●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 ●●

● Mar 03
[00:00]	techrights-bot	"Time to check in on one of the trendier desktop environments on top of the world's most popular Linux distribution." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pq8k8ztMKw #gnu #linux
[00:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux for Normies?! - Ubuntu Deepin 20.10 Review - YouTube
[00:00]	DaemonFC[m]	Full approval of a vaccine normally takes no less than four years.
[00:00]	DaemonFC[m]	But we don't have that long before everyone gets COVID.
[00:01]	techrights-bot	#KeyNav : Eliminate The Mouse From Your Life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uot3Cs9YwOA #gnu #linux
[00:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-KeyNav: Eliminate The Mouse From Your Life - YouTube
[00:02]	DaemonFC[m]	"The vaccine may also have been a factor in whats known as Gulf War syndrome, a multi-symptom illness of unknown origin related to service in the 1991 war."
[00:02]	DaemonFC[m]	Also, would like to chime in here.
[00:02]	techrights-bot	#IPFire 2.25 - Core Update 154 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148342 #Security #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[00:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IPFire 2.25 - Core Update 154 released | Tux Machines
[00:02]	DaemonFC[m]	Gulf War Syndrome has been blamed on literally everything from the anthrax vaccine, to depleted uranium tank shells, to cans of Diet Coke that were in the sun.
[00:03]	DaemonFC[m]	The truth is nobody knows what caused it but soldiers who didn't get the anthrax vaccine also came down with it.
[00:04]	techrights-bot	#intel #linux https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.12-Swapfile-Corrupt see http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
[00:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-That Linux 5.12 Severe Data Corruption Bug Hits Intel CI Systems - Issue Caused By Swap File - Phoronix
[00:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights
[00:04]	DaemonFC[m]	"Lawsuits ensued, and in 2004 the D.C. Circuit court determined that the government had violated federal law by mandating the medicine, specifically because the vaccine in question was proven to prevent cutaneous anthrax infection, though the military sought to prevent against inhalation anthrax, the most deadly form of the disease and the one most likely to be associated with a bio-attack. But the FDA hadnt
[00:04]	DaemonFC[m]	adequately studied the vaccines use against inhalation anthrax, the court found, meaning it didnt meet the standard for mandatory military distribution."
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[00:05]	DaemonFC[m]	Which is a technicality, mind you. The vaccine was approved for one form of anthrax, but not the other. The effectiveness against inhalation anthrax was not known, but the vaccine had been through the testing required for the other type.
[00:06]	DaemonFC[m]	"Following further testing, mandatory anthrax vaccinations resumed in 2007, with troops risking court-martial and even separation from the service if they refused the vaccine. (Fun fact: Jake Angeli, the Viking-helmeted QAnon shaman of Capitol riot infamy, was kicked out of the Navy in late 2007, after two years as an enlisted sailor, for this very reason, according to Task & Purpose.)"
[00:06]	DaemonFC[m]	In other words, see what kind of people they end up throwing out for refusing a vaccine.
[00:07]	DaemonFC[m]	"they had hoped the military might serve as an example to the public"
[00:07]	vmg32	either way the get a label, problem diminished 
[00:07]	techrights-bot	LOL. Buzzwords and hype go together. We already knew that. Come back when there's a message with more actual substance. https://www.itbusinessedge.com/data-center/edge-computing-rise-of-5g.html
[00:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itbusinessedge.com | Edge Computing Set to Explode Alongside Rise of 5G
[00:08]	DaemonFC[m]	<vmg32 "either way the get a label, prob"> I don't know if vaccines ever prevented me from getting a particular disease or not, but I got them so I wouldn't have to worry about it after it was too late to do anything.
[00:08]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #CommonDreams Investigation Into Chemical Exposure From #Fracking in #Pennsylvania Provokes Call for Rapid Phaseout https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/01/investigation-chemical-exposure-fracking-pennsylvania-provokes-call-rapid-phaseout
[00:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Investigation Into Chemical Exposure From Fracking in Pennsylvania Provokes Call for Rapid Phaseout | Common Dreams News
[00:09]	vmg32	how many attack angles?
[00:09]	techrights-bot	Alliance with people who attack the taxi drivers, #linuxfoundfation adds another negative thing to the #linux brand https://linuxfoundation.org/en/press-release/new-mobile-native-foundation-to-foster-development-collaboration/
[00:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | New Mobile Native Foundation to Foster Development Collaboration - Linux Foundation
[00:10]	vmg32	divide and conquer
[00:12]	vmg32	my usefulness is over after 40 years of labour and I'm convinced they just want me to top myself
[00:12]	DaemonFC[m]	At least with the military sick they might not start a war.
[00:12]	DaemonFC[m]	But who knows.
[00:13]	vmg32	resistance is futile
[00:13]	vmg32	should I just jump into the ignorance is bliss camp
[00:14]	DaemonFC[m]	We already had a Coronavirus outbreak at the Naval Station in Waukegan.
[00:14]	DaemonFC[m]	Damned near all of them got it, and then about 40% of Waukegan ended up with COVID in the few months that followed.
[00:15]	techrights-bot	Mr. mjg59: let's help #uefi 'secure' boot promotion in #linux ... it'll help #security (not). Reality strikes... again. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GRUB-2021-Secure-Boot-Issues "oh, shit" http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UEFI
[00:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Multiple New Security Issues Hit GRUB Bootloader Around Secure Boot - Phoronix
[00:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights
[00:15]	DaemonFC[m]	North Chicago actually had it worse, and that's because the soldiers that go on and off the base are right next to North Chicago and have to go several miles to get into the city of Waukegan.
[00:16]	vmg32	I can only play devils advocate
[00:17]	techrights-bot	#microsoft #linux https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-NTFS3-v22-Driver #kernel in hands of bribed org (can't say no to those who corrupt it) http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation
[00:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New NTFS Driver Misses Out On Linux 5.12 But Revved A 22nd Time - Phoronix
[00:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights
[00:17]	vmg32	pulling on threads 
[00:18]	vmg32	it never end
[00:18]	vmg32	s
[00:18]	techrights-bot	#ibm : we used to do #mainframes ... now the industry and the media in its pockets calls it "clown" https://www.itwire.com/cloud/ibm-cloud-satellite-enables-clients-to-deliver-cloud-securely-in-any-environment-including-at-the-edge.html
[00:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - IBM Cloud Satellite enables clients to deliver cloud securely in any environment including at the edge
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[00:21]	techrights-bot	Time to go back to simpler CPUs that do not have back doors by design https://www.itproportal.com/news/spectre-returns-as-exploits-for-windows-and-linux-devices-found/
[00:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Spectre returns as exploits for Windows and Linux devices found | ITProPortal
[00:22]	techrights-bot	"Native #Tachyum #Linux 5.10" https://www.streetinsider.com/Business+Wire/Tachyum+Delivers+First+Software+Emulation+Systems/18064396.html
[00:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.streetinsider.com | Tachyum Delivers First Software Emulation Systems
[00:23]	DaemonFC[m]	https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/02/europe/europe-vaccine-strategy-splinters-intl/index.html
[00:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | Europe's unified vaccination strategy is splintering as nations turn to Israel, China and Russia for help - CNN
[00:23]	DaemonFC[m]	Led by Hungary. MinceR ^
[00:23]	DaemonFC[m]	The EU and Canada seem to have actually demanded prices that were so low that Pfizer is prioritizing the US.
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[00:26]	techrights-bot	#Microsoft is serving #malware again but Microsoft partners don't name Microsoft https://www.itpro.co.uk/security/hacking/358754/malicious-dependency-confusion-packages-are-stealing-password-files
[00:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | Malicious Dependency Confusion packages are stealing password files | IT PRO
[00:26]	vmg32	s/financing/prioritizing  
[00:26]	mjg59	schestowitz__: *Dr* mjg59
[00:27]	techrights-bot	"This is a bit of a dayjob post, but as I maintain a bunch of snaps in my own time, I figured its not out of place here." https://popey.com/blog/2021/03/updating-snap-bases/
[00:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popey.com | Updating Snap Bases - Alan Pope's blog
[00:28]	techrights-bot	#ArchLinux 2021.03.01 (rolling) is available http://www.archlinux.org/ #gnu #linux
[00:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archlinux.org | Arch Linux
[00:30]	techrights-bot	#uefi 'secure' boot was NEVER about #security but a bunch of charlatans ATTACKING security in services of #monopoly with back doors https://www.suse.com/c/suse-addresses-another-grub2-uefi-secure-boot-security-exposure/ FSF took money from those who did this http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UEFI
[00:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SUSE addresses another grub2 UEFI secure boot security exposure | SUSE Communities
[00:32]	techrights-bot	Bringing #surveillance into your skull https://www.iottechtrends.com/smart-hearables-alango-perspective/
[00:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iottechtrends.com | Hear Clearly With Smart Hearables: The Alango Perspective - IoT Tech Trends
[00:36]	techrights-bot	#Security : GRUB, Thycotic, and Spectre http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148345 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[00:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: GRUB, Thycotic, and 'Spectre' | Tux Machines
[00:36]	techrights-bot	Linux Foundation: #RISCV ISA and New Mobile Native Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148344 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[00:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation: RISC-V ISA and New Mobile Native Foundation | Tux Machines
[00:37]	techrights-bot	#openSUSE Review: A Linux Distro for the Practical User http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148343 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[00:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | openSUSE Review: A Linux Distro for the Practical User | Tux Machines
[00:39]	techrights-bot	Reminder of who or what #nytimes works for... https://www.itwire.com/open-sauce/plenty-of-mirth-as-recorded-future,-nyt-and-ex-nsa-man-have-a-punt-each-way.html
[00:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Plenty of mirth as Recorded Future, NYT and ex-NSA man have a punt each way
[00:40]	techrights-bot	#nytimes as #cia megaphone https://www.itwire.com/security/india-says-power-outage-due-to-human-error,-not-china-as-nyt-alleged.html
[00:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - India says power outage due to human error, not China as NYT alleged
[00:41]	DaemonFC[m]	Private Internet Access now builds the client on Debian.
[00:41]	vmg32	^ far out
[00:42]	techrights-bot	I see that #intel is still outsourcing the sources to #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-2021-LLVM-SPIR-V-Backend Intel is a dying, rotting basketcase http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
[00:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Looking To Upstream A Proper SPIR-V Compute Back-End For LLVM - Phoronix
[00:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights
[00:43]	vmg32	DaemonFC[m], the India post not you :)
[00:43]	techrights-bot	Digest of YaST Development Sprint 118 https://yast.opensuse.org/blog/2021-03-02/sprint-118 #yast2 #opensuse #suse #gnu #linux
[00:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yast.opensuse.org | Digest of YaST Development Sprint 118 | YaST
[00:43]	MinceR	DaemonFC[m]: yay, fake "vaccines" for everyone in the EU
[00:43]	MinceR	this plague won't end until we all die
[00:47]		*vmg32 is now known as vmg3
[00:50]	schestowitz__	there are many plagues 
[00:50]	schestowitz__	some less effective
[00:50]	schestowitz__	and some brought under control
[00:50]	schestowitz__	once the species adapt
[00:50]	schestowitz__	or gets innoculated
[00:51]	schestowitz__	the bigger threat is nuclear weapons
[00:51]	schestowitz__	but the corporate media says, "stay home!"
[00:51]	schestowitz__	This thing will kill us
[00:51]	schestowitz__	not nukes
[00:51]	schestowitz__	2.5 million dead
[00:51]	schestowitz__	but one nuclear war can kill 100 as many
[00:51]	schestowitz__	and leave behind it lots of radiation
[00:52]	schestowitz__	so if you fancy human extinction, this isn't >it<
[00:53]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #Techdirt #Censorship #ATandT Appears Committed To Being Comically Hypocritical On #Section230 https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210224/07521246308/att-appears-committed-to-being-comically-hypocritical-section-230.shtml
[00:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AT&T Appears Committed To Being Comically Hypocritical On Section 230 | Techdirt
[00:54]	techrights-bot	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148348 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[00:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[00:54]	MinceR	i didn't say this will kill us
[00:54]	techrights-bot	#IBM / #RedHat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148347 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[00:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
[00:54]	MinceR	just that it will stick with us until something does
[00:54]	techrights-bot	Videos//Shows: #KeyNav , #UbuntuDeepin 20.10 Review, David Revoy and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148346 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[00:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos//Shows: KeyNav, Ubuntu Deepin 20.10 Review, David Revoy and More | Tux Machines
[00:54]	MinceR	we have many means lined up to exterminate ourselves
[00:54]	MinceR	like race wars and religious wars
[00:55]	schestowitz__	see mass censorship
[00:55]	schestowitz__	youtube, fb, twitter, linked (MSFT)...
[00:55]	schestowitz__	a response to unrest
[00:55]	schestowitz__	the oligarchs panic a bit
[00:55]	schestowitz__	convincing people to reproduce less won't work
[00:55]	schestowitz__	as they are hypocritical
[00:56]	schestowitz__	so they weaponise the media and censorship online
[00:56]	schestowitz__	in some places more than in others
[00:59]	vmg3	yeah, the here and now is more than censorship
● Mar 03
[01:00]	vmg3	prime grazing land stolen and pushed into the desert 
[01:03]	techrights-bot	Buzzwords at #Mozilla https://ahal.ca/blog/2021/mozilla-devops/
[01:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ahal.ca | DevOps at Mozilla | Hunting the Shmoo
[01:03]	techrights-bot	#google releases new #malware disguised as a browser for the #www https://developer.chrome.com/blog/new-in-chrome-89/
[01:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.chrome.com | New in Chrome 89 - Chrome Developers
[01:06]	techrights-bot	"There is a new, small application available for Sparkers: Sparky System" https://sparkylinux.org/sparky-system/ #sparkylinux #debian #gnu #linux
[01:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sparkylinux.org | Sparky System SparkyLinux
[01:08]	techrights-bot	#RaspberryPi RP2040 boards are coming with... HDMI? https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/02/raspberry-pi-rp2040-boards-are-coming-with-hdmi/ also come with #microsoft #malware or #spyware now... http://techrights.org/2021/02/18/raspberry-pi-breaks-up-with-free-software-community/
[01:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Raspberry Pi RP2040 boards are coming with... HDMI?
[01:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Raspberry Pi Reaffirms Its Commitment to Microsoft (as Trojan Horse Inside Classrooms) and Abandons the Free Software Community | Techrights
[01:09]	techrights-bot	"No OS support was listed, but the FWS-2360 supports [GNU] Linux." http://linuxgizmos.com/net-appliance-boasts-four-10gbe-ports-and-up-to-three-wireless-links/
[01:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Net appliance boasts four 10GbE ports and up to three wireless links
[01:09]	techrights-bot	"The Jetson TX2 NX runs Linux" http://linuxgizmos.com/jetson-tx2-nx-module-offers-tx2-power-in-a-nano-footprint/
[01:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Jetson TX2 NX module offers TX2 power in a Nano footprint
[01:11]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #CommonDreams Report Finds #Biden Can Potentially Freeze Dozens of Trump's Last-Minute 'Egregious and Damaging' Rollbacks https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/01/report-finds-biden-can-potentially-freeze-dozens-trumps-last-minute-egregious-and
[01:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Report Finds Biden Can Potentially Freeze Dozens of Trump's Last-Minute 'Egregious and Damaging' Rollbacks | Common Dreams News
[01:12]	techrights-bot	#RNR Is A Terminal File Manager That Combines Features From Midnight Commander and Ranger http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148349 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | RNR Is A Terminal File Manager That Combines Features From Midnight Commander and Ranger | Tux Machines
[01:12]	techrights-bot	" #Xen 4.15 is in code freeze, and we cut RC1 yesterday. Please help us test it to make sure Xen 4.15 is a high quality release (and that it works well for your use cases!)" https://xenproject.org/2021/03/02/xen-4-15-rc1-please-test/
[01:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xenproject.org | Xen 4.15 RC1 - Please test - Xen Project
[01:14]	techrights-bot	#openwashing at #osi https://opensource.org/openaerospace
[01:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.org | Big Gains for Open Aerospace: Interview with Open Research Institute | Open Source Initiative
[01:15]	techrights-bot	This is misleading. #ONLYOFFICE is #ProprietarySoftware with an #openwashing edition https://www.linuxlinks.com/onlyoffice-docs-main-updates-quick-installation-guide-ubuntu/
[01:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ONLYOFFICE Docs 6.2: Main updates and a quick installation guide for Ubuntu - LinuxLinks
[01:17]	techrights-bot	"The latest "Smart Access Memory" work by the open-source #AMD #Radeon graphics driver stack is an option for the #RADV Vulkan driver" https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RADV-Option-Force-SAM
[01:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RADV Vulkan Driver Adds Option To Force Smart Access Memory Behavior - Phoronix
[01:18]	techrights-bot	#libreoffice "Toma Vajngerl was assigned to work on the tender, and has blogged about his progress. He discusses the point-and-click functionality to inspect selected objects in the document, and his next steps." https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/03/02/update-on-tender-for-a-built-in-uno-object-inspection-tool-in-libreoffice/
[01:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Update on tender for a built-in UNO object inspection tool in LibreOffice - The Document Foundation Blog
[01:21]	vmg3	small victory https://www.itnews.com.au/news/woolworths-pulls-pin-on-cashless-stores-trial-561677?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=iTnews+
[01:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itnews.com.au | Woolworths pulls pin on cashless stores trial - Finance - iTnews
[01:23]	schestowitz__	:-)
[01:23]	schestowitz__	good
[01:23]	schestowitz__	so-called 'cashless'
[01:23]	schestowitz__	now employ some clerks too
[01:23]	vmg3	money is the only thing they understand
[01:23]	schestowitz__	not of that 'self-checkout' BS
[01:23]	schestowitz__	give us back the service we once enjoyed
[01:23]	vmg3	that ship sailed
[01:24]	schestowitz__	we need to get people to protest and refuse to use these
[01:24]	DaemonFC[m]	Maybe 2 cashiers at Walmart now.
[01:24]	schestowitz__	yesterday at tesco they did a trick
[01:24]	schestowitz__	the teller stands next to the machine
[01:24]	schestowitz__	then you stand next to the real (manned) till
[01:24]	vmg3	i try to always use the people
[01:24]	schestowitz__	and only then he so kindly bothers to actually go there and offer service
[01:24]	schestowitz__	they pretend no such service exists
[01:25]	schestowitz__	until you stand there for like 10 seconds, as if "wellllll, I'm waaaaiting..."
[01:25]	vmg3	leave the basket full and walk out
[01:25]	schestowitz__	that's something we did once before
[01:25]	schestowitz__	but the situation was more extreme
[01:25]	schestowitz__	we were being serviced
[01:25]	schestowitz__	then comes 'store manager'
[01:25]	vmg3	yeah
[01:25]	schestowitz__	and say, no... stop doing that
[01:26]	schestowitz__	we left in protest with all the stuff in the basket
[01:26]	schestowitz__	and not before I lectures him a bit
[01:26]	schestowitz__	that store of his is now closed
[01:26]	schestowitz__	they didn't make it through covivd
[01:26]	vmg3	the few people they have left suffer
[01:26]	schestowitz__	serves them right...
