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| schestowitz | 2700 views now, soon 3k | Aug 03 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I would have probably tried to expand on the Nokia X, but they put that right into the trash. | Aug 03 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | yup, linkedin | Aug 03 00:00 |
| schestowitz | how much paid for it? | Aug 03 00:00 |
| schestowitz | like 30 billion? | Aug 03 00:00 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Aug 03 00:00 |
| schestowitz | what next? Twitter for 100 million? | Aug 03 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like I keep saying. | Aug 03 00:01 |
| schestowitz | WHile it loses money for 10 years | Aug 03 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Late 90s AOL is what all these deals are looking like. | Aug 03 00:01 |
| psydread | because they don't know how to compete other than through vendor lock-in and strongarming their customers and partners? | Aug 03 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Twitter in Microsoft's hands = NO Trumpf censorship | Aug 03 00:01 |
| schestowitz | He's approve the takeover with an EO! | Aug 03 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the brilliance of the Nokia X platform is that there would have been easy porting of existing Android apps. | Aug 03 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Underneath, it was Android, but Microsoft could have tied it into their own APIs and apps. | Aug 03 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most APKs apparently ran as-is, although some had breakage. | Aug 03 00:02 |
| schestowitz | how much did MSFT spent on buyouts under Nadella? | Aug 03 00:02 |
| schestowitz | 50 billion? | Aug 03 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would have been an easy pitch to developers who wanted to reuse their existing code. | Aug 03 00:02 |
| psydread | I think their fatal flaw is trying to tie everything into Windows, which may have worked to the company's advantage at some point but is a huge liability at this point in time | Aug 03 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've definitely overextended themselves. | Aug 03 00:03 |
| schestowitz | they bought github just for network effect | Aug 03 00:03 |
| schestowitz | and I hope that effect erodes quickly enough | Aug 03 00:03 |
| schestowitz | github is losing money | Aug 03 00:03 |
| schestowitz | so we know they didn't buy it for direct cash | Aug 03 00:04 |
| MinceR | 03 005950 < DaemonFC[m]> All of that wasted money in the Nokia deal to try to push Windows phones into a market that was already saturated. That was just completely stupid. Zune 2.0. | Aug 03 00:05 |
| MinceR | they managed to kill MeeGo though | Aug 03 00:05 |
| schestowitz | https://www.osnews.com/story/132151/how-google-is-bringing-windows-apps-to-chromebooks/ | Aug 03 00:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Google is bringing Windows apps to Chromebooks – OSnews | Aug 03 00:05 | |
| schestowitz | lol | Aug 03 00:05 |
| schestowitz | they still try? | Aug 03 00:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they're good at killing things | Aug 03 00:05 |
| schestowitz | less at creating anything | Aug 03 00:05 |
| MinceR | yeah | Aug 03 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nokia management pushed out the Nokia X right before the buyout to try to get Microsoft to go "Okay, we already have this.". Didn't work. | Aug 03 00:05 |
| schestowitz | to replace those dead things | Aug 03 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Trump is also killing lots of stuff | Aug 03 00:06 |
| schestowitz | inc. the credibility of ANYTHING he has touched, inc. the women's genitals | Aug 03 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I posted that yesterday. Ridiculous that anyone would put Parallels on a Chromebook to run Windows. | Aug 03 00:06 |
| schestowitz | rep layoff /var/log/httpd/techrights.org-access_log | wc | Aug 03 00:06 |
| schestowitz | 2879 | Aug 03 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's going to be awful, for starters. Those are laptops that wouldn't run Windows well if it was the OS on the bare metal, for starters. | Aug 03 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How do you even install Windows 10 in Parallels on a Chromebook? It needs more storage that 90% of the Chromebooks out there have. | Aug 03 00:07 |
| MinceR | nothing runs Backdoors well | Aug 03 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You have to buy a very expensive computer for Windows to run at an acceptable pace on it. | Aug 03 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Chromebooks are cheap because Chrome OS is a stripped down Linux for bargain basement hardware. | Aug 03 00:09 |
| *schestowitz uploaded irc logs | Aug 03 00:09 | |
| MinceR | ah yes, having the mouse pointer go under the taskbar and having all left-clicks ignored at "an acceptable pace" | Aug 03 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | About the only thing Chromebooks aren't going to do very well is gaming, but meh. | Aug 03 00:09 |
| schestowitz | that is improving | Aug 03 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People don't buy them for that and gaming consoles are where gaming went anyway. | Aug 03 00:10 |
| schestowitz | because of steam, new drivers, and stadia | Aug 03 00:10 |
| schestowitz | they use the valve work on steamos (debian) | Aug 03 00:10 |
| MinceR | i wonder how using bargain basement hardware for browsing the "modern" web of all things is supposed to work | Aug 03 00:10 |
| MinceR | it's easily the most RAM-hungry task i have here | Aug 03 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I suppose sooner or later we'll get Chromebooks with higher end processors and Nvidia dual graphics or something. | Aug 03 00:11 |
| schestowitz | "pixel" | Aug 03 00:11 |
| schestowitz | pixelbook? | Aug 03 00:11 |
| schestowitz | RetinaBuk | Aug 03 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Flies right in your face | Aug 03 00:11 |
| schestowitz | down to earth | Aug 03 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I haven't looked into the high end ones because Mandy just wanted something to browse the web with. | Aug 03 00:11 |
| schestowitz | web browses you! | Aug 03 00:12 |
| schestowitz | ChromeBUK! | Aug 03 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <MinceR "it's easily the most RAM-hungry "> Yeah, most of the Chromebooks have 4 GB of RAM now and I would not recommend buying one with less even if someone still makes one. | Aug 03 00:12 |
| psydread | I also believe making Windows more bloated and slower is a way to keep hardware companies satisfied so they can keep shipping new hardware with it.They must know the old hardware ends up running something else or being trashed. | Aug 03 00:12 |
| schestowitz | it can't be trashed | Aug 03 00:13 |
| schestowitz | it was already trashed | Aug 03 00:13 |
| schestowitz | it had windows on it | Aug 03 00:13 |
| psydread | I meant thrown out because it's too slow to run the latest and greatest bloatware | Aug 03 00:14 |
| schestowitz | yes, I know | Aug 03 00:15 |
| schestowitz | but the initial trashing is done by OEMs | Aug 03 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lenovo has done some of the worst things regarding the firmware. | Aug 03 00:16 |
| psydread | I'm interested to see how this plays out if MS actually ends up imploding and possibly disappearing | Aug 03 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The one that kept reinstalling all the crapware. | Aug 03 00:16 |
| psydread | how many of those hardware companies will survive | Aug 03 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then the one in my computer that hid the main storage drive from other operating systems. | Aug 03 00:16 |
| psydread | because it enabled Intel RST? | Aug 03 00:17 |
| MinceR | no, it accessed the SSD via some non-standard bullshit protocol | Aug 03 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, with no benefit at all for the user. | Aug 03 00:17 |
| MinceR | so that it could hide the SSD from the ultra-shitty driver that comes with Backdoors | Aug 03 00:18 |
| MinceR | and use their own shitty driver instead | Aug 03 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It prevented people from using a regular Windows installer. | Aug 03 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I tried booting from one and it didn't show any storage devices. | Aug 03 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You had to extract the one from Lenovo's driver' section and drop it onto the Windows installer and then tell it you had a driver for it. | Aug 03 00:19 |
| psydread | my uncle ended up returning a Lenovo laptop because of that and then he got another model that he could install Linux on, but this is getting ridiculous and I told him he would have to be more careful when buying new computers going forward | Aug 03 00:21 |
| MinceR | oh, and they called that bullshit protocol "RAID" | Aug 03 00:22 |
| MinceR | because you can totally have a "redundant" "array" that consists of a single device | Aug 03 00:23 |
| MinceR | it makes so much sense | Aug 03 00:23 |
| psydread | if they need to do all of that to block other operating systems from working, you know something shady is going on with complete disregard for the user's wishes | Aug 03 00:26 |
| psydread | imagine seeing your own customer as the enemy | Aug 03 00:26 |
| MinceR | that's business as usual in many places | Aug 03 00:26 |
| MinceR | e.g. all the DRM peddlers (including microshit) | Aug 03 00:26 |
| MinceR | also everyone who ships "computers" with locked bootloaders | Aug 03 00:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: language check? http://techrights.org/2020/08/02/rebranded-layoffs/ | Aug 03 00:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Is It Not a Layoffs Round When You Rebrand It? | Techrights | Aug 03 00:31 | |
| schestowitz | quotes what you said | Aug 03 00:31 |
| psydread | if it wasn't for the fact that people I need to be in contact with from time to time are generally addicted to spyware-laden applications, I would probably toss those "computers" (handed down to me) in the bin | Aug 03 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looks good. | Aug 03 00:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "layoff season" | Aug 03 00:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, I can't believe that any company makes people practically interview for their own job every year. | Aug 03 00:34 |
| MinceR | that's some manager bullshit | Aug 03 00:34 |
| MinceR | s/manager/suit/ | Aug 03 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you're slacking off or just not doing good work, the boss should be expected to come find you and do something about it, but anual performance reviews just create angst and bad feelings for no reason. | Aug 03 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The job of a manager is to decide, direct, and delegate. Dragging people into the office and rating them on a 5 point scale every year is comical. | Aug 03 00:36 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They make you do this at Walmart, and then most people end up getting a 3. | Aug 03 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's your call, but not really. | Aug 03 00:36 |
| MinceR | that sort of pageantry is a lot easier than deciding, directing or delegating, though | Aug 03 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it's a 1, they're fired. If it's a 2, they get put on probationary status and don't get a raise and you have to evaluate them again after 90 days. | Aug 03 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it's a 3, they get a small raise and keep their job. | Aug 03 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you give them a 4 or a 5, it increases payroll and so if you do it more than once or twice your boss will come find you and scream. | Aug 03 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it boils down to either you pass and keep your job with a 30 cent raise or you get fired. | Aug 03 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you sit there all day on performance day calling people into the office saying congratulations you're a 3, now get back to work | Aug 03 00:39 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 03 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's stupid. Really really stupid. | Aug 03 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'll tell you how bad Walmart really is to the lower rung employees. We had a meeting one night where the Store Manager stayed over so she could come in and say "Don't use your discount card. And if you do, don't use it at other stores because they get the sale and we get charged for the discount. We know where you're using it.". | Aug 03 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they give you a 10% discount card and then yell at you for saving 50 cents on a pack of socks at some other Walmart. | Aug 03 00:40 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 03 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's the key point here. You're not worth a goddamned pair of socks. | Aug 03 00:41 |
| schestowitz | :/ | Aug 03 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: So after that happened, I was shopping with my mom and she was getting 4 new tires and an oil change and bunch of stuff. | Aug 03 00:42 |
