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| DaemonFC[m] | I liked FreeDOS. | Jan 03 00:08 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I used it as a way to run a Free Software OS on numerous machines that were way too old for any other system. | Jan 03 00:09 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Just how much old? | Jan 03 00:09 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: How old is the newest? | Jan 03 00:10 |
| psydroid | I even ran Zipslack on a 486 and Splack on a SparcStation 10 | Jan 03 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The oldest was a Canon Innova laptop with a 386 SX. 16 Mhz | Jan 03 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Laptop | Jan 03 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Err...opps | Jan 03 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I put it on a Packard Bell PB485 with a 25 Mhz 486 SX. | Jan 03 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was a desktop. | Jan 03 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My dad was the biggest skinflint ever. | Jan 03 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When he bought a PC of course it was mostly obsolete when he bought it. | Jan 03 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many computers from 1992 could actually run Windows 95 okay. | Jan 03 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But this one never did. Instead, when I got it I put FreeDOS on it. | Jan 03 00:17 |
| danielp3344 | I wonder if I could build a simple RISC-V core out of discrete logic | Jan 03 00:23 |
| danielp3344 | enough to run linux or a BSD | Jan 03 00:23 |
| *danielp3344 reads RISC-V ISA | Jan 03 00:23 | |
| *psydroid will continue reading Patterson and Hennessy tomorrow | Jan 03 00:25 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.onmsft.com/news/google-has-apparently-blocked-its-stadia-cloud-gaming-service-on-the-chromium-based-microsoft-edge | Jan 03 00:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google has apparently blocked its Stadia cloud gaming service on the Chromium-based Microsoft Edge » OnMSFT.com | Jan 03 00:26 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft changed the Edge user agent to identify as "Edg". | Jan 03 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that there's a way to tell which Edge it is. | Jan 03 00:26 |
| MinceR | stadia isn't dead yet? | Jan 03 00:30 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: was stadia ever alive? | Jan 03 00:31 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 03 00:31 |
| *psydroid sticks to free software games and emulators | Jan 03 00:33 | |
| danielp3344 | ^ | Jan 03 00:33 |
| danielp3344 | psydroid: what kind of games do you play? | Jan 03 00:33 |
| psydroid | Daniel Peterson, I don't play very often, but these holidays I've played SuperTuxKart, Super Mario, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter and other games | Jan 03 00:35 |
| matlock | Stadia will be cancelled by the end of the year. I wonder how long Google is going to stay in the public cloud business too. | Jan 03 00:35 |
| psydroid | I played Starcraft a long time ago and mainly older games | Jan 03 00:35 |
| *danielp3344 is still trying to beat pixel dungeon | Jan 03 00:36 | |
| *MinceR beat Brutal Hexen RPG recently | Jan 03 00:36 | |
| danielp3344 | shattered pixel dungeon* | Jan 03 00:36 |
| psydroid | I will have to look into that | Jan 03 00:36 |
| danielp3344 | psydroid: it's fun but very hard | Jan 03 00:37 |
| psydroid | I want to see if I can get some of the classic Id games working on ARM and PPC, those and the emulators themselves are the next frontier for me because everything else already (almost) works | Jan 03 00:38 |
| danielp3344 | I've played all the ID games except DOOM 3 on arm | Jan 03 00:39 |
| psydroid | I guess that's where Computer Organization and Design (RISC-V, ARM and MIPS versions) come into play, as I want to learn the first 2 and refresh my knowledge of the latter | Jan 03 00:40 |
| danielp3344 | they run pretty well | Jan 03 00:40 |
| psydroid | I was struggling to get much software running well until a few months ago | Jan 03 00:40 |
| psydroid | so I never really went that far | Jan 03 00:41 |
| MinceR | Xonotic is still awesome :) | Jan 03 00:41 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: I had a hard time getting into it | Jan 03 00:41 |
| psydroid | but now I can just run the upstream kernel, which makes a big difference | Jan 03 00:42 |
| MinceR | yeah, it isn't easy to get competitive in an AFPS | Jan 03 00:42 |
| MinceR | especially one as fast as Xonotic | Jan 03 00:42 |
| psydroid | Xonotic is definitely on my list too, but time :) | Jan 03 00:42 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: I used to be very into red eclipse | Jan 03 00:43 |
| danielp3344 | which is pretty fast | Jan 03 00:43 |
| psydroid | mainline non-WSL kernel, I should probably say | Jan 03 00:43 |
| danielp3344 | arguably faster IMO | Jan 03 00:43 |
| danielp3344 | Maybe I should try xonotic again | Jan 03 00:43 |
| *psydroid heads off before the previously heated debate becomes heated again | Jan 03 00:44 | |
| MinceR | reheated debate | Jan 03 00:45 |
| MinceR | i should try Red Eclipse someday | Jan 03 00:45 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: very fast | Jan 03 00:48 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR I got stuck behind a Land Rover with a blown head gasket earlier. That was fun. | Jan 03 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A cloud of blue smoke and water pouring out the tailpipe. | Jan 03 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It wasn't even really old. The Germans just make horrible cars. | Jan 03 01:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 03 01:39 |
| MinceR | land rover is british, though | Jan 03 01:39 |
| MinceR | the british make horrible cars as well | Jan 03 01:39 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's Mercedes, right? | Jan 03 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | German. | Jan 03 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My 2003 Impalamwith 265,000 miles has a perfectly good head gasket. | Jan 03 02:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't see how a late model Land Rover has one that's completely blown. | Jan 03 02:02 |
| cubexyz | what's a good car? what's a good toaster? what's a good computer? no one knows these days | Jan 03 02:08 |
| cubexyz | actually the old sunbeam toasters could last over 50 years | Jan 03 02:19 |
| cubexyz | same old story... old stuff lasts longer than new stuff | Jan 03 02:19 |
| MinceR | land rover is owned by jaguar land rover, which is owned by tata motors | Jan 03 02:27 |
| MinceR | afaik japanese cars tend to be good | Jan 03 02:28 |
| cubexyz | yeah I think Toyota uses AGL (Automotice Grade Linux) | Jan 03 02:41 |
| cubexyz | Automotive | Jan 03 02:42 |
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| danielp3344 | asia>america>trained monkeys>europe | Jan 03 03:03 |
| danielp3344 | for cars anyway | Jan 03 03:03 |
| schestowitz | monkeys? | Jan 03 03:04 |
| danielp3344 | schestowitz: I think it's safe to say anything is better than european cars | Jan 03 03:04 |
| schestowitz | asia as in Korea/Japan? | Jan 03 03:05 |
| schestowitz | I never tried a Chinese car | Jan 03 03:05 |
| schestowitz | they're probably mostly used just in China | Jan 03 03:05 |
| danielp3344 | <schestowitz "I never tried a Chinese car"> nor have I | Jan 03 03:05 |
| danielp3344 | <schestowitz "asia as in Korea/Japan?"> so yes | Jan 03 03:05 |
| schestowitz | my first car was korean | Jan 03 03:06 |
| danielp3344 | All my cars have been american | Jan 03 03:07 |
| MinceR | all my cars have been japanese | Jan 03 03:09 |
| danielp3344 | cool | Jan 03 03:09 |
| schestowitz | danielp3344: my condolences | Jan 03 03:09 |
| danielp3344 | schestowitz: lol | Jan 03 03:09 |
| danielp3344 | they're also all over 30 years old, so don't worry too much | Jan 03 03:09 |
| danielp3344 | I very briefly owned a 2001 ford excursion but it was quickly sold | Jan 03 03:10 |
| danielp3344 | it had an exploded automatic trans | Jan 03 03:11 |
| MinceR | ford explosion? | Jan 03 03:11 |
| danielp3344 | yeah it's a common problem | Jan 03 03:12 |
| danielp3344 | now I drive a 1987 F150 with a T18 4 speed | Jan 03 03:12 |
| danielp3344 | It has mostly wiring problems | Jan 03 03:14 |
