●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, April 03, 2022 ●● ● Apr 03 [00:00] matey in terms of survival, capitalism WILL destroy free software, if we let it [00:00] matey they cannot be friends [00:00] matey it doesnt matter how many jews are "nice" to hitler, hes still bent on exterminating them. [00:01] matey capitalism doesnt like fair competition. [00:01] matey free software is TOO FAIR for them. [00:01] MinceR https://files.catbox.moe/9hlm9o.png [00:01] TR Bot connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/9hlm9o.png ) [00:01] matey what people dont realise is, that capitalism predictably devolves into monopoly and attempts to control society by any means necessary [00:01] matey free software is incompatible with THAT. but not capitalism "per se" [00:02] matey but that is what capitalism will continue to do, just like there was never going to be a point where hitler said [00:02] matey "you know what? im tired of taking over europe. i think ill just find a nice jewish woman to settle down with and stop all this megalomania." [00:02] matey its never going to happen! [00:03] matey also, fuck mike godwin. hes a spineless nazi shit. [00:03] matey though MOSTLY thats tongue in cheek. [00:05] psydruid the services revenue model never seems to have taken off either except for very few companies such as Red Hat [00:06] psydruid if people can download and use free software for free (gratis), they aren't going to pay for it for the most part [00:06] matey capitalism pushes this imaginary image of capitalism, where if a bunch of people get together and try to figure out how to be more independent [00:07] matey capitalism itself will not send people to try to destroy that [00:07] *koo5_ has quit (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) [00:07] matey but thats what capitalism does with such things. every. single. time. [00:07] matey co-opt it and/or destroy it. as if turning something into a cynical piece-of-shit meaningless version of itself is really different from "destruction" [00:08] *koo5_ (~quassel@51.140.155.227) has joined #techrights [00:08] psydruid the status quo must be protected because too much is at stake [00:08] matey it turns handcrafts into sweatshops, and high-tech industries into more sweatshops [00:08] matey it really turns every fucking thing into sweatshops-- like amazon and its warehouses [00:08] matey if capitalism was called sweatshopism, people might not like it as much [00:09] matey of course if capitalism was called sweatshopism, it would be a more accurate name [00:09] matey not everything capitalist is sweatshop-related of course [00:09] psydruid sweatshops built on free software, that's freedom [00:09] matey i mean, it takes a long time for EVERYTHING to be turned into sweatshop labour [00:09] matey of every store i go to, right? [00:10] matey the biggest most corporate one is the one that has trouble making change. [00:10] matey EVERY OTHER PLACE i go to can make change, and keep their major appliances working [00:10] matey why? because when something breaks they have to fix it [00:10] matey and when they run out of cash, they send one of their paid staff to the bank to get more. [00:11] matey but the biggest most corporate place i go (which i avoid, except when i cant) cant make change [00:11] matey theyre too cheap to fix things or send someone to the bank [00:11] matey theyre always understaffed, so they have no one they can send [00:11] matey theyd have to close the place. [00:12] matey they need more employees just to carry out the basic functions of the business [00:12] matey but they prefer to have an insufficient number of people doing their job plus several others [00:12] matey and then they berate customers over not doing the job of the business [00:12] matey like its the customers job to play banker, not the buinesses job to send someone to the bank [00:13] matey we need ones! fuck you, send someone to the bank. do i look like wells fargo to you? [00:13] matey when i need something, what do they do? NOTHING [00:13] matey theyre too cheap [00:14] matey why so cheap? undercutting places that give a shit [00:14] psydruid free software was on the path towards enabling people to exercise their freedoms, but then it had to be destroyed because too much freedom is not good for those same people [00:14] bnchs the biggest joke in microsoft vs code [00:15] bnchs they have an extension for vim keybinds [00:15] matey microsoft vim [00:15] matey /me has vi, but not vim (i recommend jed) [00:16] matey jeds not going to cut it for serious vim/emacs users obviously [00:16] matey but i like it better than vi [00:16] psydruid at this point I'm even questioning the validity of the IT/software industry [00:16] matey you should always question industry [00:17] matey the more industrial medicine gets, the more they overwork doctors and nurses and the number of accidents increase [00:17] matey did they take off the wrong leg? probably industry. [00:17] matey the more industrial music gets, the more they suck the dynamic range out of music, take singers like britney spears and [00:17] matey its not like she cant sing. its just that shes more marketable the way she is. [00:17] matey blame industry. [00:17] psydruid if all the jobs that need to be done could be done with a fraction of the developers currently out there, how are the other not so lucky ones going to make a living? [00:18] bnchs yes its one thing i like [00:18] matey industry turns the amazon into wildfires, and it turns vast lands full of tribes into reservations full of alcoholics [00:18] bnchs glorified microsoft vim in a electron app [00:18] bnchs takes up 500% more RAM than the real vim [00:19] matey if all the jobs that need to be done could be done with a fraction of the developers currently out there, how are the other not so lucky ones going to make a living? <- and if capitalism prefers inefficiency and unreliability to a realistic idea of how many people we need on a certain task [00:19] matey how is the entire concept not a fucking farce? [00:19] psydruid that's what I mean [00:19] matey the software industry makes money from revinting the wheel over nad over and over again [00:20] matey but its not enough to reinvent the wheel and LIE and say its new [00:20] matey oh no [00:20] matey you also have to DESTROY all the other fucking wheels with lies and skullduggery [00:20] matey because competition is (by definition) BAD for monopoly [00:20] matey and monopoly is what capitalism REALLY wants [00:20] psydruid and do we pretend to live in this world of make believe or would we rather live in reality [00:21] matey and do we pretend to live in this world of make believe or would we rather live in reality <- theres no easy answer to that question [00:21] matey the not-so-easy answer is that we live in a cult until we cant anymore [00:21] matey and then things get interesting. [00:21] matey but the biding-time-in-a-cult timeframe can last decades [00:22] matey 105 years ago russia overthrew feudalism [00:22] psydruid I'm thinking of doing something not in IT or software at all [00:22] matey I'm thinking of doing something not in IT or software at all <- then what? [00:22] psydruid because what is the whole purpose of it [00:22] psydruid I have many skills [00:22] matey i mean i can answer that at least [00:22] activelow i'll consider jed editor; seems practical [00:23] matey i think jed is too "bloated" for you [00:23] matey but id be happy if you were promoting it as something useful to you [00:23] matey do check it out [00:24] activelow why would jed be bloated? [00:24] matey because what is the whole purpose of it <- i dont think information technology stops being useful when you (hypothetically) get rid of industry and capitalism [00:24] matey if anything, tech needs people who arent married to the industry, more than ever before [00:25] psydruid I would just limit software developments to things that benefit me and people within my circle [00:25] matey thats what free software was [00:25] psydruid I mean, look at MinceR with all of his knowledge and skills [00:25] matey but it didnt see the fatal compromises it was making [00:26] matey I mean, look at MinceR with all of his knowledge and skills <- i know very little about his skills, but he says some things that point to being skilled [00:26] psydruid and they chew and spit someone like him out [00:26] matey im not so much a sceptic as unfamiliar [00:26] matey and they chew and spit someone like him out <- industry has no use for independent thinkers [00:26] matey actually thats half true [00:26] matey step 1 exploit them [00:27] matey step 2 keep them in line [00:27] matey if step 2 fails, step 3 is destroy them [00:27] matey sept 19 2019 [00:27] matey or was it 16th? [00:27] matey i think it was sept 16th [00:27] matey some say 11 [00:28] matey either way "free software 9/11" fits imo [00:28] matey the movement does less now to protect itself [00:28] psydruid sometime around an anniversary at least [00:29] matey rms probably doesnt realise that sept 16th is his half-birthday [00:29] matey he turns n.5 on that day [00:29] matey but no one keeps track of half-birthdays, because its silly to do so [00:30] matey even birthdays themselves are a little bit silly [00:31] matey happy birthday gnu, heres stephen fry (love him really) with a mac (what?) [00:32] matey they swear the mac was running gnu [00:32] bnchs gnu [00:32] matey im sceptical. [00:32] psydruid gnu/microsoft [00:32] matey hai na [00:32] bnchs well macs can run gnu/linux [00:32] psydruid gnu/apple [00:32] matey even with non-free drivers, getting a mac to work with gnu/linux tends to be painful [00:33] matey with gnewsense though? or trisquel? [00:33] psydruid they end up working eventually [00:33] matey thats good [00:33] psydruid and then they stop working again as developers abandon them [00:33] matey yeah [00:33] psydruid for new shiny macs [00:34] matey they must have found the goldilocks version of gnewsense or whatever for the macbook fry was using [00:34] matey though id just as soon believe they lied to cover up the fact that... [00:34] matey i mean i dont KNOW that, but thats just it [00:34] matey how would we know [00:35] matey they didnt document it except after the fact when people were like "wait..." [00:35] matey but the thing is-- if i show that video to anyone [00:35] matey the first thing theyre going to ask me is if gnu will run on a mac [00:35] matey "well..." [00:35] matey "theres always a chance" [00:36] matey ever since then gnu has become more about marketing, a bit less about really fighting [00:37] matey and the mandatory happiness [00:37] matey id love to hear some gnu developers bitch and moan about how much theyve tried to be more free, only to have the industry fuck them over [00:37] matey but that might "alienate" someone [00:37] psydruid more like a "bitchfight" [00:37] matey if the truth alienates people, the people alienated by truth can fuck themselves. [00:38] matey its not like we are shit-talking microsoft just to be dicks [00:38] matey theyve spent the past 20-40 years fucking over everything that moves [00:38] matey its a legitimate gripe-- get used to it! [00:39] matey the struggle for freedom isnt the hold-hands-and-sing drumming circle for freedom [00:39] bnchs matey: you know what else fucked everything that moves? [00:39] matey if you want the unitarian universalists, theyre dotted all over the place if thats your idea of progress [00:39] psydruid why do governments and companies go along with the narrative that their interests are aligned with Microsoft's? [00:40] matey matey: you know what else fucked everything that moves? <- bill gates and jeff epstein? [00:40] bnchs correct! [00:40] matey probably not just a coincidence [00:40] matey why do governments and companies go along with the narrative that their interests are aligned with Microsoft's? <- because at the end of the day, all they give a shit about is monopoly and control [00:40] matey and theyre all in that fight (against each other) together. [00:41] matey because if theres one group of people theyre more against than each other... [00:41] matey its the rest of us. [00:41] DaemonFC Microsoft is like General Motors only instead of a bankruptcy, there's just a perpetual bailout. [00:41] matey in other words, microsoft and google may be out to destroy each other [00:41] DaemonFC If General Motors was left on its own, it would have gone under because people wanted good products and had access to them, and were buying them, and that's why GM failed. [00:41] matey but other than THAT they have common goals. [00:42] DaemonFC But uh oh, here comes the government. [00:42] matey most people and microsoft only have common goals if microsoft lies to them constantly [00:42] DaemonFC Lets GM screw their workers, their creditors, everyone. [00:42] matey in other words, they only THINK they have common goals, but theyre mistaken [00:42] matey thats co-opting and exploitation [00:42] DaemonFC Puts a bunch of taxpayer money from people who chose not to buy GM cars into the company. [00:42] matey its deliberate [00:42] DaemonFC Then left them with the same corrupt idiots that they had all along, so that it could go under again someday. [00:43] matey so google and microsoft are mortal enemies, for a common cause [00:43] matey us peons dont even share the cause. [00:43] DaemonFC GM keeps working, lobbying, against having to make products people want to buy. [00:43] DaemonFC Because they know they'll get bailed out again. [00:43] matey so google and microsoft will happily join hands against us. they can kill each other later. [00:43] matey granted its never that simple [00:43] matey they also try to destroy each other every single day [00:44] matey while holding hands. [00:44] DaemonFC Microoft is a little different. They've been making it aggravating to leave them and things like "Secure Boot" certainly help with that. [00:44] matey and conspiring against a better world [00:44] psydruid why are so few people willing to get out there to destroy Google and Microsoft? [00:44] DaemonFC Because it's like a 20 step process that's impossible to document to get Windows off of a computer now. [00:44] matey why are so few people willing to get out there to destroy Google and Microsoft? <- they know its hopeless [00:44] matey and theyre half-right. [00:44] DaemonFC Lenovo released a guide on how to install Debian and it was a PDF with dozens of pages of step-by-step instructions. [00:44] DaemonFC Half of it was firmware-related. :/ [00:45] matey i know what i know from my own experience-- as a kid i was like OOH, TECH-- BETTER FUTURE! YAY HUMANITY [00:45] matey i shit you not [00:45] psydruid you can find interesting articles if you look for "put $ENTITY out of business" [00:45] matey i went through a technoutopian phase [00:45] matey as a child. [00:45] DaemonFC Microsoft wants all of this stuff that causes compatibility problems and bugs on by default precisely because it adds a hill to climb. [00:45] matey i mean we had pieces of space stations and spyplanes [00:46] matey and with them, stories of triumph of good over evil, and INNOVA~1 over all odds [00:46] matey what CANT technology do? its the only way to escape the solar system when it blows [00:47] matey but i got tired of shitty wars and (rightfully, but naively) blamed republicans [00:47] matey i got this idea that being liberal was the answer [00:47] matey and its very fake, but i thought otherwise [00:47] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:48] matey as it got more openly fake i became sceptical, but the republicans were still losers, i had no interest in them [00:48] matey two things got me into libertarianism [00:48] matey 1. i moved where there were LOTS of libertarians [00:49] matey 2. mostly free software showed me a world (so i thought) where progressive ideas could work without government :) [00:49] matey to me, free software proved that libertarianism wasnt political masturbation [00:49] matey and then it fell over and died, so so much for that [00:50] matey oh, and libertarianism is doing JUST GREAT giving zero fucks about the events of the past few years [00:50] matey good job. [00:50] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:50] matey if i wanted a straw man (an unfair caricature) of libertarianism on that issue, we have crystal for that [00:51] matey but the shoe fits [00:51] matey the only that convinced me (as an adult at least) that maybe something LIKE capitalism could work was free software not getting destroyed by capitalism [00:52] matey and then capitalism destroyed both free software and then its founder in a 2-year span [00:52] matey and the libertarians made a nice stink about it [00:52] activelow "free software" is a politically motivated misnomer [00:52] matey and then proceeded to do PRETTY MUCH fuck-all [00:52] activelow psydruid proposed "free computing" instead, to cover freedom of science, academic freedom, free software, and hardware (which cannot be separated from free software) [00:53] matey "free software" is a politically motivated misnomer <- id protest, if i thought your charge that free sw/free hs was actually a dichotomy was bunk [00:53] matey psydruid proposed "free computing" instead <- hes smart like that [00:53] matey free computing is the future [00:53] matey without free computing, free software is fucked [00:54] matey and the libertarians proceeded to do PRETTY MUCH fuck-all [00:54] matey which imo (at this point) is a predictable pattern [00:54] matey washing its hands of everything is what libertarianism does best [00:54] matey it DOES, i suppose, pretend that this is for a good cause. its non-interventionist, they say [00:55] matey but theyre happy to intervene whenever it aligns with their interests [00:55] matey i consider it bunk [00:55] matey all that was missing was a viable alternative [00:55] *bnchs (~bnchs@nb947fmx3qr74.irc) has joined #techrights [00:55] matey anti-capitalism is nice but it seemed both unnecessary and nearly impossible [00:55] matey that was then, of course [00:56] matey i was mostly neutral about anti-capitalism, and my neutrality invited its advocates [00:56] matey we are convinced that free software and capitalism cannot, will never co-exist [00:56] matey okay, well i would choose freedom over capitalism any day [00:57] matey i only needed convincing that capitalism will never give us freedom [00:57] matey im convinced [00:57] matey either way, it killed free software (for now) and i wont forgive that [00:57] matey not today, not ever [00:58] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@3rg2vuuz5nsw4.irc) has joined #techrights [00:58] matey it killed one of my ten favourite things in the world [00:58] matey the others wont be named here, though honestly, its not too hard to guess [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 13.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 351.15 [00:59] matey the weirdest thing i love by far is free software [00:59] bnchs the techdoom [00:59] matey the techdoom <- straw man [00:59] matey hypemen are destroying the fucking internet [00:59] bnchs well i'm sorry [00:59] matey the hype needs to fucking die ● Apr 03 [01:00] matey well i'm sorry <- im not interested in their bullshit [01:00] matey the more they pretend everything is fine, they more they sell free software to fucking aquaman [01:00] matey aquaman can start his own fucking software empire imo [01:00] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [01:00] matey rms wasnt exactly mr. happy either [01:00] matey when he saw bullshit, thats what he called it [01:01] matey some people LIKE bullshit [01:01] matey i dont. [01:01] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@3rg2vuuz5nsw4.irc) has joined #techrights [01:01] matey its an insult [01:01] matey im being blamed for "doom" when all im saying is "all this happy gumdrop marshmellow crap is going to give you intellectual fucking diabetes" [01:01] bnchs well yeah [01:01] matey you know what free software is now? [01:01] matey ALL NATURAL. [01:02] matey two words, used together, to mean absolutely FUCK ALL [01:02] bnchs maybe it should be mixed with a little salt [01:02] matey and all im saying is [01:02] matey dying from cancer is ALL NATURAL [01:02] bnchs maybe [01:02] matey aids is all natural [01:02] bnchs but i shouldnt get 200% salr [01:02] matey but i shouldnt get 200% salr <- ? [01:02] activelow free software? a facade, a misnomer. [01:03] bnchs yes it shouldnt be 100% sweet [01:03] bnchs nor 100% salt [01:03] bnchs you can mix a little salt [01:03] matey you may have missed it when psydroid talked about quitting computing altogether [01:03] matey and i said no, that would be a terrible idea [01:04] bnchs but maybe i dont want to have intellectual diabetes nor demovitation [01:04] matey " nor demovitation" motivation based on bullshit only leads people to self-defeat [01:04] matey if you want a pep talk, ill give you one based on things i think will actually help you [01:04] matey not based on blowing sunshine up your anus [01:04] matey its not fucking hopeless [01:04] bnchs yeah i know [01:04] matey its just REALLY BAD [01:05] matey most of my associates are more optimistic than i am [01:05] matey but theres a reason for that [01:06] matey and its not because theyre dumb. its because they know more about the things that give them hope [01:06] matey the more i learn about those things, the more optimistic i am [01:06] bnchs i'm optimistic [01:06] matey but optimism for optimisms sake is ignorance [01:06] bnchs because i do see a future in computing [01:06] matey i do too [01:06] bnchs giving up would make it worse [01:06] matey i agree [01:06] matey and i told psydroid that in this very conversation [01:07] matey but all the bullshitters out there, what they do is [01:07] matey they say "join us! we can help you fight!" [01:07] bnchs oh [01:07] matey and you waste a year or two and realise they never cared about any of that [01:07] matey they lied [01:07] activelow given the compiler situation, i am having difficulties to envision any future for "free software" [01:08] matey given the compiler situation, i am having difficulties to envision any future for "free software" <- thats because the real future is in newer, simpler compilers [01:08] matey it doesnt mean eradicating all the complex ones [01:08] activelow exactly, however, "free software" cannot be compiled with those [01:08] matey it means NOT building everything to RELY on those [01:08] matey "free software" cannot be compiled with those <- as-is. [01:08] matey true enough. but not hopeless [01:08] psydruid I wouldn't completely give up on computing, but in the context of making a living developing software that means nothing to me [01:09] matey but in the context of making a living developing software <- i mean i consider that an incredible waste of time, yes [01:09] activelow gcc-4.7 is rather old already, no aarch64 support yet, at least sufficed to verify some base-system profile with, in preparation for tinycc [01:09] matey but if someone has the time and makes the money [01:09] matey and still understands whats at stake and gives a shit and acts on that... [01:09] psydruid because look at all of those job ads, they're terrible [01:09] matey well the industry is a mountain of shit, theres no question [01:09] matey id rather arrange flowers for a living than write software for a company [01:10] matey thanks to monsanto of course, id almost certainly be arranging flowers for microsoft-- I MEAN THIS IS GETTING FUCKING RIDICULOUS! [01:10] matey and the flowers example wasnt a setup for that punchline-- it goes back to when i was in my 20s. [01:13] matey dont look for a job with an ethical industry though [01:13] matey there arent any ethical industries [01:14] matey i dont blame you for avoiding the it industry though, it will eat your soul [01:14] matey theres a strong argument to be made for avoiding the industry closest to what you love to do [01:14] psydruid I already worked in that industry and it ate my soul [01:14] matey so lesson learned [01:15] matey work for an industry, if any, that isnt so close to what you really love [01:15] matey its not like you have to do something you hate, or that you dont care about at all [01:15] psydruid so I am not looking forward to being sucked back into something that has since turned into something even worse [01:15] matey but at least try to keep your favourite thing away fro your job [01:16] matey so I am not looking forward to being sucked back into something that has since turned into something even worse <- so it your way [01:16] matey so do it your way ^ [01:16] matey and fuck what the industry wants [01:16] matey after all, the industry loves a summer romance [01:16] matey the only thing microsoft is married to is windows, and thats going about as well as bill and melinda right now [01:16] matey the industry likes to stick and move [01:17] matey it will give up on systemd-- after systemd has destroyed everything in its wake [01:18] matey so wiating for systemd to be abandoned is a failing strategy that ignores