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● Apr 02
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	when i left sirius we could barely take holiday
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	time off work
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	understaffed
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	or pretending to
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe not money to pay subs
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	so the bosses pretended to be techs
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	but did not do anything
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	I covered it
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	the company can file its insolvency forms any day now
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	and pension providers are too slow to hold it accountable
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR]	so that's a scandal on top of a scandal
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR]	"you f*ing rascal"
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR]	"Microsoft Is Shutting Down Its Metaverse Unit Amidst Broader Layoffs</a></h5><blockquote><p>Microsoft is shutting down its metaverse unit comprising 100 employees amidst broader layoffs. Microsoft has internallyannounceddisbanding its Industrial Metaverse Core group, a division comprising around 100 employees focused on bringing the metaverse to industrial environments through software."
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2023/03/30/microsoft-is-shutting-down-its-metaverse-unit-amidst-broader-layoffs/
[00:01]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2023/03/30/microsoft-is-shutting-down-its-metaverse-unit-amidst-broader-layoffs/ )
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR]	"what do you do at Micorosft?"
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR]	"I do meta"
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR]	"cool,. what does that mean?"
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR]	"honestly, i don't klnow"
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR]	"but they say it's hot"
[00:02]	schestowitz[TR]	"so they hired me....[snorts cocaine]"
[00:02]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: azure crisis
[00:02]	schestowitz[TR]	security mayhem
[00:02]	schestowitz[TR]	and losses
[00:02]	schestowitz[TR]	clients leaving
[00:02]	schestowitz[TR]	no more bailouts from bailoput biden
[00:03]	schestowitz[TR]	too busy printing money for ammo 
[00:03]	schestowitz[TR]	soon for taiwan
[00:03]	schestowitz[TR]	because the us problem is china, OBVIOUSLY
[00:03]	TR News	STMicro STLINK-V3PWR debugging & programming probe supports power measurement https://www.cnx-software.com/2023/03/31/stmicro-stlink-v3pwr-debugging-programming-probe-supports-power-measurement/
[00:03]	TR Bot	 STMicro STLINK-V3PWR debugging & programming probe supports power measurement - CNX Software
[00:03]	schestowitz[TR]	US to go to war with china
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	to liberate the sweatshop workers
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	who make nike and staff
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	oppressed by their regimes
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	for US brand names
[00:04]	psydruid	Azure caught mono and now it's dying
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	*and stuff
[00:04]	psydruid	Yuhong Bai Bai
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	Azure was based ona  false premise
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	that people needed "clown computing';
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	and it was inevitable
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	and would always grow
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	even AAWS had layoffs last month
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	so what hope is there for wee azure?
[00:05]	psydruid	Death
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	they jacked up the prices _too_ much
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	also spent billions on "marketing"
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	"clown clown clown"
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	clown native
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	on-=prem clowwn
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	you need your own clown at home
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	on-prem entertainment
[00:06]	psydruid	I'm glad this happened, though
[00:06]	schestowitz[TR]	hard drive + tcp/ip stack = clown
[00:06]	schestowitz[TR]	and at the same time "IoT"
[00:06]	psydruid	A lot of on-premises vista went to the clown
[00:06]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah
[00:06]	psydruid	And now the clown is moribund
[00:06]	schestowitz[TR]	fucking mayham :/
[00:06]	schestowitz[TR]	my parents are both ill atm
[00:06]	psydruid	so vista is going to die
[00:06]	schestowitz[TR]	not even sure what they caught
[00:07]	schestowitz[TR]	last time I was seriously ill was 2005
[00:07]	schestowitz[TR]	and it was for less than a day
[00:07]	schestowitz[TR]	some virus I caught in the hotel
[00:07]	schestowitz[TR]	(when I had first met and spoke to Theresa  May)
[00:07]	TR News	OCD Is a Serious Illness, And It's More Common Than You Think https://www.sciencealert.com/ocd-is-a-serious-illness-and-its-more-common-than-you-think
[00:07]	TR Bot	Is a Serious Illness, And It's More Common Than You Think : ScienceAlert
[00:08]	psydruid	Covid has been a total disaster for my family except for my father
[00:08]	AdmFubar	more like food poisoning 
[00:08]	schestowitz[TR]	https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/03/31/the-new-normal-in-2023/
[00:08]	TR Bot	Blog Archive How 2023 (When They Tell Us Pandemic is Over) Compares to 1999-2018 Death Rates
[00:08]	schestowitz[TR]	AdmFubar: yes
[00:08]	schestowitz[TR]	but that does not last long
[00:08]	schestowitz[TR]	my mom had that for a week already
[00:09]	TR News	"HEY HI" in headline? INSTANT skip. Marketing is NOT news.
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[00:10]	AdmFubar	https://www.darkreading.com/risk/stop-blaming-the-end-user-for-security-risk
[00:10]	TR Bot	 Stop Blaming the End User for Security Risk
[00:10]	schestowitz[TR]	AdmFubar: JS only
[00:10]	schestowitz[TR]	AdmFubar: microsoft operandi:
[00:10]	schestowitz[TR]	1) blame nation
[00:10]	schestowitz[TR]	2) blame the attacker
[00:10]	schestowitz[TR]	3) blame the sys admin
[00:10]	schestowitz[TR]	4) blame the user
[00:10]	schestowitz[TR]	5) but never patch the bug
[00:13]	TR News	EU May Need To Reintroduce Tariffs On Ukrainian Grain, PMs Say https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-eu-grain-tariffs/32343843.html
[00:13]	TR Bot	 EU May Need To Reintroduce Tariffs On Ukrainian Grain, PMs Say
[00:16]	TR News	Hong Kong police ask for billions to fund digital network linked to bodycams https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/bodycams-digital-network-03312023143148.html
[00:16]	TR Bot	 Hong Kong police ask for billions to fund digital network linked to bodycams Radio Free Asia
[00:16]	TR News	North Korean hacker group poses as journalists and experts to steal intel https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/apt43-03312023164851.html
[00:16]	TR Bot	 North Korean hacker group poses as journalists and experts to steal intel Radio Free Asia
[00:20]	TR News	"Over 11 days the researchers at Marttila & Kiley Inc. asked 1,001 US citizens a series of survey questions." https://www.alexmurrell.co.uk/articles/the-age-of-average
[00:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[00:20]	TR Bot	 The age of average Alex Murrell
[00:20]	TR News	Don't drown https://www.oliverburkeman.com/river
[00:20]	TR Bot	 Treat your to-read pile like a river | Oliver Burkeman
[00:21]	TR News	"It's amusing to reflect that at an earlier stage in the history of the web, information overload was widely held to be a temporary issue." https://www.oliverburkeman.com/river
[00:22]	TR News	Incompetent but Nice - Jacob Kaplan-Moss https://jacobian.org/2023/mar/28/incompetent-but-nice/ Source: Jacob Kaplan Moss | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//jacobian.org/2023/mar/28/incompetent-but-nice/
[00:22]	TR Bot	 Incompetent but Nice - Jacob Kaplan-Moss
[00:23]	TR News	Make your own Optionals https://mccue.dev/pages/3-28-23-custom-optional Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//mccue.dev/pages/3-28-23-custom-optional
[00:23]	TR Bot	 Make your own Optionals
[00:23]	TR News	The Ambiguous Zone - Ben Northrop https://www.bennorthrop.com/Essays/2023/the-ambiguous-zone.php Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.bennorthrop.com/Essays/2023/the-ambiguous-zone.php
[00:23]	TR Bot	 The Ambiguous Zone - Ben Northrop
[00:24]	TR News	"I hated writing in high school. It wasnt objective like my favorite subjects, math and science. It also didnt help that we had to write about old, hard-to-understand literature like Shakespeare. But my perspective on writing changed once I started working full-time as a software engineer." https://www.developing.dev/p/why-engineers-need-to-write
[00:24]	TR Bot	 Why Engineers Need To Write - by Ryan Peterman
[00:24]	TR News	The Definition of Senior: A Look at the expectations for Software Engineers https://loige.co/the-senior-dev/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//loige.co/the-senior-dev/
[00:24]	TR Bot	 The Definition of Senior: A Look at the expectations for Software Engineers
[00:25]	TR News	The Twitter API is now effectively unmaintained | snarfed.org https://snarfed.org/the-twitter-api-is-now-effectively-unmaintained | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//snarfed.org/the-twitter-api-is-now-effectively-unmaintained
[00:25]	TR Bot	Twitter API is now effectively unmaintained | snarfed.org
[00:26]	TR News	Making Python 100x faster with less than 100 lines of Rust https://ohadravid.github.io/posts/2023-03-rusty-python/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ohadravid.github.io/posts/2023-03-rusty-python/
[00:26]	TR Bot	 Making Python 100x faster with less than 100 lines of Rust
[00:28]	TR News	"Authorities are hunting down a [cr]acker who has threatened to release the personal data of 55 million Thais if the government agency allegedly involved in the leakage of information fails to meet a ransom demand by April 5." https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2540650/agencies-hunt-for-hacker
[00:28]	TR Bot	 Agencies hunt for hacker
[00:29]	TR News	FDA requires medical devices be secured against cyberattacks | CNN Business https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/29/tech/fda-medical-devices-secured-cyberattacks/index.html Source: CNN | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//edition.cnn.com/2023/03/29/tech/fda-medical-devices-secured-cyberattacks/index.html
[00:29]	TR Bot	 FDA requires medical devices be secured against cyberattacks | CNN Business
[00:29]	TR News	"Fake extortionists are piggybacking on data breaches and ransomware incidents, threatening U.S. companies with publishing or selling allegedly stolen data unless they get paid." https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/fake-ransomware-gang-targets-us-orgs-with-empty-data-leak-threats/
[00:29]	TR Bot	 Fake ransomware gang targets U.S. orgs with empty data leak threats
[00:30]	TR News	"six years of calls for more transparency in breach notifications. Sadly, the situation has gotten worse in the past year. Not only do entities fail to admit they suffered a ransomware attack, but they fail to inform patients if the patients protected health information was leaked or is freely available on the internet." https://www.databreaches.net/todays-dont-say-ransomware-award-goes-to/
[00:30]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.databreaches.net/todays-dont-say-ransomware-award-goes-to/ )
[00:37]	TR News	 (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[00:37]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security Leftovers
[00:38]	TR News	 (NEW): Software: Alchemy, EazyLoader, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/Software_Alchemy_EazyLoader_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/Software_Alchemy_EazyLoader_and_More.gmi 
[00:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Software: Alchemy, EazyLoader, and More
[00:38]	TR News	 (NEW): Games: DOOM, Epic Linux Gaming Predictions, and ScummVM http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/Games_DOOM_Epic_Linux_Gaming_Predictions_and_ScummVM.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/Games_DOOM_Epic_Linux_Gaming_Predictions_and_ScummVM.gmi 
[00:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Games: DOOM, Epic Linux Gaming Predictions, and ScummVM
[00:47]	TR News	 (NEW): Bloomberg Launches FOSS Fund to Support Free and Open Source Projects http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/Bloomberg_Launches_FOSS_Fund_to_Support_Free_and_Open_Source_Pr.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/Bloomberg_Launches_FOSS_Fund_to_Support_Free_and_Open_Source_Pr.gmi 
[00:47]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Bloomberg Launches FOSS Fund to Support Free and Open Source Projects
[00:47]	TR News	 (NEW): Google says Microsoft cloud practices are anti-competitive http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/Google_says_Microsoft_cloud_practices_are_anti_competitive.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/Google_says_Microsoft_cloud_practices_are_anti_competitive.gmi 
[00:47]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Google says Microsoft cloud practices are anti-competitive
[00:47]	TR News	 (NEW): Red Hat Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/Red_Hat_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/Red_Hat_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[00:47]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Red Hat Leftovers
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[01:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[01:23]	TR News	Links 01/04/2023: Bloomberg Places Stake in Free Software, Microsoft Banned and Slammed for Antitrust Abuses | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/04/01/bloomberg-places-stake-in-freesw/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/04/01/bloomberg-places-stake-in-freesw/
[01:23]	TR Bot	 Links 01/04/2023: Bloomberg Places Stake in Free Software, Microsoft Banned and Slammed for Antitrust Abuses | Techrights
[01:23]	TR News	 (NEW): Italy Blocks Microsoft's Chaffbot/Vapourware/Plagiarist Spying Machine http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Italy_Blocks_Microsoft_s_Chaffbot_Vapourware_Plagiarist_Spying_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Italy_Blocks_Microsoft_s_Chaffbot_Vapourware_Plagiarist_Spying_.gmi 
[01:23]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Italy Blocks Microsoft's Chaffbot/Vapourware/Plagiarist Spying Machine
[01:23]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Programming_Leftovers.gmi 
[01:23]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
[01:30]	TR News	Almost 2.4k live capsules now, 30 more to go gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
[01:32]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D876.jpg
[01:32]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D549.jpg
[01:33]	TR News	"I did not realise until very recently that jq, the command line utility for working with JSON files, is a fully fledged programming language. Like AWK, script files can be passed in with the -f flag in addition to the one-lines that are passed in as string args." gemini://gemini.rlamacraft.uk/techGuides/twoNeatFeaturesOfJq.gmi
[01:33]	TR News	"/bin//sh is typically used for not so legal purposes. /bin//sh unlike the normal form /bin/sh fits neatly into a 64-bit box, and one may not want any NUL characters in that box...because reasons." gemini://thrig.me/blog/2023/04/02/wacky-unix-paths.gmi
[01:53]	TR News	Microsoft Layoffs in the Buzzwords Department | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/04/01/buzzwords-no-more/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/04/01/buzzwords-no-more/
[01:53]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Layoffs in the Buzzwords Department | Techrights
[01:57]	TR News	 (NEW): Graphics in GNOME and KDE Itinerary Report http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Graphics_in_GNOME_and_KDE_Itinerary_Report.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Graphics_in_GNOME_and_KDE_Itinerary_Report.gmi 
[01:57]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Graphics in GNOME and KDE Itinerary Report
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● Apr 02
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[02:13]	t0talist	live with GNUsystemd... which was hitting oom and zram-swapping with a single browser tab regularly
[02:14]	t0talist	some debian systemd installation
[02:14]	t0talist	anyway, i decided, hey, why not, give xinit/i3-wm a try; apt-get purge various junk... reboot ...nice
[02:14]	t0talist	then, first surprise: $ xinit fails over permissions errors
[02:15]	t0talist	ok, next one chmod g+s /usr/bin/Xorg /user/bin/xinit ... chgrp video ... nothing helped...  this
[02:15]	t0talist	allright, apt-get install lightdm again... this could launch a session at least... reboot
[02:16]	t0talist	and now comes the real systemd fun: "Start job is running for hold until boot process finishes up" ... and no way to drop to a rescue shell (with or without passowrd)
[02:17]	t0talist	pressing escape, well, this swaps the screen to some greyish progress bar, pressing escape again, back to the tty showing systemd booted my system into an uninterruptible while(1) loop
[02:17]	t0talist	the best operating system and init ever: dropping to while(1) which doesn't at least permit to enter any password
[02:18]	t0talist	it's apt-get install lightdm which caused this... not an unusual task, just in case i enjoyed "freedom", of choice in this case, with "free software"
[02:18]	t0talist	to remove or re-install any "free software" if i wished to
[02:18]	t0talist	Gnome/systemd, are wrecked beyond repair
[02:18]	t0talist	and with it debian/canoncial
[02:19]	t0talist	seems, although my self-made GTK3-profile (removed systemd/dbus), wasn't that bad after all; i am not willing to maintain it
[02:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[02:20]	t0talist	it's just too much clutter, and it requires hours and days, to compile all this junk
[02:20]	t0talist	got that, an apt-get purge lightdm, and re-install apt-get install lightdm, this wrecked the whole system, which requires a re-install due to this
[02:21]	t0talist	with systemd i couldn't at least drop to a /bin/login anylonger
[02:21]	t0talist	just insane
[02:21]	t0talist	besides, it's nice Xorg/xinit are restricted, to prevent access to various /dev/ nodes
[02:22]	t0talist	however, if I myself, as the user of this system, decided it's OK for them to do it... why can't this be administered correctly?
[02:23]	t0talist	i mean, little while ago, i had to patch both Kernel and Xorg... due to the systemd clutter introducing changes
[02:23]	t0talist	if Gnome wanted to wreck their system, who cares? yet wrecking the non-gnome installations, that's a whole other issue
[02:25]	t0talist	anyway, this was the idea, i won't care about a non-systemd/non-dbus GTK anymore, and use some debian instead if necessary, if there's some tasks i couldn't do at framebuffer terminal
[02:28]	t0talist	"a start job is running for Hold" no limit... btw. it's the re-installed lightdm which doesn't launch, it's not at least some crucial daemon which could have prevented to offer /bin/login at a tty
[02:28]	schestowitz[TR]	gentoo?
[02:28]	t0talist	no, Debian/systemd
[02:28]	schestowitz[TR]	ah
[02:29]	schestowitz[TR]	debian had a bsd deriv at one point
[02:29]	t0talist	my gentoo profile for GTK3(systemd/dbus wiped 100%_, this worked
[02:29]	schestowitz[TR]	i think now it has a hurd version
[02:29]	t0talist	however, it's not specific to debian, it is systemd in particular, which is wrecked
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[02:29]	t0talist	even if you don't appreciate the idea of systemd, at least it had to work
[02:30]	t0talist	which, as shown, doesn't simply be doing this: apt-get purge lightdm; apt-get install lightdm ... 
[02:30]	t0talist	and the problem is, systemd is blocking the init-procedure, because of a non-critical task which doesn't launch (lightdm)
[02:30]	t0talist	that's just, silly, by design
[02:31]	t0talist	and the system doesn't have GRUB either, it's uboot-loader launched, so you can't intercept at the boot-loader stage, to do whatever magic there
[02:32]	t0talist	even when, why would systemd not at least permit to drop to /bin/login? while(1)... that's the best so far an init system came up with
[02:32]	TR News	Geminispace: Still Growing, Still Community-Controlled | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/04/01/gemini-capsules-april-2023/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/04/01/gemini-capsules-april-2023/
[02:32]	TR Bot	 Geminispace: Still Growing, Still Community-Controlled | Techrights
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[02:33]	TR News	Two weeks passed. Still no LibrePlanet talks. They probably try to release everything at once, i.e. neutrally. https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/
[02:33]	TR Bot	 libreplanet's profile GNU MediaGoblin
[02:34]	t0talist	besides, it wouldn't be that annoying, if systemd had not broken what worked without it: the init procedure itself
[02:34]	t0talist	and there's no administrative security concern either, because systemd may only have allowed to offer /bin/login, which it does otherwise with or without any lightdm (or similar)
[02:35]	t0talist	it's just a secondary symptom, a non-critical init-task, lightdm, which fails to launch for whatever reason ( i don't care ), this is blocking the _entire_ init
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[02:36]	t0talist	obviously, there hasn't been some bare minimum acceptence testing either, with systemd and the administrative guideline, a non-critical task blocking the _entire_ init process
[02:36]	t0talist	and, i wouldn't want to know, how much money was dumped into this nonsense
[02:37]	TR News	What Are the Bots Doing to Art? https://reason.com/2023/04/01/what-are-the-bots-doing-to-art/
[02:37]	TR Bot	 What Is A.I. Doing to Art?
[02:37]	TR News	Pluralistic: Flickr to copyleft trolls: drop dead (01 Apr 2023) https://pluralistic.net/2023/04/01/pixsynnussija/
[02:37]	TR Bot	 Pluralistic: Flickr to copyleft trolls: drop dead (01 Apr 2023) Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
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[02:37]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, April 01, 2023
[02:38]	t0talist	even worse, the whole GTK3 locked into systemd (by dbus), even when systemd init was removed, it requires notable patching and hacking, to remove dbus too
[02:38]	TR News	How to Install Spotify on Manjaro Linux https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-spotify-on-manjaro-linux/
[02:38]	TR Bot	to Install Spotify on Manjaro Linux - LinuxCapable
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[02:39]	t0talist	and of cause, then, most "desktop environments" are gone nowadays, except openbox iirc, or some i3 with xinit (which to was broken due to perission problems)
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[02:41]	t0talist	it's just i moved to framebuffer-console already, knowing with GTK4 life will suck endlessly, i won't maintain anything of this
[02:41]	t0talist	and i am working towards removing GNU toolchain too, if i can, there's some blockers remaining
[02:41]	TR News	Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2023-04-01.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2023-04-01.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
[02:42]	t0talist	leaving me with a linux-2.2 or linux-2.4 type kernel at best, 32bit... it's worth it, long-term, given where GNU and Mapple/llvm are heading
[02:43]	t0talist	python, that's a m$ employee already, systemd is, and whoever is behind gentoo... i don't care anymore
[02:44]	t0talist	it won't take much longer, it's all wrecked beyond repair, finally, once question marks are raised over their toolchains and system-integration
[02:44]	t0talist	among *bsd, they moved onto Mapple llvm/clang... enjoy, i won't
[02:45]	TR News	"March has been unbelievably busy in my real life. We are moving into a smaller, cheaper house next month in preparation for my wife to attend graduate school, and we've spent the last few weeks packing like madmen to ready our current house for showings. [...] much less specifically devote to Gemini." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2023/202303/20230331-end-of-march-status-update.gmi
[02:46]	TR News	Hello, April gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/nm03/2023/APR2023/entry_1 "I inhaled some of that early Summer air today, and it was fantastic."
[02:46]	t0talist	the whole browser-www-crap, this can't be supported reasonably anylonger either... not with netsurf at least, and it's not desirable either, to implement some malware-execution-environment, just for them, Mapple/Google/Wintel
[02:46]	t0talist	to inject their wasm.js crap
[02:46]	t0talist	no thanks
[02:47]	t0talist	it's a knee-jerk for THEM too, because they couldn't abandon it anymore, what they did
[02:47]	TR News	How to Install Deepin on Manjaro Linux https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-deepin-on-manjaro-linux/
[02:47]	TR Bot	to Install Deepin on Manjaro Linux - LinuxCapable
[02:47]	t0talist	even if they wanted to
[02:47]	TR News	How to Install Snap on Manjaro Linux https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-snap-on-manjaro-linux/
[02:47]	TR Bot	to Install Snap on Manjaro Linux - LinuxCapable
[02:47]	TR News	How to Install Liquorix Kernel on Linux Mint 21/20 https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-liquorix-kernel-on-linux-mint/
[02:47]	t0talist	it's funny how, techrights here floods a news-ticker, with a dozen different distro brandings, for the same junk all day
[02:47]	TR Bot	to Install Liquorix Kernel on Linux Mint 21/20 - LinuxCapable
[02:48]	TR News	How to Install Scrot on Linux Mint 21/20 https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-scrot-on-linux-mint/
[02:48]	TR Bot	to Install Scrot on Linux Mint 21/20 - LinuxCapable
[02:48]		t0talist techrights-ipfs-bot techrights-news Techrights-sec Techrights-sec2 techrights[sec] techrightsalpine4 TechrightsBot-tr techuser tessier 
[02:48]	schestowitz[TR]	t0talist: flood?
[02:48]	schestowitz[TR]	it is at least on-topic
[02:49]	t0talist	swapping dress every 5 minutes, to re-appeal the malware which it is
[02:49]	t0talist	it's not at least "Linux"
[02:49]	schestowitz[TR]	you use linux
[02:49]	t0talist	for a linux, you had to fork at some 2.x kernel version
[02:49]	t0talist	any later... is toxic, for several reasons
[02:49]	t0talist	and with 2.x microsoft wintel had begun, to seize control over it
[02:50]	t0talist	linux itself, couldn't abandon most of what they had integrated anymore either
[02:50]		t0talist techrights-ipfs-bot techrights-news Techrights-sec Techrights-sec2 techrights[sec] techrightsalpine4 TechrightsBot-tr techuser tessier 
[02:50]	t0talist	most of the code bloat, is used to support proprietary malice, even without firmware loaded
[02:50]	schestowitz[TR]	t0talist: want to do some development?
[02:50]	t0talist	sure i do
[02:50]	schestowitz[TR]	what langs aee you    good at?