[01:26]	schestowitz__	if enough people do this, we will win
[01:26]	vmg3	even the management are under the thumb
[01:26]	schestowitz__	not even causing a loud scene
[01:26]	schestowitz__	it's like a  sit-in
[01:27]	schestowitz__	for they refuse to offer basic services
[01:27]	schestowitz__	management of management
[01:27]	schestowitz__	it'll escalate 
[01:27]	vmg3	yep
[01:27]	schestowitz__	they'll hear about the "scenes"
[01:27]	schestowitz__	and then chance course
[01:27]	schestowitz__	another thing is, they don't bag it anymore
[01:27]	schestowitz__	even if you pay fior the bag
[01:27]	schestowitz__	or
[01:27]	schestowitz__	you have to be clever to get them to bag it
[01:27]	schestowitz__	body language
[01:28]	vmg3	they cant even have a conversation about things related to work
[01:28]	vmg3	so i push that 
[01:28]	schestowitz__	with covid they come up with new excuses to get you to do the work they used to do
[01:28]	CrystalMath	schestowitz__: okay, you convinced me, i will avoid those self-checkout things from now on
[01:28]	schestowitz__	I want to check the sums on the till to make sure they charge correctly
[01:28]	schestowitz__	not worry about what to put in which bag
[01:28]	CrystalMath	interestingly, here the self-checkout was closed during the lockdown :P
[01:28]	CrystalMath	but i didn't really think self-checkout is bad
[01:29]	schestowitz__	it's terrible on many levels
[01:29]	schestowitz__	they get the customers to become zero-salary employees
[01:29]	schestowitz__	this should be illegal
[01:29]	mjg59	This seems awfully off-topic
[01:29]	schestowitz__	but afaik nobody challenged this legally
[01:29]	mjg59	What happened to talking about software freedom
[01:29]	schestowitz__	mjg59: so are you
[01:29]	mjg59	True
[01:29]	schestowitz__	it's related
[01:29]	schestowitz__	tech versus labour rights
[01:30]	schestowitz__	we've even covered this in techrights
[01:30]	schestowitz__	if you want, I can give link
[01:30]	CrystalMath	mjg59: doesn't it relate to rights in a tech-rich society?
[01:30]	schestowitz__	it's also related to #WarOnCash
[01:30]	schestowitz__	surveillance etc.
[01:30]	vmg3	control
[01:30]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/2020/11/14/a-covid-cash-cow/
[01:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Inside the EPO During Corona: The EPOs Fat Cash Cow is Decreasing Salaries of Staff During a Public Crisis | Techrights
[01:31]	schestowitz__	they do this to EPO workers too
[01:31]	CrystalMath	schestowitz__: here the self-checkout supports cash and returns change
[01:31]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/2019/08/20/surveillance-war-on-cash/
[01:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The European Patent Office Increases Surveillance: Cant Get Food Without Being Spied on | Techrights
[01:31]	schestowitz__	see image at the top
[01:31]	schestowitz__	reasons to pay with cash
[01:31]	schestowitz__	I can't get tea in some places without giving my ID: http://techrights.org/2020/08/07/privacy-spun-as-public-health-hazard/
[01:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Our Collective Privacy is Under Unprecedented Attacks and Privacy is Now Conflated With Bad Hygiene, Not Just Criminality | Techrights
[01:32]	schestowitz__	what is this? TEA PASSPORTS?!
[01:32]	schestowitz__	vis a vis, lf is PROMOTING this agenda:  http://techrights.org/2021/02/09/no-shame-left/
[01:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Foundation of Shame | Techrights
[01:33]	schestowitz__	they not promote Gates Foundation agenda
[01:33]	schestowitz__	with Microsoft as contractor
[01:33]	schestowitz__	and "contact-tracing" (MASSIVE scam. Ask Australians) http://techrights.org/2020/07/21/stalin-dream/
[01:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Linux (or Linux Foundation) Rapidly Becoming Stalins Dream | Techrights
[01:33]	schestowitz__	just to answer the "it's off topic" BS
[01:34]	mjg59	These largely seem unrelated to self checkouts
[01:35]	CrystalMath	the thing that schestowitz__ probably means is that self-checkouts promote automation
[01:35]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | Factory Farms: New #EPA Emissions Data Should Guide #biden on #Agriculture and #Climate https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/03/01/factory-farms-new-epa-emissions-data-should-guide-biden-agriculture-and-climate
[01:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Factory Farms: New EPA Emissions Data Should Guide Biden on Agriculture and Climate
[01:35]	vmg3	precipitation to the ocean 
[01:35]	schestowitz__	'self-checkout' BS isn't even high-tech
[01:35]	CrystalMath	and that, as someone who quotes Ted Kaczynski, i at least should not do things to promote automation
[01:35]	schestowitz__	they could implement it in the 1970s
[01:35]	schestowitz__	1980s=touchscreens
[01:35]	CrystalMath	yeah, there could have been self-checkout machines
[01:36]	techrights-bot	Kernel Space: Xen 4.15 RC1, NTFS, "Severe Data Corruption Bug Hits Intel CI Systems" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148350 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel Space: Xen 4.15 RC1, NTFS, "Severe Data Corruption Bug Hits Intel CI Systems" | Tux Machines
[01:36]	CrystalMath	but back in the day, people had a more freedom-oriented mindset
[01:36]	CrystalMath	they would care about what happens to jobs
[01:36]	vmg3	unions were stronger, they've been undermined
[01:37]	techrights-ipfs	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.61   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.08 swarm size (avg): 118.67  
[01:37]	schestowitz__	[01:35] <CrystalMath> the thing that schestowitz__ probably means is that self-checkouts promote automation
[01:37]	schestowitz__	they don't, that's the thing
[01:37]	schestowitz__	they automate nothing
[01:37]	schestowitz__	they outsource the job to the client
[01:38]	schestowitz__	those machines do nothing
[01:38]	CrystalMath	hmm
[01:38]	CrystalMath	wait, yeah :P
[01:38]	schestowitz__	nothing that the teller wasn't doing
[01:38]	CrystalMath	but it still takes away jobs
[01:38]	schestowitz__	you enter the items and bad them like their staff used to
[01:39]	vmg3	driver-less vehicles the next frontier
[01:39]	schestowitz__	CrystalMath: then you wonder why amazon racks up money
[01:39]	schestowitz__	while its "employees" are like construction workers with "Telemetry" on them
[01:39]	schestowitz__	vmg3: so a bunch of wankers can do who knows what without the steering
[01:40]	schestowitz__	if you are in the car anyway, might as well watch where it goes
[01:40]	schestowitz__	and control it
[01:40]	schestowitz__	what are you going to do? Read a book?
[01:40]	vmg3	yep with no responsibility 
[01:40]	schestowitz__	many listen ro radio
[01:40]	schestowitz__	*to
[01:40]	CrystalMath	that's a total disaster
[01:40]	CrystalMath	imagine cars that won't drive you to protests
[01:40]	schestowitz__	you can even speak on hands-free while driving
[01:40]	schestowitz__	(not that I recommend it)
[01:40]	vmg3	only work for certain shops
[01:41]		*schestowitz__ hangs up on people, even family, if it turns out they drive
[01:41]	schestowitz__	"phone me later"
[01:41]	vmg3	scary
[01:42]	vmg3	These are the tip of the iceberg
[01:42]	CrystalMath	or cars that refuse to drive you to near the places of residence of "cancelled" people
[01:42]	CrystalMath	there's nothing good about driverless vehicles
[01:43]	CrystalMath	they're also unethical, as they make life-threatening decisions
[01:43]	schestowitz__	https://www.itwire.com/space/kleos-completes-satellite-development-milestone.html
[01:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Kleos completes satellite development milestone
[01:43]	schestowitz__	?? spammy??
[01:43]	schestowitz__	itwire going down the drain for a  while now
[01:44]	schestowitz__	CrystalMath: if they can enable social control "at scale", they will
[01:44]	schestowitz__	notice how many people and groups are being 'Cancelled" by social control media now
[01:44]	schestowitz__	one by one
[01:44]	schestowitz__	they start with "violence"
[01:44]	schestowitz__	then "intolerance"
[01:44]	schestowitz__	then "misinformation"
[01:44]	schestowitz__	which can extend to "inconvenient facts"
[01:45]	schestowitz__	e.g. http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/
[01:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights
[01:45]	vmg3	fatigue is the end result
[01:45]	schestowitz__	people will move away
[01:45]	schestowitz__	we need to accelerate the walkaway
[01:45]	schestowitz__	it's happening already
[01:46]	schestowitz__	https://lbry.tv/@Lunduke:e/ditching-youtube-the-smart-move:6
[01:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lbry.tv | Ditching YouTube: The Smart Move
[01:46]	schestowitz__	https://lbry.tv/@Lunduke:e/SocialMediaDeleted-OneMonthLater:e
[01:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lbry.tv | Social Media Deleted... One month later
[01:46]	schestowitz__	just to give one example
[01:46]	schestowitz__	I focus on our self-hosted video, gemini, ipfs etc.
[01:46]	schestowitz__	they're not controlled by some for-profit company
[01:46]	schestowitz__	and so they can thrive over the long run
[01:47]	schestowitz__	FSF is also self-hosting most things
[01:47]	schestowitz__	not all
[01:47]	schestowitz__	and it seems like they'll quit Twitter
[01:47]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/2021/02/26/fsf-against-using-twitter/
[01:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Free Software Foundation Warns Against Using Twitter | Techrights
[01:48]	schestowitz__	it hurts at first
[01:48]	schestowitz__	'hurts'
[01:48]	vmg3	I can attest to that
[01:48]	schestowitz__	because you come to think of presence 'on-line' as some fictional number somewhere else
[01:48]	schestowitz__	like,
[01:49]	schestowitz__	"my number of friends is what a private database of Mark "dumb fucks" Zuckerberg says it is"
[01:49]	schestowitz__	but later you can look back and relise
[01:49]	schestowitz__	"hey, those were a waste of time and not real friends"
[01:50]	schestowitz__	I can have wine with my mates instead of pressing "like" so that they will "like" mine too, to help me fake my popularity/importance
[01:50]	vmg3	I feel like carving my name in a rock face for prosperity 
[01:51]	schestowitz__	IRC does not have this "like" BS
[01:51]	schestowitz__	or "list of followers"
[01:52]	schestowitz__	those are waste of time pseudo 'features'
[01:52]	schestowitz__	using envy for peer pressure
[01:52]	schestowitz__	"what if my friends saw I have just "4 friends" on OME_SITE"
[01:52]	vmg3	shame
[01:52]	schestowitz__	class insecurity weaponised to farm people's minds and social graphs"
[01:56]	schestowitz__	can't wait for all those sites to shut down
[01:56]	schestowitz__	leaving people in post-hoc realisations
[01:56]	schestowitz__	they wasted their time making fake 'friends'
[01:56]	schestowitz__	whom they never met
[01:57]	schestowitz__	and were left with no real friends who can offer real consolation
[01:57]	techrights-bot	#RebornOS 2021.03.02 is out. https://rebornos.org/ based on #archlinux and with #gnome desktop. #gnu #linux
[01:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rebornos.org | Features - RebornOS
[01:58]	vmg3	Partitioning for society, are we the swap or the unused?
[01:58]	techrights-bot	Oh. Wow. The "smart" #surveillance industry looks for new fools to give away lots of data to insurance companies and "Data brokers" (thieves) https://www.iottechtrends.com/gatorade-releases-gx-sweat-patch-wearable-monitor-hydration/
[01:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iottechtrends.com | Gatorade Releases Gx Sweat Patch Wearable to Monitor Hydration - IoT Tech Trends
● Mar 03
[02:00]	techrights-bot	Devices: #Jetson , Aaeon, #RaspberryPi http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148353 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[02:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices: Jetson, Aaeon, Raspberry Pi | Tux Machines
[02:00]	schestowitz__	vmg3: how many "likes" did Peter get for returning your wallet?
[02:01]	vmg3	all of them
[02:01]	techrights-bot	WWW: #Chrome 89 and DevOps at #Mozilla http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148352 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[02:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WWW: Chrome 89 and DevOps at Mozilla | Tux Machines
[02:01]	vmg3	but he refuse me
[02:01]	schestowitz__	now he can cash in the "likes"
[02:01]	schestowitz__	and buy something nice
[02:01]	techrights-bot	CMS: Kiwi #TCMS 10.0 and #KiwiTCMS / #WordPress 5.7 Release Candidate 2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148351 #TuxMachines
[02:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CMS: Kiwi TCMS 10.0 and WordPress 5.7 Release Candidate 2 | Tux Machines
[02:01]	vmg3	words proved to be empty
[02:02]	schestowitz__	samaritans
[02:02]	schestowitz__	ego culture is bad
[02:02]	vmg3	my own 
[02:02]	schestowitz__	social control media rewards for it
[02:02]	vmg3	my own ego was the problem
[02:02]	schestowitz__	vmg3: if you see him again take him out somewhere, offering money is not what they want
[02:02]	schestowitz__	but recognition that they're good people
[02:03]	vmg3	yes
[02:03]	schestowitz__	if they wanted the money, they'd keep the wallet
[02:03]	schestowitz__	BTW
[02:03]	schestowitz__	OT:
[02:03]	schestowitz__	I worry about youtube
[02:03]	schestowitz__	I saw people here in Manchester in there
[02:03]	vmg3	a good look in the eye and a handshake with some conversation about real life
[02:03]	schestowitz__	being nasty
[02:03]	schestowitz__	making scenes
[02:03]	schestowitz__	provoking people
[02:03]	schestowitz__	to make their videos "interesting"
[02:04]	schestowitz__	they make people upset
[02:04]	schestowitz__	calling people names
[02:04]	schestowitz__	and then upload that
[02:04]	schestowitz__	usually out of context, too
[02:04]	schestowitz__	to demonise fellow citizens
[02:04]	schestowitz__	social control media is a disease
[02:04]	vmg3	I was watching RW media on twitch on the 6th jan and it was the same
[02:04]	schestowitz__	"jackass"
[02:04]	schestowitz__	but ...
[02:04]	schestowitz__	to be fair
[02:05]	schestowitz__	they did not become nasty to people
[02:05]	schestowitz__	except maybe when they put poop in the food in the restaurant to troll the waitress
[02:05]	schestowitz__	that was a bit too far 
[02:05]	vmg3	provocation for a response is not new
[02:05]	schestowitz__	trolling the  already oppressed
[02:05]	schestowitz__	vmg3: but now they do it for videos
[02:05]	schestowitz__	to cause a scene
[02:05]	vmg3	yes
[02:05]	vmg3	for likes
[02:05]	schestowitz__	we need to develop immunity to that
[02:06]	schestowitz__	like lashing out at them
[02:06]	schestowitz__	and calling for response
[02:06]	schestowitz__	let them go "viral" for being huge assholes
[02:06]	schestowitz__	and then they'll stop doing it
[02:06]	vmg3	but but we are programmed to
[02:07]	schestowitz__	Like the radio show that trolled a real nurse
[02:07]	schestowitz__	until she killed herself
[02:07]	schestowitz__	"For the lols"
[02:07]	vmg3	by people that should have known better
[02:07]	schestowitz__	or "hold your wee/pee for a wii"
[02:07]	schestowitz__	many more examples like that
[02:08]	schestowitz__	that's even "mainstream" radio
[02:08]	schestowitz__	I forgot some of the other examples
[02:08]	vmg3	then the cycle moves on and nobody cares
[02:08]	vmg3	or so it seems
[02:08]	DaemonFC[m]	Didn't that woman die from not peeing?
[02:09]	vmg3	may as well have been
[02:09]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: she did
[02:10]	schestowitz__	that was like, what? 13 years ago?
[02:10]	schestowitz__	games of physical endurance
[02:10]	schestowitz__	internal organs like bladder
[02:10]	schestowitz__	there's a reason the body tells you to urinate
[02:10]	schestowitz__	they use cash payments or bribes to tell you to resist your natural defenses
[02:10]	schestowitz__	like waterboarding for cash(tm)
[02:11]	vmg3	jackass sums it up
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[02:12]	DaemonFC[m]	It says she died from drinking too much water and her fellow contestants had PTSD symptoms.
[02:12]	DaemonFC[m]	I just have a water jug that tells me how much to drink that day.
[02:13]	DaemonFC[m]	It seems easier.
[02:13]	vmg3	i just film what the people want to see
[02:13]	DaemonFC[m]	Enough to avoid dehydration and kidney stones.
[02:13]	techrights-bot	"It's our worst idea yet. We share the password to our brand-new server and see who can own the box first. Whoever wins gets a special prize." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/144382/the-waybig-machine-linux-unplugged-395/
[02:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | The Waybig Machine | LINUX Unplugged 395 | Jupiter Broadcasting
[02:14]	techrights-bot	" #Openbox has always been my favorite floating window manager. It holds a special place in my heart due it being the first window manager that I used when I switched to Linux. And I still find it so darn comfy to use!" I used it for ~3 years on old laptop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oglAGpAFbA4
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[02:15]	techrights-bot	Valve brings Steam Link app to #GNU #Linux , adds more togetherness http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148341#comment-28485
[02:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Steam Link Is Now Available on Linux to Stream Your Steam Games on Any Device | Tux Machines
[02:16]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: I didn't know about "fellow contestants"
[02:16]	schestowitz__	I was under the impression it was a one-off one-person thing
[02:16]	schestowitz__	iirc, she had young kids
[02:17]	schestowitz__	little orphaned kids have the "entertainment" industry to thank... mommy ain't coming back cause she wanted to get them some japanese made-in-china piece of plastic
[02:18]	techrights-bot	ABI checking http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148354 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #programming #kde
[02:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ABI checking | Tux Machines
[02:27]	techrights-bot	Links 3/3/2021: #IPFire 2.25 Core Update 154, #RedHat Satellite 6.8.4, #KiwiTCMS 10.0 http://techrights.org/2021/03/02/kiwi-tcms-10-0/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/02/kiwi-tcms-10-0/
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[02:28]	techrights-bot	Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148356 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[02:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[02:28]	techrights-bot	#ProprietarySoftware on GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148355 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[02:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software on GNU/Linux | Tux Machines
[02:29]	techrights-bot	#HowTo write a function in #gnu bash https://www.xmodulo.com/write-bash-function.html #xmodulo | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/03/#latest
[02:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xmodulo.com | How to write a function in bash
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[02:36]	techrights-bot	I think people need to either get "off youtube" or stop contributing to it (videos, comments; sometimes it's harder to avoid giving it "views" because so much of the Web's video is there)
[02:37]	techrights-ipfs	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.61   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.08 swarm size (avg): 118.49  
[02:39]	techrights-bot	"I heard of the wonderful Gemini protocol a while ago, and I've decided to put my blog on Geminispace!" Let's try to get #gnu and #fsf on #geminispace also. They would be MAJOR gains. https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005855.html
[02:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [user] Putting my blog on gemini, question about subdomains
[02:40]	techrights-bot	"Gemini attempts to follow Antoine de Saint-Exupry's dictum: design is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005852.html
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[02:43]	schestowitz__	https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005748.html
[02:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [spec] Certificate trust
[02:43]	schestowitz__	"Im failing to see how TOFU can provide any security, especially if there is no way to announce a renewal by sending both new and old cert or something, there is a MITM possibility at each renewal. The only TOFU example Ive seen cited is openssh, which seems offtopic because you usually do not ssh into random machine on the internet by following links like you do with Gemini."
