a German company; Pfizer and Moderna are American companies, and BioNTech was founded by Turkish immigrants, so it's not a matter of national pride. Even if a good vaccine came from Japan or Chile, I'd say "let's buy it". [00:48] schestowitz Best regards, [00:48] schestowitz " [00:48] psydroid I've been asked to move to Switzerland by former colleagues before as well, but I'm here for my studies and things got a bit delayed due to health issues [00:49] schestowitz Switzerland is the country I visited the most as a tourist [00:49] schestowitz my grandma is from there [00:50] schestowitz she still has (well, she died ages ago) lots of family and relatives in Zurich area and elsewhere [00:50] schestowitz but Switzerland is overrated [00:50] schestowitz Lots of issues with Switzerland [00:50] schestowitz it's a bank as 'country' [00:51] schestowitz a bit like Singapore, Macao, HK, London/City of London, Amsterdam, Lichtenstein, Panama... [00:53] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I've been looking into alternatives in case the interview is a disaster or something. [00:53] schestowitz Switzerland's population nearly double in decades, partly because it brain-drained other countries for the pharma and tech sector and partly because of the human rights aspect (which mean you import 'low-skilled' people) [00:53] schestowitz *doubled [00:53] DaemonFC[m] Among them is posting a public charge bond ensuring that they have our money on file in case he ever applied for a benefit, which is $9,500 on file with them for 5 years and then you can apply to get it back. [00:53] DaemonFC[m] Tough, but I could get it. Another is just moving to the Philippines myself. [00:53] schestowitz "In 2016, presidential candidate, Donald Trump said he would look into H1B visa abuse if he was elected. After he won the election, he seemed to forget his promise." http://www.ericmhuffman.com/2021/01/why-year-1990-was-so-important.html [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ericmhuffman.com | My Personal Blog: Why the Year 1990 Was So Important [00:54] schestowitz (new post) [00:54] schestowitz he makes a good point [00:54] schestowitz about diploma mills [00:54] schestowitz we had many 'fake' colleges here also [00:54] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: it's OK to retire in [00:54] DaemonFC[m] I hear it isn't difficult to get approval from them to live there. [00:54] schestowitz you would struggle financially over there [00:55] schestowitz obviously they want foreigners to bring their skills and money there [00:55] DaemonFC[m] Actually, the money I have coming in is about 3x what a nurse's salary is. [00:55] schestowitz but you can barely make a living [00:55] DaemonFC[m] From what I understand. [00:55] schestowitz more so during lockdowns [00:55] psydroid one of my colleagues in Dublin told me that all the German speakers quit their jobs with the company after a year and moved to Switzerland for jobs with twice the pay [00:55] psydroid or even more [00:55] schestowitz if they can, why not? [00:55] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: My guess is they don't have any public programs that I'd "risk becoming dependent on", so very little downside to letting me stay there for a while. [00:56] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: the interview would be oK [00:56] schestowitz mandy committed no crimes and is working [00:56] schestowitz they go after easier prety [00:56] schestowitz *prey [00:56] schestowitz unemployed and felonious [00:56] psydroid yes, I speak German and French fluently, which is what I was hired for [00:56] schestowitz don't think negative prematurely [00:57] DaemonFC[m] It says I make as much as an airline pilot does there. [00:57] schestowitz you also speak English, so can apply for EPO [00:57] DaemonFC[m] I think we'd live. [00:57] schestowitz not that they hire, they only pretend to [00:57] DaemonFC[m] EPO? [00:57] schestowitz european patent office [00:57] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: I replied to psydroid [00:58] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Yes, falling into depression and disarray prematurely, I'm no use to anyone. [00:58] DaemonFC[m] That's the only reason I'm forcing myself not to. [00:58] schestowitz nobody is doing well right now [00:58] schestowitz even those who claim they do [00:59] DaemonFC[m] But like I said, all options are on the table. All options. [00:59] schestowitz because their safety nets perish [00:59] schestowitz family, government... [00:59] schestowitz you have no safeguards [00:59] DaemonFC[m] I could move back to Indiana and obscure where I'm living. ● Jan 02 [01:00] DaemonFC[m] But that's not really an option long term. [01:00] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: you could always fall back on AmericanDream(TM) with 6 maxed up "credit" cards and trucks bringing water to you [01:00] schestowitz though banks don't lend much tight now [01:00] DaemonFC[m] Three major lawsuits in a year involving two credit card companies and your mortgage bank. [01:00] DaemonFC[m] We're living the "real life"! [01:01] schestowitz the lawyers get some money [01:01] schestowitz 'working' from home [01:01] schestowitz but their clients have limited means for paying [01:01] schestowitz UK is doing almost as badly a Trumpland [01:02] DaemonFC[m] This "everything is fine" ruse is wearing thin. [01:02] schestowitz our national debt/gdp ratio is nowhere as crazy [01:02] DaemonFC[m] Even the dumb people aren't enough to really believe that. [01:02] schestowitz iirc, national gdp around 7 tr (used to be) and debt 2 trillion as of months ago [01:02] schestowitz us gdp is lower than national debt [01:02] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Oh just wait. With the entire nation on lockdown.... [01:02] schestowitz so us is technically insolvent now [01:02] DaemonFC[m] Well, it's a matter of what you call bad. [01:03] DaemonFC[m] Low GDP growth and high debt is a feature of most countries now. [01:03] schestowitz militiaBad(TM) [01:03] DaemonFC[m] Japan is over 200%. [01:03] schestowitz yes, i was just about to mention Japan [01:03] DaemonFC[m] The nation isn't on the verge of coming apart though. [01:03] schestowitz and they lose lots of money on the IOC 'festival' [01:03] schestowitz no "games" this year either, no way [01:03] DaemonFC[m] Lots of suicide in Japan. [01:04] schestowitz I read some blogs from there [01:04] schestowitz you live in a shoebox [01:04] DaemonFC[m] Seems to be a culture of if you fail you're expected to off yourself. [01:04] schestowitz somewhere like Tokyo [01:04] schestowitz where you get buries in a 'drawer' if you die [01:04] schestowitz and they tell you to stay home [01:04] schestowitz i.e. inside your shoebox [01:04] schestowitz you too would get depressed [01:05] schestowitz not going to work, where people are workaholic and associate life with work [01:05] schestowitz one-room apartments with buffers as separators (bad, kitchenette)... like your motel room [01:05] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, that seemed to be part of Maricel's mad obsession with how much she worked. [01:05] schestowitz rural japan is also densely populated, so you don't get that much choice [01:05] DaemonFC[m] Most people see time at work as wasted being away from family and what they'd rather be doing. [01:06] DaemonFC[m] A necessary evil in exchange for money. [01:06] schestowitz they forget what life is for [01:06] schestowitz it's not for making monet [01:06] schestowitz money is a way to get by [01:06] schestowitz and to generally contribute back to society [01:06] schestowitz see American Psycho [01:06] schestowitz brb [01:06] schestowitz need to hand over [01:06] schestowitz just finished my shift at work [01:07] DaemonFC[m] Oh I already saw Filipino Psycho Mark in their white BMW nosing around the motel where were at. [01:07] DaemonFC[m] Looking for Mandy... [01:07] DaemonFC[m] She's been poking around trying to figure out where he is so she can get him in a corner and threaten him or something I guess. [01:08] DaemonFC[m] My reading of this is that if she's really managed to slip out of her affidavit of support and she's disowned him, why would she care where he is? [01:08] schestowitz keep a distance [01:08] schestowitz the psychos are cornered now [01:08] schestowitz unable to keep up with their "lifestyle" [01:09] DaemonFC[m] I'm not at all certain that the government did let them out of that affidavit, Roy. [01:10] DaemonFC[m] If they didn't, they're stuck agreeing to personally insure that he won't be a public charge if they grant his green card. [01:10] DaemonFC[m] So of course they'd be panicking and trying to get to him if that's the case. [01:11] DaemonFC[m] And they also would have wasted the money they paid the lawyer to fill out those papers. [01:11] schestowitz you'll be fine [01:11] schestowitz wait and see [01:11] schestowitz they look for easy targets [01:11] schestowitz the IRS does too [01:12] schestowitz no lack of easy prey for Immigration Services or whatever they're called in your state/country [01:12] schestowitz right now LOOOOOOADS of easy targets [01:12] schestowitz unemployed couples [01:12] schestowitz living on government cheques [01:12] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: That's probably why USCIS reopened in the middle of this. [01:12] DaemonFC[m] Drag everyone in there while the economy is bad. [01:12] DaemonFC[m] Say "Oh, no income.... Byeeeee!". [01:13] *birkoff has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:13] schestowitz yus [01:13] schestowitz basically that [01:13] schestowitz make sure that until the interview he keeps that promotion [01:13] DaemonFC[m] There's three main agencies in charge of immigration here. USCIS, ICE, and DOS. [01:13] schestowitz and then it looks like Essential Worker [01:13] schestowitz DOS? [01:13] schestowitz lol [01:14] schestowitz Dumb Operation Systems [01:14] DaemonFC[m] Department of State handles immigrations applying from outside the country, USCIS is for inside, and ICE is the enforcement and removal division. [01:15] schestowitz I think mandy should keep quiet in the interview [01:15] schestowitz unless asked directly [01:15] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Well, several attorneys have told me no reason to panic. Just fill out a new affidavit of support with the sponsor/household member contract rider and all of the income verification stuff, and file it at the interview. [01:15] schestowitz and even then reply briefly [01:15] schestowitz both of you ought to say as little as possible [01:16] schestowitz the more you say, the more they have for rejection [01:16] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, one of the last things the lady at Catholic Charities told me is say as little as possible in there. [01:16] schestowitz let the paper be the only basis, then you're safe [01:16] DaemonFC[m] Yes/No answers if possible. [01:16] schestowitz if not sure, say you need to think about it [01:16] DaemonFC[m] Someone he works with just went through the interview. [01:17] DaemonFC[m] She says they were fairly nice to her and it took about 20 minutes. [01:17] schestowitz they go through checklists [01:17] schestowitz just "doing their job" [01:18] DaemonFC[m] I can't really get our state ID cards updated. [01:18] DaemonFC[m] The state government shut down the DMV for a couple of months and now everything is so backed up that even if they really do reopen in 4 days, people will be wrapped around Waukegan trying to get things renewed, in the snow and cold. [01:19] schestowitz that should not be an issue [01:19] schestowitz if you explain that [01:19] schestowitz anyway, don't worry [01:19] schestowitz you will be fine, I'm sure [01:19] schestowitz they have much better "bad" people to meet quotas with [01:20] DaemonFC[m] True. I saw other people over the years when no emergency was going on, who said they didn't have the current address but brought leases and utility bills and stuff. [01:20] DaemonFC[m] None of them had problems, so I'm sure they'll give us some leeway here. [01:21] DaemonFC[m] Nobody gets to have exactly what they want (or need) all the time, life's a mess. Do everything you can. [01:21] DaemonFC[m] Most of it goes through. [01:23] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-vafvhmbpnliwwtcy) has joined #techrights [01:23] *birkoff has quit (Changing host) [01:23] *birkoff (birkoff@unaffiliated/birkoff) has joined #techrights [01:23] *birkoff has quit (Changing host) [01:23] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-vafvhmbpnliwwtcy) has joined #techrights [01:23] schestowitz > zdnet incorrect about intel adoption of CoC [01:23] DaemonFC[m] "This retreat to the right by socialist public intellectuals and politicians revealed a profound lack of confidence in the viability of their professed politics. It also displayed a naivet about the immediate danger posed by the neoliberal Democrats on the life-or-death issues of climate, poverty, racism, and war." [01:23] schestowitz THANKS! [01:23] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/01/01/intel-exposed/ [01:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks: An Introduction | Techrights [01:24] DaemonFC[m] No, he's wrong. Trump was actively pushing to sabotage environmental regulations, even when sabotaging them also made no economic sense at all. [01:24] DaemonFC[m] Reducing the fuel economy of vehicles puts us in a worse spot economically and as far as national security go. [01:25] DaemonFC[m] Consumer spending is most of the economy and when gas prices are high, it crowds out spending in areas that create more employment in the US economy than oil "production". [01:25] DaemonFC[m] Even worse, it drives up imports, sending our money to mostly arab countries. [01:26] DaemonFC[m] So long before you even get to the climate, gas guzzlers are bad for the economy and national security. [01:26] DaemonFC[m] But Trump knocked over the fuel economy standards because it played to the far-right, which hates the environment and can't even consider how this hurts them. [01:28] schestowitz [01:25] Consumer spending is most of the economy and when gas prices are high, it crowds out spending in areas that create more employment in the US economy than oil "production". [01:28] schestowitz ha, the nature makes oil [01:29] schestowitz humans refine and subdivide the crude oil [01:30] schestowitz the far-right as you call it can recruit and attract unemployable derilicts [01:30] schestowitz the depression+trump was a boon to them [01:30] schestowitz people who have little or nothing to lose [01:30] schestowitz like your parents, I think [01:30] schestowitz whose pension fund, if any, isn't secured at all [01:41] DaemonFC[m] They still can't figure out why Trump lost. [01:42] DaemonFC[m] Hell, my dad doesn't even acknowledge that there was an election. [01:42] DaemonFC[m] He's going with Chinese-ballots in a food truck. [01:43] DaemonFC[m] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nancy-pelosis-san-francisco-home-vandalized-with-pigs-head-message-about-242k-stimulus-checks-reports/ar-BB1cpmE6 [01:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msn.com | Nancy Pelosi's San Francisco home vandalized with pig's head, message about $2k stimulus checks: Reports [01:44] DaemonFC[m] John Dennis, chairman of the San Francisco Republican party, who ran against Pelosi in Californias 12th Congressional District in November, took a picture of the garage, which has since been covered up, and blamed the violent left. [01:44] DaemonFC[m] Lunatics leave pigs head & graffiti at Nancy Pelosis house, he tweeted. [01:44] DaemonFC[m] He added: Dems like Pelosi will learn sooner or later: you cannot appease the violent left. [01:44] DaemonFC[m] ---- [01:44] schestowitz