●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, July 03, 2021 ●● ● Jul 03 [00:00] techrights-news This curve is 3 days behind. Get ready for hundreds of #uk deaths per day... with/from #covid19 https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases #toriesOut [00:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases ) [00:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [00:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.40 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 9.21 swarm size (avg): 308.37 [00:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.40 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 9.21 swarm size (avg): 308.37 [00:02] *alextee (~alextee@p5ururacf4pq4.irc) has joined #techrights [00:03] techrights-news Pure nonsense and raving lunacy from #patent maximalists, who cheer on for computer-generated #patent #monopolies as if that would advance science, economy etc. (as opposed to #litigation sector, a parasite and yoke) https://www.dyoung.com/en/knowledgebank/articles/ai-patent-inventorship-ownership #HeyHi [00:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dyoung.com | D Young & Co | AI (part two): inventorship and ownership [00:03] techrights-news Whitehurst took off his fedora. He was fed up. #ibm #redhat [00:04] techrights-news #IBM is striking partnerships with the worlds biggest patent trolls, its pushing #softwarepatents , and it is killing any remnants of hope (a much-needed policy change). No wonder Whitehurst called it quits. http://techrights.org/2021/06/07/ibm-self-harm-swpats/ #redhat [00:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM is Doing to Red Hat What Novell Did to SUSE (and People Are Leaving) | Techrights [00:08] techrights-news I find myself unable to write an ACTUAL article about #ibm losing #whitehurst and what it means to #redhat because, having spent 3 hours researching this and that, all I find online is gossip and speculation. Sometimes mutually contradictory. If you're an insides and know the full story, contact me privately. roy at my-surname com. [00:09] techrights-news My first interview with Jim Whitehurst (they reached out to me, not myself to them) was 10 years ago: http://techrights.org/2011/12/22/jim-whitehurst-q-and-a/ he was evasive about #swpats even back then... [00:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Interview With Jim Whitehurst, Red Hats President and CEO | Techrights [00:11] techrights-news Don't trust media coverage you see about #ibm leadership exodus because it's contradicted by some insiders' accounts. They're mostly guessing, speculating, and blindly obsessing over Wall Street 'value' (bubble, casino mindset). [00:11] techrights-news Vis-a-vis #ibm collapse: # Microsoft is Defrauding Its Shareholders While Laying Off About 5,000 Workers http://techrights.org/2020/07/23/microsoft-defrauding-again/ #Techrights #fraud | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/07/23/microsoft-defrauding-again/ [00:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is Defrauding Its Shareholders While Laying Off About 5,000 Workers | Techrights [00:12] techrights-news We have written a great deal about #ibm since it bought #redhat and here it is categorised for easier and faster digestion: http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM [00:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - Techrights [00:14] techrights-news This borderline 'bots' of #hp have contacted me about a DOZEN times today, within minutes of me mentioning something mildly negative about the company. They refuse to communicate over E-mail. https://nitter.actionsack.com/HP/status/1411098253718790146#m [00:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.actionsack.com | HP (@HP): "Hi, we understand how upsetting this can be. Please come over a direct message and we can look into it. ^Kiran https://twitter.com/messages/compose?recipient_id=17193794" | nitter [00:15] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:15] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:15] *psydruid burns down all tech giants [00:16] schestowitz want a torch? [00:16] schestowitz I think their marketing and media grip keep them going [00:16] psydruid yeah [00:16] schestowitz if you combat their misinformation and refuse the false narratives, they are toast [00:16] schestowitz IBM is a good example [00:16] schestowitz fake "wokeness" [00:16] schestowitz so show people what IBM REALLY is [00:16] schestowitz and then people stop buying from them [00:17] schestowitz their biggest clients are geeks who decide for large orgs [00:17] schestowitz govs, companies [00:17] schestowitz and they would not buy from a failing company [00:17] psydruid that latter part is what will bring down any company [00:17] psydruid just stop buying from them [00:17] schestowitz all those companies pretend to be super mighty [00:17] schestowitz like they will exist another 50 years [00:18] schestowitz amazon is less than 30 years old, iirc [00:20] psydruid I'm glad I haven't experienced your problems with my HP laptop(s), but I wouldn't buy any of their computers in general [00:20] techrights-news Even devices inside the living room increasingly collect data and spy on people (also the house guests) https://www.maketecheasier.com/dlna-streaming-apps-android/ see what 'smart' TVs do: https://wikileaks.org/vault7/ [00:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 11 of the Best DLNA Streaming Apps for Android - Make Tech Easier [00:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks - Vault 7: Projects [00:20] schestowitz psydruid: keyboard is critical but also not [00:21] schestowitz better than SSD data loss [00:21] schestowitz but also extremely not convenient as forced downtime to replace unless you plug something in [00:21] schestowitz in my case, it would lead to many issues, inc. ergonomic [00:22] techrights-news E.g. " #WikiLeaks publishes the User Guide for CIA's "Weeping Angel" tool - an implant designed for #Samsung F Series Smart Televisions. Based on the "Extending" tool from the MI5/BTSS, the implant is designed to record audio from the built-in #microphone and #egress or store the data." https://wikileaks.org/vault7/#Weeping%20Angel [00:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks - Vault 7: Projects [00:24] immibis Librarian: your free market includes you forcing me to obey your economic dictates, against my will [00:24] immibis but for some reason it doesn't include me forcing you to obey mine [00:25] psydruid I understand that, I have a thunderbolt 3 dock that I've plugged all peripherals into, so I only have to remove one cable to be able to take the laptop with me [00:25] techrights-news Short history of our #hp laptops. Purchased 2014, keyboard broken (about 5 keys) for no good reason after about 6 months. Returned to shop, gave up all data. Old laptop (2009): many keys breaking to pieces after 5 years. Very poor build quality. Today: rather new laptop, 4 keys stop working intermittently. That's ALL our HP laptops (3). All of them. The others are ALL fine (Taiwan-made). #compaq was BETTER. [00:28] techrights-news Oh, gosh. Some spammy press releases still cite #gartner like it's a legit source of information (links omitteD). They're corrupt agents of #marketing disguised as 'analysis'. See http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group [00:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gartner Group - Techrights [00:30] techrights-news #RMS has long said truths, even when it was risky or unpopular to do so https://www.macgasm.net/news/richard-stallman-steve-jobs-glad/ [00:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macgasm.net | Richard Stallman on Steve Jobs: "I'm glad he's gone" [00:32] techrights-news Holy crap, so many buzzwords. So people must stuff their CV with marketing buzzwords and pure circus (like "clown") for hiring agents to shortlist them? What have we come to??? https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-paying-jobs-in-technology-2021/ [00:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.analyticsinsight.net | Top 10 Highest Paying Jobs in Technology, 2021 [00:34] techrights-news "Magic quadrant" = Buzzwords circus (that's the "MAGIC"... things like "clown") and corrupt, paid-for endorsement by rogue #gartner http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group [00:36] techrights-news Terrorism follows #poverty ... where it is easier to recruit and/or brainwash people... convincing them that killing is "good" https://www.criticalthreats.org/briefs/africa-file/africa-file-terrorism%E2%80%99s-rising-cost-in-africa [00:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.criticalthreats.org | Africa File: Terrorisms Rising Cost In Africa | Critical Threats [00:37] immibis don't think any geek would ever buy anything from IBM [00:37] techrights-news #apple work is done in #sweatshops in #china ... but I don't think #theregister cares about the REAL labour or workforce of Apple... and what this #marketing cult subjects them to https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/02/apple_retail_hybrid_working/ [00:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | While some Apple employees aren't happy with hybrid work plans, those on the retail front line are probably delighted The Register [00:39] techrights-news #firstWorldProblems child in #africa cannot put together 3 dollars for a week's worth of food. Someone in 'Murica pays $300,000 for an old stupid fedora... for 'collection's sake' https://nerdist.com/article/indiana-jones-temple-of-doom-fedora-harrison-ford-sale/ [00:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Harrison Fords TEMPLE OF DOOM Fedora Sells for $300,000 - Nerdist [00:40] schestowitz immibis: memorabilia [00:41] techrights-news #google attack on the #gpl and attack on #linux is the new #fedora h https://9to5google.com/2021/07/01/google-fuchsia-os-possible-new-logo/ [00:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google's Fuchsia OS is getting a new logo - 9to5Google [00:42] techrights-news About 70 million adult Americans not employed (and not counted as such, either), but this is the real news? https://www.yahoo.com/now/restaurant-pup-collects-cash-customers-185712587.html [00:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.yahoo.com | Restaurant pup collects cash from customers [00:43] techrights-news The media online perishes partly because it sucks. Some sites think they'll salvage themselves by publishing, for a fee, some (low) paid-for spam. It just puts people off. They walk away. [00:45] techrights-news THIS is #journalism https://wikileaks.org/vault7/#Protego and this is why #assange has been in prison for a non-crime for 2 years... for exposing actual crimes. [00:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks - Vault 7: Projects [00:47] techrights-news #ibm workers dreading the next major wave of #layoffs https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bDXrsXf #microsoft too is laying off workers, inc. in the failing #azure division (they defraud shareholders) http://techrights.org/2020/07/23/microsoft-defrauding-again/ dinosaurs... thinking buying firms will save them [00:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | 2nd quarter earrings? - post regarding IBM layoffs [00:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is Defrauding Its Shareholders While Laying Off About 5,000 Workers | Techrights [00:49] techrights-news If your share price is depending on mere #patents , then you might be just a wannabe #patenttroll rather than a "real company" (and EPO patents have become worthless junk in recent years) https://stockhead.com.au/tech/patents-granted-to-these-two-asx-stocks-saw-share-prices-rise/ [00:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stockhead.com.au | Patents granted to these two ASX stocks saw share prices rise - Stockhead [00:50] techrights-news "The '852 generally relates to a transaction processing service" = #fakepatents / #swpats https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/7/2/2500-for-prior-art-on-authwallet #unifiedpatents #ptab [00:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | $2,500 for prior art on AuthWallet, LLC Unified Patents [00:53] techrights-news What comes next in #scotus https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/07/mopping-up-final-business-with-15-new-relists/ [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mopping up final business with 13 new relists - SCOTUSblog [00:55] techrights-news Money for the poor and the hungry? No, money for the rich who bribe politicians. https://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/87185.html [00:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ecommercetimes.com | Congress Backs Billions for Tech R&D Though Enactment Uncertain | Government | E-Commerce Times [00:58] techrights-news When #fordfoundation is not bribing the media (e.g. 'Guardian') and #debian ... #reputationLaundering is the goal https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ford-foundation-fuels-tech-for-the-public-interest-with-x4impact-301324241.html [00:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Ford Foundation Fuels Tech for the Public Interest with X4Impact ● Jul 03 [01:00] techrights-news #IBM CEO "AK is going to remove Paul Cormier as CEO of #RedHat so he (AK) can take over that Kingdom just clearly understand who AK is he is a tyrant, a dictator, a total despote" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bD34kMD#replies [01:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Systems - post regarding IBM layoffs [01:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.01 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.35 swarm size (avg): 308.37 [01:01] techrights-news " #IBM is like the Spruce Goose of the industry. IBM execs are patting themselves on the back and telling customers, "See, it's the largest wooden plane in the world and IT FLIES!" Nevermind that it could only get 15' high." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bBLmnmJ#replies [01:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Mail outage press - post regarding IBM layoffs [01:06] *alextee has quit (connection closed) [01:06] *alextee (~alextee@p5ururacf4pq4.irc) has joined #techrights [01:08] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [01:08] kingoffrance well, one hand doesnt know what the other hand is doing :) re: https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/30/social_media_end_of_humanity/ https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ford-foundation-fuels-tech-for-the-public-interest-with-x4impact-301324241.html (quote elsewhere) Thanks to Microsoft and CWI Labs for their partnership with #X4Impact - now available as your free market intelligence platform for social innovation. (quote elsewhere) [01:08] kingoffrance Civi, a constituent relationship management (CRM) system, keeps track of relationships and enables easy outreach and input via SMS, Facebook [01:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Cross-discipline boffin dream team issues social media warning: FIX IT NOW! The Register [01:09] kingoffrance i think thats how you get: https://onthinktanks.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Twitter-Manual-for-Governments.pdf [01:10] kingoffrance it was the best of social media, it was the worst of social media. it was the end of humanity, it was the plan for sustainability [01:12] kingoffrance dont ask who the gov tweets for, for the gov tweets for you [01:19] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [01:23] Librarian no, my free market doesn't include me forcing you to obey my economic dictates. According to the free market, you're perfectly free to not associate with me at all. 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It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:07] *job (~job@bfjdrpzm6v77y.irc) has joined #techrights [03:07] *pandakekok9 (~job@user/job) has joined #techrights [03:08] techrights-ipfs-bot QmYbCajogMVPFtfaxpbYNPXsCH7YHu4RDrbTn1bwxoFpVL [03:08] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [03:10] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [03:31] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/07/02/ibm_whitehurst_quits/ [03:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | IBM President and former Red Hat boss Jim Whitehurst quits The Register [03:34] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [03:44] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/?p=1778045 [03:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Apps with 5.8 million Google Play downloads stole users Facebook passwords | Ars Technica [03:52] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights [03:56] *CParadoxum_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:58] *swaggboi has quit (Quit: C-x C-c) ● Jul 03 [04:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.06 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.10 swarm size (avg): 308.54 [04:03] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:04] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:11] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [04:11] *CParadoxum_ (~quassel@m4gsqtdgyy73q.irc) has joined #techrights [04:13] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [04:17] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [04:33] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [04:33] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [04:40] *gde35 (~kvirc@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [04:40] lockeanarchist lol [04:47] *gde35 is now known as gde33 [04:48] *gde33 is now known as gde34 [04:48] *gde34 is now known as gde33 [04:54] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [04:58] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [04:58] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Jul 03 [05:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.76 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 31.30 swarm size (avg): 308.54 ● Jul 03 [06:00] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.63 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 8.40 swarm size (avg): 308.51 [06:07] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [06:09] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [06:25] *job has quit (connection closed) [06:25] *pandakekok9 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [06:27] *job (~job@bfjdrpzm6v77y.irc) has joined #techrights [06:28] *pandakekok9 (~job@user/job) has joined #techrights [06:43] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 03 [07:29] schestowitz today we can celebrate what happened yesterday at the EPO [07:29] schestowitz one step -maybe!