[02:51]		techrights-ipfs-bot techrights-news Techrights-sec Techrights-sec2 techrights[sec] techrightsalpine4 TechrightsBot-tr techuser tessier 
[02:51]		techrights-ipfs-bot techrights-news Techrights-sec Techrights-sec2 techrights[sec] techrightsalpine4 TechrightsBot-tr techuser 
[02:51]		techrights-ipfs-bot techrights-news Techrights-sec Techrights-sec2 techrights[sec] techrightsalpine4 TechrightsBot-tr 
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe you want to improve techrights-news
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	uses bash, perl, python
[02:51]	t0talist	tomorrow i'll hack a little inside bootloader parts, assembly and C
[02:52]	t0talist	the tcc-compiled kernel, does bootload and execute already, but it crashed still, due to some memory-layout issue, related to GNU-linker specifics
[02:52]	schestowitz[TR]	working on sort.sh today
[02:52]	schestowitz[TR]	simpler than kernel stuff
[02:52]	schestowitz[TR]	with pointers and all
[02:52]	schestowitz[TR]	i've not done C in years
[02:52]	t0talist	the real challenge will be rewriting some ASM parts for bootloader, to avoid GNU binutils
[02:53]	t0talist	before this, i need to confirm, a tcc-compiled kernel does boot
[02:53]	schestowitz[TR]	ok
[02:53]	t0talist	without crashing
[02:53]	schestowitz[TR]	into windows
[02:53]	schestowitz[TR]	like hans the crow
[02:53]	t0talist	it just sucks, systemd wrecked a trash-bin installation 
[02:54]	t0talist	most of this, is as awful as once win95 was
[02:54]	t0talist	or worse
[02:54]	t0talist	and it's labeled "free software" nowadays, or linux
[02:54]	TR News	Microsofters try to make it all about Microsoft https://www.neowin.net/news/wine-85-released-with-winrt-dark-theme-support/
[02:54]	TR Bot	 Wine 8.5 released with WinRT dark theme support - Neowin
[02:55]	t0talist	schestowitz[TR]: i stumbled upon some interesting linux-2.2 kernel fork recently, it's actively developed even
[02:56]	t0talist	to my surprise; they chose a linux-2.0 systemcall ABI
[02:56]	t0talist	to serve a GNU userspace
[02:56]	TR News	Linux Lite 6.4 released with WebP support, runs on just 768 MB RAM https://www.neowin.net/news/linux-lite-64-released-with-webp-support-runs-on-just-768-mb-ram/
[02:56]	TR Bot	 Linux Lite 6.4 released with WebP support, runs on just 768 MB RAM - Neowin
[02:57]	t0talist	it's just, hardware-support, for practical reasons, i won't roll-back that far
[02:58]	t0talist	next one, Linux Lite... with 768MB RAM, it couldn't at least git-clone it's own kernel source without hitting oom-killer
[02:58]	t0talist	nor compile it's own toolchain, that's why, such news are awkward, mis-leading, and fraudulent in a way
[02:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[02:59]	t0talist	and who is sponsoring all this, with money?
[02:59]	t0talist	because, rather important projects, are abandoned, for decades
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[03:00]	TR News	My Complaint Against GEICO is on the Docket for the Illinois Department of Insurance https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2023/04/01/my-complaint-against-geico-is-on-the-docket-for-the-illinois-department-of-insurance/
[03:00]	TR Bot	 My Complaint Against GEICO is on the Docket for the Illinois Department of Insurance | BaronHK's Rants
[03:01]	TR News	AppImage Installer first download working version https://bkhome.org/news/202304/appimage-installer-first-download-working-version.html
[03:01]	TR Bot	 AppImage Installer first download working version
[03:01]	TR News	 (UPDATED): PCLinusOS Updates Thunderbird Email Client and Browsers (UPDATED) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/03/31/PCLinusOS_Updates_Thunderbird_Email_Client_and_Browsers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/03/31/PCLinusOS_Updates_Thunderbird_Email_Client_and_Browsers.gmi 
[03:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines PCLinusOS Updates Thunderbird Email Client and Browsers (UPDATED)
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[03:02]	schestowitz[TR]	XRevan86: net issues?
[03:02]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Just server reboot.
[03:03]	XRevan86	And maybe Internet issues too, but I'm not sure.
[03:03]	IPFS	 IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated.      
[03:03]	TR News	TikTok = disinformation https://www.axios.com/2023/04/01/tiktok-warn-act-layoffs-tech-experts-true-false
[03:03]	TR Bot	 Experts debunk viral TikTok videos about WARN Act and major layoffs
[03:04]	XRevan86	But that's unrelated to IRC
[03:04]	IPFS	 New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
[03:04]	TR News	Why Is Finland the Happiest Country on Earth? The Answer Is Complicated. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/01/world/europe/finland-happiness-optimism.html
[03:04]	TR Bot	 Why Is Finland the Happiest Country on Earth? The Answer Is Complicated. - The New York Times
[03:06]	TR News	I blocked Hacker News and you can too https://www.akselmo.dev/2023/04/01/I-blocked-Hacker-News-and-you-can-too.html
[03:06]	TR Bot	 I blocked Hacker News and you can too | AksDev
[03:11]	t0talist	anyway, if i fail with linux-2.4, i could still try to play with some other linux-2.0 type kernel
[03:11]	t0talist	which then, required much efforts, to support some relevant hardware... probably too much
[03:12]	t0talist	as soon as acpi/usb get involved to run any such kernel on real hardware...
[03:12]	TR News	GNU Guix: Reinstating an iconic error message https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2023/reinstating-an-iconic-error-message/
[03:12]	TR Bot	 Reinstating an iconic error message 2023 Blog GNUGuix
[03:13]	t0talist	you see, in the end... the same type of companies control it then
[03:13]	t0talist	because, you can't just hack a kernel, and expect some long-term stable hardware-support
[03:13]	TR News	Hubert Figuire: Niepce March 2023 updates https://www.figuiere.net/hub/wlog/niepce-march-2023-update/
[03:13]	TR Bot	 Niepce March 2023 updates - Hubert Figuire
[03:14]	TR News	Jussi Pakkanen: Got the Star Trek - The Motion Picture Director's Edition box set? You might wan to check your discs https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2023/04/got-star-trek-motion-picture-directors.html
[03:14]	TR Bot	 Nibble Stew: Got the Star Trek - The Motion Picture Director's Edition box set? You might wan to check your discs
[03:14]	TR News	 (NEW): GNUnet 0.19.4 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/GNUnet_0_19_4.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/GNUnet_0_19_4.gmi 
[03:14]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GNUnet 0.19.4
[03:15]	t0talist	with a tcc-compiled linux-2.x kernel that doesn't crash, i could avoid alot of problems, and retain some essential hardware support at least
[03:16]	t0talist	and, it is possible; i couldn't identify yet, why the kernel crashes, after several days and nights of diffing and bisecting this
[03:17]	TR News	Failing Disks http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/2023-04-01-failing-disks.en.html
[03:17]	TR Bot	 ::[FSFLA]:: Failing Disks
[03:18]	t0talist	i think, the tccboot-loader loads kernel at a different address, which is compatible with what tcc-linker emits
[03:18]	t0talist	so, although my kernel does bootload and execute, some address-mappings/translations do not match, for interrupt-service-routines at some place
[03:19]	t0talist	and as soon as an interrupt triggers, it crashes or gets stuck...
[03:19]	TR News	Equinix retiring copper https://rubenerd.com/equinix-retiring-copper/
[03:19]	TR Bot	Equinix retiring copper
[03:19]	t0talist	for quick-testing, i'll hook into tccboot-loader, to confirm this theory... and i could live with it, writing/hacking a tiny custom boot-loader compatible with tcc-compiler/linker emitted kernel.bin
[03:20]	TR News	The ESS AudioDrive ES1868F for sound and IDE https://rubenerd.com/the-ess-audiodrive-es1868-for-sound-and-ide/
[03:20]	TR Bot	The ESS AudioDrive ES1868F for sound and IDE
[03:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[03:20]	t0talist	if this works, i too consider a notable section of a chain of trust re-established, which GNU/Linux lost two decades ago
[03:22]	TR News	Mike Hommey: Announcing git-cinnabar 0.6.0 https://glandium.org/blog/?p=4292
[03:22]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Announcing git-cinnabar 0.6.0
[03:22]	t0talist	on the software side, with such a tcc-compiled linux-2.x kernel and toolchain, dependencies against the supply chains from ibm/m$/mapple/google are absent or minimal then
[03:23]	TR News	Paul Wise: FLOSS Activities March 2023 http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log/2023/04/01/floss-activities/
[03:23]	TR Bot	 FLOSS Activities March 2023
[03:24]	TR News	Clown computing and HEY HI hype = waste of energy, more pollution https://siliconangle.com/2023/04/01/generative-ai-cloud-zombies-raising-alarm-global-climate-impact/
[03:24]	TR Bot	AI and cloud zombies: Raising the alarm about global climate impact - SiliconANGLE
[03:24]	TR News	Sparky news 2023/03 https://sparkylinux.org/sparky-news-2023-03/
[03:24]	TR Bot	 Sparky news 2023/03 SparkyLinux
[03:25]	TR News	How to Install Krita on Ubuntu/Linux https://trendoceans.com/install-krita-on-ubuntu-linux/
[03:25]	TR Bot	 How to Install Krita on Ubuntu/Linux - TREND OCEANS
[03:28]	TR News	 (NEW): $70 RISC-V Computer from Pine64 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/_70_RISC_V_Computer_from_Pine64.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/_70_RISC_V_Computer_from_Pine64.gmi 
[03:28]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines $70 RISC-V Computer from Pine64
[03:28]	schestowitz[TR]	t0talist: maybve for you? ^
[03:28]	schestowitz[TR]	risc-v
[03:28]	schestowitz[TR]	open ISA
[03:28]	schestowitz[TR]	european
[03:28]	schestowitz[TR]	can run various OSes
[03:28]	schestowitz[TR]	cheap
[03:30]	TR News	Hello world! Bruce Perens now on WordPress https://perens.com/2023/04/01/hello-world/
[03:30]	TR Bot	world! Bruce Perens
[03:31]	TR News	Junichi Uekawa: April. http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/diary/daily/2023-Apr-2.html.en#2023-Apr-2-07:49:17
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[03:33]	TR News	Debian Brasil: First 2023 translation workshop from the pt_BR team https://debianbrasil.org.br/blog/first-2023-translation-workshop-from-the-pt-BR-team/
[03:33]	TR Bot	 First 2023 translation workshop from the pt_BR team Debian Brasil
[03:33]	TR News	Russ Allbery: rra-c-util 10.4 https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2023-03/001.html
[03:34]	TR Bot	 Eagle's Path: rra-c-util 10.4 (2023-03-31)
[03:34]	TR News	Linux Lite 6.4 Released, Based on Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS https://www.omglinux.com/linux-lite-6-4-released/
[03:34]	TR Bot	 Linux Lite 6.4 Released, Based on Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS - OMG! Linux
[03:35]	TR News	Install and Use bottom on Ubuntu / Debian yet another process/system visualization https://unixcop.com/install-and-use-bottom-on-ubuntu-debian-yet-another-process-system-visualization/
[03:35]	TR Bot	 Install and Use bottom on Ubuntu / Debian - yet another process/system visualization - Unix / Linux the admins Tutorials
[03:36]	TR News	European Commissions Margrethe Vestager: Europe must de-risk, not de-couple, from China https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/european-commissions-margrethe-vestager-europe-must-de-risk-not-de-couple-from-china/
[03:36]	TR Bot	 European Commissions Margrethe Vestager: Europe must de-risk, not de-couple, from China - Atlantic Council
[03:36]	TR News	Ban private jets of rich people, instead https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/01/world/europe/paris-electrict-scooter-referendum.html
[03:36]	TR Bot	 Green Savior or Deadly Menace? Paris Votes on E-Scooter Ban - The New York Times
[03:37]	TR News	Linus Tech (Illiteracy) Tips, LTT, Buys Phoronix Media http://techrights.org/2023/03/31/linus-and-michael/
[03:37]	TR Bot	 Linus Tech (Illiteracy) Tips, LTT, Buys Phoronix Media | Techrights
[03:37]	TR News	Decided to Quit Debian and Use WSL Instead (Best of Both Worlds) http://techrights.org/2023/03/31/best-of-both-worlds/
[03:37]	TR Bot	 Decided to Quit Debian and Use WSL Instead (Best of Both Worlds) | Techrights
[03:37]	TR News	Microsoft Has Laid Off Lennart Poettering and Hired Elon Musk http://techrights.org/2023/03/31/microsoft-fires-lennart-poettering/
[03:37]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Has Laid Off Lennart Poettering and Hired Elon Musk | Techrights
[03:39]	TR News	Repurposing Hotel Keycards https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/recycling-hotel-keycards/
[03:39]	TR Bot	 Repurposing Hotel Keycards Buttondown
[03:40]	TR News	How to Properly Use Reflection in Java http://knowledgebasement.com/how-to-properly-use-reflection-in-java/
[03:40]	TR Bot	 How to Properly Use Reflection in Java |
[03:41]	TR News	How to Host A Website for Free at Your Home Linux System https://www.tecmint.com/host-website-locally/
[03:41]	TR Bot	 How to Host A Website On Your Home Linux System for Free
[03:42]	TR News	10 Tweaks to Supercharge Gedit as Code Editor https://itsfoss.com/gedit-tweaks/
[03:42]	TR Bot	 10 Tweaks to Supercharge Gedit as Code Editor
[03:46]	TR News	 (NEW): Debian: Sparky Report, git-cinnabar 0.6.0, rra-c-util 10.4, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Debian_Sparky_Report_git_cinnabar_0_6_0_rra_c_util_10_4_and_Mor.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Debian_Sparky_Report_git_cinnabar_0_6_0_rra_c_util_10_4_and_Mor.gmi 
[03:46]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Debian: Sparky Report, git-cinnabar 0.6.0, rra-c-util 10.4, and More
[03:46]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/today_s_howtos.gmi 
[03:46]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[03:49]	TR News	Prank: HOLLYWOOD, CA. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE https://www.davidrevoy.com/article961/hollywood-ca-for-immediate-release
[03:49]	TR Bot	 HOLLYWOOD, CA. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - David Revoy
[03:49]	TR News	18 Years Later https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/04/01/old-photos-and-memories/
[03:49]	TR Bot	Blog Archive 18 Years Later
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[03:59]	yuhong	http://techrights.org/2020/11/07/free-privacy-lunch/
[03:59]	TR Bot	 Lets Encrypt is Garbage, Albeit Its Disguised as Free Privacy | Techrights
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[03:59]	yuhong	Actually in many browsers you can block CAs and certificates.
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[04:00]	t0talist	schestowitz[TR]: good question
[04:00]	t0talist	currently, RISC-V hasn't got any clean bootstrapping path
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[04:01]	TR Bot	 Photo-hungry tourists have little conscience or conservation awareness in the hunt for the perfect snap
[04:01]	t0talist	schestowitz[TR]: furthermore, the relevant (linux) kernel-versions for RISC-V can't be compiled/linked/assembled with tcc-toolchain
[04:02]	t0talist	as a consequence, RISC-V isn't desirable, if the "free software" stack for it doesn't pass minimum acceptance criteria
[04:02]	t0talist	this isn't specific to RISC-V, regardless of it's advantages over other ISAs
[04:03]	t0talist	the whole infrastructure/supply-chains/system-integration for it, isn't ready
[04:03]	TR News	"Health professionals are concerned about a dip in vaccination rates ahead of winter, predicting the next flu season will be as bad, or worse than before the pandemic." https://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellness/doctors-sound-alarm-about-flu-season-20230402-p5cxcc.html
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[04:03]	t0talist	schestowitz[TR]: and the parts which are ready, built upon compromised toolchains/kernels/etc
[04:03]	yuhong	To be honest, the entire idea of CAs dates back to the 1990s.
[04:03]	MinceR	it's a bad idea
[04:04]	MinceR	PKI is very vulnerable, especially to states
[04:04]	t0talist	bootstrappable.org, a rather important GNU project, doesn't bother with any other system than x86 yet, for obvious reasons
[04:04]	schestowitz[TR]	why?
[04:05]	schestowitz[TR]	yuhong: straw man
[04:05]	schestowitz[TR]	nobody talked about the age
[04:05]	schestowitz[TR]	enjoy your xi-controlled or putin-controlled or trumo-controlled CA
[04:06]	mjg59_	What are your concerns about CAs that aren't mitigated via CT?
[04:06]	MinceR	or a set of CAs controlled by various entities, each of which can sign a certificate for any domain
[04:07]		*MinceR scans mjg59_ in a CT machine
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[04:07]	schestowitz[TR]	MinceR: if you do it often enough, there will be tumours
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[04:08]	schestowitz[TR]	computer tomboy
[04:08]	yuhong	MinceR: I wonder what do you think of CT BTW.
[04:08]	yuhong	https://certificate.transparency.dev/
[04:08]	TR Bot	 Certificate Transparency : Certificate Transparency
[04:08]	mjg59_	Given browsers will reject certs that haven't been validated via CT, what's the threat model?
[04:09]	mjg59_	Someone issues an invalid cert, logs it, it gets immediately flagged and that CA gets distrusted?
[04:09]	mjg59_	Or doesn't log it, in which case it doesn't work?
[04:09]	TR News	National 'security' expert: REVOKE THE CERTIFICATE of these missiles, "block" GPS https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/high-activity-spotted-at-north-korea-nuclear-complex-after-kims-bomb-fuel-order-says-report
[04:10]	TR Bot	 High activity spotted at North Korea nuclear complex after Kim's bomb-fuel order, says report | The Straits Times
[04:10]	mjg59_	There are obvious reasons to worry about CAs being compelled to act against the interests of users, which is why a whole bunch of infrastructure has been built to prevent that sort of abuse
[04:11]	mjg59_	So, what's the actual concern?
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[04:13]	mjg59_	Does https://tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/297876977 work in here as well?
[04:14]	MinceR	schestowitz[TR]: i know
[04:14]	TR News	Read how mindfulness activities can play important role in improving mental health https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/themes/themes/health-a-wellbeing/23286-read-how-mindfulness-activities-can-play-important-role-in-improving-mental-health.html
[04:14]	MinceR	i'll have to look at this particular flavor of CT
[04:15]	mjg59_	Sorry, have you spent years complaining about CAs with no idea of what's happened in the past decade
[04:15]	mjg59_	This stuff isn't new
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[04:15]	MinceR	i've seen plenty of hype around PKI, most of which didn't really seem to deal with the root of the problem
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[04:16]	yuhong	MinceR: As a side note, do you like or hate spinning rust?
[04:16]	MinceR	i guess i don't mind it for archival/backup purposes
[04:16]	MinceR	as external drives
[04:16]	MinceR	i don't really want it in my computers, unless it's a file server
[04:16]	mjg59_	MinceR: The idea is that yes, you can't trust individuals (or individual entities), but you can enforce transparency that makes it easy to identify when anyone violates that trust
[04:16]	TR News	Pico Bricks Review: Great STEM Learning Platform https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pico-bricks-review-great-stem-learning-platform
[04:16]	TR Bot	 Pico Bricks Review: Great STEM Learning Platform | Tom's Hardware
[04:17]	MinceR	mjg59_: how quickly?
[04:17]	mjg59_	MinceR: Any attacker gets one shot at issuing malicious certificates for a short window of time, and then that CA loses trust forever
[04:17]	mjg59_	MinceR: Depends whether the site owner is monitoring the logs or not
[04:17]	t0talist	regardless of CAs, the TLS implementations are, weird, if you wanted to establish a local certificate store, of trusted certs, with libressl/openssl i couldn't find an easy solution, to store certs locally and label them trusted if present
[04:17]	TR News	Too much of tomshardware has become just sales/marketing in disguise. 20 years ago the site was very different.
[04:17]	t0talist	similar to ssh... yep, i trust this fingerprint, save it, done...
[04:18]	t0talist	the openssl-implementation itself, is weird, to say the least
[04:18]	t0talist	in comparison
[04:18]	mjg59_	Oh, sorry, I wasn't entirely accurate in my assertion that browsers check for CT validation - Firefox apparently still doesn't(!)
[04:18]	mjg59_	I'm genuinely surprised by that
[04:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[04:21]	mjg59_	Anyway hmm looks like TechrightsBot-tr can be DoSed pretty easily. Unfortunate.
[04:22]	TR News	X88Pro 13 8K TV box runs Android 13 on Rockchip RK3528 SoC https://www.cnx-software.com/2023/04/01/x88pro-13-8k-tv-box-android-13-rockchip-rk3528-soc/
[04:22]	TR Bot	 X88Pro 13 8K TV box runs Android 13 on Rockchip RK3528 SoC - CNX Software
[04:23]	TR News	Using Linux grep and Windows findstr to Manipulate Files, (Fri, Mar 31st) https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/29696
[04:24]	TR Bot	 InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center
[04:24]	t0talist	a local trusted certificate store, would be an additional attack vector, putting too much trust into users though... so it's probably better the way it is
[04:24]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_: quit trolling and changing rhe subject
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[04:24]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu Selection Simplified: Finding Your Ideal Linux Flavor
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[04:24]	TR Bot	 Streamlining Your Tmux Workflow by Synchronizing Panes
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[04:24]	TR Bot	 Effortlessly Sending Commands to Multiple Tmux Panes
[04:25]	t0talist	an even worse problem, may arise, to navigate "the web" without any support for recent TLS versions; most sites nowadays insist on TLS-session established, even when i didn't want to
[04:25]	schestowitz[TR]	MinceR: you don't know what DoS means
[04:25]	MinceR	wrong nick
[04:25]	schestowitz[TR]	oops
[04:25]	schestowitz[TR]	sorry
[04:26]	TR News	How to Use RPM Command in Linux https://linuxhint.com/use-rpm-command-linux/
[04:26]	TR Bot	 How to Use RPM Command in Linux
[04:26]	t0talist	meaning, you do need a portable implementation of TLS, such as bearssl.org, neat little project i must admit
[04:26]	TR News	Is There a goto Statement in Bash https://linuxhint.com/goto-statement-bash/
[04:26]	TR Bot	 Is There a goto Statement in Bash
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[04:27]	TR Bot	 How Do I Configure sources.list on Debian 11
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[04:28]	TR Bot	 How to use binary logging in MySQL
[04:29]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: It can be provided with input that causes it to cease providing service, which is absolutely a DoS
[04:30]	TR News	Pakistan Posts Highest-Ever Inflation In March https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistan-record-inflation/32344940.html
[04:30]	TR Bot	 Pakistan Posts Highest-Ever Inflation In March
[04:31]	schestowitz[TR]	you could paste in your child porn URLs
[04:31]	schestowitz[TR]	and do a lot more dmage
[04:31]	schestowitz[TR]	and put the whole server at risk
[04:32]	TR News	Ship of Fools: The Race to Ban TikTok https://jaylittle.com/post/view/2023/4/ship-of-fools-the-race-to-ban-tiktok
[04:32]	TR Bot	 Jay Little - Software Obsessionist - Ship of Fools: The Race to Ban TikTok
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR]	there is a mitigation for attacks like these
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR]	which we used until last year or 2021
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR]	you were muted
[04:32]	MinceR	lol
[04:33]	schestowitz[TR]	then you started troilling users
[04:33]	schestowitz[TR]	like direct messaging ryan
[04:33]	schestowitz[TR]	asking him about kiddie porn
[04:33]	schestowitz[TR]	"hey kid... "
[04:33]	TR News	MySQL Binary Logging https://linuxconcept.com/mysql-binary-logging/
[04:33]	TR Bot	 MySQL Binary Logging
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[04:34]	TR Bot	 How To Install FreeIPA on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS - idroot
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[04:34]	TR Bot	 How To Install Neovim on Rocky Linux 9 - idroot
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[04:34]	TR Bot	 How To Install Fail2ban on Fedora 37 - idroot
[04:34]	yuhong	Background: I was talking about "Google survelliance" which Shane was responsible not long ago.