why pig's head? [01:44] DaemonFC[m] Like, where would you even get a pig's head? [01:44] schestowitz from .ph [01:44] schestowitz they present these [01:44] schestowitz as food [01:44] schestowitz but... [01:44] schestowitz pelosi sound itaian/catholics to me [01:45] schestowitz the pig's head thing you'd do on a Muslim [01:45] schestowitz as happened here before [01:45] schestowitz the left does not loathe pelosi [01:46] schestowitz she is hardly the main perceived enemy [01:46] schestowitz she's a centrist, but the left has other priorities [01:46] schestowitz seems like GOP muddies the water [01:46] schestowitz by turning its racist/facist agenda into a debate/controversy [01:46] DaemonFC[m] "Your PSA birth certificate will be delivered in 3-5 working days after payment for Metro Manila residents and 4-9 working days for other cities and provinces. It will take 6-8 weeks for foreign addresses." [01:46] DaemonFC[m] Ugh. [01:46] schestowitz as if anyone will believe leftists target pelosi, whose party ousts the fascists this month [01:47] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: letter? or email [01:47] schestowitz if letter, then you can show to USCIS [01:47] DaemonFC[m] They aren't delivering with USPS lately. [01:47] schestowitz they can say, "OK, corona, sent it to us when you get it" [01:47] DaemonFC[m] We have one certified copy. [01:48] schestowitz *send [01:48] DaemonFC[m] I made photocopies on legal sized paper in case immigration will accept that after inspecting the original. [01:48] schestowitz better than people who have no certs or cannot afford to have copies issued at all [01:48] DaemonFC[m] Nobody on the left is targeting Nancy Pelosi. [01:48] schestowitz it makes no sense [01:48] DaemonFC[m] This was done by some right wing nut. [01:48] schestowitz I consider myself the real left (ish) [01:48] schestowitz " the violent left." [01:48] schestowitz What is "the violent left"? [01:49] schestowitz anarchists? [01:49] schestowitz they're not even left [01:49] DaemonFC[m] Well, the far-right has "rallies" where they expect to provoke the "far left" into "starting it". [01:49] *gry has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [01:49] schestowitz they just join some protests and cause chaos at times [01:49] DaemonFC[m] Then they never do and they just go home. [01:50] schestowitz "the violent left" - whatever that is - isn't taking over federal buildings using semi-automatic rifles [01:50] schestowitz it is not storming mosques and synagogues [01:50] schestowitz and you would struggle to find even ONE instance of death (not punch in face) by "the violent left. [01:50] DaemonFC[m] Most people on the left have professional jobs. [01:50] schestowitz so the GOP is becoming a laughing stock now [01:51] DaemonFC[m] In fact, if you don't want Republican co-workers, do something with some skill. [01:51] DaemonFC[m] The more skill, the less of them there will be. [01:51] schestowitz not many of them here [01:51] schestowitz my boss is a trump supporter [01:51] schestowitz but I think he's OK with others not agreeing [01:52] schestowitz there are those, too [01:52] schestowitz Trump supporters are also accustomed to being ridiculed [01:53] schestowitz another copy of this... https://www.chicagotribune.com/consumer-reviews/sns-nyt-amazon-abstainers-20210101-af4l5hmcbjhipf55k7uv2bprly-story.html [01:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chicagotribune.com | Life without Amazon (well, almost) - Chicago Tribune [01:53] schestowitz RMS mentioned in there [01:53] schestowitz original from nytimes [01:55] schestowitz Me on someone: > There may be anger management issues... [01:55] schestowitz Wow, that sure triggered some people... [01:56] schestowitz never accuse the angry of being... well, angry [01:56] schestowitz it will never help [01:58] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: when is the interview? [01:58] schestowitz be sure to project confidence, like you'd appeal a rejection [01:58] schestowitz and try to pass on hard questions, don't hand them rope to hang you with ● Jan 02 [02:00] schestowitz appeal with decision overturned makes them look bad and can get them demoted. They don't want that. [02:11] schestowitz Dear Roy, [02:12] schestowitz my apologises for not answering your answer to my mail about anonymously communicating with the EPO. [02:12] schestowitz As as a special xxxxxxxx present, I bring you today an insight to well hidden side of the EPO: the xxxxx. [02:12] schestowitz I forgot quote/indentation [02:12] schestowitz BTW [02:12] schestowitz we plan to make a document drop facility [02:12] schestowitz Ariadne: when we have ssl set up, we'll make leaking easier [02:12] schestowitz we'll write our own toll [02:12] schestowitz a k.i.s.s. type [02:13] schestowitz if email gets rectified on that IP address/domain name/server, we'll have blog comments working again for the first time in years (except by people who had a blog account for ages) [02:14] schestowitz I thought verification or lack of it was the main culprit, you've mentioned reverse dns instead [02:17] *gry (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #techrights [02:24] schestowitz " [02:24] schestowitz Hi Roy, [02:24] schestowitz Happy New Year! [02:24] schestowitz Thanks for retweeting my predictions for 2021. [02:24] schestowitz Please don't attribute this to me [02:24] schestowitz " [02:25] schestowitz unrelated to the above [02:25] schestowitz " [02:25] schestowitz Best regards, [02:25] schestowitz xxxx [02:25] schestowitz Cheers! [02:25] schestowitz " [02:32] DaemonFC[m] 26th [02:33] DaemonFC[m] There's really no appeal. All you can do is ask them to reopen the case because they made a mistake about something in the denial letter. [02:33] DaemonFC[m] But as soon as they deny it, they give the immigrant so many days to leave. [02:33] DaemonFC[m] Some run, but with no legal ability to work, options are limited, and they may get caught someday. [02:35] DaemonFC[m] If you try to stay unlawfully and they catch you down the road, they can bar you from re-entering. Maybe forever. They track immigrants with "biometrics". [02:35] DaemonFC[m] And they want those updated just about every time you file for a major benefit or something from them. [02:36] DaemonFC[m] If you don't go to an application support center for your biometrics appointment, or don't pay the additional biometrics fee, they'll deny the entire case and keep your filing fee. [02:37] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Since we've been married less than 2 years, they'd approve him for conditional residency. [02:37] DaemonFC[m] If you don't file to get the conditions removed and the card expires in two years, they demand that you leave the country immediately. [02:37] DaemonFC[m] Your options are pretty limited until you get a permanent card. [02:38] DaemonFC[m] The permanent cards expire every 10 years, but they won't deport you for it and they still have to let you back in, but there are consequences for not renewing it. [02:40] schestowitz ok [02:40] schestowitz I am writing about a leak at the moment [02:40] schestowitz would you help me proofread it? [02:41] *gde33 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) ● Jan 02 [03:14] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. [03:15] XRevan86 Doctor Who is bumming me down so much. While TV series entertainment in general is getting more sophisticated the last decade, Doctor Who somehow managed to devolve. Cheaper, sillier, cornier. [03:15] XRevan86 I don't need to check to know that the ratings are plummeting. [03:18] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: thanks! quick, let's catch typos: http://techrights.org/2021/01/01/sap-pensioners-epo/ [03:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New Leak: Todays EPO Breaks Its Contract With Former Staff of the EPO, Not Just Existing Staff | Techrights [03:20] DaemonFC[m] "tragically enough supports the oppressor" [03:20] DaemonFC[m] tragically supports the oppressors [03:20] DaemonFC[m] Reads better [03:21] DaemonFC[m] "Existing EPO workers barely or rarely sense like they can rely" [03:21] DaemonFC[m] feel that they can rely [03:21] DaemonFC[m] "employer is doing down the drain or right into an ashtray." [03:21] DaemonFC[m] "employer is circling the drain" and leave it at that probably reads better. [03:22] DaemonFC[m] "Some people have worked for the EPO for as long as 4 decades (sometimes slightly more)." [03:22] DaemonFC[m] No mistakes, but my dad lost his pension at RCA when Thomson took over. [03:23] DaemonFC[m] They let it accumulate for a while and then took the money out of the fund right before laying people off. [03:24] schestowitz [03:22] No mistakes, but my dad lost his pension at RCA when Thomson took over. [03:24] schestowitz yes, never trust speculative things [03:24] schestowitz promises are cheap [03:24] schestowitz and nobody enforces them [03:25] DaemonFC[m] I told my mom that if there's an option with her pension from the Catholic church to take a lump sum and buy an annuity with it, then she might be better off with that. [03:25] DaemonFC[m] The difference with the lump sum/annuity is that you definitely got the check for the lump sum and then the annuity works like an insurance policy. [03:26] DaemonFC[m] It's an option that the federal government offers workers. [03:27] DaemonFC[m] Once it's the problem of Metlife or something, then if Congress screws over your retirement benefits again, it doesn't affect you. [03:27] DaemonFC[m] Likewise, the Catholic church raids pension funds and everything it can all the time. [03:28] DaemonFC[m] What makes you think it'll be there? Next time they need to pay off some abused young men, there goes your retirement. [03:28] schestowitz refresh page [03:28] schestowitz I made your amendement [03:28] schestowitz also added some corrections further down [03:29] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: "Theyre entitled, contractually, to what they receive." [03:31] DaemonFC[m] Might add, the rich like to say "entitlements" as a slur. [03:31] schestowitz will add [03:31] DaemonFC[m] Like, "These people think they're entitled to something.". [03:32] DaemonFC[m] They do it with Social Security over here. [03:32] DaemonFC[m] "We need to shore up 'entitlement programs'." [03:32] schestowitz refresh page [03:32] schestowitz I mention you by name [03:32] DaemonFC[m] Like, god damn it. They took your paycheck money for 50 years and now you want some of it back. [03:32] DaemonFC[m] "entitled" [03:33] schestowitz lol [03:33] schestowitz tax "breaks" [03:33] schestowitz they legalise tax crimes [03:33] schestowitz but when the crimes were committed there was no break/jubilee [03:33] schestowitz so they buy politicians [03:33] schestowitz to give them "free from jail" cards [03:33] schestowitz then they tell us, [03:33] schestowitz "well..." [03:34] schestowitz "it's the law" [03:34] schestowitz never mind who bought this new law that makes crimes "breaks" [03:34] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, the Coronavirus bill created a new tax break for the rich. [03:34] DaemonFC[m] Now they can fully deduct outrageous business lunches that they could only deduct at half the expense rate before. [03:34] schestowitz that [03:34] schestowitz and copyright 'reform' [03:35] schestowitz making it a crime for the general public to do things [03:35] schestowitz rich people's crimes legalised [03:35] schestowitz lawful public activity like memes and streaming... not a serious felony [03:35] schestowitz with arrest [03:35] schestowitz in a "MUST-PASS" bill [03:35] DaemonFC[m] Yes, "reform" meaning lowering the bar for the rich to sue poor people over a few MP3s or something for outrageous sums that are thousands of times what they can rationally argue was "lost". [03:36] DaemonFC[m] The RIAA was suing people and getting $60 and $80 MILLION dollar verdicts, over like 26 MP3 files or something that were $1 each on an MP3 store. [03:37] DaemonFC[m] And all of their victims took the judgment straight to bankruptcy court and the RIAA bled itself dry losing the lawyer fees to sue people with. [03:37] DaemonFC[m] This won't be any different. Name anyone who will not file bankruptcy after they get a stack of $30,000 verdicts from some arbitrators who aren't even judges and juries. [03:37] schestowitz fear-making [03:38] schestowitz I forgot the name of the lady and her "Prince" dancing toddler [03:38] DaemonFC[m] How can it even be legal for someone who isn't a judge to do something that harms you that most people can't respond to or appeal into a real court? [03:38] DaemonFC[m] It'll be Revenge of the Porn Trolls, you know. They'll love this. [03:39] schestowitz when I upload somthing to YouTube google sometimes issues copyright warnings [03:39] schestowitz they're automated [03:39] schestowitz and I suppose they alert "holders" about some sound that matches a pattern [03:39] schestowitz it's good that techrights now self-hosted everything, without copies [03:39] DaemonFC[m] I was getting them delivered to me by Comcrap from "RightsCorp". [03:39] schestowitz so we can judge DMCA on our own [03:39] *tr_guest|98492 (ae348e15@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.174.52.142.21) has joined #techrights [03:39] *tr_guest|98492 has quit (Client Quit) [03:39] DaemonFC[m] Comcrap did at least strip the original complaint and take out the links to the demand for settlements. [03:40] DaemonFC[m] What they would do is send you a few "settlement" offers and if you identified yourself and paid them, you'd get the dozens more they had been sitting on as well. [03:43] schestowitz hmm [03:43] schestowitz they could even make false claims [03:43] schestowitz and out of fear of dispute some might pay to settle [03:43] schestowitz reminds me of UK TV Licensing tactics [03:43] schestowitz we still get threatening letters from them [03:43] schestowitz I've not had a TV set for 19 or 20 years [03:45] schestowitz The bulletin and ipfs automation seems to have worked today. No issues. Just had to space out the cron jobs a bit. [03:45] psydroid I'm reading this PR from Intel now, which doesn't have anything to do with Microsoft [03:45] psydroid https://newsroom.intel.com/news/intel-qutech-unveil-details-first-cryogenic-quantum-computing-control-chip-horse-ridge/ [03:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-newsroom.intel.com | Intel and QuTech Unveil Details of First Cryogenic Quantum Computing Control Chip, Horse Ridge | Intel Newsroom [03:45] schestowitz Quantum LOL [03:46] schestowitz Quantum Security [03:46] schestowitz smartQuantum [03:46] schestowitz Quantum clowns [03:46] schestowitz Quantum apps [03:46] schestowitz Quantum Encryption [03:46] schestowitz QuantumQuantum(TM) [03:46] schestowitz if it's Quantum, it's new and powerful [03:46] schestowitz like ProtonMail [03:46] schestowitz just physics something [03:46] schestowitz QuantumAnon :-) [03:46] psydroid But somehow Microsoft still managed to weasel itself into the lab, porting what? Windows for Quantum Computers? [03:47] schestowitz wait, we have not leaked anything yet [03:47] schestowitz I can start today [03:47] schestowitz but am still gathering more material about it [03:48] schestowitz Microsoft is more than Windows [03:48] psydroid I am just giving you what more or less stumbled upon and may give you some more avenues for information [03:49] schestowitz thanks [03:49] schestowitz do you want to collaborate on InteLeaks? [03:49] psydroid I know and they may actually do some research worth a damn [03:49] schestowitz I can give you prior glimpse for comment/analysis [03:50] schestowitz sometimes when they know bad PR is coming or bad publicity they drown out the signal with fluff [03:50] schestowitz EPO does it all the time [03:50] schestowitz they also