its intended purpose [01:18] psydruid I don't know anything about windows and I don't know how to write anything but generic software for it in C, C++, Java and Scala [01:18] matey and thats just an example of a very typical pattern [01:18] matey I don't know anything about windows <- windows is utterly useless [01:18] matey i followed reactos for years and gave up [01:18] matey ive got a screen cap of my favourite programming language running in reactos [01:19] matey just getting python installed in ros was a fucking hoot [01:19] psydruid ReactOS devs are hardcore Microsoft fans [01:19] matey yep, their work is of no use to me [01:19] psydruid that is their biggest problem [01:19] matey except they sometimes help wine [01:19] matey and ive used wine for a couple things [01:19] matey probably never again. [01:20] matey if you stop using the linux kernel, wine... does what exactly? [01:20] matey but even when i used gnu/linux my use of wine was incredibly spare [01:20] psydruid Linux developers at least made changes compared to Solaris and BSD where they deemed those adequate [01:20] matey not always for the better [01:20] matey but i wont pretend all of that was useless [01:21] matey i even like the gnu version of cut better than the openbsd version [01:21] matey but awk fulfils the same purpose without bothering to compile cut from gnu [01:21] matey and i mean awk, not gnu awk [01:22] matey the people point to the gnu coding standards being obsolete [01:22] matey maybe its fud, it seems legit [01:23] activelow long-term i'll not accept anything into the bapho base system which doesn't compile with TinyCC; let's see what remains [01:23] activelow currently, i haven't got a kernel anymore, given this [01:23] activelow situation [01:23] matey currently, i haven't got a kernel anymore <- thats so gnu [01:24] matey you should call it baphgnuos [01:24] activelow tinycc isn't a gnu project, although it is gpl2 iirc [01:24] matey tinycc isn't a gnu projec <- its listed in the fsd at least [01:24] activelow i feel that desperate about it; i am considering to fully depart into 8/16bit realm with free hardware there [01:25] matey i feel that desperate about it; i am considering to fully depart into 8/16bit realm with free hardware there <- if thats what it takes [01:25] activelow and, i required almost a decade, to review this [01:25] matey one of the people who talked at libreplanet this year has a 6502 internet project [01:25] matey on hackaday [01:25] activelow needless to say, without income generated [01:26] matey needless to say, without income generated <- what do you live on, pension or savings? [01:26] activelow yet, the entire 8/16bit realm is only interesting if, and only if, it is free hardware, and doesn't require proprietary tooling nearby [01:26] activelow which is often the case, microchip vendors and tools require an IBM Wintel PC nearby, to program, flash, compile whatever [01:26] matey yet, the entire 8/16bit realm is only interesting if, and only if, it is free hardware, and doesn't require proprietary tooling nearby <- fair [01:26] activelow Altera? Xilinx? no thanks. [01:26] psydruid I wouldn't go below 32-bit and ideally 64-bit [01:27] matey i dont like 64 bit because it demands so much ram [01:27] psydruid but doing free computing with those may be tricky or even impossible [01:27] matey on a machine with "only" a few gigs, its such a waste [01:28] matey or even impossible <- lrowe and i see hope there, maybe its real [01:28] psydruid on ARM it's a completely different instruction set [01:28] matey of course [01:28] psydruid that is much saner than whatever came before [01:29] matey i hear the nvidia deal floundered [01:29] matey when i heard this, i linked to the crab rave [01:29] activelow free computing didn't arrive at anything "better" than 8/16bit Z80/Gigatron/6502 yet [01:29] matey it seemed the most appropriate response [01:30] activelow and even then, as soon as a digital scope is nearby, those aren't free [01:31] activelow meanwhile, analog scope manufacturing seems gone, inclduding traditional vendors such as Rohde&Schwarz or Hameg... they're all digital now [01:31] psydruid I've read that the simplest RISC-V core requires only 20,000 gates [01:31] activelow equipped with Xilinx, and gorious support from IBM Wintel [01:31] psydruid which is still a lot more than what Sam Zeloof can work with [01:32] psydruid but I think it should be doable in the not too distant future [01:33] matey every time ive moved from one platform to another [01:33] activelow that's another issue with "free software", the priorities, of what's important and what isn't [01:33] matey the priorities, of what's important and what isn't <- no shit [01:34] matey every time ive moved from one platform to another, ive prioritised one thing [01:34] matey a toolset that is as portable from one platform to another as possible [01:34] psydruid https://semiengineering.com/a-minimal-risc-v/ [01:34] Alternative link Cloudflare: semiengineering.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://semiengineering.com/a-minimal-risc-v/ [01:34] TR Bot A Minimal RISC-V [01:34] activelow matey: pencil and paper [01:35] matey by the time i moved to openbsd, i had practically nothing that wouldnt either run on bsd, or be trivial to adapt to it [01:35] matey one notable exception is my distro project-- it mostly relies on things that are gnu/linux-only [01:35] DaemonFC https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-killed-by-poisoned-food-alcohol-ukrainian-officials-2022-4 [01:35] Alternative link Cloudflare: businessinsider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-killed-by-poisoned-food-alcohol-ukrainian-officials-2022-4 [01:35] TR Bot Russian Troops Killed by Poisoned Food, Alcohol: Ukrainian Officials [01:35] matey but my distro project was based on the idea that gnu/linux could be salvaged [01:35] matey i find little evidence for that [01:36] psydruid a large part of that is not becoming dependent on anything that is specific to an operating system [01:36] matey i also had no alternatives at the time [01:36] matey a large part of that is not becoming dependent on anything that is specific to an operating system <- this is mostly a simpler way of saying what i was trying to say [01:36] matey at least its most of what i was trying to say [01:37] matey gnu is doing nothing to keep track of the war against it [01:37] matey i find no evidence that the fsf is keeping track of the war against it [01:37] matey gnu is busy installing screen doors on its submarines [01:38] psydruid the fsf will exist until some day it doesn't [01:38] matey i wonder how long it will take exactly [01:38] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:39] matey 10% of it will be around a whole lot longer than 90% of it [01:39] matey sort of like npr [01:39] matey ive been comparing the fsf to npr for years [01:39] activelow npr? [01:39] matey american national public radio [01:39] matey similar idea as bbc radio but american [01:40] matey sabotaged by nixon many decades ago [01:40] matey and bush junior a couple decades ago [01:40] matey and absolutely no bachman turner overdrive (though some might consider it a plus, listeners) [01:41] *bnchs (~bnchs@nb947fmx3qr74.irc) has joined #techrights [01:41] matey bnchs whats your favourite thing about tech (preferably software) [01:42] matey im a hypocrite, probably my favourite thing at the moment is the idea of free silicon [01:42] matey it cant be helped [01:44] psydruid we had to wait for such a long time for open instruction sets to become available, although there was already openrisc [01:45] activelow 68k, mips/32, sparc/64, z80, 6502, gigatron [01:45] activelow 10mbit ethernet is available, usb1 [01:46] activelow don't know, about hdmi and/or vga [01:46] activelow almost forgot, j-core turtle board [01:46] matey we had to wait for such a long time for open instruction sets to become available <- although i foresaw fpga, i honestly didnt think industry had it in it to allow such a thing to exist [01:47] matey i was very excited to see a picture of one on the cover of scientific american [01:47] activelow currently, there isn't at least some 100% free and opensource (both hardware and software) VT100 VGA/PS2 terminal [01:47] matey it wasnt as exciting as the moon landing, which i wasnt around for of course, but something changed [01:48] matey fpgas are a big deal imo. and free silicon brings that feeling with it [01:48] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:49] activelow some ICE40 from Olimex seemed decent, with 512KiB SRAM, however this wouldn't be fast enough for VGA 640x480 16 colors, to terminate VT100 with [01:49] matey /me thinks olimex are cunts [01:49] psydruid we should have a lot more vendors of fpgas [01:49] activelow matey: why? [01:50] matey i talked to one of them, he seemed like one [01:50] matey i admit this isnt terribly scientific [01:50] matey then again if i phrased it that way, i wouldnt expect anyone to mistake it for the results of a harvard study [01:50] matey at any rate my point in saying so was only this [01:50] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:50] matey if olimex doesnt have the solution to your issue, meh, just keep looking [01:51] activelow with gigatron ttl i am not entirely sure, about the software, and the ROM [01:51] activelow in any case, with free computing, there won't be internet anymore [01:51] *bnchs (~bnchs@hvcr5hqdxwcq6.irc) has joined #techrights [01:51] psydruid the only way to find out is to try [01:51] matey with free computing, there won't be internet anymore <- if you see it as only removing things, okay [01:52] matey i am focused on removing things from a list of what i consider truly free software [01:52] matey but [01:52] matey thats just the first step [01:52] matey once we have enough idea whats free, we can build up again [01:52] matey and of course, just because im busy measuring, im not telling anybody to wait until im ready [01:53] matey if they want to go ahead and make something REALLY REALLY free right now, im not telling them not to [01:53] activelow the idea, to limit compiler to TinyCC, is a first criteria, to see what remains (both hardware and software) [01:53] matey its a good idea [01:54] activelow i'll keep BaphometOS, with as little maintenance as possible, to navigate some books and things necessary; and rather focus on z80/gigatron stuff [01:55] activelow 1) finish BaphometOS, to fully replace/drop GCC entirely, and compile everything beginning from u-boot loader, kernel, and the userspace with TinyCC [01:55] activelow currently, i downgraded gcc to v4.7, and patched kernel to remove some c11 voodoo [01:56] matey /me thinks a german fork of "u-boot" would be too fucking funny [01:56] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:56] psydruid I think it is German [01:56] matey thats funny [01:56] matey its only one letter different from u-boat [01:56] psydruid it was originally ppcboot [01:57] matey maybe it was deliberate then [01:57] psydruid das u-boot [01:57] matey deliberate then? [01:57] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@mzny54yzqx8ni.irc) has joined #techrights [01:57] matey all this time it was pun intended and i didnt know? [01:57] psydruid it looks like it [01:57] matey ffs [01:57] activelow 2) then depart to gitatron/z80/...; because i doubt it will be possible to keep at least BaphometOS alive (c-only/no-c++ uboot, kernel, userspace) [01:57] activelow with u-boot, a nasty dependency sneaked into, to support their FDT firmware format: python swift -> c++ [01:58] matey i think if enough people know about baphometos someone might keep it alive in spirit at least [01:58] activelow so, an older version of u-boot is required maybe (not sure yet), and with it, even older aarch32 hardware, if at all [01:58] matey be nice if someone did the same for openbsd [01:58] activelow anyway, this won't be acceptable to BaphometOS: UEFI or any proprietary firmware for GPU/WiFi, proprietary BIOS [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 41.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 33.70 average k/sec., average swarm size 333.53 [01:59] matey good [01:59] matey what youve created is a really good tool for exposing industry doublespeak ● Apr 03 [02:00] psydruid these cheap boards are much more powerful than what they're being given credit for [02:00] activelow to bring back TinyCC, i'll need to implement some missing ASM processing for aarch32 (aarch64 asm isn't supported at all yet) [02:01] *bnchs (~bnchs@agnijxsqk8pd4.irc) has joined #techrights [02:01] psydruid even the lowest-end chips are more powerful than Pentium III processors [02:01] activelow maybe, it is possible to implement RISC-V, or SH2 for tinycc; however that has no priority; and before that, any known-good architecture needs to be verified, such as aarch32 to compile u-boot and kernel [02:02] psydruid it's just that software became worse faster [02:02] activelow soon, i'll know, if and how much of the baphomet userspace compiles with tinycc (aarch32), and how fast [02:03] activelow at first glance, i had seen pass some autoconf/configure runs already, with tinycc in place, and this was alot faster already than gcc-4.7, although there was little to nothing to compile during configure phase [02:04] matey it's just that software became worse faster <- because industry is a fucking fashion show [02:04] activelow now imagine this, the bigger compile jobs, if an entire distro can be compiled in an hour or two, on a tiny cortex a53 quadcore, with 1GiB RAM [02:05] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:05] activelow which too is a huge leap, for free and opensource software, to actually work from source, always, and this being fast and efficient [02:05] activelow and a cheapo RPI3 sufficed for this [02:07] activelow which is another reason, why "free software" is a misnomer, because most "distros" are distributed as binary [02:08] activelow with the argument, that's supposedly faster, instead of asking why source-based workflow was slow and cumbersome [02:11] activelow btw. the first *nix i worked with wasn't GNU/Linux, it was OpenBSD i learned with, because OpenBSD actually did take care, developers can work efficiently from _source_ [02:12] activelow however, i did realize, the complex dependency tracking necessary, wasn't possible anymore, hence gentoo portage [02:12] activelow yet, this reasoning is relatively shallow, given the severity of issues involved, with the status of free software, free computing, and academic freedom [02:13] *bnchs (~bnchs@xqzhtxpfuwtz2.irc) has joined #techrights [02:14] matey with the status of free software, free computing, and academic freedom <- indeed [02:16] TR News This Kyle Wiens talk, repair is not a crime, is an excellent talk about how warranty-voiding stickers are basically illegal http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/fight-to-repair/ [02:16] TR Bot Kyle Wiens on Right to Repair or Fight to Repair | Techrights [02:18] matey by the way mincer schestowitz this is from 2019, regarding this code of conduct / code of ethics stuff [02:18] TR News Ubuntu 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish) Final Beta released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163197#comment-33268 [02:18] TR Bot Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Beta Released with GNOME 42 Desktop, Linux Kernel 5.15 LTS | Tux Machines [02:18] matey i havent looked at this since 2019, i just found it while going through some files [02:18] matey > Have an organizational wide policy document that applies to all staff, directors, and representatives. It should explain the purpose of the org, how decisions are made, what its values are, etc. And it must have a code of conduct/ethics policy for all employees and directors [02:19] matey thats joshua gay [02:19] TR News The 4.14.275 stable kernel is out [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/890067/ Source: LWN | Kernel | Linux [02:19] TR Bot 4.14.275 stable kernel is out [LWN.net] [02:19] matey i was highly critical of what he was saying... but note this wording: [02:19] matey " And it must have a code of conduct/ethics policy" [02:20] matey here its 2022 and the big agenda is adding a "code of (corporate, hypocritical, whataboutist) 'ethics'" to the existing code of conduct [02:20] matey and joshua gay already had that on his wishlist in 2019 [02:21] schestowitz-TR without CoC, how can corporations eject people? [02:21] schestowitz-TR can we have a CoC for rejecting unwanted corporations? [02:21] matey no because thats reversism [02:21] matey which is the doctrine that you cant make any conduct or ethical policy that works both ways [02:22] schestowitz-TR right, and companies are "people" [02:22] schestowitz-TR and feel "hurt" [02:22] matey that would defeat the entire goal of it being one-sided, hypocritical, opportunist and altogether bullshit [02:22] schestowitz-TR microsoct cried for DAYS [02:22] matey all the way to the swiss bank [02:22] schestowitz-TR because people said Microsoft was naughty for serving ICE [02:22] matey right [02:22] matey instead of thinking about the victims of ice nazis [02:23] matey we should consider the feelings of people making millions in suits and ties [02:23] matey goddamnit theyre people too (sort of) [02:24] matey but the thing is [02:24] matey the coup has wanted this code of ethics bullshit [02:24] matey (it is bullshit, because these things are always opportunist, hypocritical and one-sided) since 2019 [02:24] matey "And it must have a code of conduct/ethics policy for all employees and directors" joshua gay [02:25] matey i dont even know where its from [02:25] TR News "I've been meaning to try about Sway and Wayland for quite a while and now it's finally happening but was it worth the wait and will I keep using, you'll find out today." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0BLH1QMtiBA [02:25] TR Bot First Look At Wlroots Wayland: Is It Usable? - Invidious [02:25] matey but i know i quoted it and then provided my own commentary [02:25] matey and its dated 2019 [02:25] TR News 7 Privacy-Focused Alternatives to Common Linux Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163291 [02:25] TR Bot 7 Privacy-Focused Alternatives to Common Linux Software | Tux Machines [02:25] matey it could even be from chat logs for all i know [02:26] DaemonFC I haven't heard mjg59_ make an opinion on the Microsoft GitHub Loves I.C.E. issue. I'd love to, considering that he was using GitHub I believe, last I checked. [02:26] matey im 80% sure its from twitter though [02:26] DaemonFC For his "kernel lockdown" stuff. [02:26] matey "Here are some ideas to consider as the @fsf board and @johns_FSF plot a course for the future." [02:27] matey i should also of course give a giant flying fuck about johns_FSF and his feelings [02:27] DaemonFC Microsoft. Where I.C.E. goes to run their internment camps. [02:27] DaemonFC Very SJW friendly, those people. [02:27] matey "the @fsf board and @johns_FSF" [02:27] DaemonFC Like literally, they comment on his Shitter account and everything. [02:27] matey johns_fsf left, but the board did their code of ethics anyway [02:27] matey this year [02:28] DaemonFC Sometimes even about ME! [02:28] matey it was josh that wanted it, so it must be a good idea [02:28] DaemonFC This Ubuntu image is massive. [02:28] DaemonFC Nearly 3 GB now. :/ [02:29] matey oh and just to tie it into the coup... heres the date [02:29] matey 18 Sep 2019 [02:29] DaemonFC Remember when it fit on a CD? [02:29] matey have a coup, wait 3 years, implement what the coup wants and then call it "a failure" [02:29] DaemonFC Eh, Windows 10 needed at least 16 GB for the thumb drive. [02:29] matey great plan, fsf [02:29] DaemonFC Should be enough for anyone, really. [02:29] matey *thumbs up* [02:30] matey ) Have an organizational wide policy document that applies to all staff, directors, and representatives. It should explain the purpose of the org, how decisions are made, what its values are, etc. And it must have a code of conduct/ethics policy for all employees and directors [02:30] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:30] matey they did this in 2022 as well: [02:30] matey 3) With a real policy framework, consider becoming a true membership org [02:30] matey "where members can form committees and can be more directly involved." [02:31] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [02:31] matey the boards take on this (so far) is to let them nominate board members [02:31] matey that was implemented in 2022 [02:31] matey josh wanted it two days after stallman was ousted [02:31] matey techrights called it progress [02:32] matey i said (2 1/2 years ago) that done wrong, these things would make the fsf more like osi [02:32] matey with the same vulnerabilities to (further) corporate takeover [02:32] matey similar to the "transformation" under phipps, followed by microsoft occupying and gutting it [02:33] matey im sure that wont happen to the fsf though, because of exceptionalism [02:33] matey the fsf can do exactly what osi did, and magically things wont turn out the same way [02:33] matey thats the power of gnu [02:33] matey i guess we will see soon enough [02:34] matey maybe the state of free software will be "the state of free software and how we can give joshua gay everything he asked for on behalf of whomever" [02:34] matey by the way, where did he go after he left the fsf? [02:34] matey maybe it will give us some clue who he was speaking for (no guarantee, it wasnt necessarily tied to his professional work) [02:35] matey i know that joshua gay isnt the mastermind of all this [02:36] TR News Links 03/04/2022: 4.14.275 and Otter 1.0.0 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/otter-1-0-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/02/otter-1-0-0/ [02:36] TR Bot Links 03/04/2022: 4.14.275 and Otter 1.0.0 | Techrights [02:36] matey by the way, i should also point this out: [02:36] matey 4) Holding copyright, the GNU trademark, and setting policy for GNU via control of certain essential documents make you more than just a sponsor of the GNU Project. [02:37] matey so the next item on the agenda IS to make the fsf to the gnu trademark closer to what lf is to the linux trademark [02:37] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. 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[02:40] schestowitz "I applaud Microsoft " [02:40] schestowitz They paid him [02:40] matey most likely [02:41] matey and of course of all the things microsoft supports [02:41] matey act | apple was the worst of it by far [02:42] matey hell they could polish their image just by subscribing to a bunch of wank then "withdrawing support" [02:42] TR News Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-04-02.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-04-02.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now) [02:42] matey why not [02:42] TR News "Dr. Roy Schestowitz is the #1 Microsoft hater." http://www.fosspatents.com/2022/04/microsoft-rightly-withdrew-support-for.html [02:43] *bnchs (~bnchs@xqzhtxpfuwtz2.irc) has joined #techrights [02:45] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@fzp3zhdnu3dyn.irc) has joined #techrights [02:46] TR News Cisco calling everything clown https://www.fiercetelecom.com/cloud/ciscos-intersight-hci-platform-supports-kubernetes-clusters [02:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: fiercetelecom.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fiercetelecom.com/cloud/ciscos-intersight-hci-platform-supports-kubernetes-clusters [02:46] TR Bot Ciscos Intersight hybrid cloud supports Kubernetes clusters | Fierce Telecom [02:49] DaemonFC The new theme in Ubuntu 22.04 is nice at least. [02:51] TR News Idiots pushing spy meters, in-house surveillance essentially, based on fictional claims of "savings" https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk-news/kettle-trick-save-energy-bills-23527816 [02:51] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk-news/kettle-trick-save-energy-bills-23527816 ) [02:52] TR News And pushing spy meters again https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/cost-of-living/meter-reading-energy-price-april-23518966 [02:52] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/cost-of-living/meter-reading-energy-price-april-23518966 ) [02:54] TR News Intelligent [sic] escalator https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-09498-x [02:54] Alternative link Cloudflare: nature.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-09498-x [02:54] TR Bot Intelligent escalator passenger safety management | Scientific Reports [02:54] TR News Boston Dynamics: when we don't kill people we at least kill people's jobs https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/02/boston_dynamics_robot_stretch/ [02:54] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/02/boston_dynamics_robot_stretch/ [02:54] TR Bot Boston Dynamics' latest robot is a warehouse workhorse The Register [02:56] TR News Wales Online rewriting Falklands War "history"; our regime will do a lot of work on revisionism, to highlight UK role in a flattering way... [02:58] TR News April 3: Argentine forces take South Georgia. [02:59] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:59] TR News forbes propping up scams. "NFT".. "crypto"... 