●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, August 02, 2021 ●● ● Aug 02 [00:03] MinceR 02 004729 < immibis> any state, any country [00:03] MinceR probably not in south-east asia [00:03] schestowitz-TR worse case scenario, many would not wear it [00:04] immibis worst case scenario is they overthrow the government and institute fascism [00:04] schestowitz-TR nobody will go to war with weapons over "the shopkeepers ask me to wear a mask" [00:04] MinceR how will people notice? [00:04] immibis MinceR: if you think the developed world today is fascist, you are wrong [00:04] immibis there is a long way between here and the USSR or Nazi Germany [00:04] MinceR and we're running that way [00:05] schestowitz-TR the problems are economic [00:05] MinceR the state party of hungary used to pose as heroic anti-communists (even though they couldn't and didn't do shit about the previous russian empire) [00:05] schestowitz-TR many people out of work [00:05] schestowitz-TR so they start voting more radically [00:06] schestowitz-TR COVID is not the instigator [00:06] schestowitz-TR but a symptom of it [00:06] schestowitz-TR too many people outside the workforce [00:06] MinceR recently they're fighting to spend lots of tax money on building a campus in hungary for an alleged "university" (fudan) which requires its staff and students to be loyal to the communist party of china [00:07] schestowitz-TR belt and braces :-) [00:07] MinceR belt and jumper cables [00:07] schestowitz https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/president-xi-jinping-belt-and-road-project-of-great-importance-to-china-pak-ties-2283360 [00:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ndtv.com | President Xi Jinping: Belt And Road Project Of Great Importance To China-Pak Ties [00:07] schestowitz China imitates US [00:07] schestowitz and maybe USSR [00:08] schestowitz "soft power" [00:08] MinceR if only [00:09] MinceR immibis: oh, i was also thinking of orbanistan, not just the allegedly developed world [00:09] MinceR that said, the christian fundamentalist union of germany did a lot to support the hungarian communist party in their endeavors against the alleged values of the EU [00:10] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@fcn6udvytfdx2.irc) has joined #techrights [00:10] MinceR the USA was also only saved from being turned into a dictatorship by their checks and balances [00:10] MinceR cheeto hitler only managed to do so much to undermine the republic in 4 years [00:10] MinceR in hungary, it took less than a year to effectively destroy the republic [00:10] MinceR in 2010 [00:15] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [00:16] schestowitz-TR seems like a trend [00:16] schestowitz-TR now we have belarus(sia) [00:17] schestowitz-TR regimes soooo good that they attract planes to them... like magnets [00:19] MinceR :> [00:20] MinceR belarus is so great their olympic athletes are trying to avoid going home [00:22] XRevan86 MinceR: She is afraid of prosecution. [00:22] MinceR what would she be prosecuted for? [00:23] MinceR and how come she'd be safe from prosecution in nearly any other country? [00:23] XRevan86 MinceR: She criticised. [00:24] XRevan86 one cannot commit a worse crime [00:24] immibis schestowitz-TR: the root cause here is the fact that people are forced to find work even when there is nothing for them to do [00:25] MinceR :> [00:25] immibis MinceR: i'm gonna need about 100 citations on hungary's government building a campus for CCP members only. That sounds like typical anti-left propaganda [00:25] MinceR immibis: it's not for members only, it's for people who agree to become loyal to the CPC [00:28] immibis close enough [00:28] immibis why would the hungarian government care about that [00:28] immibis you're gonna say "because leftists" or something [00:29] immibis it's like saying, microsoft wants to build a data center, for customers who swear to only ever buy google products [00:31] MinceR because they decided that "bruxelles" is their enemy and that russia and red china are their allies in their fight against the west [00:32] schestowitz lol: https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/8/1/245 [00:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.org | LKML: "Mrs.Favour Jonathan": Hello Dear [00:32] MinceR typically the hungarian state party calls everyone who opposes them "leftists" (also "liberals"), so i don't see much merit in that "anti-left propaganda" theory :> [00:32] MinceR https://www.direkt36.hu/en/kinai-hitelbol-keszul-a-magyar-felsooktatas-oriasberuhazasa-a-kormany-mar-oda-is-igerte-egy-kinai-cegnek/ [00:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.direkt36.hu | Huge Chinese loan to cover the construction of Fudan University in Budapest | Direkt36 [00:33] MinceR on the loyalty requirement: (in hungarian) https://444.hu/2021/04/19/hszi-csin-ping-szerint-a-kinai-egyetemeknek-a-kommunista-parthoz-teljes-mertekben-hu-diakokat-kell-nevelniuk [00:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-444.hu | Hszi Csin-ping szerint a knai egyetemeknek a Kommunista prthoz teljes mrtkben h dikokat kell nevelnik [00:33] MinceR better article on the loyalty requirement: (in hungarian) https://444.hu/2021/04/16/a-kinai-kommunista-part-huseges-kaderkepzoje-tart-budapestre-vagy-egy-nyugatos-elitegyetem [00:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-444.hu | A Knai Kommunista Prt hsges kderkpzje tart Budapestre, vagy egy nyugatos elitegyetem? [00:34] DaemonFC also, more importantly, most UK hospitalisations are of vaccinated people [00:34] DaemonFC Insofar as you can call that AstraZeneca shit a vaccine. [00:34] DaemonFC Dump it in Hungary and start over. [00:34] DaemonFC MinceR would still be better off than under Orban's plan. [00:34] MinceR hungary doesn't want it [00:34] MinceR hungary wants the unproven, uninspected shit that comes out of gamaleya and sinopharm [00:35] MinceR they especially like to give the sinopharm crap to people who are at least 60 years old [00:35] MinceR even red china doesn't claim to have tested it on people of that age [00:35] DaemonFC the USA was also only saved from being turned into a dictatorship by their checks and balances [00:35] MinceR but orban doesn't care, he just wants to claim to have given vaccines to people, he doesn't care if the plebs get COVID-19 or get crippled by PACS [00:36] DaemonFC One of which was that the federal government has limited control over elections. [00:36] MinceR s/CS/SC [00:36] MinceR / [00:36] DaemonFC States can definitely be tyrannical, but Trump couldn't just reach in and change all of the voting laws and declare himself the winner. [00:37] DaemonFC Plus, they had limited incentive to help him in particular. [00:37] DaemonFC They're happy as long as they all get re-elected, and they got elected under the laws they have. [00:37] DaemonFC These new "voter suppression" laws really don't change voting all that much as far as being able to go in and vote. [00:38] DaemonFC What they do is curtail mail voting, which doesn't really bother me all that much considering there's polling places pretty much everywhere. [00:39] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [00:39] DaemonFC Illinois should be changing its laws to mail out the ballots earlier. [00:40] DaemonFC They claimed they did it 10 days before election day, but I got my ballot in the mail 2 days ahead of election day, which wasn't enough time to mail it back. And I knew that was coming because the state said make sure you mail them back at least 5 days before election day. [00:41] DaemonFC They're supposed to count as long as they're postmarked by election day and arrive no later than 14 days after. [00:41] DaemonFC What they do is they give a provisional result on election night, and what happened in Lake County, Illinois was that it looked like a couple of county Republicans would hang on, just as it initially looked like Trump had won several states that he didn't. [00:41] *mib_3xxrvt (~519aac55@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has joined #techrights [00:42] DaemonFC But when the totals kept getting updated, it quickly became clear that there would be no countywide elected Republicans left at all, and then 2 Republican county board members lost their election too, by a handful of votes. [00:42] DaemonFC But losing is losing. [00:42] activelow concerning pulmonary disease what about this: air pollution? [00:43] schestowitz XRevan86: from http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ ==> FREENODE [00:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Channels | Techrights [00:43] schestowitz "Closing link: (web-30@2a00:23c4:c383:c901:e680:7c16:cbc6:b594) [You must use TLS/SSL and authenticate via SASL to connect to freenode please visit https://irc.com/login/sso in order to create an account. SASL Configuration: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl - Webchat: https://webchat.freenode.net/]" [00:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IRC.com Login [00:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | Connecting with SASL - freenode [00:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webchat.freenode.net | Kiwi IRC [00:43] DaemonFC The red mirage happened all over the country. [00:43] schestowitz So even their Webapp stopped working [00:43] immibis MinceR: that sounds like complete made up horseshit [00:43] DaemonFC That was what Trump was panicking about. He wanted to stop the mail ballots from getting counted. [00:43] schestowitz This is really rubbish, freenode [00:43] immibis MinceR: now explain why the anti-left party would ally themselves with the communists [00:43] activelow they rather discuss "toxic" CO2 than benzene concentration or toxic dusts [00:43] DaemonFC But voter participation wasn't much higher than usual. [00:44] DaemonFC It's just that people shifted to mail ballots. If it gets hard to request one, they would probably just vote in person again. [00:44] activelow so, who is funding those "eco activists"? [00:44] DaemonFC I think that either way, Trump would lose. In fact, mail voting may have helped him. [00:44] *tr_guest|44876 (~519aac55@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [00:45] DaemonFC Those last minute dirty tricks at the post office may have disqualified nearly half a million voters. [00:45] immibis CO2 is toxic because it makes the whole planet unliveable. benzene kills individual people. it's like COVID-19 vs car accidents. car accidents are an individual problem, COVID-19 is a global systemic one [00:45] MinceR immibis: they don't care, they just want money and power [00:45] DaemonFC People mailed them figuring their vote would count and then they got stuck in transit and didn't count. [00:45] MinceR immibis: and it's easier to get loans from the east without being asked what the money is used for and how [00:46] DaemonFC If they voted in person as well, they'd have been prosecuted, so even if they had their doubts after mailing the ballot, they wouldn't try to vote. [00:46] immibis MinceR: so why don't they get the loan and then NOT spend it on a CCP-requiring university? [00:46] immibis they could just get the loan and then buy yachts [00:46] DaemonFC Voting in person at least requires you to go down there and you know you voted. [00:46] MinceR immibis: they're trying to ingratiate themselves with the CPC [00:46] DaemonFC There's no question about it getting caught in the mail and not counting because of that. [00:46] schestowitz you don't know [00:46] activelow you know, those "eco" "alliance90/greens" are most successfull nearby where Mercedes/Benz is manufacturing, it is one of those green "eco" politicians elected as "prime minister" of Baden Wrttemberg [00:46] schestowitz you think you know [00:47] schestowitz you cast a paper somewhere [00:47] DaemonFC That's why I signed a form to void the mail ballot and promised to destroy it if it came, then voted in person. [00:47] *tr_guest|44876 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:47] immibis a blockchain vote would actually increase the amount of knowledge you have that you've voted [00:47] schestowitz better than some web page or envelope saying "thank you for voting" [00:47] DaemonFC I was madder than hell about a lot of things, not just Trump. [00:47] DaemonFC Including that idiot prosecutor. [00:47] DaemonFC Who is now a judge. [00:47] MinceR a blockchain vote would also make who voted for what public [00:47] DaemonFC Golden parachutes! [00:47] activelow currentlz Baden Wrttembeg is the only federal state where those "eco" greens are ruling with a prime minister, and it is a federal state with the *worst* ecologocial/climate balance [00:47] MinceR tallying votes isn't nearly as challenging if it's acceptable to let everyone know who voted for what [00:48] XRevan86 schestowitz: webchat is also prone, yes [00:48] DaemonFC We vote him out, the bar association makes him a judge. [00:48] DaemonFC So we need to vote him out again, I guess. [00:48] DaemonFC It'll be a while before he's up for retention. The good news is he'll need 60% in favor next time because he's a judge now. [00:48] schestowitz XRevan86: so from "AUTONOMOUS ZONE" it is becoming "NO-GO ZONE" [00:48] schestowitz or rather, a very difficult zone to enter, esp. anonymouslu [00:49] DaemonFC He only got 46.5% in favor running for prosecutor. [00:49] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [00:49] DaemonFC So appointing him as a judge just puts him on borrowed time if people remember that they didn't want him in 2020. [00:49] schestowitz must provide email address and pass some JS stuff, pass around messages as pre-requisite for login [00:49] activelow and guess what, it is this "green eco" prime minister who argued recently: "either you accept the proposed vaccine or you'll be denied entrance into restaurants and cinema, and you'll have to pay for testing" [00:49] activelow end lose quote [00:49] schestowitz Remember: WEB = JS [00:49] schestowitz proprietary [00:49] schestowitz I don't need JS to register ot log in via IRC ports [00:50] schestowitz CrystalMath overlooked that [00:50] schestowitz Web = shit [00:50] schestowitz www = monopoly and garbage running in the background by default [00:50] schestowitz (without user consent [00:50] schestowitz I find it funny sites and browsers would insist you get some cert from ZemlinPentagon [00:50] schestowitz LE [00:50] schestowitz but... [00:51] schestowitz the proprietary JS they push onyou by default? [00:51] schestowitz "fine! Go with it. Nothing to see here.." [00:51] schestowitz Supercookies? OK [00:51] schestowitz Just makes you sure you signed up for free cert with ZemlinPentagon [00:52] schestowitz now run our dodgy proprietary JS, no questions asked [00:53] techrights-news #Ryujinx (Switch Emulator) Gets The #Vulkan Treatment https://boilingsteam.com/ryujinx-switch-emulator-gets-the-vulkan-treatment/ #deletegithub [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Ryujinx (Switch Emulator) Gets The Vulkan Treatment - Boiling Steam [00:54] techrights-news Worthless #ewaste for useless gimmicks https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/08/01/smartbug-smart-switch-integrates-neatly-into-in-wall-sockets/ adding complexity for so little practical benefit [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | SmartBug smart switch integrates neatly into in-wall sockets (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software [00:54] techrights-news #Kubuntu preinstalled https://www.prweb.com/releases/the_kubuntu_focus_team_announces_the_affordable_kubuntu_focus_xe/prweb18104916.htm #kde #gnu #linux [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prweb.com | The Kubuntu Focus Team Announces the Affordable Kubuntu Focus XE [00:55] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:56] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [00:57] techrights-news #Nvidia open sources stuff, and FOSS can be profitable - Linux News https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMFoI9RtYf8 #gnu #linux [00:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-KDE Connect on Windows and iOS, Nvidia open sources stuff, and FOSS can be profitable - Linux News - YouTube [00:57] techrights-news "Based on the K#HealthCertificate library this has been added to KDE Itinerary, and a standalone health certificate wallet app for Plasma Mobile is also in the works." https://www.volkerkrause.eu/2021/08/01/kde-itinerary-june-july-2021.html [00:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.volkerkrause.eu | June/July in KDE Itinerary [00:57] techrights-news #freebsd 31 July: Enhanced commit privileges: Li-Wen Hsu (doc, ports, src) https://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash/#2021-07-31:1 #bsd #unix [00:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freebsd.org | FreeBSD News Flash | The FreeBSD Project [00:59] techrights-news A good start, but #socialcontrolmedia needs to be turned off not just for one day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGZGO1abe2E [00:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Social Media Detox Day - YouTube ● Aug 02 [01:00] schestowitz freenode: [01:00] schestowitz There are 1443 users and 19800 invisible on 27 servers [01:00] schestowitz * 11 :operator(s) online [01:00] schestowitz * 11 :unknown connections [01:00] schestowitz * 22176 :channels formed [01:00] schestowitz * I have 1928 clients and 1 servers [01:00] schestowitz * Current local users: 1928 Max: 1929 [01:00] schestowitz * Current global users: 21243 Max: 22832 [01:00] schestowitz * *.freenode.net message of the day [01:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [01:01] schestowitz that was last time it reported anything [01:01] schestowitz now it seems like a lot less [01:02] schestowitz https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode [01:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE [01:02] schestowitz it is no longer even tracked [01:02] MinceR 02 020217 [freenode2] -!- Current global users: 13352 Max: 22832 [01:02] schestowitz they have obsoleted themselves [01:02] schestowitz MinceR: thanks [01:03] techrights-news #freenose users online 13352. It was about 90,000 just months ago. They've even managed to make Web access obsolete. It's almost like they don't want users anymore... [01:04] techrights-news #freenode users online 13352. It was about 90,000 just months ago. They've even managed to make Web access obsolete. It's almost like they don't want users anymore... [01:04] techrights-news #patentMaximalism #SouthAfrica #selfHarm #patents https://www.iam-media.com/law-policy/south-africa-ai-patent-award https://www.williamspowell.com/news/dabus-the-ai-system-confirmed-as-the-inventor-and-dr-stephen-thaler-as-the-owner-of-the-dabus-inventions see http://techrights.org/wiki/Software_Patents_in_South_Africa [01:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | South Africa awards worlds first AI-invented patent, but it may not be thatbig a deal | IAM [01:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.williamspowell.com | DABUS the AI system confirmed as the inventor and Dr Stephen Thaler as the owner of the DABUS inventions - WP IP [01:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Patents in South Africa - Techrights [01:06] techrights-news #SouthAfrica seems to be signalling that it has the worst of most lenient #patent office https://www.jurist.org/news/2021/08/south-africa-approves-worlds-first-patent-with-ai-inventor/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/Software_Patents_in_South_Africa [01:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jurist.org | South Africa approves world's first patent with AI inventor - JURIST - News - Legal News & Commentary [01:06] immibis Remember: WEB = JS [01:06] immibis proprietary [01:06] immibis doesn't techrights have a web site? [01:07] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.91 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 25.05 swarm size (avg): 283.56 [01:07] schestowitz We suggest gemini and ipfs [01:07] schestowitz most people use www [01:07] schestowitz so that's also an option [01:07] schestowitz we still use irc [01:07] schestowitz lots of info passes via irc [01:07] schestowitz and irc is available from gemini, ipfs, plain text erc. [01:07] schestowitz many pipelines for that [01:08] techrights-news #EPO has based everything on unlawful interpretations; why don't #litigation firms speak out against it? https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1097650/assessment-of-inventive-step-of-medical-use-claims-at-the-epo-a-shift-in-approach [01:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Assessment Of Inventive Step Of Medical Use Claims At The EPO: A Shift In Approach? - Intellectual Property - UK [01:08] techrights-news #Patent #litigation firms pushing illegal #softwarepatents under the guise of "simulation" again, relying on a tribunal rigged and intimidated by the EPO's dictatorship https://www.dyoung.com/en/knowledgebank/articles/patent-satellites-space #swpats [01:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dyoung.com | D Young & Co | Patent rights for satellites: computer simulations for [01:10] XRevan86 MinceR: Is EFnet bigger now? [01:10] XRevan86 schestowitz: webchat has no special treatment there, yes. [01:10] XRevan86 Guest login is no more. [01:10] schestowitz https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2021/07/29/347/ [01:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sysdfree.wordpress.com | In the pandemic of global neo-liberal capitalist dictatorship we are still here | systemd-free linux community [01:11] schestowitz "WordPress continues to make our life miserable, with all their new guis a web-client-google-apis. As if they are no longer capable of developing their own code for a web-client interface they must add google functionality, which in turn is not supported by all safety and privacy minded browsers, only those produced by google and mozilla corporations, making it hard to protect yourselves against the corporate bandits and have adequate [01:11] schestowitz functionality to publish." [01:11] schestowitz WordPress is becoming part of the "pandemic" [01:12] schestowitz XRevan86: FREENODE IS IR.. never mind.. [01:12] XRevan86 freenode is small [01:12] schestowitz also unwelcoming to anon users [01:12] schestowitz which sort of contradicts what they said about the alt ircd [01:12] XRevan86 freenode is irrelevant [01:13] XRevan86 That's more accurate, right? [01:13] techrights-news How many millions of people need #patents kill before #patent extremists admit that innovation happens without patents and denies #accesstomedicines h https://writtendescription.blogspot.com/2021/07/whats-happening-with-proposals-for-wto.html [01:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-writtendescription.blogspot.com | Written Description: Whats happening with proposals for a WTO waiver of COVID-related IP? [01:13] DaemonFC https://freenode.net/ [01:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode [01:13] techrights-news #China lowering the #patent bar to something laughable: Is Dosing Regimen Patentable in China? https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=d68708a8-4870-44b4-afcb-a1ae058ae851 [01:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is Dosing Regimen Patentable in China? - Lexology [01:14] DaemonFC The Izvestia-style blogging continues. [01:14] DaemonFC Something about dogs and fences and dumbfucks. [01:14] MinceR XRevan86: i'm not on efnet [01:14] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:14] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:15] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:16] XRevan86 > :Current global users 13241 [01:16] MinceR XRevan86: https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=EFnet makes it seem like they're close to the same [01:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE [01:16] XRevan86 EFnet is still smaller. [01:16] techrights-news #Apache Month in Review: July 2021 https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/apache-month-in-review-july1 [01:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.apache.org | Apache Month in Review: July 2021 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog [01:16] XRevan86 let's give it a day [01:16] MinceR i don't care about efnet either [01:16] MinceR the only service they have is chanfix, and they officially admit that it's unreliable [01:17] DaemonFC EFnet is still smaller. [01:17] DaemonFC Than the autonomous zone? [01:17] DaemonFC With Supreme Warlord Root.... [01:17] XRevan86 DaemonFC: Yes, the autonomous zone is in top5 for a day. [01:17] schestowitz the self-harm seems endless [01:18] schestowitz for a while they hanged on there at 60k [01:18] schestowitz before killing off their database [01:18] *job (~job@b9g7r43fzegj6.irc) has joined #techrights [01:19] techrights-news "Quite a while ago, Arch Linux has turned on many binary security features via compilation flags (2016) or turned off options that are known to help exploit software (debugging symbols, RPATH). Now we have 2021 and Arch Linux made good experience with the additional security options." https://shibumi.dev/posts/hardening-executables/ [01:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-shibumi.dev | Hardening Executables [01:20] activelow didnt' drop my freenode account, SASL+cert was registered, and cannot connect anymore [01:20] activelow not sure why they wiped the database [01:20] schestowitz too much stoning [01:21] techrights-news " #WordPress continues to make our life miserable, with all their new guis a web-client-google-apis. As if they are no longer capable of developing their own code for a web-client interface they must add google functionality, which in turn is not supported by all safety and privacy minded browsers, only those produced by google and mozilla corporations" https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2021/07/29/347/ [01:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sysdfree.wordpress.com | In the pandemic of global neo-liberal capitalist dictatorship we are still here | systemd-free linux community [01:21] MinceR it would have been more work to migrate it, presumably [01:21] techrights-news #patent #law shows that it is irrational https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/jul/30/im-sorry-dave-im-afraid-i-invented-that-australian-court-finds-ai-systems-can-be-recognised-under-patent-law [01:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Im sorry Dave Im afraid I invented that: Australian court finds AI systems can be recognised under patent law | Artificial intelligence (AI) | The Guardian [01:22] MinceR and rasengan didn't buy the network to do work for its users :> [01:22] schestowitz what is the goal or endgame? [01:22] schestowitz surely it did not go as they had planned [01:23] schestowitz so what does it boil down to now? mindreading is not possible [01:23] activelow good thing with libera: so far noone dared to register with my nickname there, and i can ask some people anytime if i need to nonetheless [01:23] activelow seems noone is willing to take the pride of it [01:23] techrights-news Protect Online #Privacy https://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/protect-online-privacy [01:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxandubuntu.com | Protect Online Privacy [01:23] MinceR \_()_/ [01:24] MinceR maybe it was an attempt to settle a score with the old staff (which is understandable, though it didn't seem to do much), somewhat covered up by folding freenode into irc.com [01:24] techrights-news " #Wyze moved the District Court to dismiss under Rule 12(c), on the grounds that the claims are directed to ineligible subject matter." https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/07/sensormatic-electronics-llc-v-wyze-labs-inc-fed-cir-2021.html [01:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: Sensormatic Electronics, LLC v. Wyze Labs, Inc. (Fed. Cir. 2021) [01:25] techrights-news Upcoming #AMD CPU with #RDNA1 #graphics may be coming, spotted in Linux code http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154007#comment-30430 [01:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First mentions of AMD RDNA1 "Cyan Skillfish" iGPU for future Ryzen APUs appear in Linux code | Tux Machines [01:26] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [01:26] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [01:26] schestowitz MinceR: they're not THAT old :-) [01:26] MinceR i mean the staff from before rasengan took over ircop duties [01:26] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [01:26] schestowitz yes, I know [01:27] schestowitz hence the face [01:28] schestowitz XRevan86: correct me if my assumptions are wrong: [01:28] schestowitz the only reason I still have one client connected to freenode is that my connection has not dropped on it? [01:29] XRevan86 schestowitz: It depends on whether that client is configured in a now-permitted way. [01:29] XRevan86 if it connects via TLS and with SASL, then it will reconnect successfully. [01:30] schestowitz people who say self-hosting is "lots of work" obviously ignore the situation of being at someone else's mercy when it all goes wrong [01:30] schestowitz like with freenode [01:30] XRevan86 schestowitz: Those people won't have experience with freenode today though, as they ran from the sinking ship in May/June :P [01:31] DaemonFC I noticed that food companies are trying to hide a lot of the inflation by reducing their promotional budget. [01:31] DaemonFC Seems like they're fine giving up marketshare to the store brands to get higher margins. [01:32] DaemonFC I wonder how this will affect iBotta. [01:32] techrights-news #patent maximalists still looking for ways to discredit the assessment of #patents legitimacy/quality https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/07/chemours-company-fc-llc-v-darkin-industries-ltd-fed-cir-2021.html techrights.org/2017/03/05/dennis-crouch-worries-about-ptab-and-cafc/ [01:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: Chemours Company FC, LLC v. Darkin Industries, Ltd. (Fed. Cir. 2021) [01:32] techrights-news It is illegal and a total disaster, but #EPO management keeps lying about it, insulting the victims https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2021/20210730.html see http://techrights.org/2021/03/14/law-exams-that-break-the-law/ [01:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Latest guide to preparing for the EQE is now online [01:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The (e-)EQE Statement From the EPO Makes Things Even Worse as Victims of the Catastrophic Exam Feel Offended and Angry | Techrights [01:33] techrights-news #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154042 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [01:34] activelow seems freenode rejects ssl when terminated at an onion exit "Irssi: warning SSL handshake failed: server closed connection unexpectedly" [01:34] techrights-news Meeting with your mates - #Kalendar week 8 (GSoC 2021) - Stuff I wrote down https://claudiocambra.com/2021/08/01/meeting-with-your-mates-kalendar-week-8-gsoc-2021/ #claudiocambra | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/01/#latest [01:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-claudiocambra.com | Meeting with your mates Kalendar week 8 (GSoC 2021) Stuff I wrote down [01:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [01:35] schestowitz-TR activelow: it's really crap and inconsistent [01:35] schestowitz-TR they said they wanted to protect users' privacy [01:35] schestowitz-TR because "cancel culture" something [01:36] schestowitz-TR now they demand email addresses and JS crap in a Kape Web site [01:36] schestowitz-TR to me, Kape is little better than NSO Group [01:36] activelow schestowitz-TR: they got my email-address, a valid registration, SASL, cert+fingerprint [01:37] activelow in fact freenode knew who i was and who i am [01:37] techrights-news "I wrote a #controlpanel in 2005 using #PHP , without any framework. 