misuse particular topics and keywords to obfuscate the signal [03:50] schestowitz so people cannot find what they actually look for [03:50] psydroid I'm not sure I have intimate knowledge of the company and its dealings, but I've known about the things you mentioned in the first article for almost 2 decades [03:51] schestowitz for instance, you show IBM's racist roots [03:51] schestowitz and then IBM starts a PR campaign about how it's antiracist [03:51] schestowitz or how it uses "HEY HI" to spy on blacks [03:51] schestowitz and then they bombard media about how IBM researches "bias" in HEY HI [03:52] *birkoff has quit (Quit: Goodbye) [03:52] schestowitz "Some folks out there use dedicated writing programs geared towards authors but I am using Visual Studio Code and the novel package on CTAN as well as the markdown package on CTAN." [03:52] schestowitz http://coyote.works//posts/Firsties20210101/ [03:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coyote.works | Start of Year: 2021 [03:52] schestowitz just now [03:52] schestowitz another one of those MSVS fools [03:52] schestowitz with "code" [03:52] schestowitz proprietary [03:52] schestowitz and poison pill [03:52] schestowitz Intel has those fools in it [03:52] schestowitz that's part of the issue [03:52] schestowitz shithub is another [03:53] schestowitz they have some pro-Microsoft 'moles' in there [03:53] psydroid I had a lot of those tools installed at some point, but never did anything with them [03:53] schestowitz Microsoft is trying to put its VS 'cultists' inside dev communities [03:53] schestowitz to supposed use of things like Eclipse [03:53] psydroid So last year I took the whole install and put it in a virtual machine [03:54] schestowitz Ghacks posting Microsoft spam minutes ago https://www.ghacks.net/2021/01/01/you-can-still-upgrade-windows-7-and-8-1-systems-to-windows-10-for-free/ [03:54] psydroid While reinstalling my host from scratch [03:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | You can still upgrade Windows 7 and 8.1 systems to Windows 10 for free - gHacks Tech News [03:54] schestowitz spam disguised as article [03:54] schestowitz marketing [03:55] psydroid I'm wondering how Microsoft pays all of these sites [03:55] psydroid No company has an unlimited budget for these things [03:57] schestowitz yes, I was about to say... [03:58] schestowitz I also reused my irc rant https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19782525 [03:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Ghacks posting #Microsoft spam minutes ago... spam disguised as article. Mindless #marketing ... makes you wonder if or how Microsoft pays to corrupt this otherwise decent site. [03:58] schestowitz they're a marketing and lawyers company more often than not [03:58] schestowitz but... [03:58] schestowitz we'll have some useful leaks to show soon/later today [03:58] schestowitz not sure which part to logically go with first [03:58] schestowitz also, starting on a weekend after nye isn't ideal [03:59] schestowitz but I don't want to be backlogged [03:59] mjg59 Someone would need to be paid to write an article telling people they can update an OS that no longer receives security updates to one that does for free? ● Jan 02 [04:00] *schestowitz ignores BS [04:01] schestowitz psydroid: seems EPO and FS have overlaps now [04:01] schestowitz because they read techrights [04:01] schestowitz "I got myself a cup of coffee so I can respond in length. If any of this is published, it'll be in redacted form (to sensibly disguise sources etc.) although I doubt much of this belongs in the public domain for transparency anyway (I judge public interest and privacy on a per word/sentence basis). IPFS and WWW have lots in them (originating in Techrights), but sometimes it's intentionally unclear who said what, esp. when it comes to [04:01] schestowitz EPO articles. It's the information that's important. We'll publish EPO leaks soon. RMS is widely respected among EPO workers, who still recall speeches he gave at their protests and strikes. Some EPO insiders tell me that they learn about Free software in Techrights and agree on almost everything... though they read the site for the EPO articles (at least originally). Until a year or two ago we focused on patents. Focus shifted because [04:01] schestowitz of the slow-progressing coup, accelerated a great deal after the August 2019 Gates-gate at MIT. Many people lost sight of the original scandals; I know a thing or two about how PR agencies think and methods for shifting public attention (EPO does this a lot)." [04:01] schestowitz About 15 years ago I think I read about CompTIA attacking him over it. We know who sponsors CompTIA. [04:02] schestowitz mjg59 is part of the said agenda [04:02] schestowitz incidentally [04:03] mjg59 I am? [04:03] schestowitz "Thanks for speaking out in defence of what shockingly enough was being portrayed as the very opposite of what it is. I say "shockingly", but actually I often joke with my wife (for >years< now!) about how whatever I say can be totally twisted. M. Garrett (now at Google; Torvalds hates his guts for the coup attempts) has been 'parking' in our IRC channels for months now, having publicly described the site as pro-rape or something ( [04:03] schestowitz Microsoft propagandists "liked" those tweets). I guess distortions should be expected. Anyone who defends the >views< of RMS (never mind RMS himself) is a target. We have seen a certain someone from Salesforce saying so explicitly. And no... it's not about women. It's about the perceptions he's spreading online about monopolies, proprietary software etc. (think #RMSWasRight)" [04:03] schestowitz mjg59: you're not spoken about favourably [04:03] schestowitz there's a sentiment that you provoke for coups [04:03] schestowitz a sentiment shared by me personally [04:03] mjg59 I had an extremely reasonable conversation with Linus last time I saw him (after he'd taken his break) [04:04] schestowitz the break you lobbied for [04:04] schestowitz you wanted to fork his project [04:04] schestowitz and made statements against him [04:04] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2015/10/07/forking-with-hypocrisy/ [04:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hypocrite Forks the Linux Kernel Because of Cultural Characteristics That He Himself is Guilty of | Techrights [04:04] schestowitz forked on proprietary software LOL [04:04] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [04:05] schestowitz a year after Microsoft planned to buy GitHub mjg59.dreamwidth.org/32778.html [04:05] mjg59 Yeah, I stopped working on the upstream kernel because I was bored of the degree of abuse tolerated in the community [04:05] schestowitz "For avoidance of doubt, any comments arguing this point will be replaced with the phrase "Fart fart fart"." [04:05] schestowitz Grow up :-) [04:05] schestowitz Google is far more abusive [04:05] schestowitz I can share links with you [04:06] mjg59 I'm sure you can [04:06] schestowitz but the dollar signs you have for eyes will prevent you from introspection [04:06] schestowitz anyway [04:06] mjg59 I'm sure you've also seen me lobbying for Google to change its behaviour [04:06] schestowitz bye for now [04:06] schestowitz while taking salary from them [04:06] schestowitz like military people "change from inside" [04:06] mjg59 Well, sure [04:06] schestowitz "will kill, will work to reduce killing" [04:06] mjg59 I'm paid to write free software [04:06] schestowitz cya later [04:07] mjg59 Which has benefits to the wider community [04:08] DaemonFC[m] It's cheap. [04:08] DaemonFC[m] Where the hell is SJVN going to get another job? As for Ed Bott? He's been this bad for years. [04:08] schestowitz relatively speaking [04:08] schestowitz SJVN is rogue too [04:08] schestowitz I was sent messages about him hours ago [04:08] schestowitz he's distorting things [04:08] schestowitz for Intel [04:09] schestowitz ZDNet corrupted hinm [04:09] schestowitz they even deleted parts of his articles [04:09] schestowitz which he's in denial about [04:09] schestowitz nowhere else left to work [04:09] schestowitz Sean Michael Kernel and Christine Hall the same [04:09] schestowitz they go working for shady "Microsoft loves Linux"-like lying rags [04:10] schestowitz and they require one to swallow these lies to "play" and get a "cheque" [04:10] schestowitz it's sad how media sites are now mostly PR companies [04:10] schestowitz disguises as "news" [04:10] schestowitz with their "media kits" [04:10] schestowitz meaning "bribery contracts" [04:10] psydroid schestowitz, none of this ever becomes clear when you visit these companies' offices (I've been to Google's and Facebook's offices several times), they all think they are doing great things and that's the impression you get as a visitor too, at least initially [04:11] schestowitz What unified the Free software, myself, and RMS is ideology and philosophy, I suspect beyond technology itself (as technology relates to many other things in life/the world). That includes insistence on integrity ad truth. SJVN lost that. [04:11] schestowitz he's friends with SPAMnil now [04:11] schestowitz two corporate spammers [04:11] schestowitz for "Open Source" [04:11] schestowitz openwashing the attacks on Free software [04:11] psydroid it begs the question, is there not enough money in free software? [04:12] schestowitz [04:10] schestowitz, none of this ever becomes clear when you visit these companies' offices (I've been to Google's and Facebook's offices several times), they all think they are doing great things and that's the impression you get as a visitor too, at least initially [04:12] psydroid or is it just greed? [04:12] schestowitz like people work who in camps [04:12] schestowitz ICE, immigration, etc. [04:12] schestowitz they just "protect the country" [04:12] schestowitz psydroid: free software is about lack of monopoly [04:12] schestowitz so inherently the gains to one entity are few [04:12] schestowitz the collective benefit is vast [04:13] schestowitz like 100 million apache users [04:13] schestowitz but no company called apache [04:13] schestowitz Microsoft can bribe some people to corrupt ASF [04:13] schestowitz and then outsource the whole thing to shithub, as it did [04:13] schestowitz so there's this managerial vulnerabilityu [04:13] schestowitz and one solution is to decentralise [04:14] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/04/29/asf-prisoner-of-microsoft/ [04:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | After Killing the Independence of Apache Software Foundation (ASF) Microsoft Steals Its Soul, Too | Techrights [04:14] schestowitz this way it's harder to corrupt and bribe [04:14] schestowitz because they need consent from several consortia at the same time [04:14] schestowitz and that can be a lot harder and more complicated to conceal [04:17] psydroid I'm still waiting for the decentralised code repositories the FSF is working on, where everything gets synced to a large number of repositories all over the internet [04:18] schestowitz I think they said it'd be ready by end of 2020 [04:18] schestowitz didn't meet that goal/deadline [04:18] schestowitz and I heard the template code/foundation is gitlab [04:22] psydroid I'm a bit intrigued by what Matrix developers are doing based on their technology initially used for messaging, but supposed to be usable for a lot more things such as social media and maybe also gitlab-like services [04:24] schestowitz 'social' media [04:24] schestowitz they have workers [04:24] schestowitz and job done [04:24] schestowitz so they look to keep them doing something [04:25] schestowitz kitchen sink mentality [04:25] schestowitz and then it becomes bloated garbage [04:25] schestowitz like FB, Twitter etc. [04:26] DaemonFC[m] Google is sabotaging their site if you're on a VPN now. [04:26] DaemonFC[m] Bing doesn't. [04:26] DaemonFC[m] With Google, parts of their site just fail to load if you're on a Private Internet Access VPN server. [04:27] psydroid Google has become pure evil [04:28] schestowitz their cross browser compat is awful [04:28] schestowitz even for something like a page with search bar [04:28] schestowitz Google Search [04:28] schestowitz in some browsers you can barely use just THAT [04:28] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/the-harassment-claims-in-full/ [04:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outreachy as Hush Money (Bribe) From Monopolies | Techrights [04:29] psydroid they're sabotaging free apps for Android such as NewPipe too now [04:29] psydroid it worked perfectly until about a month ago [04:30] psydroid and now it doesn't because of some popup it 'serves' [04:31] psydroid that's what you get for interfering with advertisers [04:31] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-wwagvdpqgtsklzgn) has joined #techrights [04:31] *birkoff has quit (Changing host) [04:31] *birkoff (birkoff@unaffiliated/birkoff) has joined #techrights [04:31] *birkoff has quit (Changing host) [04:31] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-wwagvdpqgtsklzgn) has joined #techrights [04:32] DaemonFC[m] ublock-origin stops Youtube ads and Sponsorblock skips over the sponsors. [04:32] DaemonFC[m] Both work in Edge and Firefox. [04:33] DaemonFC[m] Sponsorblock is crowdsourced so if it doesn't skip over a sponsor, you can help train it to. [04:33] schestowitz no, better ways exist [04:33] schestowitz many instances of invidious [04:33] schestowitz and that generally works well as long as you shuffle when one breaks a little [04:33] schestowitz no ads, no spying [04:33] schestowitz (afaik) [04:34] schestowitz https://invidious.tube/?ckattempt=1 [04:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.tube | Challenge Failed! vDDoS Security [04:34] schestowitz https://invidious.xyz/ [04:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.xyz | Invidious [04:34] schestowitz https://invidious.site/ [04:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.site | Invidious [04:34] schestowitz http://yewtu.be/ [04:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Invidious [04:34] schestowitz you can search there also [04:35] schestowitz sometimes the APIs break a little [04:35] schestowitz then you use another instance [04:35] DaemonFC[m] Yes, Google apparently tries to block searx instances. [04:35] DaemonFC[m] I'm guessing because they scrape the results and skip over the ad platform. [04:35] DaemonFC[m] They've done similar things to others in the past. [04:36] schestowitz 2021 NEW YEARS EVE COUNTDOWN DRONE LIGHT SHOW in YEONGDONG-DAERO (SEOUL) [04:36] schestowitz https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YIs8t3ro9Fw [04:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | 2021 NEW YEARS EVE COUNTDOWN DRONE LIGHT SHOW in YEONGDONG-DAERO (SEOUL) - Invidious [04:37] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Anyway, back to immigration. I'm sure they make it an agonizing process so that few people even try. [04:38] DaemonFC[m] Things have gotten even worse for people who applied after we did. [04:38] DaemonFC[m] We're a case that could go either way under the grandfathered rules. [04:38] DaemonFC[m] It would be DOA under the new rules. [04:38] DaemonFC[m] First of all, there's more forms to fill out and the burden is no longer on them to prove that you're likely to become a public burden. [04:39] DaemonFC[m] You have to fill out forms proving that it's more likely than not that they won't and agree to reimburse the government if they take a benefit from an expanded list of them. [04:39] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/12/sweet-grapes-sour-grapes-or-grapes-of.html?showComment=1609239616427#c6291716410741400400 [04:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Sweet grapes, sour grapes, or the grapes of wrath: what is going on