[02:43]	schestowitz__	Oh, yeah... let's just CENTRALISE "trust"...
[02:44]	techrights-bot	There is now a #Mastodon proxy for Gemini! This is awesome!! #geminispace #internet https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005746.html
[02:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Mastodon proxy for Gemini
[02:48]	techrights-bot	#geminispace is not so "niche"; 139 unique hosts connected to #techrights #gemini server since Monday. That's growing over time. Maybe by year's end there can be millions of Gemini users? Not unthinkable. The momentum is certainly there.
[02:52]	techrights-bot	Many dozens of new #gemini capsules ('sites') are added each week, so maybe hundreds if not almost a thousand per month gemini://geminispace.info/newest-hosts
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[02:57]	vmg3	peeling off the little guy https://www.politico.eu/article/4-takeaways-facebook-australia-brawl/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=RSS_Syndication
[02:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politico.eu | 4 takeaways from Facebooks Australian brawl POLITICO
● Mar 03
[03:00]	schestowitz__	boycott FB
[03:00]	schestowitz__	then most of the problem goes away
[03:00]	schestowitz__	but
[03:00]	schestowitz__	to achieve this we need to educate users
[03:00]	schestowitz__	and create resistance to it
[03:00]	vmg3	I quit years ago
[03:00]	swaggboi	in a lot of developing countries, FB == internet
[03:00]	schestowitz__	e.g. the stigma that people who upload to FB are traitors to privacy of people around them
[03:00]	vmg3	yeah 
[03:01]	schestowitz__	and useful idiots of Zuck
[03:01]	schestowitz__	swaggboi: with zero-rating contributing to that
[03:01]	schestowitz__	they want to have drones for Internet access
[03:01]	techrights-ipfs	IPFS local node stats      TotalIn: 9.3 MB      TotalOut: 3.4 MB
[03:01]	techrights-ipfs	New bulletin just generated and added to IPFS with CID:
[03:01]	schestowitz__	just to keep them 'hooked'
[03:01]	schestowitz__	"I stopped harvesting crops"
[03:02]	schestowitz__	"to connect on my "Smart" Phone to check how many "likes" I have"
[03:02]	techrights-ipfs	Qmf4okseUL3sX9QU1gV324WnMKDmVEvoX2vboMhRWAVa9A
[03:02]	schestowitz__	OK, IPFS still running OK
[03:02]	schestowitz__	we need more people to pin our CIDs though
[03:02]	schestowitz__	for when our node is down
[03:02]	swaggboi	yes the same minds that make casinos and gambling addicting have influence those that design the UI of sites like facebook. it's designed to be addictive or as they'd call it, "engaing"
[03:02]	schestowitz__	I am checking atm what else we can add to gemini
[03:03]	swaggboi	also I've missed you on fediverse schestowitz__ , do you plan on returning?
[03:03]	schestowitz__	the html files are pointless, serving html over gemini is not the way to go 
[03:03]	schestowitz__	though it is doable already e.g. gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-010321.html
[03:03]	schestowitz__	all the files are already there in gemini, as html..
[03:03]	schestowitz__	swaggboi: no, I lost 3 accounts there already
[03:04]	schestowitz__	strike 3, you're out, fediverse
[03:04]	schestowitz__	it's only as persistent as the host site/domain/server
[03:04]	schestowitz__	the last two shut down, probably for financial reasons alone
[03:04]	swaggboi	haha funny... I'm on my 3rd instance myself
[03:04]	swaggboi	first two shut down
[03:04]	schestowitz__	see?
[03:04]	schestowitz__	wait till that too shuts down
[03:04]	schestowitz__	then they'll tell you "RUN YOUR OWN"
[03:04]	schestowitz__	for one user!
[03:04]	swaggboi	yeah it's a bummer cuz it makes people flock to the same bigger instances which IMO defeats the purpose of "decentralized"
[03:05]	schestowitz__	Ariadne is working on a simple, database-less client for fediverse/activitypub
[03:05]	schestowitz__	maybe with that I can come back
[03:05]	swaggboi	I do still enjoy the fediverse tho, I hope my new instance doesn't go away
[03:05]	schestowitz__	and now build back my data from 0 again, just to start again from 0 a year or two later
[03:05]	schestowitz__	swaggboi: just choose a BIG instance :-);
[03:05]	schestowitz__	like Twitter
[03:05]	swaggboi	cool yeah I hope you do, enjoyed your posts. I still check out techrights.org
[03:05]	schestowitz__	"choose big"
[03:06]	schestowitz__	"nobody gets fired for choosing monopoly'
[03:06]	swaggboi	haha from what I hear, twitter claims they're inventing the decentralized twitter
[03:06]	schestowitz__	mastodon.social etc
[03:06]	schestowitz__	yeah
[03:06]	schestowitz__	"Facebook is privacy"
[03:07]	schestowitz__	https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2019-03-07/the-future-of-facebook-is-privacy-video
[03:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
[03:07]	schestowitz__	https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-zuckerberg-idUSKCN1QN2JR
[03:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Zuckerberg says Facebook's future is going big on private chats | Reuters
[03:07]	schestowitz__	Microsoft is green...
[03:07]	schestowitz__	Bezos and Gates are "charity"
[03:08]	schestowitz__	Twitter is dying
[03:08]	schestowitz__	so it's trying to come up with assurances for shareholders
[03:08]	schestowitz__	and ways to squeeze out income
[03:08]	schestowitz__	they lost money almost their whole existence
[03:08]	schestowitz__	and attempts to draw blood from a rock... ads and API deprecation killed off much of their userbase of years back
[03:09]	schestowitz__	they see the numbers down
[03:09]	schestowitz__	they see "conspiracy theory" everywhere now
[03:09]	schestowitz__	to usher in advertisers
[03:09]	schestowitz__	until the advertisers realise the target audience there is small
[03:09]	schestowitz__	and then they walk away
[03:09]	schestowitz__	and Twitter dies
[03:09]	schestowitz__	Even Jack Dorsey has moved on
[03:10]	schestowitz__	Twitter thinks the problem was that it had "too many" users
[03:10]	schestowitz__	"troll farms"
[03:10]	schestowitz__	"misinformation"
[03:10]	schestowitz__	which is partly true
[03:10]	schestowitz__	because this whole modality iw wrong
[03:11]	schestowitz__	it's a pool of garbage
[03:11]	schestowitz__	mixed with a little signal somewhere in between
[03:11]	schestowitz__	wherein they are "verified" tick
[03:11]	schestowitz__	what good are those accounts if they lack the actual audience
[03:11]	schestowitz__	FB is another matter
[03:11]	schestowitz__	FB buys people's private comms
[03:11]	schestowitz__	not public "tweets"
[03:12]	schestowitz__	and then sells access
[03:12]	schestowitz__	like whatsapp
[03:12]	schestowitz__	convert chats to data-mined espionage/dirt/exploitation opportunity
[03:12]	schestowitz__	and then sell off dossiers like a data broker
[03:12]	schestowitz__	that's why fb is still miles worse
[03:12]	schestowitz__	twitter tried reinventing itself that way
[03:13]	schestowitz__	in stats panel it started showing things like, "what foods" your followers buy
[03:13]	schestowitz__	which means they pass around purchasing data ... unrelated to Twitter itself
[03:13]	vmg3	the tipping point can't be far away, fingers crossed
[03:13]	DaemonFC[m]	It doesn't seem like a good idea to wait for a natural COVID infection to gain immunity.
[03:13]	DaemonFC[m]	Not only due to the damage, but because of the fact that it may only leave you with as much or less immunity than a vaccine.
[03:13]	DaemonFC[m]	Even if that lasts a few years, there's no telling whether mutant strains will evade natural immunity as well as they do vaccine induced, so you could just get as sick again.
[03:13]	schestowitz__	then they demand people give their mobile phone nunbers
[03:13]	schestowitz__	strictly mobile
[03:13]	schestowitz__	in recent years
[03:13]	schestowitz__	landline not accepted anymore
[03:14]	schestowitz__	so they can link their account to others... surveillance capitalism
[03:14]	schestowitz__	"give us your mobile... of you re perpetually suspended"
[03:14]	DaemonFC[m]	They're talking about new variants that evade antibodies left behind by vaccines..but they could just as easily evade antibodies to the actual virus.
[03:14]	schestowitz__	no mobile? no access! We cannot MONETISE you
[03:15]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: on the upside, it's killing nowhere as many as past plagues
[03:15]	schestowitz__	I just distance myself for now
[03:15]	DaemonFC[m]	Checked in with cdc site again. Feeling totally normal again.
[03:15]	schestowitz__	we don't even know what's effective and under what circumstances and what "variants" or "strains" it is useful for
[03:15]	schestowitz__	if this becomes an annual shot, it means they don't actually solve the issue
[03:16]	DaemonFC[m]	It seems the mRNA vaccines hold up better than the Adenovirus based ones.
[03:16]	schestowitz__	did you try both?
[03:16]	DaemonFC[m]	They're saying 89% effective against the South Africa variant, which is confirmed to be in Illinois now.
[03:16]	schestowitz__	neither you nor I are experts
[03:16]	schestowitz__	the media is full of PR spam
[03:16]	schestowitz__	who's they?
[03:16]	schestowitz__	the media?
[03:16]	schestowitz__	The firms?
[03:17]	schestowitz__	let's get back to tech
[03:17]	schestowitz__	you keep changing the topic
[03:17]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, the firm's testing in South Africa.
[03:17]	schestowitz__	useless
[03:17]	schestowitz__	marketing
[03:17]	schestowitz__	maybe true
[03:17]	schestowitz__	maybe not
[03:17]	schestowitz__	but not credible
[03:17]	schestowitz__	they are legally obliged to enrich shareholders
[03:17]	schestowitz__	not to solve these issues
[03:17]	DaemonFC[m]	With a shot. We have all the variants swirling around in Illinois now.
[03:17]	schestowitz__	---
[03:17]	schestowitz__	back on topic..
[03:18]	schestowitz__	so anyway, about Twitter
[03:18]	schestowitz__	I thought about deleting my account last year
[03:18]	DaemonFC[m]	Sooner or later they're going to find an AIDS or immunosuppressed patient and throw a nice party.
[03:18]	schestowitz__	main downside would be, loss of all references (URLs) to past "tweets"
[03:18]	schestowitz__	many people feel the same way
[03:18]	schestowitz__	they think of those third party accounts as a status thing
[03:18]	DaemonFC[m]	Move tweets over and backdate them? Can you do that on Mastodon?
[03:19]	schestowitz__	I recently removed many of those "Social" things from the sites (mine, techrights, more...
[03:19]	schestowitz__	schestowitz.com doesn't advertise this social control media thing 
[03:19]	schestowitz__	too transient
[03:19]	schestowitz__	anyway, in December I downloaded all my "tweets"
[03:19]	schestowitz__	inc. replies
[03:19]	schestowitz__	and uploads
[03:19]	schestowitz__	as I foresaw Twitter cracking down on the anti-corporate corruption left
[03:20]	schestowitz__	as happens now
[03:20]	DaemonFC[m]	The people next door are throwing a loud party. Betcha COVID happens sooner or later in our apartment building if nothing else.
[03:20]	schestowitz__	Twitter works for GSK et al now
[03:20]	schestowitz__	they're the biggest advertisers
[03:20]	schestowitz__	Microsoft is also one big advertisers
[03:20]	schestowitz__	*advertiser
[03:20]	schestowitz__	maybe part of the implicit deal is, pay us for ads, we'll silence your critics
[03:20]	schestowitz__	"by algo"
[03:20]	schestowitz__	"hey hi!"
[03:21]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: but you got the shot
[03:21]	schestowitz__	:-)
[03:21]	schestowitz__	what do you care?
[03:21]	schestowitz__	unless...
[03:21]	schestowitz__	much of it seems like box-ticking exercise
[03:21]	schestowitz__	binary
[03:21]	schestowitz__	"got vaccinated"
[03:21]	schestowitz__	who by?
[03:21]	schestowitz__	doesn't matter
[03:21]	schestowitz__	china, russia, uk, us
[03:21]	schestowitz__	"got vaccinated"
[03:22]	schestowitz__	box ticked
[03:22]	schestowitz__	done
[03:23]	schestowitz__	https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2021/01/israel-oecd-pfizer-benjamin-netanyahu-coronavirus-vaccine.html
[03:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Privacy concerns mar Israeli deal with Pfizer - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
[03:24]	schestowitz__	"Cabinet meetings dealing with pandemics remain secret for 30 years" https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/covid-israel-netanyahu-congratulates-himself-vaccine-success-failures
[03:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.middleeasteye.net | Covid-19: Netanyahu basks in vaccine success as Israelis suffer his pandemic failures | Middle East Eye
[03:24]	schestowitz__	Nukes and Pfizer
[03:24]	schestowitz__	TOP secret, classified
[03:24]	schestowitz__	This one is good for the lols https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/pfizer-ceo-albert-bourla-calls-israel-worlds-lab-in-interview-to-nbc-660349
[03:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jpost.com | Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla calls Israel 'world's lab' in interview to NBC - The Jerusalem Post
[03:24]	schestowitz__	LAB
[03:24]	schestowitz__	nice compliment
[03:24]	schestowitz__	they used to call Gaza a "LAB"
[03:25]	DaemonFC[m]	<schestowitz__ "what do you care?"> Makes no difference to me.
[03:25]	schestowitz__	in which to test new atrocious weapons
[03:25]	DaemonFC[m]	Maybe they'll be quieter when they get it.
[03:25]	DaemonFC[m]	I want to live.
[03:28]	DaemonFC[m]	I just hope they don't manage to infect me until I become immune.
[03:29]	DaemonFC[m]	It takes 44 days from the first shot to far enough after the second.
[03:29]	DaemonFC[m]	That's still a big window.
[03:29]	DaemonFC[m]	Gotta keep your head down or you could get COVID as you wait for the vaccines to kick in.
[03:29]	schestowitz__	ok, back to tech
[03:29]	schestowitz__	enough of covid OT stuff
[03:29]	schestowitz__	we're not even experts
[03:30]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: do you have a twitter account?
[03:30]	schestowitz__	You used to have at least one
[03:30]	schestowitz__	also wordpress.com
[03:30]	DaemonFC[m]	I've heard crazy theories about COVID like it might be a germ weapon. It would make a lousy one.
[03:30]	DaemonFC[m]	Oh, I do but it's mostly to view stuff.
[03:30]	schestowitz__	prince something...
[03:30]	schestowitz__	why did you take down a blog you don't even pay for anyway?
[03:30]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: we don't talk covid
[03:30]	schestowitz__	done
[03:30]	schestowitz__	back on topic
[03:30]	DaemonFC[m]	That is a good question.
[03:31]	DaemonFC[m]	I was thinking about going back to it.
[03:31]	techrights-bot	Public Like Comment
[03:33]	schestowitz__	which one, DaemonFC[m]?
[03:33]	schestowitz__	wordpress.com can be at least exported?
[03:34]	schestowitz__	Also, you can have your own domain for it
[03:34]	schestowitz__	iirc, blogspot is the same
[03:34]	vmg3	It's tech I swear https://phys.org/news/2021-03-materials-science-approach-combating-coronavirus.html
[03:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phys.org | A materials science approach to combating coronavirus
[03:34]	schestowitz__	so in theory if the centralised service shuts down you get to keep your domain and can import the data to a different host
[03:34]	schestowitz__	vmg3: tech and from experts
[03:35]	schestowitz__	unlike armchair 'experts'
[03:35]	vmg3	Researchers at Tokyo Institute of Technology 
[03:35]	schestowitz__	which is why it's better not to talk about covid here, it's not our domain
[03:36]	vmg3	more an observation on material suppression 
[03:36]	DaemonFC[m]	I wouldn't use Twitter too much. They do not want you to have your own data.
[03:37]	techrights-bot	Is it OK to say that (still) the biggest issue of our time is nuclear weapons and not COVID-19?
[03:37]	vmg3	agreed
[03:38]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: it's all centralised 
[03:38]	techrights-ipfs	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.38   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 15.76 swarm size (avg): 118.60  
[03:38]	schestowitz__	and if you download 'your' Twitter data there's not much you can do with it
[03:38]	schestowitz__	except maybe upload the HTML as static to some webspaxce
[03:38]	schestowitz__	you cannot post/update it
[03:38]	schestowitz__	it's just a static archive
[03:39]	schestowitz__	The older format
[03:39]	schestowitz__	http://schestowitz.com/tweets/
[03:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Your Twitter archive
[03:39]	schestowitz__	warning:
[03:39]	schestowitz__	heavy paGE
[03:39]	schestowitz__	even with vastly fewer tweets it takes ages and lots of RAM to just load
[03:39]	schestowitz__	and to search
[03:39]	schestowitz__	this is bad design
[03:40]	schestowitz__	I did not test much the archive I downloaded in December
[03:40]	schestowitz__	it's 6GB compressed
[03:41]	schestowitz__	brb coffee
[03:49]	techrights-bot	Looking for #gemtext converters for #mediawiki as it would help #techrights expand on #geminispace If nobody already wrote one, maybe I will...
[03:50]	techrights-bot	#freesw (GPL) rekindling the past https://kotaku.com/ps2-emulation-gets-even-nicer-with-custom-textures-1846394102
[03:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kotaku.com | PS2 Emulation Gets Even Nicer With Custom Textures
[03:53]	techrights-bot	Absolute64-20210302 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148357 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[03:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Absolute64-20210302 released | Tux Machines
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[04:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives
[04:09]	techrights-bot	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[04:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index
[04:14]	vmg3	Australia the so called lucky country,  Has anyone else noticed an up-tic in the poor and destitute on social media?  begging with paypal or crypto, do we walk past it like a bum on the street or worse?  not a question more a statement on where we are with foodbanks and charity.  another nail in humanities coffin? people make jokes and offer benign comments, or I make comment or seek analysis in safety, Am I part of the problem. https://www.reddit.com/r/a
[04:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.reddit.com/r/a )
[04:14]	vmg3	ustralia/comments/lwj7gu/i_am_beginning_to_understand_why_the_suicide_rate/  
[04:16]	vmg3	https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/lwj7gu/i_am_beginning_to_understand_why_the_suicide_rate/
[04:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | I am beginning to understand why the suicide rate for 40-50 year old males is so high : australia
[04:21]	DaemonFC[m]	40 to 50 is an odd part of life.
[04:22]	DaemonFC[m]	Too old for many to want to hire. Too late to start over. Not old enough for pension.
[04:22]	vmg3	yes it is 
[04:22]	vmg3	i'm lucky to be past it
[04:22]	vmg3	but I feel his pain
[04:22]	DaemonFC[m]	I'm coming up on 40 in a few more years.
[04:23]	DaemonFC[m]	I hear tech workers have it the worst.
[04:23]	vmg3	On twitter it was pretty bad
[04:23]	vmg3	then it brought out my cynical side
[04:24]	DaemonFC[m]	I can't imagine how Twitter is a major company. It's just microblogging.
[04:24]	vmg3	Palestinian mothers with starving kids in a camp with photos can be confronting
[04:25]	DaemonFC[m]	https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/such-an-amazing-kid-oak-lawn-h-s-mourns-senior-who-died-of-covid-19/
[04:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Such an amazing kid: Oak Lawn H.S. mourns senior who died of COVID-19 | WGN-TV
[04:25]	vmg3	whats left when we run out of empathy?