| schestowitz | well, my boss is thankfully quite different | Aug 03 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Hand me the money.". | Aug 03 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She goes "Why?". | Aug 03 00:42 |
| schestowitz | also recently sacked some "ambitious" middle managers who liked to bully staff | Aug 03 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Well, If I'm buying all of this I can use my discount on it.". | Aug 03 00:43 |
| schestowitz | I reprimanded and told her off | Aug 03 00:43 |
| schestowitz | I also demanded an apology from her | Aug 03 00:43 |
| schestowitz | and that was it from her, she was 'disappeared' under the guise of "illness" | Aug 03 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So not only did I use it at another store, it was like $90 worth of discounts charged to that store manager that griped about us using our discounts. | Aug 03 00:43 |
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| MinceR | :> | Aug 03 00:43 |
| MinceR | so what did that manager do about it? | Aug 03 00:43 |
| schestowitz | vanished | Aug 03 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nothing | Aug 03 00:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 03 00:44 |
| schestowitz | another person stepped in to reply | Aug 03 00:44 |
| schestowitz | she'd never apologise | Aug 03 00:44 |
| schestowitz | too 'ambitious" | Aug 03 00:44 |
| schestowitz | it's in her bio | Aug 03 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: It really pissed me off. That's what happens when you make everyone who works for you hate you and not care if you fire them because they'll get unemployment for a while and find another job. | Aug 03 00:45 |
| schestowitz | another colleagues was preparing to file official grievance complaint | Aug 03 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They start looking for ways to give you the middle finger. | Aug 03 00:45 |
| psydread | her ambition was to get the people working for her to leave | Aug 03 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sabotage things. | Aug 03 00:45 |
| schestowitz | but that never became necessary, now we have better management, technical also.. | Aug 03 00:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: well, they can sabotage whole companies | Aug 03 00:45 |
| schestowitz | by driving away good workers | Aug 03 00:45 |
| schestowitz | our CEO saw that, but too late | Aug 03 00:46 |
| schestowitz | like 1-2 years too late | Aug 03 00:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Walmart doesn't care if you quit. They have people quit all the time. 40% every year. | Aug 03 00:46 |
| schestowitz | we had already lost a handful of very good workers | Aug 03 00:46 |
| schestowitz | walmart is different | Aug 03 00:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you do last long enough to make significantly more than other people doing that job, you're on borrowed time. | Aug 03 00:46 |
| schestowitz | retraining there is easy and cheap | Aug 03 00:46 |
| schestowitz | no need for 10-year experience in a technical field | Aug 03 00:47 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: They think it's cheap. | Aug 03 00:47 |
| schestowitz | this stupid manager (who pretends to be from "KSA", she's not!) apparently had background in a store | Aug 03 00:47 |
| schestowitz | and bullying techs don't work | Aug 03 00:47 |
| schestowitz | we're not stocking shelves | Aug 03 00:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What they actually get by getting rid of anyone who does have a work ethic is a system where they have to hire 10 people and give them 90 days to ultimately keep 2. | Aug 03 00:47 |
| schestowitz | and once she loses something, a replacement won't come | Aug 03 00:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Going through temps with the expectation of firing most of them for hiding in the bathroom on their phone is a cost of firing people. | Aug 03 00:48 |
| schestowitz | anyway, we're glad she's gone | Aug 03 00:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you fire one good worker, you'll have to hire 5 temps for 90 days to find 1/5 that's worth keeping. | Aug 03 00:48 |
| schestowitz | we also got an important contract back last week | Aug 03 00:48 |
| schestowitz | london's town hall | Aug 03 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's not cheap. | Aug 03 00:49 |
| schestowitz | over a decade ago I heard warnings about bad management | Aug 03 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now consider what happens if you have it happen thousands of times a year. | Aug 03 00:49 |
| schestowitz | that seeks to just justify more management | Aug 03 00:49 |
| schestowitz | for no pragmatic reasons | Aug 03 00:49 |
| schestowitz | management in support of ... more managent | Aug 03 00:49 |
| schestowitz | until nobody is left... except management | Aug 03 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just constant burn and churn. | Aug 03 00:49 |
| schestowitz | and institutions/companies go under | Aug 03 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It costs them a lot of money to fire an "unskilled" worker, so I can only imagine what the costs are to run off a person with a lot of talent. | Aug 03 00:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Illinois, the potential downside for hiring those damned temps you won't keep is that after you get rid of them, they can claim they hurt their back while they were working there. | Aug 03 00:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Get a lawyer and sue, sue, sue. | Aug 03 00:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I mean, you're inviting perhaps tens of thousands of dollars in liability each time you fire someone. | Aug 03 00:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can live off you for years when there's nothing even wrong with them and they said they hurt their back as part of a scam. | Aug 03 00:52 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Those schemes are dangerous for the people who pursue them, because it's not usually "just that easy". | Aug 03 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Companies who are sick and tired of being abused like that hire private investigators (another cost) to go find the ones that scam them. | Aug 03 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It can definitely mean criminal charges. | Aug 03 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So unless you never feel like going out and doing stuff again, I wouldn't try it. | Aug 03 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: There was an ACTUAL commercial....not being racist here, but.....not trying to. One of the first things I saw on TV in Chicago. | Aug 03 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had some black lady on it going "I got hurt on the job and mah employer didn't wanna pay out, but then I sued! Now I'm living the good life!". | Aug 03 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All these shopping bags appear in her hands and she's got sunglasses on. | Aug 03 00:55 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So the lawyers are doing "welfare queen" commercials taking advantage of a very broken workers comp system. | Aug 03 00:55 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Nobody wants to get ahead honestly. They're always doing some Slippin' Jimmy scheme on other people. | Aug 03 00:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that's what Elon Musk was talking about on Twitter the other day. | Aug 03 00:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just how lazy and entitled a lot of Americans are. He's not wrong. | Aug 03 00:57 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I think the real purpose of those tweets was to flatter China, which is is growth market. | Aug 03 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He grew Tesla with lots of US taxpayer money and now he's seeing that the US economy is so badly broken that many people won't recover and there's nobody to sell his expensive electric cars to here. | Aug 03 01:05 |
| schestowitz | yup | Aug 03 01:06 |
| schestowitz | maybe he can call people "pedo guy" | Aug 03 01:06 |
| schestowitz | BTW, did he ever do manual labour? | Aug 03 01:06 |
| schestowitz | or just tweeting and talking trash about hard-working people? | Aug 03 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably not. Most Libertarians haven't. | Aug 03 01:06 |
| schestowitz | he comes from apartheid, on the OPPRESSOR'S side | Aug 03 01:06 |
| schestowitz | so maybe he's conditioned to view most of the population of serfs | Aug 03 01:07 |
| schestowitz | maybe he even calls them "negros" in person, behind closed doors | Aug 03 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Intentionally inflaming racial tension is what's going on right now because Trump sees benefit in it. He hasn't done a damned thing that makes him worthy of a second term, but he can go after racism, but the downside is that the states where there's a lot of racism he was doing well anyway. | Aug 03 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the states where he needed more votes, there's either a lot of black people who are really angry with him now and may not have voted otherwise, or it's just not the biggest issue at play. | Aug 03 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So maybe he wins Indiana by 15 points instead of 10, but he doesn't gain electoral votes from that. | Aug 03 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's probably not going to help him in places like Georgia very much. It's a rural state for the most part but Atlanta isn't. | Aug 03 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's so despised in Atlanta that this is what's causing the polls in Georgia to be too close to call. | Aug 03 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unfortunately, it's a red state so there's plenty of ways they can stop people from voting, like pulling a Wisconsin and putting 3 polling sites in all of Atlanta during a pandemic. | Aug 03 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's going to be a lot of Republicans cheating people out of their vote to overcome. | Aug 03 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unfortunately, that's not exactly a new issue. | Aug 03 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think John Kerry still has a chance because black people are still waiting in line to vote in the 2004 election in Ohio. | Aug 03 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: We have apartheid in the United States, now. | Aug 03 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, Ronald Reagan and the majority of the American conservatives didn't even want to sanction the apartheid government in South Africa. | Aug 03 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He vetoed the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act and Congress overrode his veto. | Aug 03 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then my mom and dad sent me to school where one of the books said that without whites in South Africa, the black people were far too stupid to ever have a modern country on their own, so it really wasn't so bad. | Aug 03 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Christian Fundamentalists in the United States are apartheid supporters and they'll never admit that it was wrong for the same reason that most of them are a bunch of idiots who wave the Confederate Flag around. | Aug 03 01:20 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Many of the poorest areas in the United States are almost entirely full of white people. There's much of Indiana that doesn't really have a pot to piss in anymore due to decades of Republican trade agreements and fiscal policies. | Aug 03 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The idea that welfare cuts don't hurt Trump voters badly is comical. | Aug 03 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The idea that white people are automatically intelligent and industrious for being white is comical. | Aug 03 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The idea that a real crackdown on violent and drug crimes wouldn't trawl in thousands of white people who, if they do vote, it was for Trump, is.....comical. | Aug 03 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Being around stupid people bothers me because stupid people are often violent and loud and obnoxious. | Aug 03 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Plus, when they aggregate somewhere and do all of that, they attract the other criminal cartel. The police. | Aug 03 01:25 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | When the police get out there they start yelling and threatening to kill people themselves, and nobody will do anything about them because they're the state. | Aug 03 01:27 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody around me gets it when I say shut up and don't draw attention to us. You don't want attention from these people. I promise. | Aug 03 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cops, criminals....doesn't matter. People tend to focus on what's drawing the most attention. If you're not it, then maybe they'll go shoot someone else. | Aug 03 01:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sucks to be them, but hey. That's how it is. | Aug 03 01:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I think my advice for criminals is don't yell and scream and wear ridiculous clothing and blast stereos and so on and so forth and the police will be much less interested. | Aug 03 01:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Carlin had advice for serial killers as one of his routines. | Aug 03 01:32 |