with this collecting society? - The IPKat [04:39] schestowitz "I always enjoy Mr Wilkofs posts, and this one was no exception. More so, it has roused me from the post-Christmas coma. Having advised a collecting society which is a new kid on the block and treats the requirement of transparency under the Directive on Collective Rights Management (and the implementing regulations) seriously, we have often come up against the confidentiality barrier when holding to account other collecting [04:39] schestowitz societies. This is invariably baffling, for two reasons: one, because of what collecting societies are set up to do (as you point out), and two, because the confidentiality mantra is proclaimed as if it came from the holy scriptures. Self-preservation is alive and well " [04:40] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I'm not even going to mention the new support affidavit I brought unless they tell me they accepted Maricel's request to revoke hers. [04:40] DaemonFC[m] If it's going to go over smoothly and keep her on the hook, then why the hell not. [04:41] DaemonFC[m] It's lucky for her that I'm not the kind of person who would abuse that despite the fact that she would have it coming if I did. [04:42] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: People like her don't usually "get what's coming to them" as such, as in something sudden and horrible happens. [04:42] DaemonFC[m] They usually just plod along on a debt treadmill working their lives away, missing everything that's important, filling the house with crap. [04:43] DaemonFC[m] I can't imagine a worse hell, honestly. [04:44] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I might have quoted Luke Skywalker when she told me that I wouldn't know what I'm missing because I "can't buy nice things and live the real life" and that I was just jealous of them, and then Mark chimed in with his paranoid delusions about me wanting their vicious dog to bite me. [04:44] DaemonFC[m] I said, "That's amazing. Every word you just said was wrong.". [04:48] DaemonFC[m] What really set her off was learning that I had to file bankruptcy. I found out later that Mark's parents filed bankruptcy, and it was not because of some random unforeseen life disaster. It was fucking Sams Club credit cards and shit. [04:49] DaemonFC[m] I'm patient. I can wait. [04:49] DaemonFC[m] When this mess blows over, I'll send her a 5 or 6 page typed letter that insults from start to finish. [04:49] DaemonFC[m] She thought she was offended before. [04:51] schestowitz [04:42] They usually just plod along on a debt treadmill working their lives away, missing everything that's important, filling the house with crap. [04:51] schestowitz look up Carlin on "stuff" [04:51] schestowitz he nailed it [04:51] DaemonFC[m] I'm used to messes that take years to untangle, so the virus is really nothing new to me. It's just this week's disaster. [04:51] DaemonFC[m] It's background noise. [04:52] schestowitz it's a collective toll [04:52] schestowitz if your economy tanks, expect Trumpster to cause you issues [04:52] schestowitz you don't live in isolation or some island [04:52] DaemonFC[m] Trump extended his immigration executive orders. [04:52] DaemonFC[m] I was laughing about it while I was on the phone with mom. [04:52] DaemonFC[m] I said, "Yeah, extended for 19 days. What a loser.". [04:53] schestowitz lol [04:53] DaemonFC[m] I was talking to her about all the charges he faces from New York. [04:53] schestowitz Bye-DON [04:53] schestowitz Hello, prison [04:53] DaemonFC[m] His supporters are going to blow their stack when Fox News has to report that Trump was convicted in a Manhattan courtroom and faces prison time. [04:54] DaemonFC[m] I was talking to mom. I said, "The absolute disgrace. Not that there were shortages during his term, but now he's the closest a president ever got to going to prison and might actually end up there.". [04:55] DaemonFC[m] I said, "The only good thing about this over the Philippines is that they certainly won't file charges against Duterte or even try to impeach him, and he'll just somehow keep getting 90% of the vote until he dies, and then they'll have some other asshole just like him. We at least voted our way past it.". [04:56] DaemonFC[m] She's coming around to the fact that Trump wasn't so great. [04:56] DaemonFC[m] She's like "Well, I certainly didn't like a lot of things he did." I said, "4 years of disaster and racism and riots, a ruined economy, a plague..... Which parts did you like?". [04:58] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: If it keeps going like this for a few more months we'll have _officially_ lost the population of Wyoming. [04:58] DaemonFC[m] I mean, how is this not a plague? [04:59] DaemonFC[m] If something just flat out killed the population of an entire state one day, everyone would be too paralyzed with fear to even move. [04:59] DaemonFC[m] Everyone knows someone in the hospital with it. Many people know someone who died. ● Jan 02 [05:00] DaemonFC[m] I have a second cousin who is about to be put on a ventilator in Fort Wayne. [05:00] DaemonFC[m] He's getting worse and worse. [05:01] DaemonFC[m] The only reason my cousins who work in a nursing home that's overrun by it haven't had it is because they have N95 masks, face shields, the whole shebang. [05:01] DaemonFC[m] But 90% of the residents. The few that have not tested positive, yet, include my grandmother. [05:02] DaemonFC[m] The lady down at the health department emailed me asking if Mandy and I would like to sign up for the vaccine registry. [05:02] DaemonFC[m] I told her we did as soon as I learned that there was one. [05:02] DaemonFC[m] With everything that is going on around me, I'm getting to be more concerned about the virus creeping closer and closer. [05:05] schestowitz psydroid: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Inside_Intel_Logo.png [05:05] schestowitz GIMPing :-) [05:05] schestowitz do you want to preview our post for comment to add? [05:06] DaemonFC[m] Sure [05:07] DaemonFC[m] Oh, not me. Sorry. [05:07] DaemonFC[m] Glasses off. [05:07] schestowitz you can too [05:07] schestowitz iirc, psydroid knows Intel from the inside [05:07] schestowitz wait, let me draft it further [05:08] DaemonFC[m] Which reminds me...this would be an excellent time for an eye exam. Haven't had one in a couple of years. Of course, I went like 30 years the first time. Except for trips to the DMV. That's America for you. [05:08] DaemonFC[m] Vision insurance? Just tell me when it's illegal to drive and I'll buy a pair then. [05:08] schestowitz a few minutes more [05:09] DaemonFC[m] I get 20% off at the vision center at Walmart. I noticed those Zenni frames that oiaohm was wild about are totally chintzy. [05:10] DaemonFC[m] Maricel was bragging about spending $1,000 x 2 pairs for all four of them. [05:10] DaemonFC[m] So $8,000 on eye glasses down at Pearle Vision. [05:11] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I think being poor has that effect on people sometimes when they get money. [05:11] DaemonFC[m] Now they're trash with money. [05:12] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/01/02/in-the-beginning/ [05:12] schestowitz quick, DaemonFC[m] [05:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks Part I: In the Insides of Intel | Techrights [05:12] schestowitz if you can suggest personal remarks, too, I can still add [05:15] DaemonFC[m] By introducing Windows dependencies at all, the associate continues, they ensure that the lions share of the time is spent dorking around unproductively with Windows and causes the team to eventually fail at their primary missions. In those cases, Windows does not have to work, it only has to be present. [05:15] DaemonFC[m] --- [05:16] DaemonFC[m] Well, the LTSC version of Windows 10 has a lot of the ads and stuff disabled and lets you almost completely turn off telemetry, and ignore feature updates until there's a new LTSC. So they're obviously aware that even organizations have their limits as to what is tolerable. [05:17] schestowitz added [05:17] DaemonFC[m] The "Professional" version of Windows 10 has all of the annoyances and spyware of the Home Edition, with a few select "Enterprise" features enabled. [05:17] schestowitz anything else? [05:17] DaemonFC[m] But it certainly wouldn't be fun or manageable to deploy across an entire company's workstations. [05:18] DaemonFC[m] It took me hours to get it to stop being such a pain to where it just ran my programs without bothering me to buy Office, use Skype, put my files on their "cloud" where I didn't want them, and get rid of the freemium apps and UI crap that you have to trip over in the file manager just to get to your...files. [05:19] DaemonFC[m] It's hardly surprising they want to steer people to Windows. The same thing is going on with their campaign on ZDNet to appear to undermine the end of their own free upgrade program. [05:20] schestowitz added. [05:20] DaemonFC[m] They know that if people are still on Windows 7 or 8, they'll never pay up for a license. Windows 10 is an ad platform and more of a pest that enables "revenue beyond the license sales" and there's gold in those hills if the 200 million or so PCs that nobody ever put it on get the "free" update and start subscribing to things and getting ads. [05:20] schestowitz saved, refresh. [05:22] schestowitz hmmm... tuxmachines under ddos for almost 20 mins now [05:23] DaemonFC[m] Fedora 33 runs surprisingly well. [05:23] DaemonFC[m] I took the defaults and put it on that laptop I gave to Mandy. [05:23] DaemonFC[m] It "feels" almost like a Windows computer you could go buy today despite the hardware being 5 years old. [05:24] schestowitz cool [05:24] schestowitz I saw some Fedora articles yesterday, more than the usual [05:24] schestowitz IBM managed to get Lenovo to put Fedora on thinkpads [05:24] schestowitz I saw about 6 refurbished thinkpads 2 weeks ago [05:24] schestowitz 199 pounds for each [05:24] schestowitz tempting, but I already have more hardware than I need [05:25] schestowitz if I had to gift a good PC, I might buy those, put gnu/linux on them, then give away [05:25] schestowitz debian buster likely [05:25] DaemonFC[m] Fedora has gotten better in some ways. [05:25] schestowitz we already have the CD for it and on SD card the blobs for wifi [05:25] DaemonFC[m] The upgrade program used to be a complete disaster. [05:26] schestowitz not anaconda? [05:26] schestowitz I never used the fedora updater [05:26] DaemonFC[m] But I had updated that laptop from 26 to 31 (iirc). [05:26] schestowitz even when I used fedora [05:26] schestowitz they have some command line primitive tool [05:26] schestowitz even ubuntu has some front ends for it [05:26] DaemonFC[m] No, the yum system upgrade program was bad when you were dist-upgrading to a new version. [05:27] DaemonFC[m] It could just as easily break things and make an unbootable mess as work. [05:27] schestowitz but it can crash if the updater in the CLI brings up dialogues [05:27] schestowitz just pick an LTS, then stick with it [05:27] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I almost never use the graphical package manager. [05:27] schestowitz upgrade with /home inplace when a new LTS is out and the current one is almost EoL [05:28] DaemonFC[m] It's usually slower and there's more packages than there's descriptions for in Discover or GNOME Software. [05:28] schestowitz I always use CLI, but for users who are new it is daunting [05:28] schestowitz CLI is faster [05:28] schestowitz and you can copy-paste to yourself or others the report on what's happening [05:28] schestowitz GUIs are bad at thatr [05:28] schestowitz we never had anything GUI for techrights or tuxmachines [05:29] schestowitz seems like the attacker just got bored BTW [05:29] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft used to get away with a lot more because they sucked all the air out of the room as far as operating systems. [05:29] DaemonFC[m] And it was Windows or the even more depressing Mac. [05:29] schestowitz I saw about 10k requests per minute at the peak [05:29] schestowitz nice to see how 32 CPU cores can cope with that too [05:29] schestowitz no real downtime, just delays [05:29] DaemonFC[m] I did not like the user interface change when OS X came out. [05:30] DaemonFC[m] Still don't. [05:30] schestowitz oh, another burst of attack now [05:30] schestowitz load average 39 on 32 cores [05:30] schestowitz 3,500 reqs/min [05:30] DaemonFC[m] The older one was compact, it was task oriented, it was more logical for an actual workflow. [05:30] DaemonFC[m] The OS under it might have been rotting. [05:30] DaemonFC[m] But the UI was decent. [05:30] schestowitz over the past 24 hours techrights averaged 5.3 MB/sec [05:31] DaemonFC[m] The new one has all of this comically huge eyecandy that gets in the way of things. [05:31] schestowitz mac os ? [05:31] schestowitz I used that ages ago at work, as a hobby, part time [05:31] schestowitz it was mac os 9 [05:31] schestowitz almost 20 years ago [05:31] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, like, is there really a reason for a dock that big that doesn't even autohide when you have an application running? [05:31] schestowitz the other day I saw a photo I had taken of that machine (not mine) [05:31] schestowitz I used mandrake otherwise [05:32] schestowitz apple is a brand [05:32] schestowitz and they focus on graphics [05:32] schestowitz polishing icons and expensive displays [05:32] schestowitz that does nothing for actual productivity [05:32] schestowitz it's gloss [05:32] schestowitz you can copy the glosss over to gnu [05:32] schestowitz faenza for example [05:32] schestowitz and its many derivatives [05:32] schestowitz I put faenza in KDE for rianne [05:33] schestowitz and some kind of faenza on mine too, but I change every now and then [05:33] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. BeOS was the first OS I saw that got graphics and fonts right. [05:33] DaemonFC[m] It took Windows 6 years to catch up to that, and Linux even longer honestly. [05:33] DaemonFC[m] Because of patents sometimes. [05:33] schestowitz turns out faenza is also a place [05:33] schestowitz it does sound italian [05:33] schestowitz https://www.google.com/search?q=faenza+linux&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi_mtOOw_ztAhUY_hoKHW2yAq4Q2-cCegQIABAA [05:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-faenza linux - Google Search [05:33] schestowitz for those now familiar with it [05:33] DaemonFC[m] I liked the GNOME 2 Nimbus theme and icons from Solaris. [05:34] DaemonFC[m] I took the theme and cloned the look for my Ubuntu and Fedora systems at the time. [05:34] schestowitz wow, almost 500gb in techrights in past 24 hours [05:34] schestowitz I think it's near all-time high [05:34] schestowitz mostly because of videos [05:35] DaemonFC[m] Comcast gives me a data cap. [05:35] schestowitz now attack on tuxmachines at over 10,000 reqs/sec, machine is not minding it much [05:35] schestowitz load average under 8, over 32 cpu cores [05:36] DaemonFC[m] They offer "unlimited data" now as part of some "service" with their $15 a month modems. [05:36] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: mine is throttled upstream [05:36] schestowitz due to ipfs I assume [05:36] schestowitz it's like p2p running from home, for techrights [05:36] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: unlimited at WHAT SPEED? [05:36] schestowitz I can give you 28k baud UNLIMITED [05:37] schestowitz you can use it at full capacity 24/7 all month/year [05:37] schestowitz and how much b/w would that be? [05:37] schestowitz my upload speeds are now capped at around 30kb/sec, usually less [05:37] schestowitz and sometimes it cuts off for seconds, then 10kb/sec or something like that [05:37] schestowitz ipfs does