| danielp3344 | today I fixed the tail lights which were out when I bought it | Jan 03 03:14 |
| danielp3344 | one of the terminals had fallen out of the connector on the switch | Jan 03 03:14 |
| danielp3344 | the same thing happened to the fuel pump relay a few days ago | Jan 03 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I might use Euro oil in my Impala. | Jan 03 03:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just for the hell of it. | Jan 03 03:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm certain it won't blow it up. It exceeds API SN, so it should work okay. | Jan 03 03:19 |
| danielp3344 | yeah but why | Jan 03 03:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That Mobil has dislodged an alarming amount of engine sludge. | Jan 03 03:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I might drain it out and change it soon. It's never had synthetic oil before. | Jan 03 03:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If I didn't know better I'd be tempted to run an engine flush on it. | Jan 03 03:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's a can of worms I don't want to open. | Jan 03 03:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My guess is that synthetic oil should be fine indefinitely, but if you just flush it then there will be so much gunk it gets loose that it will plug up the oil pump or expose leaks. | Jan 03 03:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Neither of which could be good. | Jan 03 03:22 |
| danielp3344 | well as long as it doesn't stay in the system you want gunk dissolved right? | Jan 03 03:22 |
| danielp3344 | just change the oil again if it looks really bad | Jan 03 03:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Jan 03 03:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I figure I'll do it this month. That was really.....I mean it's a new oil cap from that recall service. | Jan 03 03:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And there's gunk on that. | Jan 03 03:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The mechanic suggested a flush. | Jan 03 03:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Told him I've seen it go way wrong on an engine with high mileage. | Jan 03 03:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Shit went sideways in a big waybon my exes minivan when he had the engine flushed at 300,000 miles. | Jan 03 03:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some guy at Jiffy Lube sold it to him for $100. | Jan 03 03:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then the engine was leaking a quart a month. | Jan 03 03:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Either leaks or blowby. | Jan 03 03:25 |
| danielp3344 | a quart a month sounds a little high but not terrible | Jan 03 03:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It wasn't losing any before the flush. | Jan 03 03:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Leave it alone. It's good that it's running at all at 300,000 miles, and a Chrysler no less. | Jan 03 03:27 |
| danielp3344 | it | Jan 03 03:28 |
| danielp3344 | it's not really a problem that it leaks oil as long as it doesn't run out* | Jan 03 03:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Leaking and burning oil isn't good. | Jan 03 03:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had the leaks on the Impala fixed. | Jan 03 03:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was leaking transmission fluid too. | Jan 03 03:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was starting to turn brown but not terrible yet. | Jan 03 03:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had the axle seals replaced and then a transmission service. | Jan 03 03:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I figure one drain and fill ought to do it. | Jan 03 03:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They got about 3/4ths of the fluid changed and new filter and gasket. | Jan 03 03:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The transmission had started to slip a little. | Jan 03 03:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was just a bit low on fluid. | Jan 03 03:31 |
| danielp3344 | happens | Jan 03 03:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fixing the leaks and servicing it (overdue) wasn't all that expensive. | Jan 03 03:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A bit over $300 total. | Jan 03 03:32 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: grep-3.4 released [stable] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132420 [https://pleroma.site/objects/59eb24c7-1729-40f6-87c2-b2ce6b7c54e2] | Jan 03 03:33 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | This car was leaking just about everything, she left the original fuel filter on there, and I think the spark plugs got replaced in 2007 by her ex husband when he was bored. | Jan 03 03:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was a real mess. | Jan 03 03:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It took about three entire shifts worth of mechanic's time. | Jan 03 03:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Chevy dealer replaced some engine parts for free that could have failed catastrophically and set the entire car on fire and mom just got lucky. | Jan 03 03:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Book value is just stupid because they set it low for private sales and trade ins to depress demand for used cars and let the dealer rip you off in yet another way. | Jan 03 03:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then the dealer sale prices are through the roof. Also, so they can rip you off. | Jan 03 03:43 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Nazi rhetoric creeping into Debian http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132421 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4cfcc027-3c5b-4411-b071-2b01991dcb0f] | Jan 03 03:44 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The reason you can buy a perfectly good Crown Victoria or something for $2,000 is because these assholes undervalue it so people will crush it if anything goes wrong and trap themselves in an upside down car loan. | Jan 03 03:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because that's better. | Jan 03 03:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You take a chance on an old car. You're gambling. You're gambling because it could be perfectly maintained or the last owner could be a total slob that didn't even change the oil. | Jan 03 03:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it's in horrible shape, there's some signs. | Jan 03 03:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not happy about new cars having no transmission dipstick. | Jan 03 03:56 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora 32 Planning To Make Use Of systemd's sysusers.d For Declaring New Users http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132422 [https://pleroma.site/objects/02c917ee-7fb0-421f-ae9c-703f0cfc3914] | Jan 03 04:02 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ugh | Jan 03 04:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The infection spreads to even more stuff that was working fine. | Jan 03 04:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This change proposal is being led by Red Hat's Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek of their systemd team. | Jan 03 04:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Did a cat walk on the keyboard there for a minute? | Jan 03 04:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR A pharmacist mispronounced my husband's name the other day. | Jan 03 04:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Alcatraz" | Jan 03 04:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Marriage does feel like that sometimes.". | Jan 03 04:08 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security and FUD Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132423 [https://pleroma.site/objects/751d5c13-8491-4c4f-8dc6-1c12261dc4f2] | Jan 03 04:21 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Videos With Predictions for 2020 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132424 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4260d709-65ba-4ab3-b6a2-62862ebe4c0f] | Jan 03 04:25 | |
| schestowitz | Richard Stallman wrote on 02/01/2020 21:56: | Jan 03 04:51 |