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TotalIn: 22 GB TotalOut: 4.7 GB [03:12] TR News El Reg writes about mindless buzzwords, citing Microsoft propaganda outfit Forrester Research [sic] https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/02/asus-tinker-edge-r-sbc-with-3gb-ram-rockchip-rk3399pro/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/Forrester [03:12] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/02/asus-tinker-edge-r-sbc-with-3gb-ram-rockchip-rk3399pro/ [03:12] TR Bot ASUS Tinker Edge R SBC with 3GB RAM, Rockchip RK3399Pro sells for $179 - CNX Software [03:12] TR Bot Forrester - Techrights [03:12] IPFS New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. 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[03:14] TR News Apple never cared about security; it's a "rat" for the NSA https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/apple_emergency_patches/ [03:14] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/apple_emergency_patches/ [03:14] TR Bot Apple patches 'exploited' macOS, iOS, iPadOS security bugs The Register [03:16] TR News "Michael Barker surveys some of the alternative APIs available on various platforms, discussing some of the implementation pitfalls. He also looks at the impact of using these APIs." https://www.infoq.com/presentations/posix-networking-api/ [03:16] TR Bot Beyond POSIX - Adventures in Alternative Networking APIs [03:17] TR News "Tomorrow will be four years to the day that I started this site." Boosting Gulag. But at least a GNU/Linux based OS. https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/as-lacros-for-chromebooks-nears-is-it-time-for-more-google-chrome-coverage/ [03:17] Alternative link Cloudflare: aboutchromebooks.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/as-lacros-for-chromebooks-nears-is-it-time-for-more-google-chrome-coverage/ [03:17] TR Bot As Lacros for Chromebooks nears, is it time for more Google Chrome coverage? About Chromebooks [03:20] TR News Perfect fit for Microsoft! https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/activision-blizzard-settlement [03:20] TR Bot Blizzard settles federal sexual harassment suit, but its legal woes are just beginning - Protocol [03:21] TR News ISIS partner and patent troll Ericsson embraces mindless buzzword to sell hype and more buzzwords https://www.ericsson.com/en/reports-and-papers/ericsson-technology-review/articles/5g-architecture-for-hybrid-and-multi-cloud-environments [03:21] Alternative link Cloudflare: ericsson.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ericsson.com/en/reports-and-papers/ericsson-technology-review/articles/5g-architecture-for-hybrid-and-multi-cloud-environments [03:21] TR Bot architecture for hybrid and multi-cloud environments - Ericsson [03:23] TR News Mindless greenwashing of massive polluters like Google and Microsoft https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/corporate-procurement/can-24-7-carbon-free-energy-become-a-global-standard see http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/ [03:23] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/corporate-procurement/can-24-7-carbon-free-energy-become-a-global-standard ) [03:23] Alternative link Cloudflare: canarymedia.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/corporate-procurement/can-24-7-carbon-free-energy-become-a-global-standard [03:23] TR Bot Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights [03:24] TR News Bitcoins proof of work mechanism is a climate disaster. Environmental groups have a fix. https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/bitcoin-mining-proof-of-work [03:24] TR Bot groups start bitcoin campaign to reduce energy use - Protocol [03:24] TR News Get rid of the darn patents; Biden has done virtually nothing except he talked about it. https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/biden-seeks-21b-funding-boost-fda-part-pan-agency-pandemic-preparedness-plan [03:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: fiercebiotech.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/biden-seeks-21b-funding-boost-fda-part-pan-agency-pandemic-preparedness-plan [03:24] TR Bot Biden seeks $2.1B funding boost for FDA, part of pan-agency pandemic preparedness plan | Fierce Biotech [03:26] TR News Pushing plagiarism for the Microsoft criminals who came up with this thing https://www.infoworld.com/article/3655991/github-copilot-available-for-microsoft-visual-studio-2022.html see http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/ [03:26] TR Bot Copilot available for Microsoft Visual Studio 2022 | InfoWorld [03:26] TR Bot [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley (Updated) | Techrights [03:27] TR News Clown computing hype, as if hosting did not predate the hype wave https://mindmatters.ai/2022/03/getting-started-with-kubernetes-a-brief-history-of-cloud-hosting/ [03:27] Alternative link Cloudflare: mindmatters.ai | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://mindmatters.ai/2022/03/getting-started-with-kubernetes-a-brief-history-of-cloud-hosting/ [03:27] TR Bot Getting Started with Kubernetes: A Brief History of Cloud Hosting | Mind Matters [03:28] TR News What if OpenSSF does not pursue real security? https://itbrief.co.nz/story/free-security-training-from-the-open-source-security-foundation http://techrights.org/2020/10/30/openssf-microsoft/ [03:28] TR Bot Free security training from the Open Source Security Foundation [03:28] TR Bot With Microsoft in Charge, OpenSSF Seems More Like Its About Back Doors Not Real Security Inside the Linux Foundation | Techrights [03:29] TR News Mozilla keeps messing up the Firefox UI https://www.osnews.com/story/134730/firefox-ui-ux-history/ [03:29] Alternative link Cloudflare: osnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.osnews.com/story/134730/firefox-ui-ux-history/ [03:29] TR Bot UI UX history OSnews [03:30] *matey (~matey@ftgrpexbhfxyc.irc) has joined #techrights [03:31] TR News More Linux Foundation puff pieces/ads https://devops.com/fixing-spring4shell-starts-with-software-supply-chain-management/ [03:31] Alternative link Cloudflare: devops.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://devops.com/fixing-spring4shell-starts-with-software-supply-chain-management/ [03:31] TR Bot Spring4Shell Starts With Software Supply Chain Management - DevOps.com [03:32] TR News "OpenStack's 25th release brings the usual crop of new features to the open-source cloud platform, including support for DPUs, better integration with Prometheus and Kubernetes, and a handy un-delete feature for file system shares." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/openstack_yoga_stretches_to_support/ [03:32] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/openstack_yoga_stretches_to_support/ [03:32] TR Bot OpenStack Yoga marks 12 years of the framework The Register [03:33] TR News and harms culture https://www.post-gazette.com/ae/music/2022/04/02/side-door-home-concert-app-music-industry-tech-sxsw-presentation-dan-mangan/stories/202203170144 [03:33] Alternative link Cloudflare: post-gazette.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.post-gazette.com/ae/music/2022/04/02/side-door-home-concert-app-music-industry-tech-sxsw-presentation-dan-mangan/stories/202203170144 [03:33] TR Bot tech revolutionizes the music industry, one house concert at a time | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette [03:34] TR News Imagine not being able to add fuel to your car anonymously https://insideevs.com/news/576531/new-charging-protocol-tesla-supercharger-convenience/ [03:34] TR Bot New Charging Protocol May Bring Tesla Supercharger Convenience To All EVs [03:35] TR News This is the distro I now use on a new machine https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/neon-a-wannabe-linux-distro-for-kde-lovers-86133.html [03:35] TR Bot A Wannabe Linux Distro For KDE Lovers | LinuxInsider [03:36] TR News DDOS attack on Techrights at the moment... mitigating [03:37] TR News NSA developed more malicious spying programs; its concern isn't human rights but people who speak about it https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/nsa_employee_secret_data_leak/ [03:37] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/nsa_employee_secret_data_leak/ [03:37] TR Bot NSA employee indicted for 'leaking top secret defense info' The Register [03:38] TR News Regimes that do not respect the desires of home to be and remain COVID-free https://chicagomaroon.com/article/2022/3/30/classroom-settings-go-mask-optional-starting-april-4/ [03:38] TR Bot Most Classroom Settings to Go Mask-Optional Starting April 4 [03:39] schestowitz (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D191.jpg [03:39] schestowitz (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D549.jpg [03:53] *matey has quit (connection closed) [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.28 k/sec., IPFS upstream 58.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 376.63 ● Apr 03 [04:01] TR News Roberto Innocenti on Open Hardware PowerPC Notebook | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/open-hardware-powerpc-notebook/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/02/open-hardware-powerpc-notebook/ [04:01] TR Bot Roberto Innocenti on Open Hardware PowerPC Notebook | Techrights [04:01] *bnchs (~bnchs@xqzhtxpfuwtz2.irc) has joined #techrights [04:08] TR News JWMDesk 3.5.1 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163293 [04:08] TR Bot JWMDesk 3.5.1 released | Tux Machines [04:31] AdmFubar1 Here we go! SHAabM (security hype as a business Model) https://arstechnica.com/?p=1845362 [04:31] TR Bot Explaining Spring4Shell: The Internet security disaster that wasnt | Ars Technica [04:44] TR News Software Freedom is not enough when hardware becomes increasingly restrictive and opaque. This is where people like Roberto Innocenti step in. http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/open-hardware-powerpc-notebook/ [04:44] TR News Shill and liar IDC promoting the scam of clown computing, using false dichotomies for outsourcing (guess who pays IDC) https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/idc_public_cloud_spending/ [04:44] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/idc_public_cloud_spending/ [04:45] TR Bot Public clouds to surpass non-cloud spending this year The Register [04:45] TR News Resource and energy hog. Go home, Intel. You are drunk. https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/intel-arc-graphics-chips [04:45] TR Bot launches Arc3 laptop graphics chips - Protocol [04:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.05 k/sec., IPFS upstream 90.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 278.30 ● Apr 03 [05:00] *matey (~matey@qiahibkh2iwka.irc) has joined #techrights [05:00] matey i finally tried bibliogram [05:01] matey its not often that i need to look at something on zuckstagram but i wanted to today [05:01] matey i tried several instances and they were all blocked by zuck, but one worked [05:02] matey so fb is a little more aggressive than twitter i think when dealing with front ends. not too surprising [05:02] TR News Can you steal money from a SCAM? Who steals from who? https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/axie-infinity-ronin-hack [05:02] TR Bot Infinity's Ronin network was hacked, Sky Mavis says - Protocol [05:03] TR News Exploring the use of tech-based tools in India to curb dissent during protests - Global Voices https://globalvoices.org/2022/04/01/exploring-the-use-of-tech-based-tools-in-india-to-curb-dissent-during-protests/ Source: globalvoices [05:03] TR Bot reply from server ( status 0 @ https://globalvoices.org/2022/04/01/exploring-the-use-of-tech-based-tools-in-india-to-curb-dissent-during-protests/ ) [05:05] activelow i see, tinycc is LGPLv2 [05:05] activelow which is slightly confusing, how LGPL2 was different to ordinary GPL2 [05:06] activelow aware of the argument LGPLv2 was less restrictive [05:07] activelow however, i think the restriction of ordinary GPL2 may be void anyway, meaning i question linking against a GPL2 lib or similar implies such linking enforced full copyleft [05:08] activelow i fail to recognize the argument, a proprietary program must remain and expand copyleft onto itself when linking against a GPL2 library [05:08] activelow because, this contradicts author's rights fundemenetally, for example, to choose which license applied to the own work [05:10] activelow even when linking against GPL2; of cause changes to a GPL piece of software must retain GPL copyleft, yet linking to a lib doesn't necessarily imply copyleft covers the proprietary piece [05:10] matey which is slightly confusing, how LGPL2 was different to ordinary GPL2 <- lgpl was made for a few special uses [05:10] matey its more permissive [05:10] matey use as needed [05:10] activelow yes, yet I doubt GPL2 is less permissive/more restrictive in practice [05:11] TR News Bain = corruption https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/toshiba_bain_sale_plan/ [05:11] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/toshiba_bain_sale_plan/ [05:11] TR Bot Effissimo and Bain plan to take Toshiba private The Register [05:12] activelow maybe, if they argued #include was different to #include ; however this is a very weak technical argument to say a header inclusion enforced copyleft into where the header included [05:12] TR News The stupidest gimmick I've seen in years https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4490739 [05:12] TR Bot Dyson Confirms 2022 Launch of Air-Purifying Headphones Delivering Pure Air and Pure Audio | Taiwan News | 2022-03-30 14:30:00 [05:13] TR News Diversity is now "the formerly incarcerated" https://buffalonews.com/news/local/diversity-focused-technology-training-firm-bitwise-coming-to-buffalo/article_18b53c78-aeae-11ec-af1a-3fc233af51b0.html [05:13] TR Bot technology training firm Bitwise coming to Buffalo | Local News | buffalonews.com [05:13] activelow except, if GPL2 explicitely stated inclusion of a gpl2-header enforced GPL copyleft into where it is included, which GPL2 doesn't [05:13] TR News Maybe next year "diversity" will mean "includes criminals" (like Microsoft) [05:14] activelow meaning the _explicite_ LGPL2 permission to link/include is equivalent to an _implicite_ possibility to do it with GPL2 alike; [05:16] activelow of cause, i mostly prefer strong copyleft, however i think GPL2 may not offer it since there isn't any expicite clause to prohibit linking/inclusion [05:17] activelow with regards to copyleft GPL2 is dangerous, because it is prone to both unintended/undesireable copyleft expansion, and unintended avoidance of it [05:18] TR News Fake money, bullshit money. More "Smart" buzzwords. https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/29/join-us-tomorrow-for-defi-and-the-future-of-programmable-money/ [05:18] Alternative link Cloudflare: techcrunch.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/29/join-us-tomorrow-for-defi-and-the-future-of-programmable-money/ [05:18] TR Bot us tomorrow for DeFi & The Future of Programmable Money TechCrunch [05:18] TR News What pertinent skills will these be? Memorising GUIs? https://www.oakdaleleader.com/news/bay-valley-tech-receives-grant-digital-skills-training/ [05:18] TR Bot Bay Valley Tech Receives Grant For Digital Skills Training - Oakdale Leader [05:19] TR News Self-congratulatory webspam https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/03/b26400498/datastax-recognized-as-a-phenomenal-place-to-work-with-three-comparably-awards [05:19] Alternative link Cloudflare: benzinga.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/03/b26400498/datastax-recognized-as-a-phenomenal-place-to-work-with-three-comparably-awards [05:19] TR Bot Recognized as a Phenomenal Place to Work With Three Comparably Awards - Benzinga [05:20] TR News "Clicking on links in emails from well-known brands can be dangerous because of brand abuse." https://www.wyomingnewsnow.tv/2022/04/01/cyber-wyoming-tracking-local-phishing-attacks/ [05:20] TR Bot Cyber Wyoming Tracking Local Phishing Attacks [05:21] activelow furthermore, GPL(2) doesn't distinguish non-commercial ("public domain", "educational", academic) usage from commercial interests [05:22] TR News Clownflare has become a LOT more aggressive lately against people who do NOT run proprietary JavaScript. That proprietary JavaScript is ITSELF the risk. Clownflare should be eradicated. Clownflare as a company, still not profitable, should cease to exist. [05:22] activelow i don't appreciate this, for example, as an author i would prefer any work of mine may be 100% for schools/universities, however i object to free as in gratis for commercial business with free software [05:23] activelow in german copyright law it is called "Verwertungsrechte" (commercial rights), distinguished from authors rights [05:24] activelow author's rights cannot be transferred, sold, or terminated in any way, and an author may decide to transfer the commercial rights of his work [05:25] activelow however, GPL doesn't distinguish author's rights and commercial rights (as in Verwertungsrechte) [05:27] activelow same with LGPL2, which i consider redundant, because i question GPL2 copyleft expansion with both technical arguments, and legal arguments [05:27] activelow because an #include does not suffice to consider any piece of software a derivative work of what's included/linked [05:28] activelow the #include/linking against gpl2.h is a necessity to define what is a derivative work, yet it is _insufficient_, both legally and technically [05:30] activelow in fact, the _uncertainty_ with GPL2 to define what is a derivative work and what isn't, this uncertainty is worse than an explicite permission with LGPL2 [05:30] activelow and it's a loophole into unnecessary, useless, harmful lawsuits and legal challenges [05:33] matey i don't appreciate this, for example, as an author i would prefer any work of mine may be 100% for schools/universities, however i object to free as in gratis for commercial business with free software <- this would create greater uncertainty than what is/isnt derivative [05:34] matey drawing a distinct and reliable line between commercial / non-commercial just takes free licensing and puts it back into the purview of lawyers again [05:34] matey as things are, you can mostly use gpl without ever hiring a lawyer [05:34] matey lawyers for big companies dispute this to protect income, but the fact is most people can convey gpl software without it being a big deal [05:35] matey you start drawing "distinct" lines between commercial and nc, you basically create a minefield where one did not exist before [05:35] matey its MUCH less useful then [05:35] matey and as a bonus, it will likely vary from country to country, so thats nice [05:36] matey cc license with the nc clause have this problem as well [05:36] matey can you use them in x situation? no one fucking knows, good luck! [05:36] matey free software doesnt need that shit [05:37] matey im anti-capitalist, but the license should be neutral on commercial use [05:37] matey otherwise it will be nuts [05:38] activelow i do not want to publish with GPL license and see any corrupt business entity benefit [05:42] activelow to boil up this argument to maximum heat, when thinking about FSF (Europe mainly) and their associates, it is a party politics outlet of "liberals", who discovered various "freedoms" under the banner of "free software" [05:42] activelow however, in parallel too i remember, who the exact same type of "liberals" and party politics conducted their business in Telco univeristy [05:42] activelow *how [05:43] activelow so, they can use the "free software" label, as a marketing gag, to lure developers and users into their sharholder value meat grinder [05:45] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:49] activelow furthermore, GPL doesn't terminate any other legislation, although it seems implied somehow, basic principles such as salary in return for work [05:50] activelow then again, "liberals" sneak around the corner, and argue it's "the market" which decided this was in compliance; or GPL simply wasn't suitable when instead proprietary software licenses were [05:50] matey i do not want to publish with GPL license and see any corrupt business entity benefit <- you probably cant have a license take care of that disctinction and still have it be useful to other people [05:51] matey theres no such thing as a perfect license-- the more you try to make the license accomplish, the harder it is to pull of the stunt [05:52] matey there are good licenses, mediocre licenses and terrible licenses, but no perfect license [05:52] matey mediocre licenses barely accomplish what anyone wants [05:53] matey terrible licenses screw over the intended audience, usually as a deliberate course of action [05:53] activelow in compliance with Bern Convention ("author's rights"); this alone already could prevent some mis-understandings [05:53] matey good licenses accomplish good things, and (preferably) dont balkanise things too much [05:54] activelow such as, any corrupt business entity must not: use any work of an author without consent, and must state who the author is [05:54] matey in compliance with Bern Convention ("author's rights"); this alone already could prevent some mis-understandings <- in practice, century-old treaties havent had too much impact on free software licensing and are mostly commented on to troll and spread fud imo [05:54] activelow GPL2, nor any other license, could terminate those rights - except if there was legal aspects i am not aware of [05:55] activelow *could not [05:55] activelow GPL2, nor any other license, could _not_ terminate those rights - except if there was legal aspects i am not aware of [05:55] matey GPL2, nor any other license, could terminate those rights <- perhaps not, but if not then its not likely a problem [05:57] matey fsf(europe) in my opinion is corrupt, by google and whatever else [05:57] matey arguably worse than the other fsfs [05:58] matey not originally, but in the past few years at least [05:58] activelow party politics outlet [05:58] activelow that's why, we see "ethical license" and similar now, because there is various different political parties, each with their own ideas [05:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.40 k/sec., IPFS upstream 68.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 422.38 ● Apr 03 [06:00] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:02] matey from what i know of these parties, its inaccurate to make it about parties at all [06:02] matey "ethical license" and similar now <- this isnt about parties [06:03] activelow in germany it is party politics, and this is what it is about here, and the interests involved, which is cash grabbing [06:03] matey its about political left opportunists (minimal overlap with actual party agendas) who are in it for themselves, and dont give a damn about a a party, or its members, or even the people the license would allegedly server [06:03] matey serve [06:03] matey and its crap basically [06:03] matey they are politically left but they dont care about their own allies [06:04] matey and their potential allies (who get nothing in exchange and gather no benefit from this opportunism) either awkwardly and naively support it, or... [06:04] matey just as often, the opportunism can find no support from its own "side" and jumps to the other side to further its (selfish, opportunistic) agenda [06:05] matey in that sense it couldnt be less about a party than it is [06:05] matey its just about promoting nonsense and painting it left or right or centrist [06:06] matey when surveillance capitalist megacorporations (superficially) join forces with these people [06:06] matey you can tell who theyre doing it for. themselves. [06:06] matey the solution to shit politics is non-shit politics [06:07] matey free software has done non-shit politics for years, but the opportunists have (mostly) won (for now) [06:07] matey it could change anytime (and often does when not expected) [06:07] matey technically speaking at least [06:08] matey in germany it is party politics, and this is what it is about here, and the interests involved, which is cash grabbing <- google doesnt care about german party political agendas [06:08] matey it simply wants to buy influence at fsfe [06:08] matey theres some truth to what youre saying even then, but its part of a larger picture [06:09] activelow german party politics are awkward, which is, it is a shallow facade, of supposedly multiple parties existing, when instead their prominence is what i consider centrally controlled [06:09] activelow by the "Atlantik Brcke"/Washington/Pentagon [06:09] matey the eu certainly complicates all this-- but it too cares less about party politics [06:10] activelow eu is rigged [06:10] matey mostly by germany and francy [06:10] matey france [06:10] matey there are outside influences of course [06:10] activelow nope, EU apparatus sanctioned those who were compliant with EU contracts, and benefit those who violated them [06:10] matey money is like that [06:11] activelow even worse, although i wouldn't consider EU "democratic", i consider EU not _constitutional_ [06:12] activelow rule of law [06:13] activelow which is, compensated instead, with "higher" morality in this apparatus, and higher intellect which escapes mine [06:13] activelow since ICE/immigration were mentioned today, it's better i not begin with my argument [06:13] activelow which is moot, anyway, because it's past, it's history [06:23] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:24] TR News Rich companies are using a quiet tactic to block lawsuits: bankruptcy https://text.npr.org/1082871843 [06:24] TR Bot Rich companies are using a quiet tactic to block lawsuits: bankruptcy [06:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://text.npr.org/1082871843 [06:24] TR News "The actor Will Smith does not have an official Twitter account." https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/will-smith-twitter-oscars-slap-1235221706/ [06:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: variety.