- towards the judges growing a spine [07:29] schestowitz but not yet EPO Independence Day [07:29] schestowitz We'll do lots more coverage in weeks to come [07:30] *activelow is curious [07:30] *inky_ (~inky@178.78.151.2) has joined #techrights [07:30] activelow couldn't catch up yet [07:30] schestowitz tl;dr [07:30] schestowitz they know they're in crisis [07:30] schestowitz and the judges refuse to buckle for the dictator [07:31] schestowitz https://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/linkedins-700-million-users-data-is-available-on-sale [07:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxandubuntu.com | LinkedIn's 700 Million Users Data Is Available On Sale [07:31] schestowitz lol [07:31] schestowitz karma [07:32] schestowitz social control media = dumpster fire [07:32] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [07:38] activelow technical bancruptcy [07:53] activelow "According to the hacker and Microsoft, the database was scraped through LinkedIn API. It was not stolen through a vulnerability but they exploited their API to scrape such a big amount of data." [07:53] activelow -> this statement is not plausible [07:55] immibis why not [07:55] immibis never heard of web scraping before? [07:55] *inky (~inky@46.70.182.168) has joined #techrights [07:55] immibis for user in users: get("https://api.linkedin.com/blahblah?user="+user) [07:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://api.linkedin.com/blahblah?user="+user ) [07:56] activelow sure immibis, implemented some crawling and stuff myself while ago [07:58] activelow google and facebook API somewhat strictly limit their APIs, for example [07:58] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [07:58] *psydroid_ (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights [07:58] immibis might not matter if you have a botnet. This is exactly what CA allegedly did with Facebook [07:59] activelow CA? ● Jul 03 [08:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [08:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.06 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.25 swarm size (avg): 308.42 [08:01] immibis Cambridge Analytica [08:05] activelow with this some UK nobility was involved, who probably had less dificulties with circumventing some API limitations of facebook [08:05] activelow which btw. suprised me someone had hacked around those limitations which i knew at that time [08:14] activelow since, around year 2015 some supplier of german aerspace (www.dlr.de website) asked for some document categorisation, crawlers, adapters and this and that, which I had designed and implemented some things for [08:15] activelow supposedly to be used by dlr.de, then i was fired end of 2016, threatened with incarceration, and received the friendly job offer from IBM munich [08:15] *psydruid has quit (connection closed) [08:16] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [08:18] activelow and then around year 2016 the "panama papers" leaked somewhere, which pointed again to Nrnberg and Munich and Switzerland [08:22] activelow i got evidence, documents, records, etc.; in the end, it has little relevance anymore, except for the capital damages of some millions and loss of some jobs [08:31] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:32] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:33] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [08:33] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [08:42] activelow Volkswagen, Continental AG, DB Schenker, Deutsche Telekom, Siemens, Eutelsat, Airbus, this is the list of some internships directly or indirectly "outsourced" [08:43] activelow this is something I had to say a word about, or two, while employment agency argues i didn't fulfill some obligation [08:44] activelow which is ridiculous beyond imagination [08:45] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [08:46] activelow their methods, which is *murderous* corruption at all administrative levels [08:46] *inky (~inky@46.162.241.148) has joined #techrights [08:51] immibis Librarian: but that is itself one of your economic dictates which you are forcing me to obey [08:51] immibis you are forcing me to obey the principle that I can't have your TV if you don't want to give it to me [08:51] immibis what gives you the right to force that? [08:59] activelow anyway, what i remember is this: year 2015 already some stockpiled face masks ● Jul 03 [09:01] activelow i remember since i implemented this crawler and categorization system, which when not tuned correctly flooded the data sets filtered with those, 2016 (three years before the covid spook began): face masks [09:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.40 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 18.68 swarm size (avg): 308.31 [09:01] activelow could be a coincidence, sure [09:02] activelow then year 2018 i remember something else, which was a job interview with a company in germany which collects and processes epidemic data in mass animal farming and such, including DNA sampling etc. [09:03] activelow this interview predated the covid spook at least a year, in any case there is some evidence the entire corona spook didn't appear out of nowhere [09:04] activelow then in 2021, almost 5 years after i had finished this database system, the "face mask scandal" circulated in german news -> back to munich [09:04] techrights-news Investigation Needed Into the Full Story of Jim Whitehursts Departure From #IBM http://techrights.org/2021/07/03/why-whitehurst-left/ #redhat [09:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Investigation Needed Into the Full Story of Jim Whitehursts Departure From IBM | Techrights [09:05] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:06] activelow ^ Jim Whitehurst studied in Erlangen close to Nrnberg for some time, where i am currently residing [09:07] activelow Nrnberg too headquarters Employment Agency which i am having fun with (manipulated records and documents, data scrapers, fake businesses massive scale, among various other issues) [09:07] techrights-news This index deals with #Techrights articles about #IBM http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Older_Articles_About_IBM [09:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - Techrights [09:09] activelow strange thing with IBM was they asked me to pass some IQ testing, which I denied due to sleep deprivation, in parallel to fighting the threat of being incarcerated (originating in Munich) [09:10] schestowitz activelow: did nt know this.. [09:10] schestowitz interesting story [09:10] schestowitz and starts to make sense now that you open up [09:10] activelow nonetheless IBM munich "passed" my application and seeked to hire [09:10] schestowitz at first it looks like the rambling of the lunatic because of a lack of context (a month ago) [09:11] schestowitz but we know they try to portray this way "enemies of the state" ('s transparency) [09:11] schestowitz on what basis those threats of incarceration? [09:11] schestowitz "trade secrets"? [09:12] techrights-news #Techrights Bulletin for Friday, July 02, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [09:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [09:12] techrights-news #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [09:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [09:13] activelow schestowitz: if so why then am i being forced to send my documents to any idiot in the employment agency's database? which is a comfortable place for data scrapers who severly violate german law by their habits. [09:13] schestowitz the "here's a job" (or money"), "have a normal life and stay quiet" spiel is also a hallmark [09:13] schestowitz when they cannot silence people they seduce them [09:14] schestowitz Germany is OK with GDPR violations [09:14] activelow even better: here's a job, you're out of luck with money, because of this and that, long story beginning with my contract signed with Deutsche Telekom headquarters in 2002 [09:14] schestowitz as long as the public does not find out [09:14] schestowitz go back to being "professional" [09:16] schestowitz DT works with military [09:16] schestowitz inc., iirc, drone strikes, but I'd have to double check. BT did lots of drones strike link work [09:16] schestowitz they are sort of state [09:16] schestowitz quasi public companies [09:16] schestowitz esp. bt [09:17] schestowitz they come out from the state, like the rail system and such... [09:17] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152978 #Linux #TuxMachines [09:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:17] techrights-news #Ardour 6.8 Open-Source DAW Released with M4A Import Support, Many Improvements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152979 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ardour 6.8 Open-Source DAW Released with M4A Import Support, Many Improvements | Tux Machines [09:18] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152982 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [09:18] techrights-news his week in #KDE : #Gwenview and more http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152980 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Gwenview and more | Tux Machines [09:18] techrights-news #OpenHardware /Modding: Arduino, Sparkfun, and OLIMEX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152981 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino, Sparkfun, and OLIMEX | Tux Machines [09:19] techrights-news #Microsoft #LinkedIns 700 Million Users Data Is Available On Sale http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152983 #socialcontrolmedia = dumpster fire [09:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LinkedIns 700 Million Users Data Is Available On Sale | Tux Machines [09:19] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:19] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:23] activelow anyway, i don't think it had been bad intentions necessarily, and it was too many interests and political realms intersecting at various frontlines [09:25] activelow and maybe, to understand where i am coming from, it is this, when i was a child in east germany only one person among 30 had a private telephone line, if loyal to the state, everything under surveillance by Stasi [09:25] techrights-news Small Brain Arch User Installs #Gentoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzWFN_oQ9bc #gnu #linux [09:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GentooSmall Brain Arch User Installs Gentoo - YouTube [09:26] techrights-news #bospar is a SPAM operation disguised a PR firm. I already told them about 30 (!!!!) times to STOP SPAMMING me and even when they say they would stop they KEEP DOING IT. They need to be SUED. They need to be BANKRUPT. [09:26] activelow some family showed their loyalty at border patrol at the wall, while some other demonstrated on the streets of Leipzig in 1990 [09:26] activelow as [09:26] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [09:27] activelow so, as a somewhat brighter mind i decided to stay out of politics and study something to generate income with, to establish a business out of essentially nothing after 1990 [09:27] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [09:27] schestowitz makes sense [09:27] schestowitz I can say you are very technical [09:27] activelow since the entire industry and science was wiped, sold out by Merkel [09:28] schestowitz Kohl [09:28] activelow who too studied in Leipzig, what a shame [09:28] activelow please, since she visited UK, place her under covid quarantine and keep her on the island of yours [09:28] schestowitz "he was also a steadfast ally of the United States and supported Reagan's more aggressive policies in order to weaken the Soviet Union." [09:28] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmut_Kohl [09:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Helmut Kohl - Wikipedia [09:29] activelow "Atlantik Brcke" [09:29] activelow i mean, the misconception about 1990 was entire Stasi was gone, or cold war had ended, and whatnot [09:30] schestowitz stasi worked for epo [09:30] schestowitz former [09:30] schestowitz now privatised [09:30] schestowitz companies like "desa" [09:31] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2016/09/26/epo-regime-of-fear-and-lobbying/ http://techrights.org/2015/06/04/control-risks-epo-vs-media/ [09:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Moral Depravity of the European Patent Office Under Battistelli | Techrights [09:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO Sinks Deeper in a Scandal After Paying Public Money for Military-Connected Control Risks to Stalk Journalists and Staff | Techrights [09:31] activelow the Telekom University Leipzig before 1990 was well equipped with gear, yet their's wasn't political issues, it was technical ones [09:31] schestowitz There are also some third reich companies around at the epo, e.g. http://techrights.org/2019/05/17/kotter-group-nazi-roots/\ [09:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2019/05/17/kotter-group-nazi-roots/\ ) [09:32] schestowitz Germany had its own 'operation paperclip' [09:32] activelow i studied their beginning in 2001, and this University closed in 2018 [09:32] schestowitz rebranding old and more notorious firms [09:33] activelow i mean, international telco, ITU-T is the oldest institution of the UN [09:34] activelow without thinking too much i arrived in vienna in 2004, which was a nightmare, cought some infection, and simply couldn't get on track there mentally [09:35] schestowitz vienna is nice [09:35] activelow at least it helped me with decisions about the future to be made [09:35] schestowitz expensive, iirc [09:35] schestowitz apropos: http://techrights.org/2020/12/18/epo-strike-report/ [09:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Almost Half of Vienna-based EPO Staff Went on Strike This Past Week | Techrights [09:36] schestowitz I'm going to record a video shortly [09:36] schestowitz this time properly [09:36] schestowitz so might not watch irc for a bit.. 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[09:41] techrights-news Identify flowers and trees with this open source mobile app http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152984 [09:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Identify flowers and trees with this open source mobile app | Tux Machines [09:43] techrights-news No matter how deep one digs, based on publicly available information and even rumour mills of #IBM insiders/pensioners, it is exceptionally difficult to understand what happened inside IBMs top-level boardroom/management http://techrights.org/2021/07/03/why-whitehurst-left/ [09:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Investigation Needed Into the Full Story of Jim Whitehursts Departure From IBM | Techrights [09:43] techrights-news #IRC Proceedings: Friday, July 02, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/07/03/irc-log-020721/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/03/irc-log-020721/ [09:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Friday, July 02, 2021 | Techrights [09:45] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [09:46] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [09:51] techrights-news NEWS #SiliconAngle #Postgres #psql Italys stock exchange shares its Postgres success story https://siliconangle.com/2021/07/02/italys-stock-exchange-shares-postgres-success-story-postgresvision2021/ [09:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Italy's stock exchange shares its Postgres success story - SiliconANGLE [09:52] techrights-news NEWS #Joinup #Licensing New Estonian law requires administration to make state-owned software publicly available https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/estonia-makes-public-software-public [09:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Estonia makes public software public | Joinup [09:53] techrights-news NEWS #Joinup #OpenData Dataset with cases of Artificial Intelligence usage in the public sector available as Open data https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/elise-european-location-interoperability-solutions-e-government/news/143-ai-cases-public-sector-are-available-open-data [09:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | 143 AI cases in the public sector are available as open data! | Joinup [09:53] techrights-news NEWS #ChelseaTroy #Programming The Siren Song of the User Model https://chelseatroy.com/2021/06/28/the-siren-song-of-the-user-model/ [09:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chelseatroy.com | The Siren Song of the User Model Chelsea Troy ● Jul 03 [10:59] activelow i'm missing some bits and pieces, since they are hiding behind bureaucratic walls, fake business entities, and intransparent associations with each other ● Jul 03 [11:01] activelow what i do suspect is this, speculative, what was formerly some soviet style socialist union apparatus, it is now some party-politics and affiliated religious institutions in place [11:02] *job has quit (connection closed) [11:02] *pandakekok9 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [11:14] MinceR (cat) (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/05/20/e500c379372ff688.mp4 [11:25] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:25] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:31] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [11:33] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [11:44] *job (~job@bfjdrpzm6v77y.irc) has joined #techrights [11:45] *pandakekok9 (~job@user/job) has joined #techrights [11:51] *CrystalMath (~coderain@jhxp8ba5mviye.irc) has joined #techrights ● Jul 03 [12:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [12:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.68 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 21.65 swarm size (avg): 308.30 [12:18] techrights-news NEWS #9to5Mac #Hardware British right to repair law comes into force today, but excludes smartphones and computers https://9to5mac.com/2021/07/01/british-right-to-repair-law/ [12:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-British right to repair