| schestowitz | > > A common criticism of the FSF in recent years is, not enough was done to | Jan 03 04:51 |
| schestowitz | > > combat these new kinds of threats. Would you consider rejoining the | Jan 03 04:51 |
| schestowitz | > > FSF's Board is that becomes possible and feasible? | Jan 03 04:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 04:51 |
| schestowitz | > It would be tactless for me to discuss such a possibility under the current | Jan 03 04:51 |
| schestowitz | > circumstances. My concern now is for the FSF and GNU Project to keep | Jan 03 04:51 |
| schestowitz | > working together as in the past. | Jan 03 04:51 |
| schestowitz | That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying that point. | Jan 03 04:51 |
| schestowitz | Richard Stallman wrote on 02/01/2020 21:59: | Jan 03 04:59 |
| schestowitz | > I started reading | Jan 03 04:59 |
| schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/2019/12/29/freedoms-and-rights/. The first part | Jan 03 04:59 |
| schestowitz | > related clearly to free software and I could understand it. I agreed | Jan 03 04:59 |
| schestowitz | > for the most part. | Jan 03 04:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 04:59 |
| schestowitz | > But then it went off onto other topics and I had trouble | Jan 03 04:59 |
| schestowitz | > understanding what issues it was addressing. | Jan 03 04:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guest Article: On Freedoms and Rights, Regarding Some Recent Events Around Free Software | Techrights | Jan 03 04:59 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 04:59 |
| schestowitz | > Perhaps if I read it very slowly, thinking hard about each sentence | Jan 03 04:59 |
| schestowitz | > and trying to remember ALL the points, I might put 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 | Jan 03 05:00 |
| schestowitz | > together and understand what it was about. But I am too overloaded | Jan 03 05:00 |
| schestowitz | > to go about it that way. | Jan 03 05:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 05:00 |
| schestowitz | > Can you tell me, briefly, what he is arguing about? What does the | Jan 03 05:00 |
| schestowitz | > author mean by distinguishing "freedoms" from "rights"? | Jan 03 05:00 |
| schestowitz | The gist is, in LaTam people associate freedom with what the US government tells them, i.e. right-wing coups. Also, rights are something that's protected by law. So the Argentinian author argues rights are worth defending, for they defend the powerless (whereas they view freedom as reckless capitalism for the rich). The argument was partly about semantics. | Jan 03 05:00 |
| schestowitz | I made a meme of that (JPG): http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/bush-freedom.jpg | Jan 03 05:00 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS: GNOME Newcomers' Contributions, Pulse Liberated for Android and Tizen, Coreboot Expanding http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132427 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1b24f278-cf1f-400f-9e5e-b29ca7c26bd6] | Jan 03 05:18 | |
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| scientes | XRevan86, Vladimir Putin announces 'Russians will go to Heaven as martyrs' | Jan 03 06:27 |
| scientes | hahahahahahaha | Jan 03 06:27 |
| scientes | oh yeah, i've seen that one | Jan 03 06:27 |
| scientes | "they won't have time to repent" | Jan 03 06:27 |
| scientes | he like to do the "but they do X" thing too | Jan 03 06:30 |
| scientes | talking about history of slavery in the US | Jan 03 06:30 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | False equivalence | Jan 03 07:31 |
| schestowitz | RMS: | Jan 03 07:44 |
| schestowitz | >> > A common criticism of the FSF in recent years is, not enough was done to | Jan 03 07:44 |
| schestowitz | >> > combat these new kinds of threats. Would you consider rejoining the | Jan 03 07:44 |
| schestowitz | >> > FSF's Board is that becomes possible and feasible? | Jan 03 07:44 |
| schestowitz | >> | Jan 03 07:44 |
| schestowitz | >> It would be tactless for me to discuss such a possibility under the current | Jan 03 07:44 |
| schestowitz | >> circumstances. My concern now is for the FSF and GNU Project to keep | Jan 03 07:45 |
| schestowitz | >> working together as in the past. | Jan 03 07:45 |
| schestowitz | > Indeed. They need to first and foremost fix things up with RMS and, | Jan 03 07:45 |
| schestowitz | > IMHO, apologize. Even if he would no longer be president, he does have | Jan 03 07:45 |
| schestowitz | > an important role to play in the institution. Then, closely related to | Jan 03 07:45 |
| schestowitz | > that, is the collaboration between GNU and FSF. | Jan 03 07:45 |
| Hail_Spacecake | http://techrights.org/2019/12/29/freedoms-and-rights/ <- there's an interesting bit in this article | Jan 03 07:51 |
| Hail_Spacecake | about the argentinian national id number | Jan 03 07:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guest Article: On Freedoms and Rights, Regarding Some Recent Events Around Free Software | Techrights | Jan 03 07:51 | |
| Hail_Spacecake | and rms apparently saying he thinks that's bad | Jan 03 07:51 |
| Hail_Spacecake | “I know for a fact it’s not necessary to have a single unique ID, because I come from a country that doesn’t have such thing: we use many IDs”. He explained to us that the DNI was a tool that gave too much power to the state over us, which is a wrong thing in itself. | Jan 03 07:51 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I'm actually persuaded that it would be better for the US to switch to a national ID system | Jan 03 07:52 |
| Hail_Spacecake | away from the ad-hoc system of having many mutually-incompatible IDs | Jan 03 07:52 |
| Hail_Spacecake | for one, I don't think that the ad-hoc system makes it so the state has meaningfully less power over people | Jan 03 07:52 |
| Hail_Spacecake | for another, the lack of an id system means that many institutions that want to track your real-world identity use your social security number, which is a bad ID number becuase it wasn't designed to be an ID number | Jan 03 07:53 |
| Hail_Spacecake | it's also relatively easy to steal/forge | Jan 03 07:53 |
| Hail_Spacecake | but nonetheless people have to use their SSN in many offical contexts, like an official ID number anyway | Jan 03 07:53 |
| schestowitz | seems so | Jan 03 07:57 |
| schestowitz | these get leaked, too | Jan 03 07:57 |
| schestowitz | Labour Party tried introducing national ID here | Jan 03 07:57 |
| schestowitz | We just have national insurance number, NHS ID etc. | Jan 03 07:58 |
| schestowitz | but gchq makes vast database | Jan 03 07:58 |
| schestowitz | of so many things | Jan 03 07:58 |
| schestowitz | so having no central, single idea might miss the point we already have lots of implicit one, accommodated with far too much personal data | Jan 03 07:59 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, meduza has an article on 100 years of Issac Asimov | Jan 03 11:31 |
| scientes | so i guess in RUssia the site isn't just anti-Putin | Jan 03 11:31 |
| scientes | *in Russian | Jan 03 11:31 |
| scientes | my friend sent it to me | Jan 03 11:31 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: It's not narrowly focused, yes. | Jan 03 12:29 |
| XRevan86 | > he like to do the "but they do X" thing too, talking about history of slavery in the US | Jan 03 12:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Whataboutery | Jan 03 12:30 |
| XRevan86 | But that's not why I linked it, that | Jan 03 12:31 |
| XRevan86 | sentence is focused on nuclear war and honour of death, but only "our" death | Jan 03 12:33 |
| scientes | yes, whataboutery | Jan 03 12:33 |
| scientes | I saw that video before | Jan 03 12:33 |
| scientes | "they won't have time to repent" | Jan 03 12:33 |
| scientes | what he is alluding to there is the definition of a holy war | Jan 03 12:34 |
| scientes | where god is on "our" side | Jan 03 12:34 |
| scientes | which is distinct from a cosmic war, where combatants are living out on earth a war they believe is actually taking place in the heavens | Jan 03 12:34 |
| scientes | mujahadeen | Jan 03 12:35 |
| scientes | but they don't have to be muslims of course | Jan 03 12:35 |
| scientes | lots of christians too, that like try to blow up the temple on the mount to bring about the second coming of christ | Jan 03 12:35 |
| MinceR | it would be nice to have an arena where all these nutcases could fight it out without harming anyone else | Jan 03 12:39 |