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[04:34]	TR Bot	 How To Install Nomacs on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS - idroot
[04:35]	TR News	Not far from reality, not satire. These judges are corporate puppets. Some still work for the corporations they're meant to rule on. https://ffii.org/unified-patent-court-will-replace-its-judges-and-lawyers-with-ai-to-make-justice-finally-affordable-to-smes/
[04:35]	TR Bot	 Unified Patent Court will replace its judges and lawyers with AI to make justice finally affordable to SMEs | FFII
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[04:37]	TR Bot	 Arduino IDE Cant Find ESP8266WiFi.h: No such file or directory
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[04:37]	TR Bot	 What is String equals() in Java
[04:37]	TR News	Arrays.stream() Method in Java https://linuxhint.com/arrays-stream-method-in-java/
[04:37]	TR Bot	 Arrays.stream() Method in Java
[04:38]	schestowitz[TR]	yuhong: you're an idiotic chatbot knockofff
[04:38]	schestowitz[TR]	15+ years ago is not "not long ago"
[04:38]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/today_s_howtos.1.gmi 
[04:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[04:38]	yuhong	The only reason Google servers booted from spinning rust was there was no other reasonable choice in the 1990s.
[04:39]	yuhong	(and yes they were still doing it 10 years ago)
[04:40]	TR News	Chinas art factory painters turn from fakes to originals amid booming domestic market https://hongkongfp.com/2023/04/01/chinas-art-factory-painters-turn-from-fakes-to-originals-amid-booming-domestic-market/
[04:40]	TR Bot	 China's 'art factory' painters turn from fakes to originals amid booming domestic market - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP
[04:40]	MinceR	kinky
[04:40]	schestowitz[TR]	"them still doin' it"
[04:41]	schestowitz[TR]	soon there will be a little rust-putin
[04:42]	yuhong	MinceR: If Google was designed today there would be no way the servers would be booting from spinning rust, right?
[04:42]	TR News	"Hong Kong has long been renowned for its huge fiscal reserves and prudence in public spending. Ahead of the Covid-19 pandemic, in January 2020, the government had nearly HK$1.2 trillion in fiscal reserves, the equivalent of 22 months of public expenditure." https://hongkongfp.com/2023/04/01/explainer-why-hong-kong-is-constitutionally-obliged-to-balance-the-books/
[04:42]	TR Bot	 Explainer: Why Hong Kong is constitutionally obliged to balance the books - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP
[04:43]	MinceR	yuhong: why are you asking me?
[04:43]	MinceR	you can even netboot a server if you want to
[04:43]	psydruid	why does this chaffbot keep going over the same irrelevant things over and over?
[04:43]	MinceR	or from a flash card
[04:43]	TR News	April Fools Collection https://mwl.io/archives/22675
[04:43]	TR Bot	 April Fools Collection Michael W Lucas
[04:44]	TR News	Is that because more people quit looking for jobs? Because not many openings exist? You measure the wrong thing. https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/unemployment-in-mexico-reaches-historic-low/
[04:44]	TR Bot	 Unemployment in Mexico reaches historic low
[04:44]	yuhong	Of course, in 2000 NAND flash wasn't as good as it is now.
[04:44]	psydruid	with an unhealthy obsession with Google too
[04:45]	TR News	US citizens living abroad still must pay the IRS taxes. Is that fair? https://mexiconewsdaily.com/community/us-citizens-abroad-must-pay-irs-is-fair/
[04:45]	TR Bot	 US citizens living abroad still must pay the IRS taxes. Is that fair?
[04:45]	MinceR	they probably do pay for unhealthy obsessions with gulag at MICROS~1
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[04:46]	yuhong	I am of course talking about Shane here.
[04:46]	TR News	Capitalisms Definition is NOT Innocent https://neritam.wordpress.com/2023/04/01/capitalisms-definition-is-not-innocent/
[04:46]	TR Bot	 Capitalisms Definition is NOT Innocent neritam
[04:46]	psydruid	Gulag will easily outlive MICROS~1
[04:46]	MinceR	not necessarily
[04:46]	MinceR	we could all be fried by a gamma ray burst
[04:46]	psydruid	that's true
[04:47]	t0talist	they're all dead already; because they can't abandon the junk they vendor-locked against themselves
[04:47]	t0talist	they couldn't just say, meh, it's all doomed, let's play with the tiny-basic paper tape from evil BillG
[04:47]	TR News	"In this blog post, I explore who are the Twitter Blue subscribers. It is not celebrities, businesses or governments. It is our regular old Joe with fewer than a hundred followers" https://www.r-bloggers.com/2023/03/who-are-twitter-blue-users/
[04:47]	TR Bot	are Twitter Blue Users? | R-bloggers
[04:48]	t0talist	and the required hardware for at least this, isn't produced anymore either
[04:48]	psydruid	Gulag has the talent but has just chosen to be evil
[04:48]	t0talist	so, ibm ms mapple wintel computer, are all nuckling from the same clusterfcked supply chains, which will collapse
[04:48]	psydruid	MICROS~1 has no talent and can only do evil
[04:48]	schestowitz[TR]	don't be eVel
[04:49]	t0talist	they can't abandone the junk they introduced themselves, even if they wanted to, it must be maintained, for all eternity
[04:49]	TR News	Pets Reduce Allergy Risk For Kids: Just Don't Get a Hamster https://www.sciencealert.com/pets-reduce-allergy-risk-for-kids-just-dont-get-a-hamster
[04:49]	TR Bot	Reduce Allergy Risk For Kids: Just Don't Get a Hamster : ScienceAlert
[04:49]	t0talist	posix 32bit, may put an end to this, i hope
[04:49]	yuhong	My point is that "don't be evil" search engine was designed when most PCs booted from spinning rust.
[04:50]	t0talist	spinning rust?
[04:51]	yuhong	Exactly my point. There are now papers on SSD based search engines.
[04:51]	TR News	Java Syntax for print() and println() https://linuxhint.com/java-syntax-for-print-and-println/
[04:51]	TR Bot	 Java Syntax for print() and println()
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[04:52]	TR Bot	 How to Compare Two BigDecimals in Java
[04:52]	yuhong	Back when Shane had Google ads on this site most PCs still booted from spinning rust in fact.
[04:52]	MinceR	i'm still not quite sure how CT would protect against a state creating burner leaf CA-s and moving on to the next once one gets its certificates revoked by its parent CA
[04:53]	TR News	'A polarised debate': Paris to vote on banning self-service e-scooters https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230401-a-polarised-debate-paris-to-vote-on-banning-self-service-e-scooters
[04:53]	TR Bot	 'A polarised debate': Paris to vote on banning self-service e-scooters
[04:53]	psydruid	Gulag ads that nuked your Backdoors, that's so evil
[04:53]	mjg59_	MinceR: You don't get to just create a CA
[04:53]	mjg59_	It's an astonishingly tedious process
[04:53]	TR News	Disinformation in Twitter will only increase now. Leave. https://www.france24.com/en/technology/20230401-musk-to-go-ahead-with-new-controversial-paiement-based-verification-policy
[04:53]	TR Bot	 Musk defends paid verification for Twitter as blue tick ultimatum looms
[04:53]	mjg59_	Even by government standards
[04:54]	TR News	How to detect 'deepfakes' https://observers.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20230329-how-to-detect-deepfakes
[04:54]	TR Bot	 How to detect 'deepfakes' - Truth or Fake
[04:54]	MinceR	states have access to lots of money that they extract from their subjects
[04:54]	psydruid	"paiement"
[04:54]	mjg59_	It's not a financial thing
[04:54]	psydruid	someone needs to get a new dictionary
[04:54]	MinceR	and there's no practical limit to how many fraudulent certificates such a CA could issue in the time before it's found out and shut down
[04:55]	schestowitz[TR]	there is no qualify control
[04:55]	schestowitz[TR]	and has not been for ages
[04:55]	schestowitz[TR]	CAs number went down
[04:55]	schestowitz[TR]	still goes down
[04:55]	schestowitz[TR]	consolidation
[04:55]	MinceR	also, sounds like yuhong wants to sell a search engine to us
[04:55]	mjg59_	There literally is quality control!
[04:55]	MinceR	not sure why
[04:55]	schestowitz[TR]	mostly pentagon vounching for pentagon
[04:55]	mjg59_	There's more quality control than there's ever been!
[04:55]	schestowitz[TR]	adn  systems/browsers enforcing this hegemony
[04:56]	schestowitz[TR]	you can ls -la | wc -l the number of certs on the system
[04:56]	mjg59_	The baseline requirements CAs need to adhere to keep getting stricter!
[04:56]	schestowitz[TR]	and see them going down and down
[04:56]	psydruid	there is trust!
[04:56]	psydruid	and there is spinning rust!
[04:56]	MinceR	spinning trust
[04:56]	psydruid	we're all set now
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[04:56]	schestowitz[TR]	TRust languagfe
[04:56]	schestowitz[TR]	da fyucher!
[04:56]	schestowitz[TR]	anything else is transphobia
[04:56]	schestowitz[TR]	says gulagboy
[04:56]	MinceR	the x-ray sources and detectors are also spinning in a CT
[04:57]	yuhong	Part of the reason why I pay attention to https://search.marginalia.nu/ is the hardware problem it shows.
[04:57]	TR Bot	 Marginalia Search
[04:57]	TR News	Laboratory for Dismantling Democracy https://neritam.wordpress.com/2023/04/01/laboratory-for-dismantling-democracy/
[04:57]	TR Bot	 Laboratory for Dismantling Democracy neritam
[04:58]	TR News	How To Echo Shell Commands as They Are Executed in Bash https://linuxhint.com/echo-shell-commands-as-executed-bash/
[04:58]	TR Bot	 How To Echo Shell Commands as They Are Executed in Bash
[04:58]	yuhong	MinceR: I wonder if you have ever seen https://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~jhe/fast20-wiser.pdf
[04:59]	TR News	Microsoft blocked for privacy abuses https://www.securityweek.com/italy-temporarily-blocks-chatgpt-over-privacy-concerns/
[04:59]	TR Bot	Temporarily Blocks ChatGPT Over Privacy Concerns - SecurityWeek
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[04:59]	MinceR	have you ever seen a flower?
[04:59]	TR News	How to Initialize Vector in C++ https://linuxhint.com/initialize-vector-in-cpp/
[04:59]	TR Bot	 How to Initialize Vector in C++
[04:59]	TR News	How to Convert a Python Program to C/C++ Code https://linuxhint.com/convert-python-program-to-cpp/
[04:59]	TR Bot	 How to Convert a Python Program to C/C++ Code
● Apr 02
[05:00]	MinceR	yuhong: so, is bng going to deliver useless irrelevant results much more quickly now or what?
[05:01]	yuhong	Not talking about bing here of course.
[05:02]	TR News	What is cout in C++ Language https://linuxhint.com/cout-cpp/
[05:02]	TR Bot	 What is cout in C++ Language
[05:02]	psydruid	let's launch MICROS~1 bingbows
[05:02]	TR News	Little Endian vs Big Endian in C https://linuxhint.com/little-endian-vs-big-endian-c/
[05:02]	TR Bot	 Little Endian vs Big Endian in C
[05:03]	psydruid	the bot in botNET
[05:03]	MinceR	run it on a used pc bought from Michaelsoft Binbows
[05:03]	yuhong	That being said, there is many domain verified certificates these days.
[05:04]	TR News	Activists sue China's education ministry over rainbow flag reprimand https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/lgbtq-03312023131243.html
[05:04]	TR Bot	 Activists sue China's education ministry over rainbow flag reprimand Radio Free Asia
[05:05]	TR News	Russian Pianist, Rock Group Face More Pressure As Kremlin Seeks To Crush Dissent https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-pianist-rock-group-pressure-ukraine-war-criticism/32345159.html
[05:05]	TR Bot	 Russian Pianist, Rock Group Face More Pressure As Kremlin Seeks To Crush Dissent
[05:06]	TR News	UK Government announces plans for a clean future and reduced household bills https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/04/uk-government-announces-plans-for-a-clean-future-and-reduced-household-bills/
[05:06]	TR Bot	 UK Government announces plans for a clean future and reduced household bills - JURIST - News
[05:07]	TR News	This One Strategy Will Reveal if Someone's Lying With 80% Accuracy, Study Finds https://www.sciencealert.com/this-one-strategy-will-reveal-if-someones-lying-with-80-accuracy-study-finds
[05:07]	TR Bot	One Strategy Will Reveal if Someone's Lying With 80% Accuracy, Study Finds : ScienceAlert
[05:08]	TR News	A Musical War of the Worlds https://feed.tedium.co/link/15204/16052836/jeff-wayne-war-of-the-worlds-history
[05:08]	TR Bot	 Jeff Waynes War of the Worlds: The Rock Opera That Shaped the Form
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[05:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[05:26]	TR News	 (NEW): Open Hardware/Modding and Linux-Friendly Devices http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Open_Hardware_Modding_and_Linux_Friendly_Devices.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Open_Hardware_Modding_and_Linux_Friendly_Devices.gmi 
[05:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Open Hardware/Modding and Linux-Friendly Devices
[05:27]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[05:27]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
[05:27]	TR News	 (NEW): 15 Common Ubuntu Terms, Jargon, and Lingo: Explained http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/15_Common_Ubuntu_Terms_Jargon_and_Lingo_Explained.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/15_Common_Ubuntu_Terms_Jargon_and_Lingo_Explained.gmi 
[05:27]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 15 Common Ubuntu Terms, Jargon, and Lingo: Explained
[05:35]	TR News	"In this quick how-to, we are going to explain how to fix this by installing the iDRAC service module. We are going to use Ubuntu 22.04 LTS as our OS." https://www.servethehome.com/how-to-install-the-dell-idrac-service-module/
[05:35]	TR Bot	 How to Install the Dell iDRAC Service Module
[05:38]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/today_s_leftovers.gmi 
[05:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[05:41]	TR News	Bing fell below 3% globally https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/all/#monthly-200901-202304 MICROSOFT-BRIBED MEDIA: GULAG IS DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD!!!! WE HAVE A CHAFFBOT!!! RAH RAH RAH. Market share... falling. and Bing LAYOFFS.
[05:41]	TR Bot	 Search Engine Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats
[05:52]	TR News	 (UPDATED): Linux Lite 6.4 Released with Updated Ubuntu LTS Base, Under the hood updates http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Linux_Lite_6_4_Released_with_Updated_Ubuntu_LTS_Base_Under_the_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Linux_Lite_6_4_Released_with_Updated_Ubuntu_LTS_Base_Under_the_.gmi 
[05:52]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux Lite 6.4 Released with Updated Ubuntu LTS Base, Under the hood updates
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[06:04]	TR News	Links 02/04/2023: GNUnet 0.19.4 and Pine64/RISC-V SoC | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/04/02/pine64-riscv/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/04/02/pine64-riscv/
[06:04]	TR Bot	 Links 02/04/2023: GNUnet 0.19.4 and Pine64/RISC-V SoC | Techrights
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[06:14]	TR News	COVID-19 was costly (patent licences), but to oligarchy it was helpful financially. Oligarchs shaped the policy. It helped them "balance" the budget associated with National Insurance/pensions. People die younger and millions of pensioners died/die prematurely.
[06:16]	TR News	Mobile OS Market Share (as Judged by Web Access) More Than Double All Versions of Windows Combined | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/04/02/mobile-os-market-share/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/04/02/mobile-os-market-share/
[06:16]	TR Bot	 Mobile OS Market Share (as Judged by Web Access) More Than Double All Versions of Windows Combined | Techrights
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[06:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[07:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[08:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[09:16]	TR News	Mobile OS Market Share (as Judged by Web Access) More Than Double All Versions of Windows Combined | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/04/02/mobile-os-market-share/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/04/02/mobile-os-market-share/
[09:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[09:20]	TR News	"One of the unusual things about HTTP/3 is that it doesn't use TCP but instead a new network transport protocol, QUIC" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/AvoidingHTTP3ForNow | Source: University of Toronto
[09:20]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/web/AvoidingHTTP3ForNow
[09:20]	TR News	"A member of our Storage Team, Cloud Engineer Goran Mekic, shared that documentation and books on DTrace were not terribly helpful to him in finding out what function he should trace." https://axcient.com/blog/using-dtrace-to-find-block-sizes-of-zfs-nfs-and-iscsi/ | Source: Axcient
[09:20]	TR Bot	DTrace to find block sizes of ZFS, NFS and iSCSI - Axcient
[09:21]	TR News	"The secret ingredient is Tasker" https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/recycling-hotel-keycards/ | Source: Buttondown
[09:21]	TR Bot	 Repurposing Hotel Keycards Buttondown
[09:22]	TR News	"RISC-V (pronounced risk-five) is an open-source processor spec designed to be modular, extensible" https://www.omglinux.com/star64-is-a-risc-v-single-board-pc/ | Source: OMG! Linux
[09:22]	TR Bot	 $70 RISC-V Computer from Pine64 Goes on Sale April 4 - OMG! Linux
[09:22]	TR News	"There are lots of designs out there to build electric planes that carry a small LiPo cell and a timer circuit" https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/supercapacitor-free-flight-planes-hackspace-65/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
[09:22]	TR Bot	 Supercapacitor free flight planes | HackSpace #65 - Raspberry Pi
[09:23]	TR News	"The recommendations algorithm source code explains why tweets appear on a user's "For you" timeline." https://www.dw.com/en/twitter-reveals-code-showing-why-tweets-pop-up/a-65204619 | Source: Deutsche Welle
[09:23]	TR Bot	reveals code showing why tweets pop-up DW 04/01/2023
[09:25]	TR News	"The International Pascal Congress (IPC) is an international forum dedicated to bringing together the different players in the software industry whose technologies are based on the Pascal family of programming languages." https://www.pascalcongress.com/index.html | Source: International Pascal Congress
[09:25]	TR Bot	 International Pascal Congress
[09:27]	TR News	"[thing] is now about [opposite thing]" https://idiomdrottning.org/a1 | Source: Idiomdrottning
[09:27]	TR Bot	 Have an A1 day
[09:28]	TR News	"The third is deeply disturbing. It is a compelling dive into the community aspect of radicalisation." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2023/04/book-review-radicalized-cory-doctorow/ | Source: Terence Eden
[09:28]	TR Bot	 Book Review: Radicalized Cory Doctorow Terence Edens Blog
[09:29]	TR News	"devices meet specific cybersecurity guidelines" https://www.databreaches.net/fda-requires-medical-devices-be-secured-against-cyberattacks/ | Source: Data Breaches
[09:29]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.databreaches.net/fda-requires-medical-devices-be-secured-against-cyberattacks/ )
[09:29]	TR News	"the sweeping $1.7 trillion federal omnibus spending bill" https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/29/tech/fda-medical-devices-secured-cyberattacks/index.html | Source: CNN
[09:29]	TR Bot	 FDA requires medical devices be secured against cyberattacks | CNN Business
[09:30]	TR News	Windows TCO: "DataBreaches had noticed a listing on LockBit3.0s site on January 29." https://www.databreaches.net/todays-dont-say-ransomware-award-goes-to/ | Source: Data Breaches
[09:30]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.databreaches.net/todays-dont-say-ransomware-award-goes-to/ )
[09:33]	TR News	"By installing the Facebook Pixel on its Website, (Orlando Health) effectively planted a bug on (W.W.) and Class Members web browsers and compelled them to disclose their communications with (Orlando Health) to Facebook" https://floridapolitics.com/archives/598399-orlando-health-accused-of-sharing-patients-information-with-facebook-lawsuit-says/ | Source: Extensive-Enterprises
[09:33]	TR Bot	 Orlando Health accused of sharing patients' information with Facebook, lawsuit says
[09:34]	TR News	"The researchers have published an open source tool called MacStealer to test Wi-Fi networks for the vulnerability." https://www.computerworld.com/article/3692434/researchers-warn-of-wi-fi-security-flaw-affecting-ios-android-linux.html | Source: Computer World
[09:34]	TR Bot	warn of Wi-Fi security flaw affecting iOS, Android, Linux | Computerworld
[09:41]	TR News	"I stopped using Citibank for travel as soon as the sale was announced, because we all knew this would happen." https://rubenerd.com/citibank-australia-were-pleased/ | Source: Ruben Schade
[09:41]	TR Bot	Citibank Australia were pleased to close our account
[09:45]	TR News	"GnuCash is an accounting software that offers basic accounting functionality and is completely free" https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/small-business/accounting/gnucash-review/ | Source: The Motley Fool
[09:45]	TR Bot	 GnuCash Review 2023: Features, Pricing & More
[09:46]	TR News	"Apple, at roughly [faked] $2.4 trillion, and Microsoft, at [faked] $2.1 trillion, are so large that, taken together" https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/how-big-tech-camouflaged-wall-streets-crisis/articleshow/99165905.cms | Source: India Times
[09:46]	TR Bot	 wall street: How Big Tech camouflaged Wall Street's crisis - The Economic Times
[09:47]	TR News	"TikToks proposed $1.5 billion plan to avoid a U.S. ban would cordon off American user data in Texas-based Oracle servers." https://cyberscoop.com/white-house-tiktok-negotiations-congress-china/ | Source: Scoop News Group
[09:47]	TR Bot	House talks with TikTok stall after blistering congressional hearing | CyberScoop
[09:47]	TR News	"In addition to Mucha, TikTok tapped former Obama advisers David Plouffe and Jim Messina to prep Shou Zi Chew, CEO of TikTok" https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/tiktok-zenia-mucha-adviser-us-app-ban-1235570149/ | Source: Variety
[09:47]	TR Bot	Enlists Ex-Disney Communications Chief Zenia Mucha as Adviser - Variety
[09:48]	TR News	"Americans who are aware that TikTok is owned by the ByteDance are particularly likely to support banning it" https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/tiktok-ban-survey-half-americans-support-1235570024/ | Source: Variety
[09:48]	TR Bot	US Ban Survey: Half of American Adults Favor Ban, Pew Finds - Variety
[09:48]	TR News	"These so-called concerns seem to entirely revolve around the idea that because TikTok is owned by ByteDance" https://jaylittle.com/post/view/2023/4/ship-of-fools-the-race-to-ban-tiktok | Source: Jay Little
[09:48]	TR Bot	 Jay Little - Software Obsessionist - Ship of Fools: The Race to Ban TikTok
[09:49]	TR News	"Since 1999, security researchers have logged at least 189 vulnerabilities in Exchange Server" https://cyberscoop.com/software-liability-biden-microsoft-vulnerabilities/ | Source: Scoop News Group
[09:49]	TR Bot	a White House initiative compel tech companies to write safer code? | CyberScoop
[09:50]	TR News	Tesla lost half its so-called 'market value' in a few months. So should GAFAM. They overvalued about a TENFOLD.