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[04:31]	schestowitz__	my blinkt stopped working https://blog.pimoroni.com/blinkt/
[04:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.pimoroni.com | Blinkt!
[04:31]	schestowitz__	not sure if a reboot would do anything to correct this
[04:32]	schestowitz__	last night I noticed the lights getting a tad odd
[04:32]	schestowitz__	and now the pi's red power indicator is off as well
[04:32]	schestowitz__	so maybe a system reboot would fix it, but it  would reveal nothing about underlying causes
[04:32]	schestowitz__	syslog says nothing
[04:33]	vmg3	dry joint? 
[04:34]	schestowitz__	why would main power light and HAT's lights stop working around same time?
[04:34]	schestowitz__	they worked last night, sort of
[04:34]	schestowitz__	dmesg shows nothing, either
[04:35]	vmg3	0 or 1
[04:36]	schestowitz__	this never happened before
[04:37]	schestowitz__	maybe one controller for all lighter
[04:38]	techrights-ipfs	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.51   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.95 swarm size (avg): 118.86  
[04:38]	vmg3	did you kick it?
[04:40]	vmg3	point of failure shouldn't be to hard to find, sounds hw
[04:41]	vmg3	either way you know you need to reset
[04:41]	schestowitz__	lightdm had crashed
[04:41]	schestowitz__	but it's not related to lights
[04:41]	schestowitz__	just a lightweight desktop manager
[04:42]	schestowitz__	vmg3: I'd rather find out what causes it, a reset would hide the cause in case it happens again in the future
[04:43]	vmg3	if logs revel nothing your in for some fun with some meters
[04:43]	schestowitz__	bthelper[11805]: Can't init device hci0: Operation not possible due to RF-kill (132)
[04:45]	vmg3	whats it worth?  
[04:46]	vmg3	sounds like hci0 problem, USB?
[04:49]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #EclecticLightCompany #ProprietarySoftware Last Week on My Mac: Users are losing out against Big Surs sealed System https://eclecticlight.co/2021/02/28/last-week-on-my-mac-users-are-losing-out-against-big-surs-sealed-system/
[04:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eclecticlight.co | Last Week on My Mac: Users are losing out against Big Surs sealed System The Eclectic Light Company
[04:49]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #Reason #ProprietarySoftware How long before grid attacks become the new normal? https://reason.com/volokh/2021/03/01/how-long-before-grid-attacks-become-the-new-normal/
[04:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How long before grid attacks become the new normal? Reason.com
[04:51]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #AssociatedPress #Privacy #Surveillance Judge approves $650M #Facebook privacy lawsuit settlement https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-san-francisco-chicago-lawsuits-af6b42212e43be1b63b5c290eb5bfd85
[04:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apnews.com | Judge approves $650M Facebook privacy lawsuit settlement
[04:51]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #ChicagoTribune #Privacy #Surveillance #Facebook #privacy settlement approved: Nearly 1.6 million Illinois users will expeditiously get at least $345 https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-facebook-privacy-settlement-approval-20210227-okljqhsiargl7ijvzzfcotpyby-story.html
[04:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chicagotribune.com | Facebook privacy settlement: 1.6M Illinois users will expeditiously get at least $345 - Chicago Tribune
[04:53]	vmg3	hcitool scan?
[04:54]	vmg3	hciconfig hci0 reset
[04:55]	schestowitz__	it's to do with bluetooth it seems
[04:55]	schestowitz__	not related to the problem I am having
[04:56]	vmg3	more than one issue
[04:57]	vmg3	I hate bluetooth
[04:57]	schestowitz__	waste of chips/transistors
[04:57]	vmg3	dmsg | grep >something<
[04:58]	schestowitz__	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bluetooth_protocols#HCI
[04:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of Bluetooth protocols - Wikipedia
[04:58]	schestowitz__	Can't init device hci0: Operation not possible due to RF-kill (132)
[04:58]	schestowitz__	it is acting as though all is well, but lights never light up
[04:58]	schestowitz__	I noticed the issue last night
[04:59]	schestowitz__	thought I'd ignore it and it would just go away
[04:59]	vmg3	I destroy more than I fix
[04:59]	schestowitz__	I'll try to reboot it
[04:59]	schestowitz__	gemini to be offline for a bit
[04:59]	vmg3	yeah gl
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[05:08]	schestowitz__	Same issues after reboot
[05:08]	vmg3	is it a cheap dongle?
[05:09]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #Gannett #socialcontrolmedia #cesspool Twitter ups efforts to stop misinformation, labeling falsehoods related to COVID-19 vaccine https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/03/01/twitter-label-tweets-may-contain-misleading-info-related-covid-19-vaccines/6875857002/
[05:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Twitter to label tweets that may mislead about COVID-19 vaccines
[05:10]	vmg3	lsusb -v  ?
[05:10]	vmg3	hciconfig hci0 up    
[05:12]	schestowitz__	I don't have access to that device
[05:12]	schestowitz__	even as root
[05:12]	schestowitz__	anyway, it seems unrelated
[05:12]	schestowitz__	maybe the HAT is just fried
[05:12]	schestowitz__	I saw odd light on it last night
[05:12]	schestowitz__	ignored it
[05:13]	vmg3	weird 
[05:13]	schestowitz__	No clues online https://forums.pimoroni.com/t/blinkt-not-working/4797/6 https://forums.pimoroni.com/t/blinkt-not-working/6745/21
[05:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.pimoroni.com | BLINKT! Not Working - #6 by gadgetoid - Support - Pimoroni Buccaneers
[05:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.pimoroni.com | Blinkt not working - #21 by sdporzio - Support - Pimoroni Buccaneers
[05:14]	schestowitz__	let me check the physical connections
[05:14]	vmg3	:o
[05:15]	schestowitz__	oh
[05:15]	schestowitz__	now I see what the problem is
[05:15]	schestowitz__	wife must have moved it a bit
[05:15]	schestowitz__	it's loose
[05:15]	vmg3	we all have these moments 
[05:16]	schestowitz__	need to power if off to reattach safely
[05:17]	schestowitz__	lessons learned
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[05:17]	schestowitz__	check physically before doing the s/w level checks
[05:17]	schestowitz__	anyhow
[05:17]	schestowitz__	upsides:
[05:17]	schestowitz__	learned some new things about the pi
[05:17]	schestowitz__	saw broken services
[05:18]	schestowitz__	ensured it restores agate/gemini for first time
[05:18]	schestowitz__	cleared up some ram
[05:18]	vmg3	nice
[05:18]	vmg3	reminded me of a million things i've done
[05:19]	Chaekyung	schestowitz__: so have you got this wierd offer to uhm.. review something called Hypernotes?
[05:19]	Chaekyung	schestowitz__: it's apparently part of something called Zenkit Suite
[05:20]	Chaekyung	I mean, work's work and income's income but if they want a damn advertisement they should make and pay for the space
[05:21]	Chaekyung	My site is so small nobody's offered before. It seems very odd. like it's not spam, someone bothered to make themselves familiar with my site. 
[05:21]	Chaekyung	anyway, have you gotten one from them? is that kind of thing common?
[05:22]	schestowitz__	if it's proprietary
[05:22]	schestowitz__	then it's spammy to promote
[05:23]	schestowitz__	I'm more than happy to review or promote freesw
[05:23]	schestowitz__	otherwise I'm just some serf or salesman
[05:25]	schestowitz__	hmm... still not working
[05:25]	schestowitz__	I thought it had been detached
[05:25]	schestowitz__	I'm not sure anymore
[05:26]	vmg3	another dongle available? 
[05:27]	Chaekyung	it's proprietary which is why there is a $ amount attached to doing a "review"
[05:27]	Chaekyung	I suspect you by that know what the "guidelines" for said paid review are
[05:27]	schestowitz__	yeah
[05:28]	schestowitz__	sometimes they don't even pay
[05:28]	schestowitz__	they make little sites nobody cares about feel special
[05:28]	schestowitz__	and use them for their spam
[05:28]	schestowitz__	in exchange for "interview" "FROM OUR CEO!"
[05:29]	schestowitz__	or gratitude
[05:29]	schestowitz__	sites that participate don't look important or privileged but compromised
[05:31]	Chaekyung	I'm kind of compromised anyway, I run Google ads
[05:31]	Chaekyung	I guess it's an inch better than doing paid reviews, though
[05:51]	vmg3	someone else has made a collection of Stack Exchange articles https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/lcknuj/bluetooth_keeps_disconnecting/
[05:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Bluetooth keeps disconnecting : pop_os
[05:54]	schestowitz__	Aaaand... we're back!
[05:54]	schestowitz__	light back on
[05:54]	schestowitz__	and I also detahced hdmi, mouse, keyboard
[05:54]	schestowitz__	well overdue
[05:55]	vmg3	from what i read it may be a bug in the pi
[05:58]	schestowitz__	no, the connections were loose
[05:58]	schestowitz__	must have been moved yesterday
[05:58]	schestowitz__	and I didn't watch to start with debugging basics
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● Mar 03
[06:01]	vmg3	I use one as a media player and all the leads can become troublesome
[06:01]	schestowitz__	i need some sleep now, I think
[06:01]	schestowitz__	all services back
[06:01]	schestowitz__	irc, ipfs, gemini
[06:02]	vmg3	good and the rubbish bin is empty
[06:05]	techrights-bot	#texas makes #patent #law seem like an insane scam http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/03/wacko-record-verdict-jury-in-western.html #patents
[06:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Wac(k)o record verdict: jury in Western District of Texas says Intel owes Softbank-owned patent troll $2.175 billion over two patents
[06:07]	techrights-bot	#Patent zealots want to stop the quality assessment of #USPTO #fakepatents ; because they're patent profiteers who distort patent #law and don't want accountability https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/03/us-v-arthrex-supreme-court-oral-argument.html
[06:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: U.S. v. Arthrex: Supreme Court Oral Argument
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[06:11]	techrights-bot	We call our site "It's FOSS", but we celebrate #proprietarySoftware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148355#comment-28486
[06:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software on GNU/Linux | Tux Machines
[06:11]	techrights-bot	#mintCast 355.5 McKnight in Shining Armor https://mintcast.org/2021/03/03/mintcast-355-5-mcknight-in-shining-armor/ #gnu #linux
[06:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mintcast.org | mintCast 355.5 McKnight in Shining Armor mintCast
[06:12]	techrights-bot	#Arduino IDE 2.0 beta released with live debugger, revamped user interface https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/03/arduino-ide-2-0-beta-released-with-live-debugger-revamped-user-interface/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware
[06:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Arduino IDE 2.0 beta released with live debugger, revamped user interface
[06:13]	techrights-bot	"Here's how I set up a media PC using #Kodi (formerly XMBC) and a #RaspberryPi 4." http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/creating-kodi-media-pc-raspberry-pi/
[06:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-feeding.cloud.geek.nz | Creating a Kodi media PC using a Raspberry Pi 4
[06:14]	techrights-bot	#Btrfs : Resolving the logical-resolve Marcos Blog https://mpdesouza.com/blog/btrfs-resolving-the-logical-resolve/ #mpdesouza #linux #kernel
[06:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mpdesouza.com | Btrfs: Resolving the logical-resolve Marcos' Blog
[06:16]	techrights-bot	#LVFS Serves Up 25 Million Firmware/BIOS Updates To Linux Users - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LVFS-Hits-25-Million #linux #kernel #ibm #redhat
[06:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LVFS Serves Up 25 Million Firmware/BIOS Updates To Linux Users - Phoronix
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[07:57]	techrights-bot	#socislcontrolmedia is, is some sense, like an #internet kill switch (or #www mass control apparatus), as it practically enables just that. It's subsidised, at least initially, to get critical mass and accomplish this. People thing they get 'free stuff' for outsourcing to it.
● Mar 03
[08:04]	techrights-bot	High price of sloppy #security https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/biggest-data-breaches-lessons-learned/
[08:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freecodecamp.org | Biggest Data Breaches of 2020 and What Developers Should Learn From Them
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[08:10]	techrights-bot	Offline Update Arrives in #KDE Neon (Unstable Edition) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148358 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Offline Update Arrives in KDE Neon (Unstable Edition) | Tux Machines
[08:11]	techrights-bot	#IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/irc-log-020321/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/irc-log-020321/
[08:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 | Techrights
[08:12]	techrights-bot	"For a long time, I wanted to have a certificate for the onion address of my blog. Digicert was the only CA who was providing those certificates with an Extended Validation. Those are costly and suitable for an organization to get, but not for me personally, especially due to the cost." https://kushaldas.in/posts/get-a-tls-certificate-for-your-onion-service.html
[08:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Get a TLS certificate for your onion service
[08:26]	techrights-bot	"After a post on a Texas-size patent damages verdict in the Western District, we're now hopping over to the traditional patent (troll) litigation hotspot, the Eastern District of Texas." http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/03/samsung-asks-federal-court-in-texas-to.html Texas; attracting trolls, cannot supply basics to its own residents
[08:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Samsung asks federal court in Texas to throw out Ericsson's FRAND claims: no subject-matter jurisdiction over foreign patents
[08:29]	techrights-bot	#Gallium Nine Still Seeing Improvements In 2021 For #Direct3D 9 Within Mesa - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Gallium-Nine-Better-2021 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 
[08:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gallium Nine Still Seeing Improvements In 2021 For Direct3D 9 Within Mesa - Phoronix
[08:31]	techrights-bot	This is NONSENSE. Deleting these accounts does not purge the data associated with them. Those companies keep it forever or have already sold it/pass it on. https://www.maketecheasier.com/delete-personal-data-from-internet/
[08:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Delete Your Personal Data from the Internet - Make Tech Easier
[08:33]	techrights-bot	Host your website with dynamic content and a database on a #RaspberryPi | https://opensource.com/article/21/3/web-hosting-raspberry-pi #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM
[08:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Host your website with dynamic content and a database on a Raspberry Pi | Opensource.com
[08:37]	techrights-bot	#ibm #redhat promoting the trouble that is #rustlang https://opensource.com/article/21/3/rust-programmer for now I see many reasons to shun it, including http://techrights.org/2020/06/18/rusty-censorship/
[08:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-5 signs you might be a Rust programmer | Opensource.com
[08:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Beware Mozilla and Rust, Theyre Not Friends of Free Software or Even of Free Speech | Techrights
[08:55]	techrights-bot	#ProprietarySoftware and #Security http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148361 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and Security | Tux Machines
[08:55]	mjg59	schestowitz__: Certain topics get downvoted heavily on r/linux on reddit - does that say anything about Linux, or does that say something about reddit?
● Mar 03
[09:03]	schestowitz__	depends
[09:03]	schestowitz__	what's the context?
[09:04]	schestowitz__	reddit = company (conde nast)
[09:04]	schestowitz__	linux = probably gnu/linux
[09:04]	schestowitz__	media = in decline, not limited to any particular area
[09:04]	schestowitz__	reddit users = not the company, but censored by it
[09:05]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #CounterPunch #Finance The Average American Pay Tax on Half of Their Wealth, Shouldn't Rich Americans? https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/03/02/the-average-american-pay-tax-on-half-of-their-wealth-shouldnt-rich-americans/
[09:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Average American Pay Tax on Half of Their Wealth, Shouldn't Rich Americans? - CounterPunch.org
[09:05]	schestowitz__	mjg59: either way, corporate-led 'communities' are always ripe for abuse
[09:05]	schestowitz__	and better avoided
[09:05]	schestowitz__	they have financial agenda and interests, e.g. gamestop stopped by conde nast
[09:05]	schestowitz__	but not the hedge funds
[09:06]	Narrator	re
[09:07]	techrights-bot	Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to #GoogleMaps http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148362 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw
[09:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Google Maps | Tux Machines
[09:08]	techrights-bot	#twitter now on a rampage to delete users that pharmaceutical companies (which advertise with Twitter) don't want to become visible, while of course it's all broadly labeled as false and "Dangerous" https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/03/01/twitter-label-tweets-may-contain-misleading-info-related-covid-19-vaccines/6875857002/
[09:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Twitter to label tweets that may mislead about COVID-19 vaccines
[09:09]	techrights-bot	...one must not think or dare talk about compulsory (patent) licensing issues (or Access to Medicine), let alone #Twitter #censorship on behalf of Bill Gates, apparently http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/
[09:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights
[09:14]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #TheNation Happy 90th Birthday, Mr. #Gorbachev https://www.thenation.com/article/world/mikhail-gorbachev-birthday/ #russia
[09:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Happy 90th Birthday, Mr. Gorbachev | The Nation
[09:17]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #CommonDreams #classwar 'We Should Be Taxing the Rich, Not the Unemployed': Millions Set to Receive Surprise Bills for #Pandemic Jobless Benefits https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/02/we-should-be-taxing-rich-not-unemployed-millions-set-receive-surprise-bills-pandemic thieves above the law https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/07/us/politics/bill-gates-elizabeth-warren-wealth-tax.html
[09:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'We Should Be Taxing the Rich, Not the Unemployed': Millions Set to Receive Surprise Bills for Pandemic Jobless Benefits | Common Dreams News
[09:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Bill Gates Objects to Elizabeth Warrens Wealth Tax, and She Offers to Explain - The New York Times
[09:21]	techrights-bot	#Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148363 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines
[09:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[09:23]	techrights-bot	As if these patent zealots aren't already exploiting COVID to make a killing with patent monopolies... https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qsw4lpn2qm06/mip-international-patent-forum-how-to-overcome-covid-career-challenges
[09:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | MIP International Patent Forum: How to overcome COVID career challenges | Managing Intellectual Property
[09:25]	techrights-bot	Building #monopolies around COVID to rip off the public, deny the poor access to medicine (vaccines), and slow down research (it's all about money, not solving problems, at least to them) http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/03/early-disclosures-of-patent-filing-activities-related-to-covid-19/
[09:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Early Disclosures of Patent Filing Activities Related to COVID-19 - Kluwer Patent Blog
[09:26]	techrights-bot	#twitter : we BAN people for mentioning #patents related to COVID (which do exist and are in fact a problem) http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/
[09:31]	techrights-bot	#OpenSSH 8.5 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148364 #BSD #Linux #TuxMachines
[09:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenSSH 8.5 | Tux Machines
[09:38]	techrights-bot	toddays leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148367 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[09:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | todday's leftovers | Tux Machines
[09:39]	techrights-bot	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148366 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[09:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[09:39]	techrights-bot	#Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148365 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[09:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[09:43]	techrights-bot	Links 3/3/2021: #OpenSSH 8.5 and #Absolute64 20210302 Released http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/openssh-8-5/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/openssh-8-5/
[09:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 3/3/2021: OpenSSH 8.5 and Absolute64 20210302 Released | Techrights
[09:48]	techrights-bot	Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148368 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[09:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[09:50]	techrights-bot	"Ubuntu Linux is the leading Linux distribution for large embedded systems and is the most popular open source operating system for autonomous robotics and self-driving vehicles. Developed by Canonical, it provides security updates and support for each Ubuntu release." https://www.eletimes.com/canonical-to-pre-certify-adlink-devices-with-ubuntu-linux-operating-system
[09:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eletimes.com | Canonical to Pre-Certify ADLINK Devices with Ubuntu Linux Operating System - ELE Times
[09:51]	techrights-bot	"Last week I needed a Debian system to test things, I had heard others were using toolbox with #Debian images without much trouble so decided to give it a go instead of creating a VM." https://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2021/03/03/toolbox-your-debian/
[09:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | Toolbox your Debian Rust in Peace
[09:53]	techrights-bot	"I do not agree with bashing people working at the EQE secretariat. The first culprit is actually the person sitting at the head of the EPO" #ipkat never mentions #epo #corruption and illegalities anymore http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-chaotic-start-to-eeqes.html?showComment=1614763603527#c5403427187839642537
[09:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | A chaotic start to the eEQEs - The IPKat
[09:53]	techrights-bot	Real #epo scandals and #corruption that press around the world, not just #europe for that matter, refuses to cover http://techrights.org/2020/03/16/doyen-for-a-yen/
[09:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Series Index: Doyen for a Yen | Techrights
[09:55]	techrights-bot	Let's kill the whole #internet because some barons and oligarchs don't like that potential of competition online? https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qsw9r1r9pflf/counsel-fear-loopholes-for-counterfeiters-as-dsa-gathers-pace
[09:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Counsel fear loopholes for counterfeiters as DSA gathers pace | Managing Intellectual Property
[09:56]	techrights-bot	"That an organisation likes the #EPO is unable to organise correctly a very important exam is symptomatic of the deliquescence the office undergoes in the last years." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-chaotic-start-to-eeqes.html?showComment=1614763603527#c5403427187839642537 http://techrights.org/2021/03/02/gatokeeper/ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/02/gatokeeper/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03
[09:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GatoKeeper/IP Kat (AstraZeneca) Still Suppressing and Censoring the Public Views or Internal EPO Talks About EPO Corruption | Techrights
[09:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Index of /2021/03/
[09:58]	techrights-bot	#ipkat : from exposing #epo #corruption to doing photo ops with the criminals, lying to readers, censoring comments about victims of abuse, and #reputationLaundering for people who belong behind bars Tempting to call all this the result of #entryism http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/IP_Kat
[09:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IP Kat - Techrights
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[10:44]	techrights-bot	#microsoft propagandist Brett Winterford deflecting from real culprits such as back doors https://risky.biz/newsletter45/ http://techrights.org/2008/01/30/quick-mention-brett-winterford-at-it-again-microsoft-mouthpiece/ http://techrights.org/2008/01/30/quick-mention-brett-winterford-at-it-again-microsoft-mouthpiece/2/
[10:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-risky.biz | Mandatory intel sharing won't cure Holiday Bear woes - Risky Business
[10:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Quick Mention: Brett Winterford at It Again (Microsoft Mouthpiece) | Techrights
[10:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Quick Mention: Brett Winterford at It Again (Microsoft Mouthpiece) | Techrights
[10:45]	techrights-bot	Get out https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/benhenry/daniel-kaluuya-get-out-premiere-graham-norton-interview
[10:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.buzzfeednews.com | Daniel Kaluuya Wasn't Invited To The "Get Out" Premiere
[10:45]	techrights-bot	"i followed the how to from techrights:" gemini://gemini.mingmengtou.org/
[10:47]	techrights-bot	#gnu #linux in #finland https://youtu.be/WHgpLUBtcog https://mirrors.dotsrc.org/fosdem/2020/H.2215/puavo_linux_desktops_finland.webm we don't buy ads and puff pieces, so this revolution won't be televised. And that's fine.