law excludes smartphones and computers - 9to5Mac [12:18] techrights-news NEWS #BBC #Hardware Right to repair rules will extend lifespan of products, government says https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57665593 [12:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Right to repair rules will extend lifespan of products, government says - BBC News [12:18] CrystalMath that is absolute garbage though, since they're not really selling anything except smartphones and computers :P [12:19] CrystalMath i mean the most important thing for the right to repair is computers [12:19] CrystalMath and smartphones [12:19] techrights-news NEWS #TheVerge #ProprietarySoftware REvil ransomware attacks systems using Kaseyas remote IT management software https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/2/22561252/revil-ransomware-attacks-systems-using-kaseyas-remote-it-management-software [12:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | REvil ransomware attacks systems using Kaseyas remote IT management software - The Verge [12:19] techrights-news NEWS #TheVerge #ProprietarySoftware #Microsoft warns of Windows PrintNightmare vulnerability thats being actively exploited https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/2/22560435/microsoft-printnightmare-windows-print-spooler-service-vulnerability-exploit-0-day [12:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Microsoft warns of critical Windows PrintNightmare vulnerability - The Verge [12:19] techrights-news #Microsoft #Windows TCO: #NBC #ProprietarySoftware #Ransomware attack on software manager hits 200 companies https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/ransomware-attack-software-manager-hits-200-companies-rcna1338 [12:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Ransomware attack on software manager hits 200 companies [12:29] techrights-news NEWS #TeenVogue #Disinformation #Misinformation From Trumps Big Lie to Repressive State Laws, National Politics Are Still in Disarray https://www.teenvogue.com/story/trump-big-lie-conspiracy-government [12:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.teenvogue.com | From Trumps Big Lie to Repressive State Laws, National Politics Are Still in Disarray | Teen Vogue [12:30] techrights-news NEWS #TheSundayTimesUK #Microsoft Stop bowing to #Beijing , MPs tell #LinkedIn https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stop-bowing-to-beijing-mps-tell-linkedin-rvnkjxh0v [12:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thetimes.co.uk | Stop bowing to Beijing, MPs tell LinkedIn | Business | The Times [12:31] techrights-news NEWS #BroadbandBreakfast #Internet #Broadband Breakfast Interview with John Busby of #BroadbandNow About #FCC Data Errors https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/07/broadband-breakfast-interview-with-john-busby-of-broadbandnow-about-fcc-data-errors/ [12:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-broadbandbreakfast.com | Broadband Breakfast Interview with John Busby of BroadbandNow About FCC Data Errors : Broadband Breakfast [12:31] techrights-news NEWS #BroadbandBreakfast #Monopolies Federal Trade Commission Expands #Antitrust Enforcement By Rescinding Obama-Era Policy https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/07/federal-trade-commission-expands-antitrust-enforcement-by-rescinding-obama-era-policy/ [12:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-broadbandbreakfast.com | Federal Trade Commission Expands Antitrust Enforcement By Rescinding Obama-Era Policy : Broadband Breakfast [12:32] techrights-news NEWS #DontExtraditeAssange #wikileaks Politicians globally call on US President Joe Biden to drop the prosecution against Julian #Assange https://dontextraditeassange.com/press-release/politicians-globally-call-on-us-president-joe-biden-to-drop-the-prosecution-against-julian-assange/ [12:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontextraditeassange.com | Politicians globally call on US President Joe Biden to drop the prosecution against Julian Assange - Don't Extradite Assange [12:34] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #BitTorrent BitTorrent Turns 20: The File-Sharing Revolution Revisited https://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-turns-20-the-file-sharing-revolution-revisited-210702/ [12:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BitTorrent Turns 20: The File-Sharing Revolution Revisited * TorrentFreak [12:34] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ISP Doesn't Have to Expose Alleged Movie Uploaders, Dutch Supreme Court Rules https://torrentfreak.com/isp-doesnt-have-expose-alleged-movie-pirates-dutch-supreme-court-rules-210702/ [12:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ISP Doesn't Have to Expose Alleged Movie Pirates, Dutch Supreme Court Rules * TorrentFreak [12:35] techrights-news NEWS #KrebsOnSecurity #SmartShit #MyBook Another 0-Day Looms for Many #WesternDigital Users https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/07/another-0-day-looms-for-many-western-digital-users/ [12:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Another 0-Day Looms for Many Western Digital Users Krebs on Security [12:37] schestowitz CrystalMath: yes, indded [12:37] schestowitz shows you who controls our government and why [12:40] techrights-news "I do agree with those emphasising an inhouse Gemini solution (especially as I enjoy parsing). I similarly could rely on eLinks own approach to bookmarking" https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006821.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006820.html [12:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | (f)eLinks, Gemini and The XML Bookmark Exchange Language (XBEL) [12:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | (f)eLinks, Gemini and The XML Bookmark Exchange Language (XBEL) [12:52] schestowitz This coming week more EPO exposes [12:52] schestowitz hard work ongoing [12:53] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/759591.jpg [12:57] techrights-news Wnenever the government and the #corporateMedia speak of "unemployment" be sure to point out Work Participation Rate is the ACTUAL number of importance (and things are GRIM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workforce [12:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Workforce - Wikipedia ● Jul 03 [13:00] techrights-news Example: "As of 2010 in the United States, 123 million women age 16 years and over have worked in the U.S., 72 million, or 58.6 percent, were working or looking for work." That means over 41% were in effect unemployed, either unable or unwilling but over time more are unable as there are no jobs. That's the REAL unemployment rate. Don't let 'news' papers lie to you or shame/stigmatise those not working. [13:01] techrights-news NEWS #CounterPunch #Propaganda Blitz https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/07/02/propaganda-blitz/ [13:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Propaganda Blitz - CounterPunch.org [13:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.71 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 37.18 swarm size (avg): 308.28 [13:03] techrights-news NEWS #Site36 #eu New regulation: #Europol becomes quasi-secret service https://digit.site36.net/2021/07/02/new-regulation-europol-becomes-quasi-secret-service/ [13:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-digit.site36.net | New regulation: Europol becomes quasi-secret service Matthias Monroy [13:08] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #ATandT Has DC Pushing The Idea That 'Big Tech' Should Give 'Big Telecom' Billions For No Coherent Reason https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210629/08535647083/att-has-dc-pushing-idea-that-big-tech-should-give-big-telecom-billions-no-coherent-reason.shtml [13:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AT&T Has DC Pushing The Idea That 'Big Tech' Should Give 'Big Telecom' Billions For No Coherent Reason | Techdirt [13:09] techrights-news #Darktable 3.6 Open-Source RAW Image Editor Released with Many New Features http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152985 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Darktable 3.6 Open-Source RAW Image Editor Released with Many New Features | Tux Machines [13:24] techrights-news NEWS #EFF #Internet The Future Is in Symmetrical, High-Speed Internet Speeds https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/07/future-symmetrical-high-speed-internet-speeds [13:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | The Future Is in Symmetrical, High-Speed Internet Speeds | Electronic Frontier Foundation [13:26] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams #Copyright #Copyrights Cop's Effort to Censor Witness Video With Copyrighted #TaylorSwift Song Backfires https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/02/cops-effort-censor-witness-video-copyrighted-taylor-swift-song-backfires [13:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Cop's Effort to Censor Witness Video With Copyrighted Taylor Swift Song Backfires | Common Dreams News [13:37] *inky_ (~inky@46.70.182.168) has joined #techrights [13:39] techrights-news #KDE Ends June With Wayland Fixes, More Responsive Plasma With Faster SVG Handling https://www.phoronix.com/assets/categories/kde.jpg [13:41] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [13:41] techrights-news #Darktable 3.6 in Phoronix and the original http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152985#comment-30135 [13:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Darktable 3.6 Open-Source RAW Image Editor Released with Many New Features | Tux Machines [13:45] Librarian immibis, I already explained that above: [13:46] Librarian 15:01 < Librarian> It was not accepted by the slave owners of the American south in the 1850s, because they said that abolishing slavery would deprive them of their "freedom" to own slaves. [13:46] Librarian 15:02 < Librarian> That's why socialists who attempt to impose socialism on people against their free choice are seen as exactly the same as slave-owners of the American south in the 1850s. [13:46] techrights-news #GNOME 40.2 on Debian / Ubuntu JHBuild GNOME Latest http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152986 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 40.2 on Debian / Ubuntu JHBuild GNOME Latest | Tux Machines [13:46] Librarian 15:03 < Librarian> Socialists seek to commandeer the labor of others (and the goods acquired by such labor) against their choice and enforced with violence. [13:46] Librarian 15:03 < Librarian> They're enslavers. [13:47] Librarian My TV is the result of my labor. If you try to redirect the output of my labor to the resources of *your* choosing instead of *my* choosing, then, by definition, you're enslaving me. [13:49] Librarian That enslavement requires you to force me to work for the ends you determine, which is the opposite of freedom. Whereas, if we just leave each other alone to work for the ends we determine for ourselves, no violence must occur, and we get to choose for ourselves the results of our labor: that's peaceful, and it's the opposite of slavery, called "freedom." [13:51] Librarian Above I offered: 15:08 < Librarian> Would you like me to help you operate a web browser, so that you can look it up and figure out what the most common usage of the term "free market" is? [13:51] Librarian 15:08 < Librarian> I can guide you if you need such guidance. Let me know if you'd like my help in that way. [13:52] Librarian And now, since you misapplied the term "forcing" to the concept of "free market," I will now make good on that offer and show you where you could have read for yourself what the "free market" is and how it doesn't require me to force you to do anything: [13:52] Librarian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market [13:52] immibis Librarian: You seem to think that your imposition against my free choice doesn't count for some reason [13:52] Librarian That's because the free market doesn't require (nor even permit) "my imposition agianst your free choice." [13:52] Librarian You just made that up. It's false. It's factually wrong. [13:54] Librarian If you force me to labor for something *you* choose, then *that's* an "imposition against my free choice." But if you simply leave me alone, for *me* to labor for something *I* choose, then that's the opposite of an "imposition against my free choice;" that's called "freedom." [13:54] Librarian And the definition of "Free market" on the page I just provided the link to would have explained that, if you had done a simple web search and read it. [13:55] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [13:55] Librarian So, your semantic difficulty just goes away entirely if you stop making up falsehoods and stating things that are the exact opposites of these words' meanings. [13:55] Librarian So, stop doing that. [13:56] *inky_ (~inky@46.70.182.168) has joined #techrights [13:56] Librarian Let me know if there are any other really, really basic definitions of words that I can provide to you, to dispell your confusion. :D [13:57] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 03 [14:13] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@etyeeztkrma42.irc) has joined #techrights [14:13] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [14:13] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [14:13] Librarian immibis, do you happen to know where the phrase originated, in which evil socialist totalitarians attempted to brainwash people, through a concerted propaganda campaign and formalized attempts to rewrite dictionaries, to believe that "freedom is slavery?" Do you know the dystopian fiction literature in which that phrase, exactly as written, was popularized? [14:14] immibis Librarian: you seem to be saying the free market *obliges* you to impose against my free choice. I have the free choice to take your TV and leave some money, and by not allowing that, you are imposing against my free choice. [14:14] immibis in fact, I have the free choice to burn your house down and cover the yard in toxic radioactive goo, and by not allowing that, you are imposing against my free choice. [14:14] Librarian That's exactly the logic employed by slave-owners in the American south in the 1850s, to justify their unethical slavery. [14:15] Librarian "But I want to have the FREEEEEDOM to enslave black people!" [14:15] Librarian That's what vile, depraved socialists want to do today, too: "But I want to have the FREEEEEDOM to enslave *you* to force you to work for me to have a TV!" [14:16] Librarian But "freedom" and "slavery" are words that mean the opposite of each other, not the same thing. [14:17] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [14:17] Librarian So if you're trying to enslave me to work for ends *you* choose, then that's not freedom. That's enslavement. [14:17] Librarian immibis, do you happen to know where the phrase originated, in which evil socialist totalitarians attempted to brainwash people, through a concerted propaganda campaign and formalized attempts to rewrite dictionaries, to believe that "freedom is slavery?" Do you know the dystopian fiction literature in which that phrase, exactly as written, was popularized? [14:18] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@m8hmnwjcrt37i.irc) has joined #techrights [14:29] Librarian immibis: hello? Do you know what famous dystopian literature exposed the depravity of those attempting to conflate the words "freedom" and "slavery?" [14:29] immibis is it really so hard to accept that you are imposing against my free choice? [14:30] immibis cognitive dissonance, man. it's astounding [14:32] Librarian No; it's merely using terms in exactly the way they're defined in the dictionary, rather than attempting to reverse them to mean completely the opposite. [14:33] Librarian "Enslaving" someone is not "freedom." [14:33] Librarian It really is that simple. [14:33] Librarian immibis, do you happen to know where the phrase originated, in which evil socialist totalitarians attempted to brainwash people, through a concerted propaganda campaign and formalized attempts to rewrite dictionaries, to believe that "freedom is slavery?" Do you know the dystopian fiction literature in which that phrase, exactly as written, was popularized? [14:34] Librarian immibis, here's a hint: if you type that phrase into a web search engine, with quotes, exactly as I wrote it, you can find the answer quickly and easily. [14:38] Librarian Hmm, incapable of answering. Okay, well, that's an interesting comparison: [14:39] Librarian A. When immibis asks a question that hinges on the meaning of the terms "freedom" and "slavery," I can answer quickly and cite the dictionaries and Wikipedia articles that support my usage of those terms. [14:39] Librarian B. Whn I ask a question about where the conflation of such opposite terms was popularized, immibis tries desperately to avoid answering. [14:39] Librarian Which of the above, A or B, is a symptom of "cognitive dissonance?" [14:45] DaemonFC Even though "no surprise billing" is a federal law now, 30% of hospitals aren't complying at all and are daring the Biden Administration to come at them, and about another 20% are making it very hard to get at any useful data. Very corrupt industry. [14:46] DaemonFC The regulations say that the data for the 300 most common procedures performed in the hospital must be presented, including cash prices, and what insurance companies would pay, and that it must be presented to the public in a way that is easy to open on a personal computer. [14:47] *ybaumy has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:47] *ybaumy (~ybaumy@static.213.34.12.49.clients.your-server.de) has joined #techrights [14:47] DaemonFC The hospitals just don't want anyone to know because it's easier to rip someone off when they can't compare prices and won't know what anything costs until months later when a bill arrives. [14:47] *ybaumy has quit (Client Quit) [14:48] DaemonFC So we're dealing with the same problems that we were before, and even if you can get at any data, there's a conspiracy to drive prices higher anyway. So it won't help you much. ● Jul 03 [15:01] DaemonFC I want to move to a state in thee south or the west so bad. You know, it's shitholes like California, New York, and Illinois where someone can break into your house and stab you a bunch of