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/will-smith-twitter-oscars-slap-1235221706/ [06:24] TR Bot That Will Smith: Twitter Users Bombard Exec After Oscars Slap Flap - Variety [06:26] TR News "When I want to charge my wireless mouse now, I dont need to plug in a cord or place it on a dock. 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About once a day it crashes and gives me error reports like the one pasted below." https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/late-2012-imac-kernel-panic-after-processor-and-ssd-upgrade.2340189/ [08:57] Alternative link Cloudflare: macrumors.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/late-2012-imac-kernel-panic-after-processor-and-ssd-upgrade.2340189/ [08:57] TR Bot Late 2012 iMac Kernel Panic after Processor and SSD Upgrade | MacRumors Forums [08:57] *bnchs (~bnchs@4fjifxphqmfd8.irc) has joined #techrights [08:57] TR News "Dr Lynn Woods, Professor in the Department of Doctoral Programs, School of Nursing, Azusa Pacific University, provides further analysis of Latinx & dementia, including systems of healing & the challenge of behavioural symptoms" https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/latinx-dementia-symptoms-challenges/132831/ [08:57] TR Bot Latinx & dementia: The challenge of behavioural symptoms [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 41.35 k/sec., IPFS upstream 106.15 average k/sec., average swarm size 289.68 ● Apr 03 [09:00] TR News This data should not be routed through USA, either https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/yandex-russia-ios-android-data [09:00] TR Bot Yandex routing iOS, Android user data to Russia - Protocol [09:01] TR News This would only increase the level of surveillance https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/dma-messaging-apps [09:01] TR Bot WhatsApp could be forced to work together - Protocol [09:01] TR News "Zulip today announced the release of Zulip Server 5.0, a major update that marks a release of the Zulip server and web applications." https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/566879815/zulip-leading-open-source-team-collaboration-tool-releases-server-5-0 [09:01] TR Bot Zulip, Leading Open-Source Team Collaboration Tool Releases Server 5.0 - EIN Presswire [09:02] TR News "The U.S. Supreme Court will review a ruling that an Andy Warhol print infringed a photo of Prince as it weighs non-software fair use for the first time in decades." https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/warhol-prince-photo-case-brings-fair-use-debate-to-high-court [09:02] Alternative link Cloudflare: bloomberglaw.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/warhol-prince-photo-case-brings-fair-use-debate-to-high-court [09:02] TR Bot NO TITLE [09:03] TR News "Apps" became synonymous with surveillance https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2022/04/03/with-mysejahtera-in-the-spotlight-experts-say-scrutiny-definitely-needed-to/2051225 [09:03] Alternative link Cloudflare: malaymail.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2022/04/03/with-mysejahtera-in-the-spotlight-experts-say-scrutiny-definitely-needed-to/2051225 [09:03] TR Bot With MySejahtera in the spotlight, experts say scrutiny definitely needed to ensure data properly utilised | Malaysia | Malay Mail [09:04] TR News Energy wasting. https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/meet-btrusts-abubakar-nur-khalil-africas-bitcoin-innovation-savior [09:04] Alternative link Cloudflare: nasdaq.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/meet-btrusts-abubakar-nur-khalil-africas-bitcoin-innovation-savior [09:04] TR News Peak Employment???? The US economy collapsed, but Wall Street Times wants the population to be in denial about it. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/business/dealbook/jobs-numbers-employment.html [09:04] Alternative link Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/business/dealbook/jobs-numbers-employment.html [09:05] TR News Will Facial Recognition Technologies hasten our descent to a mass surveillance State? - TheLeaflet https://theleaflet.in/will-facial-recognition-technologies-hasten-our-descent-to-a-mass-surveillance-state/ Source: theleaflet [09:05] Alternative link Cloudflare: theleaflet.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://theleaflet.in/will-facial-recognition-technologies-hasten-our-descent-to-a-mass-surveillance-state/ [09:06] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:06] TR News They are not "crypto"; this has nothing to do with crypto https://www.businessinsider.com/check-out-the-28-crypto-startups-y-combinator-latest-batch-2022-3?r=US&IR=T [09:06] Alternative link Cloudflare: businessinsider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businessinsider.com/check-out-the-28-crypto-startups-y-combinator-latest-batch-2022-3?r=US&IR=T [09:07] TR News US colleges controlled by the Pentagon by financial means https://www2.lehigh.edu/news/lehigh-and-the-us-army-research-lab-announce-25-million-cooperative-agreement-to-develop-next [09:08] TR News McKinsey has its own big share of scandals. Nobody should take McKinseys advice. https://fortune.com/2022/04/01/mckinsey-rules-building-effective-team-support-cfo/ [09:08] Alternative link Cloudflare: fortune.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://fortune.com/2022/04/01/mckinsey-rules-building-effective-team-support-cfo/ [09:08] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #techrights [09:08] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [09:09] TR News It's not free. They spy on you and more. https://www.fiercetelecom.com/broadband/charter-joins-verizon-comcast-offering-free-internet-acp-participants [09:09] Alternative link Cloudflare: fiercetelecom.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fiercetelecom.com/broadband/charter-joins-verizon-comcast-offering-free-internet-acp-participants [09:09] TR Bot Charter joins Verizon, Comcast in offering free internet for ACP participants | Fierce Telecom [09:10] TR News "Sage Invest in Progress" = patronising race card to make PR stunts https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/03/31/2413945/0/en/Sage-and-The-BOSS-Network-announce-35-awardees-of-the-2022-Sage-Invest-in-Progress-grants.html [09:10] TR Bot Sage and The BOSS Network announce 35 awardees of the2022 [09:10] TR News World Wide Web: Definition, history and facts | Live Science https://www.livescience.com/world-wide-web Source: livescience [09:10] TR Bot World Wide Web: Definition, history and facts | Live Science [09:23] TR News Zlib crash-an-app bug finally squashed, 17 years later https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/zlib_data_bug/ [09:23] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/zlib_data_bug/ [09:23] TR Bot Zlib crash-an-app bug finally squashed, 17 years later The Register [09:24] TR News Facebook has no reasons to even exist https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/meta-tiktok-targeted-victory [09:24] TR Bot paid for a smear campaign against TikTok - Protocol [09:25] TR News LinkedIn is dying. Microsoft too. There are layoffs in both. https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/linkedin-instagram-creator-tools also Epstein links: http://techrights.org/2020/08/11/linked-in-to-pedophilia/ [09:25] TR Bot adds new tools for creators - Protocol [09:25] TR Bot Linked In to Pedophilia | Techrights [09:26] TR News Smmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaart https://skarredghost.com/2022/03/30/mojo-vision-smart-contact-lenses-feature-complete/ nonssense and gimmicks [09:26] Alternative link Cloudflare: skarredghost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://skarredghost.com/2022/03/30/mojo-vision-smart-contact-lenses-feature-complete/ [09:26] TR Bot Mojo Vision smart contact lenses are now "feature complete" - The Ghost Howls [09:27] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:28] TR News FIDO Alliance = FIDO/FIDO2 cargo cult https://www.prweb.com/releases/2022/3/prweb18584578.htm see http://techrights.org/2020/10/15/fido-false-sense-of-security/ [09:28] Alternative link Cloudflare: prweb.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.prweb.com/releases/2022/3/prweb18584578.htm [09:28] TR Bot Vault Vision announces expanded security capabilities with OpenID Foundation and FIDO Alliance partnerships [09:28] TR Bot A FIDO/FIDO2 False Sense of Security for Premium Prices | Techrights [09:39] *bnchs (~bnchs@4fjifxphqmfd8.irc) has joined #techrights [09:41] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:42] *bnchs (~bnchs@4fjifxphqmfd8.irc) has joined #techrights [09:43] *Skywave has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:46] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@4ebk9724jjdmq.irc) has joined #techrights [09:47] *Skywave has quit (connection closed) [09:47] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@4ebk9724jjdmq.irc) has joined #techrights ● Apr 03 [10:04] *bnchs has quit (connection closed) [10:05] *bnchs (~bnchs@4fjifxphqmfd8.irc) has joined #techrights [10:11] bnchs this is to all the brave users out there [10:11] bnchs https://files.catbox.moe/ypge4d.png [10:11] TR Bot connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/ypge4d.png ) [10:12] bnchs brave has a fingerprinting issue [10:12] bnchs and because of this [10:13] bnchs you can fingerprint users even on "tor mode" [10:13] bnchs so the anonymity of tor is ruined [10:14] bnchs of course, whats retarded is brave's mitigration of this fingerprint vulnerability [10:15] bnchs they inserted a fake voice that was an alias to the first voice into the list [10:44] *bnchs has quit (connection closed) [10:54] *bnchs (~bnchs@4fjifxphqmfd8.irc) has joined #techrights [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 70.35 k/sec., IPFS upstream 120.28 average k/sec., average swarm size 242.20 ● Apr 03 [11:04] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@xfwaq643p6iza.irc) has joined #techrights [11:16] DaemonFC you can fingerprint users even on "tor mode" [11:17] DaemonFC Because the underlying browser is Chromium, it's going to be basically impossible to try to defeat tracking. Tor Mode is bullshit. [11:18] DaemonFC The Lake County Health Department would now rank #1 most hated government agency in the county, I'm certain, if anyone conducted a poll. And the Illinois State Department of Health would beat out IDOR. [11:19] DaemonFC For years, at the federal level, the most despised government agency was the IRS. Now I'm sure it would be the CDC. [11:19] *darwin (~darwin@7d3n498busjrn.irc) has joined #techrights [11:19] DaemonFC It's funny how when people lose everything like this, that those people stop caring what the taxes would be like if they were to still have a job. [11:20] DaemonFC The whole COVID pandemic was a smokescreen to implement Agenda 21. [11:20] DaemonFC Even as people come out of the stupor of the last two years, they find that they still can't afford to leave the house or do much due to hyperinflation that's especially hitting food, and gas prices. [11:21] DaemonFC I have no doubt the virus was real. "Sustainable development" includes population control. [11:21] DaemonFC A small fraction of that is deliberately murdering the elderly and the infirm with the virus, and then most of the rest is making people unable to afford children, or sterile due to the side effects of the vaccines. [11:22] DaemonFC The government controls the fertility statistics. [11:23] DaemonFC They can just keep saying people don't have many children and nobody really knows why. "Maybe it's the economy." while they fry their reproductive system over and over again with "boosters". [11:24] DaemonFC schestowitz, Bill Gates was giving a speech the other day. He said Omicron was unfortunate due to the fact that it appears to give much better immunity than the vaccines and was so mild that it blew through in a month and then has mostly gone away. [11:24] DaemonFC All that lost revenue.... [11:25] DaemonFC It's not just the COVID shots that do reproductive harm. [11:25] DaemonFC There's obviously been agents in the food and drinking water for some time that do that too. [11:26] DaemonFC The count and quality of male semen has been in severe decline over the past 40 years or so in the United States. I'm pretty sure other developed countries. They're doing something to us. [11:26] DaemonFC It's "managing the herd". [11:27] DaemonFC Maybe they don't even have to add agents to do that. Maybe they just cause poor people to subsist on ramen noodles instead of fresh vegetables and high quality protein sources because they can't afford a proper diet anymore. [11:28] DaemonFC I don't know who would buy this meat substitute crap Bill Gates is invested in. It's always going to have an off putting taste about it. [11:29] DaemonFC They can't seem to mask it no matter what they do, and the stuff is much much worse than ground beef. They toss in loads of salt. It's anything but natural. [11:30] DaemonFC "Europe turned out to be the continent where LA21 was best accepted and most implemented.[9]" (Local Agenda 21) [11:30] DaemonFC Yeah, and activelow is broke. [11:30] DaemonFC Agenda 21. $10 a gallon gas and food bills 2.5 times as high as the US. [11:31] DaemonFC Biden's sure trying to make up for lost time though. [11:32] DaemonFC "A June 2012 poll of 1,300 United States voters by the American Planning Association found that 9% supported Agenda 21, 6% opposed it, and 85% thought they didn't have enough information to form an opinion.[16]" [11:32] DaemonFC The poll probably did not mention the United Nations or anything about Agenda 21's goal of reducing living standards. [11:32] DaemonFC And the UN doesn't go out of their way to make it clear what Agenda 21 really is. [11:33] DaemonFC Just mentioning the United Nations in the poll would be enough to throw most of the undecideds against it. It's like Microsoft and Coca Cola. They keep their branding off GitHub and orange juice, because they don't want people to know. [11:34] *bnchs__ (~bnchs@4fjifxphqmfd8.irc) has joined #techrights [11:35] bnchs__ Because the underlying browser is Chromium, it's going to be basically impossible to try to defeat tracking. Tor Mode is bullshit. [11:35] bnchs__ yes [11:35] bnchs__ the browser stands out like a sore thumb among other tor users [11:35] bnchs__ i don't know how brave thought of implementing tor in their browser [11:36] DaemonFC "There's a country where 12% of the population has to hide from right-wing fascists in the government. They come wearing costumes and flashing badges. It's all very official. When they find the people they are looking to arrest, they put them on trucks and take them to internment camps where they're given a bar code. Once there, they have no idea what will happen to them next. Many die in the camps, and some are raped by guards, including the [11:36] DaemonFC children. The majority of the population of this country doesn't want to know what happens in the camps and tells you to think happy happy thoughts instead." [11:37] DaemonFC It's not Nazi Germany in the 1930s. It's America now. And the people who don't want to feel guilty are not German, they're my parents. [11:37] bnchs__ there's a website [11:38] DaemonFC mjg59_, What's your opinion on GitHub (Microsoft) collaborating with these folks? (I.C.E.) [11:38] bnchs__ browserleaks.neocities.org [11:38] bnchs__ it performs fingerprint tests in brave browser [11:38] DaemonFC mjg59_, Do you still use it? [11:38] bnchs__ using a fingerprint vulnerability found in SpeechSynthesis [11:38] bnchs__ to this day, brave hasn't fixed it [11:38] bnchs__ to this day, you can still fingerprint across tor mode and regular mode [11:39] *techrights_guest|37 (~9f30376a@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [11:39] *techrights_guest|37 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [11:40] bnchs__ https://browserleaks.neocities.org/brave/SpeechSynthesis.html [11:40] TR Bot SpeechSynthesis - Brave [11:44] bnchs__ i'm pretty sure tor browser's solution to this problem would be.... [11:44] bnchs__ disabling speechsynthesis entirely [11:46] *psydroid4 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [11:55] bnchs__ "if you've seen this tiktok" [11:55] bnchs__ who calls videos "tiktok" [11:55] bnchs__ thats like calling videos hosted on youtube "youtube" [11:55] bnchs__ "if you've seen this youtube" ● Apr 03 [12:01] *psydroid4 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:03] bnchs__ https://arquivo.pt/noFrame/replay/19961013225752/http://www.microsoft.com:80/corpinfo/bill-g/column/1996essay/censorship.htm [12:03] TR Bot Searching for middle ground in online censorship [12:03] bnchs__ bill gates essay about internet censorship [12:12] bnchs__ schestowitz: whats the code to your anti-cloudflare IRC bot [12:15] DaemonFC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4TPzosgrQA [12:15] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=H4TPzosgrQA [12:15] TR Bot yewtu.be | 10 Used-Cars to AVOID for BAD Engine - as per Consumer Reports - Invidious [12:15] DaemonFC Many are KIA or Hyundai. [12:15] DaemonFC Big pieces of shit. [12:15] DaemonFC Engine fires nd cheap engine bearings just causing the thing to fail with a grinding noise at some point. [12:16] DaemonFC There's a BMW on there. He says the engine usually fails before it reaches 100,000 miles. [12:16] bnchs__ should you replace web.archive.org [12:16] bnchs__ with https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/? [12:16] TR Bot Time Travel [12:17] bnchs__ this website searches hundreds of archives [12:18] bnchs__ for a Memento (basically a web archive moment) [12:18] bnchs__ of that site [12:18] bnchs__ like searx [12:20] bnchs__ ok here's an example [12:20] bnchs__ http://timetravel.mementoweb.org/list/20190224060626/http://google.com [12:20] TR Bot Mementos for http://google.com around 2019-02-24: http://mementoweb.org/list/20190224120609/http://google.com #memento - [12:22] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [12:22] *activelow (~activelow@pq8y8uzququ48.irc) has joined #techrights [12:34] DaemonFC https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/gazprom-halts-gas-shipments-europe-critical-pipeline [12:34] TR Bot Halts Gas Shipments To Europe Via Critical Pipeline | ZeroHedge [12:34] DaemonFC Article says Gazprom cut off supplies to the UK, but I've seen figures that say that the UK doesn't import any Russian gas. [12:38] bnchs__ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/2022/http://www.zerohedge.com/energy/gazprom-halts-gas-shipments-europe-critical-pipeline [12:38] TR Bot Gazprom Halts Gas Shipments To Europe Via Critical Pipeline | ZeroHedge [12:38] bnchs__ test API [12:38] bnchs__ it redirects to web.archive.org (because it's the only archive that has archived this URL) [12:42] DaemonFC https://www.wsj.com/articles/positive-drug-tests-among-u-s-workers-hit-two-decade-high-11648603800 [12:42] TR Bot Drug Tests Among U.S. Workers Hit Two-Decade High - WSJ [12:43] DaemonFC Employers are starting to give up on drug tests, at least until you have an accident and they test you to see if they can get out of paying for it. [12:43] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@c9nu4ummhfn7e.irc) has joined #techrights [12:44] bnchs__ " The Coalition to Stop Net Censorship asked everyone, everywhere, to turn their World Wide Web pages black for 48 hours after Clinton signed the bill to show just how many people would be affected by the bill. It was a tremendous show of support. We thank everyone who helped out. " [12:44] bnchs__ back when the Communications Decency Act was signed [12:44] bnchs__ pages turned black [12:57] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:58] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 50.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 84.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 257.31 [12:59] *Cotton (~59eeb284@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights ● Apr 03 [13:00] *activelow (~activelow@4gtddwxfc3mfn.irc) has joined #techrights [13:01] *CrystalMath (~coderain@4gisj6unhx3sa.irc) has joined #techrights [13:04] *bnchs has quit (connection closed) [13:06] *Cotton has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [13:07] *interfaces (~8aba8ecb@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [13:11] *interfaces has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [13:20] TR News Green Party Renews Calls for Green New Deal in State Budget https://howiehawkins.us/green-party-renews-calls-for-green-new-deal-in-state-budget/ [13:20] Alternative link Cloudflare: howiehawkins.us | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://howiehawkins.us/green-party-renews-calls-for-green-new-deal-in-state-budget/ [13:20] TR Bot Green Party Renews Calls for Green New Deal in State Budget | Howie Hawkins for our Future [13:20] TR News Xfces Apps Update for March 2022: New Releases of Orange, Xfdashboard, Xfce Terminal Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163302 [13:20] TR Bot Xfces Apps Update for March 2022: New Releases of Orange, Xfdashboard, Xfce Terminal | Tux Machines [13:29] TR News Today I got so tired doing the 3-hour video that I had to stop halfway, go take a nap, then resume with a part 2 over an hour later. First time this happens. [13:39] bnchs__ should you really record for 3 hours? [13:40] schestowitz-TR it's more time-efficient if done in one go [13:41] bnchs__ well ok [13:41] bnchs__ i wanted to ask you wheres the code for the altlink bot [13:41] schestowitz-TR if I have two files, I need to encode twice [13:41] immibis DaemonFC: do you or do you not believe in liberty? [13:41] schestowitz-TR the process is mostly automated though, it's just that it needs to be invoked twice [13:41] bnchs__ schestowitz-TR: do you ever encode multi-threaded? [13:41] bnchs__ and/or use hardware encoding? [13:42] schestowitz-TR bnchs__: it's with ffmpeg [13:42] schestowitz-TR it uses up all the cpu cores [13:42] bnchs__ really? [13:43] bnchs__ oh ffmpeg uses multi-threading by default [13:43] schestowitz-TR I wanted to distribute the load across multiple machines, but found no tools to do this with ffmpeg [13:43] schestowitz-TR unless you split the file and reassemble from different nodes/machines at the end [13:44] schestowitz-TR one minute of video can be 24x60 frames [13:44] immibis you don't want to split by frames because you'll get non-optimal keyframes [13:44] immibis maybe it's possible to run one pass to decide on keyframes and then encode each section [13:45] schestowitz-TR that's 86.4k frames an hour [13:45] schestowitz-TR immibis: or buy a monster machine for like 20,000 $ lol [13:45] bnchs__ ll [13:45] schestowitz-TR which would be idle like 99% of the time [13:45] immibis this is actually an ideal use case for clown [13:45] bnchs__ how do you plan to split load across machines [13:46] immibis if you want a monster machine for like 5 minutes [13:46] bnchs__ you might aswell just buy like 16 CPUs [13:46] bnchs__ and insert them all in one motherboard [13:46] bnchs__ maybe 32 [13:46] schestowitz-TR I have here 4,4,2,2,2,2 CPU cores [13:46] immibis 32-socket motherboards do not exist [13:46] schestowitz-TR total 16 [13:47] immibis If you want cores have a look on ebay or ewaste recyclers for servers. I was seeing ~$500 for iirc 16-core dual socket machines. [13:48] immibis (16 cores in total) [13:48] immibis older generation ones [13:48] bnchs__ well i guess [13:48] schestowitz-TR these longer videos are now urgent [13:48] schestowitz-TR I don't mind the laptop going for 10 hours [13:49] immibis also i'm serious when I say that renting a monster machine for 5 minutes is an ideal use case for