| scientes | with camera, and broadcast on TV | Jan 03 12:40 |
| scientes | *cameras | Jan 03 12:40 |
| scientes | Abrahapocolypse | Jan 03 12:40 |
| scientes | tu quoque | Jan 03 12:55 |
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| psydroid | <Hail_Spacecake "but can you buy an ARM laptop?"> Pinebook Pro, which still has some blobs, but with respect to freedom it's better than what you get with x86 these days | Jan 03 15:21 |
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| scientes | psydroid, PayPal ripped me off $10 when I went to buy a pinebook pro | Jan 03 16:17 |
| scientes | so I had them refund it, and they didn't even give me a full refund, even though they said they did | Jan 03 16:17 |
| scientes | thieves | Jan 03 16:17 |
| danielp3344 | bitcoin! | Jan 03 16:18 |
| scientes | UnionPay also has enough security to avoid that fraud | Jan 03 16:18 |
| psydroid | scientes, I haven't used paypal for almost 3 years, I know what they're up to and would rather use something else | Jan 03 16:18 |
| scientes | but MasterCard and Visa are not secure | Jan 03 16:18 |
| scientes | psydroid, except PinebookPro can only be bought with PayPal | Jan 03 16:18 |
| scientes | but PayPal also takes UnionPay, and UnionPay actually has a little bit of security | Jan 03 16:19 |
| scientes | the problem is that the one bank that issued UnionPay in Georgia no longer does | Jan 03 16:19 |
| scientes | and when I applied for the only issuer in U.S. I was denied with no reason why | Jan 03 16:19 |
| scientes | is there a way to get unionpay in Europe? | Jan 03 16:20 |
| scientes | I saw a few Russian banks offer it | Jan 03 16:20 |
| psydroid | I hadn't heard of it until now | Jan 03 16:21 |
| scientes | its chinese | Jan 03 16:21 |
| scientes | and unlike Mir is accepted around the world | Jan 03 16:21 |
| scientes | *MirPay | Jan 03 16:21 |
| scientes | I read they confirm payments via SMS | Jan 03 16:22 |
| scientes | with the ability to cancel via SMS | Jan 03 16:22 |
| scientes | MasterCard has a chargeback method, but the problem is that they are collusion with PayPal so there is no point | Jan 03 16:24 |
| scientes | the shadow U.S. state | Jan 03 16:24 |
| scientes | as long as your accounts are linked to MasterCard of Visa you don't have a bank | Jan 03 16:24 |
| scientes | and I hear all the time of people having their accounts cleaned out through those cards | Jan 03 16:25 |
| psydroid | apparently the situation when it comes to UnionPay is terrible here in the Netherlands | Jan 03 16:26 |
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| scientes | clarify what you mean by "terrible" | Jan 03 16:28 |
| scientes | generally places take UnionPay to attract chinese tourists | Jan 03 16:29 |
| scientes | because unlike U.S. and increasingly European tourists, Chinese tourists actually have money | Jan 03 16:29 |
| scientes | I mean, China has $10,000 per capital income | Jan 03 16:29 |
| scientes | and that is over a huge population | Jan 03 16:29 |
| scientes | *capita | Jan 03 16:29 |
| scientes | they have MUCH more purchasing power than any other country, per capita | Jan 03 16:30 |
| scientes | cause in China, it is all UnionPay, Alipay, and WeChat pay | Jan 03 16:31 |
| scientes | AFAIK | Jan 03 16:31 |
| scientes | with UnionPay the only one that went international | Jan 03 16:31 |
| scientes | the fact is that Visa and MasterCard as selling a shitty insecure product | Jan 03 16:32 |
| scientes | and all the technology is right in front of them to do NFC online purchases, which would be extremely secure | Jan 03 16:32 |
| scientes | with SMS verification of the amounts | Jan 03 16:34 |
| scientes | *and that could be fixed by adding LCDs to credit cards | Jan 03 16:34 |
| scientes | it is downright negligence | Jan 03 16:35 |
| scientes | because they don't believe in private property | Jan 03 16:35 |
| scientes | only for themselves | Jan 03 16:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | > the fact is that Visa and MasterCard as selling a shitty insecure product | Jan 03 18:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We didn't even have chip cards in the US until a few years ago and they still have magnetic stripes on them. | Jan 03 18:00 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/reFlyVqUsRGBulJrBUyaPpsI > | Jan 03 18:00 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sorry, connection issue. | Jan 03 18:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google paid Mastercard so that if anyone in the US uses a Mastercard, Google knows what they did and can sell targeted ads based on it. | Jan 03 18:01 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The banks aren't running those "free" cards at a loss. They charge thr merchants to take them and they track you ans sell the information | Jan 03 18:02 |
| scientes | <DaemonFC[m]> Google paid Mastercard so that if anyone in the US uses a Mastercard, Google knows what they did and can sell targeted ads based on it. | Jan 03 18:05 |
| scientes | interesting | Jan 03 18:05 |
| scientes | but not really suprising | Jan 03 18:05 |
| scientes | as Google's links to the state dept have been well known for a long time | Jan 03 18:05 |
| scientes | Larry Paige and Sergei Brin lost control of that company decades ago | Jan 03 18:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, well, once the information belongs to Google, they can "voluntarily" give it to the government, who in turn ignores monopoly and tax laws. | Jan 03 18:06 |
| scientes | also the company has completely lost its way | Jan 03 18:06 |
| scientes | whenever I talk to anyone inside that company you realize there is a strong divide between management and engineers | Jan 03 18:06 |
| scientes | and they just push $$$$$$ marketing marketing marketying | Jan 03 18:06 |
| scientes | because they don't want the engineers to realize that they are working for a lie | Jan 03 18:07 |
| MinceR | they won't even let the engineers do their jobs in many cases | Jan 03 18:07 |
| scientes | they had to back down on the military integration in Google after engineers threatened mutiny | Jan 03 18:07 |
| scientes | but the mutiny threat goes way deeper | Jan 03 18:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no reason to use Google Chrome or their search anymore. | Jan 03 18:08 |
| scientes | they have to sell $$$$ and only $$$ to avoid talking about politics | Jan 03 18:08 |
| scientes | because these engineers are smart enough that if they look at the political situation they will get a plane ticket and leave the US | Jan 03 18:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They even crippled their image search because people were complaining that it made it easy to save a copy of an image. | Jan 03 18:08 |
| scientes | (to their engineers) | Jan 03 18:08 |
| scientes | I talked to a Google engineer when I was in Lima | Jan 03 18:08 |
| scientes | anything to keep them slaves | Jan 03 18:09 |
| scientes | even giving them busywork | Jan 03 18:09 |
| scientes | keep them ignorant | Jan 03 18:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's an open source extension for Firedox to uncripple Google image search though. | Jan 03 18:09 |
| scientes | prevent them from realizing the that emperor has no clothes | Jan 03 18:10 |
| psydroid | <scientes "clarify what you mean by "terrib"> you can't use it in many places, it feels backward compared to other European countries | Jan 03 18:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of my Firefox extensions are to strip ads and trackers and make sites work the way I want them to. | Jan 03 18:10 |
| scientes | psydroid, "backwards" describes all of these payment systems | Jan 03 18:10 |
| scientes | as they are built on IBM mainframes | Jan 03 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just as well you have to sideload bypass paywalls. | Jan 03 18:11 |
| scientes | and use EDIBIC | Jan 03 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If morw people used it then they'd make the paywalls nastier to make it impossible to get past them. | Jan 03 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't see how responding to ad blockers woth paywalls is going to work. | Jan 03 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody is going to pay 300 websites even a dollar a month each. | Jan 03 18:12 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], you mean a jail | Jan 03 18:12 |