times and then you'll be put on trial to see if you hit the guy with a lamp too many timees to get him off of you. [15:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.46 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 51.15 swarm size (avg): 308.26 [15:03] DaemonFC The reason blue states are fine if you're rich is you can just set up an enclave, build a tall metal fence around it, hire private police, get a security system, and so on. [15:04] DaemonFC In other words, you can Democratsplain to everyone else that they're racist for wanting a wall to keep trash out, but then it's okay to build one around yourself to keep the trash out. [15:05] schestowitz race is often a distraction in this particular context [15:05] schestowitz it divides people along lines other than class [15:05] blitzed Hospital lobbies should be setup like a fastfood joint, clearly posted prices of the most common everyday routine procedures...yankin appendix, gallbladder, etc. [15:05] schestowitz so the rich people can keep on pillaging [15:06] blitzed yeah, it should be like bodyshop/automechanic estimates, hospitals should be held to same kinda token standard at least [15:06] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #ElvisCostello Doesn't Care That A Pop Star Copied His Riffs; Says Every Musician Does That https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210629/15035347087/elvis-costello-doesnt-care-that-pop-star-copied-his-riffs-says-every-musician-does-that.shtml [15:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Elvis Costello Doesn't Care That A Pop Star Copied His Riffs; Says Every Musician Does That | Techdirt [15:07] DaemonFC Theere's no reason to fix anything, with the crime and filth and poverty. [15:07] DaemonFC All of your real backers are perfectly safe already. [15:07] DaemonFC That's why only the Republican party makes crime a campaign issue. [15:07] DaemonFC Their voters aren't wealthy and living in a fenced off area with private police. [15:08] DaemonFC yeah, it should be like bodyshop/automechanic estimates, hospitals should be held to same kinda token standard at least [15:08] DaemonFC It just kind of struck me as interesting about 10 years ago that the price for an appendectomy could range from $6,000 to $90,000. [15:09] DaemonFC I mean, there's just no way that the cost to the hospital fluctuates in a range like that. [15:09] blitzed many years back my father in law's was $120k [15:09] DaemonFC Yeah, that's the ressult of years of window dressing fixes that the government put in to shut people up. [15:09] blitzed god damn Federal Reserve. [15:09] DaemonFC Like, you can go into the ER and they have to see everyone. Right? [15:10] blitzed Nixon & Kissinger burned the gold standard. [15:10] DaemonFC Now if that asshole that hit me and complained about his back dosn't get an insurance settlement from my car inssurance, the hospital will bill him. [15:10] DaemonFC He's a felon degenerate deadbeat, and fat chance he'll ever pay jack shit.... [15:10] blitzed if the system didn't get all corrupted, prices wouldn't be so skyhigh [15:10] DaemonFC So they just pass it to someone else. [15:11] DaemonFC If he had beaten a child in Illinois and not Wisconsin he'd be sent to anger management classes and he'd be allowed to vote. Not that these sorts ever do. [15:11] DaemonFC They're too busy high on crack or something. [15:11] blitzed a few years back my wife's car insurance was raised for apparently no reason...so called to inquire, they specifically cited Obamacare *LOL* [15:12] DaemonFC Usually they just say "Costs are going up in your area.". [15:12] DaemonFC Or "Wildfires in California.". [15:12] phobos/fn 'We feel like it' [15:12] blitzed but yeah, everythgin is knocked so far outta whack, cutthroat world out there. [15:12] DaemonFC And you say "But I'm in Illinois and nothing's happening here and we're a separate risk pool you know.". [15:13] DaemonFC And they go "Don't know what to tell you then. Stuff happens.". [15:13] blitzed meanwhile when I was born, my dad was stocking grocery shelves, attending college...and he bought a beautiful home on a double lot for $19k *ROFLMAO* [15:13] DaemonFC I have to suffer because if mjg59 owns a car (it's probably the faggiest piece of shit Euro clown car out there), it's on fire. [15:13] blitzed back when the California Dream was still a thing hehe [15:13] DaemonFC Either from the California wildfires or from the race war. [15:14] blitzed racism is such a bogus construct [15:15] DaemonFC That Root Insurance started off as we don't insure bad drivers so you won't pay for other people's misbehavior. [15:15] DaemonFC But then they just kept raising prices and now you have potentially dodgy insurance from an app that spies on you, and it costs as much as any other company out there. [15:15] blitzed divide & conquer garbage, smokescreen to get the pawns saber-rattling [15:17] DaemonFC They basically lied to sucker people into giving them data, burned through venture capital, and now they're just the same as the big old expensive insurance company. [15:17] DaemonFC All of them want you to give them tons of data, and it can backfire and raise your rates. [15:18] DaemonFC They say oh you can save 10%, and then they use the data to raise your premium 20% vs what you would have paid had you given them nothing to begin with [15:18] DaemonFC You have to be very careful with those, especially the apps. [15:19] DaemonFC Because they spy on you and they ding you for holding your phone when they think you're driving. How could they possibly know you're the one driving? [15:21] Ariadne oh oh i know [15:21] Ariadne they actually don't, there's an API in iOS and in Google Play Services they ask [15:21] Ariadne those APIs work based on using your phone as a gyroscope [15:22] Ariadne when you curve to the left and right, the g-forces are different for the driver vs passenger [15:22] Ariadne so thats how they can tell [15:22] Ariadne but, yes, i don't use the "app" for my car insurance provider for this reason [15:22] DaemonFC Root said bus rides didn't count. [15:22] DaemonFC So I got on the bus and it said "driving". [15:23] DaemonFC And then it gave me a 9.6 out of 10 based on riding the Chicago bus around. [15:23] Ariadne yeah theres no way it can really know [15:23] DaemonFC I didn't drive at all for like a week. [15:23] DaemonFC Then it wrote me a really good car insurance rate based on the bus. [15:24] immibis Librarian: me enslaving you is my freedom and your lack of freedom [15:25] immibis if I can't enslave you, that's your freedom and my lack of freedom [15:28] Ariadne lmfao [15:28] MinceR lol [15:29] MinceR you're lucky bus drivers over there don't drive like the ones here [15:29] immibis and now your insurance policy is invalid because you admitted to defrauding them, and they'll never repay you but they'll happily take your premiums until then [15:29] immibis (which is not fraud on their part because they have more money than you) [15:29] immibis (and lawyers) [15:30] MinceR (and better connections to the government) [15:30] techrights-news #socialControlMedia is not social https://twitter.com/louisbarclay/status/1410675356093321216 [15:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@louisbarclay: I've had a @Facebook account since 2006 Today it was disabled When I submit ID: 'This decision can't be reversed' https://t.co/roAXcxS4hE [15:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@louisbarclay: I've had a @Facebook account since 2006 Today it was disabled When I submit ID: 'This decision can't be reversed' https://t.co/roAXcxS4hE [15:43] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:44] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:45] schestowitz DaemonFC: yes, spying in cars is a big and unexplored issue [15:45] schestowitz afaik, the fsf never speaks about it [15:46] schestowitz i cannot recall seeing rms ever speaking about it [15:46] schestowitz though I'm sure he wrote about it at some point [15:46] schestowitz DaemonFC: I might do an article about it now, not the first of its kind. input or talking points would help, like aspects that need covering.. [15:46] schestowitz I'm waiting for a 255MB video to finish uploading in the meantime [15:47] schestowitz I used to drive, my licence is still up to date, but I've not owned a car in years [15:47] schestowitz so hypocrisy would probably not be an issue, or "sour grapes" [15:48] schestowitz draft headline: The Unexplored or Scarcely-Explored Ethical Problems of Modern Cars With Proprietary Software That Drivers Cannot Remove/Replace [15:54] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [15:54] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights ● Jul 03 [16:00] DaemonFC With Google selling data to third parties, maybe you even get spied on by insurance companies anyway for using Waze or Google Maps and just don't even consider it. [16:00] DaemonFC They do a lot of nasty things in the background. They're not developing these apps for free. [16:01] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [16:03] schestowitz will add and quote [16:06] schestowitz draft nearly ready [16:06] schestowitz it'll be part of the series [16:08] Librarian That's exactly what the slave-owners of the American south said in the 1850s. [16:10] Librarian As if their "freedom" to do one very narrow thing (enslave others) was equal to the freedoms of others, to do *anything* (work for whom they want, live where they want, eat what they want when they want, conduct family life how they want, etc.) [16:10] Librarian So when you see people trying to equate the "freedom to enslave" with the freedom to determine all aspects of one's own economic, personal, and social life... that's how you know you're dealing with a psychopath. [16:11] *job has quit (connection closed) [16:11] *pandakekok9 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:11] Librarian That's what socialists do, and that's how we know all socialists outside of kibbutzim and communes are violent, greedy psychopaths. [16:12] Librarian Now, let's see if you're still suffering from horrible, debilitating, mind-crippling cognitive dissonance this morning: [16:12] Librarian immibis, do you happen to know where the phrase originated, in which evil socialist totalitarians attempted to brainwash people, through a concerted propaganda campaign and formalized attempts to rewrite dictionaries, to believe that "freedom is slavery?" Do you know the dystopian fiction literature in which that phrase, exactly as written, was popularized? [16:15] *koo7 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [16:15] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/759380.jpg [16:17] *koo6 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [16:17] schestowitz Does Torvalds eat that? [16:17] schestowitz that might explain the weight issues... [16:18] schestowitz DaemonFC: it's ready.. [16:18] schestowitz *if you are [16:21] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/07/03/proprietary-software-inside-cars/ [16:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Unexplored or Scarcely Explored Ethical Problems With Modern Cars With Proprietary Software That Drivers Cannot Remove/Replace | Techrights [16:27] saint_dogbert/fn I won't buy from McDonalds after they went woke [16:27] saint_dogbert/fn feel better too after ditching them [16:29] *ybaumy (~ybaumy@static.213.34.12.49.clients.your-server.de) has joined #techrights [16:31] schestowitz what about the anti-woke chiken fillet? [16:31] schestowitz *cken [16:31] schestowitz those places ought not get political in the first place [16:31] schestowitz focus on food [16:31] schestowitz Groklaw used to have a very strict "no politics" policy [16:31] schestowitz which PJ enforced a lot [16:32] schestowitz some people try to win technical 'argument' by painting the opponent [some political ideology] [16:32] schestowitz we see a lot more of that in recent years... [16:33] techrights-news The Unexplored or Scarcely Explored Ethical Problems With Modern Cars Containing #ProprietarySoftware That Drivers Cannot Remove/Replace http://techrights.org/2021/07/03/proprietary-software-inside-cars/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/03/proprietary-software-inside-cars/ [16:33] saint_dogbert/fn Honestly, I have a hard time buying from Chik-fil-a as well if thats who you are talking about [16:34] saint_dogbert/fn I prefer to purchase from companies that stay out of politics [16:34] saint_dogbert/fn thats why I don't buy coke or pepsi products much anymore either [16:34] schestowitz pepsi also does this?? [16:34] schestowitz maybe I should ask RMS if he still drinks pepsi [16:35] schestowitz tbh, he should drink none of that chemical+water crap [16:35] saint_dogbert/fn Yep. Pepsi got in on that anti vote integrity stuff and nonsense about the GA voter bill [16:35] schestowitz he likes tea though [16:35] schestowitz he brings his own teabags with him [16:35] saint_dogbert/fn He probably makes his own tea bags [16:35] schestowitz I remember when I met him in lincoln, he'd only ask for boiled water [16:35] saint_dogbert/fn seeing as how Lipton and others have a proprietary formula ;) [16:35] schestowitz he brought his own teabags of choice [16:36] schestowitz well, proprietary formula isn't the issue [16:36] schestowitz ingridients need to be names [16:36] schestowitz for allergies, vegetarians, vegans... [16:36] saint_dogbert/fn It was a bad joke [16:36] immibis i don't know why you keep repeating the same stuff over and over. Repetition doesn't create relevance [16:36] schestowitz some people also want to know if any of the other products in the same factory have animal parts [16:37] schestowitz so they can avoid those companies for those OTHER products, not the ones they market to vegans [16:37] schestowitz new: [16:37] schestowitz [23:58] "manufacturer is recalling due to the presence of milk, a known allergen, which is not listed on the packaging." https://romesentinel.com/stories/price-chopper-issues-voluntary-recall-of-popcorn,115637 [16:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-romesentinel.com | Price Chopper issues voluntary recall of popcorn | Rome Daily Sentinel [16:37] saint_dogbert/fn https://www.okayplayer.com/originals/pepsi-black-lives-matter-conscious-branding.html [16:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.okayplayer.com | When Being Woke Goes Wrong: Pepsi, Black Lives Matter & Conscious Branding [16:38] saint_dogbert/fn https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9460159/Heads-Starbucks-Pepsi-business-leaders-push-against-voter-restriction-laws.html [16:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Heads of Starbucks and Pepsi among business leaders to push back against voter restriction laws | Daily Mail Online [16:38] schestowitz I wonder what boardroom meetings are like [16:39] schestowitz and who they put in those boards [16:39] schestowitz and why [16:39] DaemonFC I won't buy from McDonalds after they went woke [16:39] schestowitz instead of talking about things like allergans in their procusts [16:39] DaemonFC How did McDonalds go woke? [16:39] schestowitz someone goes like, "HEY! Let's talk about Trump!!" [16:39] DaemonFC That chicken nugget meal? [16:39] saint_dogbert/fn Honestly, I think if there wasn't any fraud in US elections, these people would be all about the audits and election integrity laws, but since they are so against it, it makes me think that there is a lot of fraud and that its organized [16:40] schestowitz the conern is that US democracy is being discredited [16:40] schestowitz and that leads to instability [16:40] DaemonFC Oh big whoop. Nobody cares about Burn Loot Murder. They only name chicken nugget meals after some shit-ass rapper to sell chicken nuggets to retards that actually pay attention to "news" blurbs. [16:40] DaemonFC (Paid for.) [16:40] schestowitz maybe nto democracy but at least the voting process [16:40] schestowitz i.e. by means by which to oust a loathed regime [16:41] saint_dogbert/fn McDonalds is caving to the $15 per hour crowd [16:41] saint_dogbert/fn They also donate to blm/antifa [16:41] *includeals has quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in) [16:42] saint_dogbert/fn https://www.wnd.com/2021/04/4905837/ [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wnd.com | 1,000 'woke' companies unite against election-integrity laws [16:42] saint_dogbert/fn also on the list of companies fighting election integrity laws [16:42] DaemonFC " Steering being tinkered" [16:43] DaemonFC tinkered with [16:43] saint_dogbert/fn Right up there with Coke, Pepsi, Delta, Microsoft, Paypal, etc [16:43] DaemonFC "Steering being tinkered would be a lot more difficult to do covertly because of the way steering wheels are physically attached to actual wheels" [16:43] DaemonFC No, actually it wouldn't. [16:43] DaemonFC Many new car designs have full power steering controlled by motors that are controlled by software. [16:44] DaemonFC There's no longer any link at all between the steering wheel and the steering system. If the system goes out, you have no control over the car at all. [16:44] *includeals (~includeal@a94-132-179-31.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrights [16:44] DaemonFC It's incredibly dangerous. [16:44] saint_dogbert/fn carmageddon! [16:45] DaemonFC There's also no physical link between the accelerator and the throttle since about 2004 or 2005 on many cars. [16:45] immibis the question is whether it's more or less dangerous than before, and how much. Mechanical parts can also break or seize [16:45] DaemonFC It's just a sensor. [16:45] saint_dogbert/fn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hBqFc65ol4 for those that don't know what carmageddon is [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Carmageddon: Reincarnation - Valentine's Day Massacre Trailer - YouTube [16:46] DaemonFC A car with little/no computer controlled components can just end up being repaired indefinitely and kept in service. [16:46] DaemonFC That's not what they want. [16:46] DaemonFC They want to sell more new cars. [16:47] *includeals has quit (Client Quit) [16:47] immibis so the capitalism problem again [16:47] DaemonFC The Waukegan Police even still use Impalas that are as old as mine (2000-2004 style) and they still work. They hand them to ancillary tasks, like probation going out to check on people. The actual cops drive stuff that's newer. [16:48] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [16:48] immibis the capitalism problem is capitalism only works when people are selling and buying stuff, but eventually people already bought most of what they want and the buying slows down, [16:48] immibis so sellers have to come up with artificial tricks to force more sales [16:49] *includeals (~includeal@a94-132-179-31.