upstream about 2gb/day [05:38] schestowitz they traffic-shape for sure [05:39] schestowitz hmm... aplus is still around https://www.aplus.net/ [05:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Aplus.net: Web Hosting & Domain Name Registration Services [05:39] schestowitz two decades ago we used them for hosting with bsd [05:40] schestowitz they rebranded as "CLOWN" I see... [05:40] schestowitz everything is clown now [05:40] schestowitz if not clown computing, then "old" [05:44] schestowitz estrictions were increased across the UK this week in an effort to tackle the rising number of cases. [05:44] schestowitz In England, three quarters of the population are now under new, higher "tier four" measures. Other areas were moved up to tier three. [05:44] schestowitz quote from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274\ [05:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274\ ) [05:44] schestowitz https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274 [05:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid-19 in the UK: How many coronavirus cases are there in your area? - BBC News [05:45] schestowitz https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53166816 [05:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid in Scotland: What are the latest lockdown rules? - BBC News [05:49] DaemonFC[m] I just bought their cheapest plan. [05:49] DaemonFC[m] 25 Mbps they say. [05:49] schestowitz max [05:49] schestowitz what's the average [05:50] DaemonFC[m] Oh, I usually see downloads going at about 3 MB per second on bittorrent or something. [05:50] DaemonFC[m] But that's on the VPN. [05:50] DaemonFC[m] I never turn it off. [05:50] schestowitz https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201229/08551245963/comcasts-pandemic-price-hike-bonanza-continues.shtml [05:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Comcast's Pandemic Price Hike Bonanza Continues | Techdirt [05:50] DaemonFC[m] Considering how bad US copyright law is NOW you'd have to be insane not to use a VPN. [05:50] schestowitz that's 10 times slower than advertised [05:50] DaemonFC[m] It's cheap insurance. [05:51] schestowitz do they say "25 bar VPN"? ("25 Mbps they say.") [05:51] schestowitz VPN is a matter of security to some [05:51] DaemonFC[m] Well, it's Megabits per second not MegaBytes per second. [05:51] schestowitz not a luxury [05:51] DaemonFC[m] That's at ISP level. [05:51] schestowitz while the ISP mines and sells your data [05:51] DaemonFC[m] So 3 MB per second is about what I pay for I think. [05:51] schestowitz part of their business model, their real customers are sometimes data brokers [05:51] DaemonFC[m] 25 megabits / second = 3.125 megabytes / second [05:52] schestowitz yeah, I saw a big B [05:52] schestowitz turns out they use the misleading number [05:52] schestowitz to make it seem faster [05:52] DaemonFC[m] It's too slow to handle a 4K stream or even two 1080p ones really. [05:53] schestowitz Comcast: now at 1,500,000,000 bits per minute! [05:53] DaemonFC[m] If I'm watching Archer or something and Mandy starts watching Youtube, the stream gets screwed up. [05:53] schestowitz move to south korea :-) [05:54] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I might print off Mandy's credit score just to show it to the immigration officer. [05:54] DaemonFC[m] It's 738 and shows he has no debt to speak of. [05:54] DaemonFC[m] But they've been checking it every few months I noticed. [05:55] schestowitz https://www.mayerbrown.com/en/perspectives-events/publications/2020/12/brexit--intellectual-property--after-the-brexit-transition-period [05:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.mayerbrown.com/en/perspectives-events/publications/2020/12/brexit--intellectual-property--after-the-brexit-transition-period ) [05:55] schestowitz "Attempts to create a single EU-wide unitary patent and Unified Patent Court ("UPC"), which would determine patent disputes on an EU-wide basis, are on-going. However, the UK Government confirmed that it will not become a member of the UPC." [05:55] schestowitz THIS IS BS [05:55] schestowitz zoobab: ^^ [05:56] schestowitz credit score can be like social control media, DaemonFC[m] [05:56] schestowitz or "klout" score [05:56] schestowitz nobody cares about it [05:56] schestowitz like # of "facebook friends" [05:56] schestowitz but people wrongly associate that with a "life score" like in MMORG games [05:57] schestowitz and at the end of the day it matter as much as now much you scored on math in first grade (school) [05:57] schestowitz does not in practice have much effect, better discarded [05:57] schestowitz unless you want to get a loan [05:57] schestowitz (which is usually a bad idea) [05:57] schestowitz immigration isn't a bank [05:58] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: They weight credit scores now on immigrants. [05:58] schestowitz immigration officer: sure, sure... he shoplifted and all.. BUT LOOK HOW MANY FB FRIENDS HE HAs!!! [05:58] DaemonFC[m] With the form that we didn't have to fill out. [05:58] DaemonFC[m] We beat the clock on the new public charge rule. [05:58] DaemonFC[m] So we don't have to prove he has a credit score, even. [05:59] Techrights-sec gm [05:59] Techrights-sec Is Pogson ok? His blog has not been updated in almost 2 months. [05:59] Techrights-sec And it was summer since he last covered FOSS. [05:59] Techrights-sec The BGR article implies that viewing source code causes insecurity (of the softwarte) [05:59] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I just think it would be nice for the officer to have it in mind that we're not in debt and our credit ratings aren't bad. [05:59] DaemonFC[m] Mine has improved a lot since the bankruptcy. [05:59] schestowitz funny you mention Robert Pogson as only days ago I asked rianne if his feed produces anything at her end ● Jan 02 [06:00] DaemonFC[m] My FICO 8 went from 540 when the bankruptcy discharged to 608 now. [06:00] schestowitz sounds like SATs scale [06:00] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I don't know if it would be better to just leave it alone. [06:01] DaemonFC[m] On one hand, Mandy's score is great, on the other, mine says "Chapter 7 bankruptcy discharged". [06:01] DaemonFC[m] So it might tip them off that something catastrophic happened to me not too long ago. [06:01] DaemonFC[m] So, more harm than good? [06:01] schestowitz that's for lending [06:01] schestowitz immigration focuses on other things [06:01] DaemonFC[m] Nope. [06:01] schestowitz maybe in the US they're already banksters [06:02] schestowitz they need to see income [06:02] schestowitz and bank statements [06:02] DaemonFC[m] https://www.marketwatch.com/story/immigrants-could-be-required-to-show-credit-scores-if-they-want-to-stay-in-the-us-2018-09-26 [06:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Immigrants will be required to show credit scores, or fulfill other financial criteria, if they want to become U.S. citizens - MarketWatch [06:02] schestowitz credit scores are hypothetical [06:02] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I have to show bank statements to prove we're comingling assets. [06:02] schestowitz "fulfill other financial criteria" [06:02] schestowitz like bank statments [06:02] schestowitz income, balance... [06:03] schestowitz balance-sheet, deficit if any [06:03] DaemonFC[m] If I have to print them off anyway, I might as well fill out the asset schedule on the I-864A and have them count the balance as income at the 1/3rd rate. [06:03] schestowitz credit scores are like pseudo-sciernce [06:03] DaemonFC[m] If you can show you have $15,000 and you're a US citizen sponsoring your spouse, then that's as good as $5,000 income for the year. [06:03] schestowitz look no further than yourself [06:03] schestowitz racked 100,000 dollars in debt [06:03] schestowitz didn't pay any of it back [06:03] DaemonFC[m] It would make it harder, in theory, for them to disregard income to bring us below the minimum. [06:03] schestowitz and you say your score improved a lot [06:04] schestowitz and you don't even work [06:04] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: And a year earlier my FICO was 826. [06:04] schestowitz the breadwinner in the house has no certainty about staying [06:04] DaemonFC[m] Predicting that it was almost no risk to lend to me. [06:04] schestowitz so your credit score is baloney basically [06:04] schestowitz I saw other storties [06:04] DaemonFC[m] Pretty much. [06:04] schestowitz people scoring poorly for never being in debt [06:05] schestowitz because the banksters don't like such people [06:05] schestowitz even Drumpf is deep in debt [06:05] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: The credit card people gave me limits totaling about $45,000 iirc. [06:05] DaemonFC[m] Well, a bit less. [06:05] DaemonFC[m] They were all over limit from fees and interest by the time I went bankrupt. [06:06] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I have to mind my Ps and Qs for a while [06:06] *siel has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [06:06] DaemonFC[m] No more bankruptcy for another 7.5 years. [06:06] *siel (~siel@unaffiliated/motley) has joined #techrights [06:06] DaemonFC[m] Already pushed the button in May, which started the 8 year ban on another one. [06:07] DaemonFC[m] Now would be a seriously bad time to start running up debt again. [06:07] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I did the bankruptcy as soon as my lawyer said it would be a good idea. [06:07] DaemonFC[m] They said let the cards charge off first. [06:08] schestowitz lol [06:08] schestowitz the words [06:08] schestowitz "charge off" [06:08] DaemonFC[m] Amusingly enough, Capital One had to sell off one of my major accounts and take it off my credit report, and the buyer never added it back before I bankrupted myself. [06:08] DaemonFC[m] So, it doesn't show that that account ever went to bankruptcy. [06:08] DaemonFC[m] Then Kia Motors Finance never replied to my post-bankruptcy dispute about a late payment they were not legally allowed to report, so that account fell off immediately. [06:09] schestowitz banks just work to ensure they carry on lending [06:09] schestowitz later they'll mass-foreclose [06:09] DaemonFC[m] So it looks like my bankruptcy was only about $20,000 in credit cards. [06:09] DaemonFC[m] When in fact it was several times worse. [06:09] schestowitz and cry out for bailouts paid by those whom they rob [06:09] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Yeah, you pay taxes. Why would you feel guilty about bankruptcy? [06:09] DaemonFC[m] You're just taking back the money Congress stole from you to give to them. [06:09] schestowitz other pay that [06:10] schestowitz collective cost [06:10] schestowitz 30 trillion in debt [06:10] schestowitz it'll need to be paid back [06:10] schestowitz or you could reset the wealth of bezos, gates etc. [06:10] schestowitz and then use that to write off the liabilities [06:10] schestowitz they park their money elsewhere [06:10] schestowitz they know it can happen, gates has several plane and can abscond at any time [06:10] schestowitz *planes [06:11] DaemonFC[m] They don't want to pay people anything, so they go in debt. [06:11] DaemonFC[m] Then they can't pay the debt so they bankrupt the debt, and then they do it again and again. [06:12] DaemonFC[m] Doesn't make much sense to me. [06:12] DaemonFC[m] Instead of being more gainfully employed, the banks lose money over and over on them. [06:12] DaemonFC[m] But not enough to cause the bank to be unprofitable I suppose. [06:13] DaemonFC[m] In normal times 2-3% of accounts are in serious default. [06:13] DaemonFC[m] They don't lose everything on those, because they sell them as secondhand debt. [06:13] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I can tell you which major banks are the nastiest. [06:14] DaemonFC[m] Citi sold it to a debt collector and they were already threatening to sue in January, while that didn't happen on the rest until April. [06:15] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I was talking to mom on the phone today advising her which creditors to screw and which ones to pay to prevent her FICO from getting worse. [06:16] DaemonFC[m] I said, "No, don't pay those medical bills from the ER doctor that were two years old. It'll just make them current again and you'll be out the money.". [06:16] DaemonFC[m] "Just use that FSA money to pay any medical bills you already have that aren't in collections yet so you don't get new collection accounts. [06:18] Techrights-sec M$ is also trying to play itself off as "critical infrastructure" in [06:18] Techrights-sec light of the SolarWinds cracking. [06:18] Techrights-sec That Adobe Flash had ever been deploye in the first place is a real puzzle. [06:18] Techrights-sec Removing the https://danielmiessler.com/feed/ feed from the automated links. [06:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://danielmiessler.com/feed/ ) [06:24] schestowitz top right pane in tmux shows backups from tm on techrights are 0 in size for two nights now [06:26] Techrights-sec I'll have to make a new terminal profile so that it defaults to 153x48 [06:26] Techrights-sec Ok will look at the scripts. ● Jan 02 [07:24] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [07:26] *Jakqkwjow (adb54df4@d173-181-77-244.bchsia.telus.net) has joined #techrights [07:26] *Jakqkwjow has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:50] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft as critical web infrastructure is long since over. They don't even run most of their own products using their own software. [07:51] DaemonFC[m] Windows outside of a consumer or client OS environment is horrendously obsolete. [07:51] DaemonFC[m] It still has locking and scheduling inefficiencies that maybe don't matter with <16 CPU cores. [07:52] DaemonFC[m] But that's being surpassed now on some high end desktop CPUs even. [07:58] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/01/politics/gohmert-pence-electoral-college-lawsuit-thrown-out/index.html [07:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Federal judge throws out Gohmert lawsuit asking Pence to interfere in Electoral College count - CNNPolitics ● Jan 02 [08:51] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Call-out culture is toxic, disgusting, and vile!) [08:54] *Sajesajama_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [08:55] *Sajesajama (Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama) has joined #techrights ● Jan 02 [09:01] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [09:28] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [09:28] vZS1 Hny [09:28] schestowitz 0/ [09:28] schestowitz you have just been mentioned [09:28] vZS1 Oh? [09:28] schestowitz I passed around the ipfs manual [09:29] vZS1 Cool stuff [09:29] schestowitz in ytalk [09:29] schestowitz more people wish to know and use ipfs [09:29] schestowitz which is what we want [09:29] vZS1 Hope they enjoy the experience [09:29] schestowitz no ipfs JS equivalent yet [09:29] schestowitz or other bloat [09:30] schestowitz maybe mozilla will add support... j/k [09:30] schestowitz too busy making hypeOS "apps" in Visua Studio and shitHub [09:30] vZS1 Lol [09:30] schestowitz some of the people they sacked are rhe technical people [09:31] schestowitz those who did side projects [09:31] schestowitz prior to that firefoxOS [09:31] schestowitz that leaves them with "UX" types [09:31] schestowitz and "Data scientists" [09:31] schestowitz they kept those [09:31] schestowitz so you know what business model they focus on [09:32] schestowitz https://armenzg.medium.com/farewell-mozilla-5d52b7110194 [09:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-armenzg.medium.com | Farewell, Mozilla. The summer of 2020 marked the end of 12 | by