clown [13:49] schestowitz-TR i just distribute the tasks across to other machine [13:49] schestowitz-TR but anyway, next time I won't start doing a long video after just 4 hours of sleep [13:49] *XRevan86 spent way too much time debunking Russian propaganda regarding the Bucha massacre. [13:49] bnchs__ immibis, should you really use it? [13:50] XRevan86 Their attempts at murking the truth are pathetic. [13:51] immibis bnchs__: does it do what you want for a reasonable price? [13:51] bnchs__ and? [13:51] bnchs__ how do you get the data back [13:52] bnchs__ and what if the conversion takes more than 5 minutes [13:53] immibis bnchs__: you download it? [13:53] immibis and if it takes longer than 5 minutes you rent it for more than 5 minutes? [13:53] immibis have you ever used clown computing? [13:54] bnchs__ no i actually buy computers [13:55] bnchs__ immibis, ok what if you wanna install a different OS in the clozn [13:57] immibis bnchs__: throw it away and get a new one [13:57] immibis bnchs__: the saying "cattle, not pets" applies [13:58] *psydroid2 would build a private clown [13:58] bnchs__ well i don't wanna use the clown [13:58] psydroid2 *create [13:58] immibis bnchs__: even if you don't like clown it seems a bit shortsighted to artificially restrict your horizons. All major clowns give you free trials of one sort or another [13:58] immibis you may as well know how it works [13:58] immibis psydroid2: people do that, although if you only have a couple of servers, it seems silly. Sometimes it leads to people using stupid numbers of VMs/containers just to justify their private clown [13:59] bnchs__ what if i wanna do processing offline [13:59] immibis like turning their website into microservices [13:59] immibis bnchs__: then you can't use clown, because by definition it is someone else's server that you access through the internet [13:59] bnchs__ so basically [13:59] bnchs__ internet outage (which is everytime here) [13:59] immibis can you upload videos during an internet outage? [13:59] bnchs__ means no access to the clown? ● Apr 03 [14:00] psydroid2 immibis, I wouldn't do that, I would just share my private clown with my friends [14:00] bnchs__ lol upload speed 0.5KB/s [14:00] bnchs__ clown would be retarded with that kind of speed [14:00] bnchs__ might aswell just buy a server [14:00] immibis bnchs__: do you even know what the context for this conversation is? [14:00] bnchs__ yeah [14:00] bnchs__ processing videos [14:00] immibis it wasn't bitcoin mining. it was processing videos to upload [14:00] bnchs__ yeah [14:00] bnchs__ but first you have to upload the video [14:00] bnchs__ with shit speed and constant outage [14:00] immibis in fact, if your upload speed is that terrible, it will probably be FASTER uploading one copy and then processing it on someone else's server [14:01] immibis (assuming the goal is to generate multiple copies in different formats, and not to compress the first copy) [14:01] *matey (~matey@pq8y8uzququ48.irc) has joined #techrights [14:02] bnchs__ and i wasn't talking about bitcoin mining [14:02] MinceR (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13423ymAjFg [14:02] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=13423ymAjFg [14:02] TR Bot yewtu.be | Pink nosed cat with a weird meow and her friends are so cute - Invidious [14:20] TR News kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree - kbuild: Make $(LLVM) more flexible https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=e9c281928c24dfeb86b11c31b53757b6a127f8aa Source: git [14:20] TR Bot kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree [14:20] TR News GNU Coreutils under attack from Microsoft (criminals) GitHub https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rust-uutils-0.0.13 [14:20] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rust-uutils-0.0.13 [14:20] TR Bot 0.0.13 Released For GNU Coreutils Replacement In Rust - Phoronix [14:21] TR News Claws Mail 3.19.0 and 4.1.0 unleashed Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163303 [14:21] TR Bot Claws Mail 3.19.0 and 4.1.0 unleashed | Tux Machines [14:22] TR News [GIT pull] x86/urgent for v5.18-rc1 - Thomas Gleixner https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/164897467026.360450.9213450977031549110.tglx@xen13/ Source: xen13 [14:22] TR Bot [GIT pull] x86/urgent for v5.18-rc1 - Thomas Gleixner [14:23] TR News Slackware-current: "My repository now contains a new set of libreoffice-7.3.2 packages for Slackware 15.0 and -current." https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/libreoffice-7-3-2-ungoogled-chromium-100/ [14:23] TR Bot Libreoffice 7.3.2, Ungoogled-Chromium 100 | Alien Pastures [14:28] TR News Worried That Your Phone Is Spying On You? Try A Different OS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163304 [14:28] TR Bot Worried That Your Phone Is Spying On You? Try A Different OS | Tux Machines [14:29] bnchs__ schestowitz: i know i asked this alot, but wheres the source code for altlink_63e [14:29] Alternative link https://mypdns.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/214 [14:29] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/2203301 [14:29] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.imgur.com/ZAve2X9.jpg created on 2022-03-30 00:20:57.325961 [14:29] bnchs__ wtf it made an issue? [14:30] bnchs__ god damn it [14:31] TR News Lightning talk: Volunteering at the FSF https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/lightning-talk-volunteering-at-the-fsf/ [14:31] TR Bot Lightning talk: Volunteering at the FSF GNU MediaGoblin [14:33] TR News "A lightning talk is a five-minute presentation on any topic that you think would be interesting to a group of free software users, hackers, and activists. Anyone can give a lightning talk at LibrePlanet." https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/lightning-talk-real-world-gnu-linux-story-from-istanbul/ [14:33] TR Bot Lightning talk: Real world GNU/Linux story from Istanbul GNU MediaGoblin [14:42] matey bnchs__ whats this about? [14:42] matey /me is curious [14:45] MinceR bnchs__: i think the people in #deCloudflare know [14:47] matey mincer: ? [14:48] MinceR matey: the bot that warns about crimeflare [14:48] matey what happened to it [14:48] MinceR \_()_/ [14:48] matey it isnt here anymore? [14:48] MinceR apparently bnchs__ wants the source code [14:49] MinceR it's here [14:49] matey i usually ignore it, but im not against it [14:49] MinceR and if its nick is mentioned, it makes an issue :> [14:49] matey lol [14:49] matey thats a very low-entry route to bug reports [14:49] MinceR indeed [14:49] MinceR must be annoying for the developers [14:50] matey i mean they made it that way [14:50] matey presumably its what they wanted [14:50] MinceR :> [14:50] matey "and i can BREAK you too!" dr frankenfurter [14:50] TR News Matthew Wise Explains Why Social Control Media is Bad and We Need to Revert Back to Private, Self-Hosted Blogging | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/matthew-wise-on-haven/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/03/matthew-wise-on-haven/ [14:50] TR Bot Matthew Wise Explains Why Social Control Media is Bad and We Need to Revert Back to Private, Self-Hosted Blogging | Techrights [14:51] bnchs__ matey: uhhh [14:51] bnchs__ i wanted the source code to altlink_*** [14:51] bnchs__ and apparently [14:51] bnchs__ made an issue because i mentioned it [14:51] bnchs__ on the repo's issues [14:51] matey seems like a non problem really [14:52] matey you found the repo [14:52] bnchs__ nah it didn't have it [14:52] matey what? [14:52] matey the issues are there but the source is not? [14:52] bnchs__ lemme check with a quick search [14:53] matey its a proprietary clown bot! [14:53] matey /me ops himself and charges laser [14:53] matey that is funny though, sort of [14:53] MinceR imma chargin mah laser [14:54] bnchs__ i don't know why would the dev make it so that it makes an issue automaitcally when you ping it [14:54] bnchs__ that's just dumb [14:54] matey its a very low entry route to bug reports [14:54] bnchs__ yeah but just make it a PM [14:55] bnchs__ or something [14:55] bnchs__ not publicly [14:55] matey if it were my bot [14:55] matey i would have it tell the user: [14:55] bnchs__ https://mypdns.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/blob/master/subfiles/service.altlink_irc.md [14:55] TR Bot subfiles/service.altlink_irc.md master Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab [14:55] bnchs__ "You can find altlink_xxx only on: #techrights" [14:55] matey "type 'confirm report' in the next 5 minutes to send previous mention of my irc handle to repo issues" [14:56] TR News Add WiFi HaLow to Raspberry Pi with ALFA Network AHPI7292S HAT - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/03/add-wifi-halow-to-raspberry-pi-with-alfa-network-ahpi7292s-hat/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware [14:56] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/03/add-wifi-halow-to-raspberry-pi-with-alfa-network-ahpi7292s-hat/ [14:56] TR Bot Add WiFi HaLow to Raspberry Pi with ALFA Network AHPI7292S HAT - CNX Software [14:56] MinceR got lions and tigers only in kenya [14:56] matey oh my [14:56] bnchs__ there's no source code [14:56] bnchs__ even on https://mypdns.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/blob/master/subfiles/service.altlink.md [14:56] TR Bot subfiles/service.altlink.md master Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab [14:56] bnchs__ no source code [14:56] MinceR again, they have a channel on this network [14:56] matey and the channel logs every post to it in issues :) [14:57] bnchs__ nice [14:57] matey im joking-- probably [14:57] matey i mean it COULD [14:57] TR News 5 Best Puzzle Games for Linux To Sharpen Your Intelligence https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-puzzle-games-for-linux/ Source: UbuntuPIT | GNU | Linux [14:57] Alternative link Cloudflare: ubuntupit.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-puzzle-games-for-linux/ [14:57] TR Bot 5 Best Puzzle Games for Linux To Sharpen Your Intelligence [14:57] matey not sure why it wouldnt, really :) except they probably log it separately [14:57] bnchs__ MinceR: which is empty? [14:58] TR News Qt 6.3 Promises Improved Wayland Support with Custom Shell Extensions [Dev update] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163305 [14:58] TR Bot Qt 6.3 Promises Improved Wayland Support with Custom Shell Extensions [Dev update] | Tux Machines [14:58] matey does it have the bot at least? [14:58] matey the bot probably logs [14:58] matey if its the only thing there [14:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 98.00 average k/sec., average swarm size 244.68 [14:59] bnchs__ roy uhhhh can you explain? [14:59] bnchs__ why is this one bot that has no source code? ● Apr 03 [15:00] matey /me is curious why roy would know [15:01] bnchs__ i mean i wanted to modify it a bit [15:01] matey as far as i know the bot is about as understood to us as the monolith in 2001 / 2010 [15:01] matey i mean i wanted to modify it a bit <- thats entirely reasonable [15:01] bnchs__ and see how it detected cloudflare [15:02] matey hmm [15:02] matey if i was trying to detect cloudflare, i would use two approaches [15:02] matey the bot may have a better method [15:03] bnchs__ yeah thats why i'm interested in it [15:03] matey i would use the following two approaches and either one of course would trip the detection flag (OR logic) [15:03] matey the first pass would try to grab the page with torsocks. if it got the captcha, cloudflare confirmed [15:03] schestowitz altlink is nor our bot [15:03] schestowitz it's free sofrware [15:03] schestowitz I cannot recall the URL [15:03] schestowitz it's run by ciphrCat [15:03] matey free software without source code [15:04] bnchs__ oh i get it [15:04] schestowitz I did not check [15:05] schestowitz scrolling up, I see you've pulled the URL already [15:05] schestowitz I remember seeing config files or code [15:05] matey ciphrcat is logged in, but has been idle for 202765 seconds? (does the math to see if thats plausible) [15:05] matey or code [15:05] matey o rnot [15:05] schestowitz maybe there are multiple repos/sites [15:06] bnchs__ the URL (decloudflare) doesn't really have the source code i think [15:06] matey 202765 seconds is 140 dys [15:06] *techrights_guest|43 (~1bbe3343@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [15:06] matey thats a lot of idle [15:06] schestowitz seems wrong [15:06] matey also a really solid connection [15:06] schestowitz I recall him saying something weeks ago [15:06] matey /me shrugs [15:07] bnchs__ hmm lemme check again [15:07] schestowitz best to ask ciphrCat [15:07] schestowitz i used to think he was french, seems belgian (close enough) [15:07] schestowitz usually lurking [15:07] matey maybe hes a chef [15:08] *techrights_guest|43 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [15:08] matey could be canadian [15:08] matey they have chefs in canada i think [15:09] bnchs__ the repo doesn't have any source code related to altlink [15:09] bnchs__ only documents and examples of it [15:10] matey just an old copy of nethack [15:10] bnchs__ and judging from this bot being hosted by another user [15:10] bnchs__ are you sure it's free software? [15:10] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@s8bte32nwnceg.irc) has joined #techrights [15:10] *ziraffep has quit (Quit) [15:10] matey and something by a guy named "flynn" [15:10] matey space paranoids [15:12] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@s8bte32nwnceg.irc) has joined #techrights [15:12] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163306 [15:12] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [15:12] TR News Games: SteamOS 3.0, Steam Deck, and 5 Best Puzzle Games Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163307 [15:12] TR Bot Games: SteamOS 3.0, Steam Deck, and 5 Best Puzzle Games | Tux Machines [15:12] matey it was modified to create the early versions of systemd [15:13] matey originally called "mcp" but it doesnt say what it stands for [15:13] bnchs__ i could reverse engineer the bot [15:13] matey how? is there a binary? [15:13] bnchs__ because the documentations don't say anything about how it works [15:13] bnchs__ matey: test it with a few [15:13] bnchs__ URLs* [15:14] matey wow [15:14] matey youd still be closed off to the bulk of useful output [15:14] matey like what it tries to connect to [15:14] bnchs__ yeah thats the problem [15:15] *ziraffep has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:15] bnchs__ lemme guess [15:15] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@s8bte32nwnceg.irc) has joined #techrights [15:15] matey if you had a binary you could try decompiling or runnign strace [15:15] bnchs__ gitlab.com [15:15] bnchs__ https://gitlab.com/ [15:15] Alternative link Cloudflare: gitlab.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://gitlab.com/ [15:15] TR Bot NO TITLE [15:15] matey which is technically illegal i guess if you write code based on it [15:15] bnchs__ matey: obviously what i'm doing is guessing how it works [15:16] bnchs__ clean room reverse engineering [15:16] matey mmhmm [15:16] matey im not casting any aspersions on your methods, only on my own "suggestions" [15:16] bnchs__ yes [15:17] matey if it were under an mit license at least [15:17] matey maybe you could "dirty room" rev engineer it without any worries [15:17] *ziraffep has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:17] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@s8bte32nwnceg.irc) has joined #techrights [15:17] matey ive never heard of such a thing, and im not a lawyer, so this is speculation [15:18] bnchs__ i'm guessing that it's looking up the DNS domain and see if it routes to cloudflare servers [15:18] matey well that was the other method i was going to suggest [15:18] matey get the ip [15:19] matey then try to access it directly [15:19] matey and if its clownflare the computer will say no [15:19] matey just a guess [15:20] *ziraffep has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:20] matey this way you dont need a hardcoded list of clownflare addresses [15:20] matey you go based on the response [15:21] matey but if its trivial to get a full list of their addresses, theres no problem with that [15:21] matey youd just have to update it from time to time [15:24] bnchs__ matey: useful resource: https://checkforcloudflare.selesti.com/ [15:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: selesti.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://checkforcloudflare.selesti.com/ [15:24] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://checkforcloudflare.selesti.com/ ) [15:24] bnchs__ it seems like this site checks more than just DNS and SSL [15:24] bnchs__ it checks the HTTP headers for cloudflare-related shit [15:25] matey hmm [15:25] matey i wouldnt have thought of that [15:25] bnchs__ the DNS lookup also relies on checking the nameservers [15:26] bnchs__ if it detects cloudflare nameservers like becky.ns.cloudflare.com [15:27] bnchs__ so there's a few things [15:27] matey what are you going to do with it [15:28] bnchs__ 1. do a NS lookup on the domain, check for cloudflare-related nameservers 2. access the site 3. check the HTTP headers and SSL certificate [15:28] matey id make a list of websites that dont use cf [15:28] bnchs__ taking notes [15:28] bnchs__ maybe i would cache the list [15:28] bnchs__ for a week or something [15:28] matey why a week? [15:29] matey it would be cool to have a list of websites that dont use cf or some other crap like bitchninja or suckuri firewall [15:29] matey the ncurses guy uses suckuri, its annoying [15:30] bnchs__ heres the thing [15:30] bnchs__ what if the site stops using cloudflare [15:30] matey sourcefudge is getting increasingly aggressive against anonymised visitors, but its still trivial to get around [15:30] bnchs__ you would indefinitely cache the list [15:31] bnchs__ you would just check the domain after a week [15:31] bnchs__ just in case [15:31] bnchs__ wouldn't indefinitely* [15:31] matey you would indefinitely cache the list <- i wouldnt check it every week [15:31] matey maybe every couple months or a few times a year [15:31] matey i dont think admins have a change of heart that often [15:31] bnchs__ ok what if they do [15:32] matey i think youre wasting a lot of processing power but its yours to do what you want with so [15:32] bnchs__ well ok [15:32] matey im talking about efficiency, youre talking about accuracy. either approach has merits [15:32] bnchs__ lets raise it up [15:32] matey i wouldnt try to tell you to do it my way [15:32] bnchs__ maybe every couple of months right? [15:32] matey sure, thats a good number i guess [15:34] bnchs__ i wanna replace the hardcoded web.archive.org link to something [15:34] bnchs__ something like https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/ [15:34] TR Bot Time Travel [15:34] matey is that a thing? [15:34] bnchs__ yeah it's like searx but for archives [15:34] matey ooohhh [15:35] bnchs__ it would be better [15:35] matey im getting pretty tired of ias shit really [15:35] matey theyre fsf-ing themselves [15:36] bnchs__ here's an example [15:36] bnchs__ http://timetravel.mementoweb.org/list/20141202233330/http://google.com [15:36] TR Bot Mementos for http://google.com around 2014-12-02: http://mementoweb.org/list/20141202220550/http://google.com #memento - [15:36] schestowitz-TR ias? [15:36] matey but given the size of their collection of course i hope for better [15:36] schestowitz-TR ia? [15:36] matey internet archive, possessive, minus apostrophes [15:36] bnchs__ archives closest to december 2nd 2014 [15:36] schestowitz-TR ia is still great [15:36] schestowitz-TR but could always improve [15:36] matey its a wonderful collection [15:36] bnchs__ it's sorted from the earilest to the oldest [15:36] schestowitz-TR it was mentioned in libreplanet [15:37] matey well imo theyve been a bit full of shit for a couple years [15:37] matey it was mentioned in libreplanet <- that doesnt help [15:37] schestowitz in this talk http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/amin-bandali-small-web/ [15:37] TR Bot Amin Bandalis New Talk About the Net Beyond the Web (Including Gemini) | Techrights [15:37] matey the founder was a keynote speaker [15:37] matey a year or two ago [15:37] bnchs__ IA has been a little slow latey [15:37] bnchs__ lately* [15:37] matey kahle [15:37] matey brewster [15:37] schestowitz-TR yes, they hasd technical difficulties [15:38] matey a few years ago, the archive stopped being as nice to use [15:38] matey they changed something [15:38] bnchs__ i also hate their ebook DRM [15:38] psydroid2 altlink_63e is really full of shit too, isn't it? [15:38] Alternative link https://mypdns.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/215 [15:38] matey i also hate their ebook DRM <- i hate the entire organisation for their ebook drm [15:38] bnchs__ also their iframe version doesn't work well [15:38] matey i understand why they did it, i forgive it partly, but refuse to excuse it fully [15:38] matey iframes are from the devil [15:38] bnchs__ all of the (internet archive links) point to the regular versin [15:39] MinceR bnchs__: dunno, /list told me it had 7 users [15:39] schestowitz-TR i herad about their book drm, did not look into it to understand or verify, it does raise concerns about their direction [15:39] bnchs__ matey: iframe version is because i hate the IA javascript and shit [15:39] *psydroid2 wonders how much of the web is actually worth saving [15:39] matey did not look into it to understand or verify <- libraries + drm = !libraries [15:39] schestowitz-TR and makes you wonder if there are forces/pressures in play outside plain sight [15:39] bnchs__ using the iframe version meant that the IA-replaced links point to the regular version anyway [15:39] bnchs__ unlike other archives [15:39] matey libraries since the dawn of commercial publishers and copyright, have existed at odds with publishers [15:40] matey this isnt the libraries fault, as lending books actually INCREASES sales [15:40] matey but publishers are dicks [15:40] matey repeat: publishers are dicks [15:40] schestowitz-TR [15:38] iframes are from the devil [15:40] schestowitz-TR they are, BUT... [15:40] matey the only thing that allows libraries to exist (because publishers have long sought to destroy them) is first sale doctrine [15:40] schestowitz-TR sometimes they're one way to dodge JS and spurious CSS [15:40] schestowitz-TR I can give examples [15:41] matey dmca for example, negates first sale for anything with drm [15:41] bnchs__ yes [15:41] matey I can give examples <- i doubt i would care [15:41] schestowitz-TR ok [15:41] matey drm poses an existential threat to libraries. [15:41] bnchs__ like check out memento's API [15:41] matey for ia to embrace drm is treachery at best [15:41] matey they call themselves a library [15:41] bnchs__ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/20220304153500/http://techrights.org [15:41] TR Bot Welcome to Techrights [15:41] matey it used to be true. its sort of de facto true now [15:42] matey theyre a library holding a gun to their own head [15:42] matey i still use the archive of course [15:42] matey but im NOT HAPPY about the direction theyre going in [15:42] matey it looks like sabotage from a few angles. [15:42] matey its a very important resource. [15:42] matey understatement [15:42] TR News Where does wiki spam come from? gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-04-03_Where_does_wiki_spam_come_from%3F [15:42] matey alternatives are not a threat, but a boon [15:43] matey of course it depends, like all things [15:43] matey i know kahle believes hes doing the right thing [15:44] matey but its a bit too close to what mozilla did with eme [15:44] matey mozilla stood by while the internet got stabbed in the back [15:44] bnchs__ still i wouldn't like the links to depend on IA only [15:44] matey kahle stood by while the same things happened to the largest library online (afaik) [15:44] matey its not good! [15:45] matey he made the same blunder as mozilla imo-- maybe without any corruption [15:45] matey but ia has other major issues, sort of complicated to explain [15:45] matey go back in time and use ia then, youd see what i mean [15:45] matey "omg this is so much better" [15:46] matey theyre kneecapping it, whether because theyre hitting capacity (doubtful) or because of corruption (i wouldnt rule it out) or some other dumbfuck reason [15:46] TR News "Interested in what people do instead of using Usenet, I looked at Internet Archive Schoolar. I haven't found nothing more relevant than paper from 2013." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi [15:46] matey and anyone who thinks theyre going to "unkneecap it" later is ignoring history [15:46] TR News "I sent first posts to Usenet from almost 30 years. While looking for available nntp (text only) servers I found out something new" gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi [15:47] matey this is a slope greased with graphene nanotube superlubricant [15:47] TR News Is There A Better Hard Drive Metaphor Is There A Better Hard Drive Metaphor gemini://marginalia.nu/log/53-better-hard-drive-metaphor.gmi [15:47] matey because its so bloody important i still hope for better, against the odds [15:48] matey you can rebuild gnu, but if the ia is gone its fucking gone [15:48] matey i suppose you could (very theoretically) mirror it [15:48] matey that would be one fucking hell of a mirror [15:48] bnchs__ yeah [15:48] bnchs__ you gonna need thousands of hard drives [15:48] bnchs__ and maybe ZFS [15:49] matey bezos could do it, too bad hes evil and insane [15:49] TR News "During that time of *integrity*, it was still the ones that came from families with money who were regarded as la creme de la creme." gemini://thurk.org/blog/552.gmi [15:49] bnchs__ also memento is good for IA blacklisted websites [15:49] bnchs__ like 4chan [15:49] matey musk would fuck it up [15:49] matey he would do everything right then change his mind before the launch [15:49] matey musk was going to put photos of space in the public domain like nasa does [15:50] matey then he was like na, fuck it-- pay me [15:50] bnchs__ "This service is provided by the Los Alamos National Laboratory. Unfortunately, the URL you were searching for is blocked by our service, which means that no Mementos are returned in the result list. Please note, however, that it is entirely possible that Mementos exist in one or more publicly available web archives." [15:50] matey motherfucker like you dont already get grants up the arse [15:50] bnchs__ nevermind nevermind [15:50] matey piece of subway-inventing skynet car building bullshit [15:50] TR News "Last year for computers has died on me. Or rather, the USB-C card has died, which for a computer that charges with usb-c is the same as being dead." gemini://iveqy.com/gemlog/2022-04-03_evil_usb.gmi [15:51] matey bnchs__ <- are you saying lanl runs the entire memento thing, just an instance, or just the website archived by it? [15:51] bnchs__ no [15:51] bnchs__ it's simply a search archive [15:52] matey ok [15:52] bnchs__ you can search for mementos without it [15:52] matey alright [15:53] TR News Claws Mail 4.1 Adds Text Zooming in the Message View, Many Other New Features Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163308 [15:53] TR Bot Claws Mail 4.1 Adds Text Zooming in the Message View, Many Other New Features | Tux Machines [15:53] bnchs__ like a search engine [15:53] matey i got that but not the details [15:53] matey i suppose i should look at it at some point :) [15:53] bnchs__ mementos is a IETF specification i think [15:53] matey really [15:53] matey for archiving? [15:54] bnchs__ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc7089 [15:54] Alternative link Cloudflare: ietf.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc7089 [15:54] TR Bot RFC 7089 - HTTP Framework for Time-Based Access to Resource States -- Memento [15:54] matey /me is easy to impress with knowledge of rfcs [15:54] bnchs__ timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/19950101153500/http://microsoft.com [15:54] matey "youre internet people" [15:54] TR Bot Cloud, Computers, Apps & Gaming [15:55] bnchs__ forgot [15:55] bnchs__ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/19950101153500/http://microsoft.com [15:55] TR Bot Microsoft Corporation [15:55] bnchs__ redirects to a portugese web archive [15:55] matey really? [15:56] matey this is as weird as the dark web (slightly tongue in cheek, but its always interesting to find parts of the net you didnt know existed) [15:56] matey id love to know what makes kahle tick [15:57] matey most of the time ive known hes existed hes been a bit of a hero [15:57] bnchs__ well it's the earlist archive of microsoft.com (beats IA by 6 days) [15:57] matey but like rms hes the sort that isnt too forward-thinking about successors [15:57] matey well it's the earlist archive of microsoft.com (beats IA by 6 days) <- impressive [15:58] matey 1995 is when they lifted the restrictions on commercial use i think [15:58] bnchs__ it's 13 October 1996 [15:58] matey in 1994 you could get a book full of "urls" but most were to gopher, the web was still wet behind the ears [15:58] bnchs__ but i picked 1995 just in case [15:59] matey i first got on the web in 95 or 96 [15:59] bnchs__ https://arquivo.pt/noFrame/replay/19961013190236/http://www.microsoft.com:80/corpinfo/bill-g/column/1996essay/censorship.htm ● Apr 03 [16:00] TR Bot Searching for middle ground in online censorship [16:00] matey in 92 or 93 someone told me to get a telnet to some university blah blah "internet" and i thought they were nuts [16:00] bnchs__ oh wait this is the month where communications deceney acts was signed [16:00] matey its not like you could just look this up on wikipedia you know [16:00] bnchs__ decency* [16:00] matey and i wasnt in the habit of using my access to bbss as a search engine [16:01] matey i mostly just looked for freeware with it [16:02] matey but someone did tell me about the internet in the early 90s [16:02] matey and funnier than that, it was a mac person [16:02] matey go figure [16:02] bnchs__ ok in CDA days [16:02] bnchs__ they turned their websites black? [16:02] bnchs__ why the fuck [16:02] matey just like sopa-pipa [16:03] matey reddit and wikipedia did that too [16:03] matey i didnt know there was a historical precident [16:03] bnchs__ they turned their pages black 2 days after clinton signed the communications decency acts [16:03] bnchs__ https://arquivo.pt/noFrame/replay/19961013163030/http://www.vtw.org:80/speech/ [16:03] TR Bot VTW Focus on Internet Censorship legislation [16:03] matey clinton was also the dmca (thanks, dick) [16:04] matey clinton was also the copyright term extension act that kept mickey mouse from going into the public domain [16:04] bnchs__ yes disney bribed congress [16:04] matey at the expense of public access to decades of other words (fucking dick) [16:05] matey and congress took it in the arse [16:05] bnchs__ to sign the copyright extension bill [16:05] matey traitors every single one [16:05] matey except the couple who probably didnt sign (theres always one) [16:05] matey there will never be a free society under capitalism [16:05] matey it will always be run by the corporations [16:06] bnchs__ there will be a secret money reward if you sign [16:06] bnchs__ so sign like a good boy [16:06] matey oh lessig did a great job explaining how legalised bribery works [16:06] matey "rebooting democracy" [16:06] matey great talk (dartmouth) [16:06] matey on youtube [16:06] matey highly recommended [16:06] matey shows why usian politics are a complete farce [16:06] matey dollarocracy [16:07] matey i actually sent lessig an article i wrote for roy [16:08] matey i think rms is more important than lessig (lessig probably thinks so too) but lessig is just all kinds of badass [16:08] matey fucking shame what happened to cc [16:08] matey again, the path to the future for cc was to do what linksvayer suggested [16:09] matey complete mystery how he ended up at github [16:09] matey brett gaylor did a pretty amazing docu with lessig and girltalk as centrepieces, but then he went to work for mozilla and the planned sequel was never made [16:09] matey also on youtube. and ia. [16:09] TR News Techrights now has about 100GB of videos. They do cover a lot of corruption in national patent offices. Total time of videos probably around 200-300 hours. [16:10] matey but in technical terms its a bit sloppy and plays fast and loose with definitions [16:10] matey other than that its good [16:10] TR News This talk is about Haven. For more information see Havens site at havenweb.org. http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/matthew-wise-on-haven/ [16:10] TR Bot Matthew Wise Explains Why Social Control Media is Bad and We Need to Revert Back to Private, Self-Hosted Blogging | Techrights [16:11] matey lessig said he thinks with video-- ALL VIDEO [16:11] matey you should just be able to quote anything, like you can with writing [16:11] matey clip, snippet, copy, paste [16:11] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [16:12] matey and people do, but its complicated [16:12] bnchs__ i like how the websites turned black for 2 days (even yahoo) after clinton signed the bill [16:12] matey and if you do it with music youre fucked [16:12] bnchs__ usually if a bill like this gets signed in 2022 [16:12] bnchs__ everyone would suck it like a good boy [16:12] matey usually if a bill like this gets signed in 2022 <- again, reddit and wikipedia did the same thing in response to sopa/pipa [16:13] matey but that was before reddit fucked itself [16:13] matey usually if a bill like this gets signed in 2022 <- yes thats true [16:13] matey everything is a dick sucking contest now [16:13] bnchs__ they use covers like anti-pedo [16:13] matey thats not new either [16:14] bnchs__ and anti-terrorism [16:14] matey adolf hitler: "thinks of the children!" *then gasses countless numbers of children* [16:14] bnchs__ people had their own websites [16:14] matey anti-terrorism: n. "we can do terrorism but YOU CANT" (also you cant do things we dont like or we will conflate it with terrorism) [16:15] bnchs__ and there wasn't upboats or downboats in mailing lists [16:16] matey /me still doesnt understand how it would be POSSIBLE for gerwitz to stop emails from pocock, even though theres little doubt the latter was censored [16:16] matey but by gerwitz? how? [16:16] matey when was he in charge of such things [16:17] bnchs__ who's gerwitz and who's pocock [16:17] matey pocock is a sometimes "contributor" to techrights [16:17] bnchs__ oh [16:17] matey meaning he sometimes emails roy and roy sometimes mirrors articles hes written [16:17] bnchs__ stop emails as in gerwitz blocked him? [16:17] matey hes the one who exposed corruption at fsfe and censorship at fsf [16:17] matey well heres the thing [16:18] matey pocock probably had some emails to rms blocked-- this i do not doubt [16:18] matey allegedly gerwitz may have been involved somehow-- this i dont understand how its possible (gerwitz being involved) [16:18] matey now for your other question [16:18] bnchs__ blocked the emails for gerwitz alone? [16:18] bnchs__ or the entire mail server? [16:18] matey (mike) gerwitz gave a surprisingly good talk at libreplanet 2022 [16:19] matey ok so heres how it allegedly goes: [16:19] matey pocock email -> | gerwitz | rms [16:19] matey gerwitz prevents rms from getting it [16:19] bnchs__ oh so you're saying [16:19] matey an i dont doubt that happened-- im only scpetical that gerwitz was the person responsible [16:19] bnchs__ that gerwitz was in control of rms' incoming mail server [16:20] bnchs__ and managed to block pocock's email address? [16:20] matey im saying i dont know how he would be... but we are talking about fsf staff no mattre what [16:20] matey this is rms@fsf or rms@gnu [16:20] matey either way, fsf infrastructure [16:20] matey someone was in charge of it when the email didnt go through [16:20] bnchs__ well are you sure that it's just a technical issue [16:20] matey im not aware that gerwitz ever had that position [16:21] bnchs__ not a blacklisting thing? [16:21] matey we can always blame a technical issue [16:21] matey blacklisting is likely in this instance [16:21] matey theres never censorship that cant be brushed away as a technical problem [16:21] bnchs__ did the problem get fixed? [16:21] matey i dont know, ive also had problems emailing him [16:21] bnchs__ or did he not report the problem at all [16:22] matey where even his autoresponder didnt respond [16:22] bnchs__ matey: maybe it's a technical problem [16:22] matey which i found suspicious [16:22] bnchs__ i mean even i emailed him [16:22] matey ive been emailing him for many years, i have some idea what a normal response is [16:22] bnchs__ and it didn't go through [16:22] bnchs__ so it might be [16:22] matey yeah it could be a technical issue. always a possibility [16:22] bnchs__ there's no way i could get blocked [16:23] matey i mean its not even impossible for a cosmic particle to strike the server and cause an email to get lost [16:23] matey though the magnetic field around the earth blocks most of them [16:23] bnchs__ this is more than just one email [16:24] matey at any rate, i dont doubt censorship [16:24] bnchs__ i had problems emailing him [16:24] matey im mostly intrigued that gerwitz could be implicated in this [16:24] matey as im very sceptical of that [16:25] matey and you know i dont have a high opinion of most fsf people, but the gerwitz/censorship connection doesnt ring true for me at all [16:25] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:25] matey im not inclined to leave it alone until i learn more [16:25] matey though i will give up on it eventually if theres nothing forthcoming [16:25] matey i mean, this isnt a white whale for me [16:25] bnchs__ i mean [16:25] bnchs__ you do you [16:25] bnchs__ investigate as much as you like [16:25] matey mostly im just curious [16:25] bnchs__ but i doubt it's censorship [16:26] bnchs__ and more of a technical issue on rms' end [16:26] matey actually, what id like to if theres a way gerwitz even COULD be at fault [16:26] matey i didnt think he was in charge of this even. [16:26] matey when was he a moderator, for example [16:27] matey i think the gerwitz part is bunk. what id like to know is WHY it is. id rather have more of a response to it than "i think its probably bunk" [16:28] matey proving it wasnt censorship would also clear him but i figure thats a lot more difficult to prove [16:28] matey alternatively if it really was his fault id be just as interested in that truth [16:28] matey as sceptical as i am [16:28] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:29] matey pocock isnt very easily cornered on anything [16:29] matey you cant get much out of him on this, which doesnt help [16:29] bnchs__ maybe investigate without holding bias against the staff [16:29] matey maybe investigate without holding bias against the staff <- funnily enough thats what im doing [16:30] matey but the fsf is not known for transparency and wont be useful in this [16:30] matey theyre ridiculously opaque, roy has even critiqued them for it [16:30] matey something he and i agree on [16:30] matey or at least did agree on (i still do, who knows what his position is now) [16:31] bnchs__ how do you give your project to the GNU [16:32] matey you register [16:32] matey i presume it generally involves sending an email [16:32] bnchs__ to whom? [16:32] matey which may get a response [16:32] matey one of the biggest complaints is that responses are ridiculously far from timely [16:32] matey and the process may take ages [16:32] matey you know im happy to look this up for you actually [16:33] bnchs__ because i heard of something [16:33] matey https://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2018/spring/gnu-needs-you-how-to-contribute-to-a-gnu-project [16:33] TR Bot GNU needs you: How to contribute to a GNU project Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [16:33] bnchs__ it involves giving up the copyright to FSF right? [16:34] matey If you already have written useful software that you would like to submit as a GNU package, there's a submission process in place at gnu.org/help/evaluation.html. If you're willing to adhere to the GNU Project's mission for software freedom, you can join 404 other GNU supporters as a GNU maintainer. [16:34] matey olves giving up the copyright to FSF right? <- i think so, so they can defend the license legally. [16:34] matey im not sure its mandatory, but i think its probably required. maybe if you make a compelling argument they grant an exception, i dont know [16:35] matey at the very least its recommended [16:35] bnchs__ yeah [16:36] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@2baw277a64nnu.irc) has joined #techrights [16:36] matey "Again, please email the questionnaire to when it is done." [16:36] matey https://www.gnu.org/help/evaluation.html [16:36] TR Bot GNU Software Evaluation - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [16:37] matey this would stop me from joining: [16:37] matey if its actually required [16:37] matey "and GNU documentation should [16:37] matey be released under the GNU FDL version 1.3 or any later version. [16:37] matey my position on the fdl is the same as debians [16:37] matey its not a free license [16:38] matey the wikipedia article on the fdl goes into details about the criticism of it [16:38] matey id rather use by-sa over fdl [16:38] matey i wouldnt release documentation under fdl if its a requirement [16:38] *ziraffep has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:38] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@2baw277a64nnu.irc) has joined #techrights [16:38] *ziraffep has quit (Quit) [16:38] matey maybe if its dual licensed cc0 and fdl [16:39] matey i would be willing to do that. [16:39] matey i bet they would still grant approval. but they would be annoying about it. [16:39] matey try to discourage the dual license [16:40] matey by comparison, the gpl3 thing isnt a dealbreaker at all [16:40] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #techrights [16:40] matey though the only thing ive ever made that i would consider having as a gnu project is already in the public domain [16:41] matey so it would be a question of releasing the newest version under gpl3, since you cant undo the previous license [16:41] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@2baw277a64nnu.irc) has joined #techrights [16:54] *ziraffep has quit (Quit) [16:54] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@nhvj46u4xbyjg.irc) has joined #techrights [16:58] *ziraffep has quit (Quit) [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 91.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 282.16 ● Apr 03 [17:00] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@nhvj46u4xbyjg.irc) has joined #techrights [17:00] matey openbsd has included leafpad in repos for longer than debian has [17:00] matey i was kind of pissed when debian got rid of it [17:01] matey of course there is an argument to be made for doing so-- and it hasnt swayed openbsd [17:03] *ziraffep has quit (Quit) [17:03] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@nhvj46u4xbyjg.irc) has joined #techrights [17:03] *ziraffep has quit (Quit) [17:04] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@ab2ugkr5g8qci.irc) has joined #techrights [17:09] *ziraffep has quit (Quit) [17:09] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@ab2ugkr5g8qci.irc) has joined #techrights [17:17] *ziraffep has quit (Quit) [17:17] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@2zdzcjxwqkqn2.irc) has joined #techrights [17:21] TR News Evacuating and Leaving the Dying SSD (New Recording Rig) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/moving-the-video-setup/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/03/moving-the-video-setup/ [17:21] TR Bot Evacuating and Leaving the Dying SSD (New Recording Rig) | Techrights [17:30] TR News md-toc version 8.1.2 (beta) released on 3 April 2022 https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Md-toc [17:30] TR Bot Md-toc - Free Software Directory [17:33] TR News You should not even trust ANYTHING from Apple. What have they done to deserve trust? Sold out everyone to NSA? https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/macos-opencore-trust.html [17:33] TR Bot Should you trust a third-party bootloader to run newer MacOS versions? [17:34] *tdemin (~tdemin@kgmzfpb6b65fs.irc) has joined #techrights [17:34] TR News CRAZY!!! See how many COVID-19 we have here! "The face-to-face event of the year, Postgres London 2022 gives community members the opportunity to get together in-person in Central London" https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/postgres-london-2022-2428/ [17:34] TR Bot PostgreSQL: Postgres London 2022 [17:34] TR News Ruby 3.2.0 Preview 1 Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163309 [17:34] TR Bot Ruby 3.2.0 Preview 1 Released | Tux Machines [17:35] TR News After weeks if not months of struggles with a deteriorating drive (degraded mode of operation) were finally making baby steps and moving the video setup to another machine; the picture quality will improve somewhat and sound quality is still work in progress http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/moving-the-video-setup/ [17:44] *matey has quit (connection closed) [17:44] TR News How is this "open source"? See the bottom part. Also Windows only and Microsoft Github (proprietary). Microsoft wants people not to understand Software Freedom, let alone explore it. https://medevel.com/photodemon/ [17:44] Alternative link Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/photodemon/ [17:44] TR Bot PhotoDemon is a lightweight open-source photo editor for Windows [17:46] TR News Life only gets HARDER when you use Windows. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/770527/bios-and-pre-os-screen-does-not-display-on-monitor/ [17:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/770527/bios-and-pre-os-screen-does-not-display-on-monitor/ [17:46] TR Bot BIOS and pre-OS screen does not display on monitor. - Internal Hardware [17:51] TR News Nibble Stew: Looking at building some parts of the Unreal engine with Meson Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163310 [17:51] TR Bot Nibble Stew: Looking at building some parts of the Unreal engine with Meson | Tux Machines [17:53] bnchs__ "BIOS and pre-OS screen does not display on monitor" [17:53] bnchs__ the future of computing everyone [17:53] bnchs__ "whaddya need the BIOS screen for" [17:53] bnchs__ "you don't need to boot from another source" [17:58] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163311 [17:58] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [17:59] schestowitz-TR STOP SIDELOADING AN OS !!! [17:59] schestowitz-TR Stop exercising control over a PC you bought, you FREAK !! ● Apr 03 [18:01] *schestowitz-TR changes OS [18:01] schestowitz-TR clippy: IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE TRYING TO BUILD A BOMB. [18:02] *schestowitz-TR changes wallpaper [18:02] schestowitz-TR clippy: THIS INCIDENT WILL BE REPORTED. [18:02] *schestowitz-TR copies files to USB driver instead of clown computing [18:02] schestowitz-TR clippy: WHAT ARE YOU, A PEDO???? [18:03] bnchs__ WHADDYA NEED THE BIOS SETUP [18:03] bnchs__ ARE YOU A TERRORIST??? [18:03] schestowitz-TR TECHRORIST [18:04] bnchs__ You don't NEED the BIOS setup [18:04] schestowitz-TR WHAT NEXT? [18:04] schestowitz-TR What will you ask for next? [18:04] bnchs__ You don't NEED to boot from a different source than a hard drive [18:04] bnchs__ Just use what your computer came with [18:04] schestowitz-TR access to an external disk??? [18:04] bnchs__ and shut up [18:04] schestowitz-TR are you a pirate??? [18:05] schestowitz-TR no, hard drive is for pedos [18:05] schestowitz-TR use the clown [18:05] schestowitz-TR apple will scan everything [18:05] schestowitz-TR and score you for the banks [18:05] bnchs__ I've seen modern laptops that don't even show the BIOS screen [18:05] bnchs__ or the pre-OS screen at all [18:05] bnchs__ they boot directly to windows [18:05] bnchs__ so you basically have 2 seconds to mash all the function keys [18:06] MinceR usually you can press a button to get into uefi setup and tell them to use a "slow" and more informative boot process [18:06] bnchs__ before it boots to windows [18:06] bnchs__ MinceR: They don't have that [18:06] bnchs__ Dell removed it [18:06] bnchs__ now it's just slient boot [18:06] MinceR i don't know why anyone would buy a dHell product anyway [18:06] MinceR they can't even design a hinge that doesn't pry itself apart in 2 years [18:07] MinceR or a keyboard that doesn't fall apart in 2 years [18:07] bnchs__ in the future, you won't even have a BIOS setup anymore [18:07] bnchs__ nor the option to boot to another drive [18:07] MinceR and they can't source a GPU that doesn't fry itself [18:07] bnchs__ because that's illegal [18:07] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:07] MinceR or a TrackPoint imitation in which the buttons don't crap themselves in a few months of use [18:08] bnchs__ i have a old dell latitude [18:08] bnchs__ that has a bios screen [18:08] bnchs__ and still works [18:09] MinceR i have an old dHell inspiron, in which i had to have the GPU replaced twice, have the hinge fixed once, and they refused to fix the keyboard under warranty [18:09] MinceR fuck them, dHell is a scam [18:10] bnchs__ lol i'll admit this [18:10] bnchs__ this dell latitude wasn't so uhhhhh good conidition [18:10] bnchs__ the CMOS battery was dead [18:10] bnchs__ some of the keys were dead [18:10] MinceR i used a dHell latitude, that had the TrackPoint buttons that broke quickly [18:10] bnchs__ had to replace the keyboard, and the CMOS battery [18:10] MinceR at least that wasn't mine [18:11] TR News Evacuating and Leaving the Dying SSD (New Recording Rig) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/moving-the-video-setup/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/03/moving-the-video-setup/ [18:11] TR Bot Evacuating and Leaving the Dying SSD (New Recording Rig) | Techrights [18:12] bnchs__ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-now-lets-you-enable-the-windows-app-installer-again-heres-how/?traffic_source=Connatix [18:12] Alternative link Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-now-lets-you-enable-the-windows-app-installer-again-heres-how/?traffic_source=Connatix [18:12] TR Bot Microsoft now lets you enable the Windows App Installer again, here's how [18:12] TR News Links 03/04/2022: Cassidy James Leaves elementary OS, Ruby 3.2.0 Preview 1 Released, and Claws Mail 3.19.0/4.1.0 Now Out | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/claws-mail-4-1-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/03/claws-mail-4-1-0/ [18:12] TR Bot Links 03/04/2022: Cassidy James Leaves elementary OS, Ruby 3.2.0 Preview 1 Released, and Claws Mail 3.19.0/4.1.0 Now Out | Techrights [18:12] bnchs__ "App Installer (also known as AppX Installer) allows users to install Windows applications directly from a web server using an MSIX package or App Installer file without first downloading the installers to their computer." [18:13] bnchs__ yes of course [18:13] bnchs__ now the question is did it get abused? [18:13] bnchs__ yes it did [18:13] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163312 [18:13] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:13] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163313 [18:13] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [18:14] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/comicyoloswagnew.