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrights [16:49] schestowitz DaemonFC: adding you to footer [16:49] saint_dogbert/fn like MS and the TPM nonsense [16:50] saint_dogbert/fn Just to force new comp sales [16:50] schestowitz DaemonFC: see footnote in case of typos copied across [16:50] schestowitz *refresh) [16:51] DaemonFC schestowitz, Yes, and the TPM requirement doesn't matter much becaause many people bought a TPM because that's what the Windows PC Health App said was going to block Windows 11. [16:51] DaemonFC Then when they put it in and booted up and checked again, it said they were using a processor that was too old. [16:51] schestowitz in the future machines may refuse to boot certain OSes for being "too old" [16:52] schestowitz they will 'protect' your from 'unauthorised' OS [16:52] DaemonFC The laptop I am on right now is "too old" for Windows 11. It's from late 2016. [16:52] DaemonFC It runs Fedora 34 fine. [16:52] schestowitz some troll from Google even put the shit (shim)m for this in Linux [16:52] DaemonFC Oh mjg59? [16:53] DaemonFC You get peermission from Microsoft to use your laptop for about 5 entire years, even though with a new battery or plugged in it may have otherwise worked for 4-5 more years to come. [16:53] DaemonFC Wow. [16:54] DaemonFC They consider GNU/Linux compatibility to be like the MAFIAA considered the "analog hole". They tolerated it for a while because they didn't want to be sued or because they had "legacy" TVs out there that couldn't handle the DRM that would eventually come. [16:54] *inky_ (~inky@46.162.241.148) has joined #techrights [16:54] DaemonFC But then they set off the trap and now you can't use component video with Blu Ray. There wouldn't be a point. Even if your TV has that, it artificially degrades it down to SD anyway. [16:54] schestowitz that's also a national agenda [16:55] schestowitz when nations are controlled by corporations [16:55] schestowitz but if billions of people push back, their plans are curtailed [16:55] schestowitz right now they want to mandate "smart" meters on every home [16:55] schestowitz and they made up some "deadlines" [16:55] schestowitz of course you can push back [16:55] schestowitz like people do with "self service" checkouts [16:55] DaemonFC Yes, Communist Edison charges more if you don't have smart meters. [16:55] DaemonFC My landlord owns the building and put the smart meters in to get checks from the electric company. [16:56] DaemonFC Even though I have to pay the electric here and they get to spy on us now [16:56] schestowitz we pay more for rejecting them, yes [16:56] schestowitz I get the 'fines' will increase each year [16:56] schestowitz until I dump this provider [16:56] DaemonFC Well, you have electric choice in Illinois. In fact, it's just a scam. [16:56] schestowitz the spying will increase with each version (more sensors) [16:56] schestowitz DaemonFC: same provider [16:56] DaemonFC You get to choose the supplier, but Communist Edison gets the delivery monopoly and still sends you the bill. [16:56] schestowitz different brand [16:57] DaemonFC So your bill is from ComEd and your supplier is listed on the bill. [16:57] schestowitz yes, you get to choose a logo on your bill [16:57] schestowitz they call it energy reselling [16:57] schestowitz they use the word selling, like it's water or something [16:57] DaemonFC But supply is only about 40-50% of the bill and most providers can't or won't go lower than ComEd, except for bait and switch rates that last 3 months into a two year contract or something. [16:57] schestowitz even water should not be sold [16:57] schestowitz treated and redistributed [16:58] DaemonFC schestowitz, What happens is those energy companies pay people commissions to get you to sign up, but they don't hire those people directly. [16:58] DaemonFC So they go out and shove their foot in your door and try to get you to switch or hand them one of your bills so they can steal your account number, forge your signature, and then you have a "new electric company" all of a sudden and they made off with money. [16:58] DaemonFC Your money. [16:59] DaemonFC Things have gotten so bad that ComEd is running ads telling you to slam the door or hang up on people who want to see your ComEd bill because it's a scam. ● Jul 03 [17:00] DaemonFC Why would you open the door in the first place. [17:01] DaemonFC Me in South Chicago: *knock knock* So I go to look through the peep hole and it's two random black guys I don't know. So through the door I go "Who is it!?" and they want to see my ComEd bill. [17:01] DaemonFC I told them to go away before I called the police. [17:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.60 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 27.83 swarm size (avg): 308.11 [17:01] DaemonFC Oh here, either it's an energy scam or a home invasion. [17:01] DaemonFC Just let me open the door and talk to them. [17:01] *includeals has quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in) [17:02] DaemonFC It's like some war torn African country down there. You know, the Catholic church is committed to bringing them all over here so we can have more of it ourselves. [17:02] DaemonFC Just stick a gun on you and tie you up, rape your daughter, and make off with whatever they want from your apartment. [17:03] *includeals (~includeal@a94-132-179-31.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrights [17:03] DaemonFC You can't say anything about it because that's not the woke thing to do. Just write off your losses and be glad they didn't murder you yet. [17:03] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #Copyright #Copyrights LA Court Abusing Copyright #Law To Take Down (Unauthorized) Recording Of Britney Spears Hearing https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210701/17462547105/la-court-abusing-copyright-law-to-take-down-unauthorized-recording-britney-spears-hearing.shtml [17:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LA Court Abusing Copyright Law To Take Down (Unauthorized) Recording Of Britney Spears Hearing | Techdirt [17:04] DaemonFC schestowitz, I really had to bite my tongue at the Catholic legal place because the lady said the Philippines and Mexico are the hardest countries to immigrate to the US from. [17:04] DaemonFC What I wanted to say was if we're going to have a hard no list, it shouldn't be Mexico and the Philippines. [17:04] DaemonFC It should be all Arab countries and Africa. [17:04] DaemonFC Everyone knows where the murder and mayhem and terrorists are from. [17:05] schestowitz how the f* did you change the subject to this? [17:05] DaemonFC Oh those goddamned energy scammers. [17:05] DaemonFC They're "contractors". [17:05] DaemonFC So all you have to do is steal someone else's identity and use it to fill out your 1099, and then take the money from running the scam and then disappear. [17:06] DaemonFC Nobody knows who did it and the "energy company" says gee weren't we duped. [17:06] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #CFAA #Georgia Supreme Court Overturns Computer Crime Conviction For Man Who Copied Himself On #Emails Sent To His Boss https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210623/19401847049/georgia-supreme-court-overturns-computer-crime-conviction-man-who-copied-himself-emails-sent-to-his-boss.shtml [17:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Georgia Supreme Court Overturns Computer Crime Conviction For Man Who Copied Himself On Emails Sent To His Boss | Techdirt [17:06] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:07] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:07] DaemonFC So it's just another way for folks who don't want to get a job to steal from honest people and maybe even case your home for a later robbery. [17:07] DaemonFC The only good thing about foul weather is that it drives them off for a few months out of the year an then they don't pester you for a while. [17:09] techrights-news NEWS #meduza #ru #russia Court convicts one of #PussyRiot s former jailers of using illegal prison labor, sentences him to probation https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/07/02/court-convicts-one-of-pussy-riot-s-former-jailers-of-using-illegal-prison-labor-sentences-him-to-probation [17:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [17:10] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [17:10] DaemonFC "There have long been discussions about pacemakers that run proprietary software (and can in theory be remotely modified to assassinate a person)" [17:10] immibis DaemonFC: what is this movement to label everything capitalist as communist...? There is no thinking in that opinion. There is just a label bad=communist good=capitalist [17:10] DaemonFC You can assassinate yourself by putting your iPhone in your shirt pocket. [17:11] immibis The electric company forcing you to do whatever they want *is capitalist* [17:11] immibis (or they cut off your electricity or charge you extra) [17:11] DaemonFC immibis, The government gives them a monopoly over the entire state. The government sets thee rates. The government takes bribes from them and installs members of their board. [17:11] DaemonFC Communism. [17:11] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [17:12] DaemonFC The government mandates fees from the public on the electric bills to fund other "five year plans" to deal with "global warming", which is another government scam. [17:12] DaemonFC Excuse to control everything. [17:13] DaemonFC self-driving [17:13] DaemonFC You can get a ticket for actually using that, and it's not smart anyway. [17:13] DaemonFC The Tesla autodrive still regularly causes accidents, and you'll be responsible for that. [17:15] immibis DaemonFC: really? is it illegal to have an electric wire not controlled by them? [17:16] DaemonFC I mean, in theory you could not have electricity turned on, but in fact the city will inveestigate. It's against ordinance in many places to not have electric service if people live in the unit. [17:17] techrights-news Delay After Delay, Blunder After Blunder, the New Normal of #AntnioCampinos Faces Obstacles http://techrights.org/2021/07/03/no-new-normal-for-antonio-campinos/ #epo #unjustice #coverup #europe [17:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delay After Delay, Blunder After Blunder, the New Normal of Antnio Campinos Faces Obstacles | Techrights [17:17] DaemonFC You'll find that ond of the government's favorite things to do is grant itself thousands of laws that allow it to come in and do horrible shit to you even if it usually doesn't use any particular one of them. [17:17] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [17:18] immibis there are like so many ways to address this other than screaming "abolish the government" [17:18] immibis 1. vote for a better damn government. 2. get alternative electricity service. 3. go protest (worked for BLM, right?) [17:18] DaemonFC Oh, I don't think we should abolish the government and leave it at that. [17:18] DaemonFC Most of them should be hanged as well. [17:18] immibis and it's certainly not communist. Every corporation *wishes* to have that kind of government-preferred status and they will bribe the government to do so [17:19] DaemonFC Why do you think I stay in my house most of the time? [17:19] DaemonFC It's the closest you can be to free of the government. You go outside and it's much easier to accuse you of having violated one of any number of laws. [17:20] DaemonFC Should be kept to a minimum. [17:20] immibis if that's the case then you are mentally ill - sorry to be blunt. You should seek help for that agoraphobia so you can address it and live more normally. [17:20] immibis DaemonFC: what do you think about COVID? [17:20] immibis is it a threat, or is it a hoax? [17:21] DaemonFC It's not that big of a deal at this point for sure. [17:21] DaemonFC And thee government reaction to it killed more people in the end than the virus. [17:21] immibis do you think people who stayed home to avoid COVID were being silly and overreacting? [17:21] XRevan86 The silliest thing about Usonians is that they think they know what democracy looks like. [17:21] DaemonFC Suicides and poor health. [17:21] DaemonFC Not everyone who was killd by the overreaction is dead yet. [17:21] DaemonFC Not for months or years. [17:21] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #FB Court Rejects #Facebook User's Lawsuit Demanding $10 Million Per Day In Damages For Having His Posts Removed https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210630/17451347101/court-rejects-facebook-users-lawsuit-demanding-10-million-per-day-damages-having-his-posts-removed.shtml [17:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Court Rejects Facebook User's Lawsuit Demanding $10 Million Per Day In Damages For Having His Posts Removed | Techdirt [17:22] immibis DaemonFC: do you think people who stayed home for months to avoid COVID were being silly and overreacting? [17:22] DaemonFC The real reason the government did what it did was to expand its power and keep the assholes who run the government safe. [17:22] DaemonFC They don't care about anything else. [17:22] DaemonFC You notice the judges are STILL hiding behind Zoom. [17:22] immibis DaemonFC: if we'd followed it we would've ended COVID [17:22] DaemonFC Fucking spineless pieces of shit. [17:23] immibis because of delusional people like you, we didn't. fucking spineless pieces of shit. [17:23] immibis can't even stand up against a deadly virus [17:23] DaemonFC No, COVID is still a problem in countries that reacted even more ridiculously. [17:23] DaemonFC A bigger problem, in fact. [17:23] immibis like australia and new zealand? [17:24] DaemonFC Because they have government healthcare and vaccines that barely work. [17:24] DaemonFC Ask Roy. [17:24] DaemonFC Canada is in worse shape. [17:24] immibis canada failed the vaccine game and they failed to close their borders and they failed to get people to achieve the goal. Next! [17:24] DaemonFC Canada has socialized medicine and they wanteed to play I'm not gonna pay a lot for this muffler with the vaccines. [17:25] DaemonFC And so the left completely fucked their country up. [17:26] DaemonFC The US healthcare system is pretty messed up. In fact, the government plans are the worst you know. [17:26] immibis the right-wing US healthcare system? [17:26] DaemonFC If you want an established patient visit with your doctor on Medicare, you mightt actually have to wait 3 months to get in. [17:26] DaemonFC If you have a private plan, probably next week at the latest. [17:27] immibis the US right managed to take a leftist plan that's worked everywhere else and pervert it with right-wing elements that caused it to fail [17:27] DaemonFC The Democrats always blame the Joe Manchins, but at the time they passed the Unaffordable Care Act to give everyone $8,000 deductibles, they had 60 Democrats in the Senate. [17:28] DaemonFC They could have passed literally anything they wanted to, ignoring their right-most flank entirely. Cutting them out of the process. [17:28] immibis the democrats are right-wing [17:28] immibis so i don't know why you keep blaming the left [17:28] immibis they're just lefter than the other right wing [17:29] MinceR 03 181818 < immibis> 1. vote for a better damn government. 2. get alternative electricity service. 3. go protest (worked for BLM, right?) [17:29] MinceR 1. in most places, no such options are available [17:29] MinceR hell, in many places, people don't even get free elections [17:29] immibis at the high levels of government there are no better options. But at the low levels, there are PLENTY of better options. [17:29] immibis and if people vote for those options, they will filter up [17:29] MinceR 2. how will you build one if there's none? [17:30] MinceR 3. maybe it would work, if the masses weren't clueless [17:30] MinceR (too clueless to make democracy function) [17:30] immibis put solar panels on your roof. put a wind turbine in your back yard. get a diesel generator. get a bunch of wiring and wire up your neighbours too. you are now an electric company. [17:30] MinceR immibis: what do you mean by "low levels"? local government? [17:30] immibis MinceR: if they can manage to protest BLM they can manage to protest electricity prices [17:30] MinceR what if i can't afford to build energy storage? [17:31] immibis then get a job [17:31] immibis in capitalism anyone can do anything, or so they tell me [17:31] MinceR i don't have a mountain i can decapitate and turn into a hydroelectric storage facility [17:31] immibis in capitalism anyone can do anything, or so they tell me [17:31] MinceR they're wrong [17:31] DaemonFC BLM mostly achieved bans on Critical Race Theory and laws allowing people to run over rioters and claim self-defense. [17:31] DaemonFC Whoops. [17:32] DaemonFC If someone's attacking my car, guess what happens. [17:32] DaemonFC I hit the gas. [17:32] DaemonFC It's totally reasonable. People should use jury nullification to let people who were defending themselves go. [17:32] immibis hmm. what if someone's attacking my person, can I shoot them? [17:33] MinceR that's what self-defense is, isn't it? [17:33] immibis if so, DaemonFC is giving permission for those people to legally shoot him [17:33] immibis and i bet if they shoot him he'll blame it on the communist government (despite america being the most capitalist country in existence) [17:35] DaemonFC If they're black and we're in Illinois, they'll probably either never be found or threaten to burn down the country if the perp doesn't walk. [17:35] DaemonFC So it won't matter much I guess. [17:35] DaemonFC First, you have to get the cops to give a shit and do their job. (LOL) [17:35] immibis only two things ever come out of DaemonFC's mouth: 1. "X is communist and therefore bad!" and 2. "Black people are bad because X!" [17:35] DaemonFC Then you have to get past the liberal namby-pamby prosecutors who don't prosecute black people. [17:36] MinceR self-defense doesn't apply to the first offender [17:36] DaemonFC Then you have to get a jury that's going to have black people on it to