| kingoffrance | <jumping in after reading past x hours of scrollback> IIRC red hat was going around saying it is a "meritocracy" ...i dont schadenfraude, but ibm gutting them seems somehow apropos | Aug 03 01:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You want to be a "corner of their eye" type of a person. | Aug 03 01:33 |
| kingoffrance | i mean that in a "they had a blind spot, guess who was in it?" sort of way | Aug 03 01:34 |
| MinceR | if hedrat was a meritocracy, how did poettering keep a job there? | Aug 03 01:34 |
| kingoffrance | ^^ lol | Aug 03 01:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't recall him coming along until Pulseaudio. | Aug 03 01:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was after many years of sound-related Linux disasters that never actually addressed some of the most basic problems people were having. | Aug 03 01:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think it was a shame what happened with the Open Sound System. | Aug 03 01:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The BSDs pretty much kept the v3 API from what I can tell and added features. | Aug 03 01:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Linux introduced this breaking change that didn't even have a proper mixer in it. | Aug 03 01:36 |
| MinceR | well, OpenBSD added sndiod | Aug 03 01:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then Poettering came along and copypasta'd the model of the Mac and Windows Vista. | Aug 03 01:36 |
| MinceR | it didn't work too well for me, but maybe that's just because it didn't support my usb audio device | Aug 03 01:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hey, they do it like this. Why not us? | Aug 03 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It took years and years for Pulseaudio to settle down and all the while I'm like "Uhhh, with all of the things Windows sucks at, I don't remember applications getting into a food fight over the sound card and crashing.". | Aug 03 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 7 was the last version of Windows that wasn't an absolute pain to use, proprietary software issues or not. | Aug 03 01:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The GUI, WinRT, and "cloud" disasters that have been getting piled in since Windows 8 have been making it a total, total mess. | Aug 03 01:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm left going WTF about EdgeHTML more than anything else. | Aug 03 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It lasted 5 years and it's still going to have to be there for 20 more because it's part of the platform now. | Aug 03 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is just not the kind of stuff a company with a future does. | Aug 03 01:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They plan for how they develop the software because they will have to maintain it. | Aug 03 01:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it could be totally selfish reasons, but generally proprietary software companies who see their platform as an investment at least try to minimize the burden on themselves, long term. | Aug 03 01:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apple has at least kept Mac OS from piling up a lot of legacy garbage. | Aug 03 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're lucky if anything keeps working though. | Aug 03 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'll tear out something that's very small even if it means years worth of programs won't work anymore. | Aug 03 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Consumer-grade software is just unusable. It really is. | Aug 03 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I actually got into a discussion with a woman I knew who bought those Nokia X phones for everyone in her house. | Aug 03 01:45 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 03 01:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She said she liked them. I said, "Yeah, they might be usable, but it's kind of a speculative investment considering that Microsoft is taking them over and they'll probably have pallets and pallets of these things at fire sale prices and then drop support.". | Aug 03 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They ended up doing that. Then a few years later, again with Windows Phone itself. | Aug 03 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think I only ran into one person using a Windows phone. That was a clerk at Auto Zone. I said, "I hear there aren't many applications for it.". He goes, "Yeah, but I like it better than Android.". | Aug 03 01:47 |
| kingoffrance | <also jumping in after reading scrollback> yes modern windows you have to create an online account, then after install you can go back and make a "local" user | Aug 03 01:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I probably won't get rid of this Galaxy S8+ until the hardware craps out because we're still very early into 5G and I don't want to purchase an Android phone that says it supports it and then have T-Mobile remote brick it on me and say "Sorry, try again!" after I just unloaded hundreds of dollars. | Aug 03 01:49 |
| kingoffrance | you cant just create a local user account even at first! | Aug 03 01:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can without internet access while you're doing setup. | Aug 03 01:49 |
| kingoffrance | its like they purposely set obstacles to you having it be "your computer" | Aug 03 01:49 |
| kingoffrance | maybe oem stuff is worse :/ | Aug 03 01:50 |
| kingoffrance | i saw that a week or 2 ago :/ | Aug 03 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, you go and look at pirate websites. | Aug 03 01:50 |
| MinceR | y4rr! | Aug 03 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What's the most popular Windows download? Windows 7 with all the updates slipstreamed into the ISO. | Aug 03 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's certainly nothing recent. | Aug 03 01:50 |
| kingoffrance | even xp at least gave you 30 days or whatever to "activate" | Aug 03 01:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even though it's no longer getting updates, people would rather use Windows 7. | Aug 03 01:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's turned into another "XP" situation where people will only gradually let go of it, and that's exactly why Microsoft tried automatically installing Windows 10 without asking. | Aug 03 01:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's there now. What are you going to do? | Aug 03 01:52 |
| MinceR | and yet xp sucked less than vista7 :> | Aug 03 01:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft completely redid the servicing stack in Windows 7, even though that was a major undertaking. They backported the "cumulative updates" system from Windows 10, and then they said take it or no updates at all. | Aug 03 01:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The usual source has been slipping Windows 7 users EOL security updates that Microsoft pushed out to people with extended support contracts. | Aug 03 01:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So even though it's not technically still supported, you could manually install all of those for a few more years. | Aug 03 01:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not that Microsoft couldn't give them to you. It's that if they did, they couldn't charge obscene prices for extra support to enterprise customers. | Aug 03 01:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2019/11/vlcsnap-2019-11-19-09h53m54s018.png | Aug 03 03:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rick in Rick & Morty is using Debian on his supercomputer on the planet he built to have a toilet on. | Aug 03 03:36 |
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| superkuh | http://fun.drno.de/flash/SwitchLinux.swf | Aug 03 03:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-plainfield-high-school-arrest-shooting-20190910-wfmevc4sgveuniu2truei7fuui-story.html | Aug 03 04:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chicagotribune.com | Juvenile charged with felony after ‘joke’ about shooting up Plainfield Central High School. Police say it was the 6th threat against a Plainfield school in recent weeks. - Chicago Tribune | Aug 03 04:06 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "the third Plainfield student to be charged with a felony just weeks into the school year," | Aug 03 04:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: At least the virus does protect kids in one way. | Aug 03 04:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the schools can't open, the cops who have nothing to do but charge them with a felony for no particular reason won't be there to do anything. | Aug 03 04:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/howard-sterns-outrageous-offenses/story?id=16327309 | Aug 03 04:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abcnews.go.com | Howard Stern's Five Most Outrageous Offenses - ABC News | Aug 03 04:17 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Howard Stern is my hero. Clear Channel got a $500,000 fine because he was graphically describing anal sex on the radio. | Aug 03 04:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had serious financial problems because of that and paying way too much for a deal with Rush Limbaugh right before he became so repulsive that his advertisers bailed on him. | Aug 03 04:18 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/microsoft-confirms-talks-to-buy-tiktok-in-us.html | Aug 03 06:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Microsoft confirms talks to buy TikTok in U.S. | Aug 03 06:13 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "This new structure would build on the experience TikTok users currently | Aug 03 06:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | love, while adding world-class security, privacy, and digital safety | Aug 03 06:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | protections," Microsoft said. | Aug 03 06:14 |
| superkuh | Just like they did with Skype, right? Right?! | Aug 03 06:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, from the makers of the OS that gets millions of new viruses every month comes TikTok. Now with MOAR prism. | Aug 03 06:14 |
| schestowitz | Trump blackmails them for Microsoft | Aug 03 06:14 |
| schestowitz | confiscation | Aug 03 06:14 |
| schestowitz | and later Microsoft will pretend to be tolerant | Aug 03 06:15 |
| schestowitz | while boosting trump, and it has been mutual | Aug 03 06:15 |
| schestowitz | [06:14] <DaemonFC[m]> love, while adding world-class security, privacy, and digital safety | Aug 03 06:15 |
| schestowitz | Privacy? | Aug 03 06:15 |
| schestowitz | Security? | Aug 03 06:15 |
| schestowitz | They know they lie, but hey | Aug 03 06:16 |
| schestowitz | Lying is a Microsoft thing | Aug 03 06:16 |
| schestowitz | you don't get a job there unless you lie a lot | Aug 03 06:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I like how no Windows development team can see the entirety of the Windows source code. | Aug 03 06:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Must be great the develop an OS where you can't even see how all of it works. | Aug 03 06:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *to | Aug 03 06:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "you don't get a job there unless"> They're also hostile to each other. | Aug 03 06:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you fix a bug on another project, your boss comes and yells at you for wasting time you could be spending on yours. | Aug 03 06:18 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Kernel 5.8 Released, This is What’s New http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140566#comment-26016 [https://pleroma.site/objects/46f6a4ab-074e-44ce-a84f-2641511462a0] | Aug 03 06:18 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I heard someone say that he couldn't develop his program because a bug in some other part of Windows was stopping it from working correctly, so he fixed it and then got yelled at. | Aug 03 06:19 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140572 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8915cd92-60c4-468c-8038-cc079ee9b285] | Aug 03 06:20 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, Microsoft treats its own Windows programmers as the enemy because it doesn't want to risk the entire Windows source code leaking. It's mostly worked. I've never seen a complete leak. | Aug 03 06:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yeah, the "company culture" is infamous for being like the Terran Empire from Star Trek. | Aug 03 06:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The job of the first officer is to murder the captain and take over. | Aug 03 06:21 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Kernel 5.8 “The Biggest Release of All Time” is Finally Available Now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140573 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c2367dd3-dd8d-4046-b379-8160129311ce] | Aug 03 06:23 