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[01:41] schestowitz I need to watch things more closely [01:42] schestowitz maybe some attempt to 'revenge' [01:42] techrights-news Leave #biology out of #patents https://www.mondaq.com/patent/1096980/introduction-to-biological-deposits-at-the-european-patent-office-and-under-the-budapest-treaty #epo is also corrupted by #Budapest http://techrights.org/2021/06/14/fixing-g121/ [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Introduction To Biological Deposits At The European Patent Office And Under The Budapest Treaty - Intellectual Property - European Union [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fixer of Antnio Campinos Taints G1/21 (ViCo Hearing) | Techrights [01:42] techrights-news #LinuxMint Needs UI/UX and Graphics Designers for Redesigning its Dated Website http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154030 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint Needs UI/UX and Graphics Designers for Redesigning its Dated Website | Tux Machines [01:43] techrights-news #Xfce s Apps Update for July 2021 Brings New Releases of Catfish, Mousepad, Sensors Plugin, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154031 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xfces Apps Update for July 2021 Brings New Releases of Catfish, Mousepad, Sensors Plugin, and More | Tux Machines [01:44] techrights-news Best Free and Open Source Software July 2021 Updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154032 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Free and Open Source Software July 2021 Updates | Tux Machines [01:47] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154033 #Linux #TuxMachines [01:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [01:47] techrights-news #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154041 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [01:47] schestowitz DaemonFC: are you still with PIA? [01:47] schestowitz Their blog has not been very actively lately [01:48] schestowitz not a positive sign [01:48] schestowitz also, there's a quasi-canary about US gov. going after them [01:49] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154034 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:49] DaemonFC Yeah, all their US VPNs are now going with some company called Freedom Solutions or something like that. [01:49] DaemonFC This sounds like a CIA honeypot. [01:50] DaemonFC "Freedomtech Solutions" [01:50] schestowitz lol [01:50] schestowitz in US freedom means something else [01:50] schestowitz like "democracy" [01:50] schestowitz FreedomPhone [01:50] schestowitz means Trump [01:51] techrights-news #Debian : #SparkyLinux , WAGO, Raspberry Pi OS/Raspbian http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154035 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian: Sparky, WAGO, Raspberry Pi OS/Raspbian | Tux Machines [01:51] DaemonFC Freedumb [01:51] techrights-news #KDE: On KDE Connect, Kalendar, Kubuntu, KDE Itinerary, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154036 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: On KDE Connect, Kalendar, Kubuntu, KDE Itinerary, and More | Tux Machines [01:52] schestowitz DaemonFC: something like that: [01:52] schestowitz freedom to be dumb enough to reject the science [01:52] schestowitz and to not follow regulations [01:53] techrights-news #Lakka 3.3 release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154037 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lakka 3.3 release | Tux Machines [01:55] DaemonFC My mom was interested to find out that we were actually rated 15th in world freedom. [01:55] DaemonFC I said I guess if it makes you feel better, the Philippines is like #76. [01:56] DaemonFC Somewhat better than Mexico, but not much. [01:56] DaemonFC It's like the Mexico of Asia. [01:56] DaemonFC MARISOL got pissed when I said "I'm not letting him go back THERE.". [01:57] DaemonFC She's like "WHAT DO YOU MEAN 'THERE'!?". [01:58] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154043 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [01:59] techrights-news Links 1/8/2021: LibreOffice 7.2 RC2 and Lakka 3.3 http://techrights.org/2021/08/01/lakka-3-3/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/01/lakka-3-3/ [01:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 1/8/2021: LibreOffice 7.2 RC2 and Lakka 3.3 | Techrights ● Aug 02 [02:00] DaemonFC schestowitz, A lot of it has to do with severe overpopulation. [02:00] DaemonFC Once you get too many people and too much poverty, the government's not going to be any damned good. [02:01] DaemonFC Because if people do have any say in it, they'll be too backwards to have a functioning democracy. [02:01] activelow as an outsider, i feel, USA changed i think, since early 1990s. [02:02] techrights-news Best 13 Open-source Photography Workflow solutions and Adobe Lightroom alternatives http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154038 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best 13 Open-source Photography Workflow solutions and Adobe Lightroom alternatives | Tux Machines [02:02] techrights-news Linux 5.15 Adding Management Component Transport Protocol (MCTP) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154039 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines [02:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 5.15 Adding Management Component Transport Protocol (MCTP) | Tux Machines [02:02] techrights-news Martn Abente Lahaye: Portfolio 0.9.11 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154040 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #GTK #GNOME [02:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Martn Abente Lahaye: Portfolio 0.9.11 | Tux Machines [02:03] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154044 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [02:03] activelow it is a rather shallow perspective, maybe, for example, i enjoyed some old TV series from USA, such as the X-files, or the Simpsons [02:03] activelow which is USA from 1990s [02:04] activelow wasn't aware the nuanced humor and intellect of that time remained there [02:05] DaemonFC It changed because the current people in the 18-35 demographic are every bit as stupid as they appear. [02:05] techrights-news Linux 5.14-rc4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154045 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines [02:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 5.14-rc4 | Tux Machines [02:05] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.45 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 20.63 swarm size (avg): 283.53 [02:06] DaemonFC Especially the ones in their teens and 20s, and I point them out not because they're any better than the ones <18 but because they can vote and they protest, not having the slightest clue what things liek Communism would actually entail were they successful. [02:07] schestowitz "marisol" is a dutertard [02:07] schestowitz so she contributes to how awful the place is [02:07] DaemonFC Most of them are barely literate and don't know math, and don't know anything except how to shop with their parents' money and god help all of them when their parents die. [02:07] schestowitz anyway, back to tech... [02:08] DaemonFC You can't just "teach freedom" to people who are not civilized enough to be free. [02:08] DaemonFC Who are not enlightened enough to appreciate it. [02:08] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [02:08] DaemonFC Who are not industrious enough to create. [02:08] XRevan86 MinceR: By the way, I couldn't connect to EFnet via TLS, because expired certificate. [02:08] AdmFubar https://www.databreaches.net/hacker-attack-on-the-lazio-region-vaccine-reservations-suspended-shadow-ransomware/ [02:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.databreaches.net | Hacker attack on the Lazio Region. Vaccine reservations suspended, shadow ransomware [02:08] XRevan86 The stamp of quality right there. [02:08] AdmFubar the black hole of quality? [02:09] techrights-news More spying, more #patents ... bucking the trend https://www.sammobile.com/news/patent-reveals-unsightly-galaxy-z-flip-4-with-rotating-hinge-camera/ [02:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patent reveals unsightly Galaxy Z Flip (4) with rotating hinge camera - SamMobile [02:09] DaemonFC The rise in atheism and irreligion in the US hasn't been because people are getting more intelligent and realizing "Hey, this is stupid.". It's because people are miserable. [02:09] DaemonFC You know, the suicide rate has almost doubled in that amount of time too. [02:09] DaemonFC Drug overdose has tripled. [02:10] schestowitz-TR does that include clcohol? [02:10] DaemonFC I don't think I've seen the stats on that. [02:10] schestowitz-TR or just non-legal (to use odd wording) narcotics [02:10] DaemonFC But STDs are at their worst levels ever according to CDC. [02:10] DaemonFC And they felt the need to tweet don't put your condoms in the dishwasher. [02:10] DaemonFC I feel I need to make that into a song somehow. [02:11] schestowitz-TR cdc? [02:11] schestowitz-TR I need to watch out what I eat in america restaurants then [02:11] DaemonFC Centers for Disease "Control". They did a really bang up job with COVID. [02:11] schestowitz-TR esp. the ones with dishwashers :=) [02:12] DaemonFC "Use a new one each time you engage in a different sex act!" [02:12] DaemonFC Thanks, I got this! [02:13] techrights-news #epo stenography https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=20221c0b-6498-4fb9-a4c1-663ce6e436ce rigging of this tribunal needs to be mentioned: http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/g-121-epo-catastrophe/ [02:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Emergency use only: limited ruling on when video conferencing can be imposed for EPO Appeal oral proceedings - Lexology [02:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | G 1/21 is a Catastrophe for the EPOs Legitimacy | Techrights [02:13] DaemonFC I know why the STD rate is exploding. [02:13] DaemonFC 1. People are getting nastier now than ever before. [02:14] schestowitz maybe they should use a sock [02:14] DaemonFC 2. PrEP has made people think they're in the clear, even though it's just (mostly) effective against HIV. [02:14] AdmFubar https://therecord.media/spyware-features-found-in-chinese-state-benefits-app/ [02:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-therecord.media | Spyware features found in Chinese state benefits app - The Record by Recorded Future [02:14] DaemonFC activelow was correct that the US has changed. [02:14] schestowitz and then put that in the laundry... not that penetration with a sock on would pleasure then, but maybe this way they'd just stop f;ing around [02:14] DaemonFC 30 years ago you generally didn't worry about where your kids were if you lived in a small town. [02:15] DaemonFC Now even the small towns are ghetto. [02:15] DaemonFC Getting there. [02:15] schestowitz AdmFubar: CIA front [02:15] schestowitz Recorded Future [02:15] schestowitz they also spy on IRC [02:15] schestowitz so a case of projection [02:15] schestowitz Recorded Future talking about spying [02:15] DaemonFC Your kids made a new friend? Talk to their parents for a bit and then have everyone over for dinner. Take turns on the Nintendo. [02:16] DaemonFC Maybe go fly a kite down at the park. [02:16] DaemonFC Now you have child soldiers. [02:16] DaemonFC Kids murdering kids. [02:16] DaemonFC Chicago is a third world country. [02:16] DaemonFC Stay out! [02:16] DaemonFC It's like that in every Democrat-majority city, you know. [02:16] DaemonFC I wonder why. [02:16] MinceR so it's not part of the USA anymore? [02:16] MinceR nice. [02:17] DaemonFC MinceR, It's basically a city-state that everyone else in Illinois wants rid of. [02:17] AdmFubar https://therecord.media/python-team-fixes-bug-that-allowed-takeover-of-pypi-repository/ [02:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-therecord.media | Python team fixes bug that allowed takeover of PyPI repository - The Record by Recorded Future [02:17] techrights-news A flask of goo that moves to the groove | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/08/01/this-flask-of-goo-moves-to-the-groove/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/02/#latest [02:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | A flask of goo that moves to the groove | Arduino Blog [02:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [02:17] DaemonFC It's pushed the rest of the state into debt for things that don't benefit anyone else and pushed liberal politics on people who don't want it. [02:18] AdmFubar "Flask of Goo" great name for a band... [02:18] techrights-news This magnetically levitated globe is an attractive piece of home decor | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/08/01/this-magnetically-levitated-globe-is-an-attractive-piece-of-home-decor/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/02/#latest [02:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This magnetically levitated globe is an attractive piece of home decor | Arduino Blog [02:18] DaemonFC MinceR, Neighborhood Scout rates cities on crime levels using 1 for most dangerous and 100 for safest. [02:19] DaemonFC Chicago, overall, has a score of 8, and when you consider that almost all of the crime happens in an area the size of a quarter of the city as a whole.... :) [02:19] DaemonFC I think the town mom lives in was like 76 or something. [02:19] techrights-news Squashing bogus #patents has become a business https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/portal-developer-updates-july-2021-reexams #uspto #swpats #fakepatents #unifiedpatents [02:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | July 2021 Developer Updates Unified Patents [02:19] DaemonFC Waukegan was like 18 iirc. [02:19] DaemonFC Not great, but not Chicago either. [02:20] DaemonFC I guarantee you the current outbreak of COVID in Lake County is centered on Waukegan. [02:20] DaemonFC All these black people who won't get their vaccine. [02:20] techrights-news #nokia feeding #patentTrolls https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/7/30/wsou-213-reexamination-request-granted a #micorsoft legacy: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Nokia [02:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | WSOU '213 reexamination request granted Unified Patents [02:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nokia - Techrights [02:20] DaemonFC The state has let it slip a few times that the lowest vaccination rate neighborhoods are majority black. [02:21] DaemonFC There, it can be as low as 20-25%. [02:21] DaemonFC Even though the county as a whole is like over 70% fully vaccinated now. [02:21] DaemonFC It's basically black people giving it to each other. [02:21] techrights-news Fake awards to fake law firms, which basically buy legitimacy from propaganda mills such as this (which they sponsor) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sxdfgp2bc80g/ip-stars-2021-firm-rankings-for-ip-transactions-work [02:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | IP STARS 2021: firm rankings for IP transactions work | Managing Intellectual Property [02:22] DaemonFC The state has done a pretty good job getting the vaccine to others or explaining why they should take it, but there's virtually no uptake in black neighborhoods. [02:22] DaemonFC Then the news (leftists) felt they needed to excuse this with "They think it's the return of the Syphilis experiments!". [02:22] DaemonFC Oh fucking really! Must be why 90% of white people are getting the vaccine. [02:22] activelow DaemonFC: vaccination of exactly what? [02:23] DaemonFC There's something really dodgy with it and it's a conspiracy to commit mass suicide. [02:23] techrights-news #nokia as a #patent parasite http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/07/daimler-reloaded-another-automotive.html it made products until #microsoft decided to crush it. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Nokia [02:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Daimler reloaded: another automotive company takes patent license from Nokia, which consistently insists on end-product-level licensing [02:23] DaemonFC Worst conspiracy ever, in fact. [02:23] DaemonFC The conspirators conspired to conspire themselves to death. [02:23] activelow last week a though i would ask the local vaccination center in Nrberg, and had a phone call. [02:24] DaemonFC The news is blaming the wrong folks. [02:24] DaemonFC If America was 100% white, COVID would be yesterday's news. [02:24] activelow since on TV they say everyone should have received a vaccination offer. i didn't, not would i want to. [02:24] techrights-news Well, they should move to #gnu #linux then... instead they're being manoeuvred by #Microsoft #SouthAfrica [sic], which makes the country even poorer https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/opinion/sa-conflict-2021-ubuntu-is-part-of-the-south-african-dna-5bcf21b9-7273-4bf6-835b-b69b20bb69a6 [02:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iol.co.za | SA Conflict 2021: Ubuntu is part of the South African DNA [02:24] DaemonFC At the levels of vaccine uptake among white people. [02:25] DaemonFC In January, during the worst of it (so far) if you saw anyone out there not wearing their masks, it was a black person. Usually a whole group of them. [02:25] activelow In Nrnberg they are offering the experimental "mRNA" stuff, moderna and biontech, none of which i would trust. [02:25] DaemonFC They had this whole "What are you gonna do about it!?" look on them too. [02:25] techrights-news #google and by extension the US government will keep all this data regardless. You ONLY HIDE IT FROM YOURSELF! https://www.maketecheasier.com/clear-web-browsing-history-android/ [02:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Clear the Web Browsing History on Your Android Device - Make Tech Easier [02:25] DaemonFC But then again, nothing out of the usual there. [02:25] DaemonFC The first one to complain gets shot. :) [02:26] DaemonFC So, this whole shitshow just never ends. [02:26] schestowitz-TR [02:24] If America was 100% white, COVID would be yesterday's news. [02:26] schestowitz-TR BS and OT [02:27] schestowitz-TR covid deniers are mosly american whites [02:27] DaemonFC That's simply not true. [02:27] DaemonFC Look at vaccination rates in Chicago neighborhoods. [02:27] schestowitz-TR in Germany it's people who gravitates towards right-leaning parties [02:27] activelow yes, only moderate right-wing remained credible. [02:28] DaemonFC CDPH released neighborhood by neighborhood percentages. [02:28] DaemonFC And it's always the fucking ghetto ones where it's like really low. [02:28] activelow which is only a small minority remaining: maybe 10% of the entire population, who would at least read and think some newspaper. [02:28] DaemonFC Despite the fact that they can get it for free on every corner. [02:28] schestowitz-TR you use covid for racism, DaemonFC [02:28] schestowitz-TR so wtfu [02:28] schestowitz-TR *stfu [02:29] DaemonFC Frankly, I'm beyond annoyed that we're still dealing with this and that the blame is being shifted to the only people you can still blame for everything. [02:29] schestowitz-TR two BS narratives: [02:29] DaemonFC Even Felta got his vaccine. [02:29] schestowitz-TR people who reject vaccines are anti-science or right wingers [02:29] schestowitz-TR or some "ethinic" smear [02:29] DaemonFC Felta consults psychics and just got banned from Facebook for 30 days for all sorts of reasons. [02:30] schestowitz-TR anyway, back to tech... [02:30] DaemonFC And HE got his vaccine while the news and the public health authorities say you just can't get black people in there. [02:30] schestowitz-TR and patents etc. [02:30] DaemonFC Statistics are not racist. [02:30] schestowitz-TR poor people are more sceptical of vaccines [02:30] DaemonFC You may not be happy with them, but they're not racist. [02:31] schestowitz-TR and in the US race and poverty have a correlation [02:31] DaemonFC You don't use condoms, you get 9x the rate of syphilis and gonorrhea as those who do. [02:31] DaemonFC YOu don't get your COVID shot, you get COVID. [02:31] techrights-news This Week in Linux 162: Framework Laptop, Pop!_OS Rolling Release, Linux Mint, WayDroid https://tuxdigital.com/2021/08/thisweekinlinux-162/ [02:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-162: Framework Laptop, Pop!_OS Rolling Release, Linux Mint, WayDroid | This Week in Linux - TuxDigital [02:32] DaemonFC In fact, I think they should start separating the "positive for the virus" and "COVID" into two separate columns. Four actually. One for vaccinated and unvaccinated too. [02:32] DaemonFC Report it on a web page. [02:32] DaemonFC At this point just being positive for the virus doesn't seem to matter all that much if you have your vaccine. [02:33] DaemonFC COVID is short for "Coronavirus Disease" and if it's not harming you, I don't know if "Disease" is the right thing to call it. [02:33] DaemonFC Infection, sure. Disease. Maybe not. [02:34] activelow the diseases is the fake news [02:34] techrights-news Since when does #Microsoft get to tell us anything about security (while shilling projects it controls in #GitHub )? https://opensourcesecurity.io/2021/08/01/episode-282-the-security-of-rust-who-left-all-this-awesome-in-here/ http://techrights.org/2021/07/25/lectures-from-microsoft/ [02:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensourcesecurity.io | Episode 282 The security of Rust: who left all this awesome in here? Open Source Security [02:34] DaemonFC It's sort of like early HIV pandemic when they were just using "AIDS" for everyone who got it. [02:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | No, Microsoft Does Not Get to Lecture Us on GNU/Linux Security (or Security in General) | Techrights [02:34] DaemonFC Didn't really matter. Usually by the time you knew about it, it was AIDS and nothing to be done, and dead in <5 years. [02:34] DaemonFC Now the distinction between HIV and AIDS matters, so there is one. [02:35] DaemonFC Vaccinated people are almost certainly going to be "Coronavirus carriers" for a week or two and not even notice. [02:36] techrights-news "According to the Steam Survey numbers out today for July 2021, Steam on Linux hit a 1.0% marketshare, or a +0.14% increase over the month prior." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-Linux-July-2021 see http://techrights.org/2021/05/03/statcounter-may-2021/ [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steam Survey Shows Linux Marketshare Hitting 1.0% - Phoronix [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | StatCounter: In May 2021 Windows Market Share Falls Sharply to Just 28%, Whereas GNU/Linux Climbs to 2.31% in Desktops/Laptops | Techrights [02:36] DaemonFC The plague victims are the ones who didn't get the vaccine and go overflow the hospital and then we've got refrigerator trucks for the bodies again. [02:36] DaemonFC At this point there's a choice and that makes getting COVID almsot a moral failing, doesn't it? [02:36] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-010821.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-010821.txt Read the log now... [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 01, 2021 [02:37] techrights-news #IBM "try to force #centos users to become IBM clients" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-010821.html#tAug%2001%2000:08:24 [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 01, 2021 [02:37] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-010821.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-010821.txt Read the log now... [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 01, 2021 [02:38] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-010821.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-010821.txt Read the log now... [02:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 01, 2021 [02:39] DaemonFC Facebook says a link to Richard Stallman's personal website goes against their community standards. [02:39] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-010821.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-010821.txt Read the log now... [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 01, 2021 [02:39] techrights-news "The UK High Court has held that an insulin pump product owned by Roche Diabetes Care does not infringe a patent of US medical device company Insulet (case no: HP-2020-000026)." #patent #patents #uk https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/roche-diabetes-and-wilmerhale-rebut-insulin-pump-infringement-claim-in-london/ [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Roche Diabetes and WilmerHale rebut insulin pump infringement claim in London - JUVE Patent [02:40] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-08-01.txt [02:40] techrights-news Pumping up shares with bubbles and fake "property" https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sx1g25dh7p71/putting-the-ip-in-ipos-how-counsel-help-companies-go-public when #patent hoarders and #litigation firms fund a publication... [02:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Putting the IP in IPOs: how counsel help companies go public | Managing Intellectual Property [02:41] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [02:41] activelow i doubt "covid" as a univariate morbidity indicator is scientifically, uhm, verified [02:43] DaemonFC The official narrative is that "inequality" is killing black people with COVID at higher rates. [02:44] DaemonFC But offering the vaccine for free to everyone on every street corner in America is pretty equitable, wouldn't you say? [02:44] techrights-news #copyright #cartel in #security clothing http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/08/austrian-supreme-court-refers-further.html [02:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Austrian Supreme Court refers further questions for a preliminary ruling on the InfoSoc Directive - The IPKat [02:46] techrights-news "The alternative procedure, namely that of mutual recognition, requires the application of strict conditions, such as the MA application for a given medicinal product in one Member State with the objective to recognize that specific MA in yet other Member States. The factual situation in the case at hand does not meet these requirements." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/07/medicines-directive-interpreted-by-cjeu.html [02:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Medicines Directive interpreted by the CJEU in an interesting new ruling C-178/20 - The IPKat [02:47] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [02:49] DaemonFC It's a lopsided problem. You're dealing with a combined 30% of America's population where 80 or 85% of them won't take the vaccine. [02:49] DaemonFC So they're really punching above their weight when it comes to keeping this thing burning. [02:50] DaemonFC Fauci came out today and said "100 million Americans or so are eligible and won't take it.". Didn't go further than that. But, yeah. [02:51] DaemonFC The government is panicking. They say maybe FDA approval will solve some of the problem. Yeah, that's going to fix "nuts" and "stupid". [02:51] DaemonFC Just slap "FDA approved on it". They'll come around. [02:52] DaemonFC I just don't see how. I mean, short of arresting people and forcing them to take the vaccine, we've hit bedrock. [02:55] techrights-news Very slippery slope in #SouthAfrica https://www.law360.com/articles/1407508/south-africa-issues-world-s-first-patent-with-ai-inventor http://techrights.org/wiki/Software_Patents_in_South_Africa [02:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-South Africa Issues World's First Patent With AI Inventor - Law360 [02:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Patents in South Africa - Techrights [02:57] techrights-news It's not an inventor at all, that's just #patent maximalism at work, trying to make conflicts and legal wars because they profit from chaos https://www.mathys-squire.com/insights-and-events/news/south-africa-issues-worlds-first-patent-naming-ai-as-inventor/ http://techrights.org/wiki/Software_Patents_in_South_Africa [02:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mathys-squire.com | South Africa issues world's first patent naming AI as inventor - Mathys & Squire LLP [02:58] techrights-news #marketing #spam in 'article' clothing (far too common in the #patent #litigation domain) https://whoswholegal.com/analysis/ip-2021---patent-agents--attorneys---legal-marketplace-analysis [02:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-whoswholegal - Analysis - IP 2021 - Patent Agents & Attorneys - Legal Marketplace Analysis ● Aug 02 [03:00] techrights-news #Xfce "Welcome back. This is my last (or second to last) blog post for this year's Google Summer of Code with Xfce and Thunar. Unlike previous weeks this time I have only one new thing to talk to you about. Searching in Thunar." http://users.uoa.gr/~sdi1800073/sources/xfce_blog04.html [03:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-users.uoa.gr | - [03:02] techrights-news "At the end of July, I had some days off and some more time to focus on some unreproducible packages in Arch Linux and get some of the issues resolved. This post goes through the resolved issues by category." https://vdwaa.nl/arch-repro-july-2021.html [03:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vdwaa.nl | Jelly's blog Arch Reproducible Progress July 2021 [03:05] techrights-news Emmanuele Bassi: Documenting GNOME for developers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154046 GNOME breaking backward compatibility for its Web site/s too. Consistent with GNOME and GTK breakage. [03:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Emmanuele Bassi: Documenting GNOME for developers | Tux Machines [03:06] techrights-news A "flush it all down and let's start all over again" in web/dev context is an admission and acceptance of defeat, looking for quick and easy ways out. A form of laziness. [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.01 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 14.58 swarm size (avg): 283.49 [03:07] Ariadne schestowitz-TR: well [03:07] Ariadne i think in terms of techrights [03:07] Ariadne flush it all down and restart [03:07] Ariadne is probably a good idea [03:07] Ariadne since it's a lot of PHP applications glued together in strange ways [03:08] techrights-ipfs-bot Gemini requests since start of month: 34278 total Total pages: 36944 Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 1 months 24 days ago [03:08] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 1.7 GB TotalOut: 446 MB [03:08] techrights-ipfs-bot New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:09] techrights-news #DennisCrouch is still concern-trolling #PTAB , in pursuit of #patent maximalist agenda (maximising lawsuits). He's sponsored by a #litigation giant. https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/08/recent-utility-decisions.html http://techrights.org/2017/03/05/dennis-crouch-worries-about-ptab-and-cafc/ [03:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Three recent Utility Decisions at the PTAB | Patently-O [03:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | PTAB and CAFC Crush Patents on Business Methods and Software, So Dennis Crouch Tries to Slow Them Down | Techrights [03:09] AdmFubar https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/31/2184325/ [03:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The pandemic effect is slowing TechCrunch [03:09] schestowitz Ariadne: if done right, urls can be preserved [03:09] Ariadne sure [03:09] schestowitz e.g. making static pages [03:10] schestowitz unlike what gnome does atm [03:10] Ariadne i'm just saying, the current architecture of techrights [03:10] Ariadne needs to be burned to the ground [03:10] Ariadne :p [03:10] schestowitz not just techrights btw [03:10] schestowitz loads of sites like it [03:10] techrights-ipfs-bot QmNSNxDGf8uW24qwfnLjXrvXVvHmUMuSgb1HJu756yHhud [03:10] schestowitz my own site is mostly static pages [03:11] schestowitz so it was easy to maintain all those years... [03:11] schestowitz AdmFubar: they only cite rich people [03:12] schestowitz and companies [03:12] schestowitz typical wsj/murdoch slant [03:12] schestowitz the rich are doing ok [03:12] schestowitz hence, the nation is ok [03:12] schestowitz never mind the people out of wor [03:12] schestowitz they're all just "lazy" [03:13] techrights-news #Trademarks on STICKS https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/07/trademark-product-functional.html #Trademark #Law [03:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Trademark on Product Design: Are these biscuit sticks functional | Patently-O [03:14] schestowitz another 2 talking points: [03:14] schestowitz 1. THE MARKET IS HOT!! [03:14] schestowitz 2. Unemployment is low. Elephant in the room: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workforce [03:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Workforce - Wikipedia [03:15] schestowitz "As of 2010 in the United States, 123 million women age 16 years and over have worked in the U.S., 72 million, or 58.6 percent, were working or looking for work." [03:16] schestowitz So a lot of this growth was, lower wages [03:16] schestowitz add more people [03:16] schestowitz leave more people unemployed [03:16] schestowitz and then we wonder why the rich get so much richer so fast [03:16] schestowitz we give them all the capital! [03:17] Ariadne sure [03:18] techrights-news The war on #PTAB goes on, boosted by people who favour #fakepatents and frivolous #litigation https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/07/supreme-discretionary-denials.html http://techrights.org/2017/03/05/dennis-crouch-worries-about-ptab-and-cafc/ [03:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Supreme Court Called Again to Review IPR Appeal: This time on Discretionary Denials | Patently-O [03:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | PTAB and CAFC Crush Patents on Business Methods and Software, So Dennis Crouch Tries to Slow Them Down | Techrights [03:19] techrights-news Better than Dennis Crouch's race-baiting against #cafc judges whose decisions he did not like https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/07/congratulations-judge-omalley.html [03:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Congratulations Judge O'Malley [03:23] techrights-news #PostgreSQL Weekly News - August 1, 2021: "PostgreSQL Weekly News is brought to you this week by David Fetter" https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/postgresql-weekly-news-august-1-2021-2267/ [03:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL Weekly News - August 1, 2021 [03:24] DaemonFC schestowitz, If Mandy and I get the shit end of the stick all the time and still manage to do okay most of the time, I don't see what these people are complaining about. [03:24] techrights-news #LinuxActionNews once again engaging in #Microsoft #apologism and boosting, perhaps as the owners of the show would demand http://techrights.org/2020/05/29/jupiter-broadcasting/ [03:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft-Connected CloudGuru Doesnt Care About GNU/Linux and Now Its Gradually Killing the BSD/Linux-Centric Jupiter Broadcasting (Bought by Linux Academy) | Techrights [03:24] DaemonFC They got 18 months of more pay than if they worked. [03:24] schestowitz-TR take that to #techpol [03:24] DaemonFC Then they got 6 months of rent that they could have paid but didn't paid for them by the state. [03:25] DaemonFC Free food. Free internet. Free Medicaid. [03:25] DaemonFC Then all they want to do is complain about all the time off and free money. [03:26] DaemonFC Now the rest of us get to deal with hyperinflation for putting all of these fine folks in a hammock. [03:26] techrights-news #patent #Monopolies versus #accessToMedicines https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/07/patents-drug-availability.html #patents #monopoly [03:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Patents and Drug Availability | Patently-O [03:27] DaemonFC The only way Joe Biden could or would ever win an election is against Donald Trump or at least someone as retarded and crass as Trump. [03:27] DaemonFC It was like Biden was put up in the debates to be a muppet that couldn't take a swing at Trump and he still won somehow. [03:27] techrights-news #AnalyticsIndiaMagazine ... one day it's #microsoft #propaganda (deliberate lies), then it devolves into #plutophilia https://analyticsindiamag.com/elon-musk-neuralink-funding-modi-india-ai-for-all/ [03:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-analyticsindiamag.com | Musks Neuralink Raises Money, Indias AI for All & More:Top Weekly News [03:28] DaemonFC I voted for him, wasn't expecting him to win.... Wasn't entirely confident that Trump would leave after he lost. [03:28] DaemonFC In many ways, we're better off, in many ways we're just as bad off. [03:29] DaemonFC Trump signed plenty of the bills that wasted all of this money and he did it because he didn't want to have a full blown uprising where people would have removed him months before the election. [03:29] techrights-news The #patent system and patent #law hijacked for an entirely different agenda that does not reward #science and #innovation at all https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-01/historic-decision-allows-ai-to-be-recognised-as-an-inventor/100339264 [03:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abc.net.au | Artificial intelligence can now be recognised as an inventor after historic Australian court decision - ABC News [03:29] techrights-news THANK YOU FOR PATENTING! https://journalnow.com/business/local/philip-morris-usa-halts-u-s-expansion-of-heat-not-burn-traditional-cigarettes/article_22cbd4f4-f079-11eb-8c4a-a3b3bee8b682.html [03:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Philip Morris USA halts U.S. expansion of heat-not-burn traditional cigarettes | Local | journalnow.com [03:30] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: it is OT [03:30] DaemonFC But the whole shutdown/lockdown "30 days to slow the spread" that went on for over a year and here we are still in the thick of it. It was political. [03:30] schestowitz-TR take that to an apprporate channel pls [03:33] techrights-news Pretentious lawyers from #london misuse the word "piracy" https://www.mondaq.com/uk/trademark/1096504/bpi-gives-summary-of-agreement-by-creative-industries-and-social-media-firms-on-new-anti-piracy-measures-at-government-roundtable-discussion it's usually their firms that steal the most [03:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | BPI Gives Summary Of Agreement By Creative Industries And Social Media Firms On New Anti-piracy Measures At Government Roundtable Discussion - Intellectual Property - UK [03:35] techrights-news No, there is no such thing as "intellectual property rights" ()several different lies in that term) and monopolies are not a "portfolio"; it's rather revealing who these people front for... https://www.udl.co.uk/insights/how-to-manage-your-patent-portfolio [03:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.udl.co.uk | How to manage your patent portfolio [03:36] techrights-news Opposing unjust #monopolies isn't a weapon and #justice is not a war https://www.worldtrademarkreview.com/portfolio-management/opposition-underestimated-weapon This is a gross reversal of narratives to make victims seem like aggressors. [03:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldtrademarkreview.com | Opposition an underestimated weapon | World Trademark Review [03:38] techrights-news Given the awful quality of today's #EuropeanPatents , this does not deserve a press release https://finance.yahoo.com/news/kane-biotech-receives-decisions-grant-120000161.html see http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/epo-potential-improvements/ [03:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-finance.yahoo.com | Kane Biotech Receives Decisions to Grant for Two European Patents Providing Broad Protection of coactiv+ Technology for Wound Care, Skin Infections and Personal Care Formulations [03:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Staff Representation Again Warns About Collapse in Patent Quality (Due to Bad Management), Suggests Potential Improvements | Techrights [03:42] techrights-news Review: Pacstall - AUR for Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154047 [03:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review: Pacstall - AUR for Ubuntu | Tux Machines [03:45] techrights-news Crouch still trying to create a rift between #CAFC and #PTAB https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/07/adequate-administrative-procedures.html see http://techrights.org/2017/03/05/dennis-crouch-worries-about-ptab-and-cafc [03:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Adequate Notice and the Administrative Procedures Act | Patently-O [03:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | PTAB and CAFC Crush Patents on Business Methods and Software, So Dennis Crouch Tries to Slow Them Down | Techrights [03:46] techrights-news If #taxpayers and #tuition fees funded it, they ought not pursue #patents in the first place, let alone pass these to trolls https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.6.2.20210730a/full/ [03:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-physicstoday.scitation.org | [03:48] techrights-news #Patent #law bordering on the laughable now. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the original purpose of the law. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210729/Worlds-first-patent-for-AI-generated-invention-could-have-repercussions-on-intellectual-property-law.aspx [03:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.news-medical.net | World's first patent for AI-generated invention could have repercussions on intellectual property law [03:49] techrights-news The "hey hi" hype and other nonsense as justification for #patent maximalists, irrespective of any actual benefits to society https://www.technologynetworks.com/tn/news/officials-approve-worlds-first-patent-to-credit-an-ai-as-inventor-351488 [03:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.technologynetworks.com | Officials Approve World's First Patent to Credit an AI as Inventor | Technology Networks [03:50] AdmFubar https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/08/pfizer-court-fight-could-legalize-medicare-copays-and-unleash-gold-rush-in-sales.html [03:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Pfizer Court Fight Could Legalize Medicare Copays and Unleash Gold Rush in Sales | naked capitalism [03:50] AdmFubar https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/07/wolf-richter-after-slashing-33-of-workers-in-6-years-railroads-complain-about-labor-shortages-amid-uproar-over-slow-shipments.html [03:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Wolf Richter: After Slashing 33% of Workers in 6 Years, Railroads Complain about Labor Shortages, amid Uproar over Slow Shipments | naked capitalism [03:51] techrights-news "HEY HI" and "HI PEE"; more useless buzzwords along with "life sciences" (to pretend nature and life are somehow "inventions" https://latinalliance.co/en/the-impact-of-ai-on-life-sciences-for-in-house-ip-teams/ see http://techrights.org/2018/07/08/life-science-patents/ [03:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-latinalliance.co | The impact of AI on life sciences for in-house IP teams - LatinAlliance [03:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Term Life Science Has Outlived Its Usefulness | Techrights [03:53] techrights-news #fakeEconomy #poorShaming https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/07/wolf-richter-after-slashing-33-of-workers-in-6-years-railroads-complain-about-labor-shortages-amid-uproar-over-slow-shipments.html [03:53] AdmFubar https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/08/is-the-soil-an-ecosystem-service-that-can-be-priced.html [03:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Is the Soil an "Ecosystem Service" That Can Be Priced? | naked capitalism [03:54] techrights-news #monopoly #patents #grifting https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/08/pfizer-court-fight-could-legalize-medicare-copays-and-unleash-gold-rush-in-sales.html [03:54] schestowitz AdmFubar: [10:06] Pinnacle of 21st century capitalism: few people becoming millionaires or even billionaires for packing water and soil inside plastics, then selling that plastic for like 1-3 dollars apiece. "SUCCESS" !! [03:54] schestowitz from yesterday [03:55] schestowitz in aldi it's 1.99 for a bag of soil [03:55] schestowitz plastic with dirt in it [03:55] schestowitz some people carve rocks [03:55] AdmFubar you mean dirt with plastic in it. [03:55] schestowitz then sell that for like 20 pounds a rock [03:56] schestowitz nature does not get "commissions" :-) [03:56] schestowitz AdmFubar: lol, yes, that too [03:56] AdmFubar some don't even carve them... them just sell them as pet rocks.. [03:56] schestowitz plastic with dirt with micro-plastics in it [03:56] AdmFubar https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/07/artificial-intelligence-wants-you-and-your-job.html [03:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Artificial Intelligence Wants You (and Your Job) | naked capitalism [03:56] schestowitz worms not included, yet... [03:56] schestowitz AdmFubar: they mean automation [03:56] schestowitz not "HEY HI" [03:57] schestowitz whatever it even means these days... [03:59] AdmFubar off to view the insides of my eyelids.... [03:59] AdmFubar night all [03:59] techrights-news "Over the decades (sigh) Ive been involved in various capacities in cases where practitioners have missed deadlines" https://patentlyo.com/hricik/2021/07/deadlines-thoughts-practices.html #patent #lawyers just don't care. $200 an hour, cannot get the basics right... [03:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Deadlines: Thoughts for Good and Bad Practices? ● Aug 02 [04:01] DaemonFC schestowitz, Nestle invaded Michigan and makes billions selling water in plastic and plastic in water to people like MARISOL. [04:01] DaemonFC They get it all in exchange for paying like $100 a year to the state. [04:01] techrights-news #JoeMatal moved from #USPTO leadership (interim) to the private sector, highlighting sever issues like #revolvingdoors https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/7/29/webinar-materials-truly-inventive-improving-the-quality-of-issued-patents [04:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Webinar Materials - Truly Inventive: Improving the Quality of Issued Patents Unified Patents [04:02] DaemonFC Q: What kind of fucking idiot buys water in plastic bottles when you get the best water in the country already? [04:02] DaemonFC A: MARISOL [04:02] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights [04:02] techrights-news #germany doors open to #patentTrolls and other parasites that feed #de based #law firms http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/07/dusseldorf-appeals-court-narrowly.html [04:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Dusseldorf appeals court narrowly avoids divergent outcomes in Via v. TCL patent cases concerning Sisvel v. Haier FRAND defense, deems TCL unwilling either way [04:03] DaemonFC If it just tastes a little off, you can run it through a cheap filter and put it in the fridge. [04:04] DaemonFC At least that way you get 40 gallons or so out of a $4 filter instead of 5 gallons that you lug home for $6. [04:05] DaemonFC schestowitz, The Tondo Queen likes conspicuous consumption. [04:05] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.50 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 9.58 swarm size (avg): 283.47 [04:08] techrights-news #Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, August 01, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:08] techrights-news #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:10] schestowitz-TR MinceR: real churchill quote? [04:10] MinceR dunno, found it on goodreads.com [04:11] techrights-news #greenwashing #Trademarks http://blog.galalaw.com/post/102h42k/trademarks-eco-friendly-whats-new-in-poland #Trademark #Law #Poland [04:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.galalaw.com | Trademarks "Eco-friendly" What's New in Poland?, Ewa Tefelska [04:13] techrights-news No, it does not "Set Precedent for IP [sic] Laws Everywhere" because that's just the nature of different places having different laws; and #patent maximalists are jubilant about another blow to the credibility of a crooked system https://www.techtimes.com/articles/263517/20210729/ai-invention-gets-patent-world-first-sets-precedent-ip-laws.htm [04:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | AI Invention Gets Patent In a World First; Sets Precedent for IP Laws Everywhere | Tech Times [04:15] techrights-news "two inventors who were finalists of the European Inventor Award 2019, organized by the European Patent Office (EPO)." = Two people were exploited by criminals who engage in #corruption at the #epo as a #reputationlaundering distraction https://emag.directindustry.com/d3o-making-an-impact-in-personal-protective-equipment-ppe-glove-worker-safety-materials/ [04:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-emag.directindustry.com | D3O: Making an Impact in Personal Protective Equipment - DirectIndustry e-Magazine [04:17] techrights-news "Smart Cash Registers" = NOT smart. Just another spammy promotion with intentionally misleading labels. https://domestic-violence.org.uk/uncategorised/50136/smart-cash-registers-market-expectation-surges-with-rising-demand-and-changing-trends/ see http://techrights.org/2021/03/23/war-on-cashiers/ [04:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-domestic-violence.org.uk | Smart Cash Registers Market Expectation Surges with Rising Demand and Changing Trends Domestic Violence [04:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Self-Service is Just an Unjust Disservice by Selfish Business People | Techrights [04:19] techrights-news "The recall is being issued due to the potential presence of small plastic pieces in the product, officials say." Wait, #plastic is BAD for you??? https://hudsonvalleypost.com/supermarket-with-many-hudson-valley-new-york-stores-recalls-item/ [04:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hudsonvalleypost.com | Supermarket With Hudson Valley, New York Stores Recalls 15 Items [04:20] techrights-news #Lawyers or #litigation people won't mind if you claim to "own" the Sky, too https://www.managingip.com/article/b1swwb1jx0h5vz/sky-v-skykick-door-open-for-broad-brands-but-caution-remains #trademark [04:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Sky v SkyKick: door open for broad brands, but caution remains | Managing Intellectual Property [04:21] DaemonFC There's a canned pheasant hunt going on downstate. [04:22] DaemonFC I hope someone invited Dick Cheney.....for the lulz. [04:22] techrights-news Speaking of Sky and #monopolies http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/07/28/promptu-systems-corporation-v-sky-uk-limited-and-others-19-july-2021-case-no-2021-ewhc-2021-pat/ [04:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Promptu Systems Corporation V Sky UK Limited And Others, 19 July 2021, Case No. [2021] EWHC 2021 (Pat) - Kluwer Patent Blog [04:22] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, What kind of a sick fuck grabs a shotgun and goes after some birds that can't even fly, in a fenced area, and calls it hunting? [04:24] techrights-news Given the EU's tolerance and cover-up of #epo crimes, these GIs might get associated with #corruption rather than value https://www.managingip.com/article/b1swgmb34bjhvm/counsel-weigh-up-options-as-eu-eyes-enhanced-gi-protection see http://techrights.org/wiki/EPO [04:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Counsel weigh up options as EU eyes enhanced GI protection | Managing Intellectual Property [04:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights [04:25] techrights-news Fails to note that European Patents aren't often legitimate (not anymore) because the law isn't being obeyed. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cavitation-technologies-inc-cvat-significantly-140000146.html [04:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-finance.yahoo.com | Cavitation Technologies, Inc. (CVAT) Significantly Expands Patent Portfolio [04:25] DaemonFC It doesn't seem like there's much sport in it. [04:26] DaemonFC You're not hunting things. You're just walking up to an animal that someone put there and shooting it. [04:26] DaemonFC Sounds pretty messed up. [04:27] schestowitz-TR yeah [04:27] schestowitz-TR we talked about it yesterday [04:27] schestowitz-TR some places in africa call it "sport" [04:27] schestowitz-TR or "play" [04:27] schestowitz-TR euphemisms for murder-> hunting [04:27] schestowitz-TR Hans Reister [04:27] schestowitz-TR locked up for "play" [04:27] schestowitz-TR "sport" with the wife [04:27] schestowitz-TR "hunting" [04:28] schestowitz-TR *Reiser [04:28] schestowitz-TR humans are good at making up excuses [04:28] schestowitz-TR "cull" [04:29] techrights-news #HowTo Install Damn Vulnerable Web Application on #RockLinux 8 - LinuxCapable https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-damn-vulnerable-web-application-on-rock-linux-8/ #linuxcapable | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/02/#latest [04:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-damn-vulnerable-web-application-on-rock-linux-8/ ) [04:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [04:31] techrights-news Audiocasts/Shows: Linux Action News, Josh Bressers on Security, and This Week in Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154048 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Linux Action News, Josh Bressers on Security, and This Week in Linux | Tux Machines [04:34] techrights-news #diffutils 3.8 released [stable] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154049 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | diffutils-3.8 released [stable] | Tux Machines [04:34] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154050 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [04:35] DaemonFC euphemisms for murder-> hunting [04:35] DaemonFC Well, my uncle hunts, but it's an actual hunt, like for deer. [04:35] schestowitz-TR can the deer fight back? [04:35] DaemonFC And he does take the meat and freeze it, and they eat it all. [04:35] schestowitz-TR does your uncle have to eat just deer? [04:36] DaemonFC I ate some of it once while we were down there. They aren't very well to do, so they do a lot of things themselves. [04:36] schestowitz-TR so he take a live and healthy animal to turn it into his "property" [04:36] DaemonFC If you hunt for meat, you don't spend money at the meat counter at the store. [04:37] DaemonFC The deer are overpopulated. [04:37] schestowitz-TR and humans? [04:37] DaemonFC They starve if the population gets too high, and there's more to hit with your cars. [04:37] techrights-news #Steam Survey Shows Linux Marketshare Hitting 1.0% http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154051 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Steam Survey Shows Linux Marketshare Hitting 1.0% | Tux Machines [04:37] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, You don't like hamburgers? [04:37] schestowitz-TR no [04:38] schestowitz-TR ask bill(tm) [04:38] schestowitz-TR he sells patented stuff [04:38] DaemonFC I'm pretty sure hamburger is a code. [04:38] schestowitz-TR because he could not patent cows [04:38] DaemonFC They're on to pizza. [04:38] DaemonFC So off to hamburgers. [04:38] schestowitz-TR well, EPO gives patents on bred pigs [04:38] DaemonFC I made some hamburgers the other day. [04:38] schestowitz-TR pizza is also pedo code [04:38] schestowitz-TR iirc, child for sex [04:38] schestowitz-TR male [04:39] DaemonFC We don't buy too much red meat at the store anymore unless it's a markdown, and those are rare. It's mostly chicken. [04:39] DaemonFC Oh god, and chicken is code too. [04:39] DaemonFC People are perverts. [04:40] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Someone bought the Rick Jones condo in January. [04:40] DaemonFC Paid like $440,000-ish for it I think. [04:40] techrights-news They mean #monopolies on designs. Yes, monopoly is good for #monopoly "owner"... https://www.worldtrademarkreview.com/portfolio-management/the-economic-value-of-designs [04:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldtrademarkreview.com | The economic value of designs | World Trademark Review [04:41] techrights-news When tech events get hijacked by #patent aggressors looking for a buck by terrifying people or stealing inventories http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/07/28/low-level-of-judicial-activity-during-the-2021-mobile-world-congress/ [04:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Low level of judicial activity during the 2021 Mobile World Congress - Kluwer Patent Blog [04:43] techrights-news #Pfizer #monopolies #greed #anda https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sx28sw0fkk6c/anda-cases-will-hit-decade-low-suggests-h1-2021-data [04:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | ANDA cases will hit decade low, suggests H1 2021 data | Managing Intellectual Property [04:45] techrights-news #eu promoting #monopolies and propping up misleading #propaganda terms, then wonders why there's resistance to it (it also covers up #EPO crimes) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sx0hhjsrpjj1/counsel-eu-ip-support-schemes-for-smes-lack-winning-formula see http://techrights.org/2020/12/01/the-breton-coverup/ [04:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Counsel: EU IP support schemes for SMEs lack winning formula | Managing Intellectual Property [04:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Commissions Thierry Breton Covers Up EPO Corruption For His Friend Benot Battistelli | Techrights [04:48] techrights-news "Judge Kathleen O'Malley will retire from the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in March 2022, it was announced on Wednesday, July 28." https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sxf09rfh6n2d/this-week-in-ip-skykick-opens-door-for-brands-ip-heart-of-uk-innovation-interdigital-beats-lenovo http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Federal_Circuit_%28CAFC%29 [04:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | This week in IP: SkyKick opens door for brands, IP heart of UK innovation, InterDigital beats Lenovo | Managing Intellectual Property [04:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit (CAFC) - Techrights [04:48] *job has quit (connection closed) [04:50] techrights-news By "Sources" they mean sponsors and they moan for "interested parties during litigation" i.e. international law firms rather than people of India. This is a propaganda mill for colonialism through unjust laws, imposed by blackmailing officials https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sxtnp9z1c1h2/india-counsel-call-for-design-system-overhaul [04:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | India counsel call for design system overhaul | Managing Intellectual Property [04:51] techrights-news Truly ridiculous: Why might an Australian Applicant consider nominating the Korean International Search Authority (KR-ISA)? https://www.patentsandtrademarks.com.au/why-might-an-australian-applicant-consider-nominating-the-korean-international-search-authority-kr-isa/ [04:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://www.patentsandtrademarks.com.au/why-might-an-australian-applicant-consider-nominating-the-korean-international-search-authority-kr-isa/ ) [04:51] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [04:51] *job (~job@b9g7r43fzegj6.irc) has joined #techrights [04:52] techrights-news #China turning a broken system against itself, first in #patents and now in #trademarks . Get popcorn. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sxy162pbyrt5/trademark-surge-at-uspto-stifles-madrid-and-pharma-filers [04:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Trademark surge at USPTO stifles Madrid and pharma filers | Managing Intellectual Property [04:55] techrights-news Truly ridiculous #trademarks we've sunk to... https://www.thefashionlaw.com/puma-has-withdrawn-its-opposition-in-fight-over-nikes-footware-trademark/ [04:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Empty reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.thefashionlaw.com/puma-has-withdrawn-its-opposition-in-fight-over-nikes-footware-trademark/ ) [04:56] techrights-news Monopolies on simple names (generic) http://trademarkblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/07/23/ok-everyone-knows-messi-but-miley-cyrus/ [04:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trademarkblog.kluweriplaw.com | OK. Everyone knows MESSI. But Miley Cyrus? - Kluwer Trademark Blog [04:59] techrights-news There is no such thing as #intellectualproperty (it's a delivberate falsehood) so it is a false category and moreover this site is broken. Blank pages unless you run some #ProprietarySoftware from untrusted party https://bookauthority.org/books/new-intellectual-property-books [04:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bookauthority.org | 21 Best New Intellectual Property Books To Read In 2021 - BookAuthority [04:59] techrights-news Latest Arduino Projects http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154052 ● Aug 02 [05:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest Arduino Projects | Tux Machines [05:00] schestowitz DaemonFC: source for the house/apartment sale? [05:02] techrights-news Thugs and liars from #BirdandBird fancy themselves "design" (monopoly) experts https://www.citma.org.uk/resources/eu-designs-update.html see http://techrights.org/2020/09/20/ads-as-podcasts/ and http://techrights.org/2020/08/29/debian-threats-bird-and-bird/ [05:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.citma.org.uk | CITMA - EU designs update [05:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Epitaph for (Death of) Patent-Centric Media: Litigation Giant Bird & Bird Nowadays Doing Ads as Podcasts in Think Tank Site Managing IP | Techrights [05:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Miriam Ballhausen and Debian Money, DebConf Online, Insulting a Volunteer at a Time of Grief | Techrights [05:02] DaemonFC Zillow I think. [05:02] DaemonFC Said it sold in January. [05:03] schestowitz who from? [05:03] schestowitz maybe he already left [05:03] schestowitz and was renting [05:03] schestowitz maybe hiding under some rock with financial support from Famous Criminal(R) [05:04] DaemonFC It doesn't say from/to. [05:04] DaemonFC Just January something. [05:05] DaemonFC https://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/1530-NW-Market-St-98107/unit-211/home/17381899 [05:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-1530 NW Market St #211, Seattle, WA 98107 | MLS# 1653886 | Redfin [05:05] DaemonFC This home last sold for $440,000 on Jan 28, 2021. [05:05] DaemonFC ANyway, gotta go to bed now. [05:05] DaemonFC gn [05:05] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.36 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 96.16 swarm size (avg): 283.38 [05:09] *mib_v4ltne (~aecdb361@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [05:10] techrights-news Haha. "Smart".... https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/07/21/apple-hit-with-patent-infringement-lawsuit-for-selling-a-smart-water-bottle [05:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple hit with patent infringement lawsuit for selling a smart water bottle | AppleInsider [05:12] techrights-news "The overturned ruling bucks the trend we've previously seen in the US and UK." Even the corrupt #EPO opposed this https://gizmodo.com/australian-court-rules-that-yes-ai-can-be-an-inventor-1847394182 [05:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | Australian Court Rules That AI Can Be an Inventor [05:14] techrights-news The term "life science" is a misnomer, just like "IP"; the patent cartel leverages these propaganda term to further an unlawful agenda https://www.iam-media.com/the-benefits-of-outsourcing-patent-activities-life-science-companies-in-changing-ip-landscape see http://techrights.org/2018/07/08/life-science-patents/ [05:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | The benefits of outsourcing patent activities for life science companies in a changing IP landscape | IAM [05:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Term Life Science Has Outlived Its Usefulness | Techrights [05:15] *mib_v4ltne has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [05:15] techrights-news Framing mass #surveillance and abuses of human rights as "innovation" https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2021/07/29/new-apple-patent-reveals-the-ultimate-iphone-upgrade/?sh=6ebb30402e20 #apple #cult [05:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | New Apple Patent Reveals The Ultimate iPhone Upgrade [05:17] techrights-news Sooooooooooooooooooo ugly https://electrek.co/2021/07/27/tesla-cybertruck-design-influences-new-patent/ [05:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-electrek.co | Tesla discloses Cybertruck design influences in fascinating new patent - Electrek [05:19] techrights-news World leader in #fakepatents or low-quality #patents that make you wonder of a Third Opium War has quietly begun already https://www.natlawreview.com/article/china-s-supreme-people-s-court-rules-utility-model-patent-unenforceable-if [05:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.natlawreview.com | Chinas Rules Utility Model Patent Unenforceable [05:20] techrights-news All those #patent #lawyers that lobby to kill millions of people just to keep prices artificially high with #patents dig their own grave; the public opinion on the #patent system is rapidly shifting https://www.natlawreview.com/article/ip-waiver-covid-19-vaccines-what-united-states-support-means-practice [05:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.natlawreview.com | Global COVID Vaccine IP Protection Approval Needed by WTO [05:22] techrights-news The #monopoly #goldrush is good for nobody https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3890900 "incentive to reveal its breakthrough only if its rival has not done so, and only if the research is costly." [05:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-papers.ssrn.com | Revealing Private Information in a Patent Race by Pavel Kocourek :: SSRN [05:23] techrights-news #europe #corruption #patents #eu #epo http://techrights.org/2020/12/01/the-breton-coverup/ [05:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Commissions Thierry Breton Covers Up EPO Corruption For His Friend Benot Battistelli | Techrights [05:24] *mib_v4ltne (~aecdb361@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [05:26] techrights-news NOT at all happy to see #linuxhint turning into more of an #amazon referral #SPAM farm. This has gotten a lot worse lately, making the site as a whole dodgy for its rogue business model. [05:28] techrights-news Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 mini router keeps cool with aluminum alloy cover http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154053 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [05:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 mini router keeps cool with aluminum alloy cover | Tux Machines [05:31] techrights-news We need to form some sort of support network for #journalism to ensure that remaining (functional, honest) news sites don't sell out or defect to the spam/misinformation industry http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/ [05:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Different Types of Spammy Articles and Reviews Which Have Killed Professional Journalism (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights [05:32] techrights-news The financial burden should always be on monopolists, not the accused parties they bully, but #Germany is 'sold' to the highest bidder already (and their lawyers) https://www.mondaq.com/germany/patent/1086052/overview-of-the-costs-of-patent-infringement-and-patent-nullity-proceedings-in-germany [05:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Overview Of The Costs Of Patent Infringement And Patent Nullity Proceedings In Germany - Intellectual Property - Germany [05:35] techrights-news They invent new #laws to protect their dominance and claim that their rivals "break the law" https://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1422048770829651972 [05:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stautistic: Another daily reminder that intellectual property is stupid and is only enforced by people who didnt invent a godd https://t.co/mO1bS7jx1V [05:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stautistic: Another daily reminder that intellectual property is stupid and is only enforced by people who didnt invent a godd https://t.co/mO1bS7jx1V [05:36] techrights-news First test EasyOS Bullseye series http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154054 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [05:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First test EasyOS Bullseye series | Tux Machines [05:37] cubexyz/fn o [05:37] cubexyz/fn typo [05:38] schestowitz-TR where? [05:38] cubexyz/fn me due to x2x [05:38] schestowitz-TR cubexyz did you register with freenode? [05:39] cubexyz/fn I think I did ages ago [05:39] schestowitz-TR I mean on the Web? [05:39] schestowitz-TR if you drop your connection, they won't let you log back in [05:39] cubexyz/fn probably not [05:39] schestowitz We actually moved to #techrights at irc.techrights.org (the IRC client needs to be configured to connect to it) which is the correct channel to use). [05:40] schestowitz freenode is rapidly killing itself [05:40] schestowitz by making it hard to even access [05:40] cubexyz/fn what should I do? [05:40] schestowitz they try to steer people towards "smart" phones and "apps" [05:40] *psydruid has quit (connection closed) [05:41] *job has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:41] schestowitz freenode users went down from 90k to just about 12k this weekend.... in the past 4 months [05:41] schestowitz an alarming trend as they show lack of commitment to freenode's communities [05:42] schestowitz #techrights at irc.techrights.org, port 6667 (there are other channels such as #techbytes #boycottnovell and #boycottnovell-social here also). [05:42] cubexyz/fn ok, I confirmed my nick [05:43] schestowitz I didn't want to give up on freenode like this, but they can vanish at any moment [05:43] schestowitz they bleed users as fast as hell [05:43] cubexyz/fn what's the alternative(s)? [05:43] schestowitz to freenode? [05:43] cubexyz/fn yes [05:43] schestowitz configure your irc client [05:44] schestowitz irc.techrights.org, port 6667 [05:44] schestowitz same channels [05:46] cubexyz/fn oh I see, that's why you have a bridge [05:46] cubexyz/fn so you can still use freenode [05:46] schestowitz-TR yes, freenode obstrtucts many users [05:46] schestowitz-TR over time it gets worse [05:48] cubexyz/fn I've been on IRC a long time [05:48] cubexyz/fn can't remember when I started... sometime in the 1990's [05:50] schestowitz-TR same here [05:50] schestowitz-TR I got my first modem, then irc [05:51] schestowitz https://www.ebay.com/itm/273885047671 [05:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dynamode 144ATB-B Rev 1.1 14.4 Kbps ISA FAX / Modem Card | eBay [05:51] schestowitz wow, they still sell them [05:51] cubexyz/fn ah, here's some history: [05:51] schestowitz those were the times [05:51] schestowitz disks 200MB in size [05:52] cubexyz/fn feb 28th, 1995 mirc is released [05:52] schestowitz and one mp3 taking half an hour to download [05:52] schestowitz we had to budget things, unlike now... [05:52] cubexyz/fn the bad old days when I was using win95 [05:53] cubexyz/fn although you my credit I was checking Minix, FreeBSD, OS/2 out at the time [05:53] schestowitz anyway, better reconfigure your irc clients [05:53] cubexyz/fn s/you/to/ [05:53] cubexyz/fn ok [05:53] schestowitz freenode looks like a ticking time bomb to me [05:53] cubexyz/fn thanks for telling me [05:53] schestowitz maybe their aim it to convert some of what's left into irc.com "APP" users [05:55] schestowitz hours ago daemonfc told me that the VPN company (PIA) that bought freenode now routes all the traffic through some very dodgy entity, maybe one that spies on IRC traffic [05:55] schestowitz like these: https://www.recordedfuture.com/solutions/dark-web-monitoring/ [05:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.recordedfuture.com | Threat Intelligence for Dark Web Monitoring | Recorded Future [05:56] schestowitz https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/emailid/1149001 [05:57] schestowitz "Recorded Future engaged in analysis of our data, searching for references to Tor exit node IP addresses" [05:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks - The Hackingteam Archives [05:58] *CParadoxum_ has quit (connection closed) [05:58] *CParadoxum_ (~quassel@m4gsqtdgyy73q.irc) has joined #techrights ● Aug 02 [06:00] *mib_3xxrvt has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [06:01] schestowitz "The public site Recorded Future is referencing is Pastebin. A commenter on the original post laid out what happened: Some time after the URL was published, it was posted to Pastebin, which is a public text repository, like imgur. There, it was crawled by Recorded Future." [06:01] schestowitz http://bostinno.streetwise.co/2015/04/15/facebook-chat-security-recorded-future-cia-dont-crawl-it-they-say/ [06:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.americaninno.com | NO TITLE [06:01] schestowitz http://bostinno.streetwise.co/2015/04/16/recorded-future-has-raised-12m-for-its-cyber-threat-web-crawling-service/ [06:01] schestowitz http://techfrag.com/2015/04/17/facebook-chats-monitored-cia-funded-agencies/ [06:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failed connect to techfrag.com:80; Connection refused ( status 0 @ http://techfrag.com/2015/04/17/facebook-chats-monitored-cia-funded-agencies/ ) [06:02] schestowitz Maybe those firms are a much greater threats than whatever they claim to be tackling [06:02] schestowitz and then you see who's funding them [06:02] schestowitz it's just surveillance information warfare [06:02] schestowitz and www is their battleground [06:02] *job (~job@b9g7r43fzegj6.irc) has joined #techrights [06:05] techrights-news The #GNU C Library version 2.34 is now available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154055 http://techrights.org/2021/07/29/ibm-and-the-coup/ [06:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The GNU C Library version 2.34 is now available | Tux Machines [06:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Half the People in This Letter Are IBM Employees | Techrights [06:05] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.15 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 88.51 swarm size (avg): 283.28 [06:07] techrights-news Salaries over time... https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1c5w3YHY [06:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Salaries in 1990s - post regarding IBM layoffs [06:08] techrights-news "Im referring to a post specifically about the #email debacle, but its not the first time that some people at #IBM have gotten away with something so easily. Why are they so privileged? If I were guilty of a much smaller mistake, I wouldn't be here right now." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1c5TfOLE [06:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | How do some people manage to escape responsibility just like that? - post regarding IBM layoffs [06:09] techrights-news #ibm as dying company https://logicmag.io/nature/in-the-shadow-of-big-blue/ [06:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-logicmag.io | In the Shadow of Big Blue [06:09] techrights-news #ibm in the process of becoming #memorabilia https://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/local/2021/07/29/ibm-country-club-new-lifebroome-county-finds-developer/5415381001/ [06:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pressconnects.com | IBM Country Club to get new life if Broome County finds developer [06:10] techrights-news " #IBM is suffering from a lack of vision." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1c6Seone [06:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Messed up priorities once again - post regarding IBM layoffs [06:13] techrights-news Sometimes it feels like instead of fighting against #microsoft the old Big Blue #ibm fights against the #FSF http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/ [06:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | Techrights [06:32] *mib_v4ltne has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) ● Aug 02 [07:03] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Aug 02 [08:00] techrights-news Giving Microsoft control over files is not a wise idea https://itsfoss.com/onedriver/ [08:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-itsfoss.com | Mount Microsoft OneDrive in Linux With OneDriver GUI Tool [08:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [08:02] techrights-news Stop calling #listeningDevices ... they're for gullible people https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/08/02/steval-voice-ui-amazon-qualified-alexa-smart-home-evaluation-kit-is-based-on-stm32h7-mcu/ [08:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | STEVAL-VOICE-UI Amazon qualified Alexa Smart Home evaluation kit is based on STM32H7 MCU - CNX Software [08:03] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:05] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.16 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 120.60 swarm size (avg): 283.10 [08:05] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [08:21] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [08:43] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@5rh5mmnxx482e.irc) has joined #techrights [08:43] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [08:53] techrights-news #IRC Proceedings: Sunday, August 01, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/08/02/irc-log-010821/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/02/irc-log-010821/ [08:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Sunday, August 01, 2021 | Techrights [08:53] techrights-news #9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: August 1st, 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154056 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: August 1st, 2021 | Tux Machines [08:59] techrights-news It already it, it always is, based it is back doored https://www.techgamingreport.com/how-to-look-at-if-your-iphone-is-infected-and-spied-on/ [08:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techgamingreport.com | how to look at if your Iphone is infected and spied on ● Aug 02 [09:00] techrights-news #Xfce: Search improvements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154057 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xfce: Search improvements | Tux Machines [09:00] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154058 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [09:02] techrights-news AWS adds browser access to its cloudy WorkSpaces desktops but not for Linux The Register https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/02/aws_daas_workspaces_web_access/ avoid #aws and all this #clowncomputing nonsense http://techrights.org/2020/06/10/the-bezos-leaning-ploy/ [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | AWS adds browser access to its cloudy WorkSpaces desktops but not for Linux The Register [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | AWS is Not GNU/Linux and AWS Certification is a Bezos-Leaning Ploy That Rewards People for Memorising Proprietary Interfaces (Vendor Lock-in) | Techrights [09:03] techrights-news #dav1d 0.9.1 Released With More Optimizations - Particularly For Older CPUs https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Dav1d-0.9.1-Released [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dav1d 0.9.1 Released With More Optimizations - Particularly For Older CPUs - Phoronix [09:05] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.16 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 75.70 swarm size (avg): 283.03 [09:14] techrights-news Links 2/8/2021: Linux 5.14 RC4 and 20% Growth in Steam http://techrights.org/2021/08/02/linux-5-14-rc4/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/02/linux-5-14-rc4/ [09:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 2/8/2021: Linux 5.14 RC4 and 20% Growth in Steam | Techrights [09:14] techrights-news IBM/Red Hat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154059 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:14] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154060 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [09:15] techrights-news 17 videos this past week in #techrights http://techrights.org/videos/ [09:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full Videos Index [09:20] *psydroid_ (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights [09:22] *Guest6611 has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [09:32] *birkoff (birkoff@birkoff.thunderirc.net) has joined #techrights [09:32] *birkoff has quit (Changing host) [09:32] *birkoff (birkoff@user/birkoff) has joined #techrights [09:35] techrights-news Sounds like #kape and its parent company that destroyed #freenode and harmed #irc as a whole https://www.timesofisrael.com/foreigners-file-slew-of-lawsuits-against-alleged-israeli-investment-scammers/ [09:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timesofisrael.com | Foreigners file slew of lawsuits against alleged Israeli investment scammers | The Times of Israel [09:37] techrights-news Please, people, stop assuming every system has #webp support, and please stop putting that in Web pages. Older systems in particular are discriminated against. #google #www [09:37] techrights-news #Seeed Dual Gigabit Ethernet Carrier Board for Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 Review: Serving Your Needs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154061 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Seeed Dual Gigabit Ethernet Carrier Board for Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 Review: Serving Your Needs | Tux Machines [09:39] techrights-news The dog did not even understand this. Why did this become "news"? Goodwill fluff? Copaganda? https://www.miragenews.com/police-dog-kaos-receives-gsdca-outstanding-606067/ [09:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.miragenews.com | Police Dog Kaos receives GSDCA Outstanding Canine Service Award | Mirage News [09:41] techrights-news No More Shouting The Name "Power". #IBM isn't going to ban the word "POWER!"... or "Whitehurst". "Whitelist" racist, "Whitehurst" is allll cool. That man from Alabama. https://www.itjungle.com/2021/08/02/no-more-shouting-the-name-power-well-except-in-our-title-here/ [09:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itjungle.com | No More Shouting The Name "Power" (Well, Except In Our Title Here) - IT Jungle [09:42] techrights-news Watson is a Lot More Offensive Than Whitelist and Master http://techrights.org/2020/07/25/watson-offensive/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/07/25/watson-offensive/ [09:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Watson is a Lot More Offensive Than Whitelist and Master | Techrights [09:44] techrights-news This #ibm sponsored 'publisher' (PR apparatus) still talks about #WebSphere like it's a thing... https://www.itjungle.com/2021/08/02/in-the-api-world-nobody-knows-you-are-an-ibm-i/ [09:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itjungle.com | In The API World, Nobody Knows You Are An IBM i - IT Jungle [09:46] techrights-news #israel #surveillance in "HEY HI" and "Log Analytics" clothing https://nocamels.com/2021/08/ai-log-analytics-coralogix-55m-funding/ [09:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nocamels.com | Log Analytics Startup Coralogix Closes $55M Funding Round [09:51] techrights-news Two more #patent offices have gone completely bonkers. It's time to consider if this sort of moment is a suggestion we need to scrap the patent system and start it over again. It's rigged and unhelpful to actual innovation. In COVID's case, it is killing millions of people unnecessarily. For profit. https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/02/ai_inventor_allowed_in_australia/ [09:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Australian court rules an AI can be considered an inventor on patent filings The Register [09:52] techrights-news This propaganda mill #managingip continues to be just an amplifier of parasitic lawyers' agenda (because they pay for it) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sxydhp6036kv/what-us-in-house-want-from-china-counsel [09:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | What US in-house want from China counsel | Managing Intellectual Property [09:53] techrights-news Legal tender in #ElSalvador : First the U.S. dollar, and now #Bitcoin http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/08/legal-tender-in-el-salvador-first-us.html [09:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Legal tender in El Salvador: First the U.S. dollar, and now Bitcoin - The IPKat [09:55] techrights-news This site is bribes by #billgates and I've lost count of the number of sites in #africa that he bribed to lie to African people and push his #patent (or #monopoly ) agenda... https://allafrica.com/stories/202108020136.html [09:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tanzania: Mwinyi Wants Economic Diplomacy Strengthened - allAfrica.com [09:57] techrights-news Use #OpenCV on #Fedora #Linux part 1 https://fedoramagazine.org/use-opencv-on-fedora-linux-part-1/ I've used both at work... [09:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | Use OpenCV on Fedora Linux part 1 - Fedora Magazine [09:59] techrights-news #Lutris #game manager 0.5.9-beta1 is out adding #EpicGames Store support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154028#comment-30433 ● Aug 02 [10:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lutris 0.5.9 Beta Released With Epic Games Store Support, DXVK-NVAPI/DLSS, Gamescope | Tux Machines [10:00] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:01] techrights-news Linux has finally hit that almost mythical 1% user share on Steam again http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154051#comment-30434 [10:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Steam Survey Shows Linux Marketshare Hitting 1.0% | Tux Machines [10:04] techrights-news #Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154062 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [10:07] *libertybox_ (~schestowitz_log@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [10:07] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [10:07] *Techrights-sec2 (~quassel@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [10:07] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:08] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:14] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights U.S. Govt: Persistent 'Copyright Troll' Lawyer Should Serve Full Prison Sentence https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-govt-persistent-copyright-troll-lawyer-should-serve-full-prison-sentence-210801/ [10:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-U.S. Govt: Persistent 'Copyright Troll' Lawyer Should Serve Full Prison Sentence * TorrentFreak [10:14] techrights-news NEWS #FortranLang #Fortran newsletter: August 2021 https://fortran-lang.org/newsletter/2021/08/01/Fortran-Newsletter-August-2021/ [10:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fortran-lang.org | Fortran newsletter: August 2021 - Fortran Programming Language [10:15] techrights-news NEWS #Joinup #Science France recognises #freesw in its National Plan for Open Science 2021-2024 Permalink https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/open-source-software-supported-french-open-science-policy [10:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Open source software supported in the French open science policy | Joinup [10:15] techrights-news NEWS #OpenScience #Science Second National Plan for Open Science: Generalising open science in France: 2021-2024 https://www.ouvrirlascience.fr/second-national-plan-for-open-science/ [10:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ouvrirlascience.fr | Ouvrir la Science - Second National Plan for Open Science [10:16] techrights-news NEWS #TheEconomist #Hardware Will Nvidias huge bet on HEY HI chips pay off? https://www.economist.com/business/2021/08/01/will-nvidias-huge-bet-on-artificial-intelligence-chips-pay-off [10:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Will Nvidias huge bet on artificial-intelligence chips pay off? | The Economist [10:54] psydruid > [notice] www.itjungle.com | No More Shouting The Name "Power" (Well, Except In Our Title Here) - IT Jungle [10:54] psydruid There will be no more need to shout POWER when it is DEAD due to cheap hardware running GNU/Linux killing it [10:58] Ariadne i wish that IBM cared more about openpower [10:58] Ariadne but they seem to have stopped caring since RH acquisition ● Aug 02 [11:05] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.76 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 74.63 swarm size (avg): 282.95 [11:44] *job has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Aug 02 [12:14] techrights-news #Microsofr #Windows TCO: #IndiaTimes #ProprietarySoftware #Ransomware attacks hit record 300 mn in 1st half of 2021: Report https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/ransomware-attacks-hit-record-300-mn-in-1st-half-of-2021-report/84963572 [12:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | ransomware attacks: Ransomware attacks hit record 300 mn in 1st half of 2021: Report, IT News, ET CIO [12:16] techrights-news NEWS #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance Elite students are debating hot-button issues on an invite-only TikTok clone https://www.theverge.com/22588932/polemix-app-tiktok-clone-students-invite-only-debating-app [12:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Elite students are debating hot-button issues on a new invite-only app - The Verge [12:16] techrights-news NEWS #IndiaTimes #Privacy #Surveillance #FB developing HEY HI, new ways to detect users under age 13 https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/next-gen-technologies/fb-developing-ai-new-ways-to-detect-users-under-age-13/84963677 [12:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | facebook: FB developing AI, new ways to detect users under age 13, IT News, ET CIO [12:16] techrights-news NEWS #TheHill #PrivacyAbuse #Surveillance #Zoom settles user #privacy case for $85M https://thehill.com/policy/technology/565848-zoom-settles-user-privacy-case-for-85m [12:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Zoom settles user privacy case for $85M | TheHill [12:16] techrights-news NEWS #Reuters #PrivacyAbuse #Surveillance #Zoom reaches $85 mln settlement over user #privacy , 'Zoombombing' https://www.reuters.com/technology/zoom-reaches-85-mln-settlement-lawsuit-over-user-privacy-zoombombing-2021-08-01/ [12:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Zoom reaches $85 mln settlement over user privacy, 'Zoombombing' | Reuters [12:17] techrights-news NEWS #Bloomberg #Privacy #Surveillance #Zoom Settles Consumer Claims Over Privacy for $85 Million https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-01/zoom-settles-consumer-claims-over-privacy-for-85-million [12:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [12:19] techrights-news NEWS #OutlookIndia #Censorship Pitchers Star Naveen Kasturia On Censorship: It Is Like Judging Your Own Peoples Maturity https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/entertainment-news-pitchers-star-naveen-kasturia-on-censorship-it-is-like-judging-your-own-peoples-maturity/390083 [12:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.outlookindia.com | Pitchers Star Naveen Kasturia On Censorship: It Is Like Judging Your Own Peoples Maturity [12:28] techrights-news #nytimes is shifting the blame away from #Microsoft https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/opinion/sunday/russia-ransomware-hacking.html the problem is Microsoft itself: http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ [12:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Opinion | Russias New Form of Organized Crime Is Menacing the World - The New York Times [12:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights [12:33] psydruid if they really cared they would be working on an SBC similar to an x86 mini-desktop to get people familiar with the hardware and writing software for it, even if that meant it would only have 2 or 4 cores [12:38] techrights-news #gnu #linux #golug http://troubleshooters.com/linux/presentations/golug_software_guide/dng_software_guide.otl [12:38] techrights-news #smbc #purity https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/purity-2 [12:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Purity [12:39] techrights-news #section230 https://www.wsj.com/articles/free-speech-youtube-section-230-censorship-content-moderation-susan-wojcicki-social-media-11627845973 [12:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free Speech and Corporate Responsibility Can Coexist Online - WSJ [12:51] techrights-news Orbiter Space Flight Simulator goes open source | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/orbiter-space-flight-simulator-goes-open-source but #github is #Proprietarysoftware ... #deletegithug to avoid #microsoft and #nsa etc. controlling the project [12:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Orbiter Space Flight Simulator goes open source | GamingOnLinux [12:52] techrights-news Iron Gate tease more of what's coming to Valheim in Hearth & Home | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/iron-gate-tease-more-of-whats-coming-to-valheim-in-hearth-a-home #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/02/#latest [12:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Iron Gate tease more of what's coming to Valheim in Hearth & Home | GamingOnLinux [12:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [12:56] techrights-news Steam Survey: Linux Gaming Market Share Climbs to 1%... http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154051#comment-30436 [12:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Steam Survey Shows Linux Marketshare Hitting 1.0% | Tux Machines [12:58] techrights-news Valve talk about learning from mistakes with the upcoming Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/valve-talk-about-learning-from-mistakes-with-the-upcoming-steam-deck #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/02/#latest [12:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Valve talk about learning from mistakes with the upcoming Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux ● Aug 02 [13:02] techrights-news #Games: Orbiter Space Flight Simulator and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154063 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Orbiter Space Flight Simulator and More | Tux Machines [13:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.28 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 75.68 swarm size (avg): 282.90 [13:06] techrights-news #covid19 "cases" worldwide (inc. healed/recovered people), at least the confirmed ones (the complete number might be well over a billion, with asymptomatic and poor countries/remote areas), about to exceed 0.2 billion people. Our approach is to keep away from people like with pollution... COVID does not pass easily when you quarantine and wash everything that comes home [13:09] techrights-news Sunday deaths with #covid19 in #uk @ 65. Yes, highest since March! 