| scientes | they are not paywalls, they are jails, where the web site rots inside | Jan 03 18:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A paywall just makes your site irrelevant and then people no longer link to you becauae there's nothing most of us can read there anyway. | Jan 03 18:12 |
| scientes | Upset people get to pull the water wagon. | Jan 03 18:13 |
| scientes | ^^^^^^^^ | Jan 03 18:13 |
| scientes | that idiom is useful in so many situations | Jan 03 18:13 |
| *scientes loves it | Jan 03 18:14 | |
| MinceR | but what does it mean? | Jan 03 18:14 |
| scientes | MinceR, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5hpxgfCD_Y | Jan 03 18:15 |
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| MinceR | scientes: nice video, but these people were upset after they had to pull the water wagon | Jan 03 18:25 |
| scientes | MinceR, that's the joke | Jan 03 18:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's folklore stuff, no one knows exactly. The basic idea is that don't take offence or else… something | Jan 03 18:26 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 03 18:26 |
| scientes | XRevan86, its also that those taking offense were doing something anti-social | Jan 03 18:27 |
| scientes | so they don't have anyone to be angry at except themselves | Jan 03 18:27 |
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| scientes | hence the horse before the cart | Jan 03 18:27 |
| scientes | their anti-socialness is to blame, and hence they were upset before they voiced it | Jan 03 18:28 |
| scientes | that is why the idiom is also funny | Jan 03 18:28 |
| XRevan86 | It is a dismissive approach towards being offended. | Jan 03 18:28 |
| scientes | only when misused | Jan 03 18:29 |
| scientes | which the Russian personality is sure to due | Jan 03 18:29 |
| scientes | do* | Jan 03 18:29 |
| scientes | dismissive personality | Jan 03 18:29 |
| XRevan86 | As holding a grudge for minor misdeeds is not constructive and often just annoying. | Jan 03 18:29 |
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| XRevan86 | - But he took my toys! | Jan 03 18:29 |
| scientes | that is a misuse | Jan 03 18:29 |
| XRevan86 | - Brush it off already | Jan 03 18:29 |
| scientes | that is whataboutism | Jan 03 18:30 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Is it? | Jan 03 18:30 |
| scientes | its like in that video about asbestos mining in Russia | Jan 03 18:31 |
| scientes | and they are like "meh" | Jan 03 18:31 |
| XRevan86 | I mean cases like an old person talking about how another person wronged them 60 years, taking a plate without asking | Jan 03 18:31 |
| scientes | its the philosophy that the person with the problem IS the problem | Jan 03 18:31 |
| XRevan86 | * them 60 years ago | Jan 03 18:32 |
| XRevan86 | held the grudge for so very long | Jan 03 18:32 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah, but it is a misuse then because there is no water wagon being pulled | Jan 03 18:32 |
| XRevan86 | that person gets to pull the wagon | Jan 03 18:32 |
| scientes | there is no frustration or grief | Jan 03 18:32 |
| scientes | and using it is just saying "your bugging me, don't give ME grief" | Jan 03 18:32 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: If that person resents someone for decades, there is | Jan 03 18:32 |
| scientes | its Russian dismissive attitude | Jan 03 18:33 |
| scientes | XRevan86, sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me | Jan 03 18:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I'm confused now. | Jan 03 18:33 |
| scientes | there is no physical problem | Jan 03 18:33 |
| scientes | if the person is losing money, then it applies | Jan 03 18:33 |
| scientes | but if it is just feelings , it doesn't apply | Jan 03 18:33 |
| scientes | they have to be ACTIVELY suffering some loss | Jan 03 18:34 |
| scientes | the pain has to come both before and after the upsetness | Jan 03 18:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I think it's more about making amends rather than fuelling some conflict. | Jan 03 18:34 |
| scientes | no, i think it is the conflict---the joke is that the suffering is the restorative punishment | Jan 03 18:34 |
| scientes | to bring them back to sanity and society | Jan 03 18:35 |
| scientes | for their anti-social actions | Jan 03 18:35 |
| scientes | which is exactly what punishment should be | Jan 03 18:35 |
| scientes | funny | Jan 03 18:35 |
| scientes | if it isn't funny, they you just have a GULAG | Jan 03 18:36 |
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| XRevan86 | "на обиженных воду возят" – literally: on those upset/offended/insulted *they* transport water | Jan 03 18:36 |
| scientes | oh i see | Jan 03 18:36 |
| scientes | so it applies to both situations | Jan 03 18:36 |
| scientes | its both the punishment, and the prospect of punishment | Jan 03 18:37 |
| scientes | while the translation i was using was only the punishment | Jan 03 18:37 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It may be interpreted not as a punishment | Jan 03 18:38 |
| XRevan86 | but, for instance, as that the offended person is only good for carrying water | Jan 03 18:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You're reading too much into a pretty vague proverb. | Jan 03 18:39 |
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| scientes | ahhh yeah its pretty vague | Jan 03 18:40 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> but, for instance, as that the offended person is only good for carrying water | Jan 03 18:40 |
| scientes | anyways, I guess I am just discovering the power of dismissiveness | Jan 03 18:40 |
| XRevan86 | Do not be vindictive or something. | Jan 03 18:40 |
| scientes | ooo, nice word | Jan 03 18:41 |
| scientes | it is said that stupid is infinite at all points in the universe | Jan 03 18:42 |
| XRevan86 | I'm pretty sure it is localised in just one spot | Jan 03 18:43 |
| scientes | XRevan86, where is this source of stupid you speak of? | Jan 03 18:43 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: La Tero | Jan 03 18:44 |
| scientes | hehehehehe | Jan 03 18:44 |
| scientes | uggh, that is an ugly one, isn't it | Jan 03 18:45 |
| scientes | feminine but ends with a o | Jan 03 18:45 |
| scientes | oh, La Tierra | Jan 03 18:47 |
| scientes | what language is that? | Jan 03 18:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Esperanto | Jan 03 18:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: A language with no grammatical gender | Jan 03 18:47 |
| XRevan86 | La Tero estas blua planedo en la Sunsistemo | Jan 03 18:48 |
| scientes | "Sun" | Jan 03 18:48 |
| scientes | wtf | Jan 03 18:48 |
| scientes | the latin is SOL | Jan 03 18:48 |
| scientes | or SOLI | Jan 03 18:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: jes | Jan 03 18:48 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Sed Esperanto ne estas Latinida lingvo | Jan 03 18:49 |
| XRevan86 | Latinida == derived from Latin | Jan 03 18:50 |
| scientes | are you using Esperanto just to stress the level of stupid? | Jan 03 18:50 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: No, just wanted to be funky | Jan 03 18:51 |
| scientes | I should learn more Georgian for that | Jan 03 18:51 |
| scientes | they haven't really done all the ground work however | Jan 03 18:51 |
| XRevan86 | but at the same time still understandable by English speakers | Jan 03 18:51 |
| scientes | like the Android keyboard for Georgian is totally half-assed | Jan 03 18:51 |
| scientes | and it has been more than 15 years since the CIA revolution in Georgia | Jan 03 18:52 |
| scientes | which tells me they don't really care about the language, they just want to remove the influence of Russian | Jan 03 18:52 |
| scientes | and this is friggen G-Board | Jan 03 18:53 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't know anything about that | Jan 03 18:53 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Kazakhstan is totally like that | Jan 03 18:53 |
| scientes | except Georgian is a real language | Jan 03 18:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Georgia… it's just 4 million people, you know. | Jan 03 18:54 |
| scientes | (I don't know anything about Kazakh) | Jan 03 18:54 |
| scientes | but unlike, say, Ukranian | Jan 03 18:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: A real Turkic language | Jan 03 18:54 |
| scientes | ill install yandex keyboard | Jan 03 18:55 |