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review: Haiku R1 beta 2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140574 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fce88f7d-3841-4717-979d-448b71299877] | Aug 03 06:25 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140575 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1254b57f-1209-4fd5-8fb5-4fe896f573a0] | Aug 03 06:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/manchester-restaurants-offering-eat-out-18677183 | Aug 03 06:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/manchester-restaurants-offering-eat-out-18677183 ) | Aug 03 06:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/eat-out-help-out-vouchers-18562861 | Aug 03 06:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/eat-out-help-out-vouchers-18562861 ) | Aug 03 06:44 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | The Mayor of Greater Manchester, Andy Burnham, described the 'Eat Out to Help Out' scheme as a mistake, saying the government should not be subsidizing meals out without releasing funds for low-paid workers to take time off to self-isolate. | Aug 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | Writing in the Sunday Mirror, he said: 'National lockdown was eased too soon and encouraging people back to the pub on Super Saturday was a big mistake as is the Eat Out to Help Out scheme. | Aug 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | 'We shouldn't spend taxpayers' money on subsidizing meals out but not support the low-paid to take time off work to protect their health.' | Aug 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | Chain restaurants participating in the Government's Eat Out To Help Out scheme | Aug 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | 'The new scheme being rolled out today has faced criticism from northern politicians who say it is unhelpful in newly locked-down areas in Lancashire and Greater Manchester. " | Aug 03 06:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The term "scheme" is right. | Aug 03 07:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It encourages people to show up at restaurants, which solves a problem for the restaurant owner. Not so much the employees. | Aug 03 07:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the US, no matter what's going on, the tipped minimum wage applies. | Aug 03 07:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if they stand around with insufficient customers, in Illinois they make like $5 an hour | Aug 03 07:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I absolutely rather would be a laid off restaurant worker because the unemployment is based on your total income hourly+tips, which if you got laid off before the recession, might be much higher than you'd make at work. | Aug 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | hhmmm.. | Aug 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | but that's coming to an end | Aug 03 07:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Suddenly, everyone has been piling into Little Caesars demanding those $5 pizzas. | Aug 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | I just wasted 20+ minutes trying to answer a Simple Question | Aug 03 07:11 |
| schestowitz | and I STILL don't know the answer | Aug 03 07:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a complete train wreck in there after about 4 PM. | Aug 03 07:11 |
| schestowitz | BBC says places in local lockdown are excluded | Aug 03 07:11 |
| schestowitz | but it's still advertised over the weekend it applies here, the discount | Aug 03 07:11 |
| schestowitz | so again mixed and confusing messages | Aug 03 07:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Parts of Illinois are heading for a second lockdown if the Governor doesn't change what qualifies as the threshold. | Aug 03 07:11 |
| schestowitz | I reckon even the eateries STILL don't know what's going on today | Aug 03 07:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lake and McHenry Counties have a 5.2% positivity rate on tests, which is up from 3% a couple of weeks ago. | Aug 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | because we want to take advantage of it this month | Aug 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | maybe near 9am there will be more clarity somewhere | Aug 03 07:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "because we want to take advantag"> Yeah, I would too if the government was putting out a perverse incentive like that. | Aug 03 07:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't like the sound of the program though. | Aug 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | if we're excluded it's a major injustice... we as taxpayers footing the food bills of people outside here... and we don't enjoy any of it | Aug 03 07:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Such is life. | Aug 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | 3 days a week | Aug 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | Monday to Weds | Aug 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | maybe only for same household groups | Aug 03 07:14 |
| schestowitz | for a price so low there are many places I want to go and try | Aug 03 07:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I would say subsidizing food at the supermarket by increasing SNAP limits would be a better policy right now. | Aug 03 07:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With the Republicans in charge, fat chance. | Aug 03 07:14 |
| schestowitz | yeah, Rianne mentioned it | Aug 03 07:14 |
| schestowitz | but that would somehow increase obesity, as if outside diners would not | Aug 03 07:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We need an emergency food stamp waiver for the next 6 months for all states. | Aug 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | also, bigger issue: | Aug 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | people can hoar | Aug 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | hoard | Aug 03 07:15 |
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| schestowitz | can go shop by shop and enpty them | Aug 03 07:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unemployment is at crisis levels right now. | Aug 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | the sales aren't being registered | Aug 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | with food eaten out you cannot stockpile and hoard | Aug 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | i guess anyway | Aug 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | you might be able to if they serve food that can be put aside, but compared to buying at shops I guess it's not economic, as dining places charge more | Aug 03 07:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Except my dad. He used to take those barbecue pork things home from the Chinese buffet and feed them to the dog. | Aug 03 07:16 |
| schestowitz | it's 7am here | Aug 03 07:16 |
| schestowitz | maybe later there will be further clarity on what the police is here | Aug 03 07:16 |
| schestowitz | 1 in 2000 here tests positive | Aug 03 07:16 |
| schestowitz | and they sound the alarm, panic, put new restrictions | Aug 03 07:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sorry, I meant 5.8%, not 5.2. | Aug 03 07:17 |
| schestowitz | that is a lot | Aug 03 07:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So about 6 in every 100 tests is coming back positive in Lake County. | Aug 03 07:17 |
| schestowitz | here it's a fraction of a percent | Aug 03 07:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, people go into Walmart and then take off their masks and walk around. | Aug 03 07:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why do you think I haven't been in there? | Aug 03 07:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm telling you, and I know what this sounds like..... | Aug 03 07:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | White people are getting their shit at the pickup area. | Aug 03 07:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Black people go inside and take off their masks. | Aug 03 07:18 |
| schestowitz | https://www.visitmanchester.com/whats-on/eat-out-to-help-out-in-greater-manchester-p449691 | Aug 03 07:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.visitmanchester.com | Eat Out to Help Out in Greater Manchester - Visit Manchester | Aug 03 07:18 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's horrific. | Aug 03 07:18 |
| superkuh | It's bad, but, of course cloth masks do not actually block aerosols. So as long as you wash your hands properly the difference between no mask and unfit mask (or surgical type), etc, is minimal. Not that I do not support requiring them anyway. | Aug 03 07:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Either they don't know what the dangers are or they have no regard for their own lives. | Aug 03 07:19 |
| schestowitz | Unless the page is out of date, this offer is still applicable here | Aug 03 07:19 |
| superkuh | The problem is that no one on the pro-mask side is willing to acknowledge that unfit cloth masks really aren't that effective at blocking aerosols and that aerosol is the dominant transmission mode. | Aug 03 07:19 |
| superkuh | We need to be pumping out fit N95, not making everyone think they're "safe" because they put on a bit of cloth. | Aug 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/03/confusion-eat-help-scheme-still-running-areas-lockdown/ | Aug 03 07:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Confusion as 'Eat Out to Help Out' scheme still running in areas under lockdown | Aug 03 07:20 | |
| schestowitz | wow, this is soooooo confusing | Aug 03 07:21 |
| superkuh | Granted, like everyone else, I thought contact was the main mode for the first few months. But people gotta keep up. Even if governments are perpetually 3 months behind. | Aug 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | I think that even if I phoned the diners, they TOO would not know what's going on today | Aug 03 07:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wear a KN95 mask with a velcro strap with a surgical mask underneath. | Aug 03 07:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm also using a lot of hand sanitizer. | Aug 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | I spent half an hour reading and I still don't know what's going on, the messages are often contradictory | Aug 03 07:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Still haven't had it. | Aug 03 07:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Each individual store in the mall is making sure you have your mask on before you go in. | Aug 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/uk/greater-manchester-declares-major-incident-over-rising-covid-19-rates/ | Aug 03 07:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eveningexpress.co.uk | Greater Manchester declares major incident over rising Covid-19 rates - Evening Express | Aug 03 07:23 | |
| schestowitz | "Mr Sunak said: “Our Eat Out to Help Out scheme’s number one aim is to help protect the jobs of 1.8 million chefs, waiters and restaurateurs by boosting demand and getting customers through the door." | Aug 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: some stores her give you a mask | Aug 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | if you don't have one | Aug 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | first time I saw it was fridaya | Aug 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | Friday | Aug 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | I think JD or Nike | Aug 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | or both | Aug 03 07:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | McDonalds will. | Aug 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | we bought sneakers to sell on ebay | Aug 03 07:24 |
| superkuh | Did it have a metal nose bridge? | Aug 03 07:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't have dining area open in Lake County McDonalds though right now. | Aug 03 07:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I usually just wear shoes I get at those bargains in a box stores. | Aug 03 07:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They might have one small mistake on them. | Aug 03 07:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got this pair for $7 and I've been wearing them for a year now. | Aug 03 07:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I agree with what John Oliver said at the beginning of this. | Aug 03 07:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You should definitely be concerned and don't do idiotic things that increase your risk. | Aug 03 07:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not the end of the world. | Aug 03 07:37 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 03 07:37 |
| schestowitz | I am actually a tad annoying that one CANNOT get clarity on it | Aug 03 07:37 |
| schestowitz | as we were planning to go out and use this thing, and now the BBC says we might be left out, our region | Aug 03 07:38 |
| schestowitz | but I cannot find ANYTHING to corroborate | Aug 03 07:38 |
| schestowitz | if we can save like $40 a week on food out, for 4 weeks, not bad... | Aug 03 07:38 |
| schestowitz | if not, then we just pay, as taxpayers, for other people's food bills | Aug 03 07:39 |
| schestowitz | which screws several times over those also negatively impacted | Aug 03 07:39 |