2nd worst in EU/Europe: 18. Then 3rd: 10. 4th: 10. 8, 6, 5... we're worse off than all of them COMBINED. #borisnaro failed us. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/07/20/mass-infection/ [13:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Mass infection is not an option: we must do more to protect our young [13:12] techrights-news "Most people did not get so traumatized as that. That does not imply it did not affect them. I suspect that the TV coverage may have shifted millions of people's perceptions, so that they overestimated the danger of terrorism while downplaying the danger of laws that take away freedom." https://stallman.org/articles/dont-watch-covid-tv.html [13:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Dont watch TV coverage of Covid-19! [13:13] techrights-news Has this number exceeded $50,000,000,000,000 by now? 2012: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722 [13:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | Reuters [13:15] Ariadne incidentally, due to climate change, we are going to have a negative leapsecond in October [13:15] Ariadne if you guessed that all timekeeping-related software was not written with the expectation of a negative leapsecond, you'd be correct [13:16] Ariadne GPS week 2180 is the real Y2K [13:34] activelow crazy, didn't at least hear of this before [13:34] activelow and it is only 3 month remaining] [13:40] Ariadne well, it was not really supposed to be a serious event [13:40] Ariadne except gpsd was expecting a positive leapsecond to be introduced [13:41] Ariadne instead we get this weird zero-length leapsecond, which when run through gpsd, makes gpsd roll the clock back to 2001 [13:41] Ariadne :D [13:41] Ariadne October 24th is going to be a very interesting day [13:44] schestowitz-TR How will databases cope? [13:44] schestowitz-TR that might sort events wrongly [13:44] schestowitz-TR if the UNIX systems hold time for a second (literally) [13:47] Ariadne databases use monotonic time [13:47] Ariadne which can only move forward [13:50] schestowitz-TR we has many incidents at work [13:50] schestowitz-TR psql with new years and leap hours/years [13:50] schestowitz-TR the worst ones are hours happening "twice" [13:50] schestowitz-TR I suggested we move everything to utc [13:50] schestowitz-TR no more bst [13:51] activelow doing this for 15 years: UTC only [13:51] techrights-news #Fenix Linux Streams YouTube Fullscreen on Raspberry Pi 4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154064 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fenix Linux Streams YouTube Fullscreen on Raspberry Pi 4 | Tux Machines [13:52] activelow although recently i was confused again, about TAI (known to differ), and i didn't feel confident about the NTP servers and clients on linux recently [13:52] techrights-news Linux for Starters: Your Guide to Linux Understanding the File System Part 12 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154065 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux for Starters: Your Guide to Linux Understanding the File System Part 12 | Tux Machines [13:52] activelow whenever a network service requires root-privileges [13:53] activelow tried openbsd openntpd then, which fails to synchronize system clock on linux, for unknown reasons [13:53] activelow and some other options have other problems [13:54] Ariadne UTC is the most practical option, but TAI is the most correct ● Aug 02 [14:00] *ornxka has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [14:01] *ornxka (~ornxka@user/ornxka) has joined #techrights [14:01] XRevan86 schestowitz: The latest mess on freenode doesn't require re-registration. But cubexyz might have problems connecting regardless, depends on the client and settings. [14:04] MinceR 02 141519 < Ariadne> incidentally, due to climate change, we are going to have a negative leapsecond in October [14:05] MinceR how does climate change affect that? [14:05] Ariadne the rotational speed of the earth has changed, which resulted in an expected leap second being cancelled back in July [14:05] MinceR yeah, but how does climate change speed up the rotation of the earth? [14:05] Ariadne fuck if i know, ask the IERS [14:06] Ariadne my guess is changes in atmospheric turbulence causing increased rotation, but i'm not an expert :) [14:06] schestowitz-TR sounds like they just stuck "climate change" in some unknown [14:06] Ariadne probably [14:07] schestowitz-TR it's being plugged into lots of things [14:07] schestowitz-TR if you don't agree, you are anti-science [14:07] schestowitz-TR recently a lack of lorries caused a supply chain issue [14:07] schestowitz-TR no food [14:07] schestowitz-TR not enough truck drivers [14:07] schestowitz-TR UK media tried to blame that on "climate change" [14:08] schestowitz-TR later they wonder, after they cry wolf, why people "own the libs" [14:08] schestowitz-TR by denying "climate change" is even a thing [14:08] schestowitz-TR 2000: tell people to stop using the N word [14:09] schestowitz-TR 2020: IBM tells us to stop using the M word [14:09] schestowitz-TR and we look like fools [14:10] schestowitz-TR IBM 1930s: nothing wrong with the F word [14:10] schestowitz-TR (we mean Fuhrer) [14:11] schestowitz-TR Raspi Fn.: critics of Microsoft malware are "Microsoft bashing" [14:11] schestowitz-TR IBM: critics of the Nazi Party as "bashers" of our second-biggest client [14:11] schestowitz-TR corporate standards... it's OK for them, not for us [14:14] techrights-news Jupiter Nano ARM based mini PC can run NuttX RTOS or Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153997#comment-30437 [14:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Jupiter Nano Tiny Cortex-A5 board runs Linux or NuttX RTOS (Crowdfunding) | Tux Machines [14:15] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154066 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [14:34] techrights-news [Meme] Vichyite Battistelli Committed Crimes and His Buddy Antnio Snubs Courts That Confirm These Are #Crimes http://techrights.org/2021/08/02/epo-crimes/ #epo #europe #patents #iloat [14:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Vichyite Battistelli Committed Crimes and His Buddy Antnio Snubs Courts That Confirm These Are Crimes | Techrights [14:50] techrights-news It Almost Feels Like #Battistelli Still Runs the EPO (by Extension/Proxy) http://techrights.org/2021/08/02/a-mafia-run-office/ #europe #crime #epo #ceipi [14:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | It Almost Feels Like Battistelli Still Runs the EPO (by Extension/Proxy) | Techrights ● Aug 02 [15:05] techrights-news Links 2/8/2021: Open Science in France and Zoom Pays to Settle Privacy Violations http://techrights.org/2021/08/02/open-science-in-france/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/02/open-science-in-france/ [15:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 2/8/2021: Open Science in France and Zoom Pays to Settle Privacy Violations | Techrights [15:05] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.96 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 116.01 swarm size (avg): 282.79 [15:07] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154067 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [15:10] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/06/13/cf35261c1dde5518.jpg [15:10] techrights-news Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154068 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [15:11] schestowitz-TR MinceR: nana made fine meatballs [15:12] schestowitz-TR tbh, youtube has become mostly unacceptable to me, not as a matter of prnciple but paragmatic aspecrs [15:12] schestowitz-TR you can NEVER access a video, here in the UK, without an ad pushed to you prior [15:12] schestowitz-TR and skipping has been made harder too [15:13] schestowitz-TR sometimes they inject ads into the middle of a video at unexpected times [15:13] schestowitz-TR so if you work out, you need to walk to the laptop to skip ads [15:13] MinceR :) [15:13] schestowitz-TR that's why we now use the yewtu.be instance [15:13] schestowitz-TR and never ads again [15:13] MinceR uBlock Origin blocks the ads youtube inserts [15:13] schestowitz-TR no more nana meatballs [15:13] schestowitz-TR MinceR: on laptops that have it [15:14] MinceR there's some software/service that also skips ads embedded by the video authors [15:14] MinceR youtube-dl and mpv also skip the ads youtube inserts :> [15:14] schestowitz-TR those are semi-solutions [15:14] MinceR well, yeah [15:14] schestowitz-TR tbh, I'm glad not to bother at all with youtube [15:14] schestowitz-TR that's clown computing/social control media [15:14] schestowitz-TR you sign up [15:14] schestowitz-TR it changes over time [15:15] schestowitz-TR you must press OK to any changes they made [15:15] schestowitz-TR and the exit barriers have gone u [15:15] schestowitz-TR so they exploit monopoly, inertia, lock-in to impose crazy new rules on you [15:15] schestowitz-TR like Google inserting ads it won't even pay "creators" for [15:15] schestowitz-TR so, [15:15] schestowitz-TR your [sic] youtube channel [15:16] schestowitz-TR (Google's, you are just a tenant) [15:16] schestowitz-TR even if you promised "NEVER ADS" [15:16] schestowitz-TR will STILL have ads [15:16] schestowitz-TR but ones you won't even cash in on [15:16] schestowitz-TR IIRC, this is why many people quit youtube in droves [15:17] schestowitz-TR but at huge expense to themselves, like 40k or so channels that had to flee freenode.net [15:17] schestowitz-TR and some still have not [15:17] schestowitz-TR in techrights I put no CMS for videos [15:17] schestowitz-TR it's all just filesystem and hypertext tying that together, not sure how mediagloblin will mature in a decade or two [15:18] schestowitz-TR it seems too stagnant already (it was also weak technically when I checked) [15:19] techrights-news #gogole #youtube is #clowncomputing / #socialcontrolmedia and it screws everyone. #deleteYouTube https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/06/13/cf35261c1dde5518.jpg [15:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/06/13/cf35261c1dde5518.jpg ) [15:19] schestowitz-TR there's this myth that youtube makes people "stars" [15:19] schestowitz-TR for more than a limited period of times [15:19] schestowitz-TR they like to selective measure things [15:20] schestowitz-TR maybe one in thousands will reach audience of just thousands [15:20] schestowitz-TR case of point, spamnil. [15:21] schestowitz-TR Invested tons of money in eqipment, made tons of videos, his latest videos are 16 views (3 days ago) [15:21] schestowitz 16 views 3 days ago [15:21] schestowitz 29 views 3 days ago [15:21] schestowitz 19 views 3 days ago [15:21] schestowitz 26 views 3 days ago [15:21] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/c/TFiRio/videos [15:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TFiR - YouTube [15:21] schestowitz and he takes like a whole day just to make a video! [15:21] schestowitz his site is just as bad [15:22] schestowitz no more than 50 views per blog post [15:22] schestowitz linux.com became the same [15:22] schestowitz after they left him in charge for like a year [15:22] schestowitz later they hired Microsoft Perlow [15:22] MinceR there's also the unjustified deletions [15:22] schestowitz who made it no better [15:22] schestowitz The linux "publicists" are awful [15:22] MinceR often triggered by bots [15:22] schestowitz they drive away the ACTUAL users [15:23] schestowitz MinceR: youtube sent me many emails about copyrights [15:23] schestowitz but I used LEGALLY the tracks I put in shows [15:23] *mib_205fpc (~48dee8f9@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [15:23] schestowitz AFAIK [15:23] schestowitz they just scan [15:23] schestowitz "OH, WE HAVE THIS TRICK IN OUR DATABASE" [15:23] schestowitz ->send angry email to "content" "creator" [15:23] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP0DYh2wtN1I5DK2bMalMXQ [15:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz - YouTube [15:24] schestowitz however, they never ever took down a video of mine... yet [15:24] schestowitz I stopped uploading about 8 years ago [15:24] schestowitz Then tried a couple dozen that I had already uploaded to techrights [15:24] schestowitz audience small, youtube hides it [15:25] schestowitz Oh, it says I actually stopped 9 years ago [15:25] schestowitz it was not worth the extra effort/steps [15:25] schestowitz I had ffmpeg set up to split shows into 10-minute segments [15:25] schestowitz the upload can be streamlined but not automated [15:25] schestowitz tsdr: [15:26] schestowitz for 99% of people using youtube to share video would likely prove a waste of time/effort [15:26] schestowitz better not even start [15:27] schestowitz-TR people can also self-host video from an SBC at home [15:27] schestowitz-TR I know one person who does that [15:27] schestowitz-TR password-protected too [15:27] *leah has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.8) [15:29] techrights-news "unregistered Community design right." [sic] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/08/ag-e-advises-that-partial-designs-may.html [15:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | AG e advises that partial designs may be protected as unregistered designs - The IPKat [15:30] techrights-news FOSS Patents: #Patent injunction 'reform' bill expected to be signed into law next week by #Germany 's Federal President http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/08/patent-injunction-reform-bill-expected.html #fosspatents | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/02/#latest [15:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Patent injunction 'reform' bill expected to be signed into law next week by Germany's Federal President [15:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [15:31] *CrystalMath (~coderain@s2n7jsrq8274e.irc) has joined #techrights [15:31] techrights-news The Mafia that destroyed the EPO is still being put in charge and is using the #EPO for shameless self-promotion; it is never being held accountable, not even when courts demand remediatory action and staff seeks reparations http://techrights.org/2021/08/02/a-mafia-run-office/ [15:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | It Almost Feels Like Battistelli Still Runs the EPO (by Extension/Proxy) | Techrights [15:31] techrights-news Staff of the #EPO is coming to realise (or reaching acceptance of the fact) that the spirit of #Battistelli not just people he left in charge of the EPO dooms the Office and theres no way out of this mess http://techrights.org/2021/08/02/epo-crimes/ [15:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Vichyite Battistelli Committed Crimes and His Buddy Antnio Snubs Courts That Confirm These Are Crimes | Techrights [15:34] techrights-news Next-generation buzzword/BC. What drugs are those people doing? https://www.bugnion.eu/en/next-generation-ip-2/ [15:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bugnion.eu | Next Generation IP | Bugnion [15:34] *mib_205fpc has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [15:34] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [15:34] techrights-news Will This Court Case End the #Mining Industrys 150-Year Dominance of the West? - Mother Jones https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/08/will-this-court-case-end-the-mining-industrys-150-year-dominance-of-the-west/ #motherjones | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/02/#latest [15:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/08/will-this-court-case-end-the-mining-industrys-150-year-dominance-of-the-west/ ) [15:35] techrights-news Forming yet more #monopolies around #COVID19 instead of tackling the problem as a matter of priority https://synbiobeta.com/genscript-announces-notice-of-allowance-for-u-s-patent-application-for-sars-cov-2-surrogate-virus-neutralization-kit/ [15:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GenScript Announces Notice of Allowance for U.S. Patent Application for SARS-CoV-2 Surrogate Virus Neutralization Kit - SynBioBeta [15:36] techrights-news GNU C Library 2.34 Released With More Functionality Squeezed Into libc http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154055#comment-30438 [15:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The GNU C Library version 2.34 is now available | Tux Machines [15:39] *CrystalMath (~coderain@s2n7jsrq8274e.irc) has joined #techrights [15:39] techrights-news Rant: 30 years ago lots of young girls were persuades by culture/media/peer pressure to get dangerous 'boob jobs'. Nowadays (and today I saw one) those same girls, now in their 50s, get 'butt jobs' (even more dangerous!). WTH is wrong with society??? Teach people to accept reality and more importantly health! [15:42] techrights-news You don't hear much about #canonical in the media anymore because just like #suse it became more of a reseller, i.e. it's pushing other people's brand (usually proprietary s/w giants). If #ubuntu languishes I hope a GOOD GNU/Linux distro will take its place. [15:44] techrights-news Work Is Back Underway On A Task Isolation Interface For The Linux Kernel - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Task-Isolation-Interface-2021 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/02/#latest [15:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Work Is Back Underway On A Task Isolation Interface For The Linux Kernel - Phoronix [15:45] techrights-news #xeyes 1.2.0 https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2021-August/003101.html #linux #graphics [15:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2021-August/003101.html ) [15:47] techrights-news Pervert #billgates chose to chase young girls and skirts instead of business (even if fraudulently disguised as 'charity' to bribe the media and evade tax). Mark Shuttleworth abandoned philanthropy and is now chasing #microsoft for money/kickbacks... [15:48] techrights-news Ubuntu is Swahili for "YouMicrosoft for others". #MarkShuttleworth #canonical #ubuntu http://techrights.org/2021/07/09/canonical-ubuntu-microsoft/ [15:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Canonical Dooms the Ubuntu Brand to Appease Microsoft | Techrights [15:50] techrights-news Using #Checkmk for Monitoring Your #GNU #Linux Server Infrastructure https://linuxhandbook.com/checkmk/ #LinuxHandbook [15:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: linuxhandbook.com; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://linuxhandbook.com/checkmk/ ) [15:59] *swimmer58 (~swimmer@c-98-221-115-113.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #techrights ● Aug 02 [16:18] *swimmer58 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [16:33] *mib_205fpc (~48dee8f9@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [16:33] *mib_205fpc has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [16:42] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [16:44] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154069 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [16:44] techrights-news #Debian Improves Docs To Inform Users Their Systems Might Not Work Without Non-Free Firmware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154070 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Improves Docs To Inform Users Their Systems Might Not Work Without Non-Free Firmware | Tux Machines [16:45] techrights-news #Kernel: Task Isolation Interface and X.Orgs XEyes 1.2 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154071 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Task Isolation Interface and X.Org's XEyes 1.2 Released | Tux Machines [16:45] techrights-news Best Educational Applications for Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154072 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Educational Applications for Linux | Tux Machines [16:49] techrights-news Kubuntu Focus Team Announces High-Performance Focus XE http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154036#comment-30439 [16:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: On KDE Connect, Kalendar, Kubuntu, KDE Itinerary, and More | Tux Machines ● Aug 02 [17:05] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.95 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 56.60 swarm size (avg): 282.73 [17:06] techrights-news Stable Kernels: 5.13.7, 5.10.55, 5.4.137, and 4.19.200 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154073 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.13.7, 5.10.55, 5.4.137, and 4.19.200 | Tux Machines [17:06] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154074 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [17:10] techrights-news Teensy SBC runs Linux or NuttX on SAMA5D http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153997#comment-30440 [17:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Jupiter Nano Tiny Cortex-A5 board runs Linux or NuttX RTOS (Crowdfunding) | Tux Machines [17:20] XRevan86 MinceR: What's the current value? [17:22] schestowitz-TR freenode users? [17:22] schestowitz-TR millions! [17:22] schestowitz-TR on the way! [17:23] schestowitz-TR the signup page in irc.com cannot handle the demand [17:23] schestowitz-TR iRC [17:23] schestowitz-TR long lines of 'i' cultists [17:23] leah Current global users: 13195 [17:23] leah that's freenode right now [17:23] schestowitz-TR waiting to get their hands on a shiny freenode account! [17:23] leah Current global users 46599 <-- that's libera [17:24] schestowitz-TR leah: some people are still logged in without an account [17:24] leah pre-leenode freenode was 90000 users average [17:24] schestowitz-TR like 2 clients here [17:24] schestowitz-TR when they drop the connection they might not get back in anymore [17:24] leah i'm still registered on freenode. just in case things turned out ok over there, i made sure to keep my nick registered [17:24] schestowitz-TR sma here [17:24] leah but yes, it does appear as though there will be no more users by the end of the year [17:24] schestowitz-TR *same [17:25] leah a few thousand at most [17:25] leah i think libera will get up to about 60k users by the end of 2021 [17:25] XRevan86 leah: Ah, thanks. So it's the sixth largest network. [17:25] leah freenode is the 6th largest network? [17:25] XRevan86 leah: yea [17:25] leah that's what happens when you use drugs [17:25] leah you drop the ball, man [17:25] schestowitz-TR it used to be 6 tiems bigger than the others [17:25] schestowitz-TR depending on what you'd measure [17:26] leah well, freenode is not worth discussing now [17:28] XRevan86 leah: Yea, it's irrelevant now. [17:34] techrights-news #Barrier and #Synergy Can Work Together, Connecting Lots of Different Machines [17:34] techrights-news #Barrier and #Synergy Can Work Together, Connecting Lots of Different Machines http://techrights.org/2021/08/02/barrier-and-synergy-setup/ #freesw [17:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Barrier and Synergy Can Work Together, Connecting Lots of Different Machines | Techrights [17:36] MinceR 02 183622 [freenode2] -!- Current global users: 13194 Max: 22832 [17:37] leah it was 13195 [17:37] leah is it 13194 because you just left? [17:38] schestowitz [01:16] > :Current global users 13241 [17:38] schestowitz 16 hours ago [17:38] XRevan86 schestowitz: That's the EFnet number [17:38] schestowitz oh, wait [17:38] XRevan86 Yesterday it was 13.3K for freenode [17:40] techrights-news #freenode is now down to just 13,194 online users, which makes it the 6th biggest #irc network. Months ago it was #1 with almost 6 times as many users as those below it... [17:41] leah unfortunately, irc is weaker now overall [17:41] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@8b5ttf6gb62xs.irc) has joined #techrights [17:41] leah lots of people left irc to other protocols [17:41] schestowitz-TR yes, we talked about this befor [17:41] leah some of them are free, others not [17:41] schestowitz-TR and we know who stands to benefit from that [17:42] leah discord [17:42] schestowitz-TR ewww [17:42] leah discord probably got a lot of projects join it [17:42] leah who did you think stood to benefit? [17:46] techrights-news #Fwupd 1.6.2 Adds a Plugin to Check Lenovo Firmware Settings, Support for New Hardware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154075 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fwupd 1.6.2 Adds a Plugin to Check Lenovo Firmware Settings, Support for New Hardware | Tux Machines [17:47] leah if freenode had been smarter, things would have played out differently [17:48] leah it didn't need to respond, at all, to the announcements of resignation by former staff. in fact, not responding was the correct... response [17:48] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [17:48] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/empty-npm-package-has-over-700-000-downloads-heres-why/ [17:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Empty npm package '-' has over 700,000 downloads here's why [17:48] leah fortunately, lee felt personally offended and responded [17:48] techrights-news #Barrier and #Synergy can be configured to work properly in conjunction, though only provided different port numbers (non-default) are specified http://techrights.org/2021/08/02/barrier-and-synergy-setup/ #gnu #linux [17:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Barrier and Synergy Can Work Together, Connecting Lots of Different Machines | Techrights [17:48] leah and now, as a result, things are much cleaner. it's better that there be 1 large network. having 2 networks neck and neck would be annoying [17:49] schestowitz-TR AdmFubar: NPM= Microsoft/NSA [17:49] schestowitz-TR With literal NSA staff moving to run NPM [17:49] schestowitz-TR recently [17:49] schestowitz-TR all those dodgy repos, shithub inc., will make for a fine shitshow with popcorn [17:49] leah if lee didn't respond, and acted more benignly, i think freenode would probably have lost maybe 20-30% of its users. no more. libera would be about 10-20k users [17:49] leah freenode would probably be maybe 70k users [17:50] leah by now i mean [17:50] schestowitz-TR yeah [17:50] schestowitz-TR I condemned him for it [17:50] schestowitz-TR and told him not to keep proving his critics wrong [17:50] schestowitz-TR but apparently it wasn't just him who did it [17:51] schestowitz-TR phanes/bagira used admin access to 'settle scores' [17:51] schestowitz-TR Lee surrounded himself by the few who were willing, inc. some "rogues" [17:51] schestowitz-TR and when he got rid of them he was left with few who know how to run IRC servers, I think [17:51] schestowitz-TR anyway, huge mess [17:52] leah benignly means: not hijacking channels, not resetting the ircd, not hiring a bunch of fascists to run the network [17:52] schestowitz-TR Ariadne was at one point willing to help [17:52] schestowitz-TR but I think that the onboard fascists put her off [17:52] schestowitz-TR let's hope more networks of IRC will emerge [17:53] schestowitz-TR we don't want few giants anyway [17:53] schestowitz-TR they're hardly needed [17:53] Ariadne stop ritually defaming the staff [17:53] Ariadne or whatever [17:53] leah however, having large networks has its uses [17:53] schestowitz-TR the twitter/facebook/youitube situation shows that if you put together groups too large they cause emoptional angst to one another [17:53] leah everyone knows where to go [17:53] schestowitz-TR we need many smaller networks [17:53] Ariadne irc channels can be described using magnet links [17:53] leah Ariadne: defaming freenode staff? [17:54] Ariadne yes [17:54] Ariadne any criticism of them [17:54] Ariadne they call it [17:54] Ariadne ritual defamation [17:54] leah ok [17:54] Ariadne and link to techrights [17:54] leah Ariadne: by that logic, you are defaming me right now [17:54] leah ritually [17:54] schestowitz-TR I didn't ask for that link :-) [17:54] leah :P [17:55] Ariadne which has an essay about how people spin stories into nonsense [17:55] schestowitz-TR I have a meme of Lee [17:55] schestowitz-TR hang on.. [17:55] leah anyway, once fsf quit, it was a done deal [17:55] leah once fsf left freenode [17:55] Ariadne its on [17:55] Ariadne err its ok [17:56] Ariadne freenode is like 14k users which are probably mostly abandoned clients that will fall off as this SASL requirement is enforced [17:56] leah i don't need any other evidence but this: [17:56] leah i sat in #freenode on freenode for weeks, and saw 1488 everywhere [17:56] Ariadne yeah i started calling it 1488node lol [17:57] leah literal racist, transphobic and other hateful rhetoric being openly stated, constantly [17:57] leah the staff allowed it, and in many cases repeated it [17:57] Ariadne encouraged really [17:57] leah and then lee appeared on l0de's talk show [17:57] Ariadne pizza gate is real look it up [17:57] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, The MetroMile app has helpfully suggested that I should "make the experience better" by allowing it full access to location and the sensors in my cell phone. [17:57] DaemonFC Obviously so that they can "give me a more accurate rate" based on if they think I'm using the phone while driving. [17:58] Ariadne dont install apps [17:58] Ariadne from insurance companies [17:58] Ariadne like come the fuck on [17:58] DaemonFC Without access to those sensors, it shouldn't be much of a problem, right? [17:59] Ariadne theyll gather other data from your phone [17:59] DaemonFC Can an app tell when you're in a phone call without any special permissions? [17:59] Ariadne i mean, probably? ● Aug 02 [18:00] Ariadne maybe not directly but through inference [18:00] DaemonFC The sensor access is kind of a giveaway. [18:00] DaemonFC It can tell if the phone is like, up to your head or moving around and not in your pocket. [18:01] Ariadne anyway my suggestion would be to just not [18:01] Ariadne i dont use those apps [18:01] Ariadne if i want to interact with geico, i use my computer [18:02] DaemonFC Yes, MetroMile has a dashboard on the website where you can file claims and stuff. [18:02] Ariadne but you can store your insurance ID card on your phone [18:02] DaemonFC See the OBI II data and everything else. [18:02] Ariadne yeah fuck that, that involves giving a cop my phone [18:02] DaemonFC I have a printed copy of my insurance card. [18:02] DaemonFC I'm not stupid. I'm not handing the police my phone. [18:02] Ariadne metro mile hooks into your obd2???? [18:03] DaemonFC Yeah, to track your mileage. [18:03] XRevan86 > freenode is like 14k users which are probably mostly abandoned clients that will fall off as this SASL requirement is enforced [18:03] Ariadne uhhhhh [18:03] XRevan86 Ariadne: 13K actually. And the decline is very nice and lean. [18:03] AdmFubar https://hackaday.com/2021/08/02/home-depot-is-selling-power-tools-that-require-activation-in-store/ [18:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Home Depot Is Selling Power Tools That Require Activation In-Store | Hackaday [18:03] DaemonFC My device has to be plugged in by the 8th. [18:03] DaemonFC It's in the PO Box right now the post office says. [18:03] XRevan86 Maybe it's exactly because of that: clients reconnect and fail. [18:03] DaemonFC I'm not going to plug it in until the 7th. [18:04] XRevan86 and because it's idlers, they'll just disappear into the void [18:04] schestowitz-TR I will do a post/meme about this... [18:04] schestowitz-TR should be funny [18:04] Ariadne all of this sounds like a horrible idea [18:04] Ariadne plug spyware into your car [18:04] Ariadne to save 50 bucks a year on insurance [18:05] schestowitz-TR with a poem... [18:05] Ariadne well [18:05] XRevan86 People don't have pride in things that matter. [18:05] schestowitz-TR can someone screenshot for me freenode usercount? [18:05] Ariadne their thing wont even work on my car [18:05] XRevan86 Ariadne: They'll gladly do it. But when a mask is required oh boy [18:05] Ariadne teslas dont have an obd2 port [18:05] DaemonFC to save 50 bucks a year on insurance [18:05] DaemonFC Actually, it saves me $50 a MONTH. [18:06] DaemonFC And that's on a beater car with no Comprehensive and Collision. [18:06] Ariadne wtf [18:06] Ariadne did you run over a kid or something [18:06] DaemonFC No, worse. Bad credit from the bankruptcy. [18:06] Ariadne my insurance is like 45 a month [18:06] Ariadne with full coverage [18:06] DaemonFC And if I don't beat that traffic ticket, I'll have that too. [18:07] DaemonFC Bad credit alone will more than double your premium with some companies and in most states. [18:07] DaemonFC So when your credit goes from 800 and something to 600 and something, get ready for a 80-90% spike in your premium. [18:08] DaemonFC Ariadne, you can wait them out a little bit by insurance hopping. [18:09] DaemonFC A lot of companies will give you a bunch of discounts that only work on your first term to get you as a customer. [18:09] DaemonFC Pay in full for 6 months and then when the term is up, change to another company. [18:09] schestowitz-TR XRevan86 MinceR leah: can any of you make a screenshot of freenode usercount and upload? Or give me the command? [18:09] XRevan86 schestowitz: If freenode is gradually reconnecting everyone to ensure that the new policy is ensured, ye may be in danger %). [18:09] schestowitz-TR I make a funny post about it [18:09] DaemonFC If you can fix up your credit somewhat in a couple of years, at least you can see where things are then. [18:09] XRevan86 schestowitz: I've no means to do it, I rely on https://hinner.com/ircstat/Socip_F.html solely, but it only gives averages, so the count is delayed. [18:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kajetan Hinner, IRC Statistics Freenode [18:10] XRevan86 Right now it shows 13370, but that's because it's averaged out for the day. [18:10] DaemonFC Like, I managed to get my credit back up from 490 to 650 in a year and a half. [18:11] XRevan86 For a normal network that's reasonable, but for freenode it just introduces a 12 hour lag. [18:11] DaemonFC They use poor or average credit to say you're a bad risk when you're not. [18:11] DaemonFC Then they have a reason to steal from you. [18:11] DaemonFC They're a bunch of pirates. [18:13] DaemonFC Insurance companies operate on five principles. 