| scientes | and see if it is better | Jan 03 18:55 |
| XRevan86 | At least Gboard allows disabling "telemetry" | Jan 03 18:55 |
| scientes | ooo, that is super creepy | Jan 03 18:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What did you expect? | Jan 03 18:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yandex loves data mining. | Jan 03 18:56 |
| XRevan86 | And not constrained by GDPR and stuff | Jan 03 18:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Ukrainian didn't just appear out of thin air. As a standardised language it is young, but it is quite real. | Jan 03 18:57 |
| scientes | also asks for your contacts | Jan 03 18:57 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah, but it is a dialect, not a language | Jan 03 18:57 |
| scientes | georgian has been written since the 4th century | Jan 03 18:58 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Eh, Swedish and Dutch are considered separate languages | Jan 03 18:58 |
| scientes | and as far as I heard, few speak dutch anymore | Jan 03 19:00 |
| scientes | oh, i meant danish | Jan 03 19:00 |
| XRevan86 | I also meant Danish %) | Jan 03 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | "separate languages" can be very darn similiar | Jan 03 19:01 |
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| XRevan86 | It doesn't have to make sense, it's just "self-identification" and politics. | Jan 03 19:02 |
| scientes | nah, Yandex keyboard uses the exact same layout | Jan 03 19:02 |
| scientes | its probably the same as some standard layout, but its still dumb cause it has a bunch of latin characters on the second level | Jan 03 19:03 |
| scientes | as Georgian doesn't have capitals | Jan 03 19:03 |
| scientes | but does have more than 26 letters | Jan 03 19:03 |
| scientes | they would be better off putting those extra characters on the number row | Jan 03 19:03 |
| scientes | and then shift could be used to switch to another script, like latin or cyrillic | Jan 03 19:04 |
| scientes | actually they have enough space on the right hand side | Jan 03 19:05 |
| scientes | to just put punctuation on the second level | Jan 03 19:05 |
| scientes | yeah its the same as my layout | Jan 03 19:09 |
| scientes | most locals I see just do it with latin | Jan 03 19:11 |
| scientes | and all lower case | Jan 03 19:11 |
| scientes | wait | Jan 03 19:11 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Really? That sounds sad. | Jan 03 19:11 |
| scientes | not sure if they are using capitals | Jan 03 19:11 |
| scientes | yeah like I added the georgian, and he is like, I want the latin back | Jan 03 19:12 |
| scientes | to type georgian... | Jan 03 19:12 |
| scientes | and I get all these text messages in latin georgia | Jan 03 19:12 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_keyboard_layout | Jan 03 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Georgian keyboard layout - Wikipedia | Jan 03 19:13 | |
| rianne | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-50856275 | Jan 03 19:16 |
| scientes | http://web.archive.org/web/20140422001432/http://www.microsoft.com/resources/msdn/goglobal/keyboards/kbdgeoer.html | Jan 03 19:16 |
| Hail_Spacecake | there's like two slightly different standards for informally romanizing georgian | Jan 03 19:16 |
| scientes | that's what I was talking about | Jan 03 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Belching in a good way: How livestock could learn from Orkney sheep - BBC News | Jan 03 19:16 | |
| scientes | that looks much better | Jan 03 19:16 |
| scientes | all on the first level | Jan 03 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Georgian (Ergonomic) Keyboard Layout | Jan 03 19:16 | |
| scientes | (it takes a while to load) | Jan 03 19:16 |
| Hail_Spacecake | q means one of two georgian letters | Jan 03 19:16 |
| Hail_Spacecake | depending on which one you mean | Jan 03 19:16 |
| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/k2i81s.png | Jan 03 19:17 |
| scientes | MinceR, timely | Jan 03 19:17 |
| scientes | and then the second level is free for another script | Jan 03 19:19 |
| scientes | probably latin | Jan 03 19:19 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/646424.jpg | Jan 03 19:24 |
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| scientes | Hail_Spacecake, that is horrible, as it means that you can't learn the words from the latin version | Jan 03 19:28 |
| Hail_Spacecake | yeah it's confusing | Jan 03 19:30 |
| Hail_Spacecake | sit'q'va advili ar aris | Jan 03 19:31 |
| scientes | yeah I only know gamorjoba and madloba | Jan 03 19:31 |
| Hail_Spacecake | rogur xar | Jan 03 19:31 |
| scientes | I really should know more considering I have been here 1.5 months | Jan 03 19:32 |
| Hail_Spacecake | kari hkris (or qari hqris!) | Jan 03 19:32 |
| Hail_Spacecake | how long do you plan to be in georgia for? | Jan 03 19:32 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I studied the language some but have never been | Jan 03 19:32 |
| scientes | at least time middle of march | Jan 03 19:32 |
| scientes | *till | Jan 03 19:32 |
| Hail_Spacecake | what for? | Jan 03 19:33 |
| scientes | but I like it | Jan 03 19:33 |
| scientes | I rented an apartment | Jan 03 19:34 |
| scientes | in Batumi | Jan 03 19:34 |
| scientes | I like how christian they are too | Jan 03 19:34 |
| XRevan86 | not a bug but a feature? | Jan 03 19:35 |
| scientes | its not like U.S. fanaticism | Jan 03 19:35 |
| scientes | **protestism | Jan 03 19:36 |
| scientes | uggh | Jan 03 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The what? | Jan 03 19:37 |
| scientes | Protestantism | Jan 03 19:37 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Isn't it supposed to be more chill? | Jan 03 19:37 |
| Hail_Spacecake | certainly if you dislike protestants you might find it worth your time to go to a country with an extremely old christian tradition | Jan 03 19:37 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I don't know much about the type of orthodox christianity they do in georgia | Jan 03 19:38 |
| Hail_Spacecake | priests can marry I think? | Jan 03 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | "extremely old" – Byzantine isn't extremely old, just the oldest surviving | Jan 03 19:38 |
| scientes | Hail_Spacecake, the marry thing is just a catholic thing | Jan 03 19:38 |
| scientes | the problem with protestantism in the U.S. is the literal reading of the bible | Jan 03 19:38 |
| Hail_Spacecake | ah yeah, I guess protestants don't really have priests | Jan 03 19:38 |
| scientes | I mean my grandfather was Lutheran | Jan 03 19:39 |
| scientes | and took it seriously | Jan 03 19:39 |
| scientes | Hail_Spacecake, they have priests and sermons, but no clergy | Jan 03 19:39 |
| scientes | well I don't know how it works in europes | Jan 03 19:39 |
| scientes | the anglicans certainly had clergy at one point | Jan 03 19:40 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I thought it was more like, there was no formal order of priests | Jan 03 19:40 |
| Hail_Spacecake | any believer could in principle become a minister | Jan 03 19:40 |
| Hail_Spacecake | and it was just by convention that you went to some kind of higher education to do that | Jan 03 19:40 |
| scientes | I think Jane Austen's father was a clergyman in the anglican church | Jan 03 19:40 |
| scientes | anyways, yes, orthodox has way more history | Jan 03 19:41 |
| scientes | or rather, they have more historical practice | Jan 03 19:41 |
| scientes | I attended a orthodox monestary twice while in the U.S. | Jan 03 19:41 |
| scientes | *visited | Jan 03 19:41 |
| scientes | I don't really have a good plan for learning Georgian if I stay here | Jan 03 19:42 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, you just have to get that I come from the Americas, where there are only 4 commonly spoken languages | Jan 03 19:45 |
| scientes | it is a totally different experience when there are so few languages | Jan 03 19:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I can't say that I'm exposed to a very big lot of languages IRL. | Jan 03 19:48 |
| scientes | I certainly am in Georgia | Jan 03 19:48 |
| scientes | and was in London in the single day I was there | Jan 03 19:48 |
| scientes | Arabic, Turkish, Russian, Georgian, English | Jan 03 19:49 |
| scientes | Persian | Jan 03 19:49 |
| scientes | oh, and Polish | Jan 03 19:50 |