[10:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puavo.org Linux desktops in Finnish schools - YouTube
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[10:48]	techrights-bot	#ksa https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-27/multiple-blast-sounds-heard-in-saudi-capital-cause-unknown
[10:48]	techrights-bot	#turkey under #erdogan is hell to many https://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-east/article/3122839/lgbt-people-face-tsunami-hate-turkey-once-haven-tolerance
[10:49]	techrights-bot	Mob-like realities https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/02/assailants-left-behind-somali-sword-raymond-ibrahim/
[10:50]	techrights-bot	""Angry socialist Superman" sounds like the premise of a 2021 meme, but nope -- it was actually how the Man of Steel's creators themselves saw the character in 1938." https://www.cracked.com/article_29665_4-reasons-o.g.-superman-even-more-relevant-today.html
[10:50]	vmg3	snigger gemini://simplynews.metalune.xyz/makeuseof.com/donald-trump-social-media-platform
[10:51]	techrights-bot	The word "hacker" used properly https://www.fsf.org/news/press-hardware-hacker-and-academic-nadya-peek-to-keynote-libreplanet-2021
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[10:53]	schestowitz__	snigger, vmg3, indeed..
[10:53]	schestowitz__	too late now
[10:53]	schestowitz__	he put all his eggs in one basket
[10:53]	schestowitz__	and now everything he ever wrote is gone
[10:53]	schestowitz__	except from some unofficial archives
[10:53]	schestowitz__	he had blocked me in Twitter
[10:53]	schestowitz__	then he was banned
[10:54]	schestowitz__	then I was banned too and they never explained why
[10:54]	vmg3	could you imagine the attacks
[10:54]	schestowitz__	I am only left guessing
[10:54]	schestowitz__	This is SKy BTW
[10:54]	schestowitz__	reading it at the moment
[10:54]	schestowitz__	no cookies, no trackers
[10:54]	vmg3	yeah a non story
[10:54]	schestowitz__	some sites falsely reported his gab account was compromised
[10:55]	schestowitz__	it was not his account but a bot of somebody else
[10:55]	schestowitz__	but accuracy in news no longer matters anyway
[10:55]	schestowitz__	clickbair works for ads
[10:55]	schestowitz__	*bait
[10:55]	vmg3	comey
[10:55]	vmg3	s/comedy/comey
[10:55]	schestowitz__	this article you link to...
[10:55]	schestowitz__	doesn't say anything
[10:55]	schestowitz__	speculation about speculation
[10:55]	schestowitz__	I wonder what kind of dumbass came up with it
[10:55]	schestowitz__	something trump
[10:56]	schestowitz__	something social media
[10:56]	vmg3	yes sky says it all
[10:56]	schestowitz__	OK, let's join together gossip and nonsense, then craft a misleading headline
[10:56]	schestowitz__	and the body has nothing in it
[10:56]	vmg3	rupert would love it
[10:56]	schestowitz__	cynic:
[10:56]	schestowitz__	this is not what I move to gemini for
[10:56]	schestowitz__	I move away from spying
[10:56]	schestowitz__	but also from toxic partisan bogus "Reports"
[10:57]	schestowitz__	Superimposing it on gemini space in gemtext is like replicating the Web
[10:57]	schestowitz__	not in the syntactic sense
[10:57]	schestowitz__	but the "content" sense
[10:57]	schestowitz__	there are more issues to the www than spying
[10:57]	schestowitz__	there's weight
[10:57]	schestowitz__	misinformation
[10:57]	schestowitz__	monopolies (e.g. search)
[10:57]	schestowitz__	DNS
[10:57]	schestowitz__	BTW, some want to make alts to gemini that bypass dns
[10:57]	vmg3	I chortled
[10:57]	schestowitz__	ipfs already bypasses dns
[10:58]	schestowitz__	they also oppose the cert game
[10:58]	vmg3	i've been reading up a little on IPFS too
[10:58]	schestowitz__	it's a spiel where either you trust certs because... magic
[10:58]	schestowitz__	or trust is being outsourced, then monopolised, and people like Shuttleworth rip you off
[10:58]	vmg3	I'm a bit green
[10:59]	schestowitz__	unless you visit the people in person... like if you met me and I wrote down for you my cerf
[10:59]	schestowitz__	*cert
[10:59]	schestowitz__	or maybe somewhere less formal like IRC
[10:59]	schestowitz__	lkeybase was hijacked by zoom
[10:59]	schestowitz__	zoom works for fbi
[10:59]	schestowitz__	gemini is still a good tradeoff
● Mar 03
[11:00]	schestowitz__	I need to make a list of good capsules
[11:00]	vmg3	I've never used it,  I don't appreciate being in front of a camera
[11:00]	schestowitz__	e.g. for tech news
[11:00]	schestowitz__	I can think of a few
[11:00]	vmg3	you do a good job
[11:00]	schestowitz__	need to assemble recommended capsules list
[11:00]	schestowitz__	but that can take time
[11:00]	schestowitz__	never used zoom either
[11:00]	karolyi[m]	https://leohohmann.com/2021/02/28/legal-team-wants-second-nuremberg-tribunal-to-try-global-lockdown-promoters-for-crimes-against-humanity/ ahem
[11:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Legal team wants second Nuremberg tribunal to try global lockdown promoters for crimes against humanity LeoHohmann.com
[11:01]	schestowitz__	wrong target
[11:01]	schestowitz__	there's a pandemic
[11:01]	vmg3	I use to use google and now the only time is to chat with my gf
[11:01]	schestowitz__	lockdown slows it down
[11:01]	schestowitz__	karolyi[m]: straw man
[11:01]	vmg3	I only use mega and thats not what it was
[11:02]	schestowitz__	in the uk over the past year there's good reason to believe 150,000 more people than usual (or projected) died
[11:02]	schestowitz__	not because they were forced to stay home
[11:02]	schestowitz__	they could not breathe for themselves
[11:02]	schestowitz__	anyway, back on topic
[11:02]	schestowitz__	zoom is terrible
[11:02]	schestowitz__	EPO is on fire for using it
[11:02]	schestowitz__	and Microsoft Team
[11:03]	schestowitz__	there is a bit of a scandal over EPO online exams now too
[11:03]	schestowitz__	blunder, but nowhere as big as the use of this 'tech', which is itself ILLEGAL
[11:03]	vmg3	How much do they make from all these cases
[11:03]	vmg3	the law seems seriously broken
[11:03]	schestowitz__	which ones?
[11:03]	schestowitz__	yes, the law is screwed
[11:03]	schestowitz__	made for and by the rich
[11:03]	vmg3	the massive payout
[11:03]	schestowitz__	we need a "Great Reset"... for the law
[11:03]	schestowitz__	tax the rich 40% or more
[11:03]	schestowitz__	now under 1%
[11:04]	schestowitz__	it's a big robbery of theirs 
[11:04]	schestowitz__	and bribery of 'elected' officials
[11:04]	schestowitz__	also bought
[11:04]	vmg3	that one today with samsung in texas had my head swimming
[11:04]	schestowitz__	yeah, 2 patents, 2+ billion
[11:04]	schestowitz__	texas
[11:04]	schestowitz__	they will likely appeal to CAFC
[11:04]	vmg3	even %1 of that is a nice earner
[11:04]	schestowitz__	and CAFC will overturn
[11:04]	schestowitz__	but still  a major nuisance
[11:05]	schestowitz__	I don't know those patents too well
[11:05]	schestowitz__	but they're owned by softbank-linked troll
[11:05]	vmg3	seems corrupt
[11:05]	schestowitz__	they don't even make things
[11:05]	vmg3	yeah
[11:05]	schestowitz__	hardware patents it seems
[11:05]	schestowitz__	not software 
[11:05]	schestowitz__	not my ballpark
[11:05]	schestowitz__	but I saw some very trivial hardware patents
[11:05]	schestowitz__	like diode stuff
[11:05]	vmg3	I don't understand most of the ones i read
[11:05]	schestowitz__	it ought not be within patent scope
[11:05]	schestowitz__	vmg3: by design
[11:06]	schestowitz__	they formalise and obfuscate
[11:06]	schestowitz__	to confuse the examiners
[11:06]	vmg3	the anti anti anti anti one was just weird
[11:06]	schestowitz__	and the examiners feel shy to reject
[11:06]	schestowitz__	by default, rubber-stamp
[11:06]	schestowitz__	"so sophisticated even I cannot grasp it"
[11:06]	schestowitz__	the lawyers follow templates
[11:06]	vmg3	legislators have no shame
[11:06]	schestowitz__	and reuse
[11:06]	schestowitz__	so many patents are just some template adjusted for the next fake patents... and the next after that
[11:07]	schestowitz__	major carte
[11:07]	schestowitz__	cartel
[11:07]	vmg3	bs in my book
[11:07]	schestowitz__	the big companies are happy
[11:07]	schestowitz__	they hare 90% of the market capital among themselves
[11:07]	schestowitz__	*share
[11:07]	vmg3	must be scary as shit for the little guy that gets caught up in it
[11:07]	schestowitz__	they even get public subsidies
[11:07]	schestowitz__	the gov takes loads
[11:07]	schestowitz__	loans
[11:07]	schestowitz__	on the taxpayers' backs
[11:08]	schestowitz__	they would be the one indebted and needing to pay
[11:08]	vmg3	crazy
[11:08]	schestowitz__	not billionaires with fake charities
[11:08]	schestowitz__	(aka tax evasion vehicles)
[11:08]	schestowitz__	and then the gov bails out the thieves
[11:08]	schestowitz__	so that they can  never "fail"
[11:08]	vmg3	lawyers love it no doubt
[11:08]	schestowitz__	they borrow at the public's back
[11:08]	schestowitz__	while actively besieging the public
[11:08]	schestowitz__	point that out, Twitter or similar social control  media oligopoly will ban you
[11:09]	vmg3	figures,  I love to see them in work gangs
[11:09]	schestowitz__	or "demonetise" you
[11:09]	schestowitz__	"we deserve ALL the money, not you"
[11:09]	schestowitz__	mass dissent in youtube right now
[11:09]	schestowitz__	they rip off the real creators
[11:09]	vmg3	good
[11:09]	schestowitz__	google creates NOTHING
[11:09]	schestowitz__	not even web content
[11:09]	schestowitz__	they spider
[11:09]	schestowitz__	and now they have AMP
[11:09]	schestowitz__	so they don't even send traffic to your site
[11:09]	schestowitz__	they just create their own mirrors of it
[11:09]	vmg3	they rely on kids to come up with ideas and write the code
[11:10]	schestowitz__	then they wonder why .au gets angry
[11:10]	schestowitz__	I hear that in youtube they've just punished an aussie who does h/w reviews
[11:10]	schestowitz__	Chaekyung wrote about it
[11:10]	vmg3	oh some honest review and they come down on them?
[11:10]	schestowitz__	and I don't know on what basis they decided to do this
[11:11]	schestowitz__	maybe because he was getting gifts (like corporate media)?
[11:11]	schestowitz__	"THAT'S OUR FUCKING BUSINESS!"
[11:11]	vmg3	there has been other cases like this with reviews on maps
[11:11]	schestowitz__	-Carlin
[11:11]	vmg3	hunt down an individual because they only gave 2 stars to a dentist
[11:12]	vmg3	200k tyvm
[11:12]	techrights-bot	#cybersecurity #realpolitik #blackhat https://www.blackhat.com/us-14/video/cybersecurity-as-realpolitik.html
[11:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.blackhat.com | Black Hat USA 2014 | Cybersecurity as Realpolitik
[11:12]	Chaekyung	schestowitz__: Do you use the AMP?
[11:13]	schestowitz__	no
[11:13]	schestowitz__	I don't even know much about it
[11:13]	schestowitz__	from a technical standpoint
[11:13]	schestowitz__	seems like a scam
[11:13]	schestowitz__	making the web fat and then using that fatness as an excuse to rip off your work
[11:14]	Chaekyung	There's many aspects of it.
[11:14]	techrights-bot	#lenovo pays the price again for snubbing #gnu #linux users https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/03/02/152216
[11:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Lenovo Must Pay Damages for Pre-Installing Windows - SoylentNews
[11:14]	techrights-bot	#gopkkk is still the party of #racism #fascism and #goldenDawnald #xenophobia https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/02/pers-m02.html
[11:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | Trump intensifies fascistic agitation at CPAC conference - World Socialist Web Site
[11:14]	Chaekyung	To put it a bit simply, AMP is a sub-set of HTML with less HTML tags and some special AMP tags. There's also special rules. You can't have external CSS or JS, it needs to be _inline_ but you can have external images.
[11:15]	techrights-bot	If you still vote #gop I'm fully entitled to shape my view of you based on the people whom you gave your vote to
[11:15]	Chaekyung	A completely different aspect of AMP is that Google has decided that it's alright to cache and directly serve AMP since it's a new format or whatever.. They could do that with HTML too, I guess, but people would rightfully be upset by it
[11:16]	schestowitz__	AMP is not needed
[11:16]	schestowitz__	the WWW needs to go away
[11:16]	schestowitz__	and hoepfully it will
[11:16]	Chaekyung	I never liked AMP for a technical reason AMP proponents disagree with for some reason: It is supposed to speed up the web, make it such fast, wow, much speed.
[11:16]	schestowitz__	Chaekyung: I spent some hours last night researching conversion from mediawiki, which you use, to gemtext
[11:16]	schestowitz__	seems like nobody has done that yet
[11:16]	Chaekyung	but if you have JS and CSS inline in every single file, how is that faster if someone views say 2 or 4 pages?
[11:17]	schestowitz__	JS for articles is not needed
[11:17]	Chaekyung	if you have 1 html file and 1 js and 1 css file and someone fetches 2 html pages you just saved the size of the JS and CSS
[11:17]	schestowitz__	AMP is promoted not for 'web' 'apps'
[11:17]	schestowitz__	articles are just a few paragraphs
[11:17]	schestowitz__	2-5kb
[11:17]	Chaekyung	oh bite me, I require the JS for articles
[11:17]	schestowitz__	no, I can see them without :-)
[11:17]	schestowitz__	no popups either
[11:17]	schestowitz__	quiterss opens them ok
[11:18]	schestowitz__	as html
[11:18]	schestowitz__	always with some kpop images
[11:18]	Chaekyung	try https://linuxreviews.org/Wine_6.3_Built-in_vs_DXVK_1.8:_A_Comparison_Of_Two_Very_Different_DirectX_Implementations schestowitz__ 
[11:18]	schestowitz__	even where it's not relevant
[11:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Wine 6.3 Built-in vs DXVK 1.8: A Comparison Of Two Very Different DirectX Implementations - LinuxReviews
[11:18]	schestowitz__	Chaekyung: without JS?
[11:19]	techrights-bot	#gop is not a party that would be lawful in some countries https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-republicans-dont-fear-an-electoral-backlash-for-opposing-really-popular-parts-of-bidens-agenda/
[11:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why Republicans Dont Fear An Electoral Backlash For Opposing Really Popular Parts Of Bidens Agenda | FiveThirtyEight
[11:19]	Chaekyung	Yes. I honestly don't like it but I'm also not quite sure if images are a better solution now that everyone has the JS. Well, most, anyway
[11:19]	schestowitz__	I already linked to it
[11:19]	schestowitz__	without even running JS
[11:20]	schestowitz__	I never run JS in that site
[11:20]	Chaekyung	how do you get to see the graphs if you don't have any js
[11:20]	schestowitz__	I don't need graphs
[11:20]	schestowitz__	not worth the tradeoff
[11:20]	Chaekyung	hehehe.