| schestowitz | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-53632102 | Aug 03 07:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Coronavirus: Major incident declared in Greater Manchester - BBC News | Aug 03 07:40 | |
| schestowitz | This is from last night | Aug 03 07:40 |
| schestowitz | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53431026 | Aug 03 07:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Coronavirus: How can I use the 'eat out to help out scheme'? - BBC News | Aug 03 07:40 | |
| schestowitz | "It is valid all day Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday from 3 to 31 August, in all parts of the UK that are not in a local lockdown." | Aug 03 07:41 |
| schestowitz | The article they cite says nothing about impact on the scheme | Aug 03 07:42 |
| schestowitz | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52934822 | Aug 03 07:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Coronavirus: What are the new lockdown rules for Greater Manchester? - BBC News | Aug 03 07:42 | |
| schestowitz | So they're in effect just confusing everyone and worse affected are business owners | Aug 03 07:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Take your money and fritter it away in the countryside. | Aug 03 07:42 |
| schestowitz | I can assure you they too don't know what the heck is going on today, whether their opting in to the scheme was a waste of time, hope and investment in ingredient, staff, preparations | Aug 03 07:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably on people who "hate the government" if it's anything like here. | Aug 03 07:43 |
| schestowitz | the statement from the BBC this morning is one of a kind, I see it nowhere else | Aug 03 07:43 |
| schestowitz | traveling far eliminates the savings associated with this | Aug 03 07:43 |
| schestowitz | I'd be furious if I was a restaurant | Aug 03 07:44 |
| schestowitz | some already blasted them | Aug 03 07:44 |
| schestowitz | They prepared for a busy week | Aug 03 07:44 |
| schestowitz | then monday morning/sunday night gov says, oh wait... emergency... sorry, no subsidies from us. bye | Aug 03 07:44 |
| schestowitz | people already canceled table bookings | Aug 03 07:44 |
| schestowitz | leaving an oversupply of food to rot | Aug 03 07:45 |
| schestowitz | "From Monday in Leicester, restaurants, cafes, bars, hairdressers, cinemas and museums can open but leisure centres, gyms and pools will remain closed. Religious ceremonies can also take place." | Aug 03 07:50 |
| schestowitz | This makes no sense | Aug 03 07:50 |
| schestowitz | So restaurants, where people sit near and stick stuff inside their mouths with their hands... OPEN | Aug 03 07:50 |
| schestowitz | gyms ... and our gym has been totally empty lately, just the two of us 90% of the time, shut | Aug 03 07:51 |
| schestowitz | inconsistent guidance | Aug 03 07:51 |
| schestowitz | Also, if they let dining places be open, why not discount? | Aug 03 07:51 |
| schestowitz | Does the discount make them more risky? | Aug 03 07:51 |
| schestowitz | Or do they try to limit number of people? | Aug 03 07:51 |
| schestowitz | by removing discounts? | Aug 03 07:51 |
| schestowitz | And if so, how are they helping businesses? | Aug 03 07:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems like your government is making as much sense as the one here. | Aug 03 07:52 |
| schestowitz | they cannot even answers these questions themselves! | Aug 03 07:52 |
| schestowitz | "yeah, keep the eatery open... but NO DISCOUNTS FOR YOU!" | Aug 03 07:52 |
| schestowitz | wait, what? | Aug 03 07:52 |
| schestowitz | makes no sense | Aug 03 07:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: When the Lake County board voted on a "business relief package" I was like "With whose money?". | Aug 03 07:52 |
| schestowitz | yours | Aug 03 07:53 |
| schestowitz | or china as lender :-) | Aug 03 07:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're a county board. They don't have any money that they didn't take from a business or a person. | Aug 03 07:53 |
| schestowitz | i am going to chase clarify on this | Aug 03 07:53 |
| schestowitz | we have not had proper breakfast, not sure now if we should | Aug 03 07:53 |
| schestowitz | not going to pay full price when 95% of the country gets half price off | Aug 03 07:53 |
| schestowitz | we can go about 15-16 times in a month, even several times per day | Aug 03 07:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're not paying us shit for anything. We'll be lucky if the stores don't all get wiped out again if this virus really starts to flare up again. | Aug 03 07:54 |
| schestowitz | and now... apparently we can go... but no discount, as if the discount itself poses a risk to health | Aug 03 07:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | April was bad and the worst it ever got was like 2,500 or so a day dying, and most of them in New York at that point. | Aug 03 07:54 |
| schestowitz | 160k by official count by tuesday ight | Aug 03 07:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We can't really just stay on "lockdowns" that don't make sense forever. | Aug 03 07:55 |
| schestowitz | brazil will surpass 100k this week | Aug 03 07:55 |
| schestowitz | well, capitalism may not make sense either, at these times (re "don't make sense forever.") | Aug 03 07:56 |
| schestowitz | it's conflicting with public health measures | Aug 03 07:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The long term damage from incoherent government that won't pick a lane is a ruined economy and lots of people die anyway. | Aug 03 07:57 |
| schestowitz | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53632649 | Aug 03 07:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | US entering 'different' phase of coronavirus outbreak - BBC News | Aug 03 07:57 | |
| schestowitz | mind you, I never read bbc except for sport and weather | Aug 03 07:57 |
| schestowitz | but as a gov mouthpiece we need it for clarity | Aug 03 07:57 |
| schestowitz | we made plans to dine out a lot, now it's all in vain | Aug 03 07:57 |
| schestowitz | I even took 3 days off work this week! | Aug 03 07:57 |
| schestowitz | I will be off work till next weekend | Aug 03 07:57 |
| schestowitz | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-53598965 | Aug 03 07:58 |
| schestowitz | more deaths than UK | Aug 03 07:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Coronavirus: Iran cover-up of deaths revealed by data leak - BBC News | Aug 03 07:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53549861 | Aug 03 07:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Coronavirus: How the travel downturn is sending jet planes to 'boneyards' - BBC News | Aug 03 07:59 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | You took days off to go out to eat? | Aug 03 07:59 |
| schestowitz | no | Aug 03 08:01 |
| schestowitz | actually for gym | Aug 03 08:01 |
| schestowitz | but they closed down on Friday, ours at least | Aug 03 08:01 |
| schestowitz | these two pages create more confusion than they help https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53631611 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53431026 | Aug 03 08:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Eat out to help out: Coronavirus scheme offering UK diners 50% off begins - BBC News | Aug 03 08:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Coronavirus: How can I use the 'eat out to help out scheme'? - BBC News | Aug 03 08:01 | |
| schestowitz | they say in one sentence, not corroborated anywhere whatsoever (not even a link!), that this doesn't apply here all of a sudden | Aug 03 08:02 |
| schestowitz | the gov. pages say nothing to that effect | Aug 03 08:02 |
| schestowitz | but if BBC is gov. mouthpiece, then.. | Aug 03 08:02 |
| schestowitz | also, I notice they do face-saving PR while on the payroll (several bribes!) of Bill Gates | Aug 03 08:02 |
| schestowitz | BBC is very corrupt in that regard | Aug 03 08:02 |
| schestowitz | I really should stop reading it now... I avoided it for years | Aug 03 08:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 03 08:03 |
| schestowitz | The discount is only available on food and drink that you intend to consume on the premises, and can be used as many times as you like. | Aug 03 08:03 |
| schestowitz | There is no limit on how many people can use the discount in one party, and it includes children. | Aug 03 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Participating venues are supposed to offer the full 50% discount all day Monday to Wednesday and across the whole food and soft drink menu. | Aug 03 08:03 |
| schestowitz | There's no minimum spend and you don't have to order food to be eligible, for example a £3 coffee would cost £1.50 under the scheme. | Aug 03 08:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 03 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Government: don't meet in gardens | Aug 03 08:04 |
| schestowitz | don't visit friends' house | Aug 03 08:04 |
| schestowitz | but... you can go out and meet in pubs and diners | Aug 03 08:04 |
| schestowitz | that's perfectly OK | Aug 03 08:04 |
| schestowitz | if you can afford it | Aug 03 08:04 |
| schestowitz | BUT... no discounts | Aug 03 08:04 |
| schestowitz | so if you're poor, don't meet anyone | Aug 03 08:04 |
| schestowitz | and we even take away the rebates you pay for as a taxpayers in that "Scheme"... so you won't be able to meet people outside the house | Aug 03 08:05 |
| schestowitz | makes. no. sense. | Aug 03 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 03 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Several fast-food chains are taking part in the scheme, which has drawn criticism from some anti-obesity campaigners. The National Obesity Forum, for example, has said it would be a ''green light to promote junk food''. | Aug 03 08:06 |
| schestowitz | The discount scheme sits alongside the government's healthy eating plan that bans "buy one get one free" deals on unhealthy food, amid growing evidence of a link between obesity and an increased risk from coronavirus. | Aug 03 08:06 |
| schestowitz | When asked if the government was promoting mixed messages, Care Minister Helen Whately told LBC Radio that under the healthy eating plans, large chain restaurants will have to publish calorie breakdowns of their meals, helping diners to make an ''informed choice''. | Aug 03 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 03 08:06 |
| schestowitz | anyway, enough about that | Aug 03 08:06 |
| schestowitz | let's talk tech instead.. | Aug 03 08:06 |
| schestowitz | https://wptavern.com/unsplash-responds-to-image-licensing-concerns-clarifies-reasons-for-hotlinking-and-tracking | Aug 03 08:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wptavern.com | Unsplash Responds to Image Licensing Concerns, Clarifies Reasons for Hotlinking and Tracking – WordPress Tavern | Aug 03 08:07 | |
| schestowitz | hotlinking has long been problematic | Aug 03 08:07 |
| schestowitz | in my browser I get triggered with a warning even if a mere image comes from a domain with expired ssl | Aug 03 08:08 |
| schestowitz | which is kind of silly imho | Aug 03 08:08 |
| schestowitz | it's not like an image can do much that's malicious | Aug 03 08:08 |
| schestowitz | it just renders pixels | Aug 03 08:08 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/StallmanWasRight/comments/i2rxg5/connect_the_dots/ | Aug 03 08:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | connect the dots : StallmanWasRight | Aug 03 08:10 | |
| schestowitz | someone has just left this comment: | Aug 03 08:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 03 08:10 |
| schestowitz | https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/02/toxic-agriculture-and-the-gates-foundation/ | Aug 03 08:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Toxic Agriculture and the Gates Foundation - CounterPunch.org | Aug 03 08:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://exposingvaccinegenocide.org/bill-gates-pedophile-scandal/ | Aug 03 08:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 03 08:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-exposingvaccinegenocide.org | Vaccine Kingpin Bill Gates Pedophile Scandal: Jeffrey Epstein, AI & the Population Controlling 'Deep State' - Exposingvaccinegenocide | Aug 03 08:10 | |
| schestowitz | it links to techrights | Aug 03 08:10 |
| schestowitz | https://www.dailylocal.com/arts_and_entertainment/wilford-brimley-cocoon-and-natural-actor-dies-at-85/article_7a3cbcef-7483-50e0-b046-1a302c6a0436.html | Aug 03 08:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wilford Brimley, 'Cocoon' and 'Natural' actor, dies at 85 | National and World | dailylocal.com | Aug 03 08:11 | |
| schestowitz | this may be out of date, it's 8:15am now and they still don't provide any clarity https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/newly-reopened-manchester-restaurants-bars-18556456 | Aug 03 08:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/newly-reopened-manchester-restaurants-bars-18556456 ) | Aug 03 08:15 | |
| schestowitz | I asked them | Aug 03 08:19 |
| schestowitz | BBC now says (late Sunday or early Monday) Manchester is left out from the 50% off food bill "scheme", as if the discounts themselves pose a public risk and we should foot only the bills of food of people outside Manchester. WTH? | Aug 03 08:19 |