| scientes | German | Jan 03 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | Let's just say, I only use English on-line. | Jan 03 19:51 |
| scientes | and I want to be FLUENT in a language, like I am in English, but I realize that its not like that here, when I was in Peru a bilingual Spanish-English said my English was "perfect" and I had Europeans say that sort of thing before, but that never made sense to me | Jan 03 19:51 |
| Hail_Spacecake | scientes: what do you do for work? | Jan 03 19:52 |
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| scientes | Hail_Spacecake, computer programming | Jan 03 19:52 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Somehow it doesn't surprise me that someone would call your English "perfect" :) | Jan 03 19:52 |
| Hail_Spacecake | what country is your employer located in? | Jan 03 19:53 |
| scientes | USA | Jan 03 19:53 |
| *psydroid has only just realised the shill has left the channel | Jan 03 19:56 | |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: Who? matlock? | Jan 03 19:57 |
| psydroid | XRevan86, the one and only | Jan 03 19:57 |
| psydroid | lonely? | Jan 03 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: How can one be lonely with Windows 10? | Jan 03 19:58 |
| psydroid | XRevan86, that's a good question, you will always be on the Edge watching out for what's going to happen next | Jan 03 19:58 |
| *scientes needs sleep | Jan 03 20:03 | |
| MinceR | i'm not so sure there are no more shills lurking though | Jan 03 20:03 |
| psydroid | there must be more of them, no doubt about that | Jan 03 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | You don't get it, WSL is helping gaming on Linux, as this one engine didn't have to use Linux to develop a Linux server for their game | Jan 03 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | You still need Windows to play it though, but no Windows Server, truly a win. | Jan 03 20:06 |
| XRevan86 | (it probably would've had a Linux server either way as the alternative is mad, but let's not think about that) | Jan 03 20:07 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 03 20:09 |
| MinceR | "windows server" is a joke in itself | Jan 03 20:09 |
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| XRevan86 | Hence why WSL is a thing. But nooo, apparently it's something noble and great | Jan 03 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | and will help GNU/Linux somehow and not just extend Microsoft's influence on the server side | Jan 03 20:13 |
| schestowitz | windows server serves microsoft | Jan 03 20:21 |
| schestowitz | not the sites | Jan 03 20:21 |
| schestowitz | it takes up too much power sending data to mother ship | Jan 03 20:21 |
| schestowitz | so you overspend energy and money | Jan 03 20:21 |
| schestowitz | and the server master is not even you | Jan 03 20:21 |
| schestowitz | i think you need to ask microsoft for permission and pay more if you add CPI cores etc | Jan 03 20:22 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Q4OS 3.10 Centaurus, stable http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132458 [https://pleroma.site/objects/70408352-6eb5-4bb5-97bd-ce146f305ec7] | Jan 03 20:43 | |
| psydroid | that's the same thing as Unity3D supposedly helping gaming on Linux by running the same C# code as on Linux | Jan 03 20:52 |
| psydroid | I guess we should all cheer now | Jan 03 20:52 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 03 20:53 |
| psydroid | as on Backdoors* | Jan 03 20:54 |
| MinceR | people will be blackmailed for running that microsoft visual java code in Linux in a way they won't for running it on Backdoors, though | Jan 03 20:54 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS Status http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132459 [https://pleroma.site/objects/eb391440-07cc-4cb0-a31d-56cc81f7d21e] | Jan 03 20:54 | |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: At least that has a better connection to reality than WSL helping GNU/Linux | Jan 03 20:57 |
| psydroid | and with the "news" that EA and Steam are blocking Linux users who use WINE/DXVK/KVM I don't think there is anything redeeming about playing games written to Backdoors APIs | Jan 03 20:58 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: Does Steam do that? I heard about Blizzard and EA | Jan 03 20:59 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: not steam/valve directly. Third parties on there can with anticheat stuff. | Jan 03 20:59 |
| psydroid | https://forum.level1techs.com/t/steam-vac-no-longer-compatible-with-kvm/114103 | Jan 03 20:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.level1techs.com | Steam VAC no longer compatible with KVM - Software & Operating Systems - Level1Techs Forums | Jan 03 20:59 | |
| psydroid | oiaohm, it wouldn't make one iota of difference to me as a gamer | Jan 03 21:00 |
| psydroid | but then again I don't play Windows games | Jan 03 21:01 |
| psydroid | Backdoors* | Jan 03 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | Why use a backdoor when you can enter through windows? | Jan 03 21:02 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: mainline wine project developers get free access to valve games for testing and repair reasons. | Jan 03 21:02 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: as in the complete collection for nothing. | Jan 03 21:02 |
| oiaohm | So steam games not working on wine its normally not the copy protection. There are still issues with DXVK at times looking like different game cheats. | Jan 03 21:03 |
| oiaohm | And that partly due to some of the so called optimisations dxvk has done. | Jan 03 21:03 |
| MinceR | In a world without Walls and Fences, who needs Windows and Gates? | Jan 03 21:05 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: https://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/general-programming-and-reversing/222266-vm-hack.html the vm issue with kvm you can trace to these pains in the asses wanting to cheat in online games. | Jan 03 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unknowncheats.me | [Help] VM Hack | Jan 03 21:06 | |
| psydroid | no one needs Windows, Gates or Backdoors | Jan 03 21:07 |
| oiaohm | Its kind of a hard problem people want to play games without people cheating. Lot of technolgy for cross OS compadiblity cheats look at exploiting. | Jan 03 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | https://set-os.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/windows-firewall.jpg | Jan 03 21:08 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: yep that is very much the problem of anti cheat systems as well. | Jan 03 21:09 |
| oiaohm | The old school lan games had their advantage. | Jan 03 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Anti-lockpicking :) | Jan 03 21:10 |
| MinceR | sometimes the server can monitor the inputs given by the players to find evidence of cheating | Jan 03 21:12 |
| MinceR | aimbots, for example | Jan 03 21:12 |
| MinceR | xonotic also avoids wallhack without any sort of client-side malware, by not telling clients about entities they should not be able to see | Jan 03 21:12 |
| psydroid | but exactly these shenanigans have convinced me that proprietary games are history | Jan 03 21:18 |
| oiaohm | service side anti cheat does have it limitations. | Jan 03 21:18 |
| psydroid | they're like dead men walking | Jan 03 21:18 |
| oiaohm | client side anti cheat causes lots of different problems as well. | Jan 03 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Because it's practically DRM? | Jan 03 21:20 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 03 21:21 |
| oiaohm | Digital rights management can in fact be less invasive than anti cheat. | Jan 03 21:21 |
| MinceR | both DRM and "anti-cheat" malware are unacceptable | Jan 03 21:21 |
| oiaohm | All the DRM stuff I have seen in recent years are not loading up kernel modules doing non recommended actions. | Jan 03 21:23 |
| oiaohm | https://www.battleye.com/ this and other anti-cheats can be accessing kernel structs that Microsoft tells developers not access at all. | Jan 03 21:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BattlEye – The Anti-Cheat Gold Standard | Jan 03 21:23 | |
| oiaohm | Of course that leads to some horrible bad problem. | Jan 03 21:23 |
| oiaohm | basically the Digital rights management guys grew up after the big sony blow up over kernel modules. | Jan 03 21:24 |
| oiaohm | anti cheat guys are still wild wild west. | Jan 03 21:24 |