1. Fight every claim. 2. Blanket the airwaves with ads. 3. Charge as much as possible using any excuse. 4. If you pay a claim, find a way to take 300% of what you paid on top of what their premiums were before, or just drop them. 5. Spy on them and then sell their data to your competitors so you make money on the backend too. [18:14] DaemonFC The reason there are so many "worst car insurance companies" when there really only could be one worst insurance company is because no matter where you go, they all operate the same way. [18:14] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: thanks [18:15] DaemonFC The only thing that changes is their particular risk formula is different, so some will be not quite as bad for you as others, but there's no "best" or "worst" company, unilaterally, for anyone. [18:16] DaemonFC For example, Allstate is a really bad company if you have perfect credit, but if you have really lousy credit, they can be cheaper than Progressive or Geico. [18:16] XRevan86 schestowitz: So yea, wait for MinceR and leah. [18:16] XRevan86 or for CrystalMath [18:16] CrystalMath sadly it's sub-EFNet now [18:16] DaemonFC When I had perfect credit, Allstate was coming at me with quotes that were a third higher than Geico, but now that I have bad credit, Geico charges a lot more than Allstate. [18:16] XRevan86 CrystalMath: That's what I said, yes :) [18:17] CrystalMath so people prefer no services at all to mandatory services [18:17] CrystalMath not surprising actually, most of freenode was unregistered [18:17] DaemonFC Allstate probably puts credit as like 5% of their risk model while Geico does 20% or something. [18:17] CrystalMath all the time [18:17] DaemonFC It's all about moving that actuarial risk model, to where the actuary tables that company uses are a better fit for your life situation. [18:18] XRevan86 CrystalMath: It's probably a community thing. [18:18] DaemonFC Most people don't do this and never do much research. They just go "Well, look, there's an ostrich in that commercial!" or "Oh, my parents used this company for 20 years!". [18:18] schestowitz-TR phanes and bagira = same person, right? [18:18] XRevan86 CrystalMath: EFnet existed for decades. [18:19] XRevan86 schestowitz: Yes. [18:19] schestowitz-TR thanks [18:19] CrystalMath XRevan86: EFNet once had 100k [18:19] DaemonFC I think it's the security vs. dancing pigs model applied to something else. [18:19] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Andrew-Lee.gif [18:19] DaemonFC You could have lower insurance premiums or an ostrich in the commercial, and you went with the ostrich. [18:19] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Next target is Rizon with 11K [18:20] CrystalMath there's still thousands of unregistered people on freenode [18:20] CrystalMath it's quite possible [18:20] DaemonFC MetroMile doesn't run ads on expensive platforms too much. They make use of social media ads, ads on the city buses, Youtube. [18:20] CrystalMath DaemonFC: i mean i still see tons of unregistered people talk [18:20] DaemonFC Television is an expensive place to advertise even though there are less people watching it. That's kind of odd. [18:20] CrystalMath they already stated they won't reconnect [18:21] CrystalMath so it's just a matter of when their connection drops [18:21] DaemonFC With Facebook, it's possible to target individuals who are just what you're looking for. [18:21] DaemonFC The city bus goes around everywhere multiple times per day. [18:21] DaemonFC People looking around without much to do seeing all those ads on the ceiling. [18:22] DaemonFC MetroMile's advertising strategy is smart. They minimize expense and get their target audience, so like, mom never heard about them because she watches TV. [18:22] DaemonFC She's not the target. [18:22] DaemonFC Boomers have never been great with money, as a generation. [18:22] DaemonFC They're averse to change, even when that hurts them, and some of that is they're getting older and that's what happens. [18:23] DaemonFC There's a market for that. Use Fox News to scare the bejesus out of them and keep them too frightened to do anything but keep watching. [18:24] DaemonFC Here's a pillow. Buy gold. Having erection problems? Buy this! [18:24] schestowitz draft: http://techrights.org/2021/08/02/freenode-is-irc/ [18:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Freenode is IRC in Collapse | Techrights [18:24] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Looks like dropping below Rizon is a certainty. [18:24] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Now will freenode drop below QuakeNet, that's a toughy. [18:25] schestowitz cubexyz has access instructions [18:25] DaemonFC schestowitz, This is IRC. *egg* This is IRC on Andrew Lee. *Splatters egg with a frying pan* Any questions? [18:25] schestowitz when his connections drops he can come here [18:25] CrystalMath XRevan86: 10471 [18:25] CrystalMath right now [18:25] DaemonFC Freenode Autonomous Zone. Population 1. [18:25] XRevan86 CrystalMath: QuakeNet? [18:25] CrystalMath yes [18:25] CrystalMath i'm there [18:25] DaemonFC Pretty soon it'll just be a server with Lee talking to himself. [18:26] DaemonFC Gone crazy. [18:26] CrystalMath i think freenode has more registered people than EsperNet has users though [18:26] CrystalMath so it won't drop below that [18:26] CrystalMath EsperNet is only ~2,000 [18:26] Ariadne 12:07 PM Bad credit alone will more than double your premium with some companies and in most states. [18:26] schestowitz population 1 is better than jooeson or whatever, with a population of 0 [18:26] Ariadne thats illegal in OK [18:26] DaemonFC thats illegal in OK [18:26] DaemonFC Yes, I'm quite Illannoyed. [18:27] XRevan86 schestowitz: The gif is repetitive. [18:27] DaemonFC So I just get to go with some piece of shit company that's dodgy about paying out their claims. But whatevs. [18:27] XRevan86 schestowitz: Albeit very true :) [18:27] DaemonFC It's liability insurance and it'll be the other person's lawyer that ends up suing MetroMile. [18:27] DaemonFC If and when anything terrible happens. [18:27] XRevan86 schestowitz: But maybe ye could put it all into one .gif [18:28] Ariadne the only thing they can use your credit against you for is the down payment if you buy on installment [18:28] DaemonFC If I was going full coverage, no way in hell. [18:28] Ariadne but since it is only couple hundred bucks i just pay in full [18:28] DaemonFC Ariadne, This is called Game Theory. [18:28] XRevan86 schestowitz: That guy in a striped shirt can be l0de. [18:28] DaemonFC It'll be a difficult time getting them to pay out, but it's the problem of whoever you hit. [18:28] DaemonFC If that ever happens. [18:28] DaemonFC For you, cheap premiums. [18:29] DaemonFC If you need coverage on your car, go to some other company. [18:29] Ariadne i have full coverage :D [18:29] Ariadne deductible is like 3 grand tho [18:29] DaemonFC There's nothing worse than trying to deal with a difficult company when you have to make a claim on your property with your own company. [18:29] DaemonFC Yeah, that's more than the value of my car. [18:29] Ariadne my car is new haha [18:29] DaemonFC Mine was already totaled out and I used the payout to do an engine rebuild. [18:30] DaemonFC It was paid out because of hail damage that you can barely see. [18:30] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Things get mirky down the 10K point, not as well-tracked. [18:30] DaemonFC And it was sitting in mom's yard leaking everything. [18:30] Ariadne hail is kinda scary for me [18:30] Ariadne i have a glass roof [18:30] DaemonFC Ariadne, It would be nuts to do full coverage on a 20 year old car with 276,000 miles on it. [18:30] XRevan86 I won't be able to even say "freenode is the Nth largest network", because then it's just untrackable. [18:31] DaemonFC They'd never pay you what it's actually worth to you. [18:31] DaemonFC Why buy it? [18:31] techrights-news Freenode is IRC... in Collapse http://techrights.org/2021/08/02/freenode-is-irc/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/02/freenode-is-irc/ [18:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Freenode is IRC in Collapse | Techrights [18:31] Ariadne well yeah if i had a rust bucket i wouldnt do full coverage [18:32] techrights-news #UnityX 10 Desktop Environment Makes Great Progress, Now Features New Panel and Sidebar Designs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154076 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UnityX 10 Desktop Environment Makes Great Progress, Now Features New Panel and Sidebar Designs | Tux Machines [18:32] XRevan86 schestowitz: That should probably be the last post on the topic, the horse is dead. [18:32] schestowitz-TR yes, but... [18:32] DaemonFC I'll probably switch to Allstate if MetroMile goes kaput. [18:33] schestowitz-TR never underestimate the capability and capacity for another blunder [18:33] DaemonFC They were the next cheapest. [18:33] schestowitz-TR like "FREENODE IS APP" [18:33] DaemonFC They have a mile-based program or a flat rate that was like $60 a month. [18:33] schestowitz-TR download the app and user your account [18:33] XRevan86 schestowitz: Yea, the "lolz" potential is still there :). [18:33] schestowitz-TR and no more open ports for actual IRC [18:33] DaemonFC Geico and Progressive wanted like $90-ish, and that's if you pay the entire term up front. [18:33] DaemonFC Amica wanted $167 a month and I went BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. [18:34] XRevan86 schestowitz: But for that we'll just have to wait. [18:34] DaemonFC "Dr. Evil, this is 1969. There isn't that much money in the entire world!" [18:34] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: get a l0de of this. root # make me a sandwich, l0de [18:35] schestowitz-TR the sad thing is the brand [18:35] schestowitz-TR as I was thinking about it while walking to/from town. They spent 2 decades building a brand [18:35] schestowitz-TR freenode as a name is mentioned thousands of times in techrights [18:35] schestowitz-TR by name [18:36] schestowitz-TR and in a couple of months the brand became synonymous with something completely different [18:36] schestowitz-TR lilo spinning in his resting place [18:36] XRevan86 https://twitter.com/legit_ioangogo/status/1421583828729085955 [18:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@legit_ioangogo: I have no idea what to do with my freenode t-shirts now, the name on them got taken over by someone who is panderi https://t.co/wlKOKdMtZc [18:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@legit_ioangogo: I have no idea what to do with my freenode t-shirts now, the name on them got taken over by someone who is panderi https://t.co/wlKOKdMtZc [18:38] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Free Dumb Tech Solutions VPN servers have more bandwidth but they piss off a lot of websites. [18:38] DaemonFC brb [18:39] XRevan86 schestowitz: ^ some people even have wares with the ruined branding. [18:39] DaemonFC I love Windows. [18:39] DaemonFC Especially the zombie tasks you can only kill with a reboot. [18:40] XRevan86 DaemonFC: I had tea in my mouth when ye sent this. [18:40] XRevan86 too close to disaster [18:41] DaemonFC Some troll (probably MSFT) was bashing Linux on an article that popped up about how many bugs Windows 11 beta has. [18:42] DaemonFC He said you could hardly get any hardware working at all with Linux (not true). Then proceeded to list a bunch of stuff most people don't use anymore because phones can do all of that. [18:42] techrights-news #gnu #linux turning 38 soon https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2021/250/Kernel-Up-Close see http://techrights.org/2021/04/30/gnu-linux-turning-38/ [18:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-magazine.com | Kernel Talk Linux Magazine [18:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Show Your Love for the GNU Operating System With These Banners | Techrights [18:43] activelow tried sasl-auth with my old credentials: wiped. i mean freenode could have asked with a confirmation email to retain the account, since a valid mail address was registered with my account too. [18:43] XRevan86 activelow: The pre-June account? [18:43] activelow yes, registered 2017 [18:44] DaemonFC Then he went off about how much he loved Office 2007 and didn't want to upgrade. [18:44] XRevan86 activelow: Why even try? [18:44] activelow with valid mail address, got the old password too, a cert fingerprint. [18:44] XRevan86 activelow: They are simply gone. [18:44] DaemonFC And gave a shout out to one of those dodgy product key sites where it's like $10 for Office and $13 for Windows. [18:44] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/08/02/chromebook_vs_windows_11_pcs/ [18:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Chromebooks fighting for mind share at PC makers with higher-margin Windows 11 machines in the lead, says IDC The Register [18:44] DaemonFC And then said "OpenOffice" is "okay". [18:44] XRevan86 activelow: freenode was reset, the old database was just dropped. [18:44] activelow XRevan86: then rasengan must take down the freenode domain name. [18:45] DaemonFC I have my suspicions that those dodgy product key sites _are_ Microsoft, and they let it happen because the alternative is losing people from their products and thus marketshare. [18:45] techrights-news Jon "maddog" Hall should know better about #gnu and not go along with the 1991 revisionist story http://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2021/250/maddog-s-Doghouse http://techrights.org/2021/04/30/gnu-linux-turning-38/ [18:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-magazine.com | Doghouse 30th Anniversary of Linux Linux Magazine [18:45] XRevan86 activelow: That's not really necessary at this point. [18:45] DaemonFC But they make the site look like it's dodgy so most people stay away. [18:45] XRevan86 activelow: One cannot even accidentally connect to it now :) [18:46] activelow last time i tried a moment ago freenode domain did receive my SASL auth request, and rejected the valid credentials [18:46] XRevan86 activelow: He could just transfer the domain to the Libera people and stand back, but that's not going to happen. [18:47] activelow he must, either take it down, or transfer it. [18:47] XRevan86 It's like expecting Oracle to give OpenOffice.org to the LibreOffice folks, not possible. [18:48] activelow different case, i did not register an account with oracle. i did with freenode domain. [18:48] XRevan86 activelow: The corpse of OpenOffice is giving FOSS a bad name to this day. [18:48] XRevan86 it haunts us all [18:48] DaemonFC PIA has probably turned into a honeypot. [18:49] activelow since you mention it: i wished "office suite" type products were not required, and instead i could do my stuff with vim and markdown, TeX and similar [18:49] DaemonFC I doubt they're too interested in blowing their cover to get some copyright infringers, but it's almost certainly the CIA or someone running it at this point. [18:50] XRevan86 activelow: https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/393/IKIFEEL.jpg [18:50] DaemonFC They rerouted the US servers to various foreign ones for a while and now they're back geolocated into the US as FreedomTech Solutions incorporated in the UK. [18:50] DaemonFC So this is probably MI5 or something running it and spying on Americans as part of Five Eyes. [18:52] DaemonFC schestowitz, The FreedomTech Solutions website looks pretty LULZ to me. [18:53] DaemonFC Buzzword Bullshit Bingo [18:53] DaemonFC Impossible to tell what it is they actually do. [18:55] DaemonFC That certainly can't be good. [18:55] schestowitz-TR PIA in the face... [18:55] schestowitz-TR they used to be credible [18:57] DaemonFC The COVID thing is going to get really awful in Illinois very soon. [18:57] DaemonFC They had a 100,000 person concert in Grant Park, no masks. [18:57] DaemonFC Lots of people using counterfeit negative results or vaccine forms and bragging about it. [18:58] schestowitz-TR ha [18:58] schestowitz-TR FL is also bad now [18:58] schestowitz-TR [12:33] #florida is red https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/florida-sets-daily-record-more-21000-covid-19-cases [18:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Florida Sets Daily Record of More Than 21,000 COVID-19 Cases | Voice of America - English [18:58] DaemonFC I decided that Mandy and I will go back to masks whenever we're inside somewhere and skip trips to anywhere we don't need to be for a while. [18:59] DaemonFC I went back to carrying hand sanitizer with me. [18:59] DaemonFC It looked like the whole thing had just died down to a negligible level and due to the vaccine or previous exposure. [18:59] DaemonFC But in a month or so it's going to skyrocket past January. [18:59] DaemonFC If things keep going the way they are. ● Aug 02 [19:00] DaemonFC The government is finished with lockdowns. It didn't work last time and they blew the whole wad on that, while many states didn't do much. [19:00] schestowitz-TR we had high AZ vaccination rates [19:00] schestowitz-TR but... [19:01] schestowitz-TR this summer is worse than last summer [19:01] schestowitz-TR in every way [19:01] schestowitz-TR but they lower precaution levels [19:01] schestowitz-TR I saw some masked people today, many still choose to wear them, which I like [19:01] schestowitz-TR it is surging in Northern Ireland ATM [19:01] schestowitz-TR not sure why there [19:02] DaemonFC bbiab....walking down to the post office to get my spyware. [19:02] DaemonFC Opt in because nobody else will give me a deal on car insurance that's even remotely fair. [19:02] XRevan86 schestowitz: I don't get why people don't try to get themselves Moderna or Pfizer [19:02] XRevan86 over something like AZ that uses the same vector for both doses [19:04] *psydruid went to the electronics store today, messed around with the crApple "mouse" on their desktops and the touchpads on a number of their laptops, but doesn't see how the lack of responsiveness and ergonomy could be considered user-friendly in any way [19:05] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.36 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 90.21 swarm size (avg): 282.67 [19:10] techrights-news Better yet, wipe off #chromeOS then install a "real" #gnu #linux that gives you freedom and #privacy https://www.laptopmag.com/how-to/install-linux-apps-on-your-chromebook [19:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.laptopmag.com | How to install Linux apps on your Chromebook | Laptop Mag [19:14] schestowitz-TR psydruid: designed for looks [19:14] schestowitz-TR and to seem "unique" [19:14] schestowitz-TR just for the sake of "think different." [19:14] schestowitz-TR IBM: think. [19:14] schestowitz-TR Apple: think different brand. [19:14] schestowitz-TR Microsoft: don't think. OEMs forces you to... [19:19] techrights-news United States shot itself in the foot and discredited the whole patent system by letting courts become like companies that cheat to attract "clients" (lawsuits) https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/08/another-transfer-particulars.html author funded by litigation fanatics [19:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Another Transfer from TX to CA: Looking at the Particulars of the Case (But not Too Closely) | Patently-O [19:20] techrights-news Valve fires back in the lawsuit from Wolfire Games | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/valve-fires-back-in-the-lawsuit-from-wolfire-games #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/02/#latest [19:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Valve fires back in the lawsuit from Wolfire Games | GamingOnLinux [19:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [19:20] techrights-news Typing adventure RPG 'Nanotale - Typing Chronicles' out now for Linux | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/typing-adventure-rpg-nanotale-typing-chronicles-out-now-for-linux #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/02/#latest [19:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Typing adventure RPG 'Nanotale - Typing Chronicles' out now for Linux | GamingOnLinux [19:21] techrights-news #AMD + #Valve Working On New Linux CPU Performance Scaling Design - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Valve-New-CPU-Freq #Phoronix [19:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD + Valve Working On New Linux CPU Performance Scaling Design - Phoronix [19:24] techrights-news Total scammers run the #EPO ; have these scammers got the audacity to post this with a straight face? https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2021/20210802.html see http://techrights.org/2020/12/15/the-personal-gain-office/ see http://techrights.org/2020/12/15/the-personal-gain-office/ [19:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Beware misleading mails from scammers [19:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | This Week We Shall See If the EPOs Administrative Council, Led by Josef Kratochvil, is Complicit in a Financial Scam | Techrights [19:25] techrights-news #freenode is now down to just 13,194 online users, which makes it the 6th biggest #IRC network. Months ago it was #1 with almost 6 times as many users as those below it http://techrights.org/2021/08/02/freenode-is-irc/ [19:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Freenode is IRC in Collapse | Techrights [19:25] techrights-news #LinuxMagazine Latest Issue http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154077 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Magazine Latest Issue | Tux Machines [19:26] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154078 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [19:27] psydruid https://nos.nl/artikel/2392209-steeds-meer-providers-zetten-in-op-glasvezel-wat-betekent-dit-voor-de-markt [19:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nos.nl | Steeds meer providers zetten in op glasvezel, wat betekent dit voor de markt? | NOS [19:27] psydruid (more and more providers commit themselves to fibre, what does this mean for the market) [19:27] DaemonFC I'd say giving the MetroMile app permissions to use your sensors is a big mistake for sure. [19:27] DaemonFC The device in the car already has sensors and can tell if you've been in an accident. [19:28] DaemonFC But with access to your phone sensors, they can see if you're making a phone call while the car is in motion. [19:28] DaemonFC I don't think your rate wil lget lower for giving them access to the sensors, so they phrase it "It may be lower, or we can give you a more accurate quote.". [19:29] DaemonFC More accurate means "You're on the phone. Technical Foul. Higher rates!" [19:29] DaemonFC No soup for you! Come back 1 year! [19:31] schestowitz-TR psydruid: so we should push on [19:31] schestowitz-TR any little win counts [19:32] schestowitz-TR oh, wait [19:32] schestowitz-TR psydruid: I read that as libre [19:32] schestowitz-TR not fibre [19:32] schestowitz-TR fibre was a disaster for me: [19:32] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/07/22/canceling-bt/ [19:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive 27 Minutes to Cancel BT Order (Even Though I Was Very Clear It Needs to be Done as Soon as Possible), But Still Not Done on Compensation [19:33] lockeanarchist So the most important GNU projects already broke with the FSF because the RMS thing. Meanwhile the permissive alternatives/rewrites are in full steam [19:33] lockeanarchist It won't end well [19:34] schestowitz it's not because of "RMS thing" [19:34] XRevan86 lockeanarchist: Which? [19:34] schestowitz it's because of IBM et al [19:34] schestowitz they want more control [19:34] lockeanarchist Glibc, GCC and some more [19:34] XRevan86 The FSF CLA thing? [19:34] schestowitz They did the same to Linux a month before buying Red Hat [19:34] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/07/29/ibm-and-the-coup/ [19:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Half the People in This Letter Are IBM Employees | Techrights [19:34] schestowitz they showed Torvalds who the real boss was [19:34] schestowitz and they used their trolls [19:34] schestowitz from Red Hat http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ [19:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights [19:35] lockeanarchist Torvalds almost was canceled and was forced to cave accepting a CoC [19:35] schestowitz you don't get 65-figure salary to play nice [19:35] DaemonFC Mandy gets upset when I make soup, usually. [19:35] schestowitz but to work for vicious companies with military connections [19:35] lockeanarchist Torvalds is just a employee at this point, sadly [19:35] schestowitz so screw those people.. [19:35] DaemonFC One day, he gave MARISOL some of my chicken noodle soup and she said it was quite good and wondered what restaurant we went to. [19:36] schestowitz DaemonFC: OT [19:36] schestowitz #techpol or #boycottnovell-social [19:36] lockeanarchist XRevan86: I'm not against that move in particular, but this is being done to break ties with FSF [19:36] DaemonFC Ah... [19:36] schestowitz lockeanarchist: that predates RMS [19:36] DaemonFC I need some system for retreiving recipes from these sites with all this crap on them. [19:36] schestowitz IBM being IBM [19:36] schestowitz like another Microsoft [19:36] DaemonFC Javascript pop-ups and bullshit. [19:36] schestowitz Microsoft learned a lot from IB [19:37] DaemonFC Have to scroll three pages about someone else's vacation to get to a recipe card. [19:37] schestowitz Microsoft is a bastard child of IBM [19:37] schestowitz and Microsoft got the contract because of the vagina Bill came from [19:37] schestowitz That's why Microsoft even "exists"... [19:37] DaemonFC schestowitz, It would be nice if someone did a Gemini pod with recipes in them. [19:38] DaemonFC It wouldn't take any time to load, really. Just has everything you need right there, no useless scripts and formatting and junk. [19:38] schestowitz that exists [19:38] schestowitz and for restaurants [19:38] lockeanarchist I really tried to understand the anti-RMS people [19:38] lockeanarchist but I can't [19:38] schestowitz stallman.oirg is mostly sensible stuff [19:38] schestowitz and left-leaning [19:38] lockeanarchist RMS is just a weirdo, not a bigoted person [19:38] DaemonFC Facebook has banned linking to Stallman.org' [19:38] schestowitz the people who attacked him are centric/left [19:39] DaemonFC They give you warnings that your account might be banned if you continue. [19:39] schestowitz "Progressives are right now advocating for the release of criminals, even murderers. To then have exactly the opposite attitude towards something that certainly is not committing physical violence against somebody, I dont understand the double standard!" https://stallmansupport.org/nadine-strossen-hannah-wolfman-rebut-accusations-against-stallman.html [19:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallmansupport.org | In Support of Richard Stallman - Hannah Wolfman-Jones and Nadine Strossen Rebut Accusations Against Stallman - Choose Him as Coauthor [19:39] schestowitz DaemonFC: screenshot? [19:39] lockeanarchist The thing is nobody could take RMS place as a real leader at FSF [19:39] schestowitz I find this difficult to believe [19:39] schestowitz iirc, zuck was using emacs or something [19:40] schestowitz maybe vim [19:40] lockeanarchist 2 years without RMS and the FLOSS cause just became worse [19:40] schestowitz lockeanarchist: they just attack communities [19:40] schestowitz they must be happy about freenode's collapse [19:40] schestowitz it was never useful for their "shareholders" anyway [19:40] schestowitz RMS last showed up in a public talk in May [19:40] schestowitz nothing since [19:41] schestowitz nothjing scheduled either [19:41] DaemonFC schestowitz, https://i.imgur.com/gTrvmVL.jpg [19:41] lockeanarchist RMS needs to show himself more [19:41] schestowitz https://stallman.org/talks.html [19:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Talks - Richard Stallman [19:41] lockeanarchist they were successful [19:42] techrights-news I'm told that #facebook now BANS linking to Richard Stallman's Web site and threatens further sanctions for trying to https://i.imgur.com/gTrvmVL.jpg [19:42] lockeanarchist schestowitz: I hope RMS realize that this is a mistake [19:42] schestowitz FB is a top sponsor of Zemlinrosoft Foundation [19:43] schestowitz with several BOUGHT seats in the Board [19:43] schestowitz so FB STAFF gets to BOSS Torvalds [19:43] schestowitz just by bribing Zemlin and his little shills [19:43] *cow_2001 (~un@user/cow-2001/x-5712099) has joined #techrights [19:43] schestowitz Torvalds needs to make a move [19:43] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/06/23/linux-foundation-and-linux-brand/ [19:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Time for Linus Torvalds to Enforce and Protect His Brand From Misuse by His Employer, the So-called Linux Foundation | Techrights [19:45] techrights-news #patentTrolls with #swpats again: " #patent relates to the recovery of information in a mobile communications network." https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/7/30/commworks-solutions-patent-challenged [19:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | CommWorks Solutions patent challenged Unified Patents [19:46] techrights-news Of course the litigation giants will just look the other way and not mention that the EPO's Boards of Appeal are rigged and stacked(guess in whose favour) https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=45e16aa9-f80d-47c1-82bf-8f894c025462 see http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/g-121-epo-catastrophe/ [19:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EPO decision T 96/20: Does this raise the inventive step bar for medical use inventions? - Lexology [19:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | G 1/21 is a Catastrophe for the EPOs Legitimacy | Techrights [19:47] schestowitz DaemonFC: please email rms at gnu about it [19:47] schestowitz he needs to see this [19:47] schestowitz uses attachment, he can and does open them [19:47] psydruid schestowitz, I know, but that article says one of those providers already has 900,000 paying customers on fibre, so it must not be a disaster everywhere. Maybe BT is not doing things quite right, so I hope they'll try to improve for other prospective customers [19:48] lockeanarchist schestowitz, https://i.imgur.com/gTrvmVL.jpg -> More proof that this is not about left and right is about silencing everyone that are against their interests [19:48] techrights-news "Proceedings before the EPO are governed by the principle of uniformity of the language of the proceedings." #EPO is a major lawless fraud but the #litigation #cartel pretends not to see it... http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/08/02/patent-case-oticon-a-s-and-gn-resound-a-s-vs-sivantos-gmbh-epo/ [19:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Patent case: Oticon A/S and GN Resound A/S vs. Sivantos GmbH, EPO - Kluwer Patent Blog [19:52] MinceR 02 190921 < schestowitz-TR> XRevan86 MinceR leah: can any of you make a screenshot of freenode usercount and upload? Or give me the command? [19:52] MinceR the command is /lusers [19:52] techrights-news #Patent #law is becoming ever more deadly (see #COVID19 blunders) and farcical, as it's clear it's anything but beneficial to society and #innovation has nothing whatsoever to do with it (a system gamed by bots) https://www.natlawreview.com/article/ai-can-invent-australia-first-to-recognise-non-human-inventorship [19:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.natlawreview.com | Can AI Be An Inventor Under the AustralianPatents Act? [19:53] MinceR 02 184858 < leah> and now, as a result, things are much cleaner. it's better that there be 1 large network. having 2 networks neck and neck would be annoying [19:53] MinceR i'd rather have 0 large networks [19:53] MinceR large networks suck [19:54] techrights-news How the #propaganda mill of #EPO fraudsters ( #JoffWild and his groupies) responded to the shocking news that two countries now give #patents to bots https://www.iam-media.com/law-policy/australia-court-decision-dabus [19:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Australian court decision to recognisenon-humans as inventors is brave, verging on foolhardy | IAM [19:55] XRevan86 schestowitz, Ariadne: What are your thoughts on maybe making a techrights XMPP MUC server? [19:55] MinceR freenode is abusive; illibera and oftc are run by SJWs who are hostile to free software; ircnet, undernet, efnet run on Not Invented Here; quakenet runs the same crap as undernet [19:55] techrights-news #Games: Nanotale - Typing Chronicles and Valve on GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154079 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:56] XRevan86 Because XMPP is federated, that may make it more comfortable for people to join. [19:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Nanotale - Typing Chronicles and Valve on GNU/Linux | Tux Machines [19:56] Ariadne no [19:56] MinceR until their server goes down, at which point XMPP becomes very uncomfortable [19:56] XRevan86 Ariadne: okay :( [19:56] schestowitz-TR [19:52] the command is /lusers [19:56] schestowitz-TR lol [19:56] XRevan86 MinceR: "large networks suck" [19:57] *schestowitz-TR types /freenode lusers, gets error message :-) [19:57] schestowitz-TR MinceR: I have experience with openfire [19:57] schestowitz-TR but not very advanced [19:57] XRevan86 OpenFire is not a nice one. [19:57] schestowitz-TR java iirc [19:58] schestowitz-TR "you're (open)fired!" [19:58] XRevan86 Prosody has something that matterbridge can use to bridge just like in here. [19:58] schestowitz-TR over the years I needed to 'fix' it a few times [19:58] XRevan86 but no means no [19:58] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: but more maintenance overhead [19:59] schestowitz-TR #techrights at LC is dead activity-wise [19:59] schestowitz-TR just lurkers and parkers, for nearly a week now... ● Aug 02 [20:00] XRevan86 schestowitz: I can give it activity with some bridge adjustments if ye want :) [20:01] schestowitz-TR better now, I saw your smile anyway [20:01] schestowitz-TR *better not [20:01] schestowitz-TR the keyboard is getting softer [20:01] schestowitz-TR with all the hard strokes [20:01] schestowitz-TR but I still have typos with it [20:02] schestowitz-TR I actually look forward to embracing gnunet [20:02] schestowitz-TR but it's sort of beta [20:06] techrights-news #Patents are not rights, Dennis Crouch, so quit promoting this #propaganda . You're a law lecturer, so surely you know this, but your blog is funded by #patent #litigation fanatics and profiteers who make a living from misleading judges, legislators etc. https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/08/property-assignment-patent.html [20:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | "Shall be the Property" is not an Assignment of Patent Rights [20:08] CrystalMath MinceR: i like NIH :) [20:09] CrystalMath schestowitz-TR: LUSERS was also the MIT ITS command for listing users :) [20:09] CrystalMath probably taken from there [20:12] techrights-news Notice how they only ever give a platform and voice to patent litigation fanatics and aggressive law firms, not anybody who represent the public interest in this patent battlezone https://www.med-technews.com/medtech-insights/digital-in-healthcare-insights/innovations-in-digital-healthcare--navigating-the-challenge/ [20:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://www.med-technews.com/medtech-insights/digital-in-healthcare-insights/innovations-in-digital-healthcare--navigating-the-challenge/ ) [20:12] DaemonFC https://abc7chicago.com/10924883 [20:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abc7chicago.com | Evictions expected to spike as pandemic moratorium ends - ABC7 Chicago [20:12] DaemonFC Throw them out! [20:12] DaemonFC They were too lazy to file for a program that would pay 6 months of their rent and they were too busy buying TVs and playstations and trips to Disney and marijuana with "enhanced" unemployment that ends next month. [20:13] DaemonFC They have our economy so out of whack. [20:13] DaemonFC Rent's going up on people who do bother to pay. It's hard to even get an apartment because they're afraid you'll pay one month and then turn into another one of these folks. [20:13] techrights-news #china has some lol #patents ... gaming the system as usual. To our detriment. https://chinapatentstrategy.com/a-simple-selfie-stick-utility-model-patent-continues-crushing-it-against-infringers-in-china/ [20:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chinapatentstrategy.com | 2020 China Top 10 IP Cases: Winners Sun is truly a Winner: A Simple Selfie-Stick Utility Model Patent Crushes Infringers in China - China Patent Strategy [20:14] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: OT [20:14] schestowitz-TR post in the correct channel [20:14] DaemonFC Next month the "enhanced" unemployment ends and everyone's going to play musical chairs for the 12 million open jobs that are available and haven't been filled. [20:14] DaemonFC Just let it happen. [20:14] schestowitz-TR poor ryan shaming poor people [20:14] DaemonFC It's going to be a huge right-sizing that happens all at once. [20:15] schestowitz-TR back to tech now [20:15] DaemonFC And it's squarely the fault of these idiots that they elected who helped put them in a predicament. [20:19] MinceR 02 210802 < CrystalMath> MinceR: i like NIH :) [20:19] MinceR i don't [20:20] MinceR especially when it results in things like having to manually rejoin channels if i connected during a netsplit [20:20] DaemonFC I liked Ariadne's response though about car insurance. [20:20] CrystalMath huh? [20:20] DaemonFC "$90 for PLPD? Did you run over a kid?". [20:20] DaemonFC Nope, good credit goes bad. [20:20] CrystalMath MinceR: for real, if you join a channel during a netsplit, you have to /part and /join again?? [20:21] DaemonFC That's the only difference between paying $45 a month and $90. [20:21] Ariadne well i am paying $45 for full coverage, and you are paying $90 for liability :p [20:21] Ariadne correction: $43.88 [20:21] DaemonFC No, I pay $23 a month plus 3.1 cents per mile. [20:22] Ariadne 3.1 cents a mile?! [20:22] Ariadne geeze [20:22] DaemonFC Thats for 50/100/25 and uninsured motorist bodily injury of 50/100 and uninsured motorist property damage covering $15,000. [20:22] DaemonFC Which is more than what my car is worth, but adds so little to the cost, why not. [20:22] DaemonFC Yeah, a lot of it is the area, you know. [20:22] DaemonFC You live out in the middle of nowhere. I live in Grand Theft Auto Waukegan. [20:23] DaemonFC I have to pay more because of a bunch of derelicts who drive drunk with no insurance. [20:23] DaemonFC ROy would get testy if I went further and named the demographic. [20:23] DaemonFC Ariadne, If I moved back to a rural area of Indiana it would drop at least 25% for that reason alone. [20:23] DaemonFC Just moving out of Chicago saved me a fortune. [20:23] Ariadne i am in the process of moving back to oklahoma (: [20:24] Ariadne in wyoming, i got a new neighbor [20:24] schestowitz-TR home-ha [20:24] Ariadne who has a flag [20:24] Ariadne that says "WE KILL FUCKING FAGGOTS IN WYOMING" [20:24] DaemonFC When I had 826 FICO and full coverage on the Kia with $250 deductibles, I paid $68 a month to Root in Fox Lake, IL. [20:24] Ariadne so, i decided [20:24] Ariadne i should make an exit [20:24] DaemonFC That's down from $87 in Chicago. [20:24] DaemonFC They rate you based on ZIP and what's going on in that area. [20:25] DaemonFC With the carjackings, hit and run felonies, and uninsured drivers, you pay more through no fault of your own. [20:25] CrystalMath Ariadne: some bullcrap flag doesn't make it true [20:25] schestowitz-TR it's a warning [20:25] schestowitz-TR maybe even intentional [20:25] Ariadne what schestowitz-TR said [20:25] schestowitz-TR like a message to the neighbour [20:25] Ariadne he was sending a message [20:25] Ariadne message received! [20:25] schestowitz-TR and if he reports to the police it can escalate [20:25] schestowitz-TR she [20:25] schestowitz-TR that never ends well [20:25] DaemonFC Since carjackings and gun violence have doubled under Lori Lightfoot, the last black mayor, who knows. [20:25] DaemonFC Who knows what they charge now. [20:25] schestowitz-TR the flag is "first amendment" [20:26] schestowitz-TR reporting it starts the war [20:26] CrystalMath schestowitz-TR: i always ignore threads, for better or worse [20:26] CrystalMath *threats [20:26] Ariadne well [20:26] CrystalMath not threads :P [20:26] DaemonFC They have a lot of things that are in their risk model, and some can be controlled by you and many can't. [20:26] schestowitz-TR depends [20:26] Ariadne i got tired of [20:26] Ariadne starlink [20:26] Ariadne :p [20:26] schestowitz-TR from a neighbour? [20:26] schestowitz-TR or online? [20:26] DaemonFC Being married is a minor positive factor in car insurance. [20:26] schestowitz-TR online is one thing [20:26] CrystalMath schestowitz-TR: IRL ones [20:26] DaemonFC On average, your rate goes down 4% if you're married. [20:27] schestowitz-TR I left online a false address, so usually they dox the wrong one [20:27] Ariadne damn [20:27] schestowitz-TR CrystalMath: well, bloody serbia :-) [20:27] DaemonFC Being under 25 years old is a major negative. [20:27] schestowitz-TR you're hardcore [20:27] DaemonFC Being male is a major negative. [20:27] DaemonFC Living in Chicago is a major negative. [20:27] DaemonFC Bad credit....is a major negative. [20:28] DaemonFC Renting instead of owning your home is a mild negative. Never really got that one. Just something they can hit you with I guess. [20:28] DaemonFC Owning a home makes you less fiscally stable. [20:28] schestowitz-TR or flexible [20:28] schestowitz-TR hard to move [20:29] DaemonFC Things happen to the home you must repair. It costs more over time. [20:29] schestowitz-TR hard to change or adapt to circumstances [20:29] Ariadne its ok [20:29] schestowitz-TR the jobs are more volatile now than decades ago, but if people can always work from home, it rewards home ownership [20:29] DaemonFC Basically driving like an old grandma and being married are all you can really "control", and nobody would just get married to save 4% on insurance. [20:30] MinceR 02 212051 < CrystalMath> MinceR: for real, if you join a channel during a netsplit, you have to /part and /join again?? [20:30] MinceR no, i have to try /join later [20:30] DaemonFC You can get out of a Democrat Hell city. [20:30] CrystalMath MinceR: wait what happens when you /join on a netsplit [20:30] MinceR and see if the dumbass ircnet ircd will tell me again that i'm not allowed to do so because of splitmode [20:30] CrystalMath oh [20:30] CrystalMath that [20:30] DaemonFC That's good for lots of reasons, car insurance being maybe #6-7. [20:30] CrystalMath MinceR: well that's good [20:30] CrystalMath to prevent people from joining and being opped in an "empty" channel [20:31] CrystalMath then their ops being carried over [20:31] Ariadne no its not [20:31] CrystalMath and they could then deop everybody [20:31] Ariadne TS fixed that problem in *checks notes* 1995 [20:31] DaemonFC I voted for a Republican mayor this time around in Waukegan. Flipped the office. [20:31] CrystalMath Ariadne: but isn't this also safe? [20:31] Ariadne IRCnet just doesn't adopt TS [20:31] DaemonFC Nobody liked that Sam Cunningham guy in the end. [20:31] DaemonFC He worked with ICE, groped women, hired unqualified cronies and family members for city jobs.... [20:31] Ariadne CrystalMath: that way is "safe" in the way that putting plastic covers over old power plugs makes them safe for toddlers [20:32] DaemonFC I mean, like, it wasn't really a choice, it was a lack of options. And he raised taxes! [20:32] Ariadne despite shielded plugs being mandatory in the US for the past 15 years [20:32] DaemonFC The new mayor promised to do a budget cut. No new taxes. [20:32] DaemonFC I like that. We need smarter government. Not higher taxes. Taxes are already too high. [20:33] DaemonFC Every year under Cunningham, the taxes got higher and the roads got worse. [20:33] DaemonFC Finally when the street department did respond to the embarrassing pictures of all of the pot craters in the industrial park, they came out and replaced part of the road. [20:34] DaemonFC Then the rest of it disintegrated shortly after and we're back to hot patching. [20:34] CrystalMath Ariadne: does EFNet do TS? [20:34] Ariadne yes [20:34] Ariadne TS is what "the big split" was about [20:34] DaemonFC I at least got them to do something by taking pictures of all of that. [20:34] Ariadne literally, using TS or blocking /join [20:35] CrystalMath what were the arguments against TS? [20:35] DaemonFC This was the first election where I've ever split my ballot. I've never voted for a Republican until the Waukegan local election this year. [20:35] DaemonFC I feel like I'm probably going to do it again for Governor of Illinois next year. [20:35] Ariadne CrystalMath: how the fuck should i know [20:35] Ariadne in 1995 i was like [20:36] Ariadne 8 years old [20:36] DaemonFC Maybe Secretary of State too. I don't feel that the license branch is being ran efficiently. [20:36] Ariadne i was like [20:36] Ariadne climbing trees and shit [20:36] Ariadne not shitposting on irc [20:36] DaemonFC I feel that could use some improvements. A clean sweep of underperforming public workers and longer expirations on licenses. [20:37] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154080 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [20:37] DaemonFC Indiana has a totally different system. There is a Secretary of State, but they have nothing to do with the license branch. That's an independent agency. [20:38] MinceR 02 212554 < schestowitz-TR> the flag is "first amendment" [20:39] MinceR i believe the answer is covered by the second amendment. [20:39] DaemonFC Having the license branch under the Secretary of State brings corruption. There's huge incentive to have it hire too many people and make them all state union members. That way they spend their campaign money electing a Democrat and voting for him, and he in turn makes sure there's more useless work for them to do. [20:39] MinceR 02 213040 < CrystalMath> MinceR: well that's good [20:39] MinceR no, that's not good [20:39] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [20:39] MinceR ircd-s designed by sane people use timestamps instead [20:39] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [20:40] MinceR ircnet's problem with that is that they weren't the ones who came up with that [20:40] DaemonFC MinceR, I ran into a "How to remove Edge from Windows 10." article. [20:40] MinceR so it must be bad [20:40] DaemonFC Turns out, you _can_ do it, but it would definitely break the shell. [20:40] CrystalMath MinceR: but think of the awesome reop mode :) [20:40] techrights-news Kernel prepatch 5.14-rc4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154045#comment-30441 [20:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 5.14-rc4 | Tux Machines [20:40] CrystalMath you set a channel flag and get reopped! [20:40] DaemonFC Microsoft is back to hardcoding things in the shell to open only in Edge. [20:40] techrights-news GNU C Library 2.34 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148532#comment-30442 [20:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Glibc 2.34 and Going Beyond GNU Core Utils | Tux Machines [20:41] MinceR CrystalMath: oh yeah, the reop mode which doesn't fucking work [20:41] schestowitz DaemonFC: that's soft-linking [20:41] MinceR so it's kind of like chanfix, which also doesn't fucking work [20:41] MinceR but at least they showed all those people who came up with ChanServ, which does work [20:41] CrystalMath MinceR: not true, i joined an empty channel, set reop mode, parted, joined again and i was an op! [20:42] MinceR lol [20:42] CrystalMath ChanServ ends up requiring accounts [20:42] CrystalMath and passwords [20:42] DaemonFC Edge bypasses Windows Update. [20:42] CrystalMath MinceR: and then you end up with SASL being mandatory [20:43] MinceR no you don't [20:43] MinceR afaik there's only 1 network that's stupid enough to make sasl mandatory [20:43] DaemonFC It checks for updates itself, and they update it every few days sometimes. [20:43] CrystalMath nah there's more than 1 [20:43] CrystalMath and many that are sadly mandatory TLS [20:43] MinceR also, accounts and passwords are a lot easier on the network than botnets flooding each other to keep ownership of channels [20:43] MinceR also a lot easier on our planet [20:44] CrystalMath i keep a channel on efnet [20:44] CrystalMath only lost it twice [20:44] CrystalMath but we did manage to cycle :P [20:44] CrystalMath now it looks like somsone lost a channel that matters to me and that one's a little big to cycle [20:44] CrystalMath oh well [20:44] CrystalMath you know, happens [20:44] CrystalMath life is strange [20:45] MinceR life sucks and then you die [20:47] schestowitz-TR then worms suck you [20:47] techrights-news Links 2/8/2021: XEyes 1.2 and Fwupd 1.6.2 Released http://techrights.org/2021/08/02/fwupd-1-6-2-released/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/02/fwupd-1-6-2-released/ [20:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 2/8/2021: XEyes 1.2 and Fwupd 1.6.2 Released | Techrights [20:48] schestowitz-TR Ariadne: you started irc aged 8? [20:48] Ariadne no [20:48] Ariadne i started using irc at like 11 or 12 [20:48] Ariadne in 99 [20:49] CrystalMath Ariadne: for some reason i always assumed you were ancient [20:54] schestowitz-TR ancient is an interesting choice of word [20:54] MinceR a Great Old One? [20:54] XRevan86 one of the First Ones [20:54] schestowitz-TR I thought I was getting old when I reached 20 [20:54] schestowitz-TR there's a point where people cannot say you're "young" anymore [20:54] schestowitz-TR and no wunderkind either [20:54] schestowitz-TR or "gifted child" [20:55] schestowitz-TR leaving early for the night, am back on work shifts tomorrow...... later ● Aug 02 [21:05] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.63 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 77.35 swarm size (avg): 282.61 [21:13] cybrNaut/fn techrights.org is not listed on netsplit.de.. is that intentional? [21:15] XRevan86 > Your IRC network should have a valid user base. The threshold is currently set to 50 concurrent users. [21:15] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Does it really have to be? It's a specialised server after all. [21:21] cybrNaut/fn i guess it depends on the Techrights vision/goals. It would get some visibility on netsplit, but i guess it's a question of whether that's wanted. I guess it could be a bad thing if it gets popular and then resources have to be diverted from Techrights content to babysitting [21:22] XRevan86 cybrNaut: The server is just a place for techrights' channels (and tuxmachines just because). [21:25] DaemonFC I think I started using IRC in 1998, so I would have been 13 or 14. [21:26] cybrNaut/fn freenode.org's landing page says: "Mark Zuckerberg, your users are not dumbfucks." [21:26] cybrNaut/fn i beg to differ [21:26] XRevan86 schestowitz: It crossed my mind a long time ago but I keep forgetting to bring that up: tuxmachines is that one channel that has more reasons to be on a public network. [21:26] DaemonFC mIRC on Windows 98. The version that I stripped of IE and crap and put the Windows 95b shell into. [21:26] cybrNaut/fn I think Zuckerberg was right about thta [21:26] DaemonFC It was probably the best OS that computer was going to run at that point. [21:26] DaemonFC Fairly stable and did everything I needed it to do. [21:26] DaemonFC I was a big fan of Opera. The original Opera. [21:27] DaemonFC It was 50 times smaller than the other browsers and loaded all the sites I used quickly. [21:28] DaemonFC For email, I liked both the client that came as part of Netscape Communicator 4, but the browser sucked. [21:28] DaemonFC I eventually used Eudora for a long time. I couldn't afford it, but I think I must have either stripped the adware out or found a serial number somewhere. [21:29] kingoffrance yes, old opera was small and fast compared to the competition [21:29] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Why do ye write from freenode though? [21:29] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Do ye know what to do when it collapses? [21:30] DaemonFC Eventually, I switched to the Opera M2 Mail. [21:30] DaemonFC Vivaldi is apparently getting a mail client like that. [21:30] DaemonFC Sweeeeeeet. [21:30] cybrNaut/fn i'm still in limbo here. My freenode acct was deregistered (as everyone's) and I can't be bothered to re-register [21:30] DaemonFC I was so impressed by Opera 3 that I started recommending it to everyone at that point. [21:30] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Oh. I dare you to reconnect >:3 [21:30] cybrNaut/fn so if it goes south, that's fine. I know about irc.techrights.org [21:31] DaemonFC And managed to get it listed on some freeware sites when it became free to use. [21:31] DaemonFC I hyped it up years before it became crap owned by China built on Chromium. [21:31] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Ye are not coming back from the reconnect, just so we're clear. [21:31] DaemonFC Which they didn't even bother to port to Linux for years after that, despite first rate support previously. [21:32] cybrNaut/fn xreven86 not sure what you mean [21:32] cybrNaut/fn i'm on freenode now, but just not registered [21:33] DaemonFC That smarted me. [21:33] DaemonFC I've never promoted non-Free software like that again even if I thought it was very useful. [21:33] DaemonFC Or efficient. [21:33] DaemonFC There's simply no guarantee it will remain so, and nobody can fork it if it goes bad. [21:34] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Yes, that's what I mean. [21:34] XRevan86 cybrNaut: If ye reconnect, ye are not coming back to freenode, it's that simple. [21:35] *cow_2001 has quit (Quit: cow_2001) [21:36] cybrNaut/fn what do you mean "reconnect"? i've reconnected now. I periodically reconnect to freenode. Though it may be less and less now that freenode is no longer in the netsplit.de listings [21:36] DaemonFC I need to bump LibreOffice again. They release frequently. [21:36] DaemonFC Says 7.1.5 has 55 bug fixes, 20% of which are compatibility improvements with Microsoft formats. [21:36] DaemonFC Which, in reality, is what everyone uses, so gotta have those. [21:37] DaemonFC It'll be a cold day in Hell before I ever start renting time in an online office program. [21:38] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Ye did? And ye didn't get "You must use TLS/SSL and authenticate via SASL to connect to freenode please visit https://irc.com/login/sso in order to create an account. SASL Configuration: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl - Webchat: https://webchat.freenode.net/"? [21:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IRC.com Login [21:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | Connecting with SASL - freenode [21:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webchat.freenode.net | Kiwi IRC [21:38] XRevan86 I even tried it now to make sure they didn't back down on this. [21:39] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Are ye sure ye didn't register and then just forget? [21:39] *psydroid_ has quit (connection closed) [21:40] cybrNaut/fn i seem to recall being forced to reconfigure my client for sasl or tls or something like that.. it's not that hard. i believe everyone lost their registration, but that doesn't prevent login. It just means you can't control a channel. I may just continue with an unreg'd acct [21:41] XRevan86 cybrNaut: SASL means having an account. [21:41] cybrNaut/fn i know i'm not registered.. #help folks on freenode just confirmed it. when i do /msg chanserv help, it's clear that i'm not registered because it doesn't show the channel registration options [21:42] DaemonFC https://computerhistory.org/blog/the-eudora-email-client-source-code/ [21:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-computerhistory.org | The Eudora Email Client Source Code - CHM [21:42] cybrNaut/fn oh, right, yeah i don't think my connection to freenode uses SASL.. i'm using sasl for other networks IIRC [21:42] DaemonFC Eudora source code has been mostly BSD licensed. They stripped it of third party components and sanitized "bad words" in the source comments. [21:44] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, That 90s ad for Eudora says you can use it to email Hillary Clinton. :) [21:44] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Well, why are ye here then? [21:45] XRevan86 reconnect should've ejected you for good [21:45] cybrNaut/fn imagine that.. emailing Hillary in the 90s, and then finding your email today on wikileaks :) [21:46] DaemonFC "The last Qualcomm Windows version of Eudora continues, with some glitches, to work well under Windows 10." [21:46] cybrNaut/fn XRevan86: maybe SASL is only needed for registration? I'm not registered, so doesn't it naturally follows that i can connect without SASL? [21:46] DaemonFC Probably works best in Wine. [21:47] XRevan86 cybrNaut: no [21:47] DaemonFC "The Apple Macintosh version, unfortunately, did not survive the transition to the modern Mac processors and operating systems, and can now only run using emulators." [21:47] DaemonFC Probably not at all on the M1 Mac. [21:47] DaemonFC Macs almost never run any program that hasn't been updated for a few years. [21:48] DaemonFC Windows can almost always run programs for at least 10-15 years, sometimes longer, after they stop getting updates. [21:49] DaemonFC "Although Eudora became unsupported as of 2006, some of us are in denial and still use it as our primary email client. I have over 350,000 archived messages in the Windows Eudora format going back to 1997, along with 28,000 embedded images and 33,000 saved attachments. I run it with only minor problems under Windows 10. [21:49] DaemonFC " [21:50] DaemonFC That's kind of why I use IMAP. [21:50] XRevan86 cybrNaut: This doesn't really make sense. [21:51] XRevan86 cybrNaut: I can think of two possible explanations: 1. ye're connecting to a server that hasn't received the policy yet for some reason (do those exist?); 2. the reconnect is somehow tainted by your previous connection (or it's not a real reconnect somehow). [21:53] DaemonFC "Also, the Windows version uses a Qualcomm-modified version of RogueWave Softwares Stingray package of extensions to MFC, the Microsoft Foundation Class library for C++. After more than three years of discussion, we finally secured an agreement with RogueWave, giving us permission to distribute a binary linkable library compiled from the 20-year-old source code, but only for noncommercial use. That library is not currently part of thi [21:53] DaemonFC s release, but we will build and distribute it if there is credible interest in rebuilding a noncommercial Windows version of Eudora. But it will take some effort to make the changes to the RogueWave source code necessary to compile it in a modern development environment, and we could use help in doing that. [21:53] DaemonFC " [21:53] DaemonFC They had to make an even bigger mess than MFC for C++? [21:53] DaemonFC :) [21:56] cybrNaut/fn XRevan86: the login banner suggests that i'm connected to 'libera.freenode.net', a server that i did not know existed, and my client is not configured for. My client is aware of morgan.freenode.net, hubbard.., wright..., verne.., all on ports 6697, 7000, and 7070 [21:56] *tr_guest|15892 (~5de6147d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [21:57] cybrNaut/fn perhaps one of those servers that i'm configured for redirected me to libera.freenode.net [21:57] CrystalMath heh [21:57] CrystalMath that is a real server :) [21:57] cybrNaut/fn but i can see that i'm certainly not using SASL to reach freenode [21:57] XRevan86 1. the subdomain is hilarious; 2. it requires SASL. [21:58] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Can ye tell me how many users there are without using the "/lusers" command? :) [21:59] cybrNaut/fn from the login banner => "-!