Armen Zambrano | Dec, 2020 | Medium [09:32] schestowitz (new) [09:32] Ariadne i'm planning to move all of my stuff away from github [09:32] Ariadne i am just lazy [09:32] Ariadne and gitlab is a lot of work [09:32] schestowitz yeah, common situatiin [09:32] schestowitz shithub 'works' [09:32] Ariadne and i need the CI [09:32] schestowitz but in the long run it's not worth putting any more labour into it [09:33] Ariadne well i am getting ready to launch a new initiative so it makes sense for me to just do it right from start [09:33] schestowitz there are gitlab hosts [09:33] schestowitz if shtf you can export and relocate [09:33] schestowitz there are many gitea hosts [09:33] vZS1 I connected to IRC via my desktop, yesterday. My phone's IRC client is a bit buggy after the new client "updates". [09:33] Ariadne true but i have my own DC [09:33] schestowitz fsf will be a host [09:34] vZS1 I still read the logs, daily [09:34] schestowitz building something based on gitlab [09:34] Ariadne so it just makes sense to bite the bullet and self host [09:34] Ariadne i wouldn't host with fsf anyway [09:34] schestowitz the tr server has git on it [09:34] Ariadne fsf is radioactive :) [09:34] vZS1 Why build on that bugridden crap [09:34] schestowitz but we don't have big chucks of code, usually scripts at most 200 LOCs [09:34] vZS1 (GitLab) [09:34] schestowitz Ariadne: it is [09:35] Ariadne vZS1: mostly because my contributors want to retain the workflow used in github [09:35] Ariadne and gitlab is the easiest way to retain that workflow [09:35] schestowitz some people inside FSF try to incite RMS against us [09:35] schestowitz but it failed [09:35] Ariadne gitea is nice, but lacks CI integration [09:35] schestowitz because RMS realised he had been lied to, misattributions mostly [09:35] Ariadne i've tried to migrate to sourcehut already, but it was a disaster [09:36] schestowitz sh.rt [09:36] Ariadne people complained that the workflow was a pain in the ass vs github [09:36] schestowitz something like that [09:36] schestowitz are they any good? sure I didn't spell it right [09:36] Ariadne personally i like sourcehut, but the workflow is emailed patches or link a patch in irc [09:36] Ariadne and that's not something people want to do [09:37] Ariadne so i will just deploy gitlab instead [09:37] Ariadne for example, you can do basic CI on commits with gitea [09:37] Ariadne but there's no pass/fail on merge requests [09:38] Ariadne gitlab has the best CI integration in that regard [09:38] vZS1 schestowitz: our CI runs on a budget SBC so we do a lot better than Shit (Hub/Lab). (: [09:38] schestowitz it's easy to back up and replicate [09:38] Ariadne you can approve an MR and have it auto merge once CI pases [09:38] schestowitz no "hosted" [09:38] vZS1 And we have unlimited "minutes" [09:38] vZS1 And we own the hardware [09:39] Ariadne vZS1: so do i if i run my own gitlab install and CI runner [09:39] schestowitz Ariadne: since you brought up FSF, some funky things happened lately [09:39] schestowitz I'll paste several lines [09:39] schestowitz " [09:39] schestowitz It's correct to assert that defence of RMS and his mindset can be spun as hostility; it's too easy, isn't it? Over the years I read a lot about (sometimes leaked internal documents) the tactics of fracturing and dividing people who otherwise collaborate and coordinate. We know that three-letter agencies in the US do this (Wikileaks is one example) and we saw documents from Microsoft suggesting similar tactics. [09:39] schestowitz Earlier this year I was sent about 20,000 E-mails from FSF servers, causing me to interact with FSF staff including John. I don't know who weaponised FSF servers against me (not just one but two of my accounts, including a private email account I do not advertise). Please tell John that I strongly disagree with some of the things published in Techrights about him (and some other people), however I'm compelled not to hide how some [09:39] schestowitz >other< people feel. Burying sentiments is not the way to go. [09:39] schestowitz The above two paragraphs, put together, can lead to "conspiracy theories" about someone trying to drive a wedge between myself and people whom I generally support. [09:39] schestowitz " [09:40] Ariadne i mean, RMS has some kooky ideas its true [09:40] schestowitz he does at times [09:40] schestowitz everyone does [09:40] schestowitz many people don't agree with MOST people's lifestyle [09:40] Ariadne however, having thought about it a lot, i think the attacks on him were largely in bad faith [09:40] schestowitz Muslims, gay, trans etc. [09:41] schestowitz in RMS and his speeches it's often things like empathy [09:41] schestowitz but I think when it comes to s/w there has been too much empathy towards govs and companies that bomb people [09:41] schestowitz FSF might even want to seem "patriotic" [09:41] Ariadne the silver lining to RMS being booted out of FSF is that FSF might start doing things that actually make sense [09:42] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [09:42] Ariadne but hasn't happened [09:42] schestowitz that means not calling cops "thugs" and saying that it is them who assault people as opposed to perverts who make unwanted advances [09:42] Ariadne both are forms of assault [09:42] schestowitz Ariadne: they didn't get many new members [09:42] schestowitz hardly 2/3 [09:43] schestowitz Ariadne: RMS would not agree [09:43] schestowitz with the wording [09:43] schestowitz and that's why he was in hot water [09:43] schestowitz I think it's far less severe than actually doing the assault [09:43] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [09:43] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [09:43] Ariadne by the way, sometimes unwanted advances are not genuine [09:43] schestowitz like people who say child pornography doesn't hurt anyone but do not themselves possess or care for any [09:43] Ariadne sometimes men make advances towards women to convince them to leave a space [09:44] Ariadne its a complicated topic [09:44] schestowitz I never heard that before [09:44] schestowitz I know about testing boundaries [09:44] schestowitz someone explained it to us some years back [09:44] vZS1 Btw [09:44] Ariadne its pretty common in tech [09:44] vZS1 Re: child pornography [09:45] schestowitz it's a common pretext [09:45] schestowitz for lots of things [09:45] vZS1 There's child pornography being circulated on the internet under the guise of "nudism" [09:45] schestowitz red herrings [09:45] vZS1 "nudist lifestyle" [09:45] schestowitz sounds like a FB thing [09:45] vZS1 That's concerning [09:45] Ariadne well, i have seen men do this to women because they wanted the women to leave [09:45] vZS1 I just wanted to bring it up because I forgot about it [09:46] schestowitz rmeember fb censored a picture of vietnam war [09:46] schestowitz an award-winning photo [09:46] Ariadne that said i think RMS sometimes shoots himself in the foot [09:47] schestowitz we all do [09:47] schestowitz sometimes [09:47] Ariadne like when the glibc maintainers wanted to remove that stupid abortion joke [09:47] schestowitz he writes and says a lot [09:47] Ariadne and he was like [09:47] Ariadne no we are keeping it [09:47] schestowitz he replies to every random email, even from 4chan trolls [09:47] vZS1 Do you know where I can go to report sites circulating child porno under the guise of nudism? [09:47] Ariadne and that's final [09:48] schestowitz vZS1: maybe that british agency that blocked parts of wikipedia [09:48] Ariadne vZS1: the netblocks they are on will have an abuse contact [09:48] schestowitz under a similar basis/grounds [09:48] schestowitz but that was like 15 years ago [09:48] schestowitz something Watch [09:48] Ariadne vZS1: you can contact that abuse desk and be like IP 1.2.3.4 has www.blah.com on it and it has child porn at URI [09:48] schestowitz I heard worse things [09:48] schestowitz about taking down sites that are legit [09:49] schestowitz by uploading to them unsavoury things [09:49] Ariadne yeah it happens [09:49] schestowitz then issuing complaints, takedowns, threats [09:49] Ariadne someone tried to do that to pleroma.site [09:49] schestowitz or just repelling those who participate in them [09:49] Ariadne they uploaded CP and then reported it [09:49] Ariadne unfortunately for them [09:49] Ariadne i have my own IP space [09:49] Ariadne so i am the abuse contact [09:49] Ariadne so it was a jolly waste of time for the [09:49] Ariadne m [09:49] Ariadne :) [09:49] vZS1 If you remember the name, let me know [09:50] schestowitz they blocked some pages in wikipedia [09:50] schestowitz but it was so long ago, something to do with nudity [09:50] vZS1 Did those pages have child pornography on them? [09:50] schestowitz can't recall [09:50] schestowitz it was unsafe for kids, they said [09:50] schestowitz wikipedia has photos of nipples and genitals [09:50] schestowitz for relevant articles [09:51] schestowitz "Planet Debian Uncensored (and its sister sites) has a tone different from mine and many Nazi analogies I never wrapped my head around (cannot; I think too many things are being compared to Nazis). Some articles from there I did not repost and in some cases I left out images that were not suitable for our audience. Techrights tried to help combat censorship; all who are longtime contributors and have facts on their site deserve a voice [09:51] schestowitz Daniel is a good guy. He was betrayed in a very major way. He has many legitimate reasons to be upset. He's very supportive of RMS. A lot of what's said about him is patently false." [09:51] schestowitz I think I know which articles of his upset people [09:51] schestowitz and are called unfounded [09:52] schestowitz we didn't repost some of them [09:52] schestowitz he likes to compare many things to nazism [09:52] schestowitz maybe because fsfe is predominantly german and he's in switzeerland [09:52] schestowitz born in .au to irish family, worked and lived in the UK (near me, same university at some point) [09:53] schestowitz so the whole german thing is suspicious to him [09:53] schestowitz I still see German nazi web sites [09:53] schestowitz they predate social control media hype [09:53] schestowitz people self-hosting with suse and stuff [09:53] schestowitz the whole "hitler did nothing wrong BS" [09:54] schestowitz and "gas chamber faked" [09:54] schestowitz the web was always full of junk [09:54] schestowitz in newsgroups it was rampant [09:54] schestowitz media tries to tell us it's all new [09:54] schestowitz "troll farms" [09:54] schestowitz "conspiracy theories" [09:54] schestowitz but i remember these going back to the 90s [09:54] schestowitz rememeber rotten.com? [09:55] schestowitz anyone familiar with it? 1990s... [09:55] kingoffrance be sure to leave a pretty corpse lol [09:55] Ariadne anyways [09:55] schestowitz really gross, things like people shot in the face [09:55] vZS1 This predates the internet [09:55] schestowitz www or net? [09:55] kingoffrance yes, and they made fun of ppl who would laugh at a party at one pic and then be offended at next thing [09:55] schestowitz before the internet you'd need telegram or paper and stuff [09:56] Ariadne i wish gitea had CI integration [09:56] Ariadne if it did, it would be perfect for my needs [09:56] schestowitz maybe it can be conjoined with jenkins [09:56] schestowitz I heard of people who use pertinent bits. github is just proprietary integration [09:56] schestowitz like bugzilla for bugs [09:57] schestowitz bugzilla is super-easy to set up [09:57] schestowitz and you can theme it also [09:57] schestowitz to suit gitea or gitlab [09:57] schestowitz kde and gnome gitlab is sort of bare and default them [09:57] schestowitz *theme [09:57] schestowitz invent.kde.org [09:57] Ariadne it can be [09:57] Ariadne i also absolutely despise bugzilla [09:57] schestowitz almost no images at all, very clean [09:58] Ariadne i'm just going to deploy gitlab [09:58] schestowitz you can track bugs with ticketing systems [09:58] schestowitz like RT or OTRS [09:58] schestowitz ill-suited [09:58] Ariadne yeah my contributors hate that [09:58] Ariadne they want github/gitlab type workflow [09:58] Ariadne with pass/fail CI [09:58] Ariadne on every MR [09:58] schestowitz but has numbers and priorities and all, can be used to mark tasks and do permissions for access, reporting [09:58] Ariadne gitlab is actually better than what github has to offer in that regard :D [09:59] vZS1 What's really important for a bug tracker is discoverability. I've been thinking about how to deal with that issue for the one I'm designing. [09:59] schestowitz the freebsd guy on kde (adrian de groot?) loves gitlab and MRs [09:59] schestowitz he was sceptical at first, then wrote that he fell in love with it [09:59] Ariadne yeah i like it too [09:59] Ariadne as do the people who send me patches ● Jan 02 [10:00] Ariadne and really [10:00] Ariadne i want to optimize for whatever makes the people sending me patches happy [10:00] Ariadne while also ensuring ownership of data [10:01] Ariadne so gitlab with github OAuth support is probably my best bet [10:01] Ariadne for making this easy [10:02] vZS1 I don't see the point of GUIs on top of Git. I get data plotting and metrics but as an _interface_ it's nonsense. [10:02] vZS1 You can't automate it practically so it's already rubbish [10:03] vZS1 Forced to work with DSLs [10:03] vZS1 Which makes it even worse [10:04] Ariadne mostly its about code review and CI pass/fail [10:05] vZS1 Working with the base DVCS is much more productive and flexible. Can use any programming language to extend and automate [10:05] Ariadne you *can* do the former with email [10:05] vZS1 Which is why we use a VCS in the first place: automation [10:05] Ariadne but people hated that in my experience vs github [10:05] Ariadne switching to sourcehut for pkgconf resulted in everyone whining about it needing to go back to github [10:09] vZS1 8GB RAM minimum requirement to host ShitLab. [10:09] vZS1 No thanks [10:09] Ariadne yeah [10:09] Ariadne im just going to give it 32 [10:09] Ariadne :))))) [10:11] vZS1 People waste their time, thinking these interfaces will solve their problems. Then they have to fall back to plain CLI Git to get the real problems solved [10:13] vZS1 They're all just fancy presentation layers. Screw wasting so much computing on a presentation layer. That should be done on a separate program that the user has on their system. Separation of concerns [10:16] vZS1 These Git UIs are typically all made by "front end" people [10:17] vZS1 Who don't know anything about designing systems [10:20] vZS1 All under the guise of "accessibility" [10:20] vZS1 If someone is incapable of learning the DVCS, I'm not letting that incompetence seep into my code. [10:21] schestowitz side story [10:22] schestowitz I used to be hugely enamoured with GUIs [10:22] schestowitz I wrote tons of them [10:22] schestowitz for every research project [10:22] schestowitz even if I was the only user of my programs [10:22] schestowitz in hindsight it just made them look more professional [10:22] schestowitz but likely was not worth the time/effort [10:23] schestowitz because the GUIs basically construct commands [10:23] schestowitz and you can just put together more commands more quickly then you can press lots of things [10:23] schestowitz and then you can script over those commands [10:23] schestowitz in short [10:23] schestowitz GUIs lower learning curve [10:23] schestowitz but that comes at a (hidden) cost [10:23] schestowitz it might impress the boss [10:24] schestowitz but would not make you necessarily productive [10:24] vZS1 Graphics are great. I love graphics. But they need to be functional and serve a purpose. [10:25] vZS1 Most GUIs are not serving a legitimate functional purpose [10:25] schestowitz they are also a risk in maintenance [10:26] schestowitz