[11:20]	techrights-bot	"Ohio Republican and various right-wing allies spread debunked narrative that Pelosi rejected National Guard" https://www.salon.com/2021/03/02/jim-jordan-mtg-and-other-republicans-now-falsely-blaming-pelosi-for-jan-6-debacle/
[11:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jim Jordan, MTG and other Republicans now falsely blaming Pelosi for Jan. 6 debacle | Salon.com
[11:20]	Chaekyung	well, it's the ONE use-case were I require the JS
[11:20]	Chaekyung	the graphs
[11:20]	Chaekyung	NO JS NO GRAPHS FOR YOU
[11:21]	techrights-bot	#gop has gone full lunatic. #goldenDawnald #fascism https://www.salon.com/2021/03/02/republicans-try-to-keep-antifa-conspiracy-theory-alive--fbi-chief-knocks-them-down/
[11:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Republicans try to keep antifa conspiracy theory alive FBI chief knocks them down | Salon.com
[11:21]	Chaekyung	I kind of wish that I had a better solution where I could enter values into a table and have it turn into an image, not JS
[11:22]	techrights-bot	Dump #GAFAM https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/105817188751813588 #espionage #monopolies #australia #imperialism
[11:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "Encourage your favourite tech pundits to be brave" - Mastodon - NZOSS
[11:22]	techrights-bot	"One step closer to having the #PinePhone keyboard ready... the membranes just came in!" https://fosstodon.org/@PINE64/105820759691233946
[11:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosstodon.org | PINE64: "One step closer to having the #PinePhone keyboard" - Fosstodon
[11:23]	schestowitz__	Chaekyung: you could
[11:23]	schestowitz__	phoronix does something like this
[11:23]	schestowitz__	svg specs also facilitate that
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[11:24]	schestowitz__	techrights looks the same without JS, maybe sans the fancier popups on links
[11:25]	schestowitz__	https://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/misc/iveland-pts-graph-alpha-1.png
[11:25]	schestowitz__	2010
[11:26]	vmg3	gnuplot?
[11:26]	schestowitz__	Newer: https://i.imgur.com/Z0TOUfh.png
[11:27]	schestowitz__	https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=New-PTS-Graph-Done
[11:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The New Phoronix Test Suite Grapher Has Landed - Phoronix
[11:27]	schestowitz__	"the new process is much faster, consumes a lot less memory, and also is emitting more optimized SVG graphs. "
[11:28]	schestowitz__	https://linuxbenchmarking.com/
[11:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://linuxbenchmarking.com/ )
[11:28]	schestowitz__	notice how you can select the text in the 'images'
[11:28]	schestowitz__	that's how things should be done
[11:28]	schestowitz__	it's not easy
[11:29]	schestowitz__	check out page source
[11:30]	schestowitz__	"<text x="184" y="295" transform="rotate(90 184 295)">2020-05-07</text><text x="202" y="295" transform="rotate(90 202 295)">2020-05-08</text><text x="220" y="295" transform="rotate(90 220 295)">2020-05-09</text><text x="237" y="295" transform="rotate(90 237 295)">2020-05-10</text><text x="255" y="295" transform="rotate(90 255 295)">2020-05-11</text><text x="272" y="295" transform="rotate(90 272 295)">2020-05-12</text>"
[11:30]	schestowitz__	Not everything needs to be done as an image
[11:30]	schestowitz__	or with JS
[11:31]	schestowitz__	SVG specs
[11:31]	schestowitz__	"<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink" version="1.1" font-family="sans-serif, droid-sans, helvetica, verdana, tahoma" viewbox="0 0 600 374" width="600" height="374" preserveAspectRatio="xMinYMin meet"><rect x="0" y="0" width="600" height="374" fill="#FEFEFE" stroke="#757575" stroke-width="2"/>"
[11:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.w3.org | SVG namespace
[11:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.w3.org | XLink namespace
[11:37]	techrights-bot	It certainly seems like #mediawiki -> #gemtext converters do not exist. Maybe we'll implement one, as many sites out there use mediawiki and could use #geminispace capsules for the growing demand
[11:40]	techrights-bot	"The problem with that is that gemtext isn't even meant to be a markup ... get confused between vimwiki markup, mediawiki syntax, and markdown" gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2020-09-18.gmi https://gemini.susa.net:1993/cgi-bin/proxy.sh?url=gemini%3A%2F%2Fnytpu.com%2Fgemlog%2F2020-09-18.gmi
[11:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring.
[11:40]	vmg3	wikipedia2text maybe techrights-bot 
[11:40]	vmg3	its in deb repo
[11:40]	techrights-bot	"Even though the gemini spec isn't technically finalized yet, no significant modifications or extensions to gemtext or the spec as a whole should be made. A "living standard" is not a good thing, all it does is make it impossible to have a client or server that's isn't a full-time job to maintain." https://gemini.susa.net:1993/cgi-bin/proxy.sh?url=gemini%3A%2F%2Fnytpu.com%2Fgemlog%2F2020-09-18.gmi
[11:42]	schestowitz__	"Basically, what I'm trying to say is that gemini gives you the greatest freedom ever to use whatever file formats you want for your content, and people get stuck thinking they absolutely have to use gemtext, and then start complaining about the "limitations" of gemtext while completely missing the point that those limitations are deliberate."
[11:42]	schestowitz__	https://gemini.susa.net:1993/cgi-bin/proxy.sh?url=gemini%3A%2F%2Fnytpu.com%2Fgemlog%2F2020-09-18.gmi
[11:42]	schestowitz__	vmg3: wikipedia and mediawiki are not the same
[11:42]	schestowitz__	but wikipedia uses mediawiki
[11:42]	schestowitz__	or an extension of it
[11:42]	vmg3	ok my bad 
[11:42]	schestowitz__	I found something that turns DB dumps into text
[11:42]	schestowitz__	but it's not what I was looking for
[11:43]	schestowitz__	lots of wikipedia dumps
[11:43]	schestowitz__	not the same as DB dumps from mediawiki
[11:43]	schestowitz__	I followed the links
[11:43]	schestowitz__	and then found out wikipedia has this feature for downloading
[11:43]	schestowitz__	but it's for one article, not the whole lot
[11:43]	schestowitz__	one option I saw was running a DB dump with some SELECT criteria
[11:43]	schestowitz__	for latest (current) revision
[11:44]	schestowitz__	but then you end up with not text but mediawiki syntax
[11:44]	schestowitz__	like [link title]
[11:44]	schestowitz__	or worse
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[11:45]	vmg3	sounds like a lot of work
[11:45]	schestowitz__	it would be 
[11:45]	schestowitz__	first sanitising away lots of cruft 
[11:45]	schestowitz__	like images
[11:45]	schestowitz__	mediawiki has tons of options
[11:46]	schestowitz__	and no predictable way to handle all the different "CASEs"
[11:46]	schestowitz__	not in bulk anyway
[11:46]	schestowitz__	that's why I look for preprocessor
[11:46]	schestowitz__	someone must have worked on some converters
[11:46]	schestowitz__	it can help Chaekyung create his capsule too
[11:47]	schestowitz__	hugo has a convertor
[11:47]	schestowitz__	we made one for wordpress, sort of
[11:47]	schestowitz__	will be released soon (agplv3)
[11:48]	schestowitz__	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_markup_language\
[11:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_markup_language\ )
[11:48]	schestowitz__	"Mediawiki, Setext and Gemtext do not provide lightweight markup for inline code spans. "
[11:48]	schestowitz__	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_markup_language
[11:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Lightweight markup language - Wikipedia
[11:49]	schestowitz__	sounds like sex-test
[11:49]	schestowitz__	*text
[11:49]	schestowitz__	"I tried MediaWiki and MoinMoin but ended up developing my own engine ." https://communitywiki.org/wiki/FrontPage
[11:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://communitywiki.org/wiki/FrontPage )
[11:51]	vmg3	Ive only ever done guitar sites and never really got it right
[11:54]	schestowitz__	I have full xml dumps of our wiki
[11:54]	schestowitz__	those are not hard to extract 
[11:54]	schestowitz__	but in them there's not something easier to convert
[11:54]	schestowitz__	e.g.
[11:54]	schestowitz__	"
[11:54]	schestowitz__	[[Image:1389989 shields 1.jpg|right|border]]
[11:54]	schestowitz__	[http://techrights.org/2010/03/16/%E2%80%9Ccall-out-windows%E2%80%9D/ &quot;Call Out Windows&quot;] is a small campaign that politely asks journalists to report Windows-specific issues for what they really are: ''Windows'' issues. Posts touching on the subject include the following:
[11:54]	schestowitz__	2009 
[11:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Call Out Windows | Techrights
[11:54]	schestowitz__	*05/06 - [http://techrights.org/2009/05/06/zombies-are-a-windows-problem/, Maggie Shills does not know that zombies are a windows problem]
[11:54]	schestowitz__	"
[11:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Maggie Shills (MSBBC) Does Not Know That Zombies Are a Windows Problem | Techrights
[11:55]	schestowitz__	lol
[11:55]	schestowitz__	Maggie Shills vanished
[11:55]	schestowitz__	I forgot about her...
[11:55]	schestowitz__	alright, I'm giving up
[11:56]	schestowitz__	unless someone else wants a project
[11:56]	schestowitz__	linking would be even more challenging
[11:56]	schestowitz__	I thought about it in bed, it kept me awake
[11:56]	schestowitz__	gemini does directories for structure
[11:56]	schestowitz__	in wikis you don't have trees
[11:56]	schestowitz__	it's like a dictionary
[11:57]	schestowitz__	so to sort things out and link between them it can be challenging
[11:59]	vmg3	some bash wizard would suck it up
● Mar 03
[12:00]	vmg3	be like google and challenge someone
[12:00]	techrights-bot	Worthwhile project to coders with spare time and need for/of a challenge: write a wikitext/wiki markdown/mediawiki -> Gemtext converter. Many many many people could leverage such project and make good and extensive use of it.
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[12:10]	techrights-bot	"Are you suggesting that the EPO has rushed to implement a digitalised solution without properly planning, preparing and testing the necessary systems (never mind putting relevant safeguards in place)? Who would have thought it?" #epo is a den of #corruption but #ipkat censors those who mention it http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-chaotic-start-to-eeqes.html?showComment=1614766839528#c7523814254809109624
[12:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | A chaotic start to the eEQEs - The IPKat
[12:12]	techrights-bot	I see some major #gnu #linux news syndicators struggling this year, trying to reinvent themselves and suffering downtime. This issue isn't unique to GNU/Linux; the monopolists in #www destroy everything. Tux Machines still at >10 hits/sec
[12:13]	techrights-bot	The most racist tech monopolists: WE FIGHT RACISM (Yeah right!!!) https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-linux-foundation-and-ibm-announce-new-open-source-projects-to-promote-racial-justice-301231572.html what #ibm distracts from (for a FEE): http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/ibm-powered-purges/
[12:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | The Linux Foundation and IBM Announce New Open Source Projects to Promote Racial Justice
[12:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Full Story (With References) of IBMs Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | Techrights
[12:14]	techrights-bot	#techrepublic and #zdnet (same company) both in the pockets of #linuxfoundation -- a serial #bribery operation that acts as middleman (disguised as a bogus non-profit) between monopolies and media
[12:15]	techrights-bot	For #pressFreedom to succeed the #linuxfoundation needs to be disbanded. Don't be misled by the word/name "Linux". http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation
[12:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights
[12:16]	techrights-bot	More accurate headline than how #itpro spins it: " #MICROSOFT SERVES MALWARE. AGAIN!" https://www.itpro.co.uk/security/hacking/358754/malicious-dependency-confusion-packages-are-stealing-password-files
[12:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | Malicious dependency confusion packages are stealing password files | IT PRO
[12:18]	techrights-bot	#ProprietarySoftware pushed in site called "It's FOSS" (maybe rebrand as "It's PROPRIETARY"). https://news.itsfoss.com/onlyoffice-6-2-release/
[12:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | ONLYOFFICE 6.2 Release Introduces Data Validation, Auto-Format, and Other Useful Changes - It's FOSS News
[12:19]	techrights-bot	We make #proprietarySoftware and those some "community" code on proprietary #microsoft #github is NOT "open source" but classic #openwashing
[12:21]	techrights-bot	Based on what I see in my feeds, #ONLYOFFICE is contacting bloggers again (they tried me also; I told them where to go...), asking for #openwashing favours. Don't be their gratis #marketing drones...
[12:22]	schestowitz__	Chaekyung: ^^
[12:24]	techrights-bot	#ONLYOFFICE ... #Evernote ... lots of fluff in #gnu #linux 'news' sites this week. Maybe they think the goal of GNU/Linux was just to emulate Windows (but cost a little less)
[12:26]	techrights-bot	We need to say "GNU/Linux" not just because of fairness or attribution but as means of reminding people what we really strive for and what makes us special/unique (some foolishly thinks swapping masters, e.g. Microsoft to Apple, is the objective)
[12:27]	techrights-bot	#GNU developers (and Linux also) didn't work for 30+ years developing #freesw just so that they can save $50 on a #microsoft #windows licence...
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[12:33]	techrights-bot	#Valve makes further improvements to Steam Link and Remote Play Together http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148341#comment-28492
[12:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Steam Link Is Now Available on Linux to Stream Your Steam Games on Any Device | Tux Machines
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[13:17]	techrights-bot	Its raining i.MX 8M Plus systems-on-module at Embedded World 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148369 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Its raining i.MX 8M Plus systems-on-module at Embedded World 2021 | Tux Machines
[13:17]	techrights-bot	#Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148370 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[13:46]	techrights-bot	It's not ideology. #Fakepatents that should not have been granted ought to be revoked. The sooner, the better. https://verdict.justia.com/2021/03/03/the-hidden-ideological-stakes-of-scotus-patent-case #uspto #patentas
[13:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-verdict.justia.com | The Hidden Ideological Stakes of SCOTUS Patent Case | Michael C. Dorf | Verdict | Legal Analysis and Commentary from Justia
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[14:00]	techrights-bot	GNU/Linux News Sites Need to Promote Software Freedom, Not Binary and #ProprietarySoftware Blobs Merely Compiled for GNU/Linux http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/onlyoffice-and-evernote/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/onlyoffice-and-evernote/
[14:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNU/Linux News Sites Need to Promote Software Freedom, Not Binary and Proprietary Blobs Merely Compiled for GNU/Linux | Techrights
[14:04]	techrights-bot	#microsoft puts back doors in its products but is not blaming #china for taking advantage of those. #xenophobia #racism #RacistMicrosoft #Trumpism
[14:06]	techrights-bot	#Microsoft is delivering spyware and malware, but media doesn't name the real culprit (as if Microsoft doesn't exist when that does not suit Microsoft) https://www.techtimes.com/articles/257609/20210303/malicious-npm-packages-steal-linux-and-unix-password-files-of-amazon-slack-and-more.htm
[14:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Malicious NPM Packages Steal Linux and Unix Password Files of Amazon, Slack, and More | Tech Times
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[14:10]	techrights-bot	#Microsoft : our #backdoors aren't always exploited; when they are, we'll resort the #xenophobia and blame the Chinese (not those who put the back doors there). http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA
[14:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights
[14:12]	techrights-bot	#microsoft : we're not racist, we just profit from #racism and use racism to plunder the public http://techrights.org/2020/08/02/microsoft-layoffs-secrecy/
[14:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Lays Off Many More Workers in the Advertising Division/s and Terminates Products While the Press is Distracted by TikTok Rumours | Techrights
[14:14]	techrights-bot	#games have become rather dumb and pointless https://www.dedoimedo.com/games/beamng-drive.html
[14:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | BeamNG.drive - Everything a grown boy needs
[14:18]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/733487.jpg
[14:18]	techrights-bot	"A community member is also hosting a server for #GNU #Linux fans" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/survival-game-vintage-story-gets-an-official-mod-database-improved-wayland-support
[14:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Survival game Vintage Story gets an official mod database, improved Wayland support | GamingOnLinux
[14:42]	techrights-bot	#openSUSE Leap 15.3 Released for Public Beta Testing, Download Now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148373 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | openSUSE Leap 15.3 Released for Public Beta Testing, Download Now | Tux Machines
[14:43]	techrights-bot	#openSUSE Leap 15.3 Reaches Beta Build Phase http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148372 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | openSUSE Leap 15.3 Reaches Beta Build Phase | Tux Machines
[14:43]	techrights-bot	#Microsoft #Security Issues and Blame-Shifting http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148371 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft Security Issues and Blame-Shifting | Tux Machines
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[15:12]	smnthermes	https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/847412/d7826b1353e33734/
[15:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PipeWire: The Linux audio/video bus [LWN.net]
[15:15]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/21022029
[15:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5256136)
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[15:40]	MinceR	(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTIA-OH-7bs
[15:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-[YTP] Drug DeMuro's Luxuriously Long Get-It-On - YouTube
● Mar 03
[16:01]	MinceR	https://xkcd.com/2345/
[16:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Wish on a Shooting Star
[16:02]	techrights-bot	Some more #proprietarySoftware from #qt ... they show no signs of returning to #freesw ... so why develop anything using this chain or trap anymore? https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-6.0.2-released
[16:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.qt.io | Qt 6.0.2 Released
[16:02]	techrights-bot	Linux 5.12 Lands Fix For File-System Corruption Caused By Swapfile Issue - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.12-Corruption-Fixed #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux
[16:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.12 Lands Fix For File-System Corruption Caused By Swapfile Issue - Phoronix
[16:06]	techrights-bot	No, #BitLocker is NOT #Encryption but a #backdoor because #microsoft and its partner take your private key https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEDvGyuK9e0
[16:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Dual Boot Ubuntu Linux and Windows 10 with BitLocker Encryption - YouTube
[16:08]	techrights-bot	Fantasies thrive when the world is in peril https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/the-tenth-norse-world-sure-is-busy-as-valheim-hits-5-million-sold
[16:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The tenth Norse world sure is busy as Valheim hits 5 million sold | GamingOnLinux
[16:10]	techrights-bot	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148374 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[16:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[16:13]	DaemonFC[m]	I have an enterprise laptop where Bitlocker is on by default.
[16:14]	techrights-bot	There has been lots of proprietary fluff in #GNU / #Linux news sites so far this week; it merits an explanation or clarification, e.g. why we should generally reject proprietary stuff http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/onlyoffice-and-evernote/ #Techrights #GNULinux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/onlyoffice-and-evernote/
[16:16]	techrights-bot	#Monopolies by imposed secrecy is very dodgy stuff http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/trade-secrets-in-wild-part-1-some.html
[16:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Trade secrets in the wild (Part 1): some economics of cybersecurity investment - The IPKat
[16:17]	techrights-bot	Good news for the war against #SoftwarePatents https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/3/3/federal-circuit-affirms-unifieds-win-against-barkan #ptab #cafc #fakepatents #swpats
[16:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Federal Circuit affirms Unified's win against Barkan Unified Patents
[16:19]	techrights-bot	Denying #AccessToMedicines (i.e. killing people) to keep costs artificially high and suing people who dare try to prioritise #lifesaving https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qsyswplq8y5n/speed-fluidity-nuance-what-pharma-inhouse-need-from-firms
[16:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Speed, fluidity, nuance: what pharma in-house need from firms | Managing Intellectual Property
[16:21]	techrights-bot	"I would not stick my tongue in my cheek but rather at all the incompetent EPO would be managers!" http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-chaotic-start-to-eeqes.html?showComment=1614781107869#c2703586220714494304 #epo #eqe = #corruption http://techrights.org/2020/03/16/doyen-for-a-yen/
[16:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | A chaotic start to the eEQEs - The IPKat
[16:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Series Index: Doyen for a Yen | Techrights
[16:21]	techrights-bot	Games: Koi Farm, intage Story, and Valheim http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148375 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[16:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Koi Farm, intage Story, and Valheim | Tux Machines
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[16:43]	techrights-bot	Painful to watch one of our fish dying so slowly. It has been going on for over a month, but she keeps fighting while her body becomes frail and unstable.