| schestowitz | Clarity on this, MEN? No articles/sources. Only BBC. | Aug 03 08:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I never use "scheme" to talk about anything honest. | Aug 03 08:25 |
| schestowitz | in the US the meaning is different | Aug 03 08:25 |
| schestowitz | there are "rent-to-own" "schemes" | Aug 03 08:25 |
| schestowitz | maybe those too are dodgy "schemes" | Aug 03 08:25 |
| schestowitz | but the word is used commonly | Aug 03 08:26 |
| schestowitz | I think it's a French word in origin | Aug 03 08:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It means a plot to do something underhanded or illegal here, mostly. | Aug 03 08:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Rent A Center is having a bad time. | Aug 03 08:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People definitely can't afford those schemes right now. | Aug 03 08:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Plus, they reopened a distribution center and get almost 150 people sick immediately. | Aug 03 08:28 |
| schestowitz | well, many businesses or business types are like that at the moment | Aug 03 08:29 |
| schestowitz | 3+ months of quarantine didn't eliminate this thing sufficiently | Aug 03 08:29 |
| schestowitz | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-53632102 | Aug 03 08:31 |
| schestowitz | "Oldham, the second worst affected borough in the country, saw its seven-day rate jump from 41.6 to 62.8 per 100,000 people, with 148 new cases reported in the past week." | Aug 03 08:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Coronavirus: Major incident declared in Greater Manchester - BBC News | Aug 03 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | That's still less than 1 in 1000 | Aug 03 08:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They set up in working class neighborhoods where people never have any money. | Aug 03 08:33 |
| schestowitz | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362 | Aug 03 08:33 |
| schestowitz | "Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, while welcoming the measures, condemned the government's decision to announce the changes on Twitter just after 21:00 BST on Thursday as "a new low for the government's communications during this crisis"." | Aug 03 08:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Coronavirus: Visiting people at home banned in parts of northern England - BBC News | Aug 03 08:33 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ironically, agreements like that are part of the reason why. | Aug 03 08:33 |
| schestowitz | still no reply to me, from MEN or others who follow it. I am 100% sure nobody knows the answer, no better than I do | Aug 03 08:36 |
| schestowitz | I wasted like an hour in vain | Aug 03 08:36 |
| schestowitz | because there's like 20 dine-outs at stake for us | Aug 03 08:36 |
| schestowitz | each time it can be up to 20 pounds in savings | Aug 03 08:37 |
| schestowitz | sometimes a meal would cost the same as making it at home | Aug 03 08:37 |
| schestowitz | and we're not far from town | Aug 03 08:37 |
| schestowitz | that also helps the businesses as the money comes from taxpayers' purse anyway | Aug 03 08:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Also punishing the restaurants who opened up in your area and can't take the money or even open. | Aug 03 08:50 |
| schestowitz | https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchester-major-incident-declared-18704915 | Aug 03 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk | Greater Manchester major incident declared over coronavirus - council leader says 'don't panic' - Manchester Evening News | Aug 03 08:52 | |
| schestowitz | "It comes as Chancellor Rishi Sunak heralded the start of the Treasury’s Eat Out to Help Out scheme – an offer of half-price meals during August in order to entice people out of their stay-at-home lockdown habits and into restaurants and pubs again after the hospitality sector was badly hit by the pandemic." | Aug 03 08:52 |
| schestowitz | BBC has only half a sentence on this | Aug 03 08:52 |
| schestowitz | contradicted by anything else I can find and it's 9am | Aug 03 08:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 03 08:54 |
| schestowitz | Mr Sunak said: “Our Eat Out to Help Out scheme’s number one aim is to help protect the jobs of 1.8 million chefs, waiters and restaurateurs by boosting demand and getting customers through the door. | Aug 03 08:54 |
| schestowitz | “The industry is a vital ingredient to our economy and it’s been hit hard by coronavirus, so enjoy summer safely by showing your favourite places your support – we’ll pay half.” | Aug 03 08:54 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz Could be worse. Our government does basicallly nothing except have the beggar thy landlord law until after the election. | Aug 03 18:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Calls it tough love. Has mom repeating that there's plenty of jobs and 30% are only unemployed because they're being coddled. | Aug 03 18:12 |
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| MinceR | lol @ fundies idea of what "love" is | Aug 03 18:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: tell her to drop dead ;-) | Aug 03 18:14 |
| schestowitz | poor-shaming tactics, she must be watching Faux Noise | Aug 03 18:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's never a disaster for her because she's a nurse. Except that it is because if one person walks in with it, those facilities won't be around much longer. | Aug 03 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: on a more serious note, ask her if Trump and Bloomberg and Bezos etc. and that whole class owns as much as 150 million Americans combined because they work a MILLIOn times harder than all those 'lazy' people who clean toilet and pick fruit all day long | Aug 03 18:19 |
| schestowitz | we went to two restaurants today, brunch and afternoon. 20 pounds off the bills. | Aug 03 18:20 |
| schestowitz | paid nice tip, instead | Aug 03 18:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: tell her nurses are a dying breed | Aug 03 18:20 |
| schestowitz | and if she's still literate (her position on Trump suggests that mind is starting to go) show her this new article https://www.propublica.org/article/nobody-accurately-tracks-health-care-workers-lost-to-covid-19-so-she-stays-up-at-night-cataloging-the-dead | Aug 03 18:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.propublica.org | Nobody Accurately Tracks Health Care Workers Lost to COVID-19. So She Stays Up At Night Cataloging the Dead. — ProPublica | Aug 03 18:22 | |
| schestowitz | it is from yesterday | Aug 03 18:22 |
| schestowitz | took me 2 minutes to find that link | Aug 03 18:22 |
| schestowitz | have a look | Aug 03 18:22 |
| schestowitz | lots of nurses died in the UK and US | Aug 03 18:22 |
| schestowitz | and almost nobody talks abotu the extend of it | Aug 03 18:22 |
| schestowitz | as it would scare them off the job | Aug 03 18:23 |
| schestowitz | in .PH many nurses go on protests and strikes now | Aug 03 18:23 |
| schestowitz | with demands from the government | Aug 03 18:23 |
| schestowitz | because their job is so dangerous and underpaid | Aug 03 18:23 |
| schestowitz | those that go to work in the US die also, in large numbers | Aug 03 18:23 |
| schestowitz | they're thrown at the COVID 'frontline' | Aug 03 18:23 |
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| MinceR | https://cdn.mastodon.technology/cache/media_attachments/files/007/410/411/original/1689567b04641c6e.jpeg | Aug 03 18:39 |
| XRevan86 | D) Hindu-Arabic numeral system | Aug 03 18:40 |
| schestowitz | not much change for those of us who work from home all along | Aug 03 18:40 |
| scientes | XRevan86, smart ass | Aug 03 18:41 |
| scientes | "digital" | Aug 03 18:41 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Beat you to it? :) | Aug 03 18:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m] also works from home | Aug 03 18:42 |
| schestowitz | digitalFC | Aug 03 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Funky Clunky | Aug 03 18:43 |
| MinceR | E) genes for upper appendage | Aug 03 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > paid nice tip, instead | Aug 03 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I left a $20 with the waitress at the steakhouse on our anniversary. I do tios in cash. | Aug 03 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That way their manager can't swipe it and take a little off the top. I don't know if they do, but my ex was a waiter at a place that did. | Aug 03 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "tips | Aug 03 18:49 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently the Greek still use Greek numerals to this day. | Aug 03 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems that would get a bit clunky. | Aug 03 18:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz Oh, I know. And my cousins are nurses in retirement homes and one of them smokes. | Aug 03 18:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a bad time to ve a smoker. Never a good time, but with this going around... | Aug 03 18:52 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I guess if lung cancer and heart disease and all the rest doesn't scare you enough, what would? | Aug 03 18:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't remember everything cigarettes put you at increased risk of, but with cancer and heart damage on top, I didn't need to hear more. | Aug 03 18:53 |
| schestowitz | today rianne_ pointed out a woman who smoked in the street was also obese | Aug 03 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The manager says he thinks they can fix my car by tomorrow. | Aug 03 18:54 |
| schestowitz | and I told her there's a correlation because a lot of people who are careless about their health smoke as well, as there's a sort of hopelessness | Aug 03 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GM discontinued the part but he says they can make something that works just as well. | Aug 03 18:54 |
| schestowitz | doesn't sound good | Aug 03 18:55 |
| schestowitz | they just want the money | Aug 03 18:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just a rubber hose with some boots, basically. | Aug 03 18:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GM? | Aug 03 18:55 |
| schestowitz | The garage | Aug 03 18:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, they want you to buy a new car so they discontinue random replacement parts. | Aug 03 18:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a vacuum line to the PCV valve. | Aug 03 18:56 |
| XRevan86 | I keep waiting for the day when smoking will be seen as something that has no positive qualities whatsoever. | Aug 03 18:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I went looking for the part, and GM only makes it for the 3.4 engine in the Impala. I've got the 3.8. | Aug 03 18:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody sells a compatible replacement. Not even the discount auto part stores that have everything else. | Aug 03 18:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had two leaks. The first one was the fuel regulator vacuum line. So I had them replace it and the light came back. | Aug 03 18:58 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz Nah, if it turns out to be something stupid I've had them just fix it and not even charge me. | Aug 03 19:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seen it with other customers too. | Aug 03 19:25 |
| schestowitz | let's not talk about cars.. | Aug 03 19:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Planned obsolescence. | Aug 03 19:25 |
| schestowitz | grease monkeys over there -------> ;-) | Aug 03 19:25 |
| schestowitz | what's the latest on tiktok | Aug 03 19:26 |
| schestowitz | does Microsoft cooperation with the nazi still work out? | Aug 03 19:26 |
| schestowitz | I read Nadella is phoning the nazi | Aug 03 19:26 |
| schestowitz | "useful nazi" | Aug 03 19:26 |
| schestowitz | nonetheless | Aug 03 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparentl, Trump said they have 45 days to sell it to Microsoft or he'll ban it. | Aug 03 19:26 |
| schestowitz | this is what they've sunk to | Aug 03 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: we help the dictator, he helps us back | Aug 03 19:26 |
| schestowitz | yes, I read that | Aug 03 19:26 |
| schestowitz | ultimatum, blackmail, pushing down the price, confiscation | Aug 03 19:27 |
| schestowitz | and gifting it to his corrupt enablers | Aug 03 19:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Shotgun wedding. They're being threatened to sell it quickly and for less than it's worth. | Aug 03 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft needs more light shed on this disgusting practice | Aug 03 19:27 |
| schestowitz | but we need to figure out how to best communicate it | Aug 03 19:27 |