like a new versiob of gtk comes out [10:26] schestowitz and you need to employ people to 'fix' the GUI [10:26] schestowitz toolkits are erratic [10:28] vZS1 A good example of where graphics really help are interactive text editors. Highlighting indentation and that kind of stuff [10:30] vZS1 But a GUI as an _interface_ to Git really is stupidity. You need to be an idiot to buy that crap [10:31] vZS1 A GUI for a bug tracker makes a lot of sense too. That's where you really need the accessibility for some users [10:32] vZS1 A nice big "submit bug" button [10:41] vZS1 GIAFAM wants to ruin Git just like they want to ruin GNU/Linux. Good, free tools they do not like. [10:42] vZS1 They're succeeding as well. Many people think Git and GitHub are synonymous [10:42] vZS1 Without a healthy number of users, Git risks fading away. [10:43] vZS1 GitHub has its own CLI as well. Many people use that exclusively, now. [10:45] vZS1 Everybody bending over backwards to migrate to ShitHub doesn't help ● Jan 02 [11:09] *schestowitz makes video about ipfs [11:09] schestowitz CLI [11:09] schestowitz I have to do it a second time [11:10] schestowitz as someone's initials were showing in the console [11:10] schestowitz something I was trying to avoid [11:10] schestowitz anyway, the second time can be done better, more concise [11:19] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) ● Jan 02 [12:10] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:28] *tr_guest|99814 (bc1a9133@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.188.26.145.51) has joined #techrights [12:31] *tr_guest|99814 has quit (Client Quit) [12:48] *tr_guest|99814 (bc1a9133@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.188.26.145.51) has joined #techrights [12:49] *tr_guest|99814 has quit (Client Quit) [12:55] *tr_guest|99814 (bc1a9133@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.188.26.145.51) has joined #techrights [12:58] *tr_guest|99814 has quit (Client Quit) ● Jan 02 [13:06] *tr_guest|99814 (bc1a9133@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.188.26.145.51) has joined #techrights [13:06] *tr_guest|99814 has quit (Client Quit) [13:18] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:18] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:26] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:26] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [13:34] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:34] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:58] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:58] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) ● Jan 02 [14:01] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [14:02] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [14:06] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:06] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [14:27] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [14:28] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [14:31] scientes XRevan86, I was thinking about Chechnya defending that murder, and thinking themselves valient in doing so [14:32] scientes but I defend saying they might put such people in the army over saying "there can be too much religion" [14:32] scientes I think the problem is that people are trying to follow Mohammed, but he is not Jesus [14:33] XRevan86 Following Jesus is fundamentally better? [14:33] scientes so I think the thing is to try to split up the chapters of the Koran and try to follow just one at a time [14:34] scientes XRevan86, he told people to follow him [14:34] XRevan86 scientes: Ah, you mean that Mohammed incorporated an interpretation of Christianity into Islam. [14:34] scientes I just think there is *something* they are defending, in defending murder, that probably is of value, if questionable [14:35] scientes XRevan86, well Jesus is referened as just "Jesus" in chapter 4, and other places as "Jesus, son of Mary", "Jesus, the Messiah", and finially as a baby that Mary is holding in her arms, showing people. [14:36] scientes so yes, there is an interpretation there [14:36] XRevan86 scientes: That is pretty obvious. Putin's also defended something when tried to cover up the submarine Kursk sinkage. [14:36] XRevan86 Everyone's defending something (usually their interests). [14:36] scientes indeed [14:37] scientes and in many persuits men try to learn by competition, and while christianity can handle that, islam almost can't [14:38] XRevan86 Religion hates criticism. [14:38] scientes yeah, I think that is what I am saying [14:38] XRevan86 I don't know of a religion that says "critical thought is good". [14:38] XRevan86 It's always "critical thought is how you get to hell" [14:39] scientes Jews tend to get to that point [14:39] scientes oh yeah, that was the other thing [14:39] scientes islam and christianity instruct people to leave their parents [14:40] scientes but yeah, it more has to do with critical thought [14:40] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [14:40] scientes islam tends to become all about stupid rules [14:40] XRevan86 Religion teaches unconditional trust in itself, which is how it survives. [14:40] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [14:41] scientes and islam especially tends to be very intolerant [14:41] scientes but that is from afar, I haven't really experienced it first hand [14:42] XRevan86 One of the strong points of Islam is that it doesn't tolerate defection. [14:42] XRevan86 Once Muslim forever Muslim. [14:42] scientes but I feel that is the whole strong point about worshipping god over a person, is that you then can critically think [14:42] scientes but I am afraid that is just me [14:43] scientes yes, the defection thing is a big one [14:43] scientes those from muslim places with facebook complain about all the racism [14:43] scientes or whatever it is---anti-defection [14:43] XRevan86 For the people who were considered part of the cult from birth that literally means having no choice. [14:43] scientes and intolerance [14:44] scientes XRevan86, it certainly was threatening to the CCCP in Xin Jiang [14:44] XRevan86 > I feel that is the whole strong point about worshipping god over a person, is that you then can critically think [14:44] XRevan86 I have no idea what you mean by that. [14:44] scientes they saw a new generation growing up with cell phones, and the children seeking out a muslim identity on their phones [14:45] scientes XRevan86, pretending that someone doesn't exist will you a fist in the face [14:46] scientes and this was an identity that 1. the CCCP had no control over, and 2. was seen as "not Chinese" [14:48] scientes XRevan86, yeah, most worship is just the hypocrites copying other people [14:49] XRevan86 The best thing about worshipping God over a person is that God doesn't exist, so there's no dirt under the rug there is no dirt, and no rug. [14:49] scientes yeah, that is what I was saying [14:50] scientes which is best developed in Brothers Karamazov ● Jan 02 [15:02] XRevan86 scientes: huh [15:03] scientes The best thing about worshipping God over a person is that God doesn't exist, so there's no dirt under the rug there is no dirt, and no rug. [15:03] XRevan86 scientes: I don't think we understood each other. [15:04] scientes I agree with this statement [15:04] scientes it is possible to worship something that doesn't exist [15:05] XRevan86 What I meant is that it's impossible to debunk God, because there's nothing to debunk. [15:05] scientes ahhh, and I am saying that that is the best part about god [15:05] XRevan86 If a person believes that God exists, there's just nothing to do. [15:06] XRevan86 If a person believes in a particular fortune-teller, there are ways to debunk. [15:06] XRevan86 So a belief in an abstract being that doesn't exist is stronger and will persist for much longer, than a belief in a person. [15:06] scientes but that is why we have flying spagetti monster [15:07] XRevan86 "the thing" in terms of survivability of a cult [15:07] XRevan86 * "the best thing" [15:08] XRevan86 No contradictions with reality because no intersections with reality. [15:10] XRevan86 The weakest points of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are related to reality: facts and historical accounts. [15:10] scientes No contradictions with reality because no intersections with reality. [15:10] XRevan86 They made this shit up at least to some extent, and it shows. [15:10] scientes but that is related to incorrect expectations [15:11] scientes XRevan86, if god doesn't exist, you HAVE to make it up [15:11] XRevan86 scientes: A perfect religion would try not to make predictions about reality. [15:11] XRevan86 because that is how its fraudulent nature gets exposed [15:12] scientes ugggh [15:12] scientes I need a vulkan driver [15:12] scientes fuck NVIDIA [15:12] scientes to play windows games [15:13] XRevan86 Real religions just go "okay, this is factually incorrect, but it's a metaphor, even if it's explicitly stated that it's not a metaphor" [15:14] scientes yeah, but haven't you even played that "opposite day" game? [15:14] XRevan86 > if god doesn't exist, you HAVE to make it up [15:14] XRevan86 scientes: Voltaire, eh? [15:14] scientes XRevan86, Candide and Pangloss certainly do get bored when they find El Dorado where philsophy is studied [15:15] scientes and people talk about such silly things as the existance of God [15:15] XRevan86 scientes: Like when SMBC does it? [15:15] scientes that web site annoys me [15:16] scientes I had to spend too much time blocking annoying parts of the page, and there is still one ad I can't seem to block [15:16] XRevan86 seems to be fine for me [15:17] XRevan86 scientes: As long as such discussions are treated in the same fashion as discussions of Klingon politics, I don't have a problem with that. [15:18] XRevan86 Spock united Vulkans and Romulans, can you believe it? [15:18] XRevan86 such character! [15:19] scientes XRevan86, he should unite Vulkan and NVIDIA [15:19] scientes so I can play these games [15:19] XRevan86 * Vulcans [15:20] XRevan86 scientes: Should've gotten an amdgpu [15:20] scientes nouveau works [15:20] scientes it just doesn't support vulkan [15:20] scientes which is how wine provides better DX support [15:22] *XRevan86 opened a Wikipedia article on Vulcans and looked for any mention of "elf": surprisingly none. [15:22] scientes haha [15:23] MinceR <(^_^)> [15:24] XRevan86 > From Middle English elf, from Old English lf, from Proto-Germanic *albiz. Ultimately probably derived from Proto-Indo-European *helbs (white). [15:24] XRevan86 elves are the white people! [15:24] scientes ubuntu doesn't even seem to have users anymore [15:25] psydroid lol [15:27] MinceR good [15:28] psydroid Ubuntu is just something I install(ed) for friends and relatives [15:29] XRevan86 There's lots of potential here. Not as much as with "family" (slavery normalisation) though. [15:29] scientes cell phone OSes are really difficult to develo [15:29] scientes there are so many more issues that desktops don't have [15:29] psydroid but I should install something else in the future now that they are pushing Snap and the likes [15:30] scientes psydroid, yeah, I plan to switch to Debian, but it ain't gonna happen anytime soon [15:31] scientes also, the problem with mobile is that you can't develop on the same device [15:31] scientes which kinda takes away some of the motivation [15:32] MinceR you could, if they weren't so limited by design [15:33] scientes MinceR, I guess I could with a hdmi monitor [15:33] scientes but i don't have an hdmi in on my laptop [15:34] psydroid scientes, I've been running Debian Sid on some machines without any noteworthy problems, so I've been cutting down on the number of Ubuntu installs and only have one left [15:34] scientes psydroid, yeah I run as few machines as possible [15:35] scientes it is just my laptop and phone [15:35] scientes I have a few vpses but I basically just set up wireguard and znc and then ignore them [15:36] psydroid that's what I do too, as I don't like admining machines and wasting too much time that way [15:36] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-end-of-history [15:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - The End of History [15:37] psydroid or I only install updates when I actually use the machines [15:37] XRevan86 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_syndrome#Society_and_culture hm [15:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Williams syndrome - Wikipedia [15:39] scientes I dislike the politics of open source software [15:50] scientes yeah ELF is actually a decent format [15:50] XRevan86 scientes: What a good format, what a bigoted name :3 [15:51] XRevan86 it's both racist and able-ist [15:52] XRevan86 I can actually see this catch on if it were not me who saw that connection but BuzzFeed or something. [15:53] XRevan86 + maybe sexist [15:55] XRevan86 Because skinny elf ladies in video games. [15:56] MinceR what happened to male elves? [15:56] *tr_guest|42 (59404d72@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.64.77.114) has joined #techrights [15:56] XRevan86 oh, and also body shaming [15:56] *tr_guest|42 has quit (Client Quit) [15:56] XRevan86 MinceR: Not as favoured in video games. [15:56] MinceR only some of the best, like Heretic and Heretic II :> [15:57] XRevan86 MinceR: Come on, don't ruin my narrative of elf social injustice. [15:57] MinceR lol ● Jan 02 [16:01] XRevan86 Oh, orc and ogre are technically the same thing. [16:01] XRevan86 I had no idea. [16:02] XRevan86 And in Italian orco is man-eating giant [16:03] XRevan86 that explains why in the Russian dub of Shrek he was a man-eater. [16:03] XRevan86 Never made sense to me, now it does. [16:05] XRevan86 Well, partially. "man-eater" kind of ruins the whole narrative of Shrek and is probably the worst word to use even if it makes some historical or etymological sense. [16:08] kingoffrance i saw a thing about little ppl being highly valued in egypt and elsewhere, various cultures, but youll have to research and i have in no way done so; didnt go into detail beyond height [16:10] XRevan86 https://smbc-comics.com/comic/numbers-3 [16:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Numbers [16:12] XRevan86 A symbol for 2 could be :) [16:14] MinceR :) [16:14] MinceR isn't that closer to 1.5? [16:15] XRevan86 MinceR: Imagine that two legs joined together into one :) [16:15] scientes [16:15] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/160960286720210102after.png [16:15] scientes [16:16] scientes Oh, orc and ogre are technically the same thing. [16:16] scientes not in video games [16:16] MinceR or in most fantasy settings [16:16] scientes XRevan86, he was too cute to be a man-eater? [16:17] XRevan86 scientes: He didn't eat men. [16:17] scientes but he was an ogre [16:17] *scientes now forgets the plot of Shrek [16:17] scientes doesn't help that they made sequels [16:17] XRevan86 scientes: Which inside the lore of Shrek didn't mean that he ate people. [16:18] XRevan86 scientes: Yes, but it's the same word, "ogre" is just French for orc. [16:18] scientes yeah but its kind beauty and the beast [16:18] scientes and the beast doesn't eat men [16:18] scientes but he is still a beast [16:18] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/gender [16:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Gender [16:19] XRevan86 MinceR: Wrote an email to Zach, maybe he'll "fix" the after.png :D [16:19] MinceR in D&D, even the type of ogre is different from that of orc [16:19] MinceR (giant vs humanoid) [16:19] scientes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbDX_5Nmy1o [16:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Beauty and the Beast Live- Me - YouTube [16:19] XRevan86 I think the correlation between tau and te is a great combo. [16:20] MinceR i write the latter like a