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-comicyoloswagnew#comic ) [18:14] Alternative link Cloudflare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/comicyoloswagnew.png [18:14] TR Bot & Happiness (Explosm.net) [18:16] bnchs__ indubitably, i'm little ronnie's son [18:34] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.eu/dbcinchina/status/1510390016597446658#m [18:34] TR Bot Uncertain Doubter (@dbcinchina): "We can read more about Ursula VDL's (or Rose Ladson) story here: http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/albrecht-ladson-von-der-leyen/" | nitter [18:36] *tdemin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:40] bnchs__ schestowitz-TR: they shared techrights? [18:41] schestowitz-TR seems so [18:41] schestowitz-TR it's an old article [18:41] bnchs__ what is it about? [18:42] schestowitz-TR EU and EPO [18:42] schestowitz-TR and history [18:42] TR News GNU/Linux port. https://adventuregamers.com/news/view/dreams-in-the-witch-house-to-become-reality-on-windows-and-linux [18:42] Alternative link Cloudflare: adventuregamers.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://adventuregamers.com/news/view/dreams-in-the-witch-house-to-become-reality-on-windows-and-linux [18:42] TR Bot Dreams in the Witch House to become reality on Windows and Linux | Adventure Gamers [18:48] *ziraffep has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:50] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@feb376qq35q8a.irc) has joined #techrights [18:51] bnchs__ Whaddya need a bootable USB for? [18:51] bnchs__ Whaddy need a CD/DVD for? [18:51] bnchs__ Whaddya need a USB for? [18:52] bnchs__ Whaddya need a storage device for [18:52] schestowitz-TR or PC? [18:52] bnchs__ Just. Use. The. Clown [18:52] schestowitz-TR just get a '"smart" phone [18:52] schestowitz-TR or "tablet" phone [18:52] schestowitz-TR hypeTablet [18:52] schestowitz-TR iPeddd [18:53] psydroid2 how to become a 5-minute-clown? [18:53] schestowitz-TR "why can't you just do things like NORMAL PEOPLE?" [18:53] bnchs__ yes [18:53] psydroid2 click here and you'll find out [18:53] bnchs__ Just buy a "smart" TV [18:53] bnchs__ Just buy an Alexa [18:53] bnchs__ Don't worry about it [18:53] bnchs__ It's what the normies do [18:53] schestowitz-TR "we are a VERY futuristic company, we moved everything to the clown" [18:53] schestowitz-TR "we no longer have the BURDEN of having our OWN stuff" [18:54] schestowitz-TR "move to the clown" = "sell the house!" [18:54] bnchs__ yes [18:54] schestowitz-TR "rent like most people" [18:54] schestowitz-TR "take a loan" [18:54] bnchs__ move everything to someone else's computer [18:54] bnchs__ don't worry about the cosquences [18:54] schestowitz-TR apple loves chilldren [18:54] bnchs__ it's all the hype is about [18:55] schestowitz-TR encryption [18:55] schestowitz-TR that means [18:56] schestowitz-TR the clown provider lets you lock files [18:56] schestowitz-TR it adds a lock icon to them ;-) [18:56] schestowitz-TR feels safe [18:56] bnchs__ lol [18:56] bnchs__ that's wrong, roy [18:56] schestowitz-TR same in case of cracking [18:56] bnchs__ encryption is just a NOOP instruction [18:56] schestowitz-TR they call it "confidential computing" [18:56] bnchs__ on their end [18:56] bnchs__ really does nothing [18:56] schestowitz-TR whatsapp is ecryption [18:56] schestowitz-TR ONLY Facebook and its partners can read it [18:57] schestowitz-TR but not Putin [18:57] schestowitz-TR LF contributes to this deception [18:57] bnchs__ encryption in whatsapp is nothing [18:57] *ziraffep has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:57] schestowitz-TR misusing terms like end-to-end [18:57] schestowitz-TR and "confidential" [18:57] bnchs__ it's backdoored to shitt [18:57] schestowitz-TR zemlin should get lost [18:57] schestowitz-TR he has done so much for NSA [18:58] bnchs__ schestowitz-TR: encryption doesn't matter in whatsapp [18:58] bnchs__ everything is associated with your phone number [18:58] bnchs__ whatsapp's backup option stores the messages UNENCRYPTED [18:58] bnchs__ ON THE CLOWN ● Apr 03 [19:00] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@nrehtwk4yw6ii.irc) has joined #techrights [19:01] MinceR (cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/xsRv1Vp [19:01] TR Bot you shouldn't use a squirt bottle on your cat, and what to do instead - Album on Imgur [19:01] Alternative link Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://imgur.com/t/cats/xsRv1Vp [19:03] *ziraffep has quit (Quit) [19:04] TR News Ana Isabel Carvalho and Ricardo Lafuente on Designs Beyond the GUI | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/design-recipes/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/03/design-recipes/ [19:04] TR Bot Ana Isabel Carvalho and Ricardo Lafuente on Designs Beyond the GUI | Techrights [19:15] TR News Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163314 [19:15] TR Bot Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [19:31] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/jesus-second-coming.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-jesus-second-coming#comic ) [19:31] Alternative link Cloudflare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/jesus-second-coming.png [19:31] TR Bot & Happiness (Explosm.net) [19:47] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:52] XRevan86 https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/03/dozens-of-dead-civilians-found-in-kyiv-suburb [19:52] Alternative link Cloudflare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/03/dozens-of-dead-civilians-found-in-kyiv-suburb [19:52] TR Bot NO TITLE [19:52] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@bgh86xedkxnxe.irc) has joined #techrights [19:52] TR News Ewww, my eyes! I've just accessed ZDNet with Firefox and no extension/ad blocking installed. The Web is so unsafe and despicable. [19:53] bnchs__ theres nothing worse than [19:54] bnchs__ accessing a news website without ublock origin [19:59] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #techrights ● Apr 03 [20:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [20:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 133.11 average k/sec., average swarm size 224.88 [20:10] schestowitz-TR bnchs__: yes, I know now [20:10] schestowitz-TR but it depends on the site [20:10] schestowitz-TR the next video will show [20:10] schestowitz-TR so many ads [20:11] schestowitz-TR in zdnet [20:11] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/cross.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-cross#comic ) [20:11] Alternative link Cloudflare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/cross.png [20:11] TR Bot & Happiness (Explosm.net) [20:25] TR News 4 Best Free and Open Source Passive OS Fingerprinting Tools Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163315 [20:25] TR Bot 4 Best Free and Open Source Passive OS Fingerprinting Tools | Tux Machines [20:27] TR News This very much relates to the reason weve never used let alone installed a video editor. A lot of stuff can be scripted instead. http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/design-recipes/ [20:28] *psydroid2 moves in order to be closer to the clown [20:28] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@jrvr9devqhehi.irc) has joined #techrights [20:28] psydroid2 and one day hopefully merge with the clown [20:28] schestowitz-TR be there or be squared [20:33] DaemonFC accessing a news website without ublock origin [20:33] DaemonFC Daleks have no conceeeeeept of ELEGAAAAAANCE! [20:34] bnchs__ i wanna make a modular alternative frontend program [20:34] bnchs__ something that i can learn from NGINX's structure [20:34] TR News TOP 5 important aspects when learning Linux for a beginner Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163316 [20:34] TR Bot TOP 5 important aspects when learning Linux for a beginner | Tux Machines [20:34] schestowitz-TR bnchs__: any quotes re brandon? [20:34] schestowitz-TR for the article? [20:34] bnchs__ what article? [20:34] schestowitz-TR coming soon [20:35] schestowitz-TR make it punctual [20:35] DaemonFC You can tell how concerned CNN is about the news. Most of their hiring has been "influencers" to write paid shit for Amazon. [20:35] bnchs__ well i can't make a quote without knowing the topic? [20:35] DaemonFC Maybe Mitchell Baker can pipe it through to your Firefox New Tab page. [20:36] DaemonFC Exciting new revenue-sharing ideas. [20:37] DaemonFC When I'm the King of Earth, anyone who ever put "influencer" as a job title on LinkedIn gets sent to the meat grinder universe from Rick & Morty. [20:37] bnchs__ >rick & morty [20:37] bnchs__ reddit-tier show [20:38] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [20:38] bnchs__ i would prefer if they brought back king of the hill [20:41] schestowitz-TR bnchs__: fair point [20:42] schestowitz-TR give me some time, it's transcoding [20:42] *bnchs___ (~bnchs@kwbqziduqhn96.irc) has joined #techrights [20:43] *bnchs__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:47] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163317 [20:47] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [20:47] DaemonFC There's actually continuity between the episodes. Which is unusual for a cartoon. [20:48] DaemonFC Adventure Time has some, so it really helps to watch in order, but they were also designed for syndication. [20:49] bnchs___ even then [20:49] DaemonFC Adventure Time gets downright depressing sometimes. [20:49] DaemonFC Very dark for a "kids show". [20:49] bnchs___ it's written by a bunch of brainlets that try to make themselves look smart by making up long ass words [20:49] *ziraffep has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:50] TR News Whats new in GNOME 42 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163094#comment-33271 [20:50] TR Bot People don't like GNOME 42's inconsistent themes | Tux Machines [20:50] DaemonFC You can tell how there were twists and turns where it started out as more of a kids show and then found an older audience that appreciated the occasional inappropriate humor that was slightly obfuscated so kids probably wouldn't pick up on it. [20:50] DaemonFC Then it went from inappropriate humor into straight up nihilism. [20:52] bnchs___ rick and morty is associated with soyboys [20:52] bnchs___ and with good reasons [20:52] MinceR who are soyboys? [20:52] DaemonFC When you consider the background, imagine that it was less than 10 years ago and they had a child actor who was all of like 13 making crude sex jokes. [20:52] *Skywave has quit (connection closed) [20:53] bnchs___ MinceR: male person who drinks soy or otherwise filled with estrogen [20:53] MinceR what does estrogen have to do with rick and morty? [20:54] DaemonFC No, I'm absolutely certain that mjg59_ would remove Rick & Morty from the TV if he could. [20:54] TR News Plans for GNOME 43 and Beyond Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163318 [20:54] TR Bot Plans for GNOME 43 and Beyond | Tux Machines [20:54] bnchs___ the point is rick and morty is most commonly watched by soyboys [20:54] MinceR so what? [20:54] bnchs___ just like how nintendo switch is associated with soyboys because they're most commonly played by soyboys [20:54] DaemonFC At least if he actually believes what he says he does on his social control media profiles. [20:56] bnchs___ but even then i wanted king of the hill to come back [20:56] DaemonFC I don't know why. Every episode was fairly similar. [20:56] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:56] DaemonFC How far can you really go with a guy who can't sit on his lawnmower and sells propane for a living? [20:57] bnchs___ yes it's obviously [20:57] bnchs___ he yells at people for using coal [20:57] bnchs___ instead of propane [20:57] DaemonFC There's really nothing deep at all about King of the Hill. It doesn't even have a story ark. [20:57] DaemonFC Errr arc. [20:57] DaemonFC But I mean, like, there's no payoff for watching it. You don't get to piece anything together. [20:57] DaemonFC By the end of the episode, everything is resolved. [20:58] bnchs___ but it was a really funny show [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 82.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 260.08 ● Apr 03 [21:00] TR News The 6 Best Linux-based OS for Android Smartphones Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163319 [21:00] TR Bot The 6 Best Linux-based OS for Android Smartphones | Tux Machines [21:03] immibis is there a schwestowitzism for machine learning? perhaps machine unlearning? artificial stupidity? [21:03] immibis DaemonFC: "Employers are starting to give up on drug tests, at least until you have an accident and they test you to see if they can get out of paying for it." - you believe in liberty, right? 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[21:06] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:09] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@kp95bcc3dm3jy.irc) has joined #techrights [21:09] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@7zmmwv4qqhr7u.irc) has joined #techrights [21:10] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/easter8.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-easter-8#comic ) [21:10] Alternative link Cloudflare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/easter8.png [21:10] TR Bot & Happiness (Explosm.net) [21:12] *ziraffep has quit (Quit) [21:13] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@kp95bcc3dm3jy.irc) has joined #techrights [21:14] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ngwwik2p7s8xs.irc) has joined #techrights [21:15] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I had to rig up an external cooler for the T-Mobile Home Internet modem. [21:15] DaemonFC It just occurred to me that when they crash, they seem to get hot. [21:15] DaemonFC So if you set it atop a fan and turn the fan on, that should blow the hot air out and maybe keep it working. It was just really badly designed. [21:16] schestowitz-TR wow, bad design [21:16] schestowitz-TR also, waste of power [21:16] schestowitz-TR you turn electricity into hearf [21:16] schestowitz-TR for some bloody ethernet or wifi [21:16] schestowitz-TR *into heat [21:17] DaemonFC They get hot and crash and then your internet connection goes down. [21:17] schestowitz-TR our connection was last down 2 months ago [21:18] schestowitz-TR for like 60 seconds, it self-updated the firmware [21:20] immibis DaemonFC: do you just disconnect when pinged? [21:20] immibis DaemonFC: "Employers are starting to give up on drug tests, at least until you have an accident and they test you to see if they can get out of paying for it." - you believe in liberty, right? [21:20] immibis we had an ISP router like that, 10-15 years ago [21:20] *ziraffep has quit (connection closed) [21:21] immibis they are just capitalist products, minimum viable functionality, maximum viable quantity [21:21] bnchs___ lol [21:21] bnchs___ i connect straight to the modem [21:21] bnchs___ with my computer [21:22] bnchs___ yes i know, all the ports i open are gonna be open on WAN [21:22] DaemonFC Between NordVPN and T-Mobile.... [21:22] immibis bnchs___: that's illegal. you need at least 3 firewalls or else you lose your geek registration [21:24] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [21:24] bnchs___ i don't want to use chinese routers at the same time [21:26] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@tzp7q74avjj2c.irc) has joined #techrights [21:27] DaemonFC T-Mobile also throttles basically everything but speed test websites. [21:28] bnchs___ so what if a speed test website hosts a tor entry node? [21:29] DaemonFC I don't know. It's really funny because while your videos are buffering, speedtest.net says you're getting 100 Mbps. [21:29] *Skywave has quit (connection closed) [21:30] DaemonFC I noticed this with Comcast too. [21:30] bnchs___ lol [21:30] bnchs___ what if a speed test website [21:30] bnchs___ hosts a tor entry node [21:30] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@6h225yswjsmje.irc) has joined #techrights [21:30] DaemonFC You get on the VPN, you get 20 Mbps. [21:30] bnchs___ would you get full speed? [21:30] DaemonFC You get off the VPN, it's back up at almost 100. [21:30] DaemonFC would you get full speed? [21:31] DaemonFC Maybe until they find out about it. [21:31] bnchs___ but if they find out about it [21:31] bnchs___ they can't do shit about it [21:31] bnchs___ if they remove the throttle exception [21:31] DaemonFC What port does Tor work over? [21:31] bnchs___ the user can tell the ISP why my speed is 20 Mbps [21:32] bnchs___ 9001-9030 [21:32] bnchs___ but the speedtest website can just host a tor bridge [21:34] bnchs___ iirc a tor bridge is hosted as a HTTP service [21:34] bnchs___ to evade detection [21:35] bnchs___ so even if tmobile or comcast found out [21:35] bnchs___ they couldn't remove the throttle exception nor ban the site [21:35] bnchs___ both would result on user complaining [21:41] *bnchs__ (~bnchs@y8mgnax27yixy.irc) has joined #techrights [21:42] *bnchs___ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:49] immibis bnchs__: good idea. you should do it [21:49] bnchs__ i do not host a speed test website [21:51] schestowitz-TR bnchs__: draft ready [21:51] bnchs__ ok what is the topic [21:52] MinceR (cat) https://i.imgur.com/xCMYYoM.jpeg [21:52] Alternative link Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/xCMYYoM.jpeg [21:54] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/the-protestware-fud/ [21:54] TR Bot Corporate Media Slanting Microsofts Shipping of Racist Malware as Protestware (and an Open Source Issue) | Techrights [21:54] schestowitz see this [21:57] bnchs__ brandon turned his library into a malware for nothing but to seem like a "hero" to people [21:58] bnchs__ it didn't take too long for snyk, and eventually CVE to catch on to his hidden malware [21:59] bnchs__ after people discovered it, he had attempted to delete the commit and any evidence of his malware [21:59] *bnchs__ has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:59] *bnchs__ (~bnchs@y8mgnax27yixy.irc) has joined #techrights [21:59] bnchs__ of course, it was too late [21:59] bnchs__ he got bitten in the ass for it ● Apr 03 [22:00] schestowitz-TR ok [22:00] schestowitz-TR I will quote all except the "ass" but [22:00] bnchs__ but i personally wouldn't trust NPM [22:00] schestowitz-TR *bit [22:00] schestowitz-TR lol [22:00] schestowitz-TR npm is Microsoft [22:00] bnchs__ it's just a supply chain attack waiting to happen [22:00] bnchs__ he also got doxed for it [22:02] schestowitz-TR thanks [22:02] schestowitz-TR you watched it more closely than me [22:02] schestowitz-TR so you know what happened and when [22:03] *bnchs__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:03] *bnchs___ (~bnchs@zrhgekfsiawuc.irc) has joined #techrights [22:06] *bnchs___ has quit (connection closed) [22:06] *bnchs___ (~bnchs@zrhgekfsiawuc.irc) has joined #techrights [22:08] *matey (~matey@48ci8yfem94ec.irc) has joined #techrights [22:09] TR News personally w | Gemini address: personally w [22:09] TR News Corporate Media Slanting Microsofts Shipping of Racist Malware as Protestware (and an ‘Open Source’ Issue) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/the-protestware-fud/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/03/the-protestware-fud/ [22:09] *bnchs__ (~bnchs@6622nb3qgjtm8.irc) has joined #techrights [22:10] *bnchs___ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:12] TR News Debian Stable gopher://gopher.unixlore.net:70/0/glog/debian-stable.md [22:13] TR News VNC Tinkerings gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/stug/phlog/20220331.txt "The past few days have been spent giving Manjaro on Raspberry Pi a go." [22:13] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:13] TR News "Interested in what people do instead of using Usenet, I looked at Internet Archive Schoolar. I haven't found nothing more relevant than paper from 2013." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi [22:14] TR News "My banks webpage did work without JavaScript and (more importantly) over TOR, but they switched systems a while back, and very unfortunately, this feature disappeared. Sniff. And yes, I informed them, that I notice a severe lack of nerd appeal on the current website." gemini://ew.srht.site/en/2022/re-everything-breaks.gmi [22:15] *bnchs___ (~bnchs@np5hnnszvcz8s.irc) has joined #techrights [22:15] TR News "Doing grant writing, payroll, creating written resources for classes, scheduling people for work, taking meetings, traveling around town to teach, planning this makerspace, writing articles for a different job entirely. It's a lot. It's a lot and I'm not even making a living wage doing this." gemini://inconsistentuniverse.space/gemlog/2022-04-03-catchingup.gmi [22:15] *bnchs__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:16] TR News Re: Is There A Better Hard Drive Metaphor? gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-04-03_Re__Is_There_A_Better_Hard_Drive_Metaphor____2022_04_03__.gmi [22:20] *bnchs___ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:20] matey when a sourceforge project leaves sf, theyre almost always moving to gh [22:20] *bnchs__ (~bnchs@qcycad5ww9x7u.irc) has joined #techrights [22:20] *bnchs__ has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:20] *bnchs__ (~bnchs@qcycad5ww9x7u.irc) has joined #techrights [22:20] schestowitz-TR matey: makes sense [22:20] schestowitz-TR they chose outsourcing the first time around [22:21] matey when a project moves to gitlab its almost always from gh, not somewhere else [22:21] schestowitz-TR they just change outsourcing provider [22:21] matey sr.ht factors in, but not as much (yet) for obvious reasons [22:21] matey i have very mixed feelings about sr.ht [22:21] schestowitz-TR remember many projects won't be visible to you [22:21] schestowitz-TR they're not listed in those "hubs" [22:22] matey they're not listed in those "hubs" <- i mean, projects get mentioned SOMEWHERE [22:22] matey blogs, websites, distributions... [22:22] matey the fsd [22:23] *bnchs__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:23] immibis "is there a better hard drive metaphor?" - some research OSes are entirely virtual-memory based with checkpointing [22:23] matey i actually never created a gh account (initially) [22:24] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@e4z63rvppmwhu.irc) has joined #techrights [22:24] matey someone i knew (who was into 6502 chips) made an account for me [22:24] matey before the purchase [22:24] matey so i started dropping things there [22:24] matey when they got bought i was pissed [22:24] immibis read about KeyKOS [22:24] immibis and/or its derivatives [22:25] DaemonFC NordVPN seems to be doing something with Wireguard that makes the nordvpn daemon crash when changing servers. At least with the "Linux" client. [22:25] DaemonFC :/ [22:25] matey point is, i never at any point decided "you know what this project needs? a git-based repository!" [22:25] matey borkvpn [22:25] immibis you just type "git init" because you want better undo [22:25] immibis DaemonFC: you know why it's a *virtual* private network? because they can see everything, that's why [22:25] matey heh [22:26] psydruid why isn't nordvpn's client developed as free software? [22:26] DaemonFC I've been considering moving to Debian Testing. [22:26] DaemonFC Currently, they have GNOME 42 in there, and it makes some interesting improvements. [22:26] matey /me remembers when debian stable wasnt debian testing [22:26] immibis schestowitz-TR: is there a schestowism for nordvpn? [22:26] DaemonFC Probably PanamaVPN. [22:26] matey ariadnevpn [22:27] DaemonFC I could do something with this, but I won't. [22:27] immibis VPeeN [22:28] immibis Mordstream2 is a fine German pun. but I don't think the VPN is killing people [22:30] DaemonFC PIA switched their servers to something called "FreedomTech Solutions". [22:30] DaemonFC I started calling it Free Dumb Tech. [22:30] immibis american freedom or actual [22:30] immibis oh wait PIA [22:30] matey if you could walk into a german eatery and order the "viel spa" that would be a fine german pun [22:30] immibis that's the one the freenode prince runs? [22:30] DaemonFC Yes. [22:30] matey veal [22:30] psydruid ich brauche meinen Mordstream2 [22:31] DaemonFC It used to be really cheap, and fast. [22:31] immibis logically, then, it wasn't good [22:31] matey of course they woudlnt get it because its not pronounced that way [22:31] matey pick 2 [22:32] immibis viel, spa, gut: Wahlen Sie zwei? [22:32] DaemonFC https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rustc-Bootstrap-GCC-Code-Gen [22:32] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rustc-Bootstrap-GCC-Code-Gen [22:32] TR Bot GCC Code Generator "rustc_codegen_gcc" Can Now Bootstrap Rustc - Phoronix [22:32] matey no because its one of the few phrases i know in german [22:32] matey zwei is 2, i know that [22:32] matey also zwei was emacs initially [22:32] MinceR not eine? [22:33] matey eine is not emacs [22:33] matey oh i get it [22:33] matey zwei was eine initially [22:33] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EINE_and_ZWEI [22:33] TR Bot EINE and ZWEI - Wikipedia [22:33] matey mincer is right again [22:33] matey stop doing that [22:34] MinceR can't [22:34] matey i know, its a bitch [22:35] matey its funny, back when people put more trouble into silly names [22:35] matey they also made users more free [22:35] matey im going to go with post hoc here, bring the silly names back [22:35] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:35] MinceR people don't understand silly names anymore [22:38] matey and yet people are sillier [22:38] matey its a fucking paradox [22:39] immibis you just gotta name everything "truth" or "trump" [22:40] TR News One Month Passes, Only Comments in a Blog Post Actually Contain Accurate Information About EPO and UPC | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/epo-strike-coverage/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/03/epo-strike-coverage/ [22:40] TR Bot One Month Passes, Only Comments in a Blog Post Actually Contain Accurate Information About EPO and UPC | Techrights [22:41] matey truthiness [22:41] matey debian: leafpad is abandoned and insecure [22:41] matey openbsd: hold my beer [22:41] matey it turns out its not too difficult to make a better editor than leafpad though [22:42] matey for almost any value of better [22:47] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-30-22-2.jpg [22:47] Alternative link Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-30-22-2.jpg [22:50] matey https://www.etsy.com/market/pleated_denim_skirts [22:50] Alternative link Cloudflare: etsy.