- Current local users: 1283 Max: 1391" [21:59] *tr_guest|15892 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:59] XRevan86 Not the right one to share, but that counts indeed [21:59] CrystalMath that's just libera.freenode.net ● Aug 02 [22:00] XRevan86 Yea, no one ever cares about that number. [22:00] CrystalMath i'm on arc [22:00] cybrNaut/fn this was also in the banner => "!- There are 2611 users and 19068 invisible on 28 servers" [22:00] XRevan86 CrystalMath: How is that possible though? [22:01] CrystalMath XRevan86: hmm? [22:01] CrystalMath XRevan86: cybrNaut/fn connected god knows how long ago [22:01] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Why cybrNaut is able to reconnect without having a registered user? [22:01] CrystalMath yeah before the change, it was possible [22:02] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Can ye NickServ INFO him just in case? [22:02] DaemonFC https://computerhistory.org/blog/microsoft-word-for-windows-1-1a-source-code/ [22:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-computerhistory.org | Microsoft Word for Windows Version 1.1a Source Code - CHM [22:02] DaemonFC It would be interesting to see that chart go all the way to now. [22:02] cybrNaut/fn i use ZNC which keeps me connected for quite long.. but i think the znc server was rebooted a couple weeks ago [22:02] DaemonFC How many people balked at the stupidity of Office 365 and started using LibreOffice because of that? [22:02] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Wait [22:02] CrystalMath cybrNaut is *not* registered, logged on at Wed Jul 21 9:33:51 PM 2021 before the rule change [22:02] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Of course I mean reconnect the client that is connected to freenode. [22:03] CrystalMath that will knock him out [22:03] XRevan86 Mystery solved. [22:03] CrystalMath and he'll have to use the web thingy [22:03] cybrNaut/fn are you saying that i'm hanging on by a thread here? if my znc server is restarted, i won't get back on unless i setup sasl for freenode? [22:03] CrystalMath correct [22:03] cybrNaut/fn shit [22:04] CrystalMath well technically if you're registered, you can also use bnc.freenode.net :) [22:04] CrystalMath that has SASL [22:04] XRevan86 CrystalMath: "and he'll have to use the web thingy" what thingy? the registration page? [22:04] CrystalMath yes [22:04] CrystalMath at least now he can do /ns register [22:04] DaemonFC "Over the next years Word was continually improved. The first version for Microsoft Windows was released in late 1989 at a single-user price of $495." [22:04] DaemonFC $495......in 1989!!! [22:04] DaemonFC FUCK ME. [22:04] CrystalMath DaemonFC: what a liar steve ballmer was [22:04] CrystalMath he said it's only $99.99 [22:05] XRevan86 cybrNaut: That took took long to sink in :D [22:05] XRevan86 s/took took/took/ [22:05] XRevan86 wait no that made sense the first time [22:05] CrystalMath "took too long" [22:06] CrystalMath just remove the second k [22:06] XRevan86 yes, brainfart resolved [22:06] cybrNaut/fn i wasn't aware of the change.. i just wonder if i should register while i still have access. I recall something i didn't like about the registration hoops.. maybe a captcha or something. [22:06] cybrNaut/fn i'll have to look again [22:07] CrystalMath cybrNaut/fn: no such thing if you use NickServ [22:07] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Do ye have *anything* of value on freenode? [22:07] XRevan86 cybrNaut: That is the real question. And I suspect the answer to be "nay". [22:08] cybrNaut/fn well, i want to keep a foot in each network, because Libera does some stupid shit. They have cloudflared their web gateway, and it's also impossible for me to register on libera (not sure what stopped me.. perhaps a CAPTCHA) [22:08] *cybrNaut/fn doesn't do CAPTCHAs [22:08] XRevan86 cybrNaut: freenode is cloudflared as well. [22:09] CrystalMath yeah but it always was [22:09] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Just like Libera. [22:09] XRevan86 not matter where ye draw the continuity [22:09] cybrNaut/fn what's cloudflared? certainly not the web gateway. I think the main page is, but that's not a big deal.. at least it's not cloudflared in a blocking way [22:09] CrystalMath libera is not the old freenode, the old freenode had christel as the head of staff [22:10] XRevan86 cybrNaut: https://libera.chat/guides/registration no captcha [22:10] CrystalMath when christel left it was a hostile takeover by Fuchs and tomaw [22:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libera.chat | Nickname Registration | Libera Chat [22:10] cybrNaut/fn unlike libera, where their web gateway's CF configuration is blocking Tor (forced captcha) [22:10] CrystalMath you can't change that fact [22:10] CrystalMath that hostile takeover was neutralized but i guess the lack of christel caused things to go different ways regardless [22:10] XRevan86 CrystalMath: That is a perspective based on freenode, Ltd. being the ultimate authority on freenode. [22:11] CrystalMath XRevan86: Christel Dahlskjaer was the ultimate authority over freenode, and she formed it, so yes [22:11] CrystalMath she formed it = Freenode Ltd [22:12] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Ye can probably see how it can be a problem how the freenode staff had no connection whatsoever to its new leader Andrew Lee. [22:12] CrystalMath because christel continued to be the head of staff as always [22:12] CrystalMath until this year [22:12] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Yes, she had two separate positions. [22:12] XRevan86 in two separate entities [22:12] cybrNaut/fn ah, i see now what annoyed me about registering my Freenode nick: i now must supply an E-mail address. It's not as bad as having a captcha though.. perhaps a disposable address will work [22:13] XRevan86 Then the freenode side just went on and elected a new head of staff. [22:13] XRevan86 and Andrew Lee was like "wait, ye can't do that" [22:13] XRevan86 cybrNaut: That's also the same on freenode and Libera. [22:13] CrystalMath XRevan86: because the staffers other than christel were terrible people like Fuchs and tomaw [22:13] XRevan86 cybrNaut: So, do ye have a foot on EFnet? [22:13] CrystalMath if christel were to start a new network, i'd be willing to consider it "freenode classic 2" [22:14] CrystalMath but she'll probably elect terrible people who will just use mob tactics against her again :( [22:14] XRevan86 CrystalMath: https://youtu.be/pWdd6_ZxX8c [22:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - YouTube [22:14] CrystalMath libera is not freenode classic and it's ridiculous to claim that [22:14] cybrNaut/fn i've not used EFnet since the 90s.. but i was just thinking i should have a look at it [22:15] CrystalMath cybrNaut/fn: i'm there [22:15] XRevan86 cybrNaut: It's bigger than freenode, so might be worth a look. [22:15] XRevan86 As are four other networks. [22:15] CrystalMath four other? [22:15] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Libera, IRCnet, OFTC and Undernet are also bigger. [22:16] CrystalMath oh yeah OFTC [22:16] CrystalMath i forgot them [22:16] XRevan86 In that order [22:16] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:18] XRevan86 Libera: 42K, IRCnet: 23.5K, OFTC: 19K, Undernet: 16.5K, EFnet: 13.3K, freenode: 13.1K, QuakeNet: 10K [22:19] XRevan86 cybrNaut: So get a foot in all of those I guess :) [22:20] *cybrNaut/fn considers growing 3 more feet [22:20] XRevan86 cybrNaut: I really don't know what channels ye're even in on freenode. #freenode is alive, so I guess that counts. [22:22] cybrNaut/fn well it's largely dead in both freenode and libera.. some activity but the division certainly slowed things down. [22:23] XRevan86 cybrNaut: The undisclosed channel ye're participating in ye mean? [22:24] cybrNaut/fn FSF decided to migrate to Libera based on foolish reasons, then freenode got emotional about it and kicked FSF ops out of #fsf, thus burning the bridge so there is no chance of FSF reversing their decision [22:25] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Foolish reasons, right. [22:25] CrystalMath XRevan86: poltiical channels on freenode are alive [22:25] cybrNaut/fn so when the embarassment hit -- of people being forced to run non-free software to solve the captcha to attend the FSF Directory meeting via the web gateway, FSF had no recourse that wouldn't also be embarrassing [22:25] CrystalMath light up all the time [22:25] DaemonFC he said it's only $99.99 [22:25] DaemonFC That was for Windows. [22:25] CrystalMath ah [22:26] DaemonFC Then once they got that in on you it was almost $500 for the office program. [22:26] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I can see that working like that. Is that what cybrNaut was on freenode for though? So I'm trying to find out. [22:26] CrystalMath but hey you can put a ferrari onto a spreadsheet [22:27] cybrNaut/fn FSF was very transparent about their move from Freenode to Libera.chat.. those reasons are well documented. They even established criteria prior to the decision. But then they actually went against their criteria [22:27] cybrNaut/fn it was good criteria, but the rationale didn't follow from the criteria [22:27] XRevan86 cybrNaut: webchat is not that important. [22:27] CrystalMath well i suppose freenode would not fit the criteria now [22:28] CrystalMath i still wish they did irc.gnu.org [22:28] cybrNaut/fn no webchat isn't important, but it's still an embarassment that FSF would force a segment of people to execute non-free software [22:28] CrystalMath cybrNaut/fn: also libera.crap has sasl-only ranges too [22:28] cybrNaut/fn software freedom was one of the criteria IIRC [22:28] XRevan86 cybrNaut: That segment of people could use any other webchat there is, including kiwiirc.com [22:28] CrystalMath there are IP ranges that must use SASL so they must register [22:29] cybrNaut/fn XRevan86: no, same problem. kiwiirc.com is CF too [22:30] cybrNaut/fn i looked into the web clients on offer.. they were all CFd and/or tor-blocking [22:30] XRevan86 cybrNaut: okay, let me put it this way: I don't know what channels ye're in, maybe ye're in #anime, if so, maybe freenode works for you. [22:30] CrystalMath #techrights :P [22:30] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:31] XRevan86 CrystalMath: That one hands by a thread there too. [22:31] XRevan86 * hangs [22:31] cybrNaut/fn a lot of freenode channels have become social channels [22:31] XRevan86 CrystalMath: That one ye should go to irc.techrights.org for. [22:31] cybrNaut/fn e.g. #lynx is mostly a discussion on climate chg [22:31] XRevan86 I mean, cybrNaut [22:32] XRevan86 cybrNaut: If that's what ye're in for, then sure. [22:32] CrystalMath support still happens on freenode [22:32] CrystalMath but also on EFNet [22:32] CrystalMath so idk [22:32] CrystalMath i wouldn't say freenode is specifically for FLOSS support [22:32] CrystalMath but it is for free speech [22:32] CrystalMath which is great [22:32] CrystalMath only you sadly must be registered for that [22:32] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [22:33] activelow i am registered for that, and my account was wiped [22:33] cybrNaut/fn a lot of channels are bogarted by assholes, and those assholes followed the crowd to Libera, so it's nice to have a parallel universe where ppl are more relaxed [22:33] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Isn't there free speech on Undernet? [22:33] CrystalMath XRevan86: i think there is, yes [22:33] CrystalMath i should maybe go there sometimes [22:33] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Wouldn't that be a better place to be then? [22:34] CrystalMath i currently have no friends there [22:34] CrystalMath unless some of them are there but i just don't know :P [22:34] XRevan86 cybrNaut: I know a person that shares the same opinion. Well, they did, now they left IRC. [22:34] CrystalMath it was my first network back in 2006 [22:34] XRevan86 Turns out, freenode is empty and has no actual social value. [22:34] CrystalMath XRevan86: 13k isn't empty [22:35] activelow i haven't understood yet why rasengan wiped the entire database, because anti-spam measures did not require to do so, with other options [22:35] CrystalMath heck, i have a channel on a network with 100 [22:35] CrystalMath that is the busiest [22:35] XRevan86 CrystalMath: They were trying to hang out in the technical channels. Ye can see how that's a recipe for disaster. [22:35] CrystalMath the entire network has ~100 [22:36] CrystalMath i mean if you just look at freenode like any other network, it's not that bad if you already have an account [22:36] CrystalMath but there's little reason to start going there [22:36] CrystalMath it's like an exclusive club [22:36] CrystalMath which can be good sometimes [22:36] XRevan86 It doesn't look like cybrNaut is actually in all the new alive channels, apart from #freenode. [22:37] XRevan86 and rather in the old FOSS-y channels that are abandoned for their purpose [22:37] CrystalMath #fsf is repurposed but not off-topic [22:37] CrystalMath #perl has the same purpose as before [22:38] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Sounds a lot like #techrights on Libera which schestowitz keeps bringing up for some reason. [22:39] *aggi (~aggi@ipbcc2a139.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined #techrights [22:40] *aggi has quit (Client Quit) [22:40] DaemonFC Because some shysters like mjg59_ have taken it over. It's not real. [22:41] XRevan86 If it's not real, why even care. [22:41] gustaf there are 3 channels on Freenode with more than 300 users [22:41] DaemonFC Reputational harm. [22:41] cybrNaut/fn it's always good to have other places to go for a topic when an asshat bullies people around [22:41] gustaf yesterady I beliebve there were 5 or 6 [22:42] gustaf #freenode, #networking, #linux [22:42] XRevan86 cybrNaut: I even see a channel called #freerms on Libera. [22:42] MinceR free speech with free zlines [22:42] gustaf #perl has 68 users [22:42] *cybrNaut/fn ditched Reddit entirely because of the rampant unchecked censorship and shadow banning [22:42] XRevan86 surely there are more places to go than the official channel [22:43] XRevan86 One doesn't have to look for a rogue #fsf on a fringe network. [22:43] cybrNaut/fn if you want to talk shit about FSF, then libera#fsf won't pan out too well [22:43] gustaf #perl on Libera has more users than all but one channel on Freenode... sad to see [22:43] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Ah, so it's exactly like #techrights at Libera :D [22:44] CrystalMath 72 [22:44] cybrNaut/fn not sure what you mean.. techrights official channel is techrights#techrights [22:44] CrystalMath oops [22:45] cybrNaut/fn not libera [22:45] XRevan86 cybrNaut: ^ "Because some shysters like mjg59_ have taken it over. It's not real." [22:45] CrystalMath tried to type /72, to see what the heck i have on window 72 [22:45] XRevan86 cybrNaut: A rogue channel where mjg59 can talk shit about techrights. See the parallel? [22:47] gustaf no-one has said anything in #techrights@libera in 4 or 5 days [22:47] psychedeliacrat/fn Your email address is not allowed, choose a different one. [22:47] psychedeliacrat/fn ^ freenode is fussy about email address [22:48] XRevan86 gustaf: And there are only ~50 people here over 360 in #fsf [22:48] XRevan86 Different scale. [22:48] gustaf oh yeah no-one has chatted in #fsf@freenode since Wed... [22:49] XRevan86 gustaf: Oh, that's just sad. [22:49] XRevan86 What was cybrNaut's point again? [22:49] psychedeliacrat/fn oftc has become more unusable. some channels now require registration, and registration requires a captcha [22:50] XRevan86 psychedeliacrat: Captcha is the reason why FSF decided against OFTC. [22:50] psychedeliacrat/fn it's a good reason [22:50] gustaf doens't IRC.com require a captcha now too ? [22:50] *aggi (~aggi@ipbcc2a139.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined #techrights [22:50] gustaf never checked, I regstered on fReenode before SASL became mandatory [22:51] psychedeliacrat/fn too bad FSF didn't think that through w.r.t web gateway on libera [22:51] MinceR too bad the FSF ran right into the arms of its enemies [22:51] XRevan86 gustaf: I don't think they do, but they don't really need to. [22:51] gustaf psychedeliacrat/fn: too bad Freenode staff kicked them out... [22:51] gustaf XRevan86: I've just seen references to "unfree javascript" been thrown around [22:52] gustaf oh yeah there's supposed to be a curl-based workaround [22:52] gustaf well, Bagira did [22:52] gustaf he;s out too [22:52] XRevan86 gustaf: Well, we need a guinea pig to check :) [22:52] CrystalMath rasengan also didn't appreciate the FSF parroting the narrative that he's doing some kind of "hostile takeover" [22:52] CrystalMath which was not nice of the FSF [22:53] XRevan86 gustaf: People don't exactly want to register on freenode, with or without captcha. [22:53] MinceR and he fixed it by making it more hostile? [22:53] CrystalMath because it really wasn't [22:53] gustaf he proved them right, didn't he? ;_ [22:53] gustaf by doing a hostile takeover of #fsf [22:53] CrystalMath gustaf: hostile maybe, takeover no [22:53] CrystalMath :P [22:53] CrystalMath i mean regarding freenode [22:53] CrystalMath the channel was taken, certainly [22:53] gustaf we've been over this before, mature people talk things over, addled manchildren lash out [22:54] psychedeliacrat/fn i'm starting to lose interest in registering on freenode.. disposable email addy rejected [22:54] gustaf anyway new party line is FSF is "big FOSS" [22:54] CrystalMath psychedeliacrat/fn: was it 10minutemail? [22:55] psychedeliacrat/fn no, guerrillamail.com and getnada.com both rejected [22:55] XRevan86 CrystalMath: The problem that Christel caused is that freenode, Ltd. didn't have that much to do with freenode. [22:55] gustaf I used a disposable email to register an alt account when I got on bagira's shitlist [22:56] MinceR XRevan86: well, that problem has been fixed [22:56] gustaf but maybe thev've tightened that up [22:56] psychedeliacrat/fn wtf 10minutemail.com is Cloudflare [22:56] gustaf *everything* is cloudflare now ;) [22:56] MinceR :( [22:56] XRevan86 MinceR: Yea, all conflict was resolved with brute force. [22:57] MinceR XRevan86: i fail to see the brute force [22:57] XRevan86 MinceR: Not literal force, figuratively. [22:57] psychedeliacrat/fn the deCloudflare project had a little known *onion-accessible disposable email service that worked great, while it was up [22:58] psychedeliacrat/fn it wasn't blacklisted anywhere, it seemed [22:59] XRevan86 MinceR: I mean how Andrew Lee approaches people who don't do what he wants. ● Aug 02 [23:00] psychedeliacrat/fn looks like Freenode has exceeded my threshold of tolerance with registration, so I may be off freenode next time my server reboots [23:02] XRevan86 Andrew Lee was like a son of a passed away landlord that barged into the property and threw out everyone inside by the scruff of the neck. [23:04] XRevan86 and the former landlord was an elected representative, and the inhabitants thought that this is how they handle the landlordship. [23:06] XRevan86 It is All Just a Big Misunderstanding [23:06] activelow do not know why the database was wiped: 1) it was not necessary 2) it was not benefitial for anyone and 3) it was not legal to do so either [23:06] XRevan86 activelow: Why wasn't that legal? [23:07] activelow XRevan86: it isn't legal to swap the service and keep the same domain name [23:07] XRevan86 activelow: Why not? [23:07] activelow XRevan86: similar to phishing [23:08] activelow phishing accounts with the freenode domain name (which is NOT floss) for irc.com (which isn't floss either) -> illegal [23:08] XRevan86 activelow: I don't have a counterexample, because I don't know of any other service that made the same idiotic decision, but I'm pretty sure they can do that. [23:09] XRevan86 Freenode, Ltd. owns the domains, it does stuff with them, they have no obligations to the users. [23:09] activelow it doesn't own it legitimately anymore [23:10] activelow and wiping the database posed a risk formerly legitimate accounts were hijacked by imposters [23:10] XRevan86 I'm not sure if leeching off Shells is legal. [23:10] XRevan86 activelow: How do ye define legitimacy? Is that a legal term? [23:11] activelow to keep it brief: what rasengan did was violation of law in various jurisdictions [23:11] XRevan86 activelow: And ToS never made such assurances ever. In fact, accounts could expire. [23:11] activelow my account did NOT expire [23:11] activelow i used it and wasn't notified [23:12] XRevan86 activelow: Just to give an example of an event that impostors could exploit. [23:12] activelow it was registered correctly with email adress, cert fingerprint, didn't spam or violate any ToS either [23:12] XRevan86 activelow: Can ye give an example of a law violated? [23:13] activelow the imposter issue was obvious, for the reason alone project channels were hijacked posing as any official while they weren't anymore [23:13] activelow leave alone nicknames and accounts [23:13] XRevan86 activelow: I get it, that's bollocks. But how is that illegal. [23:14] activelow XRevan86: fraud, gdpr [23:14] activelow i am surprise freenode domain name is pointing to online servers, and not taken down yet [23:14] activelow i mean, even if rasengan owns the domain name, having it pointed to irc.com servers is a severe breach [23:15] XRevan86 activelow: IRC.com is a question, yes. We don't know what legal entity owns IRC.com. [23:15] XRevan86 activelow: But if freenode, Ltd. owns IRC.com, then what? [23:15] activelow XRevan86: answer, rasengan [23:16] XRevan86 activelow: I'm not rasengan. [23:16] activelow ? rasengan himself told he owned freenode domain and irc.com [23:17] XRevan86 activelow: He owns the freenode domains by being the President of freenode, Ltd., the sole owner and everything. [23:17] XRevan86 irc.com wasn't in freenode, Ltd.'s ownership before, it was a rasengan's pet project. [23:18] XRevan86 but now I really don't know, maybe he transferred it [23:18] activelow the moment when an account/nick appears on "freenode"/irc.com which is NOT mine this is the next escalation [23:21] XRevan86 activelow: I'm not a lawyer, so heck if I know. I'd think that there is more substance in that one commercial entity just provides services to another commercial entity for free just because the owners are brothers. Or in how every action of rasengan tanked the value of freenode, Ltd. (except that the ) [23:21] XRevan86 thanks, cat, for sending an unfinished message [23:22] MinceR :3 [23:22] XRevan86 (except that the company was rudimentary, so I'm not sure if it ever had value) [23:22] activelow clarifying upon facts doesn't require a lawyer degree [23:23] XRevan86 activelow: Whether what he did annoyed everyone is not a legal fact. [23:24] activelow of cause it is, and fraud and phishing are illegal [23:24] XRevan86 It's not fraud to break your toys [23:24] activelow international social network for developers isn't any toy [23:24] activelow wiping the database was insane, at least he could have asked for a confirmation email to verify accounts [23:24] XRevan86 activelow: He had full access to the old database, and could exploit it in any way he wanted. Including integrating with IRC.com's SSO. [23:25] XRevan86 Instead he dropped it and did it with a new database. [23:25] XRevan86 That's not fraud, that's just getting freenode from 60K to millions^W 13K [23:25] activelow with the same consequence: freenode domain is illegally PHISHING for irc.com [23:26] XRevan86 activelow: Ye literally don't know who owns that domain. [23:26] activelow i mean, maybe anyone would want to document this, the timeline of events: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration [23:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | Nickname Registration - freenode [23:26] activelow this is how nicknames are supposed to be registered on *freenode* - good luck with that [23:26] XRevan86 although [23:27] XRevan86 freenode, Ltd. uses Gandi for DNS, we know that, and that's also transparently displayed in "whois freenode.net" [23:28] XRevan86 The God given title bearer uses 101domain, and that's still the registrar of irc.com [23:29] XRevan86 So it's safe to say that the owner of irc.com is Andrew Lee himself. [23:30] activelow question the evidence now? i mean try to register an account on "freenode" according to the official documentation available, and next try "freenode" web chat [23:30] XRevan86 activelow: I mean the evidence that IRC.com is not the same thing as freenode. [23:31] *XRevan86 looks down the footer: "IRC.com, LLC" [23:32] activelow what rasengan MUST do is disabling freenode domain, freenode domain must NOT point to irc.com service, otherwise it is fraud, phishing, severe breach of GDPR [23:33] XRevan86 activelow: Here's a question: so IRC.com, LLC was a thing. So when freenode and IRC.com "merged", did that mean that freenode, Ltd. and IRC.com, LLC literally merged? [23:34] activelow irelevant, i did NOT register with irc.com, and freenode was not merged either https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration [23:34] activelow nonetheless rasengang is phishing accounts with freenode domain name [23:35] XRevan86 activelow: How can he phish himself? [23:36] activelow he is phishing user/developer/project accounts [23:36] activelow XRevan86: i could do so with his own if he pleases, he MUST not with mine or any other [23:36] XRevan86 activelow: If what freenode, Ltd. did to freenode was legal, then he has every right. [23:37] activelow XRevan86: he could do so with his own if he pleases, he MUST not with mine or any other [23:37] XRevan86 but we don't even know what was in that contract that Christel signed [23:37] activelow a contract does not terminate law, phising and fraud are illegal [23:38] XRevan86 activelow: He had the old database, he doesn't need anything else to access it. [23:38] activelow his possession of the database probably was illegal already [23:39] activelow wiping it certainly was, and now phishing accounts with freenode domain for irc.com certainly is, illegal [23:40] XRevan86 activelow: That may be the case, it's hard to tell. [23:40] activelow at least it is evident without doubt [23:40] XRevan86 I mean the "his possession of the database probably was illegal already" thing. [23:40] activelow what isn't entirely clear, and this raised suspicion about libera: the involvement of other staff [23:41] activelow XRevan86: do you think CEO of any ISP or social media may simply delete and transfer databases as he pleases? [23:41] activelow imagine if your ISP decided to delete your account and terminate your phone number? without asking [23:41] XRevan86 activelow: Depends on the contract? [23:41] sears_hardware i pay my isp :) [23:42] XRevan86 activelow: What does this have to do with Libera? [23:42] activelow i do not believe their staff were not involved nor had benefit somehow [23:43] XRevan86 They certainly didn't like that they had to give the database to a third party, and that was stated. [23:43] activelow they were not allowed to do so to begin with [23:44] XRevan86 activelow: There's something about that contract that Christel had, that the public is not allowed to know. [23:45] activelow in the end libera had lost almost 50% of their users [23:46] XRevan86 activelow: Could've been 100% [23:48] XRevan86 activelow: There isn't a scenario where IRC doesn't lose users. [23:49] *aggi has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:50] XRevan86 1. they give in, freenode still loses users because Andrew is Andrew; 2. they ignore him, the domain is redirected, freenode is reset, loses users (and then Andrew tries to sue tomaw, et al.). [23:52] XRevan86 3. they leave to a new domain with the database (either keeping it or starting fresh), freenode loses users, Andrew tries to sue tomaw, et al. [23:52] activelow when tomaw tried to lock out Andrew since then i do not see any legal basis for tomaw being sued [23:53] XRevan86 activelow: For trying to seize assets of freenode, Ltd. [23:53] activelow and the real shitshow is what Andrew did [23:53] XRevan86 activelow: Whether freenode is an asset of freenode, Ltd. is a big question mark. But we don't know what is in the contract again. [23:54] activelow freenode does not exist anymore [23:54] activelow the domain is only used for phishing [23:54] XRevan86 activelow: Basically, no matter what Libera people could've done, Andrew would've wrecked the place regardless. [23:54] activelow DEAD: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration [23:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | Nickname Registration - freenode [23:54] XRevan86 There was no way out of this that is radically better than what we have right now. [23:55] XRevan86 from the freenode staff point of view. Andrew had more options not the wreck the place of course. [23:55] sears_hardware my problem is the crown prince disappearing [23:55] sears_hardware after you wreck the place you are supposed to rebuild it with your vision [23:56] sears_hardware but instead it's just left derelict [23:56] XRevan86 Eh, I don't know what is keeping cybrNaut on freenode. [23:56] MinceR what if this is his vision? :> [23:57] sears_hardware we know his stated vision from the news posts on freenode.net [23:57] sears_hardware but he just kind of makes the post then disappears for 2 weeks and makes a new one [23:57] XRevan86 There are networks that do a better job without epic speeches. [23:57] sears_hardware someone attempting to defend the crown prince would find very little material to work with [23:58] XRevan86 They don't have a HIH of Joseon with a perpetual friendship with the President of the United States, sure. [23:59] XRevan86 but apart from that freenode is redundant at best.