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| oiaohm | I really do wonder if Microsoft will ever do MS Windows is free just you have to pay to disable advertising and randomally third party installed applications when you update. | Jan 04 00:49 |
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| superkuh | Maybe for "Home Edition" and the like. But unless businesses can pay something they get freaked out. | Jan 04 00:55 |
| MinceR | well, if we manage to beat them (despite their stranglehold on our boot firmware and on Linux), then i'd say it's likely | Jan 04 00:55 |
| MinceR | superkuh has a good point | Jan 04 00:56 |
| MinceR | though that could simply be a version where you pay and then you get the install media and/or license key + license that disables that stuff from the start | Jan 04 00:56 |
| MinceR | then again, it seems that with Backdoors10 microshit already had _some_ success of subverting how corporate IT does things | Jan 04 00:57 |
| MinceR | for example, they've allowed microshit's rather hostile approach to delivering OS updates | Jan 04 00:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We already have something that makes you shut down ads and unwanted software installed through a universal backdoor. | Jan 04 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's called Firefox. | Jan 04 01:11 |
| oiaohm | More of the server world systems are coming out without UEFI. | Jan 04 01:20 |
| oiaohm | I am not exactly sure how long Microsoft strangle hold on boot firmware will hold. | Jan 04 01:20 |
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| MinceR | unfortunately failfox comes with some unwanted software | Jan 04 01:42 |
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| MinceR | like pocket and pulseaudio | Jan 04 01:43 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: what do they use and how can i get one? | Jan 04 01:43 |
| superkuh | Without uefi? How? What? | Jan 04 01:49 |
| superkuh | I'd like to know more. | Jan 04 01:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wasn't there something that faked a pulseaudio api and hooked it up to ALSA's internal mixer or something? | Jan 04 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm guessing that the BSD people wrote it to deal with the radioactive waste and zombie bits coming from the systemd-kerneld world. | Jan 04 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was pleased when Fedora picked up upstart. | Jan 04 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I thought there'd be a more modern init that didn't take over the whole computer. | Jan 04 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The types of bugs making it into RHEL lately because of systemd are horrible. | Jan 04 02:56 |
| oiaohm | superkuh: MinceR https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LinuxBoot-2019 Its the Linuxboot stuff and that is on most of of the open compute hardware motherboards. | Jan 04 03:09 |
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| superkuh | Neat. Thanks. | Jan 04 03:10 |
| MinceR | nice | Jan 04 03:11 |
| MinceR | pity microsloth controls the LDF | Jan 04 03:11 |
| MinceR | 04 035357 < DaemonFC[m]> Wasn't there something that faked a pulseaudio api and hooked it up to ALSA's internal mixer or something? | Jan 04 03:11 |
| MinceR | there was | Jan 04 03:11 |
| MinceR | but fuck mozilla trying to tell me what sound server i'm required to run | Jan 04 03:11 |
| MinceR | it wasn't acceptable when microsuck did it, it's not acceptable when mozilla does it | Jan 04 03:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Linuxboot project is kind of controlled by someone worse Facebook. | Jan 04 03:12 |
| MinceR | ow | Jan 04 03:12 |
| oiaohm | Facebook has enough security problems they don't want more from firmware this might be one case where facebook requirements and everyone requirements truly align. | Jan 04 03:13 |
| oiaohm | https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse apulse is still around. | Jan 04 03:15 |
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| oiaohm | apulse code is better than Mozilla alsa code | Jan 04 03:15 |
| oiaohm | Really I do wonder how long until a Linux foundation cat fight with the difference in objectives of the different companies. | Jan 04 03:19 |
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| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPdgWYB9fdw | Jan 04 03:52 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1149967-the-linux-kernel-code-of-conduct-committee-begins-offering-regular-reports#post1149967 | Jan 04 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 04 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Is it possible to see the "questionable" messages? (the ones indicated as having "insulting behavior") | Jan 04 08:06 |
| schestowitz | If not then I fear there is something shady going on... | Jan 04 08:06 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jan 04 08:06 |
| schestowitz | "Private conversations should be protected and therefore they cannot just be published. There will always be a need for further context which would mean entire chains of messages ought to be made public. I am not sure how private the details of involved persons are, but releasing them could be harmful to both parties." | Jan 04 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 04 08:07 |
| schestowitz | I trust that the people involved are doing their jobs properly. | Jan 04 08:07 |
| schestowitz | and given that there have been 4 instances in such a long time, it means everyone is behaving! | Jan 04 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 04 08:07 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: i-rinat is not a BSD person. | Jan 04 08:59 |
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| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/RfrAr0YtTm0 nice | Jan 04 14:15 |