| MinceR | doesn't sound like growing up to me | Jan 03 21:24 |
| XRevan86 | infant → toddler | Jan 03 21:25 |
| oiaohm | Exactly XRevan86 | Jan 03 21:25 |
| oiaohm | they grew up enough they are no long randomally distrupting everything. | Jan 03 21:25 |
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| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal << its this historic case that was kind of the turning point that DRM system makers stopped randomally probing all over the OS for crap. | Jan 03 21:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal - Wikipedia | Jan 03 21:27 | |
| oiaohm | We have not seen anticheat guys get the memo yet. | Jan 03 21:27 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I wonder if there's a way to build anti-cheat software on top of a smart-contract-enforced blockchain | Jan 03 21:28 |
| Hail_Spacecake | *enforcing | Jan 03 21:28 |
| oiaohm | Not that I particularly like either DRM or anticheat. | Jan 03 21:28 |
| oiaohm | on client side. | Jan 03 21:28 |
| XRevan86 | Considering the very new war of anti-cheats against Wine and virtualisation, they've moved from infant to ovum | Jan 03 21:29 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: particular once you look at DRM and notice it basically works in wine and virtualisation other than normalish bugs blocking it. | Jan 03 21:30 |
| MinceR | afaict the only way this sort of "anti-cheat" can work is if they ensure that clients don't get to play on general purpose computers | Jan 03 21:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: console | Jan 03 21:31 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/SyT34O1.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/GDrRzVg ) | Jan 03 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Just... a Canadian cat - Album on Imgur | Jan 03 21:31 | |
| XRevan86 | "console" – NetHack? | Jan 03 21:31 |
| MinceR | yeah, i guess "modern" consoles aren't general purpose computers | Jan 03 21:31 |
| oiaohm | Yes a lot of game developers would love if everyone would just play on game console systems. | Jan 03 21:31 |
| MinceR | but i'm not sure how can they exclude emulators | Jan 03 21:31 |
| oiaohm | You even at times see it in how they port to PC. | Jan 03 21:32 |
| MinceR | yes, a lot of game developers suck at their jobs | Jan 03 21:32 |
| MinceR | film at 11 | Jan 03 21:32 |
| XRevan86 | It's kind of amazing just how little sense gaming consoles make from any reason standpoint | Jan 03 21:32 |
| oiaohm | Nothing as wrong as a console to pc game deciding hey I was built in console I still must limit output to 30 frames per second. | Jan 03 21:32 |
| XRevan86 | the most capitalist thing ever | Jan 03 21:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: some console games include emulation detection code. | Jan 03 21:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: on platforms that don't have emulators yet. | Jan 03 21:34 |
| oiaohm | Game developers between anti cheat and drm to attempt to make money to attempt to break even is a sad world. | Jan 03 21:35 |
| oiaohm | Yes micro transactions to buy crap in game would not really work if you could cheat the item. | Jan 03 21:36 |
| XRevan86 | The year is 3000, some sad gamer couldn't emulate PS4 to play an anti-cheat purrtected game | Jan 03 21:36 |
| XRevan86 | - You're busted cheater, you have to get the real thing. | Jan 03 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | - But we don't use electricity anymore! | Jan 03 21:37 |
| MinceR | they don't really work in any case | Jan 03 21:37 |
| MinceR | all they do is make the game suck | Jan 03 21:37 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Radeon Gallium3D, Libinput 1.15 and Mesa http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132461 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dbe31fa6-aa01-479e-930c-31e4f44ed2ca] | Jan 03 21:38 | |
| MinceR | and it doesn't matter anymore because i'm not stuck with proprietary games anymore :> | Jan 03 21:38 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: https://venturebeat.com/2018/01/23/the-cost-of-games/ This has some very interesting graphs. | Jan 03 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The cost of games | VentureBeat | Jan 03 21:40 | |
| oiaohm | I don't think commerical gaming as we know it will make it to year 3000. | Jan 03 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: "PS4 emulator" – obviously I meant a retro nerd :) | Jan 03 21:41 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Allison Randal Joins Conservancy Board http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132462 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7aef661a-f7a1-4ae4-b885-8c56c08573d6] | Jan 03 21:41 | |
| oiaohm | Notice the 2018 forcast there is by 2028 all games will be basically free to play. | Jan 03 21:42 |
| MinceR | and pay to win | Jan 03 21:43 |
| oiaohm | Hello micro transaction crap to recover cost. | Jan 03 21:43 |
| MinceR | there will still be independent free software games made for fun | Jan 03 21:43 |
| oiaohm | Yep if you don't pay you will be at such a disadvantage you will be unlikely to win. | Jan 03 21:43 |
| MinceR | and they're already more fun to play than the microtransaction pay2win bullshit | Jan 03 21:43 |
| oiaohm | I don't see a good future for commerial games. | Jan 03 21:44 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security contributions to OpenWrt: dm-verity and SELinux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132463 [https://pleroma.site/objects/12befa13-ee1b-465c-94f2-0007c6852335] | Jan 03 21:44 | |
| XRevan86 | The gaming industry is rich and profitable, yet somehow it feels more dead than ever | Jan 03 21:44 |
| *XRevan86 somehow feels that he started overusing the word "somehow". | Jan 03 21:45 | |
| MinceR | if this works for their clients then it will continue to work and make money | Jan 03 21:45 |
| MinceR | if it doesn't, it will die | Jan 03 21:45 |
| oiaohm | Large percentage of the gaming industry is not profitable. | Jan 03 21:46 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENpl6yiOpQ8 | Jan 03 21:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Postal 2 - Cursed Tape - YouTube | Jan 03 21:49 | |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: https://newzoo.com/insights/articles/the-global-games-market-will-generate-152-1-billion-in-2019-as-the-u-s-overtakes-china-as-the-biggest-market/ | Jan 03 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Global Games Market Will Generate $152.1 Billion in 2019 as the U.S. Overtakes China as the Biggest Market | Newzoo | Jan 03 21:50 | |
| oiaohm | Really the biggest game maket as you can see there is smart phones. | Jan 03 21:50 |
| oiaohm | Huge number of smart phone games are made that will never make a profit for the maker ever. | Jan 03 21:50 |
| oiaohm | For every dollar of profit you can expect 1000 dollars of losses with games. | Jan 03 21:51 |
| oiaohm | Of course that loss is normally all to not successful companies. | Jan 03 21:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What's the point? | Jan 03 21:52 |
| XRevan86 | "You know the drill with cursed tapes" – I really don't. | Jan 03 21:52 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: postal2/ring crossover | Jan 03 21:55 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: GNU/Linux Titles in 2020, Humble Choice and Police Stories http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132464 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7cc28ec7-2103-4628-abd1-cc7fcbb1b32a] | Jan 03 22:02 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Wine 5.0 RC4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132465 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f0b4243c-3cda-4a0f-84e9-ad5edb2951eb] | Jan 03 22:04 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19082315 | Jan 03 22:09 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Schism at the Heart of the Open-Source Movement http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132466 [https://pleroma.site/objects/18fccfae-6bb8-45f1-8ff0-ef4550250d87] | Jan 03 22:17 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora 32 Looking At Using EarlyOOM By Default To Better Deal With Low Memory Situations http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132467 [https://pleroma.site/objects/05ab799c-c4c0-4589-8926-fb5e7ec685e1] | Jan 03 22:21 | |
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