[09:52]	TR News	"The new strategy "is the only realistic way to address advanced HEY HI bot swarms taking over" https://www.axios.com/2023/04/02/trump-indictment-2024-campaign-donations | Source: Axios
[09:52]	TR Bot	 Trump raises over $5 million in first 48 hours after indictment news
[09:52]	TR News	"any layoff would necessarily trigger the WARN Act protections is not the case" https://www.axios.com/2023/04/01/tiktok-warn-act-layoffs-tech-experts-true-false | Source: Axios
[09:52]	TR Bot	 Experts debunk viral TikTok videos about WARN Act and major layoffs
[09:52]	TR News	Censorship https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/03/31/russia-is-persecuting-dissenters-by-taking-away-their-children | Source: The Economist
[09:52]	TR Bot	is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children | The Economist
[09:53]	TR News	"authorities in the city of Faizabad, in Badakhshan province, shuttered the broadcasters operations" https://cpj.org/2023/03/taliban-shut-down-women-run-broadcaster-radio-sada-e-banowan-seal-office/ | Source: CPJ
[09:53]	TR Bot	 Taliban shut down women-run broadcaster Radio Sada e Banowan, seal office - Committee to Protect Journalists
[09:53]	TR News	"laws and regulations of the Islamic Emirate" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taliban-afghanistan-women-only-radio-station-closed-music-ramadan-rcna77763 | Source: NBC
[09:53]	TR Bot	 Taliban shutters women-run radio station for playing music
[09:53]	TR News	">A Moscow court on Friday ordered Gershkovich to be held in pre-trial detention until May 29" https://www.voanews.com/a/let-him-go-biden-says-as-russia-orders-american-journalist-held-until-may-/7031267.html | Source: VOA News
[09:53]	TR Bot	 Let Him Go, Biden Says as Russia Orders American Journalist Held Until May
[09:56]	TR News	"Since then, though, the Amazon Labor Union has gained little ground." https://text.npr.org/1165294695 | Source: NPR
[09:56]	TR Bot	 Labor's labors lost? A year after stunning victory at Amazon, unions are stalled
[09:56]	TR News	"Its a great idea, but for traffic safety advocates, the commissioners words sounded like a bitter joke." https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/03/nypds-illegal-parking-needs-to-be-curbed.html | Source: NYMag
[09:56]	TR Bot	 NYPDs Illegal Parking Needs to Be Curbed
[09:59]	TR News	"Effective 31 March 2024, all new Cross Connects globally will be Single-Mode Fiber (SMF)" https://rubenerd.com/equinix-retiring-copper/ | Source: Ruben Schade
[09:59]	TR Bot	Equinix retiring copper
[09:59]	TR News	"RTs decision to take the Long Wave service off air is based on three interrelated factors: [...]" https://about.rte.ie/2023/03/31/rte-radio-1-to-cease-broadcasting-on-long-wave/ | Source: RTE
[09:59]	TR Bot	 RT RADIO 1 TO CEASE BROADCASTING ON LONG WAVE About RT
[09:59]	TR News	<h5><a href="https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2023/03/tribal-nations-face-challenges-in-accessing-and-maximizing-funding-connected-america-conference/">Tribal Nations Face Challenges in Accessing and Maximizing Funding: Connected America Conference</a></h5>
[09:59]	TR Bot	 Tribal Nations Face Challenges in Accessing and Maximizing Funding: Connected America Conference : Broadband Breakfast
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[10:01]	schestowitz[TR]	                        "Much of this development is being bolstered by federal funding. On March 23, the National Telecommunications and Information Administration announced two new grants through the Tribal Broadband Connectivity Program, bringing its total to more than $1.75 billion awarded to 135 Tribal entities."
[10:02]	TR News	"the legal system still hasn't figured out who owns the output" https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/humans-vs-machines-the-fight-to-copyright-ai-art/articleshow/99170454.cms | Source: India Times
[10:02]	TR Bot	 Humans vs. machines: The fight to copyright AI art - The Economic Times
[10:05]	TR News	"Kathy Hochul Is Trying to Privatize More of New Yorks Public School System" https://jacobin.com/2023/03/ny-hochul-charter-school-cap-public-education/
[10:05]	TR Bot	 Kathy Hochul Is Trying to Privatize More of New Yorks Public School System
[10:05]	TR News	Not far from the truth... https://ffii.org/unified-patent-court-will-replace-its-judges-and-lawyers-with-ai-to-bmake-justice-finally-affordable-to-smes/
[10:05]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://ffii.org/unified-patent-court-will-replace-its-judges-and-lawyers-with-ai-to-bmake-justice-finally-affordable-to-smes/ )
[10:06]	TR News	Daniel Jalkut on "advances" https://danielpunkass.micro.blog/2023/03/30/with-every-advance.html gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//danielpunkass.micro.blog/2023/03/30/with-every-advance.html
[10:06]	TR Bot	 Daniel Jalkut
[10:06]	TR News	"April 1st is all about fake stories and pretending. This makes it the perfect day to talk about mocking." https://opensource.com/article/23/4/using-mocks-python | Source: OpenSource.com
[10:06]	TR Bot	mocks in Python | Opensource.com
[10:07]	TR News	"In this article, I'll cover the greatest coding language to learn how to make anything!" https://opensource.com/article/23/4/emojicode | Source: OpenSource.com
[10:07]	TR Bot	a cute program with Emojicode | Opensource.com
[10:07]	TR News	"For more than a decade, pirate streaming site PrimeWire took every anti-piracy measure Hollywood could muster and simply carried on." https://torrentfreak.com/primewire-wont-die-or-stop-pirating-21m-judgment-be-damned-230401/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[10:07]	TR Bot	Won't Die or Stop Pirating, $21.7m Judgment Be Damned * TorrentFreak
[10:09]	TR News	"Russia will preside over the U.N. Security Council during April 2023, the U.N. reports [sic] on Twitter." Seriously? Twitter??? April 1st? https://meduza.io/en/news/2023/04/01/russia-will-preside-over-the-u-n-security-council-for-the-month-of-april | Source: Meduza
[10:09]	TR Bot	 Russia will preside over the U.N. Security Council for the month of April Meduza
[10:17]	TR News	"[Emily Velasco] has an internet provider that provides sub-par connectivity" https://hackaday.com/2023/04/01/cat-skull-for-internet-connection-divination/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:17]	TR Bot	Skull For Internet Connection Divination | Hackaday
[10:17]	schestowitz[TR]	MinceR: :-3
[10:19]	TR News	Stronger when united https://truthout.org/articles/united-auto-workers-prepare-for-big-fights-ahead-under-new-reform-leadership/ | Source: TruthOut
[10:19]	TR Bot	 United Auto Workers Prepare for Big Fights Ahead Under New Reform Leadership - Truthout
[10:19]	TR News	"These days we use USB as a default for everything from low-speed serial ports to high-capacity storage" https://hackaday.com/2023/04/01/apple-never-gave-them-usb-now-theyre-getting-it-for-themselves/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:19]	TR Bot	Never Gave Them USB. Now, Theyre Getting It For Themselves | Hackaday
[10:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[10:20]	TR News	chicago https://truthout.org/articles/april-4-runoff-may-determine-whether-chicago-remains-playground-for-the-wealthy/ | Source: TruthOut
[10:20]	TR Bot	 April 4 Runoff May Determine Whether Chicago Remains Playground for the Wealthy - Truthout
[10:21]	TR News	Escape From 1927 https://www.techdirt.com/2023/04/01/game-jam-winner-spotlight-escape-from-1927/ | Source: Techdirt
[10:21]	TR Bot	Jam Winner Spotlight: Escape From 1927 | Techdirt
[10:24]	TR News	Paris Is Overflowing With Trashand With Rage at Macron https://www.thenation.com/article/world/paris-garbage-macron/ | Source: The Nation
[10:24]	TR Bot	 Paris Is Overflowing With Trashand With Rage at Macron | The Nation
[10:24]	TR News	"corporate powers dominance is its 24/7 relentless" https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/how-corporate-america-subverts-reform | Source: Common Dreams
[10:24]	TR Bot	 Opinion | How Corporate America Subverts Reform to Boost Profits | Common Dreams
[10:28]	TR News	Wall Street Bonuses Continue to Soar https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/wall-street-bonuses-worker-pay | Source: Common Dreams
[10:28]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Wall Street Bonuses Continue to Soar Compared to Worker Wages | Common Dreams
[10:29]	TR News	 (NEW): The 6 Best Lightweight Linux Distros http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/The_6_Best_Lightweight_Linux_Distros.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/The_6_Best_Lightweight_Linux_Distros.gmi 
[10:29]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines The 6 Best Lightweight Linux Distros
[10:30]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/today_s_howtos.2.gmi 
[10:30]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[10:30]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/01/today_s_leftovers.gmi 
[10:30]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[10:31]	TR News	 (NEW): MusicPod: A Beautiful Flutter-based Music, Radio, and Podcast Player for Ubuntu http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/MusicPod_A_Beautiful_Flutter_based_Music_Radio_and_Podcast_Play.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/MusicPod_A_Beautiful_Flutter_based_Music_Radio_and_Podcast_Play.gmi 
[10:31]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines MusicPod: A Beautiful Flutter-based Music, Radio, and Podcast Player for Ubuntu
[10:32]	TR News	Bug/listening devices/spyware: "As we have seen time and time again, not every device stores our sensitive data in a respectful manner." https://hackaday.com/2023/04/01/squeezing-secrets-out-of-an-amazon-echo-dot/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:32]	TR Bot	Secrets Out Of An Amazon Echo Dot | Hackaday
[10:32]	TR News	"If youre wondering why there was no newsletter last weekend, it was because we had our hands full with Hackaday Berlin." https://hackaday.com/2023/04/01/hackaday-does-berlin/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:32]	TR Bot	Does Berlin | Hackaday
[10:32]	TR News	Florida https://truthout.org/articles/florida-teachers-unions-are-front-line-of-resistance-against-desantiss-fascism/ | Source: TruthOut
[10:32]	TR Bot	 Florida Teachers Unions Are Front Line of Resistance Against DeSantiss Fascism - Truthout
[10:33]	TR News	"Theres tons of theory out there to explain the behavior of electronic circuits and electromagnetic waves." https://hackaday.com/2023/04/01/blender-and-openems-teamed-up-make-stunning-simulations/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:33]	TR Bot	And OpenEMS Teamed Up Make Stunning Simulations | Hackaday
[10:35]	TR News	 (NEW): GnuCash Review 2023: Features, Pricing & More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/GnuCash_Review_2023_Features_Pricing_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/GnuCash_Review_2023_Features_Pricing_More.gmi 
[10:35]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GnuCash Review 2023: Features, Pricing & More
[10:46]	TR News	Ukraine updates: Russia takes UN Security Council presidency https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-russia-takes-un-security-council-presidency/a-65203121
[10:46]	TR Bot	updates: Russia takes UN Security Council presidency DW 04/01/2023
[10:47]	TR News	The worst April Fools' joke https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-russia-takes-un-security-council-presidency/a-6520312
[10:47]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-russia-takes-un-security-council-presidency/a-6520312 )
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● Apr 02
[11:12]	TR News	tiktok mention here is redundant https://jacobin.com/2023/04/tiktok-dream-of-labor-meme-socialism-organize-labor-movement/
[11:12]	TR Bot	 If You Dont Dream of Labor, You Should Organize for Socialism
[11:14]	TR News	Countries agree. Social control media sucks, more so if controlled by hostile actors. https://gizmodo.com/tiktok-ban-how-many-countries-bytedance-china-1850238654
[11:14]	TR Bot	 How Many Countries Have Banned TikTok?
[11:15]	TR News	TikTok (China) teaches in the West to steal and vandalise https://gizmodo.com/tiktok-challenge-hyundai-kia-steering-wheel-lock-1850287563
[11:15]	TR Bot	 Hyundai and Kia Offer Free Steering Wheel Locks After Rise in Vehicle Thefts
[11:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[11:22]	TR News	So-called 'Libertarians' siding with Pooh https://reason.com/2023/03/31/the-restrict-act-would-restrict-a-lot-more-than-tiktok/ https://gizmodo.com/rand-paul-opposes-tiktok-ban-warns-republicans-1850278167
[11:22]	TR Bot	 The RESTRICT Act Would Restrict a Lot More Than TikTok
[11:22]	TR Bot	 Rand Paul Says a TikTok Ban Would Be Politically Disastrous
[11:23]	TR News	Other social control media sites [sic] should also be banned for the same reasons if not more https://www.vox.com/technology/2023/3/7/23628147/tiktok-ban-restrict-act-bill-warner-thune
[11:23]	TR Bot	biggest threat is the RESTRICT Act - Vox
[11:24]	TR News	Same conclusions reached https://nltimes.nl/2023/03/27/dutch-tax-office-also-wants-ban-apps-like-tiktok-work-telephones
[11:24]	TR Bot	 Dutch tax office also wants to ban apps like TikTok from work telephones | NL Times
[11:24]	TR News	Telegram could be next https://nltimes.nl/2023/03/28/municipality-amsterdam-going-ban-tiktok-work-phones-telegram-next
[11:24]	TR Bot	 Municipality of Amsterdam is going to ban TikTok on work phones; Telegram could be next | NL Times
[11:25]	TR News	Imposing a nationwide TikTok ban can be US lawmakers' only chance to restrict the app [sic] https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/imposing-nationwide-tiktok-ban-can-us-lawmakers-only-chance-restrict-app-1714614
[11:25]	TR Bot	 Imposing a nationwide TikTok ban can be US lawmakers' only chance to restrict the app
[11:26]	TR News	France: yes, social control media is bad https://gizmodo.com/france-ban-recreational-apps-official-phones-tiktok-1850268079
[11:26]	TR Bot	 France Bans All Fun Apps From Government Phones
[11:27]	TR News	Same conclusions https://nltimes.nl/2023/03/25/civil-servants-eindhoven-longer-allowed-use-tiktok-work
[11:27]	TR Bot	 Civil servants in Eindhoven are no longer allowed to use TikTok at work | NL Times
[11:27]	TR News	CNN helps Pooh-tin frame rejection of opium as "racist" https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/26/tech/asian-americans-tiktok/index.html
[11:27]	TR Bot	Americans are anxious about hate crimes. TikTok ban rhetoric isn't helping | CNN Business
[11:29]	TR News	CNN pretends to be against racism, but then it does it its own way, with "style" https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/25/business/apple-tim-cook-visits-beijing-intl-hnk/index.html
[11:29]	TR Bot	TikTok chief's grilling in Washington, Apple's Tim Cook is all smiles in Beijing | CNN Business
[11:30]	TR News	astroturf https://gizmodo.com/tiktok-protestors-astroturf-ban-rally-in-dc-1850261777
[11:30]	TR Bot	 Why TikTok Needed to Pay Influencers to Attend Anti-Ban Rally
[11:31]	TR News	Can? It does. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/afcl/fact-check-tiktok-03242023144611.html
[11:31]	TR Bot	 Asia Fact Check Lab: Can TikTok share US user data with Chinas government? Radio Free Asia
[11:32]	TR News	The mains problem with TikTok is not the tracking
[11:37]	TR News	Paying by Microsoft; not really running in GNU/Linux, either https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-play-xbox-games-on-linux-cloud-gaming-remote-play/
[11:37]	TR Bot	 How to Play Xbox One and Series X|S Games on a Linux PC With Cloud Gaming and Remote Play
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[11:48]	phanes	woot
[11:49]	phanes	just got Dark Horse Linux to boot from ISO finally
[11:49]	phanes	still has some init problems to work out, so it'll be a bit before something usable is there
[11:51]	phanes	damn iso is 8G tho
[11:52]	phanes	7.8 to be exact
[11:57]	phanes	prob need to strip debug symbols and supply docs as a post-install add-on package
[11:58]	phanes	half that shit after that is the dam kernel modules themselves
[11:58]	phanes	thats nuts how bloated thats gotten
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[12:14]	schestowitz[TR]	bloated
[12:15]	schestowitz[TR]	2 DVDs
[12:15]	schestowitz[TR]	for "base" system
[12:15]	phanes	yep there's lots to pare out there
[12:18]	phanes	then once i get the base system usable ill need to reflow the whole build project to work on itself instead of on a fedora build host 
[12:18]	phanes	but before i do that i need to turn the livecd into an installer image
[12:19]	phanes	and then figure out how package management will work
[12:19]	phanes	i can see why this kind of work takes so many people, it just never ends
[12:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[12:20]	phanes	because once its usable and installable ill need to build out shitloads of package build infrastructure
[12:21]	phanes	and then sort out security patching
[12:22]	phanes	alot of corporate clients wont go for a distro even with vendor support if there is not patching thats very up to date.  
[12:42]	TR News	Why Techrights Condones Fentanylware (TikTok) Ban and Suggests Extending Bans to Supposedly Good Fentanyl | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/04/02/saying-no-to-fentanylware/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/04/02/saying-no-to-fentanylware/
[12:42]	TR Bot	 Why Techrights Condones Fentanylware (TikTok) Ban and Suggests Extending Bans to Supposedly Good Fentanyl | Techrights
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● Apr 02
[13:17]	phanes	annnnnnnd booyah: https://www.darkhorselinux.org/download
[13:17]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://www.darkhorselinux.org/download )
[13:17]	phanes	woops
[13:17]	phanes	annnnnnnd booyah: https://www.darkhorselinux.org/downloads
[13:17]	TR Bot	 
[13:19]	TR News	Edge is proprietary Microsoft spyware which by default, without informing the user, passes all the user's passwords to the NSA and Microsoft. Why help users install such malware? Microsoft is laying off Edge staff already; it failed at market adoption. https://www.linuxmadesimple.info/2023/03/how-to-install-microsoft-edge-on-linux.html
[13:19]	TR Bot	 How to install Microsoft Edge on Linux Lite 6.2
[13:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[13:21]	TR News	Microsoft's proprietary spyware isn't a good fit on GNU/Linux; try Kate instead https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-install-visual-studio-code-ubuntu/
[13:21]	TR Bot	 How to Install Visual Studio Code in Ubuntu
[13:28]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/today_s_howtos.2.gmi 
[13:28]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[13:32]	schestowitz[TR]	phanes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Horse_Beer
[13:32]	TR Bot	 Red Horse Beer - Wikipedia
[13:32]	phanes	cool
[13:32]	phanes	ill have to try it
[13:33]	schestowitz[TR]	makers of corona
[13:33]	schestowitz[TR]	oh, never mind, no... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_(beer)
[13:33]	TR Bot	 Corona (beer) - Wikipedia
[13:34]	schestowitz[TR]	owned by Belgian company now
[13:34]	phanes	man i am tired
[13:34]	phanes	haven't been to bed yet to get this pushed out and downloadable
[13:34]	phanes	this has been just a stupid amount of work
[13:34]	schestowitz[TR]	"During the COVID-19 pandemic, the beer saw some controversy due to its similarity in name to coronaviruses. There was some reduction in the sales of the brand in China, but not in the United States (where the brand is much more popular than in China and where sales of the brand actually rose by 5% in early 2020), and the sales slump in China affected various brands, not just Corona"
[13:36]	TR News	The Year of the Linux Desktop - IS FINALLY HERE!!! https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=d5SXL40TKvA
[13:36]	TR Bot	 The Year of the Linux Desktop: The Movie (Short Film by Jay LaCroix) - Invidious
[13:36]	TR News	CachyOS : Get Ready to Be AMAZED - The Ultimate Performance Linux Distro of 2023 (NEW) https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=d_qo_WXwiVc
[13:37]	TR Bot	 CachyOS : Get Ready to Be AMAZED - The Ultimate Performance Linux Distro of 2023 (NEW) - Invidious
[13:37]	TR News	2023-04-01: leaving ArchLinux https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=MPo1U2nJZN4
[13:37]	TR Bot	 I'm Leaving Arch Linux For A Better Distro!! - Invidious
[13:39]	TR News	Linux Lite 6.4 Final Released https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/release-announcements/linux-lite-6-4-final-released/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxliteos.com/forums/release-announcements/linux-lite-6-4-final-released/
[13:39]	TR Bot	 Linux Lite 6.4 Final Released
[13:53]	phanes	isnt linux lite just another ubuntu rebranding
[13:58]	phanes	cachyos is a rebranding of arch linux
[13:59]	phanes	they all have the same pipeline problems
[13:59]	phanes	s/pipeline/supply chain/
● Apr 02
[14:00]	phanes	night folks
[14:00]		*phanes dies of sleep deprivation
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[14:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[14:27]	MinceR	every Kroah-Hartmanux distro shares supply chain problems
[14:29]	TR News	Giving Gnome-Terminal some margins makes me happier with it https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/GnomeTerminalBiggerMargins
[14:29]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/GnomeTerminalBiggerMargins
[14:30]	psydroid2	you can say yuhong bai bai to your (creative) freedom if you choose Kroah-Hartmanux as the base of your distro
[14:30]	schestowitz[TR]	horseshitlinus
[14:33]	TR News	The 8 Best DIY Security Camera Apps and Software for Linux https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/awesome-diy-security-camera-clients-linux/
[14:33]	TR Bot	 The 8 Best DIY Security Camera Apps and Software for Linux
[14:34]	TR News	Using LINUX at WORK - GNOME edition: extensions, apps & workflow https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=IPWdA0OYXVU
[14:34]	TR Bot	 Using LINUX at WORK - GNOME edition: extensions, apps & workflow - Invidious
[14:35]	TR News	Linuxfx 11.3.1 is out https://distrowatch.com/linuxfx
[14:35]	TR Bot	Linuxfx
[14:38]	TR News	"Jealous of everyone who missed out on the endless stream of utterly boring April Fools jokes on IRC which were boring me to tears. I was crying bone" gemini://idiomdrottning.org/a1
[14:38]	TR News	SpellBinding: ACIYRVP Wordo: JESUS gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2023-04-02.gmi
[14:43]	TR News	Sposonored crap, not review https://www.linuxtechmore.com/2023/03/internxt-cloud-storage-review.html
[14:43]	TR Bot	 Internxt is a privacy-focused open-source cloud storage that supports Linux and offers lifetime plans (Review)
[14:45]	TR News	Manjaro Linux's Biggest Drama That Never Happened https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=oF991c0vDAg
[14:45]	TR Bot	 Manjaro Linux's Biggest Drama That Never Happened - Invidious
[14:45]	TR News	10 Things I Wish I Knew When I First Started With Linux https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=HIJ6LixbcAY
[14:46]	TR Bot	 10 Things I Wish I Knew When I First Started With Linux - Invidious
[14:46]	TR News	Proprietary Microsoft spyware; why use that? https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=wsajj2EB6Vs
[14:46]	TR Bot	 How to install Visual Studio Code on Linux Lite 6.2 - Invidious
[14:48]	TR News	The Linux Link Tech Show Episode 998 http://www.tlltsarchive.org/archives/tllts_998-03-29-23.ogg almost 1000 now
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[14:49]	TechrightsBot-tr	Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
[14:54]	MinceR	https://i0.wp.com/digbysblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/image.png
[14:54]	TR News	 (NEW): Alpine 3.17.3 released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Alpine_3_17_3_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Alpine_3_17_3_released.gmi 
[14:54]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Alpine 3.17.3 released
[14:57]	TR News	Top new features in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.8 and 9.2 Beta https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/top-new-features-red-hat-enterprise-linux-88-and-92-beta
[14:58]	TR Bot	 Top new features in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.8 and 9.2 Beta
[14:58]	TR News	System76 Pangolin Review: the 15" all rounder AMD Linux laptop https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=VPIeUw3Zyds
[14:58]	TR Bot	 System76 Pangolin Review: the 15" all rounder AMD Linux laptop - Invidious
[14:59]	TR News	How to install Trisquel GNU/Linux 11.0 https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=tEMO88Ge4nY
[14:59]	TR Bot	 How to install Trisquel GNU/Linux 11.0 - Invidious
[14:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
● Apr 02
[15:00]	TR News	ArcoLinux 23.04.03 is out
[15:04]	TR News	How to install Minetest on Linux Lite 6.2 https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=CkZXyYQcqmU
[15:04]	TR Bot	 How to install Minetest on Linux Lite 6.2 - Invidious
[15:04]	TR News	Trisquel GNU/Linux 11.0 overview | 100% free as in freedom https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=rww0j8bXE-M
[15:04]	TR Bot	 Trisquel GNU/Linux 11.0 overview | 100% free as in freedom - Invidious
[15:13]	TR News	Garuda Linux 230305 Quick Overview https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=xGIRjYKjXOI
[15:13]	TR Bot	 Garuda Linux 230305 Quick Overview #shorts - Invidious