[16:49]	DaemonFC[m]	https://wgntv.com/news/dr-seuss-books-going-for-exorbitant-prices-on-amazon/
[16:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Dr. Seuss books going for exorbitant prices on Amazon | WGN-TV
[16:50]	techrights-bot	#Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/
[16:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights
[16:56]	techrights-bot	#microsoft #racism #intolerance #MindYourOwnProblems Reminder: Microsoft Profits From Crushing Protesters for Donald #Trump http://techrights.org/2020/06/02/microsoft-and-ice-etc/
[16:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reminder: Microsoft Profits From Crushing Protesters for Donald Trump | Techrights
[16:57]	techrights-bot	#microsoft #racism #intolerance #MindYourOwnProblems Microsofts Takeover of #GitHub Already an Attack on the Four Freedoms in Service of Empire http://techrights.org/2019/07/27/github-run-by-racist-microsoft/
[16:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsofts Takeover of GitHub Already an Attack on the Four Freedoms in Service of Empire | Techrights
[16:58]	techrights-bot	#microsoft #racism #intolerance #MindYourOwnProblems Toxic Culture at Microsoft http://techrights.org/2019/08/18/the-gafam-deflection/ this quote from #billgates is a real one
[16:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Toxic Culture at Microsoft | Techrights
[16:58]	techrights-bot	#microsoft #racism #intolerance #MindYourOwnProblems The Genius Microsoft Says Its Against #Racism So It Therefore Must be True http://techrights.org/2020/08/28/racism-is-money-for-microsoft/
[16:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Genius Microsoft Says Its Against Racism So It Therefore Must be True | Techrights
[16:59]	techrights-bot	#microsoft #racism #intolerance #MindYourOwnProblems Microsoft Still Stands for Poverty, Racism, and #Militarism http://techrights.org/2020/05/09/microsoft-poverty-racism-and-militarism/
[16:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Still Stands for Poverty, Racism, and Militarism | Techrights
[16:59]	techrights-bot	#microsoft #racism #intolerance #MindYourOwnProblems They Tell the Free Software Community That It is Racist While Saying Nothing at All About Trumps Racism (Because He Gives Them Government and #Military Contracts) http://techrights.org/2020/07/06/racist-projection/
[16:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | They Tell the Free Software Community That It is Racist While Saying Nothing at All About Trumps Racism (Because He Gives Them Government and Military Contracts) | Techrights
● Mar 03
[17:00]	techrights-bot	#microsoft #racism #intolerance #MindYourOwnProblems Microsoft Gets It Wrong on Race, But Thats Just More of the Same http://techrights.org/2020/06/13/orange-lives-matter-to-microsoft/
[17:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Gets It Wrong on Race, But Thats Just More of the Same | Techrights
[17:01]	techrights-bot	#microsoft #racism #intolerance #MindYourOwnProblems Microsoft Looking to be Bailed Out by Militarism, #Imperialism , Racism and Fascism http://techrights.org/2019/10/30/bailed-out-by-militarism/
[17:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Looking to be Bailed Out by Militarism, Imperialism, Racism and Fascism | Techrights
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[17:01]	techrights-bot	#microsoft #racism #intolerance #MindYourOwnProblems Microsoft Wants Only White People in #Poland http://techrights.org/2009/08/25/white-people-in-poland/
[17:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Wants Only White People in Poland | Techrights
[17:02]	techrights-bot	#microsoft #racism #intolerance #MindYourOwnProblems Reactions to Microsoft Turning #GitHub Into a Racist Governments Censorship Platform (Censorship of FOSS) http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/microsoft-censorship-of-foss/
[17:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reactions to Microsoft Turning GitHub Into a Racist Governments Censorship Platform (Censorship of FOSS) | Techrights
[17:03]	techrights-bot	Racist #Microsoft is at it again; were meant to think that #China is evil for doing exactly what the United States has been doing but more importantly were told not to blame Microsoft for shoddy code and #backdoors http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shif
[17:06]	techrights-bot	#Patent profiteers do all they can to scuttle those panels which get rid of #fakepatents that should never have been granted in the first place. They've leveraged some spin to paint that as a constitutional issue. https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/03/us-v-arthrex-is-historical-practice-of-the-uspto-relevant.html
[17:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: U.S. v. Arthrex: Is Historical Practice of the USPTO Relevant?
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[17:11]	schestowitz__	[16:13] <DaemonFC[m]> I have an enterprise laptop where Bitlocker is on by default.
[17:11]	schestowitz__	what is an "enterprise laptop"?
[17:11]	schestowitz__	Did you steal it from a famous spaceship?
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[17:14]	DaemonFC[m]	How did you guess?
[17:16]	techrights-bot	#redhat looks at/views #fedora volunteers as employee surplus. They give their time away and the money saved (no salary) becomes income for super-wealthy #ibm shareholders ...
[17:18]	techrights-bot	#SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 Service Pack 3 Public Beta is out! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148372#comment-28496 #gnu #linux
[17:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | openSUSE Leap 15.3 Reaches Beta Build Phase | Tux Machines
[17:21]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: never heard of such laptops
[17:21]	schestowitz__	marketing labels
[17:21]	schestowitz__	is there a smarttop yet?
[17:21]	schestowitz__	did someone trademark it?
[17:21]	schestowitz__	cloudbooks existed already
[17:21]	schestowitz__	cloudOS
[17:21]	schestowitz__	all the clown things...
[17:22]	DaemonFC[m]	Eh, they just say enterprise grade laptop for anything that is intended for businesses.
[17:35]	schestowitz__	what business?
[17:35]	schestowitz__	hotdog stand?
[17:35]	schestowitz__	is that an enterprise laptop, too?
[17:35]	schestowitz__	if the vendor wears a suit, does that qualify?
[17:35]	schestowitz__	it's just BS marketing
[17:36]	schestowitz__	preying on insecurity
[17:36]	schestowitz__	"what is in that meeting people saw I had a "cheap" laptop?"
[17:36]	schestowitz__	"what would they think?"
[17:36]	schestowitz__	"I cannot go to meet of client with iPhone SE" (or whatever they call the 'lesser' version)
[17:36]	techrights-bot	What #FreeSoftware Organisations Can Learn From Australias Rape Crisis http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/au-rape-crisis/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/au-rape-crisis/
[17:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | What Free Software Organisations Can Learn From Australias Rape Crisis | Techrights
[17:39]	techrights-bot	#NomadBSD 1.4 is now available! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148376 #UNIX #BSD #TuxMachines
[17:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NomadBSD 1.4 is now available! | Tux Machines
[17:42]	techrights-bot	#uspto and #cafc have legitimacy crisis when former heads are #lobbying for #swpats while taking bribes from #IBM and Microsoft https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/03/hyperbole-accurately-describes.html see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/David_Kappos
[17:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Is it Hyperbole if it Accurately Describes an Absurd Reality | Patently-O
[17:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | David Kappos - Techrights
[17:43]	techrights-bot	Aggressors dominate and sponsor another think tank 'forum' hosted by their #propaganda front, #ManagingIP https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qt0mgn4q1dv0/mip-international-patent-forum-anti-anti-suit-injunctions-scary-frand-trend how to BUY police/law
[17:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | MIP International Patent Forum: Anti-anti-suit injunctions scary FRAND trend | Managing Intellectual Property
[17:45]	techrights-bot	"Credible organizations seek independent and impartial assistance to mediate or advise in the situations described by #gnomefoundation de Blanc." http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/au-rape-crisis/ #nepotism #bullying #coverup gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/au-rape-crisis/
[17:48]	superkuh	https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210302/17264946349/microsoft-attacks-open-web-because-jealous-googles-success.shtml
[17:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Attacks The Open Web Because It's Jealous Of Google's Success | Techdirt
[17:53]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/21022014
[17:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5255791)
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[19:57]	DaemonFC[m]	"Abbott, a Republican, has faced sustained criticism from his party in America's biggest red state over the statewide mask mandate which was imposed eight months ago as well as business occupancy limits that Texas will also scuttle next week. The mask order was only ever lightly enforced, even during the worst outbreaks of the pandemic.
[19:57]	DaemonFC[m]	Removing statewide mandates does not end personal responsibility, said Abbott, speaking from the crowded dining room of a restaurant in Lubbock, surrounded by several people not wearing masks.
[19:57]	DaemonFC[m]	Its just that now state mandates are no longer needed, he said."
● Mar 03
[20:01]	DaemonFC[m]	From the Republican state that brought you no power and $17,000 bills for no power and 100 people dying from cold with no power while the $17,000 power bills went out, comes no COVID masks.
[20:02]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz__: This is what you get when you buy electricity through an app in California I guess.
[20:03]	DaemonFC[m]	As long as you assume the grid will absolutely never have a major problem, buying power at wholesale with a "$10 membership fee" each month isn't such a bad deal.
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[20:19]	DaemonFC[m]	Here...install this app. You might save $10 a month.... That goes fine for a while and then BAM. $5,000-$17,000 electric bill.
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[20:41]	vmg3	Spying on children, engaging with bots, Mature? FMD https://www.itnews.com.au/feature/nestle-subsidiary-sees-sweet-returns-from-data-driven-transformation-561713?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=iTnews+
[20:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itnews.com.au | Nestl subsidiary sees sweet returns from data-driven transformation - Partner Content - iTnews
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[21:04]	MinceR	https://xkcd.com/2348/
[21:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Boat Puzzle
[21:05]	techrights-bot	#Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148380 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines
[21:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[21:05]	techrights-bot	Review: The New #weLees Visual #LVM , a new style of LVM management, has been released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148379 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[21:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review: The New weLees Visual LVM, a new style of LVM management, has been released | Tux Machines
[21:05]	techrights-bot	GNU/Linux for Beginners: Should You Make the Switch? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148378 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[21:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux for Beginners: Should You Make the Switch? | Tux Machines
[21:06]	techrights-bot	Why its a good thing that the Linux desktop is boring again http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148377 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[21:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why it's a good thing that the Linux desktop is boring again | Tux Machines
[21:08]	techrights-bot	Steam Link Linux release reminds us how simple game streaming can be http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148341#comment-28498 #gnu #linux
[21:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Steam Link Is Now Available on Linux to Stream Your Steam Games on Any PC | Tux Machines
[21:14]	techrights-bot	"In this video, I am going to show how to install #KaliLinux 2021.1." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lnej4_DvH0 #gnu #linux #security
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[21:15]	techrights-bot	Happy Birthday, #OpenBank Project! https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/02/happy-birthday-open-bank-project/
[21:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Happy Birthday, Open Bank Project! | Stop at Zona-M
[21:19]	techrights-bot	Italian judge punishes #Lenovo for not reimbursing Windows license http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148321#comment-28499 #italy #gnu #linux
[21:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Refund of pre-installed Windows: Lenovo must pay 20,000 euros in damages | Tux Machines
[21:21]	techrights-bot	#NomadBSD 1.4 Released With GUI For Easier Chrome / Brave / Vivaldi Browser Installation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148376#comment-28500 #bsd #unix
[21:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NomadBSD 1.4 is now available! | Tux Machines
[21:25]	techrights-bot	#Blender3d 2.92 #Linux & #Windows Performance: Best CPUs & Graphics Cards http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148137#comment-28501
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[21:29]	techrights-bot	Clown crown https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/ibm/ibms-arranged-marriage-between-openshift-and-power-aims-hybrid-cloud-crown clowns wear crowns? #clowncomputing #ibm #redhat
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[21:34]	techrights-bot	#rpminspect 1.3.1 released https://www.burdell.org/posts/2021/Mar/03/rpminspect-131-released/ #burdell #ibm #redhat
[21:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.burdell.org | rpminspect-1.3.1released
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[21:38]	techrights-bot	Arch Linux: Full Installation Guide - A complete tutorial/walkthrough in one video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPLnBPM4DhI #archlinux #gnu #linux
[21:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Arch Linux: Full Installation Guide - A complete tutorial/walkthrough in one video! - YouTube
[21:40]	smnthermes	youtube-dlc is dead, not there's a fork called yt-dlp: https://teddit.net/r/youtubedl/comments/kw3agm/ytdlp_an_actively_maintained_fork_of_youtubedlc/
[21:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-teddit.net | yt-dlp : an actively maintained fork of youtube-dlc : youtubedl
[21:41]	techrights-bot	#ibm #redhat and its #nsa #snakeoil #selinux https://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-its-time-to-stop-setting-selinux-to-permissive-or-disabled/
[21:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why it's time to stop setting SELinux to Permissive or Disabled - TechRepublic
[21:41]	smnthermes	now*
[21:41]	MinceR	because it's time to stop building selinux into the kernel
[21:43]	techrights-bot	I used #SELinux in the distant past. It's #security for dummies... like "smart" stuff... for dummies who still think #nsa truly wants to enhance real security http://techrights.org/2021/01/30/fake-security/
[21:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security is Still a Real Problem, Even in the GNU/Linux (and BSD) Spheres | Techrights
[21:43]	smnthermes	Isn't some part of it in userspace?
[21:43]	MinceR	there's probably some utility you can manipulate it with
[21:44]	schestowitz__	smnthermes: interesting
[21:44]	schestowitz__	I did not even know about that project. tbh.
[21:46]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: for power billing you don't need app
[21:46]	schestowitz__	keep old meters, keep it dumb
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[21:48]	techrights-bot	Remember that #microsoft is evil and a threat to everything digital and dignified, inc. the #internet https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210302/17264946349/microsoft-attacks-open-web-because-jealous-googles-success.shtml
[21:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Attacks The Open Web Because It's Jealous Of Google's Success | Techdirt
[21:51]	mjg59	Wait, MAC is snake oil?
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[21:52]	techrights-bot	#GNUDenemo 2.5 Is Released http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=9952 https://linuxreviews.org/GNU_Denemo_2.5_Is_Released #Denemo #GNU #freesw
[21:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | Denemo - News: Release 2.5 out now. [Savannah]
[21:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | GNU Denemo 2.5 Is Released - LinuxReviews
[21:53]	schestowitz__	mjg59: you are too
[21:54]	schestowitz__	but you worked for companies that do not want real security
[21:54]	schestowitz__	"just enough" security
[21:54]	schestowitz__	NSA gets in, sometimes the others still stay out
[21:54]	schestowitz__	until they too find the ways in
[21:54]	schestowitz__	so sort of not your fault
[21:54]	schestowitz__	with employers like Red Hat (DoD) and Google
[21:54]	schestowitz__	not your fauly
[21:54]	schestowitz__	*Fault
[21:54]	schestowitz__	but let's work on real security now
[21:55]	schestowitz__	(for everyone)
[21:58]	MinceR	security theater
[21:59]	mjg59	SELinux is pretty clearly not security theater
[21:59]	mjg59	What's the threat you're worried about?
[21:59]	mjg59	There's nothing especially complicated in its implementation
[21:59]	mjg59	It's not like it's doing any crypto
[21:59]	MinceR	are you going to tell me that Dual_EC_DRBG is also not backdoored?
[21:59]	mjg59	Oh, that absolutely was
[21:59]	MinceR	interesting
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[22:00]	techrights-bot	VM (Vicky) Brasseur, who promotes #proprietarysoftware in some contexts, want to FUD Free software, as having that mythical "sustainability" woe (as if it's all about money) https://www.fosslife.org/sustainability-open-source-projects-4-big-questions
[22:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | Sustainability for Open Source Projects: 4 Big Questions
[22:00]	MinceR	so we're supposed to trust the NSA in one case after they were already incriminated in another
[22:00]	mjg59	Inspecting code is significantly easier than inspecting algorithms
[22:00]	MinceR	not adding a ton of extra bloat to the kernel is even easier
[22:00]	mjg59	But then you don't have a label-based MAC implementation
[22:01]	MinceR	and i don't want one
[22:01]	MinceR	i don't want buzzwords, i want security
[22:01]	mjg59	It is security
[22:01]	MinceR	also, then i won't have at least one known vulnerability that selinux introduced
[22:01]	techrights-bot	#gnu developed for 37 years (soon 38) in spite of that "sustainability" nonsense. People can get paid for things other than their per Free software project.
[22:02]	MinceR	then again, if i want security, i'll probably need to switch to a different free unix anyway, as the quality assurance in GNU/Linux apparently consisted solely of Linus Torvalds
[22:02]	techrights-bot	#Igalia is doing #freesw and is hiring more Free software hackers https://blogs.igalia.com/siglesias/2021/03/03/igalia-is-hiring/
[22:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.igalia.com | Igalia is hiring! - Samuel Iglesias Gonslvez's blog
[22:02]	MinceR	the next kdbus is going to end in the kernel without another word
[22:04]	techrights-bot	I honestly don't think #gnu #linux news sites need to cover 'pure' hardware news like new #amd products. I'm looking at you, Liam and Michael ;-) focus on GNU and Linux... or games.
[22:05]	schestowitz__	[22:00] <MinceR> not adding a ton of extra bloat to the kernel is even easier
[22:05]	MinceR	they should cover hardware that works with GNU/Linux :>
[22:05]	schestowitz__	level of obscurity
[22:05]	schestowitz__	that never works our in our favour at the end
[22:05]	schestowitz__	we have limited capacity
[22:05]	MinceR	as it's still not a given
[22:06]	schestowitz__	MinceR: I was gonna say..
[22:06]	schestowitz__	it probably has no linux drivers yet
[22:06]	schestowitz__	or no drivers with support for these models
[22:06]	schestowitz__	but the news is slow to be fair....
[22:06]	schestowitz__	I didn't put the links
[22:07]	MinceR	then yeah, it's not GNU/Linux news
[22:07]	schestowitz__	mjg59: no, it is not security
[22:07]	schestowitz__	I've done this stuff since my early 20s
[22:07]	schestowitz__	tessier always used selinux at the start
[22:07]	schestowitz__	and we gave up on it
[22:07]	schestowitz__	never helped
[22:08]	schestowitz__	just got in the way
[22:08]	schestowitz__	in obscure ways
[22:08]	schestowitz__	another bloat in the stack
[22:08]	schestowitz__	security is not convenient
[22:08]	schestowitz__	selinux is just not convenient
[22:08]	schestowitz__	and not security, either
[22:08]	schestowitz__	no wonder red hat never writes aboyt it anymore
[22:09]	schestowitz__	after snowden leaks the NSA badge sealed the deal/death knell
[22:09]	schestowitz__	if david still works for IBM
[22:09]	schestowitz__	which I think he does
[22:10]	schestowitz__	he probably works on another project
[22:11]	vmg3	I use to use fedora until SELinux, that was a few years back. It was bloat without relevant explanation.   