| schestowitz | When Microsoft Mafia Met the Don | Aug 03 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a way to kill two birds with one stone for Trump. He'll instantly have Microsoft owe him a big one and then TikTok turns into a sewer that won't ban Republicans or QAnon or whatever no matter what they do. No fact check labels either. | Aug 03 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He also gets to beat up on China. | Aug 03 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're helping him set up an alternative to Twitter now that Twitter links to fact checkers when he lies about important things. | Aug 03 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Remember when younger people used Facebook and then their parents discovered it and it became a cesspit full of Trump's nonsense? | Aug 03 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He got Herman Cain into it and it was a very drawn out suicide in the end. His belief in the Trump sponsored anti-mask lies. | Aug 03 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We had to take an Uber back from the car repair place. Obviously impossible to use social distancing. Everyone had a mask on and the windows were down. The guy who picked us up was in his 60s. | Aug 03 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But there's lots of good jobs that nobody wants. Source: Mom | Aug 03 19:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Just ask a man in his 60s who nets $2 after gas, insurance, and depreciation. Gets to risk Coronavirus, which means 20% chance of death. Think of all those great jobs he just doesn't take for some reason! | Aug 03 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | NPR says Illinois Governor Pritzker renewed the eviction ban through the 22nd. Landlords aren't bothering to file for one for the most part just to sit on it, but when the moratorium expires, 42% of Illinois renters face eviction at the aame time. Even though there's lots of hood jobs. Remember? | Aug 03 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Good jobs.... | Aug 03 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lol hood jobs. That's all there ever was for many people because the 1% abandoned them. | Aug 03 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Think anyone slings drugs because there's good jobs in their neighborhood? What is the life expectancy of a drug dealer? Do they have a good 401(k)? Dental? | Aug 03 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Republican good job bullshit just has to ignore the mass poverty that their policies create. | Aug 03 19:40 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It takes about 90% of my income to pay for housing and utilities. The only reason we didn't go under already is because the work permit arrived for Mandy immediately before the shutdown. | Aug 03 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had been taking on water so fast during those several months after the torpedo that John and the state fired at me exploded amidships that we were nearly done for, bankruptcy or no bankruptcy. | Aug 03 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The bankruptcy can suck that water out and float you back up to the top, metaphorically, but you immediately start sinking again if the hole is still there. | Aug 03 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz That's the only reason that the fur isn't flying in some courts right now. | Aug 03 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People realize that the longer they can take on water, the more the bankruptcy pumps out when they have no choice anymore. | Aug 03 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think Pritzker is smart enough to realize that as soon as people can lose their apartment, the bankruptcy court gets slammed. I would not be surprised if the filing website crashes because of so many people uploading things. | Aug 03 19:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The bankruptcy, for most people, might help in that it stalls out their landlord some more and gets them out of really bad contracts and wipes out the credit cards and stuff. | Aug 03 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Without a job to go to, the giant hole is still there and the ship starts to sink again anyway. | Aug 03 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's nothing that's going to get the economy going again at this point. | Aug 03 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Biden lol | Aug 03 19:56 |
| schestowitz | like Obama and hom forgave and heped banksters | Aug 03 19:56 |
| schestowitz | but don't worry, hope/change | Aug 03 19:56 |
| schestowitz | you will get change | Aug 03 19:56 |
| schestowitz | and hope for change | Aug 03 19:56 |
| schestowitz | "change please" | Aug 03 19:57 |
| schestowitz | "i need bread, sNAP is over" | Aug 03 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Technically, when you get a car loan, you're signing two agreements. A promise to pay the loan back, which is a promissory note, the same type of agreement as a credit card, and an agreement that the bank has the car as collateral, and can repossess it if you don't pay. | Aug 03 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bankruptcy wipes out the promise to pay them back, but they can still repossess the car as soon as the discharge order goes through or the judge allows it. | Aug 03 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: If 42% are facing eviction, imagine what happens to all of those cars. | Aug 03 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the mean time, they're running new car ads on TV saying don't worry, you don't have to make your first payment for 90 days. | Aug 03 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's surreal. | Aug 03 20:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | 42% face eviction and people are financing cars? | Aug 03 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Mandy never learned about the Great Depression in school. | Aug 03 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder what the effects were on the Philippines. It seems pretty underdeveloped even today. | Aug 03 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would have hit the industrialized world much worse, I'd imagine. | Aug 03 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Philippines sounds like it's a stone's throw away from a barter economy under Duterte. | Aug 03 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I've heard some Libertarian arguments and I can't really see how it would be worse than what's going on now. | Aug 03 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Businesses already pay their workers the lowest amount the market will allow. We pay trillions for government, and businesses scam us and pour toxic waste down storm drains and shit. | Aug 03 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So what are they doing, really? | Aug 03 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ZeroHedge is a source of amusement. | Aug 03 20:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One guy says you could give every black person a million dollars and watch over 5 years as 100% of them eventually declare bankruptcy. I think that's a little harsh. | Aug 03 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Both my cousins got $450,000 in life insurance money when my Aunt died in 2013. | Aug 03 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So $900,000 total. | Aug 03 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In about a year it was gone. Now one of them is getting ready to file bankruptcy for the third time. | Aug 03 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're both white. | Aug 03 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think you just hear about this stuff more when people have an agenda. About the only category of crime associated with social rot that I don't hear a lot about with regards to white people is gun violence. | Aug 03 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, it happens, but you're not talking about 14 and 12 year olds shooting each other and everyone skips right over it because there's 100 more where that came from in the "paper" that morning, and there will be tomorrow too. | Aug 03 20:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As far as being poor, running out on women they got pregnant, slinging drugs, being loud and obnoxious, and in and out of prison all the time, octomom at the welfare office with her new iPhone 12 XL, there's many a white community where that is absolutely normal. | Aug 03 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you gave any of them a million dollars, then yes. 100% would be in bankruptcy and living in their trailer on welfare again (or dead) inside of 5 years. | Aug 03 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The shootings in Chicago are so bad that the papers manage to frame it as a joke. | Aug 03 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One report I read said "A man was shot in the back, in the back of his yard, in the Back of the Yards.". | Aug 03 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Oh, now that's like something I would have written.". | Aug 03 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm telling you there's just something very different and not right about the kind of people who would do this shit, and how cheap life is in those neighborhoods. | Aug 03 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What the hell kind of trash sticks a gun in the hand of a 12 year old and orders them to kill? Not a man. | Aug 03 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is more like warfare in a third world country where they use child soldiers. | Aug 03 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Democrats need to quit being soft on the people who are doing this, giving the orders, and just hang all of them. | Aug 03 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyone who sticks a gun in the hand of a child and tells them to kill deserves to forfeit their right to exist in this world. | Aug 03 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Democrats did a lot of really messed up things in Chicago, to black people. A lot of messed up things. Worse than Trump ever could achieve. | Aug 03 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump isn't the one who told Illinois to entertain corrupt public unions embezzling all of the education money and stacking the school districts with administrative bloat instead of teachers. Then when the bill comes due, shut the schools that the black kids go to down. | Aug 03 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump isn't the one who signed NAFTA (Clinton did), and then told Illinois to top that off with the worst business regulations and a workers comp system that is rife with fraud, and high taxes, to the extent you'd have to be insane to even open a business here, much less in a neighborhood in south Chicago. | Aug 03 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The problems go way deeper than some superficial racist comments that Trump said along the way. They go back decades, and it's like dealing with a hydra of problems in macro, whereas the only thing people want to point out are some sound bites that didn't get us here. | Aug 03 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a 12 headed beast of big corrupt government and foul trade deals. | Aug 03 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yeah, Biden won't change that. | Aug 03 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If those "black voters who like Biden" had been paying attention, they would have seen that Bernie Sanders had a very long and detailed plan that would start improving their situation rapidly. Improving the situation of most people, in fact. | Aug 03 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There weren't very many "voting irregularities" during the Democrat primary because they didn't want any. They wanted black voters to storm the polls and go "I'm voting for Biden because he flashed a few pictures of himself standing beside Obama!". | Aug 03 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now, of course, there will be voting irregularities that prevent them from casting a general election vote for Biden, and lawsuits out the wazoo, and people with machine guns standing at the polling places. Who knows where they're from, right? | Aug 03 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Could be Neo-Nazis playing Dress Up Soldier. Could be Trump's Delta Farce from the Department of Homeland Stupidity? Either way, it's banana republic stuff. | Aug 03 20:51 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | 400 million to 1 against winning the lottery. Wins the lottery....$1 million. Government takes a big wet $400,000 bite out of her ass despite the fact that the lottery proceeds are a tax on idiots to begin with an only about 20 cents on the dollar that people play goes into the "winnings" pot. Turns out that the winner is some crazy cat lady. It always is because those are the only people stupid enough to keep buying | Aug 03 20:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $100 worth of scratchers that never win anything for decades each time I'm trying to buy gas..... Anyway, nets $600,000 and blows the wad in 2 years. Wow. | Aug 03 20:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why is this always the story with lotto winners? | Aug 03 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: My mom's ex-husband just bought the damned things and put them into a giant pile in the living room and never checked the numbers. So I took the pile in a 14 gallon trash bag down to the scanner at the gas station. | Aug 03 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I spent about 2 hours scanning tickets and waiting for the beep to tell me if they won anything. | Aug 03 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Out of several hundreds tickets that cost him at least $1,500, there were $20 in winnings and 8 free tickets. | Aug 03 21:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people just end up throwing away their whole savings because they "dream" that they could win and all they get are worthless paper tickets. | Aug 03 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the mean time, he was being sued by everyone in the state of Indiana, including a dentist that he never paid. | Aug 03 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instead of having $15,000 over 10 years in savings, they throw it all away on the government lotto scam. If they actually won anything, it would be gone in a year or two anyway.. | Aug 03 21:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rich (or even middle class) people generally don't play the lottery because they know what things like 648 million to 1 against means. | Aug 03 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a habit that only the permanent underclass develops. | Aug 03 21:04 |