[15:13]	TR News	An Update Borked My Linux System. How Did I Fix It? https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=tTS2KVCJ-MQ
[15:13]	TR Bot	 An Update Borked My Linux System. How Did I Fix It? - Invidious
[15:14]	TR News	Why BSD Documentation Is Just Better Than Linux - Invidious https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=rGSZFmQuQrU | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/rGSZFmQuQrU
[15:14]	TR Bot	 Why BSD Documentation Is Just Better Than Linux - Invidious
[15:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[15:22]	TR News	Framework 16" laptop, Nextcloud's HUGE AI update, Twitter goes Open Source: Linux - FOSS News - Invidious https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=6J7qi2nchVs | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/6J7qi2nchVs
[15:22]	TR Bot	 Framework 16" laptop, Nextcloud's HUGE AI update, Twitter goes Open Source: Linux & FOSS News - Invidious
[15:24]	TR News	DoomLinux:the Distro That Loads Only Enough Software to Play DOOM https://linux.slashdot.org/story/23/03/25/0427211/doomlinux-the-distro-that-loads-only-enough-software-to-play-doom
[15:24]	TR Bot	 DoomLinux: the Distro That Loads Only Enough Software to Play DOOM - Slashdot
[15:25]	TR News	They have said this for like 7 years. But it's not happening. https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=yhT9UqlNsyU
[15:25]	TR Bot	 Wayland Is Linux's Future, But Why Do I Care? - Invidious
[15:39]	TR News	Microsoft Windows Down to Just a Quarter of Connected Computers | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/04/02/windows-quarter-share/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/04/02/windows-quarter-share/
[15:39]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Windows Down to Just a Quarter of Connected Computers | Techrights
[15:40]	schestowitz[TR]	psydroid2: ^
[15:42]	psydroid2	it's going to be a quarter of a quarter in 10 years
[15:42]	schestowitz[TR]	https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/india/#monthly-200901-202304
[15:42]	TR Bot	 Operating System Market Share India | Statcounter Global Stats
[15:42]	schestowitz[TR]	wow
[15:42]	schestowitz[TR]	13%
[15:42]	schestowitz[TR]	gonna add update
[15:49]	TR News	Microsoft controls Biden https://cyberscoop.com/software-liability-biden-microsoft-vulnerabilities/
[15:49]	TR Bot	a White House initiative compel tech companies to write safer code? | CyberScoop
[15:50]	TR News	Microsoft Florian still works for Microsoft http://www.fosspatents.com/2023/03/after-major-progress-toward-clearance.html
[15:50]	TR Bot	 FOSS Patents: After major progress toward clearance over the course of the first quarter, Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard could consummate during the second quarter
[15:53]	TR News	Review: GNOME 44 is a Great Release (Mostly) - Invidious https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=XmBVnZK7oag" | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/XmBVnZK7oag"
[15:53]	TR Bot	 Review: GNOME 44 is a Great Release (Mostly) - Invidious
[15:53]	TR News	John Deere Refuses To Respect Free Software - GPL - Invidious https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=5rgsXq2e7Ck | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/5rgsXq2e7Ck
[15:53]	TR Bot	 John Deere Refuses To Respect Free Software & GPL - Invidious
[15:54]	TR News	KDE Fixes Discord On Wayland Because Discord Can't - Invidious https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=FKgD65Um8Mo | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/FKgD65Um8Mo
[15:54]	TR Bot	 KDE Fixes Discord On Wayland Because Discord Can't - Invidious
[15:55]	TR News	Xorg Foundation Has A Serious Problem - Invidious https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=aWzhrMBN9fo | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/aWzhrMBN9fo
[15:55]	TR Bot	 Xorg Foundation Has A Serious Problem - Invidious
[15:56]	TR News	siduction 21.1.1 overview | the community based OS - Invidious https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=TAJFJUXkrGY | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/TAJFJUXkrGY
[15:56]	TR Bot	 siduction 21.1.1 overview | the community based OS - Invidious
[15:56]	MinceR	https://explosm.net/comics/rob-blink
[15:56]	TR Bot	& Happiness (Explosm.net)
[15:57]	TR News	Nitrux 2.7.0 Quick Overview #shorts - Invidious https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=1h0TBxfIXCg | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/1h0TBxfIXCg
[15:57]	TR Bot	 Nitrux 2.7.0 Quick Overview #shorts - Invidious
[15:57]	TR News	The Raspberry Pi Pironman Case - There's a Status Display! - Invidious https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=cCk8GTz4C9o | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/cCk8GTz4C9o
[15:57]	TR Bot	 The Raspberry Pi Pironman Case - There's a Status Display! - Invidious
[15:59]	TR News	ANF | YouTube closes Med Music TV channel without any explanation https://anfenglishmobile.com/freedom-of-the-press/youtube-closes-med-music-tv-channel-without-any-explanation-66332
[15:59]	TR Bot	 ANF | YouTube closes Med Music TV channel without any explanation
● Apr 02
[16:05]	psydroid2	I didn't know about Med Muzik, but I hope that in the future they will use a streaming service that they do control
[16:09]	TR News	 (NEW): GNU/Linux and Free Software Videos/Shows From Past Week http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/GNU_Linux_and_Free_Software_Videos_Shows_From_Past_Week.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/GNU_Linux_and_Free_Software_Videos_Shows_From_Past_Week.gmi 
[16:09]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GNU/Linux and Free Software Videos/Shows From Past Week
[16:14]	TR News	 (NEW): MidnightBSD 3.0.0 Released. This is What's New http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/MidnightBSD_3_0_0_Released_This_is_What_s_New.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/MidnightBSD_3_0_0_Released_This_is_What_s_New.gmi 
[16:14]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines MidnightBSD 3.0.0 Released. This is What's New
[16:16]	TR News	Linux power SUSE appoints New CEO Dirk-Peter van Leeuwen https://opensourcewatch.beehiiv.com/p/linux-power-suse-appoints-new-ceo-dirkpeter-van-leeuwen Source: SJVN
[16:16]	TR Bot	 Linux power SUSE appoints New CEO Dirk-Peter van Leeuwen
[16:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[16:22]	TR News	IDG (now China) not paying writers? Not a single article in over 2 weeks now... https://www.networkworld.com/uk/blog/unix-as-a-second-language/
[16:22]	TR Bot	 Unix as a Second Language
[16:22]	TR News	 (UPDATED): Problems in SUSE (According to Former Employee, Mr. Lunduke) and openSUSE Conference 2023 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/03/24/Problems_in_SUSE_According_to_Former_Employee_Mr_Lunduke_and_op.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/03/24/Problems_in_SUSE_According_to_Former_Employee_Mr_Lunduke_and_op.gmi 
[16:22]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Problems in SUSE (According to Former Employee, Mr. Lunduke) and openSUSE Conference 2023
[16:22]	TR News	 (NEW): What's New in Fedora 38 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/What_s_New_in_Fedora_38.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/What_s_New_in_Fedora_38.gmi 
[16:22]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines What's New in Fedora 38
[16:24]	TR News	No "Linux" coverage at computing.co.uk... in 2+ weeks either (they ignore the most used OS/kernel, call themselves computing.co.uk) https://www.computing.co.uk/search?query=linux&date=this_year&type=&full_category=&per_page=24&sort=recent
[16:24]	TR Bot	 Search results for linux - Page 1 | Computing
[16:25]	TR News	"CLOWN" backup: give all your PRIVATE files to somebody ELSE... for "security" https://www.techtarget.com/searchdatabackup/feature/Top-20-cloud-backup-services-for-2019
[16:25]	TR Bot	cloud backup services for businesses to consider in 2023 | TechTarget
[16:26]	TR News	Clop = Microsoft Windows https://www.computerweekly.com/news/365533015/Hitachi-Energy-emerges-as-victim-of-Clop-gangs-Fortra-attack
[16:26]	TR Bot	 Hitachi Energy emerges as victim of Clop gangs Fortra attack | Computer Weekly
[16:28]	TR News	computerweekly used to cover some Linux every week, but this year if you look for anything "Linux" they spew out Windows
[16:28]	TR News	 (NEW): NanoPi R6C review Ubuntu 22.04, NVMe SSD, USB debug http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/NanoPi_R6C_review_Ubuntu_22_04_NVMe_SSD_USB_debug.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/NanoPi_R6C_review_Ubuntu_22_04_NVMe_SSD_USB_debug.gmi 
[16:28]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines NanoPi R6C review Ubuntu 22.04, NVMe SSD, USB debug
[16:29]	TR News	Oracle Cloud Native Environment 1.6 is available! blogs.oracle.com/linux/post/oracle-cloud-native-environment-16-is-available
[16:30]		*DaemonFC (~daemonfc@wka4xrbuinpaq.irc) has joined #techrights
[16:30]	TR News	6 Tips to Use the Steam Decks Desktop Mode Without a Dock https://www.makeuseof.com/tips-use-steam-deck-desktop-mode-without-dock/
[16:30]	TR Bot	 6 Tips to Use the Steam Decks Desktop Mode Without a Dock
[16:32]	TR News	How to Configure Networking on Ubuntu Servers https://www.makeuseof.com/configure-network-ubuntu-server/
[16:32]	TR Bot	 How to Configure Networking on Ubuntu Servers
[16:40]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[16:40]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[16:40]	TR News	 (NEW): 6 Tips to Use the Steam Decks Desktop Mode Without a Dock http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/6_Tips_to_Use_the_Steam_Deck_s_Desktop_Mode_Without_a_Dock.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/6_Tips_to_Use_the_Steam_Deck_s_Desktop_Mode_Without_a_Dock.gmi 
[16:40]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 6 Tips to Use the Steam Decks Desktop Mode Without a Dock
[16:41]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: IKEA is back to doing the Easter buffet. 
[16:42]	DaemonFC	I got us tickets for that. I never cook for holidays because there's nobody left.
[16:42]	TR News	 (NEW): The 8 Best DIY Security Camera Apps and Software for Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/The_8_Best_DIY_Security_Camera_Apps_and_Software_for_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/The_8_Best_DIY_Security_Camera_Apps_and_Software_for_Linux.gmi 
[16:42]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines The 8 Best DIY Security Camera Apps and Software for Linux
[16:47]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: too much all at once
[16:47]	schestowitz[TR]	gluttony 
[16:47]	schestowitz[TR]	today we got 310 pounds worth of food
[16:47]	schestowitz[TR]	cost us just 24 pounds
[16:48]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: The IKEA food isn't all that fattening. I've been there before.
[16:49]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/23032158
[16:49]	TR Bot	 WHOOPSIE
[16:49]	DaemonFC	It's mainly very lean fish, ham, some condiments, deviled eggs, Swedish meatballs of course.
[16:49]	DaemonFC	Bork bork bork!
[16:49]	MinceR	resistance is futile.
[16:49]	DaemonFC	MinceR: I am dyslexic of Borg.
[16:49]	DaemonFC	Fusistence is retile.
[16:49]	MinceR	:)
[16:49]	DaemonFC	Your ass will be laminated.
[16:51]	TR News	Forces is a Microsoft toilet bowl. Search "Linux" and get Microsoft Microsoft Microsoft Microsoft Microsoft propaganda instead. https://www.forbes.com/search/?sort=recent&q=linux&sh=501fda29279f
[16:51]	TR Bot	Search
[16:51]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/2023/03/31/1166649732/conspiracy-theory-eating-bugs-4chan
[16:51]	TR Bot	 Why a conspiracy theory about eating insects is gaining ground : NPR
[16:51]	DaemonFC	"The accusations arrived shortly after the European Union approved mealworms and crickets as food ingredients."
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	BillPR uses that straw man a lot
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	probably all that "reptllian" BS
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: did you know people don't like Bill Gates, sponsor of NPR "COZ HE IS REPTILE!!?"
[16:53]	schestowitz[TR]	there are many good reasons to condejn the EU
[16:53]	schestowitz[TR]	and its policies
[16:53]	schestowitz[TR]	inc. in agra
[16:53]	DaemonFC	Well, you've never seen him blink. It's because he blinks sideways.
[16:53]	schestowitz[TR]	and those reasons aren't to do with insect-eating
[16:53]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe BillPR ish shilling some BillCompany
[16:53]	schestowitz[TR]	with a straw man
[16:53]	schestowitz[TR]	looking for the most outlandish things online
[16:54]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: I wonder how much he lost on Bill's Burgers with McDonalds ditching it and Burger King up to closing 2 stores per day now.
[16:54]	schestowitz[TR]	McDonalds growing?
[16:54]	psydroid2	Subsistence is fertile
[16:54]	schestowitz[TR]	where did I hear that?
[16:54]	schestowitz[TR]	sounded improbable
[16:54]	DaemonFC	The CFO of one of the two Bill's Burgers companies biting another man on the ear.
[16:54]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: maybe it was a big fight
[16:54]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: I don't doubt that McDonalds is growing.
[16:54]	schestowitz[TR]	at least he didn't eat his kids
[16:55]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=O2FnsUFD_hU
[16:55]	DaemonFC	The economy sucks and McDonalds is growing at the expense of more expensive restaurants goes the theory.
[16:55]	TR Bot	 Mike Tyson: I wanna Eat his children - Invidious
[16:55]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gbix8pfrBt4
[16:55]	TR Bot	 Mike Tyson - I'll Eat Your Ass - Invidious
[16:55]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=PMERu5hpRcw
[16:55]	TR Bot	 Mike Tyson I wanna eat his heart - Invidious
[16:55]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=N9m_7MkWrxE
[16:55]	TR Bot	 Mike Tyson "I want to eat his children" - Invidious
[16:55]	DaemonFC	McDonalds didn't support their Black-owned franchises with the COVID benefits.
[16:56]	DaemonFC	They not only didn't float them the same loans that White owners were getting, they didn't cut their franchise fees as much.
[16:56]	DaemonFC	The whole point was to have "who they wanted to" re-emerge from the lockdowns and able to continue doing business.
[16:57]	DaemonFC	Bill Gates is tied up into McDonalds pretty tightly.
[16:57]	DaemonFC	His pal Warren Buffett owns a lot of shares and kicks business contract to Bill.
[16:57]	DaemonFC	Like those potato farms that Bill Gates bought up.
[16:58]	schestowitz[TR]	how much has he got left to live?
[16:58]	schestowitz[TR]	20 years?
[16:58]	DaemonFC	Buffett?
[16:58]	schestowitz[TR]	ha
[16:58]	schestowitz[TR]	no way
[16:58]	schestowitz[TR]	billy burger
[16:58]	DaemonFC	You'd think he'd be dead already. 6 cans of Cherry Coke each day?
[16:58]	schestowitz[TR]	no salyt?
[16:58]	schestowitz[TR]	salt
[16:58]	schestowitz[TR]	jackendorsey salt and shitcoins
[16:58]	schestowitz[TR]	eat a coin eat monrning
[16:59]	schestowitz[TR]	and invest in salt water
[16:59]	schestowitz[TR]	right?
[16:59]	schestowitz[TR]	**each morning
[16:59]	DaemonFC	Himalayan Pink Salt, water, and lemon juice.
[16:59]	DaemonFC	I mean, bad for the blood pressure obviously.
[16:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[16:59]	schestowitz[TR]	endorsey by  jack dorsey
[16:59]	schestowitz[TR]	must be something
[16:59]	schestowitz[TR]	he made a company that made deep losses 14 billions
● Apr 02
[17:00]	schestowitz[TR]	and could barely even make money
[17:00]	schestowitz[TR]	just hire more losers
[17:00]	DaemonFC	There's no significant difference between pink salt and regular table salt in sodium content.
[17:00]	schestowitz[TR]	sometimes conned a conman
[17:00]	schestowitz[TR]	into paying 44 billion for that dumpster fire
[17:00]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: Dorsey lucked out on the Greater Fool Theory.
[17:00]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/today_s_howtos.3.gmi 
[17:00]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[17:01]	DaemonFC	No matter what kind of piece of shit you have, you MAY talk someone else into buying it and THEN realizing what they have.
[17:01]	DaemonFC	Like this apartment building.
[17:01]	schestowitz[TR]	haha
[17:01]	schestowitz[TR]	true.. true..
[17:01]	schestowitz[TR]	i saw the photo
[17:01]	schestowitz[TR]	the marketing thing
[17:01]	schestowitz[TR]	sunny day
[17:01]	schestowitz[TR]	clean home
[17:01]	schestowitz[TR]	I'm sure all the unis are superb like that
[17:01]	schestowitz[TR]	families with 2 kids and a lab
[17:01]	schestowitz[TR]	labrador
[17:01]	schestowitz[TR]	not meth lab
[17:01]	DaemonFC	Whoever buys this place had better get a comprehensive inspection and then talk the seller down by at least 40%.
[17:01]	DaemonFC	That's all I'm saying.
[17:02]	DaemonFC	People who get hot to buy are going to be in on major repairs because they didn't look all that hard.
[17:02]	schestowitz[TR]	he did  not show them
[17:02]	schestowitz[TR]	or only selectively show
[17:02]	schestowitz[TR]	the "show room"
[17:02]	schestowitz[TR]	aka "showroom"
[17:02]	schestowitz[TR]	they made it one word
[17:02]	schestowitz[TR]	"dressed to impress"
[17:02]	schestowitz[TR]	tidied up to fool the buyer
[17:02]	DaemonFC	He did not point out "Oh look at all that wood rot where the fucking pipes were dripping under the sink there."
[17:02]	schestowitz[TR]	than you get the real thing
[17:02]	immibis	<DaemonFC> The whole point was to have "who they wanted to" re-emerge from the lockdowns and able to continue doing business. <- the whole of capitalism is like this
[17:03]	schestowitz[TR]	like mandy's "pila' airpods
[17:03]	immibis	capitalism is basically dictatorship but the dictators are whoever has money, instead of a set person
[17:03]	schestowitz[TR]	or at music shops
[17:03]	schestowitz[TR]	you can listen to the CDs
[17:03]	schestowitz[TR]	on $200 hadsets
[17:03]	schestowitz[TR]	then you take it home
[17:03]	schestowitz[TR]	"oh shit"
[17:03]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: I locked the cards and banned Apple transactions from going through.
[17:03]	schestowitz[TR]	"20 dollars for 20 songs, and 19 of them suck"
[17:03]	immibis	Forces is a Microsoft toilet bowl. Search "Linux" and get Microsoft Microsoft Microsoft Microsoft Microsoft propaganda instead. <- it's a capitalist toilet bowl. Linux is meaningless for capitalism, while Microsoft is something you can invest money in.
[17:04]	DaemonFC	Every time you're not watching, he's in the bedroom feeding all of the money on a bank card into Apple games.
[17:04]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah
[17:04]	schestowitz[TR]	tonda trauma
[17:04]	schestowitz[TR]	tondo
[17:04]	schestowitz[TR]	this is BETTA than TONDO
[17:04]	psydroid2	Microsoft is a coin-operated slot machine?
[17:04]	schestowitz[TR]	"IMA DO THIS S**"
[17:04]	DaemonFC	So the bank card got shut off and most of the money is in an account where not only is there no debit cards, there's no checks!
[17:04]	DaemonFC	It's in a CD where I can ask for it back.
[17:05]	schestowitz[TR]	harvesting and saving for winter was a good investment
[17:05]	schestowitz[TR]	helped people survive cold winters
[17:05]	schestowitz[TR]	in resource-rich places
[17:05]	immibis	<DaemonFC> No matter what kind of piece of shit you have, you MAY talk someone else into buying it and THEN realizing what they have. <- actually, since about the dotcom bubble, this is THE way to get rich
[17:05]	schestowitz[TR]	without too much competition over them
[17:05]	schestowitz[TR]	people who don't save perish fast
[17:06]	immibis	you don't get rich by making goods and services any more - you do it by tricking other rich people
[17:06]	schestowitz[TR]	or get exploiited really badly
[17:06]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: No thanks to him, we have enough money that even without another paycheck we could survive a year or more at our current spend rate.
[17:06]	schestowitz[TR]	good
[17:06]	schestowitz[TR]	less stress
[17:06]	DaemonFC	And the vast majority is earning decent interest while it's idle.
[17:06]	schestowitz[TR]	no high blood pressure = no john salinas-like burst nose veins
[17:06]	schestowitz[TR]	whiole sleeping
[17:06]	DaemonFC	I only keep enough in Checking to pay credit cards and the next month's rent.
[17:07]	immibis	you get interest on your savings accounts?
[17:07]	DaemonFC	Yes.
[17:07]	schestowitz[TR]	5%
[17:07]	DaemonFC	4% on the Savings and 5% in CDs.
[17:07]	DaemonFC	6.89% on the bonds right now.
[17:07]	DaemonFC	That resets again in a couple months.
[17:07]	immibis	i have 5% on my NZD CDs and I could potentially get 1.5% on my EUR if I went through the effort of signing up for a *different bank in another country*'s CDs
[17:08]	immibis	but in no instance have I seen a bank offering decent interest on a savings account
[17:08]	DaemonFC	Probably not worth "foreign bank account" reporting.
[17:08]	immibis	it's all europe, i don't think there's special reporting
[17:08]	DaemonFC	In the US, you have to fill out special FATCA paperwork if you have a foreign account.
[17:08]	DaemonFC	It's not illegal but it complicates things.
[17:08]	immibis	that's because the USA is a nazi dictatorship
[17:08]	immibis	all banks ask you if you're a US citizen before signing up
[17:09]	immibis	except the ones in Iran and Cuba, presumably
[17:09]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I have to put down that Mandy isn't but they don't mind as long as he has a green card or the IRS substantial presence test.
[17:09]	DaemonFC	That technically means you could open a US bank account even if you're illegal.
[17:09]	immibis	all *non-US* banks ask if you're a US citizen before signing up
[17:09]	DaemonFC	As long as you've been here 180 out of the past 365 days.
[17:09]	DaemonFC	And have an ITIN.
[17:09]	DaemonFC	Illegals can also file for bankruptcy as long as they have an ITIN.
[17:12]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: I signed up on the Veriff lawsuit yesterday.
[17:12]	DaemonFC	So I should get at least $600 because Uphold took my picture.
[17:12]	schestowitz[TR]	biab
[17:12]	schestowitz[TR]	doing daily links
[17:13]	DaemonFC	I looked up what the fines are for GEICO in this case I filed against them for overcharging.
[17:13]	DaemonFC	Technically, the Department has the authority to fine them up to $10,000 if they refuse to answer the complaint within 3 weeks.
[17:14]	DaemonFC	They also have the authority to fine them up to $10,000 for overcharging me for insurance, and they can also demand records for all of the policyholders in Illinois and fine them for each and every time it happened.
[17:14]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: This could turn into fines in the hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars if the Department determines that the overcharging was illegal and systemic.
[17:15]	DaemonFC	The Department can also go back and order them to refund the improper overage to all of the policy holders.
[17:15]	DaemonFC	I've declared war on the lizard.
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[17:18]	TR Bot	 Links 02/04/2023: Taking Stock of a Week, Including Videos | Techrights
[17:19]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Programming_Leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/Programming_Leftovers.2.gmi 
[17:19]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
[17:19]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/02/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi 
[17:19]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[17:19]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/tumblr-gets-deep-3-30-23-4.jpg
[17:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[17:24]	TR News	This planet us run by robber barons, who control everything including courts. Anything they don't like is "illegal" https://gizmodo.com/internet-archives-ebooks-digital-online-library-harp-1850268222
[17:24]	TR Bot	 A Blow for Libraries: Internet Archive Loses Copyright Infringement Lawsuit
[17:26]	TR News	Craziness on Copyright https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/03/24/craziness-on-copyright/
[17:26]	TR Bot	on Copyright - CounterPunch.org
[17:26]	TR News	Nigeria's laws not written by Nigerians. The copyright cartel decides everything. http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2023/03/nigeria-amends-its-copyright-act-to.html
[17:26]	TR Bot	 Nigeria amends its Copyright Act to ratify outstanding copyright treaties and address other issues - The IPKat
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[17:29]	TR News	Copyrights twisted for censorship, too https://reason.com/volokh/2023/03/28/defamation-and-copyright/
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[17:36]	TR Bot	 Unidentified attackers open fire on office of Albanian broadcaster Top Channel, kill security guard - Committee to Protect Journalists
[17:37]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: so easy even a caveman can scam you
[17:37]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: GEICO has gotten downright nasty to deal with.
[17:37]	schestowitz[TR]	gaay Co.
[17:38]	DaemonFC	They used to have much better customer service.
[17:38]	schestowitz[TR]	now a machine?
[17:38]	schestowitz[TR]	HEY HI chatbot?
[17:38]	DaemonFC	Pretty much. They have this Hey Hi...
[17:38]	schestowitz[TR]	tat does not work?
[17:38]	DaemonFC	Yeah beat me to it.
[17:38]	DaemonFC	You have a claims bot, a bot for making changes to policies.
[17:38]	DaemonFC	They've outsourced everything, fired thousands.