convict. [17:37] DaemonFC The jury system is biased against white defendants. [17:37] DaemonFC White jurors hold white people accountable, but that's largely not true with black jurors who see a black defendant. [17:37] DaemonFC So it's basically a modern take on the "all white jury" complaints from 100 years ago. [17:38] DaemonFC Somehow that was very wrong, but this is not. [17:38] immibis MinceR: so if I steal your ballpoint pen, and you run me over with your car in response, I don't get to shoot you to defend myself from that? [17:39] DaemonFC This morning, the news in Chicago reported on a man who walked up and shot his neighbor over a noisy stereo after having previously wwarned him a few times. [17:40] DaemonFC I wrote this reply: "Everyone's had a neighbor with a loud stereo who wouldn't turn it down to a reasonable volume or responded to a polite request to turn it down a little by cranking it up. [17:40] DaemonFC When you turn the neighbor's apartment into a torture rack from Guantnamo Bay, you should really consider who you're pissing off. Especially in the south side of Lori's gun-free mostly peaceful Democrat city. [17:40] DaemonFC The cops may have arrested the shooter, but he probably got a standing ovation from anyone with a job who lived in the building on the way out." [17:41] immibis DaemonFC: So you agreed with the shooter in this case? [17:42] DaemonFC It's just a fact that more people than not would have been glad this guy got shot if they had to go to work this morning and this guy was making it impossible for them to sleep. [17:42] immibis DaemonFC: You don't think the neighbour should have shot the would-be shooter for trespassing? [17:42] DaemonFC Yeah, if I had been _a_ neighbor I would have been glad the guy was dead. [17:43] DaemonFC I wouldn't have shot him, but I'd be glad that he wasn't an issue anymore. [17:43] DaemonFC Plus, bonus, the police got rid of the shooter, which is probably in a gang and no way did he have the gun legally. [17:43] DaemonFC So it's a twofer. [17:44] immibis DaemonFC: sounds like you would sympathize with BLM [17:44] DaemonFC Does anyone really care HOW the guy with the loud stereo was dealt with as long as he's not keeping you up unttil 4 AM on a work night? [17:44] immibis except you wouldn't because they're black and you're racist [17:44] DaemonFC I mean really? [17:45] DaemonFC MinceR? [17:45] DaemonFC Your take? [17:45] immibis DaemonFC: you are proposing the death penalty as a consequence of loud music. Can I assume that you would never propose that penalty for a white person? [17:45] DaemonFC Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. He was asked politely twice before he got shot. [17:45] immibis for example, if you played loud music, and then got shot and went to the afterlife, would ghostly you be thinking the shooter was in the right? [17:45] DaemonFC It's not like oops I was watching a movie a little loud and the guy just shot me. [17:46] immibis What if a black person asked you politely twice to stop using racial slurs, then shot you the third time? [17:46] DaemonFC If he had responded by lowering the volume and said "I'm so sorry. I didn't know I was bothering you. I will turn it down.", he wouldn't have been ventilated. [17:46] DaemonFC He was warned. [17:47] immibis DaemonFC: what do you think about vigilante justice in general, especially severe penalties for relatively minor crimes? [17:47] immibis do you think the death penalty is an appropriate consequence for using the N word? [17:47] DaemonFC Well, you know, I think there's definitely a case for that. [17:48] DaemonFC It came up in the movie Judge Dredd. They couldn't get the crime under control and Jrgen Prochnowsuggested the death sentence for lesser crimes. [17:48] immibis And do you think that is something that should happen? [17:48] DaemonFC I personally wouldn't be bothered at all if they doled out the death sentence for many more felonies. [17:48] immibis If you think it's appropriate to shoot people in the face for driving 1kmph over the speed limit, then no wonder you're too afraid of the government to leave your house. [17:49] immibis Luckily for you, the government isn't actually as bad as your right-wing brainwashing sources have been telling you [17:49] DaemonFC You would only have to worry about them hanging you if you had a trove of child porn or went around raping and mugging people. [17:49] DaemonFC So what do we lose, really, under my system? [17:49] immibis DaemonFC: liberty [17:49] DaemonFC You take out the trash and people can go for a walk at night in Chicago. [17:50] DaemonFC "QUIT BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE!!!" Jim Carey, Liar Liar [17:51] immibis It's the closest you can be to free of the government. You go outside and it's much easier to accuse you of having violated one of any number of laws. [17:51] immibis DaemonFC: you think that all of those minor laws that you can accidentally violate by going outside, should have the death penalty? [17:51] immibis DaemonFC: You could not go for a walk at night in Chicago. Or in the day. You'd accidentally break some minor law and get shot by the police. [17:51] immibis public execution [17:52] DaemonFC We don't execute people for misdemeanors. [17:52] DaemonFC Hell, we usually don't even send them to county jail if it's their first or even fifth one. [17:52] DaemonFC It's usually a fine and a little probation. [17:52] DaemonFC Go clean up the park. [17:52] immibis DaemonFC: but you're saying we should execute people for misdemeanors [17:52] immibis playing loud music is a misdemeanor [17:53] DaemonFC It's actually not even that. [17:53] DaemonFC It's a petty offense. [17:53] DaemonFC In Illinois, there's a step lower than misdemeanor. [17:53] immibis DaemonFC: so you think we should execute people for petty offenses, then [17:53] techrights-news Top 8 Linux Distributions for Developers in 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152987 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 8 Linux Distributions for Developers in 2021 | Tux Machines [17:53] DaemonFC If the only possible outcome is a fine of $1,000 or less, it's a petty offense. [17:54] techrights-news 10 Best Free Linux Chess Apps (Updated 2021) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152988 #gnu #linux [17:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 Best Free Linux Chess Apps (Updated 2021) | Tux Machines [17:54] DaemonFC DaemonFC: so you think we should execute people for petty offenses, then [17:54] DaemonFC Well, 1. It's impossible to get the police to do anything about a loud asshole with a stereo. [17:55] schestowitz Mindless clickbait https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-linux-internet-pet-feeders-top-weekend-tech-tales-2021-7?r=US&IR=T [17:55] immibis DaemonFC: Do you think I should be criminally liable if I spread COVID to you which causes you to die? [17:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Bill Gates, Linux and Internet Pet Feeders; Top July 4th Weekend Tech Tales [17:55] DaemonFC 2. If they actually did come out and fine them $1,000 for the loud stereo, I wouldn't be trying to defend this guy becoming exasperated from lack of sleep and shooting the dude upstairs. [17:56] techrights-news #Proprietarysoftware which is being remotely updated by third parties (untrusted companies, sometimes even malicious and unauthorised actors) can pose a threat to both drivers and passengers http://techrights.org/2021/07/03/proprietary-software-inside-cars/ #Techrights #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/03/proprietary-software-inside-cars/ [17:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Unexplored or Scarcely Explored Ethical Problems With Modern Cars Containing Proprietary Software That Drivers Cannot Remove/Replace | Techrights [17:56] DaemonFC But 3. It's Illinois, so even if the police did come out over a noise complaint, and did fine the asshole $1,000 for loud stereo, he'd just stiff them anyway because he's black and the BLM Caucus passed a bill that makes it damned near impossibble to enforce fines levvied on black people. [17:57] immibis aha! I knew the victim was black because you would never ever ever defend such a shooting towards a white person [17:57] DaemonFC There's almost no consequences for failure to pay a fine now assuming you don't use a bank account and don't care about your credit rating. [17:57] techrights-news The tribunals of the #EPO seem to have become too conscious of the fact that theyre scrutinised closely by the public (the injustice and lack of impartiality is too obvious for everyone to spot) http://techrights.org/2021/07/03/no-new-normal-for-antonio-campinos/ #Techrights #Europe | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/03/no-new-normal-for-antonio-campinos/ [17:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delay After Delay, Blunder After Blunder, the New Normal of Antnio Campinos Faces Obstacles | Techrights [17:57] immibis DaemonFC: Do you think I should be criminally liable if I spread COVID to you which causes you to die? [17:58] DaemonFC So the only leverage that they have is against white people who know if they don't pay their fines they'll be cast down into the slums. [17:58] DaemonFC The folks who run around stiffing landlords, not paying their child support.... [17:58] immibis DaemonFC: Do you think I should be criminally liable if I spread COVID to you which causes you to die? [17:59] DaemonFC Having another fine is like one more cobweb in the haunted house. [17:59] immibis DaemonFC: Do you think I should be criminally liable if I spread COVID to you which causes you to die? [17:59] DaemonFC No, because that's like the felony HIV transmission laws that they tried to pass. ● Jul 03 [18:00] DaemonFC They didn't want to punish people for HIV transmission because it had a state purpose. [18:00] immibis DaemonFC: Do you think I should be criminally liable if I spread a mild cold to you which causes you to not sleep that night? [18:00] DaemonFC They wanted to criminalize and stigmatize having HIV further than it already was. [18:00] immibis DaemonFC: Do you think I should be criminally liable if I spread a mild cold to you which causes you to not sleep that night? [18:00] DaemonFC Well, as with most laws, it's a crime if you intend to do something wrong. [18:01] immibis so you think I should be criminally liable if I spread COVID to you which causes you to die? [18:01] DaemonFC Most laws make knowingly harming someone else the root element or at least an aggravating factor. [18:01] immibis so you think I should be criminally liable if I spread COVID to you which causes you to die and I knew I had COVID and I knew I was in your proximity? [18:01] DaemonFC Proving what you knew is almost impossible. [18:02] DaemonFC See, most felony HIV transmission laws said you had to knowingly spread it. [18:02] techrights-news Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152989 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [18:02] immibis DaemonFC: so you don't think I should be criminally liable if I spread a mild cold to you which causes you to not sleep that night? [18:02] DaemonFC So a lot of people either didn't know they had it or didn't have to turn over their test results, either because of HIPAA or state laws, or because they took the test at home. [18:03] DaemonFC If a law requires you to know something in order to be guilty, then you can avoid being guilty by avoiding the knowledge itself. [18:03] DaemonFC Or at least plausibly claiming that you were ignorant. [18:03] DaemonFC It makes it much harder to prove the case. [18:04] immibis so how can you prove that man who got shot for loud music intended to do something wrong? [18:04] immibis it's because he's black, isn't it? [18:04] DaemonFC schestowitz would probably like where this is going as far as patents. [18:04] DaemonFC Many companies that get sued for patent infringement either don't research patents or claim that they didn't. [18:05] DaemonFC Knowingly violating a patent leads to higher damages if you get sued. [18:05] immibis so how can you prove that man who got shot for loud music intended to do something wrong? [18:05] immibis and if you can't prove that, why do you think he's criminally liable? [18:05] DaemonFC It probably wasn't just the stereo at that point. [18:06] immibis oh? are we going to make up other crimes that he did, with no evidence whatsoever? [18:06] DaemonFC The third time the guy came up there, the guy with the stereo probably told him to go fuck himself, and that was where it boild over. [18:06] immibis he's black therefore he was probably a criminal? [18:08] immibis DaemonFC: you are pulling crimes out of your ass where there are none. Do you see the racism here? [18:09] immibis isn't it convenient that you avoid such questions? [18:10] *koo555 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [18:13] *inky_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:13] *koo7 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [18:16] techrights-news #Darktable 3.6.0 Released, How to Install in Ubuntu 20.04, 21.04 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152985#comment-30136 [18:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Darktable 3.6 Open-Source RAW Image Editor Released with Many New Features | Tux Machines [18:18] *koo555 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [18:21] techrights-news Ankush Das now compares actual operating systems to #Microsoft #vapourware or promises (or marketing slant on Vista 10. #vista11 [18:22] techrights-news #HowTo try #GNU #Linux without touching your Windows installation https://technewsinc.com/how-to-try-linux-without-touching-your-windows-installation/ #technewsinc on redeeming a PC from #malware one little step at a time... [18:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-technewsinc.com | How to try Linux without touching your Windows installation [18:24] techrights-news "Stubbs The Zombie running through Steam Play on Linux." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We_9nnGsQaU #gnu #linux #games [18:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Stubbs The Zombie on Linux | Ubuntu 20.04 | Steam Play - YouTube [18:29] techrights-news the three taps of doom http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152990 #irc #slack #ptsd [18:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | the three taps of doom | Tux Machines [18:30] techrights-news Brendan Gregg: How To Add #eBPF #Observability To Your Product http://www.brendangregg.com/blog/2021-07-03/how-to-add-bpf-observability.html #kernel #linux [18:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.brendangregg.com | How To Add eBPF Observability To Your Product [18:33] techrights-news #Fedora 'Community' Blog (the #ibm means for recruiting unpaid lanour) https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/update-nest-with-fedora-cfp-registration-open/ [18:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Update: Nest with Fedora CfP & Registration Open Fedora Community Blog [18:34] techrights-news #Fedora 'Community' Blog (the #ibm means for recruiting unpaid labour) https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/update-nest-with-fedora-cfp-registration-open/ [18:34] techrights-news #XFS Sees A Lot Of Cleanups For Linux 5.14 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XFS-Linux-5.14 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/03/#latest [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-XFS Sees A Lot Of Cleanups For Linux 5.14 - Phoronix [18:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [18:35] techrights-news #CXL Bring-Up Continues - More Infrastructure For Linux 5.14, "More Meat" For Linux 5.15 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=CXL-For-Linux-5.14 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/03/#latest [18:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CXL Bring-Up Continues - More Infrastructure For Linux 5.14, "More Meat" For Linux 5.15 - Phoronix [18:35] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152991 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [18:36] techrights-news Linux 5.14 POWERs Up The Microwatt Soft CPU Core - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-POWER #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/03/#latest [18:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.14 POWERs Up The Microwatt Soft CPU Core - Phoronix [18:38] techrights-news Benjamin Weber: Uncovering Better Ways https://benjiweber.co.uk/blog/2021/07/03/uncovering-better-ways/ "How many better ways of working have you uncovered lately?" [18:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-benjiweber.co.uk | Uncovering Better Ways [18:40] techrights-news "Ive been evaluating the #nextCloud app and a Nextcloud instance on my home NAS as a possible alternative." https://jmtd.net/log/photos_and_whatsapp/ [18:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jmtd.net | jmtd log photos and whatsapp [18:48] techrights-news Bringing Breeze Redesign to Plasma Theme, part 1 //www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUYNu6zSCUw #kde #plasma #gnu #linux [18:48] techrights-news #ProprietarySoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152992 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:49] techrights-news #Texinfo 6.8 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152993 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Texinfo 6.8 released | Tux Machines [18:49] techrights-news #Kernel : #XFS , CXL, and POWER http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152994 #Linux #TuxMachines [18:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: XFS, CXL, and POWER | Tux Machines [18:53] DaemonFC Okay, I can't find any used bumper covers for my car that are in good shape. [18:53] DaemonFC I got one coming that's primed gray, which looks close enough to the color of the car itself. [18:53] DaemonFC It beats going around with one that's bashed in and half hanging on. [18:54] DaemonFC schestowitz, Not how I like to earn credit card points. [18:54] DaemonFC :P [18:54] DaemonFC There's been much of this lately. [18:54] techrights-news Googles #FuchsiaOS has this new logo. My view: #fedora ripoff, but #google makes it more like the octopus that it is, grabbing everybody's data forcibly https://9to5google.