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.etsy.com/market/pleated_denim_skirts [22:50] TR Bot Denim Skirts | Etsy [22:50] TR News The Patent Distortion: The Media Has Failed Us, Patent Extremism Has Replaced It | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/the-patent-distortion-final-part/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/03/the-patent-distortion-final-part/ [22:50] TR Bot The Patent Distortion: The Media Has Failed Us, Patent Extremism Has Replaced It | Techrights [22:57] matey most creatively named software package ive found so far [22:57] matey cccc.sourceforge.net [22:57] *bnchs___ (~bnchs@vu8vke2fvbaia.irc) has joined #techrights [22:57] TR News "I have recompiled the 5.15.16 kernel with these third-party modules." https://bkhome.org/news/202204/kernel-modules-rtsbpp-and-rtw89.html [22:57] TR Bot Kernel modules rts_bpp and rtw89 [22:58] TR News "Steve has now released "MK3" and has sent me a an EasyOS-tweaked PET, and I have updated the EasyOS "noarch" PET repo. Not yet uploaded." https://bkhome.org/news/202204/global-ip-tv-panel-updated-to-2022mk3.html [22:58] TR Bot Global IP TV Panel updated to 2022MK3 [22:58] matey not the first program to be named by a cat though. xcfe and xvkbd are right behind it [22:58] bnchs___ i like how searx northboot [22:58] MinceR :> [22:58] bnchs___ prioritzes github [22:58] bnchs___ when i search for nginx source code [22:58] MinceR cshrc is a city in bosnia [22:58] bnchs___ btw the github repo [22:58] matey even if it werent, i would still believe you [22:58] bnchs___ is a mirror of nginx's mercurial repo [22:59] schestowitz-TR I did not know they still ueed mercurial [22:59] bnchs___ yeah [22:59] matey "An official read-only mirror of http://hg.nginx.org/nginx/ which is updated hourly. Pull requests on GitHub cannot be accepted and will be automatically closed. " [22:59] TR Bot NO TITLE [22:59] matey oing it right ^ [22:59] matey d [22:59] bnchs___ but it's retarded ● Apr 03 [23:00] TR News "Today, I would like to discuss one feature of Go 1.18, that I am interested in. No, this will not be another article about generics. The feature I would like to write about is something that might be under the radar for most people, but it still might be useful." https://shibumi.dev/posts/go-18-feature/ [23:00] Alternative link Cloudflare: shibumi.dev | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://shibumi.dev/posts/go-18-feature/ [23:00] TR Bot Go 1.18 debug/buildinfo features [23:00] bnchs___ that searx would prioritze a github mirror [23:00] bnchs___ rather than the mercurial source [23:00] matey /me points out that nginx is still on his fork of the fsd [23:01] TR News "We've all heard the GNU/Linux meme but in all seriousness should you actually say GNU/Linux or is it just a big waste of time." Say just "GNU"; it's shorter than Lee-NOX. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EM9oLBepePs [23:01] TR Bot Should You Say Gnu/Linux: No Probably Not - Invidious [23:02] TR News Tiki Trackers is a low- no-code features over Tiki CMS. Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163320 [23:02] TR Bot Tiki Trackers is a low- no-code features over Tiki CMS. | Tux Machines [23:02] TR News GulagTubes Unfair Treatment Pushes Creators To Leave For Odysee - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VHsHMWW7qkU Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [23:02] TR Bot YouTube's Unfair Treatment Pushes Creators To Leave For Odysee - Invidious [23:02] *bnchs___ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:03] TR News "In this video, we are looking at Pop!_OS 22.04 Beta." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rN1qWxC38MA [23:03] TR Bot Pop!_OS 22.04 Beta Run Through - Invidious [23:04] TR News "In this video, we are looking at Lubuntu 22.04 Beta." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_RESJ1-WPcM [23:04] TR Bot Lubuntu 22.04 Beta Run Through - Invidious [23:07] TR News "Immich is written with Next.js framework, and uses TensorFlow, and PostgreSQL, Redis, over Nginx server." https://medevel.com/immich/ [23:07] Alternative link Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/immich/ [23:07] TR Bot Backup your Android and iPhone photos and videos with Immich [23:08] TR News After dozens of highly misleading news pieces blaming open source for the actions of malicious/misguided Brandon*, shipping malware to many people through Microsoft servers, it is probably time to explain what really happened http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/the-protestware-fud/ [23:08] TR Bot Corporate Media Slanting Microsofts Shipping of Racist Malware as Protestware (and an Open Source Issue) | Techrights [23:08] TR News The only coverage of the EPO strike came a week after the strike had ended and relegated to a blog post; most of the actual facts are sheltered away in comments while the World Wide Web is basically a pool of disinformation from Team UPC http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/epo-strike-coverage/ [23:08] TR Bot One Month Passes, Only Comments in a Blog Post Actually Contain Accurate Information About EPO and UPC | Techrights [23:09] TR News Team UPC has become rather quiet lately (just the occasional shameless self-promotion) and theres no press coverage about the real affairs or the true state of the EPO, where Benot Battistellis friend Antnio Campinos is doing no better than the predecessor http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/the-patent-distortion-final-part/ [23:09] TR Bot The Patent Distortion: The Media Has Failed Us, Patent Extremism Has Replaced It | Techrights [23:11] TR News CentOS 7 vs CentOS 8 - Which is a better choice for you? - DekiSoft https://dekisoft.com/centos-7-vs-centos-8-comparison/ Source: dekisoft [23:11] Alternative link Cloudflare: dekisoft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://dekisoft.com/centos-7-vs-centos-8-comparison/ [23:11] TR Bot 7 vs CentOS 8 - Which is a better choice for you? - DekiSoft [23:12] TR News Manjaro Vs. Ubuntu (Latest) - Which is the best Linux Version? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163321 [23:12] TR Bot Manjaro Vs. Ubuntu (Latest) - Which is the best Linux Version? | Tux Machines [23:14] matey /me doesnt understand how every single fucking programming language ended up on github (with next to zero exceptions) [23:15] matey half? whatever. 2/3? i get it. but basically all of them, ffs [23:15] matey not lua (just its libraries) not haskell (but its package manager) [23:15] matey if its not the language, its the libs and/or the package manager [23:16] schestowitz-TR audc and c++ are not there [23:16] matey boost. [23:16] schestowitz-TR that's a big chunk of programs [23:16] chunky a chunk u say..? [23:16] schestowitz-TR yeah [23:16] schestowitz-TR jeff chunky [23:17] matey /me has never heard of audc [23:17] matey maybe c? [23:17] schestowitz-TR how much was there before 2018? [23:17] matey a lot of this is stuff that moved there since 2018 [23:17] matey like perl [23:17] schestowitz-TR btw, one day there will be an exodus away from git [23:17] matey php [23:17] schestowitz-TR like svn and svn [23:17] schestowitz-TR then microsoft will struggle to retain what's left [23:17] matey btw, one day there will be an exodus away from git <- yes, and my answer to that is one day the sun will explode [23:18] matey though the exodus from gh should be long before that [23:18] schestowitz-TR naaa... tehc moves fast [23:18] matey when they finally leave, they will pretend what that being hand-in-hand with microsoft wasnt a great betrayal [23:18] matey tech moves fast <- lies move faster [23:18] schestowitz-TR in less than a decade better things than git will exist, with easy migration route from git [23:18] matey start the clock then [23:19] schestowitz-TR lives move faster [23:19] schestowitz-TR not lies [23:19] matey lies move very fast [23:19] schestowitz-TR tech changes a lot faster than other disciplines [23:19] matey they run most of the planet [23:19] schestowitz-TR both h/w and s/w [23:19] schestowitz-TR look at fb [23:19] matey the thing is, you say exodus from github [23:19] schestowitz-TR losing active users rapidly [23:19] schestowitz-TR now trying to 'evolve' for buzzword [23:19] schestowitz-TR "metaverse" [23:19] matey im not concerned about github PER SE [23:19] schestowitz-TR "second life" [23:20] matey im concerned about the monopoly microsoft enjoys, and that these so called fighters for freedom dont give an actual damn [23:20] matey second life + metaverse = getalife [23:20] schestowitz-TR well, it is a BOUGHT monopoly [23:20] schestowitz-TR and SOME of them embrace it before it was a MONOPOLY [23:20] schestowitz-TR and before MICROSOFT [23:20] matey yes, and now they dont give a damn [23:20] schestowitz-TR RMS cautioned against it [23:20] matey yes, and we should have listened [23:20] schestowitz-TR but for reasons like JS [23:21] matey it was a good reason [23:21] schestowitz-TR I listened and checked gitlab [23:21] matey he also waranted about a bigger problem [23:21] schestowitz-TR I was already unhappy about the JS [23:21] matey warned [23:21] matey he warned about "ruinous compromise" [23:21] matey 10 years before github was bought [23:21] schestowitz-TR then the FSF changed its mind about making savannah replacement base don gitlab [23:21] schestowitz-TR it would be the wrong path [23:21] matey gitlab is crap thats why [23:22] schestowitz-TR I like what we use [23:22] schestowitz-TR git cli and gemini [23:22] schestowitz-TR very small and easy to maintain [23:22] schestowitz-TR it's perl and bash [23:22] schestowitz-TR and that itself is in git [23:22] schestowitz-TR it's like 100-200 lines of code [23:23] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-30-22-5.jpg [23:23] Alternative link Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-30-22-5.jpg [23:23] schestowitz-TR pull request? PULL MA FINGA [23:23] schestowitz-TR patches by email are easy [23:23] schestowitz-TR save, diff, commit [23:24] schestowitz-TR email as a standard/rfc is itself handy [23:24] schestowitz-TR can still be deal with 20 years from now, for sure... [23:24] schestowitz-TR btw, same for editing workflow [23:24] schestowitz-TR as you know [23:24] schestowitz-TR simple text files [23:24] schestowitz-TR I don't use the wordpress ui [23:24] schestowitz-TR I pasted into it from kate [23:25] matey you can streamline it even more [23:25] schestowitz-TR drupal has drush [23:25] matey if you stop using email and ditch the dns shit [23:25] schestowitz-TR irc stuff is python, bash etc. [23:25] schestowitz-TR and at the core it's all simple text [23:25] matey python of course is becoming a non-programming language [23:26] matey and turning into a webapi like rust [23:26] schestowitz-TR without dns you are becoming hard to access [23:26] schestowitz-TR like onion addresses for irc [23:26] matey onion addresses for irc are easy enough for a child to use [23:26] schestowitz-TR if a child has tor all set up [23:26] matey tor is easy enough for a child to set up [23:26] schestowitz-TR in some countries restrictions exist [23:27] matey in some countries restrictions exist <- that is sort of the whole bloody point [23:27] schestowitz-TR where XRevan86 is a rot operator and debian dev was raised by putin's regime [23:27] schestowitz-TR *raided [23:27] matey most of the countries with restrictions, tor gets around [23:27] schestowitz-TR iirc, because someone uploaded some kanye west video [23:28] XRevan86 A rot operator? [23:28] matey i know more people who use tor to bypass restrictions than people who are restricted because of it [23:28] matey hopefully not a deliberate typo [23:28] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: OOPS [23:28] schestowitz-TR in russia, tor is read from start to finish [23:29] schestowitz-TR matey: accidental [23:29] schestowitz-TR not even freudian slip [23:29] schestowitz-TR QWERTY [23:29] matey qwerty is a pretty terrible artifact of pre-computing days [23:29] *XRevan86 shrugs. [23:29] schestowitz-TR yes, I know [23:29] schestowitz-TR but if you choose something else that works... until you leave your own machine [23:30] schestowitz-TR and some devices do not offer alt layouts for their keyboard st all [23:30] matey i mean im sure i could learn how to use a different keyboard [23:30] schestowitz-TR so even your own devices might not obey you [23:30] matey but a reliable supply of non-qwerty keyboards? that part is tricky [23:30] schestowitz-TR you can use the same one [23:30] matey i could remap all my keys too [23:30] schestowitz-TR if you memorise key locations [23:30] matey but on that front i truly cant be arsed [23:31] schestowitz-TR OSes that let you alter mapping already support alt layouts [23:31] schestowitz-TR the problem is those that support neither [23:31] schestowitz-TR or a friend's computer or public terminal [23:31] matey well i havent used a public computer in ages [23:31] schestowitz-TR they use YOU [23:32] matey oh yeah, like the others dont [23:32] schestowitz-TR and usually they are not even THEM [23:32] schestowitz-TR They are some companies [23:32] schestowitz-TR controlling them remoately [23:32] matey id have to REALLY LOVE computers to still bother with them these days [23:32] schestowitz-TR so you are used by some company via some machine that is not even yourss [23:32] matey ive put more work into that than my first marriage [23:33] matey we will see which was more hopeless [23:33] schestowitz-TR we have working computers older than our marriage [23:33] matey i actually still had my second ever pc when i lived in my first apartment [23:34] matey its was a generic 286 [23:34] matey i moved it from a desktop case that weighed a fuckload to a minitower [23:34] schestowitz-TR two floppy drives? [23:34] schestowitz-TR 5,25? [23:34] matey one 5.25 and one 3.5 [23:34] psydruid computers have been the bigger con [23:34] matey i added an ide controller because it was fucking mfm [23:34] matey and i got it on the internet [23:35] psydruid you could do everything you can do now in the 90s too [23:35] schestowitz-TR with fewer polygons [23:35] schestowitz-TR and fewer colours (depth) [23:35] schestowitz-TR which does not add much practical value [23:35] matey i dont know [23:36] matey i would say 24bit colour is worth it [23:36] matey i certainly thought so before i had it [23:36] matey and i didnt change my mind after [23:36] schestowitz-TR not for text [23:36] schestowitz-TR maybe for pr0na nd stuff [23:36] schestowitz-TR for most computer tasks the colour is showoff [23:36] schestowitz-TR you could do OK with 8 bit [23:36] schestowitz-TR and high res [23:36] matey lol, because the only real point of full colour in video and photos is naked stuff [23:36] matey just today someone sent me a video of them dancing [23:36] matey not that kind of dancing. [23:37] matey i think 24bit colour helped [23:37] TR News Debian vs Ubuntu (2022 Comparison): 101 Guide to Choose Your Distro Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163322 [23:37] TR Bot Debian vs Ubuntu (2022 Comparison): 101 Guide to Choose Your Distro | Tux Machines [23:38] matey when i was using a 16-bit machine [23:38] TR News Linus Torvalds Announces First Linux 5.18 Kernel Release Candidate Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163323 [23:38] TR Bot Linus Torvalds Announces First Linux 5.18 Kernel Release Candidate | Tux Machines [23:38] matey there were many things i hoped for for the future [23:38] matey full colour video was one [23:38] matey unpaged memory access was another [23:38] matey this is when i was a kid [23:38] matey i dont think these are gimmicks [23:39] matey with that said, my window manager is... [23:39] matey a 52k binary [23:39] psydruid my first PC had a Pentium processor, so I missed all of that fun [23:39] XRevan86 MinceR: Has Orban commented in any way on the atrocities committed in the Kiew oblast'? [23:40] psydruid although I had an MSX 2 before that as well [23:40] MinceR XRevan86: i haven't heard of it [23:40] schestowitz matey: https://www.redandblack.com/multimedia/photos-uga-dancers-rehearse-for-upcoming-ubuntu-show/collection_82610246-95b4-11ec-b065-73d009120291.html [23:40] TR Bot UGA dancers rehearse for upcoming UBUNTU show | Multimedia | redandblack.com [23:40] MinceR some of the lower downs started calling the war what it is, eventually [23:40] schestowitz just in, rss feeds [23:40] matey i had an american rebadge of a british 8bit [23:40] MinceR but i suspect that's going to end soon [23:40] matey matey: https://www.redandblack.com/multimedia/photos-uga-dancers-rehearse-for-upcoming-ubuntu-show/ <- i blame kanye [23:40] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://www.redandblack.com/multimedia/photos-uga-dancers-rehearse-for-upcoming-ubuntu-show/ ) [23:41] matey oh wait [23:41] matey different ubuntu [23:41] matey NOT canonical [23:41] matey thats a relief [23:42] matey i would have blamed kanye for canonical having dancers and a show [23:42] XRevan86 MinceR: Does the Hungarian TV spread Russian propaganda regarding it? [23:42] XRevan86 I won't believe for a second that they didn't cover it at all. [23:42] MinceR afaik it does [23:42] MinceR but i don't really follow it [23:43] XRevan86 Some of those claims offend me with their stupidity and ease of debunking, so I'm curious which Hungarian TV picked up. [23:43] matey by the way XRevan86 i have an easy one for you [23:43] matey ive already heard a theory about this, but since you surely know whether its bunk or not, i thought id get your 2c/2p on it [23:44] matey (2r?) [23:44] XRevan86 2k [23:44] matey 2k [23:44] XRevan86 or maybe actually 2c [23:44] matey so [23:44] matey heh [23:44] matey american spelling of english words... [23:44] XRevan86 kopek, kopeck, copeck, whatever [23:44] matey its from britain, but britain has actually changed spelling since then, hence the difference. true or false? [23:44] matey third option welcome. [23:44] XRevan86 matey: False. [23:45] matey so what actually happened? [23:45] XRevan86 matey: It's true with some words like "tyre", but that's pretty minor. [23:45] matey and more generally? [23:45] XRevan86 I'll find you a Wikipedia article. [23:45] matey as long as its got your endorsement [23:46] matey i mean i dont consider you the world authority on it or anything [23:46] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163324 [23:46] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [23:46] matey but at the very least, the local one. [23:47] XRevan86 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-language_spelling_reform#19th_century this will do [23:47] TR Bot English-language spelling reform - Wikipedia [23:47] XRevan86 > In 1806, Noah Webster published his first dictionary, A Compendious Dictionary of the English Language. It included an essay on the oddities of modern orthography and his proposals for reform. Many of the spellings he used, such as color and center, would become hallmarks of American English. [23:47] matey whoa [23:47] matey so it was prescriptive? [23:48] XRevan86 yep [23:48] matey ffs. [23:48] matey thats crazy! [23:48] matey what a cheeky bastard [23:49] matey americans and their "this is the CORRECT way... that i just made up!" [23:50] matey i dont blame them for the difference, no [23:50] matey just the idea that you can be completely arbitrary and then say "well, this is the RIGHT way" [23:50] XRevan86 The "colourcolor" thing is pretty much de-French-ification, by the way. "color" is a pure Latin spelling. [23:50] matey The "colourcolor" thing is pretty much de-French-ification, by the way <- well, yes [23:50] matey but i assumed the "frenchification" came AFTER the mayflower, so to speak [23:51] matey and what youre implying is, it came before [23:51] XRevan86 So is the "organisationorganization", except not to Latin but to Greek. [23:51] matey also spake sarathustra [23:51] XRevan86 matey: Of course before. [23:51] matey matey: Of course before. <- and yet ive heard the opposite! [23:51] matey im glad i asked. [23:52] XRevan86 It's a basic word, it's only natural to assume it came from Anglo-Norman, Latin words usually come to English through scholarly stuff. [23:52] XRevan86 English has *a lot* of words from Anglo-Norman French. [23:53] matey i guess webster wasnt a francophile [23:54] XRevan86 He wanted to make spelling more regular I guess. [23:54] matey i mean i can appreciate that, sort of [23:54] matey but by "more regular" of course we mean [23:54] matey "different from the rest of the english speaking world" [23:54] matey and it didnt get much farther. i dont think it even made it all the way to canada. [23:55] matey "defrenchification, eh? good luck with that here!" [23:55] matey (weve been trying for years!) [23:56] XRevan86 matey: Would've been nice if he'd tried to remove mistakenly inserted letters from words like "island" and "limb" :) [23:57] matey i guess he knew his limits [23:57] matey hed already failed to conquor the north [23:57] XRevan86 The English like to overcomplicate words way too much. [23:58] matey i draw the line at maneuver [23:58] matey man-ovary is just too much [23:58] matey also every single license that means a thing to me spells it "license" so... [23:58] matey its "license" now, sorry [23:59] matey which it is anyway! just not all the time [23:59] XRevan86 matey: I look at that word like at advice/advise [23:59] psydruid this "island" form is curious [23:59] MinceR iirc license is usian and licence is british [23:59] matey mincer: its worse than that [23:59] matey it depends on whether its noun or verb in british [23:59] MinceR :> [23:59] XRevan86 "to license a licence" is the non-US form [23:59] psydruid in Dutch we have "eiland" and German has "Insel" [23:59] matey license is actually correct on either side of the pond, depending on the context [23:59] matey i mean thats a bit much.