[17:38]	schestowitz[TR]	no, no..
[17:38]	DaemonFC	Takes an hour to hit buttons on the phone and end up talking to someone.
[17:38]	schestowitz[TR]	they make "SAVINGS"
[17:39]	schestowitz[TR]	to "pass the savings to YOU"!!
[17:39]	schestowitz[TR]	you waste your time
[17:39]	DaemonFC	They're still cheaper than the other companies.
[17:39]	schestowitz[TR]	so they can pass the savings...
[17:39]	schestowitz[TR]	yourr time is worthless
[17:39]	DaemonFC	Yeah, they want to preserve that margin in the premiums between them and the competition.
[17:39]	DaemonFC	And so they gut the company in order to do it.
[17:39]	schestowitz[TR]	in my videos where i record calls you can hear british chatbots
[17:39]	schestowitz[TR]	can take 5-10 minutes toi get to an actual person
[17:40]	schestowitz[TR]	and not even the person you aim for
[17:40]	DaemonFC	I suppose I have the "plain midwestern accent".
[17:40]	DaemonFC	Which has been made the default for most of those synthetic voices anyway.
[17:40]	DaemonFC	It's fairly easy to understand.
[17:40]	schestowitz[TR]	which rreminds me
[17:40]	schestowitz[TR]	I need to chase someone..
[17:42]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: Well if GEICO is $85 a month and someone else demands $150-160 a month you do business with GEICO.
[17:42]	DaemonFC	Because I've seen that. A lot of companies don't want your business so they just come back with some outrageous quote so they can say they offered to do business with you.
[17:42]	DaemonFC	But you'd have to be nuts to take it.
[17:43]	DaemonFC	You have "factors" in the "risk models" they say, and some brutalize renters or people who have a bankruptcy on your record.
[17:43]	DaemonFC	So where do you even go?
[17:44]	DaemonFC	GEICO doesn't consider bankruptcy as highly predictive of accident risk, but about half of them weigh it heavily.
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	Complaints now pensions support wrote on 16/03/2023 17:39:
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	> Hi Roy,
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	> 
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	> Thank you for your call today, apologies for the bad communication and 
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	> service you have had from us regarding you concerns with your employer 
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	> Sirius Corporation.
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	Hi, more than 2 weeks have passed. It's now April.
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	> As discussed,.
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	> 
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	>   * I will arrange for a letter to be sent to you and or email with
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	>     assurances that your pension money is safe with Now Pensions
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	This did not happen.
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	My wife received no letter.
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	I received no letter.
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	>   * I will alert the team that deals with your employer that the CEO is
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	>     wanted for embezzlement and that he effectively scammed all his
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	>     employers previously through a pension scheme with Standard Life
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	Has that happened?" I heard nothing.
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	>   * they put on hold/review any financial requests from the company
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	>   * request what due diligence they do when acquiring employers to use
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	>     NOW Pensions
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	I still received no communications, no letters, nothing.
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	> Please feel free to add to the above list with any further assurances 
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	> that you would like and call or email me.
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	I don't see the point to be honest. It does not seem like you did anything at all, i.e. it has been the same with you since January. 
[17:44]	schestowitz[TR]	Please arrange for my wife and I to collect our pensions with an "unauthorisedd" (heavily tax) withdrawal. I will advise colleagues accordingly.
[17:45]	DaemonFC	So if you've had a bankruptcy in the past 7 years, you effectively can't do business with half the car insurance companies because you can't afford them.
[17:45]	MinceR	"Are you Serious?"
[17:45]	DaemonFC	Next month will be 3 years since the bankruptcy.
[17:46]	DaemonFC	They stay on your credit report for 10 years, but the accounts that went into bankruptcy are all gone within 7 years. Often a bit sooner.
[17:47]	DaemonFC	So the way that works is the bankrupt accounts factor into the "total size" of the bankruptcy and are the main factor in "how bad" it looks on your credit.
[17:47]	DaemonFC	I got lucky because I got the car deleted from the credit report by stating that the loan was reaffirmed by John so it should no longer count against me and they were reporting false information.
[17:47]	DaemonFC	So about $20,000 of it disappeared then and there and my FICO went up about 12 points.
[17:48]	DaemonFC	It's not nothing. :P
[17:48]	DaemonFC	You come out of bankruptcy with a FICO of about 540, but no credit history, so it basically forces you to jump through hoops taking on credit cards or fake loans to build up some accounts.
[17:49]	DaemonFC	Because landlords want to see 600-650 to rent apartments usually.
[17:53]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: I used to eat at IKEA a lot. They have a cheap cafe there.
[17:53]	DaemonFC	It's to lure people into the store to shop.
[17:54]	DaemonFC	This Easter buffet is the same price it was in 2018.
[17:54]	DaemonFC	They haven't raised the price even though I'm sure the stuff costs them a lot more than it did.
[17:59]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: CNN changed the headline for an app with spyware in it from "CHINA SPYWARE APP THREAT" to "DATA SECURITY THREAT" very quickly.
[17:59]	DaemonFC	They yank down the racist and offensive stuff after one of the bosses sees it I guess?
● Apr 02
[18:01]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: doing a post re pension
[18:02]	immibis	DaemonFC: why do you use "illegal" as a noun?
[18:03]	DaemonFC	Quite common here.
[18:03]	DaemonFC	"Illegal immigrant"
[18:03]	DaemonFC	People who show up and just decide they're here now and they never file any paperwork.
[18:04]	DaemonFC	Some "migrant farm worker" with "no papers" impregnated a CNA my mother works with. Apparently, the guy and all his buddies take turns on the same hooker down at the farm, you know.
[18:04]	DaemonFC	And she's now on welfare, and the baby is automatically an American, and "dad" is too dumb to even realize he's got the golden ticket now because that qualifies him to adjust status.
[18:05]	DaemonFC	So he's down on the farm with no papers banging the shared hooker.
[18:05]	DaemonFC	No other country allows trash like this to stay very long.
[18:05]	immibis	The correct term is "illegal person"
[18:06]	DaemonFC	Much less to use their citizens as baby incubators for chain migration.
[18:06]	DaemonFC	Of course, like I said, he isn't that smart.
[18:06]	DaemonFC	He's already got her pregnant, he might as well make it right and get married and then what are they going to do if they find him?
[18:06]	DaemonFC	Nothing.
[18:07]	DaemonFC	Right now, he has a one way ticket back to Mexico if they get him in a round up.
[18:07]	DaemonFC	Absolute best case, he'll never be an American citizen or green card holder with an earnings record, so no Social Security and no Medicare.
[18:08]	DaemonFC	So even if they don't catch him, he'll wish he'd made this right in about 45 years or so.
[18:08]	DaemonFC	When he's worked under the table and doesn't qualify for anything.
[18:08]	DaemonFC	Social Security is only for Americans and Green Card holders with an earnings record.
[18:09]	DaemonFC	Mandy will have enough work credits to have bought into Disability Insurance here in about another year.
[18:09]	DaemonFC	And retirement after about another 6 years.
[18:09]	TR News	NOW: Pensions Has Offered 3 Months of Lies, Even From the Trust Administration Team (John Pattinson) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/04/02/nowpensions-means-no-pensions/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/04/02/nowpensions-means-no-pensions/
[18:09]	TR Bot	 NOW: Pensions Has Offered 3 Months of Lies, Even From the Trust Administration Team (John Pattinson) | Techrights
[18:09]	DaemonFC	But he could also file based on my earnings record if we were married for at least 10 years and I die.
[18:10]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Saturday, April 01, 2023 http://techrights.org/2023/04/02/irc-log-010423/
[18:10]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Saturday, April 01, 2023 | Techrights
[18:10]	DaemonFC	So even if he's not paid in fully, as long as we were married for a decade, he could file and get mine.
[18:10]	DaemonFC	Or if mine would be higher, he could file based on mine instead of his if I'm dead.
[18:11]	DaemonFC	Social Security is designed like that on purpose.
[18:11]	DaemonFC	Typically, men die earlier and women have a lower earnings record.
[18:11]	DaemonFC	To prevent the lower earning spouse from slipping into dire poverty, they allow them to file on the higher earning spouse if something happens to that person.
[18:12]	DaemonFC	I wonder what the UK system is like.
[18:12]	DaemonFC	I know Canada is bragging that their system is "solvent".
[18:12]	DaemonFC	The average benefit check is also about $700 less a month.
[18:12]	DaemonFC	So there's that.
[18:13]	DaemonFC	Most countries keep it functional by cutting and raising the claim age.
[18:13]	DaemonFC	As long as you never pay the money, it's fine.
[18:13]	DaemonFC	:)
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[18:13]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: I think that's why you're so furious over this private pension.
[18:14]	immibis	The proper way to keep it solvent is to lower payouts and lower the cost of living.
[18:14]	immibis	That money that comes out of the fund goes straight into corporate profits.
[18:14]	DaemonFC	Even after you adjust for Medicare premiums that Canadians don't pay, ours still pays over $500 a month more on average.
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[18:15]	DaemonFC	Yeah, Europeans brag about everything.
[18:15]	DaemonFC	Strangely not about their electric going up 900% in a single year.
[18:15]	DaemonFC	$13 for HALF a pound of butter.
[18:15]	DaemonFC	($7.47 for a full pound in the US).
[18:16]	DaemonFC	Fuck Europe.
[18:16]	DaemonFC	I wouldn't live there if you doubled my household income because you'd still need more to make up for these incredibly stupid politicians they have running everything.
[18:17]	DaemonFC	CNN did an entire article about the collapse of the French baguette shops.
[18:17]	DaemonFC	Complaining mainly about their electric.
[18:18]	DaemonFC	One said it was $900 for their electric in December, then in January they "renewed their contract", whatever that means.
[18:18]	DaemonFC	And it was almost $8,500.
[18:18]	DaemonFC	But then the government came in with a bailout so it was "only" $4,500.
[18:19]	DaemonFC	They're in shock because they trusted a mad man that runs a terrorist state for their cheap electricity instead of keeping coal and nuclear power.
[18:19]	DaemonFC	Now it's all gone and their economies are dying.
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[18:20]	immibis	they chose to run their shop on russian gas
[18:20]	DaemonFC	Bad decision.
[18:20]	immibis	if it was up to me, I'd let everyone who bought renewable energy in 2021 keep paying 2021's prices, and everyone else should have to pay for the non-renewable energy they signed up for
[18:21]	immibis	they fucked around by trying to use fossil fuels to save a buck, so they can find out
[18:23]	immibis	you know, the energy companies that are like "we use 100% renewable energy" but it costs more. If you signed up for that you should get first dibs on the low-cost renewable energy.
[18:23]	immibis	and last dibs on the russian gas
[18:23]	DaemonFC	Yeah, Illinois has those renewable energy contract.
[18:23]	DaemonFC	But all it does is cost you more.
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[18:23]	TR Bot	 Asking NOW: Pensions for a Very Simple Letter for 3 Months | Techrights
[18:23]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: ^
[18:25]	immibis	DaemonFC: I'm sure you'll be happy that if Saudi Arabia decides to stop selling oil, YOUR price will go through the roof while your neighbour's won't because he bought the renewable energy contract
[18:25]	immibis	right? you should get what you dserve
[18:25]	DaemonFC	We don't generate electricity from oil.
[18:26]	DaemonFC	There are other options to render gasoline. It doesn't even have to be from oil.
[18:26]	DaemonFC	If the price gets high enough, that becomes a profitable option.
[18:26]	immibis	what is it generated from, then?
[18:26]	DaemonFC	You can render coal into gasoline if you have to.
[18:26]	DaemonFC	We've got plenty of that.
[18:26]	immibis	why are you telling me this
[18:27]	immibis	If the fossil fuels stop, your price should go through the roof, but not your neighbour's who was buying renewable the whole time
[18:27]	DaemonFC	There's really no such thing as renewable power in Illinois.
[18:27]	immibis	then i guess you'll all pay through the roof
[18:27]	DaemonFC	When you look at the lifecycle and crappy generating potential of wind and solar "farms".
[18:27]	DaemonFC	Not really.
[18:27]	DaemonFC	We mostly use nuclear power.
[18:28]	DaemonFC	It's why we pay less for electricity than most states.
[18:29]	DaemonFC	Illinois still runs some coal plants as long as they have plenty of years left on their operating permits and are modern enough that they comply with the EPA's requirements.
[18:29]	DaemonFC	Some have closed.
[18:29]	DaemonFC	But it hasn't had much of an effect on rates.
[18:29]	DaemonFC	The one about a mile from my apartment shut down a few months ago.
[18:29]	immibis	what if there was no coal tomorrow
[18:29]	DaemonFC	It was very old and inefficient and hard to modernize.
[18:30]	DaemonFC	Well, we mine our own coal and I doubt we're going to declare war on ourselves and cut it off.
[18:30]	immibis	the coal billionaires might stop selling it to you
[18:30]	DaemonFC	We have the potential to extract more oil than we do now.
[18:30]	DaemonFC	Biden just auctioned off a ton of plots in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico.
[18:30]	immibis	they might suddenly realize you would pay out the wazoo for coal if they raised the price
[18:30]	immibis	the earth might become uninhabitable
[18:31]	DaemonFC	Mexico could be extracting more oil, but they have a shitty corrupt state-owned oil company.
[18:31]	immibis	but i know you're happy to literally murder me as long as your electricity is slightly cheaper
[18:31]	DaemonFC	So they've flatlined as to how much they can extract.
[18:32]	DaemonFC	Most of these disasters don't affect me much. We're nowhere near any ocean.
[18:32]	DaemonFC	You'd think that people would stop building things so close to the shore.
[18:33]	immibis	what disasters
[18:33]	DaemonFC	Much of the "increase" in damages in dollar terms are they aren't adjusting the dollar loss amount to inflation, and they've built more stuff there and valued it higher.
[18:33]	DaemonFC	It's not climate change. It's just stupidity and bad accounting practices.
[18:33]	immibis	what are you talking about 
[18:33]	DaemonFC	The hurricanes.
[18:34]	immibis	who said anything about hurricanes
[18:34]	DaemonFC	Every year, the midwest gets outbreaks of tornadoes, dozens of them.
[18:34]	DaemonFC	Then suddenly something that's been known to happen for hundreds of years is "climate change".
[18:35]	DaemonFC	They censor anything saying it isn't from search results.
[18:35]	DaemonFC	You're not allowed to read anything that says it isn't, which really helps the credibility, that they just "tweak" algorithms to hide everything except "Bill says".
[18:35]	immibis	https://www.c2es.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/us-tornado-activity.png
[18:37]	DaemonFC	BIng and Google are psyop campaigns.
[18:38]	DaemonFC	They're designed to make it seem like everyone agrees with whatever their algorithms show you.
[18:38]	DaemonFC	If anyone develops a forum or search they don't control it's "terrorist tech", according to the SPLC.
[18:39]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: ^
[18:39]	DaemonFC	Remember that?
[18:39]	DaemonFC	:)
[18:49]	schestowitz[TR]	splc
[18:50]	schestowitz[TR]	neo-splc
[18:50]	schestowitz[TR]	apologists of terror
[18:50]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/2023/04/02/959184720/ryuichi-sakamoto-a-godfather-of-electronic-pop-has-died
[18:50]	TR Bot	 Ryuichi Sakamoto of Yellow Magic Orchestra dies at 71 : NPR
[18:51]	DaemonFC	"akamoto went on to score such films as Bernardo Bertolucci's The Last Emperor (1987) for which he won an Oscar, a Golden Globe and a Grammy, along with co-composers David Byrne and Chinese composer Cong Su"
[18:51]	DaemonFC	*Sakamoto
[18:51]	DaemonFC	I actually ended up watching that movie because I noticed who did the soundtrack.
[18:51]	DaemonFC	The movie was actually quite good.
[18:52]	DaemonFC	It was actually the Japanese that treated him very badly. They turned him into a puppet and murdered his child and wife.
[18:52]	DaemonFC	He figured that they were a way back into power, and he actually had no power.
[18:53]	DaemonFC	The Communists in China didn't treat him that badly after the end of the Japanese occupation.
[18:53]	DaemonFC	The Japanese figured they would win the war eventually and they didn't want him to have any heirs.
[18:54]	DaemonFC	He kept trying to convince himself that he was actually a head of state.
[18:57]	DaemonFC	I think the Chinese didn't really see the need to kill Puyi because he had no real power anyway and if they created a martyr it could make trouble.
[18:57]	DaemonFC	Better to just wait and let him die of old age.
[18:57]	DaemonFC	Like everyone does if they live long enough.
[18:58]	DaemonFC	I'm sure they had a close eye on him.
[18:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
● Apr 02
[19:01]	DaemonFC	It's interesting that the Russians didn't try to keep Manchuria for themselves.
[19:01]	DaemonFC	The Chinese military wouldn't have really been able to stop them.
[19:03]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: This pulling out nearly WWII-era tanks thing is ridiculous.
[19:03]	DaemonFC	Ukraine operates a very heavily upgraded variant, about 28 of them.
[19:04]	DaemonFC	But they have modernized fire control, gun stabilization, reactive composite armor.
[19:04]	DaemonFC	I actually think they replaced the entire gun for that matter, with a British model that was designed to destroy those old T-55s.
[19:05]	DaemonFC	They modified the engine so it's rated at 600 horsepower instead of the Russian ones with 500, which increases the top speed to about 46 miles per hour, up from 38, which is comparable to a modern tank.
[19:06]	DaemonFC	A lot of countries inherited large stocks of old Soviet-era tanks, but they didn't just mothball them like the Russians did.
[19:06]	DaemonFC	They massively upgraded them because it's cheaper to do a modernization program than it is to build new tanks. But the Russians are sending these things in with their original specs from the 40s and 50s.
[19:07]	DaemonFC	I think the Russians will be sorry they did this.
[19:07]	DaemonFC	There's almost nothing there in the way of armor protecting the tank crews.
[19:07]	MinceR	depends on which russians
[19:07]	MinceR	putler doesn't care
[19:08]	DaemonFC	There's not even an autoloader.
[19:08]	MinceR	the underlings have been sorry for at least a year
[19:08]	DaemonFC	So you need an extra person in there to load shells.
[19:08]	MinceR	putler can only be made sorry by capturing him and torturing and/or executing him
[19:14]	DaemonFC	https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2023/04/02/two-men-accused-of-robbing-jewelry-kiosk-at-gunpoint-at-belvidere-mall-in-waukegan/
[19:15]	TR Bot	 Two men accused of robbing jewelry kiosk at gunpoint at Belvidere Mall in Waukegan
[19:15]	DaemonFC	Prosecutor : Lincoln Sternn, you stand here accused of 12 counts of murder in the first degree, 14 counts of armed theft of Federation property, 22 counts of piracy in high space, 18 counts of fraud, 37 counts of rape... 
[19:16]	DaemonFC	 [pauses to check the criminal record] 
[19:16]	DaemonFC	Prosecutor : ...and one moving violation. How do you plead? 
[19:16]	MinceR	:)
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[19:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[19:24]	DaemonFC	Cristofer Y. Ixmay-Vicente, 19, of Waukegan, was charged with one count of aggravated robbery indicating a firearm, operating an uninsured motor vehicle, no valid registration and driving without a license.
[19:24]	DaemonFC	MinceR: Ixmay on the Vicente-hay.
[19:25]	DaemonFC	Most prosecutors pile on all these extra charges once they have you on something really bad.
[19:26]	DaemonFC	It dials up the pressure to plead guilty to something to get the rest to go away.
[19:26]	DaemonFC	I always get my vehicle registered about 5-6 months before it's even due.
[19:27]	DaemonFC	Sometimes on the 2nd of January, the first day they have the stickers.
[19:27]	DaemonFC	The fine for getting pulled over without the current sticker is pretty steep, and then you also have to go buy the sticker, obviously.
[19:28]	DaemonFC	Usually if you miss multiple years and don't get pulled over somehow, you have to prove that you had the car garaged and didn't drive it on any public streets or else they'll go back each year and force you to pay that year, plus a late fee equal to 100% of the sticker for that year.
[19:28]	MinceR	:)
[19:29]	DaemonFC	It works that way with city stickers too.
[19:29]	DaemonFC	It gets expensive to break the law.
[19:29]	DaemonFC	Or in some cases, to allegedly have broken the law.
[19:30]	DaemonFC	I'm surprised that GULAG didn't realize you could take a plea deal and enter a no contest plea and avoid any sort of conviction sometimes.
[19:30]	DaemonFC	It depends on what the prosecutor really wants to do with this.
[19:31]	DaemonFC	He keeps insisting that Roy did something wrong by reporting on the Microsoft Strangler.
[19:31]	DaemonFC	As long as that record is a public arrest record, you can say the guy was arrested.
[19:32]	DaemonFC	The only way Graveley could demand that Roy take it down is if a court expunged the arrest record.
[19:32]	DaemonFC	As long as you're only reporting it as what the public record reflects, you haven't done anything wrong or actionable.
[19:33]	DaemonFC	For example, if Mr. GULAG said I was arrested or convicted, that's defamation at this point.
[19:33]	DaemonFC	Because he'd be reporting something that didn't happen according to the public records.
[19:34]	DaemonFC	So basically if I go applying for apartments and they report anything, I have grounds for suing that background check company.
[19:35]	DaemonFC	Reputation harm, slander, costs of having to continue my apartment search, etc.
[19:35]	DaemonFC	They'd also be liable for action from state regulators for violating the relevant statutes on reporting false information.
[19:52]	phanes	<psydroid2> you can say yuhong bai bai to your (creative) freedom if you choose Kroah-Hartmanux as the base of your distro <--- it should actually be quite non-problematic to swap out a linux kernel with a bsd kernel in Pyrois
[19:53]	phanes	or use a librekernel etc
[19:55]	XRevan86	https://pine64.org/2023/04/01/march-update-tablet-bonanza/ RISC-V
[19:55]	TR Bot	 March Update: Tablet Bonanza! | PINE64
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[20:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[20:20]	t0talist	didn't follow the discussion
[20:21]	t0talist	anyway, phanes, which compiler/toolchain to swap out then?
[20:22]	t0talist	of cause, swapping kernel isn't as trivial as a bootloader jmp main("hello world");
[20:22]	t0talist	but even for this, you need a compiler/assembler/linker
[20:23]	t0talist	it's stating the obvious, nonetheless, the problems involved, are greatly understimated
[20:26]	phanes	depends on what you're swapping it out for tbh.  different bsd's have different kernels, build systems, supported architectures etc.  but you'd probably also have to swap out the systemd unit for a more bsd-friendly init system
[20:26]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/tumblr-gets-deep-3-30-23-5.jpg
[20:26]	phanes	none of that is terribly difficult
[20:27]	t0talist	well, my system is init=/bin/sh with a while loop spawning gettys; that's a non-issue
[20:27]	t0talist	however, the compiler/toolchain choice, among *nix/bsd etc.. isn't trivial
[20:28]	phanes	im not sure why you wouldn't just continue to to use gcc
[20:28]	t0talist	well, i am using gcc/binutils still... an old version of it, which i want to abandon too
[20:29]	phanes	ok, well, that is a different problem than you were talking about
[20:29]	t0talist	phanes: well, why would anyone want to abandon it
[20:30]	t0talist	the entire toolchain from GNU, from Mapple llvm whichever version
[20:30]	t0talist	why would any sane developer want to abandon those?
[20:30]	phanes	well, honestly i see it.  gcc is spaghetti.  llvm is really quite promising.