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| house49 | whats up | Aug 03 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems like a slow day. | Aug 03 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/mens-wearhouse-files-bankruptcy | Aug 03 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Men's Wearhouse Files For Bankruptcy | Zero Hedge | Aug 03 21:10 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder if this would be the right time to grab some suits. | Aug 03 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm with most of these people. I put on pants once every few days lately. Who needs a suit right now? Even the lawyers are doing conference calls because they're not stupid enough to go anywhere near this virus. | Aug 03 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Leave it for the underclass. They shoot at each other and walk out in front of traffic. | Aug 03 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're not afraid of that, they're not afraid of the virus. | Aug 03 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The violent crime is up 27% in the cities this year. | Aug 03 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The cops are even less motivated to do anything about it than they usually are. | Aug 03 21:17 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/google-virtue-signals-7-billion-bond-issue-fight-racial-inequality | Aug 03 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Google Virtue-Signals With Record ESG Bond Issue To "Fight Racial Inequality" | Zero Hedge | Aug 03 21:20 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft issued some of these bonds apparently. | Aug 03 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | While working with Twitler to nab TikTok and turn it into an open sewer for the MAGA people. | Aug 03 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: To quote Steve Jobs, "America's problems aren't Apple's problems.". | Aug 03 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't imagine that these "social justice" bonds are anything of the sort. | Aug 03 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.wired.com/story/citizen/ | Aug 03 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Inside Citizen, the App That Asks You to Report on Crimes | WIRED | Aug 03 21:33 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The collapse of western society has an app. | Aug 03 21:34 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/president-trump-might-be-easier-if-microsoft-buys-all-of-tiktok.html | Aug 03 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Trump: Microsoft should pay 'key money' to Treasury for TikTok deal | Aug 03 21:41 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is telling Microsoft to pay the Treasury for "facilitating" the TikTok deal. | Aug 03 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Microsoft had $136.53 billion cash, equivalents and short-term investments as of June 30, according to the company's most recent quarterly earnings report." | Aug 03 21:44 |
| Ariadne | trump can fuck off | Aug 03 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/789019/000119312520197109/d941281dex991.htm | Aug 03 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sec.gov | EX-99.1 | Aug 03 21:45 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Under GAAP, Microsoft reports a 15% decline in net income and earnings per share compared with the same quarter last year. | Aug 03 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Search advertising revenue excluding traffic acquisition costs decreased 18% (down 17% in constant currency)" | Aug 03 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It's that advertising division that was the biggest drag, according to Microsoft themselves. Which would seem to corroborate those people saying they're being laid off from the advertising division around the same time Cortana was discontinued on most platforms. | Aug 03 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows OEM revenue was up 7% according to Microsoft, which is a very slow growth, and it doesn't really say much. They account for OEM revenue using a weird rebate system. So god only knows how much is going right back out the door to pay OEMs back for things like putting Windows 10 in S mode. | Aug 03 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They need those things priced like a Chromebook and they rebate almost the entire license to the OEM to get it there. Taking it in first lets them say they had revenue. | Aug 03 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 10 is turning into a loss leader to fuel Bing/Edge lock-in (ad revenue) and trying to sell people on Microsoft's web Office programs and Skype. | Aug 03 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "LinkedIn revenue increased 10% (up 11% in constant currency)." | Aug 03 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's interesting. They fired 1,000 people and claim elsewhere in the SEC report that LinkedIn was hurt badly by the pandemic. | Aug 03 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Operating expenses were $12.3 billion and increased 13%, including the $450 million charge for | Aug 03 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | the closure of the Microsoft Store physical locations" | Aug 03 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Microsoft returned $8.9 billion to shareholders in the form of share repurchases and dividends in the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2020, an increase of 16% compared to the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2019." | Aug 03 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Burned cash to get EPS up so it doesn't look like a disaster. | Aug 03 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Reading the report, it looks like they took the patents they donated to the OIN as a tax write off. | Aug 03 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which saved them $2.6 billion dollars in taxes. | Aug 03 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you dig deeper, they say the entire 7% increase in Windows OEM revenue (which may be stripped away by rebates), was non-pro OEM SKUs. | Aug 03 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Professional SKU OEM license revenue fell by 4%. | Aug 03 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Advertising revenue decrease was enough to entirely wipe out the reported gain in Windows OEM license revenue, plus $20 million. | Aug 03 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They might be "selling" a lot of Windows license, but I don't think there's a lot of money in it. | Aug 03 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "In the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2019, inresponse to the TCJA and recently issued regulations, we transferred certain intangible properties held by our foreign subsidiaries to the United States and Ireland." | Aug 03 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The US has become a tax haven for them in other words, so they moved some things around on paper. | Aug 03 22:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/banks-say-they-are-tightening-lending-standards-even-as-demand-for-money-falls.html | Aug 03 22:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Banks say they are tightening lending standards even as demand for money falls | Aug 03 22:14 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Banks are tightening lending standards across the board despite lower demand and as the Federal Reserve encourages lending. They said in a Fed survey that they are lowering credit limits and demanding higher minimum credit scores from consumers." | Aug 03 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I like how we're seeing this one again. The Fed is "encouraging" a bunch of risky loans that will probably go bad, and giving them the money to do it with, and then they just stick it in their account at the Fed and "earn" excess reserve interest. | Aug 03 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not much, but it's free money for the banks, with no risk. | Aug 03 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <Ariadne "trump can fuck off"> In a free country, people would just use whatever software they want and the government wouldn't have a say in it. | Aug 03 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's so many ridiculous laws that Trump could cite for banning TikTok, it's outrageous, but most of them date back into the 1950s and the red scare. | Aug 03 22:38 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "A concentrated coffee/milk/sugar mixture was produced for the Union army during the American Civil War under the name Essence of Coffee, a teaspoonful of which was mixed with a cup of hot water. It had the consistency of axle grease, and proved so unpopular with the troops that it was soon discontinued." | Aug 03 23:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How do you take your coffee? | Aug 03 23:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Oh, a 40w75 with cream, please!" | Aug 03 23:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Watching a German series "Das Boot". | Aug 03 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There are English subtitles. This First Officer is so insubordinate that I'd be tempted to throw him off the ship. I'm sure that's important to the plot later. | Aug 03 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: South Chicago is pretty different. There's a publication called "Who got nabbed?" and it shows mugshots and it's in the vending machines. | Aug 03 23:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I read it for the articles. 🤣 | Aug 03 23:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seriously, who is smiling in a mugshot photo? I've had mugshot photos taken and I wasn't smiling. | Aug 03 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably that lady Mandy caught stealing yesterday who said "Please I'm begging you don't turn me in! I got a pending case!". | Aug 03 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Out on bail and shoplifting..... Wouldn't you love to be her lawyer? | Aug 03 23:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then her boyfriend or whatever was shoplifting too, tried to stab a police officer, and got tasered. | Aug 03 23:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy was describing the guy flopping around on the floor and I was laughing so hard I was like "Stop. I'm going to wreck the car!". | Aug 03 23:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Let's just go in and steal $20 worth of crap while there's 6 armed police officers and the store dick standing right the fuck there. One of them on bail. The other thinks he'll go ahead and add trying to stab a cop to the list and gets tasered. | Aug 03 23:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It all makes sense now. My first probation meeting where she's like "Disorderly Conduct as a C Misdemeanor? What the hell are they doing wasting my time with this crap?" | Aug 03 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She wasn't wrong. While they were up there having the meeting with the judge, I leaned over and whispered "What the hell do they mean four months of it is supervised?". | Aug 03 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom's like "They just want to say they got something from you.". | Aug 03 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I noticed a statement in Walmart's financial reporting. | Aug 03 23:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They're doing some sort of behavioral detection software to detect people who are likely to be shoplifting and flag them to be stopped. | Aug 03 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, all of their stores closed all entrance/exit doors except the one by the grocery section. They said it was to make it easier to enforce their mask policy, but it's because of shoplifting. | Aug 03 23:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Shoplifting is up by double digits and one door is easier to watch then 2 or 3. | Aug 03 23:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *than | Aug 03 23:58 |
| MinceR | if you have sex with a prostitute without paying, is that rape or shoplifting? | Aug 03 23:59 |
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