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2021/07/fuchsia-logo-2021-trademark.png [18:55] DaemonFC What can I say? The car is old. It has a lot of miles. But it runs fine. The engine seems to be fine. It's still getting the right gas mileage and everything. [18:55] DaemonFC This isn't the right time to buy a used car. [18:55] DaemonFC Prices are up 30-40% at least. [18:56] DaemonFC There's a price fixing conspiracy going on, and it's going to fall apart at some point. [18:56] techrights-news "Treating the current lockdown as a temporary setback to your personal finances can be one way to cope with the prevailing uncertain environment. While navigating financial setbacks has never been childs play, the fact that you are here to witness this period is a testimony of your resilience." https://www.newvision.co.ug/articledetails/107792 [18:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newvision.co.ug | Survival tactics during lockdown - New Vision Official [18:56] techrights-news Audiocasts/Shows: KDE Plasma, Stubbs The Zombie, and Small Brain Arch User Installs Gentoo http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152995 [18:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: KDE Plasma, Stubbs The Zombie, and Small Brain Arch User Installs Gentoo | Tux Machines [18:57] techrights-news #Fedora CfP & Registration Open, Googles Fuchsia OS Steals Fedora Logo http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152996 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora CfP & Registration Open, Googles Fuchsia OS 'Steals' Fedora Logo | Tux Machines [18:59] techrights-news If a small country like #denmark can reach semi finals in #euro2020 then #england with ~10 times the population should do the same after 25 years ● Jul 03 [19:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.03 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 24.75 swarm size (avg): 308.08 [19:02] schestowitz DaemonFC: in wall street also [19:02] schestowitz price-fixing, fictional values [19:02] schestowitz that helps the country pretend to be worth several times over what it's really worth [19:02] schestowitz companies that make losses like tesla valued at a trillion [19:02] schestowitz give me a breaj... [19:03] DaemonFC Yeah, just say it's valued at anything you want. [19:03] DaemonFC Cue Willie Wonka music. [19:03] DaemonFC schestowitz, They're valued higher than Ford. Ford makes money. [19:04] DaemonFC Moreover, Ford makes money selling products, not bullshit goverment "CAFE credits". [19:04] DaemonFC The liberals just use global warming as an excuse to increase poverty and lower living standards for the masses. [19:08] DaemonFC If market forces prevailed, cars that people actually want would be a few thousand dollars cheaper, and Tesla's creditors would be eating Elon Musk's bankrupt ass. [19:11] DaemonFC schestowitz, If there's anything good here, it's that I didn't replace those leaking headlamp covers. [19:12] DaemonFC I procrastinated and then that asshole bashed them out even worse, but they already needed replacing. [19:12] DaemonFC I just put it off with a drill driver. [19:12] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [19:13] DaemonFC I would have been supremely pissed if he bashed out two perfectly good headlamps that I had just replaced. [19:13] DaemonFC Procrastination not only paid off, but it saved me $300. [19:17] DaemonFC schestowitz, Insurance companiees have a pretty good rub even if you do carry full insurance. [19:17] DaemonFC They leave you with a deductible that would cost you more in premiums while also not covering a fender bender, leaving you to pay out of pocket anyway. [19:18] DaemonFC Most people get a $500-1000 deductible and then they run into someone's piece of shit and it does $700 worth of damage to their car. So they basically get nothing or close to nothing from tthe insurance people. Then sometimes not only do they not pay anything out, but they say "You made a claim, so your rates go up again even though we didn't pay for anything.". [19:19] DaemonFC Running a car insurance company is basically pure profit other than the folks who push papers there. [19:20] DaemonFC If you actually use it, they jack up your rates to where you pay more in _extra_ premiums than the accident cost them to cover. [19:20] DaemonFC On top of your usual premiums. [19:20] techrights-news Links 3/7/2021: Wine 6.12, #Darktable 3.6.0, and Texinfo 6.8 http://techrights.org/2021/07/03/texinfo-6-8/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/03/texinfo-6-8/ [19:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 3/7/2021: Wine 6.12, Darktable 3.6.0, and Texinfo 6.8 | Techrights [19:20] DaemonFC It's a scam that shouldn't even be legal. [19:20] DaemonFC Yet, you're forced to buy it. [19:21] techrights-news #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152997 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:21] Ariadne DaemonFC: you aren't [19:21] techrights-news #FreeSoftware in Europe http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152998 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software in Europe | Tux Machines [19:21] Ariadne DaemonFC: you can buy and post a surety bond instead [19:21] DaemonFC There should just be a law that says if you have an accident and the total claims are under $3,500 and you don't have more than 1 in a rolling 5 year period, insurance companies can't hold it against you. [19:22] techrights-news GNU/Linux Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152999 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:22] DaemonFC Ariadne> DaemonFC: you can buy and post a surety bond instead [19:22] techrights-news British #RightToRepair #Law http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153000 [19:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | British Right to Repair Law | Tux Machines [19:22] DaemonFC In like one state. [19:22] DaemonFC Illinois isn't New Hampshire. [19:23] Ariadne in Oklahoma and Wyoming too [19:23] Ariadne and Texas [19:23] DaemonFC Oh yay. Oklahoma. Let me pack. [19:23] DaemonFC :P [19:23] DaemonFC Come on Mandy. We're going where they don't have healthcare! [19:24] Ariadne ...? [19:24] Ariadne oklahoma has very good healthcare, actually. [19:24] DaemonFC It was a joke. [19:24] Ariadne a friend of mine got metastatic breast cancer and her entire out of pocket cost was $35 [19:24] DaemonFC It's kind of a backwater, and the state government has sabotaged the ACA to where you pay taxes but many people geet nothing for it. [19:25] Ariadne are you describing illinois ? :) [19:25] DaemonFC Like, everyone has to pay federal taxes, but some states refuse Medicaid expansion even though the feds pay almost all of it. [19:25] DaemonFC Because hurting 2 million Texans really shows us! [19:26] DaemonFC Putting more Texas hospitals on the verge of collapse and causing them to shift uncompensated care to other people really hurts Illinois! [19:26] DaemonFC Oh do anything, just don't throw us in that briar patch! [19:27] DaemonFC are you describing illinois ? :) [19:27] DaemonFC I wouldn't say that red states have good government and that's the reason crime is low. [19:27] DaemonFC They just don't tend to attract a lot of minorities because they don't do big welfare programs. [19:28] DaemonFC And because they turned off the magnet, the crime never heads there because they would be expected to get _some_ kind of an income that didn't involve free rent and unreported income from slinging dope while the cops don't come out of the police station. [19:29] DaemonFC The mooch crowd heads to blue states because of cradle to grave welfare and lots of social workers and stuff that make it easy to sort of linger there. [19:29] DaemonFC Then they start in with their many many misdemeanors, and some felonies. [19:30] DaemonFC I live in a pretty bad area because it scares the shit out of other white people. [19:30] DaemonFC Cuts the rent in half. [19:30] Ariadne i see [19:30] Ariadne well, this is a fascinating worldview [19:30] DaemonFC You move to an area that's far away from them, the rent goes up another $700 for the same sized apartment. [19:31] DaemonFC White people bore easily, I guess, because they totally ignore all of the rehabbed old buildings that are actually pretty cool and move into ticky tacky that costs them an arm and a leg. [19:32] DaemonFC mjg59 probably lives in one of those, with his edison bulbs and Alexas. [19:36] *includeals has quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in) [19:39] *includeals (~includeal@a94-132-179-31.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrights [19:44] techrights-news Former #RedHat CEO Jim Whitehurst Steps Down from Role of IBM President | Data Center Knowledge http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152960#comment-30137 see http://techrights.org/2021/07/03/why-whitehurst-left/ #ibm [19:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Jim Whitehurst Leaves IBM | Tux Machines [19:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Investigation Needed Into the Full Story of Jim Whitehursts Departure From IBM | Techrights [19:48] techrights-news Words Are Weird: Lime https://blogs.gnome.org/zbrown/2021/words-are-weird-lime/ [19:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | Words Are Weird: Lime | Revelations of an imposter [19:49] *inky_ (~inky@46.70.182.168) has joined #techrights [19:59] techrights-news "David Wheeler is the foundations director of open source supply chain security." https://federalnewsnetwork.com/cybersecurity/2021/06/whats-an-sbom-and-what-does-it-have-to-do-with-federal-cybersecurity/ [19:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-federalnewsnetwork.com | Whats an SBOM and what does it have to do with federal cybersecurity? | Federal News Network ● Jul 03 [20:00] techrights-news Chips that are not produced "overseas" https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/01/micron_announces_euv_fabs_by/ [20:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Micron announces EUV fabs by 2024 as it flogs Utah facility to Texas Instruments The Register [20:02] techrights-news Does #microsoft also warn about its own #nsa back doors? If not, why not? https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/01/microsoft_netgear_security_advisory_dgn2200v1/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA [20:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Microsoft warns of serious vulnerabilities in Netgear's DGN2200v1 router The Register [20:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [20:03] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [20:03] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210628/11401347076/did-supreme-court-just-take-sledge-hammer-to-copyrights-statutory-damages.shtml [20:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Did The Supreme Court Just Take A Sledge Hammer To Copyright's Statutory Damages? | Techdirt [20:10] schestowitz S(C)otus [20:11] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [20:11] *inky (~inky@5.77.194.62) has joined #techrights [20:16] Ariadne the SBOM stuff is actually really exciting [20:16] Ariadne when you buy stuff in the future [20:16] Ariadne it will be the law in the US [20:16] Ariadne that they have to make the source available to you for your stuff you just bought [20:17] Ariadne for the components that are GPL etc [20:17] Ariadne and they have to do it in a standardized way [20:18] Ariadne but in the short term its gonna suck because there's penalties for getting it wrong [20:18] Ariadne and a lot of distros, alpine included, does not have all data 100% correct [20:23] Librarian The reason I keep repeating the question over and over is because it's a question, and you haven't answered it yet. [20:23] Librarian If you want the repetition to stop, it's very, very easy for you to accomplish that: simply answer the question. [20:24] techrights-news Mentions that #assange was a #debian dev https://dazeinfo.com/2021/07/03/happy-birthday-julian-assange-facts-wikileaks/ #wikileaks #transparency #activism [20:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Amazing Facts About Julian Assange: Who Dared To Challenge The Super Power - Dazeinfo [20:24] Librarian Here's the question again, to provide you with yet another opportunity to prove your intellectual capability and ability to think rationally: [20:24] Librarian immibis, do you happen to know where the phrase originated, in which evil socialist totalitarians attempted to brainwash people, through a concerted propaganda campaign and formalized attempts to rewrite dictionaries, to believe that "freedom is slavery?" Do you know the dystopian fiction literature in which that phrase, exactly as written, was popularized? [20:24] DaemonFC I hate it when they use software in something where it's just so not necessary. [20:25] DaemonFC Free, non-Free. It's usually non-Free, but just putting software in typically makes something less reliable. [20:25] DaemonFC Take braking for example. [20:25] DaemonFC For quite some time now, it's needed ABS sensors and an entire computer. [20:26] DaemonFC Even though normal brakes worked fine and meant less stuff to go out and require expensive repairs. [20:35] DaemonFC Netgear products are just cheap and full of lulz, schestowitz [20:35] DaemonFC You get what you pay for. They're cheap because their customer support is bad and they hardly ever update their firmware to correct severe security flaws. [20:37] techrights-news Hackers or crackers? Defensive ones? https://hackwarenews.com/top-ports-every-hacker-should-know/ [20:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackwarenews.com | Top Ports Every Hacker Should Know - Hack Ware News [20:38] techrights-news Securing the software supply chain. Achieving cyber deterrence. https://thecyberwire.com/newsletters/policy-briefing/3/126 #thecyberwire | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/03/#latest [20:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thecyberwire.com | Securing the software supply chain. Achieving cyber deterrence. [20:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [20:38] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153001 # #Linux #TuxMachines [20:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [20:43] techrights-news #OpenOffice at the top of the list seem a bit surprising in 2021 https://www.livemint.com/technology/tech-news/check-out-these-free-offline-alternatives-to-microsoft-s-office-suite-11625168301888.html #libreoffice [20:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.livemint.com | Check out these free offline alternatives to Microsoft's Office Suite [20:44] techrights-news #imperialism by #assassination and bombing #terror https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-militarys-eye-sky-why-global-hawk-powerful-asset-189182 [20:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nationalinterest.org | The U.S. Military's Eye in the Sky: Why the Global Hawk Is a Powerful Asset | The National Interest [20:46] techrights-news 7 essential #privacy tools to stay protected online https://www.komando.com/privacy/essential-privacy-tools/796650/ [20:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.komando.com | 7 essential privacy tools to stay protected online [20:48] techrights-news Criminals from #Microsoft corrupt the political system to distract from their own crimes https://www.tampafp.com/picking-winners-and-losers-heres-how-congress-antitrust-legislation-avoids-regulating-many-big-tech-companies/ see http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/ [20:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tampafp.com | Picking Winners And Losers Heres How Congress Antitrust Legislation Avoids Regulating Many Big Tech Companies [20:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights [20:49] techrights-news Why are they leaving #microsoft (the worst offender) alone? https://www.tampafp.com/mike-lee-klobuchar-urge-ftc-to-consider-all-available-options-against-facebook/ see http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/ [20:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tampafp.com | Mike Lee, Klobuchar Urge FTC To Consider All Available Options Against Facebook [20:50] *koo6 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [20:52] techrights-news #OpenZFS 2.1 is outlets talk about its brand-new #dRAID vdevs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152970#comment-30138 [20:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenZFS 2.1 Adds Linux 5.13 and InfluxDB Support, Distributed Spare RAID | Tux Machines [20:54] *schestowitz has quit (connection closed) [20:54] *schestowitz (~roy@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [20:54] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #techrights schestowitz ● Jul 03 [21:01] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [21:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.73 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 18.38 swarm size (avg): 308.13 [21:11] techrights-news Yes!!! 3-0. [21:15] DaemonFC MinceR, I remembered the Wishmaster. [21:15] DaemonFC Might have to watch those again. [21:15] DaemonFC "They're not so stupid, huh?" Wishmaster: "On the contrary. They're every bit as stupid as they look." [21:16] XRevan86 https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/961/966/a78.jpg [21:17] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [21:17] MinceR fishmonster! [21:17] MinceR lol @ pic [21:18] DaemonFC Some Facebook ad said owning a home in Chicago is cheaper than renting. [21:19] DaemonFC I said because the long term is that everyone knows Illinois is going to go down big time, from the credit rating firms to the people who live here. [21:19] DaemonFC So the opportunity cost is higher to own a home because you'll have a harder time fleeing the state when that happens. [21:19] DaemonFC Therefore, paying more rent is the cost of being able to bolt before the state goes under entirely. [21:21] DaemonFC Puerto Rico is poverty stricken and surrounded by an ocean. [21:21] DaemonFC People bought a plane ticket to the US mainland and took what they could carry with them, and the island lost 15% of its population since 2010. [21:22] DaemonFC What do you think happens when people want out of Illinois all at once? [21:23] techrights-news 4-0 now. 4 Manchester City players on pitch, 3 from Manchester United tonight. Maybe more later. #manchester #england #football #euro2020 [21:24] DaemonFC Puerto Rico has no representation in the federal