[20:31]	phanes	clang and all that
[20:31]	t0talist	with either you may say "bai bai to your (creative) freedom if you choose" any
[20:31]	phanes	yeah there is a license issue
[20:31]	t0talist	i am not worried about either licensing of them
[20:32]	phanes	you sound like you have a point
[20:32]	phanes	i just dont see that you've actually expressed it 
[20:34]	t0talist	i am not saying, for example, tcc-toolchain (it's a compiler/linker/assembler, that's why i call it toolchain)
[20:35]	t0talist	i am not saying it's perfect for everything
[20:35]	t0talist	however, creating a set of cross-compilers/linkers with it, requires less than 5 minutes to compile
[20:35]	t0talist	that's just one aspect
[20:35]	phanes	ok
[20:36]	t0talist	if i need to test various versions of any compiler for whatever reason
[20:36]	AdmFubar	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/10-year-old-windows-bug-with-opt-in-fix-exploited-in-3cx-attack/
[20:36]	TR Bot	 10-year-old Windows bug with 'opt-in' fix exploited in 3CX attack
[20:36]	t0talist	and then, the fun begins, which freedom of choice remains, with *BSD/GNU their kernels and toolchains
[20:36]	t0talist	which are vendor-locked, bloated and obfuscated beyond repair
[20:36]	t0talist	and written in c++ besides, to accomplish even more bloat in particular
[20:37]	phanes	what
[20:37]	phanes	sorry i didn't realize you were completely full of shit
[20:37]	t0talist	it's none of mine
[20:37]	AdmFubar	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-money-message-ransomware-demands-million-dollar-ransoms/
[20:37]	TR Bot	 New Money Message ransomware demands million dollar ransoms
[20:39]	AdmFubar	https://www.darkreading.com/cloud/the-fda-medical-device-cybersecurity-overhaul-real-teeth
[20:39]	TR Bot	 The FDA's Medical Device Cybersecurity Overhaul Has Real Teeth
[20:39]	AdmFubar	https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint/automatic-officlal-updates-malicious-3cx-enterprises
[20:39]	TR Bot	 Automatic Updates Deliver Malicious 3CX 'Upgrades' to Enterprises
[20:40]	t0talist	99% of the advertisements from techrights-news here, refer to software and hardware products, which can't detangle from the mentioned bloatware from GNU/BSD and the entities behind controlling them
[20:41]	t0talist	simple test: CC=tcc LD=tcc AS=tcc AR=tcc ... and see how far you'll get, with any of the free malware
[20:41]	t0talist	i mean, it's fast, compile-time it's 10x faster than llvm/gnu; and as a sanity check, it's not too much to ask for
[20:42]	psydroid2	I don't read 99% of techrights-news
[20:43]	t0talist	and there's is other compilers/linkers/assemblers/binutils available, for x86 in particular, to see how awesome GNU/BSD really are
[20:43]	psydroid2	but someone must like reading it, I suppose
[20:43]	phanes	it has potential
[20:43]	phanes	he has a hard time distinguishing his feelings from facts
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[20:47]	AdmFubar	https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/03/what-made-pre-elon-musk-twitter-relevant
[20:47]	TR Bot	 Without Verification, What Is the Point of Elon Musks Twitter? | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[20:49]	AdmFubar	iphone user can now go both ways  https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/samsungs-new-web-app-turns-your-iphone-into-a-galaxy-s23
[20:49]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/samsungs-new-web-app-turns-your-iphone-into-a-galaxy-s23 )
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● Apr 02
[21:05]	DaemonFC	SeaMonkey 2.53.16 is released.
[21:05]	DaemonFC	I was told that the actual changes "number in the thousands".
[21:05]	DaemonFC	They're not real good about maintaining the release notes, so those can be misleading.
[21:05]	AdmFubar	https://ffii.org/unified-patent-court-will-replace-its-judges-and-lawyers-with-ai-to-make-justice-finally-affordable-to-smes/
[21:05]	TR Bot	 Unified Patent Court will replace its judges and lawyers with AI to make justice finally affordable to SMEs | FFII
[21:08]	MinceR	lol
[21:08]	MinceR	the UPC and justice
[21:10]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/tumblr-gets-deep-3-30-23-7.jpg
[21:10]	DaemonFC	I was surprised at the sheer amount of Netscape-era mail and news code that got dumped this release cycle.
[21:10]	DaemonFC	And all to support some weird Sun calendar thing that hasn't even been used by anyone in years.
[21:16]	AdmFubar	i thought you'd be amused
[21:16]	AdmFubar	https://free.law/2023/03/28/relaunching-big-cases-and-bots-dot-law
[21:16]	TR Bot	 Relaunching the Big Cases Bot and The RoadAhead | Free Law Project | Making the legal ecosystem more equitable and competitive.
[21:17]	DaemonFC	I can't wait for people to show up in court arguing motions that some chat bot hallucinated.
[21:18]	DaemonFC	I mean some of it might work, but it's going to lead to some awkwardness when the judge informs the person that's not how this works and they insist that ChatGPT knows more than the judge.
[21:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[21:20]	DaemonFC	I had ChatGPT write up a Complaint against GEICO but I gave it about a paragraph of the things I wanted it to say and let it fill in the rest as sort of a form letter. It's okay as an autocomplete if you read what it actually produces.
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[21:36]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: On the contrary, there's plenty of legal precedent that it's not defamatory to say someone was arrested even if that arrest has since been expunged
[21:36]	mjg59_	As a matter of law, the arrest may not have happened. That doesn't mean it didn't happen as a matter of fact.
[21:36]	DaemonFC	It actually is defamatory.
[21:36]	DaemonFC	Illinois law says reporting an expunged arrest record gives the victim grounds to sue for monetary damages.
[21:37]	mjg59_	There may be other laws that come into play here! That doesn't make it defamation
[21:38]	DaemonFC	Well, for starters if you're a credit reporting bureau of any kind, you've violated federal law, which opens up the door to even more damages than the victim can get in state court.
[21:38]	DaemonFC	But they can sue you for both, of course.
[21:38]	mjg59_	I am, in fact, not a credit reporting bureau
[21:38]	DaemonFC	Well, that still leaves state law.
[21:39]	mjg59_	State law that binds individual speech, rather than prohibiting use of information under certain circumstances?
[21:39]	DaemonFC	I was simply saying that if it was a credit reporting bureau or tenant screening company, it also violates the FACT Act and the Fair Housing Act. (both in the case of tenant screening companies)
[21:40]	DaemonFC	In addition to being defamatory.
[21:40]	mjg59_	It's not defamatory
[21:40]	DaemonFC	It is.
[21:40]	mjg59_	Since it's true to say that someone whose arrest was expunged was arrested
[21:40]	phanes	i love how the only confirmed defamer in the channel has such nuanced opinions about what constitutes defamation or not, sounds like someone's been spending alot of time looking up ways to try to get around defamation law to meet the spirit of defamation without its consequences
[21:41]	phanes	dude is full of snakes
[21:41]	DaemonFC	" it is possible to sue someone for defamation if they make false statements about you that damage your reputation. If you were arrested in Illinois but the arrest was expunged, then the arrest record is no longer public information. Therefore, if someone were to say that you were arrested, they would be making a false statement. If that false statement caused you to suffer damages, such as...
[21:41]	DaemonFC	...emotional distress or lost employment opportunities, then you may be able to sue the person who made the statement for defamation."
[21:42]	phanes	DaemonFC, the problem with defamation is it has such a short time limit to sue
[21:43]	DaemonFC	So yes, in addition to the credit and housing laws, there's a defamation case in it. Of course, since Graveley never expunged his arrest record, it is still public information in Texas.
[21:43]	DaemonFC	Therefore, true.
[21:43]	phanes	by the time you can quantify damages its usually too late to sue someone when they defame you
[21:43]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Uh-huh. And can you point at the cases where that has worked out?
[21:43]	phanes	in the absence of judicial justice i advocate frontier justice
[21:43]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: (And where's that claim even from?)
[21:44]	DaemonFC	"Sure. Here are a few cases where someone has successfully sued for defamation due to reporting an expunged arrest in the United States:
[21:44]	DaemonFC	    In the case of Glover v. Jefferson County Newspapers, Inc., 734 So. 2d 1084 (Ala. 1999), a man sued a newspaper for reporting that he had been arrested for drug possession. The man had been arrested, but the charges were later dropped. The man argued that the newspaper's report was false and defamatory, and he was awarded $100,000 in damages.
[21:44]	DaemonFC	    In the case of Simmons v. City of New York, 98 N.Y.2d 248 (1990), a woman sued a website for reporting that she had been arrested for prostitution. The woman had been arrested, but the charges were later dropped. The woman argued that the website's report was false and defamatory, and she was awarded $250,000 in damages.
[21:44]	DaemonFC	    In the case of Barnes v. Yahoo! Inc., 570 F.3d 1096 (9th Cir. 2009), a man sued a website for reporting that he had been arrested for child pornography. The man had been arrested, but the charges were later dropped. The man argued that the website's report was false and defamatory, and he was awarded $75,000 in damages.
[21:44]	DaemonFC	It is important to note that these are just a few examples, and the outcome of any particular case will depend on the specific facts and circumstances involved. If you are considering suing someone for defamation due to reporting an expunged arrest, it is important to speak with an experienced attorney to discuss your case and your legal options."
[21:44]	mjg59_	Are you seriously asking ChatGPT
[21:45]	mjg59_	Because I'm pretty sure those cases don't exist
[21:45]	DaemonFC	"    In the case of Brogan v. Missouri, 483 S.W.3d 716 (Mo. Ct. App. 2016), a man sued the state of Missouri for reporting that he had been arrested for drug possession. The man had been arrested, but the charges were later expunged. The man argued that the state's report was false and defamatory, and he was awarded $100,000 in damages.
[21:45]	DaemonFC	    In the case of Crawford v. City of San Diego, 2017 WL 4108783 (S.D. Cal. 2017), a man sued the city of San Diego for reporting that he had been arrested for domestic violence. The man had been arrested, but the charges were later expunged. The man argued that the city's report was false and defamatory, and he was awarded $250,000 in damages.
[21:45]	DaemonFC	    In the case of Ramos v. Google, 2018 WL 4025444 (N.D. Cal. 2018), a man sued Google for reporting that he had been arrested for drug possession. The man had been arrested, but the charges were later expunged. The man argued that Google's report was false and defamatory, and he was awarded $75,000 in damages."
[21:45]	mjg59_	Dude.
[21:45]	mjg59_	Come the fuck on.
[21:45]	MinceR	Dude!
[21:45]	mjg59_	These cases literally don't exist.
[21:46]	MinceR	Brains!
[21:46]	psydroid2	Gulag!
[21:47]	mjg59_	Here's a case that really does exist! "G.D. v. Bernard Kenny and The Hudson County Democratic Organization, Inc."
[21:47]	phanes	i think the more important question is "why do I and everyone around me spend so much time trying to justify things as not being defamation that are clearly defamatory"
[21:48]	phanes	https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/
[21:48]	TR Bot	 Index of /database/Garrett, Matthew
[21:48]	mjg59_	Turns out criticising people isn't defamation, Chris
[21:49]	phanes	no but defaming them with false accusations is
[21:49]	phanes	or using color of wording to imply criminal activity where there is none on non-public individuals
[21:49]	DaemonFC	If a court has ruled that an arrest never happened, then claiming it happened is a false statement and designed to cause someone's reputation to be harmed.
[21:50]	phanes	it also carries the color of guilt DaemonFC  
[21:50]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: A court can rule that an arrest didn't occur *as it pertains to the law*, but it can't retroactively alter history
[21:50]	DaemonFC	If anyone continues to report it on a background check, they're in deep shit.
[21:51]	phanes	DaemonFC, one thing serial defamers rely on like a drug is using innuendo and to communicate to people defamation that they know they cannot say directly, so, they'll use the color of language to give any idiot the same impression as having directly said it
[21:51]	mjg59_	The law can also forbid the use of expunged arrest information under various circumstances
[21:51]	phanes	s/and//
[21:52]	mjg59_	But it would obviously be a free speech issue to forbid someone who saw someone being arrested for saying so, even if the arrest was later expunged
[21:52]	phanes	like, for example, calling a satire act "identity theft" to give idiots the impression of felony activity
[21:53]	mjg59_	phanes: Does you saying that I engaged in defamation imply that you believe I engaged in illegal activity?
[21:53]	phanes	instead of calling it "identity theft", according to our resident bag of snakes, you can just say "stole someone's identity to harass" and suddenly the color of the description implies the same meaning without having said the name of the crime you intend to falsely convey
[21:53]	DaemonFC	TransUnion can't report court supervision in the first place.
[21:54]	DaemonFC	They got sued big time for that and decided to just quit reporting it at all, even if underlying records existed somewhere.
[21:54]	phanes	mjg59_, i think any person above about an 8th grade reading level would find it fairly obvious that you're a habitual liar that harms people with false words and innuendo
[21:54]	mjg59_	phanes: Do you believe that I'm breaking the law?
[21:54]	DaemonFC	What about Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
[21:55]	psydroid2	she turned into a vampire herself in the end
[21:55]	phanes	i think anyone who spends any time looking into it will also find that you do this deliberately, mjg59_, with alot of time and attention spent looking for ways to do it that would allow you to claim technicalities to escape accountability for it
[21:55]	mjg59_	phanes: Do you believe that I'm breaking the law?
[21:56]	phanes	i believe you've caused actional damages to people repeatedly for most of your career, though I would treat that as civil tort and not criminal
[21:56]	phanes	*actionable
[21:57]	phanes	if everyone who has different objectives than you has to have a community fund for legal pursuits in case you target them, then you might just be a bag of snakes
[21:57]	mjg59_	phanes: Well, yes, defamation is generally understood to be a matter of civil law
[21:58]	mjg59_	phanes: But cool! I'm glad that you admit that you're accusing me of having violated civil law. Would you say that this is a statement of fact or a statement of opinion?
[21:59]	phanes	honestly the radical leftist crowd you associate with is hallmarked by acts of targeting innocents with defamation, particularly on social media in like situations, so, it's not as outrageous as i make it sound -- i think probably the part I dislike is you're childish lack of accountability for it based on your faulty perception of what that person's social standing is
[21:59]	mjg59_	I mean, it doesn't really matter here, under any realistic standards I'd probably be held as a limited public figure, and there's no realistic chance that I'd be able to demonstrate active malice against you here
● Apr 02
[22:00]	phanes	you're missing the point entirely
[22:00]	phanes	im currently not speaking about law.  im speaking of your morality and character.  you're a bag of snakes.
[22:00]	mjg59_	Well, no, this is me saying that you accusing me of violating the law doesn't meet the standard of defamation, regardless of its factual basis
[22:00]	DaemonFC	It would be true if you said that someone who had their record SEALED had been arrested or convicted.
[22:00]	DaemonFC	But with expungement, that isn't true anymore.
[22:01]	MinceR	this is an insult to snakes
[22:01]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Ok, find a case that backs you up here.
[22:01]	DaemonFC	A record sealing means that the records still exist, it just makes it impossible for the public to look at them through the court's computer system or by asking the clerk.
[22:01]	phanes	mjg59_, look, if the end result of your statement is a false impression to tens of thousands of people that a felony was committed by someone, then you've absolutely defamed someone in every sense that matters.
[22:01]	DaemonFC	Expungement means the records are destroyed and it no longer actually happened, meaning it would be a lie to report that it did at that point.
[22:02]	DaemonFC	Getting a record sealed doesn't reverse a conviction, it just reduces the number of people who can look at it.
[22:02]	mjg59_	phanes: I think you'd be hard pressed to find tens of thousands of people who interpreted my tweet as asserting you'd committed a felony
[22:02]	DaemonFC	It can still show up on background checks sometimes, depending on the context.
[22:02]	DaemonFC	So a sealing isn't great, but it's better than nothing.
[22:02]	mjg59_	phanes: I think you'd be hard pressed to find one
[22:02]	mjg59_	(other than yourself)
[22:03]	DaemonFC	For example, if you were going to work at a nursing home but had a conviction for domestic or elder abuse.
[22:03]	phanes	i think you know that matt, and that all this faux-legalise is just one more point in your life where you passed up on doing the right thing to try to falsely argue your innocence through technicalities and loopholes and innuendo and supposition
[22:03]	DaemonFC	They could see that.
[22:03]	phanes	mjg59_, just like your partner
[22:03]	DaemonFC	If you were going to work at a daycare center, but had sealed a charge of statutory rape, they could see that.
[22:03]	mjg59_	phanes: And, remember, I did offer to expressly make it clear that I wasn't accusing you of a crime
[22:03]	DaemonFC	But if you're applying to work at McDonalds, no.
[22:03]	phanes	mjg59_, yes you should be doing that anyway
[22:04]	DaemonFC	It's like a need to know basis with a record sealing.
[22:04]	DaemonFC	For many jobs and purposes, the public no longer has a "need to know".
[22:04]	DaemonFC	But expungement wipes the records themselves. Not even the cops know.
[22:04]	phanes	Satire is not "stealing someone's identity", and you crafted that statement for the sole purpose of people interpreting it as identify theft.
[22:04]	phanes	*identity
[22:05]	DaemonFC	The police in Illinois have 60 days from the expungement order to destroy your RAP sheet with the state police, and shred and delete any files with the arresting agency.
[22:05]	DaemonFC	It also sends the order to the FBI, which destroys all information about why you were fingerprinted.
[22:05]	mjg59_	phanes: If you believe you have an actionable claim then there's an appropriate mechanism to deal with that
[22:05]	phanes	the same way you crafted your statements about Ted T'so to falsely give the impression he was a "rape apologist"
[22:06]	DaemonFC	It gets removed from the court's public records terminal very quickly.
[22:06]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: All of this is true, and entirely irrelevant
[22:06]	phanes	mjg59_, there is a term of one year to file suit in both jurisdictions
[22:06]	DaemonFC	Often by 12:01 AM the next day.
[22:06]	phanes	mjg59_, guess how i know that
[22:06]	mjg59_	phanes: And yet you chose not to, interesting
[22:06]	phanes	mjg59_, it's not a relevant point
[22:06]	mjg59_	phanes: It's pretty relevant!
[22:07]	DaemonFC	In short, not even the court itself will know it happened within 60 days.
[22:07]	mjg59_	If you had any honest conviction in the justice of the situation, you'd have taken action against me
[22:07]	mjg59_	But you chose not to
[22:07]	mjg59_	Because you know you had no case
[22:07]	mjg59_	And so you continue to whine on the internet
[22:07]	phanes	people who aren't bags of snakes don't spend their lives roaming around looking for oppertunities to sue people
[22:07]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: What do you think about these figures.... Black defendants are 48% less likely than White ones in Illinois to get an order of expungement in similar cases.
[22:07]	DaemonFC	Which is just slightly better than Florida (52%).
[22:08]	mjg59_	You weren't looking for an opportunity! You expressly accused me of defamation!
[22:08]	mjg59_	And then, rather than actually filing suit, you did nothing
[22:08]	mjg59_	Except write a bizarre website
[22:08]	psydroid2	what was the goal of defaming Ted T'so?
[22:08]	mjg59_	psydroid2: I didn't
[22:08]	phanes	they really should do class actions for defamation and extend the window
[22:08]	DaemonFC	Judges obviously look at Black defendants differently and it's not even a partisan thing.
[22:08]	phanes	i think you'd qualify tbh
[22:08]	DaemonFC	The Democrat judges look at Black defendants and see a baseline level of criminality there that's just much higher.
[22:09]	DaemonFC	But somehow they campaign making it seem like it's only going on in red states.
[22:09]	mjg59_	phanes: You were aware of what I wrote well within a year, asserted that I'd be hearing from your lawyers, and then nothing happened
[22:09]	mjg59_	phanes: Why not?
[22:09]	phanes	mjg59_, if you don't like the site, you can always wrap up the entry series with a published apology and retraction/correction.
[22:09]	mjg59_	phanes: I could! And you could also have sued me, but you didn't
[22:10]	phanes	I have no qualms of including that because it would demonstrate character growth
[22:10]	mjg59_	phanes: Did you even speak to a lawyer?
[22:10]	DaemonFC	I don't know if he is capable of growth.
[22:10]	DaemonFC	Growth requires some amount of humility.
[22:10]	phanes	which, besides vindication, is really my ultimate goal
[22:11]	mjg59_	Losing a lawsuit would definitely be a trigger for personal reflection
[22:11]	phanes	yeah, there he is
[22:11]	phanes	lost in his own dark woods of trivialities, searching for water in a crystal clear creek
[22:11]	mjg59_	Because it would be a pretty strong indiciation that my underlying assumptions were wrong
[22:12]	mjg59_	phanes: So, did you even speak to a lawyer?
[22:12]	phanes	mjg59_, it's none of your business what i talk to my attorneys about
[22:12]	mjg59_	phanes: Why did you not sue me?
[22:13]	phanes	this isn't a discussion about my relationship with my attorneys this is a discussion about your chronic behaviour that is really a matter of public record at this point
[22:13]	mjg59_	phanes: If I were to say "Chris Punches didn't sue me because his lawyers told him there was no chance of him winning", would that be untrue?
[22:13]	phanes	and your horrible soul behind it that knows, fully, of its culpability, and wants to hide behind some technical argument
[22:13]	phanes	that would be untrue
[22:14]	phanes	in any case, you're still missing the point
[22:14]	mjg59_	Ok! If I were to say "Chris Punches didn't sue me because he never even asked a lawyer whether my tweet was defamatory", would that be untrue?
[22:15]	phanes	you want to change the topic to one about technicalities in law so you can worm around in a complex set of legal rules totally separated from the morality of your repeated act, which is the actual discussion topic
[22:15]	phanes	no that would be untrue as well
[22:15]	mjg59_	No, I want to understand why you threatened to sue me and then didn't
[22:15]	phanes	because i was angry and then changed my mind about the strategy I want to take
[22:15]	phanes	based on the result of my actions
[22:15]	mjg59_	Ah! Was that so hard?
[22:16]	phanes	nothing is harder than getting a narcissist to admit wrongdoing
[22:16]	psydroid2	in order to have a horrible soul you have to have a soul in the first place
[22:16]	psydroid2	I don't think there is any
[22:16]	mjg59_	Anyway, you believe that there is no potential at this stage for a court to find that my actions constituted defamation?
[22:16]	psydroid2	a narcissist never does anything wrong
[22:17]	psydroid2	so there is nothing to admit
[22:17]	phanes	yeah.  either way, the guy's got a 13 year track record of defaming people with politically charged accusations with a consistent theme, and is even partnered (married?) to someone with the same track record
[22:17]	phanes	so it's obviously behaviour that's being socially reinforced
[22:18]	phanes	and tbh that specific community has gained a reputation in recent years for that being a common theme
[22:18]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: I guess you haven't found any cases that support your claim that it's defamatory to say that someone with an expunged arrest was arrested?
[22:18]	phanes	if a new law were passed that said "anybody can say anything about anybody" everything I've said here would still be true.
[22:18]	DaemonFC	Well, Graveley wasn't even expunged.
[22:19]	DaemonFC	So what did Roy do that could even possibly be improper>
[22:19]	DaemonFC	?
[22:19]	phanes	he deliberately crafts accusations that either directly or indirectly assert things that he knows is not true so that others can lynch his target, and at times he's done this for career advancement
[22:19]	phanes	going on 13 years now
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[22:20]	DaemonFC	Microsoft Loves Stabbers.
[22:20]	psydroid2	this muppet shouldn't even have a career
[22:20]	DaemonFC	Especially ones that are Nazis and high on PCP.
[22:20]	phanes	and has never admitted culpability despite huge waves of people demanding some inkling of human reconciliation on a moral level
[22:21]	phanes	so i do think we are dealing with a personality disorder and not just some ignorance of the base morality that any person would be expected to meet in a functional community
[22:21]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: What do you suppose led to the hiring of a Nazi Stabber high on PCP in the first place?
[22:21]	phanes	it's not "oh im autistic so I don't understand the nuance of what is repeatedly a theme in my life"
[22:21]	DaemonFC	Or their doing nothing about his frankly termination-worthy comments in the workplace?
[22:22]	phanes	it's deliberate malice that exploits communities with valid angst to attack his targets on false grounds and its caused serious damage to both those communities and some of his targets
[22:22]	DaemonFC	Do you think that saying that Indians working at Microsoft with you should have their Green Card canceled for being from India is a productive thing to say in the workplace?
[22:22]	mjg59_	phanes: By "huge waves" you mean, uh, what?
[22:23]	DaemonFC	Do you think if he was making comments about prostitutes giving him "unknown STDs" during staff meetings, they should have done....something?
[22:23]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/23032135
[22:23]	TR Bot	 WHOOPSIE
[22:23]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: I'm assuming you have no evidence to support your assertion about defamation, then?