T anyway [16:20] scientes and Garcon certainly says that the beast is a man-eater [16:20] scientes so I think Shrek is the same thing [16:20] scientes Orge is what *other* people call Shrek [16:21] XRevan86 MinceR: Even in cursive? [16:21] MinceR only in cursive [16:21] MinceR scientes: isn't ogre Shrek's species? [16:21] scientes MinceR, a species that specializes in eating men? [16:21] XRevan86 MinceR: The cursive te looks like m [16:21] scientes yes, it is [16:21] scientes but that is what makes him not a human [16:22] MinceR XRevan86: afaik there are 2 versions of it and the other looks like T [16:22] scientes as this is fantasy world [16:22] XRevan86 MinceR: I am not aware of any other cursive variety. [16:22] MinceR do you call all handwriting "cursive"? [16:23] scientes MinceR, he doesn't even know how to write Latin in cursive [16:23] XRevan86 MinceR: No, just a specific variety that joins all letters together. [16:24] MinceR ah [16:24] MinceR then i guess my handwriting wasn't "cursive" even then :> [16:24] MinceR since then i've stopped joining letters together because i realized it made my writing a lot more readable and didn't slow me down [16:26] XRevan86 https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/195431/137106206.7b6/0_204da3_f1e53206_orig [16:27] scientes uggh [16:27] scientes I just barely learned to read printed cyrillic [16:27] XRevan86 2 . . -. [16:28] scientes I read today [16:28] scientes uggh my keyboard skills are horrible [16:28] XRevan86 Curcumin? [16:28] scientes its a spice [16:29] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:29] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [16:29] XRevan86 While looking for examples I also saw https://mixnews.lv/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/23/1557226406_0001-e1574497067690.jpg [16:29] scientes https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0_(%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5) [16:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ru.wikipedia.org | () [16:30] scientes hmmm doesn't use that here [16:30] XRevan86 so elaborate [16:30] scientes but i could read it cause it was the same as english [16:30] scientes [16:31] scientes but the georgian wikipedia page has it different [16:31] scientes no that wasn't it in georgian on tha packaging either [16:31] scientes it was the same as the cyrillic [16:32] scientes oh damn [16:32] scientes first, curcuma [16:32] scientes but its actually goldenseal [16:33] scientes now that i ate some [16:33] scientes and maybe i just dont know what the hell it is [16:34] scientes tumeric [16:34] scientes but it doesn't taste like tumeric [16:34] scientes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curcuma [16:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Curcuma - Wikipedia [16:35] scientes ok, i guess it is tumeric [16:35] scientes yeah that is what i thought it was [16:35] scientes i got cumin and tumeric confused [16:35] scientes its just old and has lost its flavor [16:36] scientes flavoring agent in many Asian cuisines, especially for curries, as well as for dyeing, characteristics imparted by the principal turmeric constituent, curcumin.[4] Turmeric [16:36] scientes cumin != curcumin [16:37] MinceR 02 172640 < XRevan86> https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/195431/137106206.7b6/0_204da3_f1e53206_orig [16:37] MinceR ah yes, the famous infinite string of joined U shapes [16:37] MinceR good luck finding out what it means [16:38] scientes MinceR, Latin cursive loots similar [16:38] scientes so are you saying you can't read cursive? [16:38] MinceR latin cursive sometimes has the same issue, but to a lesser extent [16:38] scientes the Zs are the same [16:39] MinceR in russian cursive, can look identical to or [16:40] MinceR and there's no dot on i-s :> [16:40] XRevan86 MinceR: This is post-reform, there are no i-s [16:40] MinceR i know [16:41] MinceR but in latin cursive, a squiggly mess can at least be somewhat disambiguated by the dots [16:51] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/ceres [16:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Ceres [16:56] XRevan86 MinceR: Not really identical. [16:57] XRevan86 will have a bump in the middle that will not have [16:57] XRevan86 and will not have a preceding bump that will have [16:57] MinceR i'm sure that will be reliably and unambiguously reproduced every time in handwriting :> [16:58] XRevan86 MinceR: It actually will. [16:58] XRevan86 Now what is actually a problem is various combinations of , and [16:59] XRevan86 partially solvable by (unenforced) strokes above and below [16:59] MinceR fully solvable by writing discrete letters :> ● Jan 02 [17:01] XRevan86 MinceR: Next thing you'll say a ballpoint pen is actually a common thing :) [17:01] XRevan86 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Fountain_pen_writing_%28literacy%29.jpg [17:01] XRevan86 A photograph of a fountain pen on Wikipedia, coincidentally above some Russian cursive writing %) [17:02] MinceR gel pens and fountain pens are so much better than plain ballpoint pens :> [17:05] XRevan86 Ironically I can't actually read it [17:07] MinceR because it's cursive :> [17:07] scientes these user interrupts in riscv are really interesting [17:08] MinceR i got tired of having to press ballpoint pens down hard and still get breaks in ink, so i switched to fountain pens [17:09] MinceR and then used those until i wrote so rarely my pen dried out between every two instances of writing, then i got gel pens :) [17:09] MinceR though allegedly there is some fountain pen that won't dry out [17:09] XRevan86 MinceR: I think I figured it out: I think this is South Slavic. [17:09] MinceR :) [17:12] XRevan86 Bulgarian more specifically [17:12] XRevan86 but maybe not, I am confused by this [17:13] *inky (~inky@37.252.82.222) has joined #techrights [17:27] MinceR (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/20/f0a5fb86ed4bb497.jpg [17:37] *aindilis` (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [17:38] *aindilis has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [17:52] *Sajesajama has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [17:53] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:53] *Sajesajama (Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama) has joined #techrights [17:53] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Jan 02 [18:02] *Sajesajama has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [18:04] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WclnwYyhcos [18:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-when a game's audio is more suggestive than you realize - YouTube [18:09] *aindilis` has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [18:50] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20072252 [18:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4774017) [18:54] *tdemin (~tdemin@lan.tdem.in) has joined #techrights [18:58] XRevan86 MinceR: So the solar system is the centre of the universe? [18:59] MinceR no, i am :> ● Jan 02 [19:04] MinceR or maybe Azathoth is [19:04] XRevan86 One of the two. [19:06] DaemonFC[m] Well, if the universe is expanding then there is no permanent center to the universe. [19:06] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Unless it expands uniformly in all directions. [19:06] DaemonFC[m] We don't know that it does. [19:06] MinceR well, if you define a center for it, that is the point that stands still and everything expands from [19:07] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: We do know that MinceR is at the centre, so your argument is invalid. [19:07] DaemonFC[m] In an explosion, you don't have the exact same amount of energy released in all directions at once. [19:09] MinceR explosions are finite in size, though [19:09] XRevan86 O.K., fine, but can we at least agree that that point from which the matter was released is where MinceR is? [19:09] MinceR it's easy to find the center of such an object [19:09] DaemonFC[m] So if there was a variance in the big bang then the universe would not be a uniform shape, but it would still have a definable center, but only if you knew exactly how to calculate it. [19:09] XRevan86 or maybe Azathoth [19:09] DaemonFC[m] So it's perhaps unknowable. [19:10] XRevan86 No means to find out != unknowable [19:12] XRevan86 There is nothing more constant than change of the Firefox menu design. [19:13] MinceR :> [19:14] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [19:14] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [19:15] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:17] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:28] DaemonFC[m] I finally figured out whether to use the I-864A or not. [19:28] DaemonFC[m] The lawyers are correct that you could include the income from your spouse on the I-864, but if you are depending upon it to bring the household above the poverty line, you should have that household member sign an I-864A to get a firm committment to support the household. [19:29] DaemonFC[m] So the form is correct, but the instructions have you fill it out in a way that's easier for the immigration officer to deny. [19:29] DaemonFC[m] Well, that's nice. MinceR Government. [19:29] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:30] DaemonFC[m] If you disregard the instructions on the form and fill out an I-864A even though that immigrant doesn't have to, it won't be denied and it will make it harder for the officer to deem them likely public charge or say your household doesn't have enough income. [19:30] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [19:31] DaemonFC[m] Because they signed an actual binding contract that obligates them to pay back the government if they use a named public benefit in the next 5 years. [19:31] MinceR what does it have to do with me? [19:31] DaemonFC[m] The government lies even by telling the truth. [19:31] DaemonFC[m] I thought you'd get a kick out of it. [19:33] DaemonFC[m] If they had waited even another month this would have been easier to fill out. I'm not going to have all of the tax forms I need by January 26th for the 2020 tax year. [19:33] DaemonFC[m] It's almost like they want to set us up to fail. They schedule a day where there's likely to be a snowstorm, they do it when they know we won't have a tax filing prepared for the past year. [19:37] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Google is deliberately sabotaging other browsers and VPN users especially. I wonder how long before Firefox has to change search providers. [19:38] DaemonFC[m] Many other browsers have already signed deals with either Microsoft or DuckDuckGo, because Google's sabotage is affecting their users. [19:38] DaemonFC[m] Some revenue for GNOME comes from DuckDuckGo, but not a lot. Many distributions don't even include GNOME Web by default. [19:39] DaemonFC[m] I think I read somewhere that Debian does now. [19:39] DaemonFC[m] Things with Firefox have finally gotten to the point where it can't even be argued that it's Free Software anymore. [19:39] DaemonFC[m] It's adware and spyware and includes many proprietary modules, and there's the same trademark issues there always were. [19:40] DaemonFC[m] DRM won vs. the open web. Mozilla didn't even make a fuss over it. [19:41] DaemonFC[m] They just said that they use a sandbox for the Widevine module. [19:41] DaemonFC[m] Assuming that malicious software can't escape the sandbox is a big if, and that's an aside. [19:41] DaemonFC[m] A sandbox is defense in depth from a malware assault, but sandboxes are never perfect. [19:42] DaemonFC[m] I wonder about IPFS, honestly. [19:42] DaemonFC[m] If the WebExtensions for Chrome and Firefox are good enough for someone to add support for it that way. [19:43] DaemonFC[m] These extensions are not powerful, and Google makes them less powerful all the time, and still they're always plenty powerful for hundreds of them to slip in ads and pop-ups, and keyloggers. [19:44] DaemonFC[m] Both Microsoft and Google boast about their security with the extensions, but they both got exposed for having many of the same malicious extensions, again, recently. [19:44] DaemonFC[m] So neither company's review process, whatever that is, foiled it. [19:45] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft has a store for Edge, but it's hard to imagine why. They're so indifferent to whatever Google does to the platform that they haven't made any changes that would render Chrome extensions incompatible that I have seen. [19:46] DaemonFC[m] The fact that Microsoft has their own store makes Edge even less secure, because often the Edge version of an extension does not get published by the original author. [19:47] DaemonFC[m] And the more hands these things pass through, the more likely it is that someone adds something bad. [19:47] DaemonFC[m] It's another chance for someone to have bad intentions. [19:51] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [19:51] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [19:52] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:59] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:59] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Jan 02 [20:00] *birkoff has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [20:19] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ruflaljurnlzhfmq) has joined #techrights [20:19] *birkoff has quit (Changing host) [20:19] *birkoff (birkoff@unaffiliated/birkoff) has joined #techrights [20:19] *birkoff has quit (Changing host) [20:19] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ruflaljurnlzhfmq) has joined #techrights [20:27] *aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [20:28] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:29] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [20:33] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20071958 [20:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4766503) [20:34] *inky (~inky@141.136.76.144) has joined #techrights [20:35] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jan 02 [21:02] *tr_guest|82710 (bcc16483@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.188.193.100.131) has joined #techrights [21:03] tr_guest|82710 Simn says "It follows that pensioners will receive what is rightfully owed to them, i.e. pensions adjusted on the basis of the new adjustment method adopted unanimously by the Council". Who says "rightfully" ? [21:04] *tr_guest|82710 has quit (Client Quit) [21:32] *scientes2 (~yaaic@185.70.52.144) has joined #techrights [21:34] *scientes2 has quit (Client Quit) [21:43] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:43] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [21:43] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.106) has joined #techrights [21:48] *swaggboi has quit (Quit: C-x C-c) [21:49] *gde33 (~gde333@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights ● Jan 02 [22:04] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [22:05] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [22:11] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [22:21] Ariadne schestowitz: rDNS has been fixed, email should work fine now. you may have to update any SPF records to reflect the IP change though [22:43] MinceR (cat) (audio:music) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/20/0fe9ab7a845ebfa1.mp4 [22:54] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20071818 [22:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4762712) ● Jan 02 [23:09] schestowitz Ariadne: thanks! [23:33] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [23:34] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [23:41] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [23:43] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [23:47] schestowitz Ariadne: can you PM me bank details so we can pay you?