[22:11]	techrights-bot	#openSUSE Leap 15.3 Enters Beta Phase As an Exciting #CentOS Alternative With Xfce 4.16, Power10 Support, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148372#comment-28503
[22:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | openSUSE Leap 15.3 Reaches Beta Build Phase | Tux Machines
[22:12]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.wthr.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/national-guard-in-dc-hospitalized-substandard-food/65-f231f75f-2206-4403-9d19-645eef5f302e
[22:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-National Guard hospitalized from bad food | wthr.com
[22:14]	schestowitz__	vmg3: probably never enhanced security for you... in any meaningful way
[22:14]	schestowitz__	just made life harder
[22:14]	vmg3	yes
[22:14]	schestowitz__	security is made by removing things
[22:14]	schestowitz__	not making addons
[22:14]	vmg3	and I had an older machine back then
[22:15]	schestowitz__	like bloated Windows with some bloated AV on top
[22:15]	vmg3	If it's in deb its well hidden
[22:17]	vmg3	security for me is an unmounted drive
[22:20]	techrights-bot	"The developer, Just2D, mentioned how they've put "a lot of effort into #GNU #Linux compatibility" so hopefully that works out well for them." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/drova-forsaken-kin-is-an-upcoming-pixel-art-rpg-with-high-player-agency
[22:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Drova - Forsaken Kin is an upcoming pixel-art RPG with 'high player agency' | GamingOnLinux
[22:21]	techrights-bot	#FLOSSWeekly jumping the shark by pushing #Microsoft #proprietarysoftware instead of actual FLOSS https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/619 #twittv
[22:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twit.tv | Notetaking With Dendron
[22:23]	techrights-bot	Top 6 New Games You Can Play With Proton Since Feb. 2021 https://boilingsteam.com/top-6-new-games-you-can-play-with-proton-run-since-feb-2021/ #games #gnu #linux
[22:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Top 6 New Games You Can Play With Proton Since Feb. 2021 - Boiling Steam
[22:27]	techrights-bot	"A while back I looked at a font preview script but it was kind of annoying to use, but it turns out there's a much better version of that script called font preview ueberzug which is what we're checking out today." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0iyD1U86JY
[22:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Font Preview Ueberzug: A Better Font Previewer - YouTube
[22:30]	techrights-bot	Andrea Perronace at #Watchtroll is now promoting illegal #swpats in #europe using #epo #corruption (which they're happy to piggyback for profit): What to Know About the European Patent Office 2021 Guidelines for Examination: Part I CII and Procedural Changes http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Software_Patents_in_Europe
[22:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Patents in Europe - Techrights
[22:31]	schestowitz__	vmg3: makes sense, e.g. for good backups
[22:31]	schestowitz__	"ait-gapped"
[22:31]	schestowitz__	*air
[22:31]	schestowitz__	there are now "Smart" drives
[22:31]	schestowitz__	that connect to the network
[22:31]	schestowitz__	instead of using USB
[22:31]	schestowitz__	so smart you can have them wiped remotely along with all the rest
[22:32]	vmg3	the only thing im really concerned about is online banking
[22:32]	techrights-bot	"If we take, as an example, the case of a criminal trial: imagine you sit, wrongly accused of course, in jail. You are sure the judge will judge you fairly. You are lead to a VC room with a few screens. There is no judge - only the video stream of a judge" http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/02/breaking-legality-of-board-of-appeal.html?showComment=1614790938165#c5157498529103381724
[22:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: The legality of Board of Appeal oral proceedings by video conference has been referred to the EBA - The IPKat
[22:32]	vmg3	i just have some personal medical, tax and insurance stuff on the drive oh and photos
[22:33]	vmg3	I had most of it on google drive ages ago and some chap said you had better unshare that folder
[22:34]	MinceR	03 233126 < schestowitz__> there are now "Smart" drives
[22:34]	MinceR	NAS :>
[22:34]	vmg3	and I was one of the accounts that was hacked
[22:36]	mjg59	schestowitz__: A key component of security is minimising privileges
[22:36]	techrights-bot	#epo #corruption begets massive technical blunder. "And I didn't get the English until 30 min in, AFTER I got the added time, it disappeared again. I complained, but I got kicked out of the system at 11 am." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-chaotic-start-to-eeqes.html?showComment=1614800564156#c2760353824134399139
[22:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | A chaotic start to the eEQEs - The IPKat
[22:36]	mjg59	schestowitz__: SELinux provides an extremely fine grained mechanism to remove privileges
[22:36]	mjg59	One that isn't achievable through other approaches
[22:36]	MinceR	another key component of security is minimizing complexity
[22:36]	mjg59	No
[22:37]	mjg59	Memory protection is complexity
[22:37]	mjg59	Removing memory protection doesn't improve security
[22:37]	MinceR	memory protection is mostly hardware
[22:37]	techrights-bot	FOSS Patents: Arizona House of Representatives adopts law untying in-app payment method from mobile #appstore #monopolies : now on to the State Senate http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/03/arizona-house-of-representatives-adopts.html #fosspatents
[22:37]	MinceR	and it's a lot simpler than MAC
[22:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Arizona House of Representatives adopts law untying in-app payment method from mobile app store monopolies: now on to the State Senate
[22:37]	mjg59	Ok, so we agree that minimising complexity isn't inherently good for security
[22:38]	MinceR	neither is minimizing privileges
[22:38]	mjg59	Do you have a counterexample?
[22:38]	vmg3	google+
[22:38]	MinceR	would your system be more secure if your account could not do anything and you had to use root for everything instead?
[22:39]	mjg59	Minimising privileges refers to providing only the privileges required to perform the required functions
[22:39]	mjg59	The traditional Unix security model provides no good way to do that
[22:40]	MinceR	what's the filesystem access control in it, then?
[22:42]	techrights-bot	#IBM / #RedHat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148381 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[22:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
[22:42]	mjg59	In SELinux?
[22:43]	mjg59	Oh sorry I see what you mean
[22:43]	MinceR	in traditional Unix
[22:43]	techrights-bot	Games: Drova - Forsaken Kin, Core Defense, and Proton Stuff http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148386 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Gaming #Games
[22:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Drova - Forsaken Kin, Core Defense, and Proton Stuff | Tux Machines
[22:43]	techrights-bot	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148385 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[22:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[22:43]	mjg59	So, say /etc/passwd - it needs to be readable to most applications, because getpwnam() and friends need to read it
[22:44]	techrights-bot	#Security Patches and Bugs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148384 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[22:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Patches and Bugs | Tux Machines
[22:44]	techrights-bot	GNU #Denemo 2.5 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148383 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[22:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Denemo 2.5 | Tux Machines
[22:44]	techrights-bot	Canonical/ #Ubuntu Deal With #ADLINK http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148382 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[22:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical/Ubuntu Deal With ADLINK | Tux Machines
[22:44]	mjg59	How do you block access to it for applications that *don't* need to access it?
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[22:45]	MinceR	i don't, i just move the sensitive stuff to /etc/shadow
[22:46]	schestowitz__	doing insecure things and then throwing addons to get past that isn't security
[22:46]	MinceR	indeed
[22:46]	mjg59	schestowitz__: Unfortunately, humans are not good at writing software that is perfect
[22:46]	mjg59	So we need to assume that software has flaws
[22:47]	MinceR	but we're also mandated to assume that selinux has no flaws?
[22:47]	mjg59	No
[22:47]	mjg59	But selinux is not complicated code
[22:47]	mjg59	Reviewing it is much easier than reviewing the totality of code that runs on a system
[22:47]	MinceR	https://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/7632/Selinux.html
[22:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cvedetails.com | Selinux : Products and vulnerabilities
[22:47]	MinceR	3 vulnerabilities so far
[22:47]	MinceR	thank you, NSA!
[22:48]	vmg3	if software engineers cant figure it out how is me & nan going to
[22:48]	mjg59	The 2015 one was in setroubleshoot, which was written by Red Hat
[22:48]	mjg59	Oh, so were both the 2007 ones
[22:48]	techrights-bot	Incredible! Even the BOARD stuff (not code) of #rustlang is now outsourced to #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly ... Rust is DEAD to me. Taken over. https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2021/03/03/lang-team-mar-update.html
[22:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.rust-lang.org | Lang team March update | Inside Rust Blog
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[22:49]	MinceR	and then a bunch more... http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=selinux
[22:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cve.mitre.org | CVE - Search Results
[22:49]	MinceR	not all of these are relevant though
[22:50]	techrights-bot	With #rustlang #mozilla burned money it received from #google #surveillanceCapitalism to create a gift to #microsoft ... this makes me feel like any software made with Rust... I'm NOT interested in it.
[22:51]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz__: I was reading a Microsoft employee saying Mozilla should just turn itself into a "research institute" an quit making a browser.
[22:51]	mjg59	Most of these aren't in SELinux, they're in external tooling
[22:51]	techrights-bot	Bad ideas: remaking or making parts of #linux dependent on #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/
[22:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights
[22:52]	mjg59	The ones that are are largely cases where you can avoid some SELinux restrictions, so it's no worse than not having SELinux at all
[22:53]	MinceR	i'm pretty sure there was at least one case that would have left the system not vulnerable without selinux
[22:54]	techrights-bot	#Intel Sends Out #KVM SGX Virtualization Patches For Linux - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-KVM-SGX-Virtualization #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux
[22:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Sends Out KVM SGX Virtualization Patches For Linux - Phoronix
[22:56]	techrights-bot	#microsoft interjected fake (non) security into #linux and is now boasting and celebrating the dire consequences in its loyal #propaganda sites https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/grub2-boot-loader-reveals-multiple-high-severity-vulnerabilities/
[22:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | GRUB2 boot loader reveals multiple high severity vulnerabilities
[22:58]	MinceR	oh wow, "secure" boot could be circumvented! guess what, it still can be
[22:58]	MinceR	and no matter what you do, it will still be possible to circumvent it
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[23:02]	techrights-bot	Videos/Audiocasts/Shows http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148388 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[23:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos/Audiocasts/Shows | Tux Machines
[23:02]	techrights-bot	Kernel: #Intel SGX, Swapfile Problem, and Security Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148387 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #kernel
[23:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Intel SGX, Swapfile Problem, and Security Fixes | Tux Machines
[23:02]	smnthermes	> [19:07:52] schestowitz__: tessier always used selinux at the start
[23:03]	smnthermes	> [19:07:55] schestowitz__: and we gave up on it
[23:03]	smnthermes	> [19:07:57] schestowitz__: never helped
[23:03]	smnthermes	> [19:08:01] schestowitz__: just got in the way
[23:03]	smnthermes	Probably because the ecosystem isn't adapted to strict SELinux policies, unlike on Android
[23:03]	MinceR	yeah, android is so great
[23:03]	MinceR	you can't even mount a proper filesystem
[23:03]	MinceR	because vold doesn't recognize them
[23:04]	MinceR	and if you do it from a shell, mountspace fuckery prevents you from being able to use it
[23:04]	schestowitz__	[23:03] <MinceR> yeah, android is so great
[23:04]	schestowitz__	yes, the most secure OS ever
[23:04]	schestowitz__	unless you like...... install something on it
[23:04]	MinceR	lol
[23:04]	schestowitz__	and Google has access to everything
[23:04]	schestowitz__	FBI has access also
[23:04]	schestowitz__	the carrier does too
[23:04]	schestowitz__	it's a joke
[23:05]	schestowitz__	and some people take nudes on it
[23:05]	schestowitz__	and then reddit is wanking all over it when it leaks out
[23:05]	schestowitz__	"fappening"
[23:05]	MinceR	wasn't that hypeOS and hypeCloud?
[23:07]	techrights-bot	#india still being run by corrupt idiots and foreign charlatans including #billgates ... and it shows https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/02/freedom-to-map-depends-on-who-delivers-it/
[23:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Freedom to map depends on WHO delivers it | Stop at Zona-M
[23:08]		*Condor is now known as Konata
[23:08]	techrights-bot	#WordPress now powers 40% of the web https://wordpress.org/news/2021/03/the-month-in-wordpress-february-2021/ in #techrights we made converters from WordPress to #gemtext (will be out soon as AGPLv3)
[23:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-News The Month in WordPress: February 2021 WordPress.org
[23:09]	techrights-bot	We Sent 304,654 #Coding Tests to Developers from 156 Countries Heres What We Learned https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/developer-skills-report-insights-from-coding-tests/ #freecodecamp | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/03/#latest
[23:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freecodecamp.org | We Sent 304,654 Coding Tests to Developers from 156 Countries Heres What We Learned
[23:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
[23:10]	techrights-bot	How I Built a Web Scraper with Beautiful Soup and Used it to Land My FirstJob https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/how-i-used-a-side-project-to-land-a-job/ #freecodecamp | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/03/#latest
[23:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freecodecamp.org | How I Built a Web Scraper with Beautiful Soup and Used it to Land My FirstJob
[23:10]		*Konata is now known as Condor
[23:12]	techrights-bot	Developing frameworks on #Microsoft servers is a very bad idea (it has also led to censorship of Microsoft critics); this is the last thing #Linux needs to become dependent on at this stage http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/
[23:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights
[23:13]	schestowitz__	MinceR: clown of Apple
[23:13]	schestowitz__	and phishing iirc
[23:13]	schestowitz__	but
[23:13]	schestowitz__	part of the issue was
[23:13]	schestowitz__	the 'phone
[23:13]	schestowitz__	it was automatically 'syncing' 
[23:13]	schestowitz__	to the apple clown
[23:13]	schestowitz__	nsa and friends of tim
[23:13]	schestowitz__	they never intended for those photos to go outwards
[23:13]	schestowitz__	and some deleted them straight afterwards
[23:13]	schestowitz__	sometimes 'security' means
[23:14]	schestowitz__	back up your things
[23:14]	schestowitz__	even when you don't want it
[23:14]	schestowitz__	and not to your device
[23:14]	MinceR	indeed
[23:14]	schestowitz__	someone else's server
[23:14]	schestowitz__	with back doors
[23:14]	schestowitz__	'security'
[23:14]	schestowitz__	until it's like... "daddy, I'm sorry!!! I'm sorry!!"
[23:16]	techrights-bot	"While the original Hewlett Packard has a long history in proprietary and Unix systems, it was the acquisition of Compaq way back in September 2001 for $25 billion that gave what is now HPE a volume server business aimed at small, medium, and large enterprises as well as the emerging webscale companies." https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/03/03/changing-of-the-guard-for-hpc-and-big-iron-at-hpe/
[23:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nextplatform.com | Changing Of The Guard For HPC And Big Iron At HPE
[23:17]	techrights-bot	#Flutter 2.0 reaches stable and adds support for foldable and dual-screen devices https://www.xda-developers.com/flutter-2-0-stable/ another #monopoly -controlled #programming framework, which I'd perpetually avoid
[23:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xda-developers.com | Flutter 2.0 supports building apps on foldable and dual-screen phones
[23:18]	techrights-bot	Speaking of #monopolies , #Robolinux 12.03 is out and it targets the #microsoft #monopoly http://www.robolinux.org/ https://robolinux.org/download.html "v12.03 released March 3rd 2021"
[23:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Welcome to Robolinux.org
[23:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-robolinux.org | Robolinux Downloads
[23:21]	techrights-bot	" #Bitmanagement Software GMBH v. United States was a dispute that involved the use of certain proprietary software, BS Contract Geo, a 3D visualization product." https://heathermeeker.com/2021/03/03/conditions-and-implied-licenses-bitmanagement-v-united-states/
[23:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-heathermeeker.com | Conditions and Implied Licenses: Bitmanagement v. United States Copyleft Currents
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[23:24]	techrights-bot	#Geniatech XPI-3288 #RaspberryPi lookalike features Rockchip RK3288 SoC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148389 looks like #raspi but does not push #microsoft #malware behind your back (AFAIK) http://techrights.org/2021/02/18/raspberry-pi-breaks-up-with-free-software-community/
[23:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Geniatech XPI-3288 Raspberry Pi lookalike features Rockchip RK3288 SoC | Tux Machines
[23:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Raspberry Pi Reaffirms Its Commitment to Microsoft (as Trojan Horse Inside Classrooms) and Abandons the Free Software Community | Techrights
[23:25]	techrights-bot	When you fancy #monopolies controlling your #compression code https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Zstd-1.4.9-Released #microsoft #facebook #deletegithub
[23:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Zstd 1.4.9 Released With ~2x Faster Performance For Long Mode - Phoronix
[23:26]	techrights-bot	How to write an article without actually saying anything of real substance. #suse https://www.suse.com/c/7-key-digital-transformation-questions/
[23:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-7 Digital Transformation Questions IT Should Ask Their Business Managers | SUSE Communities
[23:28]	techrights-bot	A lot of fluff in the "news" is reducible to noise. The facts aren't there. The words are there, it is grammatically correct, but it doesn't actually say anything. Dross, speculation, and minds going in circles with coherence yet no substance.
[23:29]	techrights-bot	Poor journalists (so-called!) who did #trump tweets as "news"... no more Trump on Twitter, so they actually need to exercise moving a pen and write something they RESEARCH for. If they can...
[23:32]	techrights-bot	February #GNU Spotlight with Mike Gerwitz: 23 new releases https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/february-gnu-spotlight-with-mike-gerwitz-23-new-releases #freesw
[23:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | February GNU Spotlight with Mike Gerwitz: 23 new releases Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[23:45]	techrights-bot	Links 3/3/2021: #OpenSUSE Leap 15.3 Beta, GNU #Denemo 2.5, and #NomadBSD 1.4 http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/nomadbsd-1-4/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/nomadbsd-1-4/
[23:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 3/3/2021: OpenSUSE Leap 15.3 Beta, GNU Denemo 2.5, and NomadBSD 1.4 | Techrights
[23:45]	techrights-bot	Asymmetric Multi Processing with Linux & Zephyr on the STM32MP1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148390 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[23:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Asymmetric Multi Processing with Linux & Zephyr on the STM32MP1 | Tux Machines
[23:46]	techrights-bot	#FreeSoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148391 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw
[23:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
[23:47]	techrights-bot	#Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148392 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[23:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[23:47]	techrights-bot	Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148393 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[23:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[23:50]	techrights-bot	Do not be misled. #microsoft boosted #trump http://techrights.org/2020/08/01/microsoft-loves-trump/ #biden is less of an ally to them...
[23:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Donald Trumps Trash Against China Helps Prop up Microsoft Monopoly and Distract From All the Microsoft Layoffs | Techrights
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[23:53]	schestowitz__	"BREAKING"
[23:53]	schestowitz__	https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-network-security-holes-found-fixed/
[23:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-High severity Linux network security holes found, fixed | ZDNet
[23:54]	schestowitz__	wow, clickbait fro zdnet
[23:55]	techrights-bot	#Pardus 19.5 Srm Yaynland https://www.pardus.org.tr/duyurular/pardus-19-5-surumu-yayinlandi/ #turkey #gnu #linux release.
[23:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pardus.org.tr | Pardus 19.5 Srm Yaynland Pardus TBTAK ULAKBM
[23:56]	techrights-bot	Just don't buy one https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2021/03/03/how-not-to-jailbreak-your-iphone/ #apple #cult #hype #jail #prison
[23:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nakedsecurity.sophos.com | How (NOT?!) to jailbreak your iPhone Naked Security
[23:57]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/21021348
[23:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5236035)
[23:58]	techrights-bot	#openSUSE beta brings it in line with SUSE's enterprise product http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148372#comment-28507 #suse #gnu #linux
[23:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | openSUSE Leap 15.3 Reaches Beta Build Phase | Tux Machines
[23:59]	techrights-bot	#HowTo find #NetworkManager version on Linux - nixCraft https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/check-find-networkmanager-version-on-ubuntu-linux/ it's always the #ibm version ^_^
[23:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cyberciti.biz | How to find NetworkManager version on Linux - nixCraft