[22:24]	phanes	mjg59_, do you deny it?
[22:24]	mjg59_	phanes: Do I deny there being huge waves of people demanding anything from me? Yeah.
[22:24]	DaemonFC	Well, Matt, as soon as anyone reports anything in a background check that's not allowed....
[22:24]	DaemonFC	They will be hearing about it.
[22:24]	phanes	no, im not talking about that sophistry you're trying to weave, im talking about what DaemonFC said
[22:24]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Then that'll be a matter of law regarding background checks, not defamation
[22:24]	DaemonFC	And paying me a lot of money for having said that, in the end.
[22:25]	phanes	you request evidence for an event you do not deny so that you can try to shift the argument from a moral one to a technical one
[22:25]	phanes	is that not what you're doing?
[22:25]	mjg59_	phanes: Which bit of what daemonfc said? He's got about 15 different conversations going on at once
[22:25]	phanes	><mjg59_> DaemonFC: I'm assuming you have no evidence to support your assertion about defamation, then?
[22:26]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: I'm saying you should go on the record about Microsoft tolerating the inappropriate and bizarre workplace antics of a Nazi they hired who was hopped up on PCP, BEFORE the stabbing occurred.
[22:26]	phanes	yet again, he shifted it from a moral discussion about an event he knew took place to a technical one to try to muddy the conversation with red herrings
[22:26]	DaemonFC	Specifically, why they hired him and didn't get rid of him despite having nothing but problems leading up to the stabbing, for nearly 9 months.
[22:26]	mjg59_	phanes: I deny that saying that someone whose arrest was expunged was arrested is defamatory, since that's what the established law says
[22:27]	DaemonFC	Johnny Depp won a defamation lawsuit over things that were far less damaging and stupid than an expunged arrest that continued being reported on.
[22:27]	phanes	mjg59_, ok then can you plainly state that you have no moral disposition at all and rely purely on technical legal navigation instead of a moral compass where these definitions would be obvious and not technical at all?
[22:27]	DaemonFC	Amber Turd didn't really do so well in court.
[22:28]	phanes	DaemonFC, yeah, her legal team really shit the bed on that one
[22:28]	DaemonFC	She made false and misleading statements that were designed to nail herself up on a cross, claiming to be abused by Depp, and he won even though she never said his name.
[22:28]	mjg59_	phanes: No, whether or not I will engage in an act is an independent judgement from whether or not I believe that act would be illegal
[22:28]	DaemonFC	It's unfortunate that Anthony Rapp got away with something similar.
[22:29]	DaemonFC	But there's too much questionable behavior swirling around Kevin Spacey for him to take legal action against Rapp.
[22:29]	mjg59_	phanes: I don't believe it would be defamatory for me to say that daemonfc had been arrested even if said arrest had been expunged - but I don't think there's any circumstances where I think it would be a reasonable thing for me to do
[22:29]	phanes	mjg59_, right but do you take into consideration the moral disposition of an act when deciding or do you take into consideration whether you could be held accountable, because it sounds more like the latter based on the totality of your responses on pretty any time you've ever been confronted with your chronic, atrocious, damaging, and dishonest behaviours
[22:30]	phanes	certainly thoughtless
[22:30]	DaemonFC	I think it's important that we give Kevin Spacey the benefit of the doubt.
[22:30]	phanes	s/thoughtless/careless/
[22:30]	DaemonFC	First off, he's never been put on any sort of criminal trial yet.
[22:30]	DaemonFC	Secondly, the lawsuit against him ended in an acquittal.
[22:31]	DaemonFC	So unless the UK manages to convict him, he isn't legally guilty of anything, anywhere, yet.
[22:31]	mjg59_	phanes: I take a number of things into account before doing anything, just as anyone does
[22:31]	DaemonFC	They have a system in the UK that wouldn't even be considered a fair trial under American standards.
[22:32]	DaemonFC	So I'm not even sure I'd buy a conviction under the UK system.
[22:32]	phanes	i can't tell if it's narcissism or sociopathy
[22:32]	phanes	i suspect narcissism 
[22:32]	mjg59_	phanes: But I never say anything I know to be false without clearly indicating it as such
[22:32]	DaemonFC	For starters, in the UK you have the right not to talk to the police, but if you don't, you can be harmed later in court if your defense depends on it.
[22:33]	mjg59_	Eh. Let's go further. I never say anything I *believe* to be false, even if I cannot absolutely assert that I know it to be false.
[22:33]	DaemonFC	So it's a question of the rights of the accused. They're just not as strong there. And I'd say it's nowhere near as bad as most legal systems, including China or Japan.
[22:33]	DaemonFC	But it's also not giving the defendant the right to a defense unencumbered by the police.
[22:33]	phanes	mjg59_, right, so, this would explain why when you cannot make materially false statements you use innuendo and emotionally charged rhetoric that would allow readers to get the false impression you want to convey right
[22:34]	mjg59_	phanes: I never intend to give an impression I believe to be false
[22:35]	phanes	mjg59_, so you believe that satire is identity theft
[22:36]	mjg59_	I don't believe that anyone's reasonable reading of my tweet would be to conclude you'd engaged in illegal identity theft
[22:36]	phanes	or was your statement in that specific incident of defamation just poor wording that anyone reading would garner that impression from
[22:37]	phanes	if it was just poor wording, i mean, i can forgive that
[22:37]	phanes	but im looking at a track record here going back 11 years
[22:37]	phanes	so
[22:37]	phanes	i find it kind of hard to believe, and you certainly haven't said that
[22:39]	phanes	is that your assertion?  just poor wording and now you don't think anyone got that impression?
[22:40]	mjg59_	I don't believe any reasonable person reading my tweet would have concluded I was accusing you of doing anything illegal
[22:40]	phanes	then why haven't you clarified it since it was brought to your attention, it being a fairly obvious thing to see when made known to you
[22:41]	phanes	you don't think you're morally obligated to clarify words you typed that would damage someone's reputation with the tint of criminal accusation
[22:42]	mjg59_	I said I was happy to at the time, and you said that wasn't sufficient, so I didn't bother
[22:42]	phanes	especially when confronted with the reality that the person you are targeting lives a life where truth is very valuable and protected, in a community of likeminded people
[22:42]	phanes	yes taking it down completely would be more appropriate
[22:42]	phanes	well, to a certain extend
[22:42]	phanes	now you've done the damage
[22:42]	phanes	so a correction would be more appropriate at this point
[22:43]	phanes	because you left it up
[22:43]	phanes	with a 30,000 person audience
[22:43]	phanes	and you're going to act like you don't have a social responsibility with that kind of speaking range
[22:43]	mjg59_	Yes, because I don't think there's anything to correct
[22:44]	t0talist	i had noticed only, it's mjg59_ being smeared as "gulgaboy" and similar here, in this channel
[22:44]	mjg59_	I didn't accuse you of doing anything illegal
[22:44]	mjg59_	I don't think any reasonable person reading that tweet would conclude I did
[22:44]	t0talist	which is irritating, if there was a chance to talk to FSF people, time is wasted with insults and mud thrown at each other
[22:44]	phanes	mjg59_, then you should state that to the same audience you accused me of "stealing someone's identity" to
[22:45]	phanes	in ink-feathered pen imo
[22:45]	phanes	do you have any idea how much bullshit in the foss community i bite my tongue on because im hazy about a fact or two and dont want to contribute to the cesspool of misinformation that is the internet
[22:46]	mjg59_	phanes: Find me someone who interpreted it as a claim you'd done something illegal and I'll do so
[22:46]	phanes	then again, im not part of a community with a growing reputation for targeting heteronormatives with defamation and libel so there is some kind reputation to uphold
[22:47]	phanes	mjg59_, no i should not need to do anything as i am the one you injured with your false words
[22:47]	MinceR	t0talist: what's the point of talking to tax-free software foundation people?
[22:48]	MinceR	they don't even remember why they ran a campaign against mono
[22:48]	mjg59_	phanes: In the absence of any evidence that anyone interpreted what I wrote in the bizarre way you did, no
[22:48]	MinceR	they're all about licensing
[22:48]	MinceR	they're the OSI in a different color
[22:48]	phanes	mjg59_, what i can commit to as a show of good faith is to include a note with a capture of your correction and a declaration that the entry series is closed
[22:48]	DaemonFC	I just think mjg59_ could use some relaxation. Dial the Troll Factor down to like 1 or something. Go have a picnic with this Buffy person over at Hetch Hetchy.
[22:49]	phanes	i would have at some point considered full removal of all content mjg59_ but that was before you kept the original damaging statements published for 2 years, cementing the false impression you gave your audience 
[22:49]	phanes	DaemonFC, im not convinced that he's just being defensive, i suspect he just is completely disconnected from his moral compass under a false entitlement belief
[22:50]	phanes	people like this think they're better than everyone because of some credential or pedigree and then coast off it for most of their lives hurting people everywhere they go
[22:53]	DaemonFC	I think they call that White Privilege.
[22:54]	DaemonFC	White San Francisco Man Sprays Black Homeless Person with Hose.
[22:54]	DaemonFC	In San Francisco, they get it. The hose.
[22:54]	MinceR	it puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again
[22:58]	t0talist	anyway, i'll see to hacking bootloader and linux-2.x meanwhile, to get back some clean free software stack
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[23:00]	t0talist	i already got a linux-2.4 kernel compiled with tcc-toolchain, it boots, and executes, and crashes, because i suspect it's loaded at a wrong address, and then interrupt-service-routines aren't present where these should be
[23:01]	t0talist	the next test-case will be, utilizing some tccboot-loader snippet hooked into in between...  if this works i am certain it's related to bootloader and binutils-linker doing some magic which tcc-linker doesn't
[23:01]	t0talist	and, if this works, i got a baseline to diff/bisect against; besides linux-2.4 was rather capable already
[23:01]	MinceR	t0talist: also, if you meant gulag boy, well, he tried to cancel rms
[23:01]	MinceR	how useful can he be?
[23:02]	t0talist	linux-2.4 already did have: ACPI, USB, SMP
[23:02]	t0talist	MinceR: i remain sceptical about both of them, rms and mjg59_
[23:02]	t0talist	because, i don't accuse them of bad intentions, they're not honest, with what both of them advertise as "free software"
[23:03]	MinceR	rms gave up on free software
[23:03]	phanes	lol @ the dracut team calling this "not a bug, but an enhancement request": https://github.com/dracutdevs/dracut/issues/2301
[23:03]	TR Bot	compilation requires network connectivity, preventing offline compilation on airgapped servers. Issue #2301 dracutdevs/dracut GitHub
[23:03]	MinceR	gulag boy serves the enemies of free software
[23:03]	MinceR	fuck dracut too
[23:03]	t0talist	nowadays, there isn't an _clean_ free software stack available; simplified speaking
[23:03]	phanes	like somehow introducing a network dependency on COMPILING THEIR PACKAGE for a low level initramfs management tool is not a serious bug 
[23:04]	t0talist	as soon as anyone touches a typical "free software" system, you're dragged into the realm of those who seized control over it: ibm m$ mapple wintel whoever
[23:04]	MinceR	i could overlook it if 1) they had actual documentation and 2) the initramfs they generate wasn't dogshit
[23:04]	phanes	yeah no shit on docs.  their docs are horrible and sparse.
[23:04]	phanes	what's wrong with the initramfs they generate?  ive found it to be a useful tool
[23:04]		*psydroid2 never heard of dracut until now
[23:06]	MinceR	the way i have FDE set up, it spends minutes printing some message about looking for btrfs volumes before giving me a recovery shell
[23:06]	MinceR	i don't use btrfs
[23:06]	phanes	so dont include the module
[23:06]	MinceR	i wanted to fix it, but after looking at what they had instead of documentation, i got tired and looked for other shit to do
[23:06]	MinceR	i don't boot GNU/Linux on this system often anyway
[23:06]	phanes	ew
[23:06]	phanes	what do you boot
[23:07]	MinceR	i don't know why void insists on using this POS tool, but i guess there's no alternative in systemd land
[23:07]	MinceR	GNU/Linux and OpenBSD
[23:07]	MinceR	but i'm not in the "let's reboot 9001 times per day" club
[23:07]	MinceR	usually i just leave the thing running or suspend it
[23:07]	phanes	yeah if only kpatch worked as intended
[23:08]	MinceR	it's just one more reason for me to look into leaving Kroah-Hartmanux behind
[23:08]	phanes	what are you considering as an alternative?  libre-kernel?
[23:08]	MinceR	OpenBSD
[23:08]	phanes	i mean
[23:08]	phanes	yeah
[23:08]	phanes	if you're desktoping on a router
[23:08]	MinceR	FDE Just Works on it
[23:08]	phanes	FDE?
[23:08]	MinceR	full disk encryption
[23:09]	phanes	just works on fedora too
[23:09]	phanes	quite well actually
[23:09]	MinceR	but what's the point of using it on fedora?
[23:09]	DaemonFC	MinceR: Firefox has an update.
[23:09]	MinceR	your system is chock full of backdoors, what's encrypting the disk going to do?
[23:09]	phanes	depends on who you're hiding your data from
[23:09]	DaemonFC	GNOME Software: TIME TO REBOOT!
[23:09]	MinceR	yeah
[23:09]	phanes	there are no backdoors in fedora
[23:09]	phanes	watchu talkin' about man
[23:09]	MinceR	DaemonFC: windows does it, so it's got to be the right way!
[23:09]	MinceR	phanes: systemd, for one thing
[23:10]	phanes	how is the presence of systemd a "back door"
[23:10]	MinceR	it runs as root all the time and it's deliberately full of bugs
[23:10]	phanes	systemd has a scope creep issue but not an integrity issue as far as im aware
[23:10]	MinceR	it listens to network connections
[23:10]	MinceR	its source code is an undocumented mess
[23:10]	MinceR	the main person responsible for it has no idea what he's doing
[23:11]	DaemonFC	https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/30/tech/ftc-openai-gpt-ai-think-tank/index.html
[23:11]	TR Bot	 The FTC should investigate OpenAI and block GPT over 'deceptive' behavior, AI think tank claims | CNN Business
[23:11]	MinceR	and the cartel is doing everything they can to force it on us
[23:11]	psydroid2	and works for Microsoft
[23:11]	phanes	hey, if you fork systemd and strip out everything except "system initialisation" and "service state management" I'll move over to that
[23:11]	t0talist	at least, systemd can be removed/replaced easily, if you don't need Gnome/GTK dbus too is easily wiped
[23:11]	MinceR	working for dehomag wasn't better either
[23:11]	MinceR	if i fork systemd, i get to keep it up-to-date with upstream so gnome doesn't die on it
[23:11]	t0talist	however, there is other components, which have severe issues, and can't be replaced/removed with a decent alternative
[23:11]	MinceR	and its design would still be utter shit
[23:11]	phanes	fuck gnome
[23:11]	t0talist	which is, mainly, the GNU-toolchain itself (or mapple llvm alike)
[23:11]	MinceR	and i'd still have to deal with a ton of shitty code
[23:12]	phanes	i dont give a shit about gnome
[23:12]	MinceR	there's literally no point to forking systemd
[23:12]	psydroid2	no one should give a shit about gnomes, they're evil creatures
[23:12]	MinceR	it's a pointless piece of shit nobody asked for, trying to do the job of a thousand other things, poorly
[23:12]	t0talist	currently, i'm getting rid of the last remains which depend on gcc-compiler
[23:12]	MinceR	and it's going to be more than gnome anyway
[23:12]	phanes	yeah where i gave up on the systemd wave was when they started trying to fuck dns into it
[23:12]	t0talist	the GNU binutils assembler, this one, is alot of work remaining... although it's only a few lines of bootloader code, to assemble
[23:13]	phanes	ill admit that on newer fedora releases, trying to figure out the chain for dns resolution is a pita
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[23:13]	phanes	i usually disable most of systemd and turn on networkmanager
[23:13]	phanes	which isn't that much better but its better than that resolved shit
[23:13]	MinceR	even just getting by eithout [e]logind is becoming a challenge
[23:14]	MinceR	meanwhile OpenBSD has X without root via Xenocara in a way that isn't completely insane
[23:14]	phanes	im in the process right now of pruning alot of OOB configuration out of systemd for DHLP
[23:14]	phanes	people misunderstand how amazingly full of potential X really is 
[23:14]	MinceR	and a sound server that isn't an eldritch horror
[23:14]	MinceR	yeah, people don't understand X
[23:14]	phanes	X was designed to be a network-based graphical system
[23:15]	MinceR	which is why waylandows exists
[23:15]	MinceR	though, speaking of [e]logind, there's seatd
[23:15]	MinceR	i suppose that lets you dodge a chunk of the insanity that's replacing GNU/Linux
[23:16]	psydruid	has the design of X ever been documented?
[23:16]	MinceR	\_()_/
[23:16]	phanes	so i think what the plan is for next steps here is i need to get this livecd panned out of boot kinks, and then copy the sysroot into a subdirectory of itself, then have it turn the livecd into an installer that selects target system
[23:16]	phanes	im using an ncurses approach for the installer to avoid having to fuck with X forever for a livecd
[23:17]	phanes	what's good these days for a tui based disk formatting tool
[23:17]	MinceR	if there's a book on the design of X, sign me up
[23:17]	MinceR	phanes: mkfs?
[23:17]	phanes	MinceR, ha, no man, i need some curses dialogs and disk selection and shit
[23:17]	MinceR	:)
[23:17]	phanes	it needs to be a wizard guided install
[23:18]	phanes	so they boot the livecd, get some branding, then put in hostname, prepare and format a disk, select their target mounts etc, set up initial user, and then it copies the sysroot to target mounts and reboots right
[23:19]	phanes	plus the curses dialogs is a great throwback to freebsd and slackware
[23:19]	MinceR	:
[23:19]	MinceR	:)
[23:19]	phanes	especially considering this first release when stable -should- allow users to install slackpkg 
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[23:20]	phanes	so conceivably they could run "DHLP + Slackware Ecosystem"
[23:20]	phanes	the idea is to give developers alot of options about the distro they want to create
[23:20]	phanes	along the way to creating one more specialized 
[23:20]	MinceR	might as well throw in pkgsrc :>
[23:20]	phanes	MinceR, or the fbsd ports system
[23:21]	phanes	i wouldn't be doing either of those, but i would want the first release to be clean and empty enough to allow someone to 
[23:22]	phanes	because folks can then just fork that release, update some base package build scripts and sources, and then they've got their own thing and can spawn just fractals of new communities
[23:22]	mjg59_	phanes: What's broken with your distro that xsltproc can't find docbook.xsl?
[23:22]	phanes	hopefully ones that replace the old guard and the corporatist movement with people more sane
[23:23]	phanes	mjg59_, what do you mean
[23:23]	mjg59_	phanes: Look at the command line. xsltproc is being passed "-nonet", which means it won't actually try to download anything.
[23:23]	mjg59_	phanes: The URL is the canonical name of the xslt file. It should already be on your filesystem.
[23:24]	phanes	yeah i thought that was weird.  it is being passed -nonet but then iits being fed a sourceforge url
[23:24]	phanes	compiles fine on a network-enabled system
[23:24]	mjg59_	phanes: This is you not understanding xsltproc, not dracut requiring network access
[23:24]	mjg59_	Just install the xsl file
[23:25]	phanes	dracut's makefile kicks off that xsltproc execution
[23:26]	mjg59_	Yes. The docbook.xsl file is a build dependency.
[23:26]	phanes	so if there was an issue it would likely be in the xsltproc compilation, i mean, i can't rule out that the xsltproc build is missing some option
[23:26]	mjg59_	xsltproc doesn't include the xsl files
[23:26]	mjg59_	The stylesheets are generally shipped separately
[23:26]	phanes	i was referring to it ignoring the -nonet option but admittedly i haven't debugged this
[23:27]	phanes	at an abstraction, dracut is telling xsltproc to download a network resource if docs are compiled.
[23:28]	mjg59_	dracut is explicitly telling xsltproc *not* to do that
[23:28]	mjg59_	Maybe your xsltproc is broken? Who knows!
[23:28]	phanes	and xsltproc is ignoring that and doing it anyway.  yep i see it.  this may end up being an xsltproc filing.
[23:28]	mjg59_	But the issue is still that you just don't have the relevant stylesheet available
[23:29]	mjg59_	Otherwise it'll use it
[23:29]	phanes	right that's what the error says.
[23:29]	mjg59_	So fix your build dependencies
[23:29]	mjg59_	dracut's doing nothing wrong here
[23:29]	mjg59_	Maybe you should apologise for defaming them
[23:30]	phanes	wish you were as good at fixing your own harm as you were at evaluating toolchain failure reports
[23:30]	mjg59_	Says guy who doesn't know how his tools work and immediately blames a project doing nothing wrong
[23:31]	phanes	could be
[23:31]	phanes	ill know for sure when its time to debug it
[23:33]	mjg59_	libxml2's error output is unhelpful here, but the "I/O error : Attempt to load network entity" error means "You attempted to load a network entity even though -nonet was passed"
[23:34]	mjg59_	It'll only get to there if it can't load it from the local catalog
[23:34]	phanes	yeah that libxslt compile is pretty clean.
[23:34]	phanes	https://github.com/SILO-GROUP/Pyrois/blob/master/rex.project/x86_64/components/livecd/libxml2.bash#L136
[23:34]	TR Bot	at master SILO-GROUP/Pyrois GitHub
[23:36]	phanes	there is a typoe in that configure but it should assume the PYTHON
[23:38]	phanes	not present in: https://github.com/SILO-GROUP/Pyrois/blob/master/rex.project/x86_64/components/livecd/libxslt.bash
[23:38]	TR Bot	at master SILO-GROUP/Pyrois GitHub
[23:39]	phanes	stderr from libxslt build: https://paste.silogroup.org/ekeqavepik.cs
[23:39]	TR Bot	 hastebin
[23:39]	phanes	yeah it's doing the same thing there
[23:40]	phanes	that's interesting
[23:40]	phanes	also looks like it's using python2 code where python3 code should be
[23:40]	phanes	damn that's ugly
[23:43]	phanes	yeah i have a feeling that'll be a libxslt bug report instead of a dracut report later
[23:44]	MinceR	assume the position
[23:44]	phanes	i already assumed :P
[23:44]	MinceR	:)
[23:51]	mjg59_	I don't know why you think there's a bug here!
[23:51]	mjg59_	You need the stylesheet. You don't have the stylesheet. It can't download it from the network.
[23:51]	phanes	well in all fairness we've established that you don't think alot of things
[23:51]	mjg59_	Just install the stylesheet
[23:52]	phanes	what's that phrase
[23:52]	phanes	oh
[23:52]	phanes	"pull requests are welcome"
[23:53]	mjg59_	?
[23:53]	mjg59_	How do you expect it to build docs that require the docbook stylesheet without having the docbook stylesheet?
[23:53]	phanes	https://docs.github.com/en/pull-requests/collaborating-with-pull-requests/proposing-changes-to-your-work-with-pull-requests/creating-a-pull-request
[23:53]	TR Bot	 Creating a pull request - GitHub Docs
[23:57]	mjg59_	phanes: What do you have in /etc/xml/catalog ?
[23:57]	phanes	im not sure, you can check, it's on the iso
[23:58]	mjg59_	It's likely that you don't have an entry for "http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current" in there, or that the file it's pointing at doesn't exist
[23:58]	TR Bot	 Index of /release/xsl/current
[23:58]	mjg59_	Fix that and your "bug" will go away
[23:58]	phanes	the Pyrois build project is only tested on fedora and i haven't mapped its package dependencies yet so some trial and error on getting it going is needed
[23:59]	phanes	ill eventually have one of the early build steps install those 
[23:59]	mjg59_	If your build env is Fedora, make sure docbook-style-xsl is installed
[23:59]	phanes	the pyrois package dependencies i mean
[23:59]	phanes	the build env is not fedora
[23:59]	phanes	the build env is a cross-compiled sysroot
[23:59]	phanes	the pyrois orchestration of that process is on fedora
[23:59]	mjg59_	Are you installing the docbook stylesheets into it?