government, so instead of getting a bailout, they got a bill that amounted to a repayment bankrupty that forced severe austerity on them. [21:24] *inky (~inky@5.77.194.62) has joined #techrights [21:34] *alextee has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:36] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [21:38] *inky (~inky@5.77.194.62) has joined #techrights [21:41] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:48] *alextee (~alextee@fu9znh3xmsrue.irc) has joined #techrights [21:52] immibis which phrase? the word "freedom"? [21:53] immibis I don't see why the origination of any phrase is relevant to the fact that you want to forcibly impose yourself on my free choice [21:54] techrights-news Build your own adorable, talking WALL-E robot | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/07/03/build-your-own-adorable-talking-wall-e-robot/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/03/#latest [21:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Build your own adorable, talking WALL-E robot | Arduino Blog [21:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [21:55] techrights-news #EndeavourOS Review http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153002 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EndeavourOS Review | Tux Machines [21:56] *libertybox has quit (connection closed) [21:57] *acer-box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:57] koo6 intense ● Jul 03 [22:01] *acer-box (~acer-box@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [22:10] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [22:13] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153003 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [22:13] techrights-news #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153004 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [22:17] techrights-news "In my experience however, Jitsi has much better performance than Zoom's WebRTC client. For instance, I've never been able to use Zoom successfully on a Raspberry Pi 4 (8GB), but Jitsi works quite well. If you have a say in the choice of conference platform, go with Jitsi instead." https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/zoom-webrtc-links/ [22:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-feeding.cloud.geek.nz | Zoom WebRTC links [22:18] techrights-news #WiFiWart Linux Pentesting Device Gets First PCBs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153005 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WiFiWart Linux Pentesting Device Gets First PCBs | Tux Machines [22:28] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@fdgfzhz5cqtsa.irc) has joined #techrights [22:33] *psydroid_ has quit (connection closed) [22:50] techrights-news Working on a bunch of in-depth #EPO stuff. More at Techrights.org soon... [22:54] techrights-news Kluwer Patent blogger in the mood of re-posting lies and hogwash for corrupt EPO management http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/07/03/european-patent-office-publishes-annual-review-2020/ [22:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | European Patent Office publishes Annual Review 2020 - Kluwer Patent Blog [22:55] DaemonFC schestowitz, The Residences at The St. Regis is advertising luxury apartments in Chicago. [22:55] DaemonFC I replied: Taxes, bullets flying everywhere, the dumbest mayor in the country by far, uhhh, bad roads, bad winters, have fun getting carjacked if you drive anything with parts value, uhhh, taxes. [22:55] DaemonFC Not to mention a real estate bubble. 6 Sears Towers worth (a building with its own ZIP code) of empty office space and projected to get worse by the end of the year even if the economy improves at all. [22:55] DaemonFC Many businesses failed during the pandemic and won't reopen. The city looks sad, even in places that were nice when I lived there. [22:56] techrights-news Considering the collapse of #EPO #patent quality, I doubt such an even merits a press release Aegirbio : receives an Intention to Grant from the European Patent Office [22:56] techrights-news Considering the collapse of #EPO #patent quality, I doubt such an even merits a press release https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/AEGIRBIO-AB-PUBL-109048371/news/Aegirbio-nbsp-receives-an-Intention-to-Grant-from-the-European-Patent-Office-35751666/ [22:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Aegirbio: receives an Intention to Grant from the European Patent Office | MarketScreener [22:58] techrights-news IBM: Nothing to see with the major departures in leadership. Check-out how woke we are instead! https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bED6Iyk #ibm [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | 2020 Corporate Responsibility Report - post regarding IBM layoffs [22:59] techrights-news "Hard to believe #IBM spends any time and money on this c r a p!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bED6Iyk ● Jul 03 [23:00] techrights-news #ibm exodus. "She sucks like most execs and again, it is AK consolidating his power. AK does not like anyone to tell him what to do. He will continue to get rid of people as needed." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bELGiJP#replies [23:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Jim Whitehurst and Bridget van Kralingen are out in an IBM leadership shakeup - post regarding IBM layoffs [23:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.96 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 19.61 swarm size (avg): 308.12 [23:01] techrights-news "Redhat, Jim Whitehurst's direct reports & e-mail migration team." #ibm #redhat https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bENzvmJ [23:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Next major layoffs? - post regarding IBM layoffs [23:02] techrights-news "Why are people idolizing this Jim guy? What has he done in his 2 years at IBM? NOTHING! The guy is obviously a total wu-s who had probably planned his exit 2 years ago." #ibm #redhat https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bDXrsXf#replies [23:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | 2nd quarter earrings? - post regarding IBM layoffs [23:03] DaemonFC schestowitz, The simple answer is he just sold Red Hat for several times what it was worth and left IBM the moment he was vested. [23:03] DaemonFC Allowhurst knows IBM is dead meat and he had no intention of going down with the ship. [23:04] techrights-news Whitehurst will still be involved in #ibm https://www.ft.com/content/04a6a57e-782b-40a8-b0da-fbacce5c5d5a [23:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ft.com | Subscribe to read | Financial Times [23:05] techrights-news #IBM CEOs risky move: #WallStreet frowns on #Whitehurst departure stock drops 10% | WRAL TechWire https://www.wraltechwire.com/2021/07/02/ibm-ceos-risky-move-wall-street-frowns-on-whitehurst-departure-stock-drops-10/ #wraltechwire | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/03/#latest [23:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wraltechwire.com | IBM CEO's risky move: Wall Street frowns on Whitehurst departure stock drops 10% | WRAL TechWire [23:05] techrights-news Jim Whitehursts Sudden Exit As #IBM President Raises Red #HatRed Flags: Partners https://www.crn.com/news/cloud/jim-whitehurst-s-sudden-exit-as-ibm-president-raises-red-hat-red-flags-partners #crn | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/03/#latest [23:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crn.com | Jim Whitehursts Sudden Exit As IBM President Raises Red Hat Red Flags: Partners [23:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [23:06] techrights-news Jim #Whitehurst and Bridget van Kralingen are out in an #IBM leadership shakeup - Protocol The people, power and politics of tech https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/jim-whitehurst-out-ibm #protocol | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/03/#latest [23:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jim Whitehurst and Bridget van Kralingen are out in an IBM leadership shakeup - Protocol The people, power and politics of tech [23:08] techrights-news Based on the latest press reports (long holiday weekend), Whitehurst definitely decided to leave #IBM but we don't know why exactly (or what happened) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152960#comment-30139 see http://techrights.org/2021/07/03/why-whitehurst-left/ [23:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Jim Whitehurst Leaves IBM | Tux Machines [23:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Investigation Needed Into the Full Story of Jim Whitehursts Departure From IBM | Techrights [23:10] DaemonFC schestowitz, I would like to mention the following to RMS. [23:10] techrights-news "The #IBM execs are stealing money from the company where do you think it is going? Revenues, profits, cash flow are down quarter after quarter sure IBM is still making money, how is that going to last when the Execs are in this only for their own pockets?" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bEr3tOz [23:10] DaemonFC Instead of treating workers like humans, the fast food industry just left the lobbies closed so you can't go in and you have to have a car to go eat there for some reason. [23:10] DaemonFC This makes it more of a hassle for me because I don't feel like waiting in a line looping around the building with my engine running for 30 minutes waiting to get "fast" food, which has also nearly doubled in price. [23:10] DaemonFC Gas is almost $4 per gallon now, and idling wastes about a gallon per hour, per car. [23:10] DaemonFC So they're giving a big fuck you to the environment over at those places as well. [23:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Same old song and dance - post regarding IBM layoffs [23:10] DaemonFC While they're talking about gas stations that are running dry, America wastes millions of gallons per day waiting in line for a hamburger. [23:10] schestowitz [23:03] Allowhurst knows IBM is dead meat and he had no intention of going down with the ship. [23:10] schestowitz yes [23:11] DaemonFC Most reasons to consume gasoline in your car are total horseshit anyway in this country. [23:11] DaemonFC Other than to work and back or a picnic, what else is there? [23:11] schestowitz not much [23:11] DaemonFC You can download movies and books. You can order things online. [23:11] schestowitz even less now [23:11] schestowitz because of coronavirus [23:12] schestowitz 25k new cases in uk today [23:12] techrights-news "But IBM has been on a downward slope for last 10 years. They completely missed the cloud business, and the train has left. They also did not invest properly in the Mainframe platform and kept or increased the cost for our clients. They are now leaving as fast as they can." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bEr3tOz [23:13] DaemonFC schestowitz, I wish I was more confident of how court would go. The police didn't see anything and didn't arrive for 30 minutes, and when they did, they wrote me a ticket based on what a 300 pound convict and his brother told them. [23:13] DaemonFC Now I have to pay to fix this stupid car. [23:14] techrights-news #ibm : we think we can upscale #redhat tenfold (~10 times more staff) by just killing #centos and attacking the #fsf ... guess what happened next :-) [23:14] schestowitz DaemonFC: enjoy your car [23:14] schestowitz I told you they're a liability and risk [23:14] schestowitz taxi is cheaper [23:14] schestowitz and no court [23:15] schestowitz except for the taxi driver [23:15] schestowitz they can usually get away with it anyway [23:15] schestowitz and likely insured by their employer [23:16] DaemonFC Yeah.... [23:16] DaemonFC fucking cops [23:17] techrights-news #Microsoft employee tells me, "Get the popcorn ready! #Kaseya is one of the largest #Windows remote management solutions in existence. Its relied on heavily by managed services providers/consultants in the small-mid size remote management space. This is HUGE." Waited till July 4th?! https://csirt.divd.nl/2021/07/03/Kaseya-Case-Update/ [23:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-csirt.divd.nl | Kaseya Case Update | DIVD CSIRT [23:19] techrights-news Spy agencies and crackers all over the world licking their lips. #microsoft #windows inside org => assume that org (data, everything else) compromised. https://csirt.divd.nl/2021/07/03/Kaseya-Case-Update/ [23:20] techrights-news #microsoft used major holidays and weekends to also bury the #solarwinds scandal and then Exchange: http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ [23:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights [23:21] techrights-news #microsoft discovered that smoking kills, decided to do vapour(ware) instead. #vista10 #googlebombing #distraction [23:24] techrights-news #Voting Rights Should Include the Right to Vote for Who You Want https://howiehawkins.us/voting-rights-should-include-the-right-to-vote-for-who-you-want/ [23:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-howiehawkins.us | Voting Rights Should Include the Right to Vote for Who You Want | Howie Hawkins for our Future [23:28] techrights-news "Arrogant!!! Christ, this company cant get anything right!!!" #IBM #frustration #collapse https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bEhoBch#replies [23:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM chief Arvind Krishna cements his position as heir apparent quits - post regarding IBM layoffs [23:28] techrights-news "Rob Thomas as top sales executive? What a poor choice He is literally the worst of all top exec's in front of clients. The slow death just sped up a bit." #ibm https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bEhoBch#replies [23:29] DaemonFC schestowitz, Of course the modern Highwayman is the police officer. [23:30] DaemonFC For the most part, speeding isn't all that dangerous. [23:30] *jhswartz (~user@user/jhswartz) has joined #techrights [23:30] DaemonFC There were some people in there going 80 in a 40 or something, or over 100 even. [23:30] techrights-news After #ibm sinks #microsoft shall follow. IBM is partly to blame for Microsoft and its cult coming into relevance (such people must never have positions of powers!). They should never have taken the advice from the mother of the #famousCriminal (who had ALREADY been arrested several times) http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/real-history-of-microsoft/ [23:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Real History of Microsoft and How It Became Successful | Techrights [23:30] DaemonFC That should just be a crime, but the state just took its money and didn't even point their driver's licenses. [23:31] techrights-news #BusinessInsider is trolling and click-baiting https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-linux-internet-pet-feeders-top-weekend-tech-tales-2021-7 they trolled "Linux" a week ago: http://techrights.org/2021/06/28/torvalds-disinfo-el-reg/ [23:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Bill Gates, Linux and Internet Pet Feeders; Top July 4th Weekend Tech Tales [23:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Media is Trolling Linus Torvalds Again But Torvalds Responds | Techrights [23:31] DaemonFC If you hit anything at 100, they're dead, you're dead. [23:32] techrights-news "Recently, I've made videos on command line utilities like 'awk' and 'sed'. In this video, I cover two powerful command line utilities--'cut' and 'tr'. The 'cut' command removes sections from each line of a file." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0IFtMFYroU [23:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two Powerful Command Line Utilities 'cut' And 'tr' - YouTube [23:33] *jhswartz (~user@user/jhswartz) has left #techrights [23:33] techrights-news "Startx is a great application but someone decided it was'nt minimal enough and made another application to start up your X server called sx, this is basically as minimal as you can actually get when starting up your display server" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xfIGgjmAYY [23:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sx: Start Your X Server With Extreme Minimalism - YouTube [23:35] Librarian No, the phrase that I put in quotes, of course. That's why I put it in quotes. So you could easily tell what to search for on the web. [23:36] Librarian And, of course, I'm not trying to forcibly impose myself on your free choice. That's just a made-up fiction, or what we used to call a "fucking lie." [23:36] Librarian Because socialists are always fucking liars. [23:37] Librarian Leaving people alone is not a forcible imposition on others' choices. But let's get back to figuring out whether you possess the ability to tell where the conflation of "freedom" and "slavery" comes from: [23:37] Librarian immibis, do you happen to know where the phrase originated, in which evil socialist totalitarians attempted to brainwash people, through a concerted propaganda campaign and formalized attempts to rewrite dictionaries, to believe that "freedom is slavery?" Do you know the dystopian fiction literature in which that phrase, exactly as written, was popularized? [23:37] techrights-news Oh dear. Taking the Wembley arrogance a step further. From half capacity to 2 thirds in one week: "England are in the semi-finals of Euro 2020. Wembley awaits on Wednesday, with 60,000 fans in the "Lions Den" cheering them on." See http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/30/wembley-losing-control-of-covid/ [23:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Britain Lost in Wembley [23:44] *koo6 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [23:56] activelow mass surveillance of *public* car traffic at least could serve a *public* interest [23:57] activelow it is noteworthy supporters of unconstitutional mass surveillance seek to implement it in personal computers, and often oppose surveillance of cars and traffic [23:59] *libertybox_ (~schestowitz_log@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [23:59] *acer-box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:59] *acer-box (~acer-box@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [23:59] *Techrights-sec2 (~quassel@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [23:59] activelow this is an important difference, if either public space is monitored, or privacy infringed