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| XRevan86 | https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/2020-January/004598.html | Jan 04 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.opensource.org | [License-review] For approval: The Cryptographic Autonomy License (Beta 4) | Jan 04 15:02 | |
| XRevan86 | Read a bit about CAL, saw that it obviously violates Freedom #0 | Jan 04 15:03 |
| XRevan86 | But then again, "Freedom #0" means nothing to OSI, so I went to https://opensource.org/osd and… "6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor" | Jan 04 15:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.org | The Open Source Definition | Open Source Initiative | Jan 04 15:03 | |
| XRevan86 | Not exactly "to run the program as you wish, for any purpose", but close enough, right? | Jan 04 15:05 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 04 15:08 |
| MinceR | so microsloth's goons have taken out 4 Linux developers already? | Jan 04 15:08 |
| MinceR | and they're proud of it already | Jan 04 15:09 |
| XRevan86 | Either way, this is a nice fresh controversy cooking up that will cause a clear schism of OSI and free software. | Jan 04 15:09 |
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| MinceR | i guess the more people microshit cancels from the Linux project, the more people there will be to fork Linux and keep it sane | Jan 04 15:12 |
| psydroid | microsuck is pulling its last trick of mutually assured destruction | Jan 04 15:12 |
| XRevan86 | Wait, where's the Microsoft connection? | Jan 04 15:13 |
| MinceR | the Microsoft Linux Foundation | Jan 04 15:16 |
| psydroid | through the microsuck foundation | Jan 04 15:16 |
| MinceR | originally they appointed some organizational unit of the Microsoft Linux Foundation to be the enforcers of the CoC, then they hid it behind some other name | Jan 04 15:17 |
| psydroid | quicksand foundation | Jan 04 15:17 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 04 15:17 |
| XRevan86 | Okay, I'll correct my question: where's the Linux Foundation connection? The licence is written for something called Holochain, and the approving body is The Popen Sorts Initiative | Jan 04 15:19 |
| MinceR | i'm talking about https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1149967-the-linux-kernel-code-of-conduct-committee-begins-offering-regular-reports#post1149967 | Jan 04 15:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Linux Kernel Code of Conduct Committee Begins Offering Regular Reports - Phoronix Forums | Jan 04 15:19 | |
| XRevan86 | oh | Jan 04 15:20 |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/13/56afc341f6ec1ca7.mp4 | Jan 04 15:27 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19082268 | Jan 04 15:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 04 15:34 | |
| MinceR | that OSI thread is interesting also because it shows that free software can be approached in a way that is not totally legalistic | Jan 04 15:36 |
| schestowitz | [15:08] <MinceR> so microsloth's goons have taken out 4 Linux developers already? | Jan 04 16:09 |
| schestowitz | URGENT | Jan 04 16:09 |
| schestowitz | what does this refer to? | Jan 04 16:09 |
| schestowitz | I was just about to do an article about OSI | Jan 04 16:09 |
| schestowitz | as of hours ago | Jan 04 16:09 |
| schestowitz | oh, wait | Jan 04 16:10 |
| schestowitz | I just got back home | Jan 04 16:10 |
| schestowitz | and I see some had beaten me to it | Jan 04 16:10 |
| schestowitz | and asked similar question | Jan 04 16:10 |
| schestowitz | if you do, however.... | Jan 04 16:10 |
| schestowitz | know of Microsoft-OSI connections | Jan 04 16:11 |
| schestowitz | then tell me urgently | Jan 04 16:11 |
| schestowitz | as I will publish in a few mins | Jan 04 16:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft paid them | Jan 04 16:11 |
| schestowitz | put one person in the board | Jan 04 16:11 |
| schestowitz | then wrote osi blog post/s | Jan 04 16:11 |
| schestowitz | but that's all I know | Jan 04 16:11 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That wasn't about OSI | Jan 04 16:12 |
| XRevan86 | (15:19:52) MinceR: i'm talking about https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1149967-the-linux-kernel-code-of-conduct-committee-begins-offering-regular-reports#post1149967 | Jan 04 16:12 |
| schestowitz | can you name these devs? | Jan 04 16:12 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jan 04 16:12 |
| schestowitz | I beat phoronix to it | Jan 04 16:12 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it yesterday | Jan 04 16:12 |
| schestowitz | but where are the Microsoft connections? | Jan 04 16:12 |
| schestowitz | I know those 4 people | Jan 04 16:12 |
| schestowitz | only greg k-h is remotely connected | Jan 04 16:13 |
| schestowitz | sacha levine is not there | Jan 04 16:13 |
| schestowitz | but maybe I miss something | Jan 04 16:13 |
| schestowitz | I studied their background a bit | Jan 04 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | sorry fot the urgency byw | Jan 04 16:14 |
| schestowitz | btw | Jan 04 16:14 |
| schestowitz | I found something earlier today | Jan 04 16:14 |
| schestowitz | I will publish asap | Jan 04 16:14 |
| schestowitz | the link from XRevan86 came at a puuurfect time | Jan 04 16:14 |
| *XRevan86 debates with himself over the nature of copyleft. | Jan 04 16:15 | |
| XRevan86 | I think the key difference between this and, say, a ban on tivoisation, is that a ban on tivoisation limits the options of the manufacturer to limit the user; and this limits the person who's directly using the software. | Jan 04 16:16 |
| XRevan86 | But one could argue that the end user is not the one who installed the software but their hypothetical client still… | Jan 04 16:17 |
| XRevan86 | except that this doesn't maintain the four freedoms of the end user either but their cryptographic keys | Jan 04 16:22 |
| schestowitz | cheers | Jan 04 16:23 |
| schestowitz | yes, I can see from the remarks above | Jan 04 16:23 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: question... | Jan 04 16:23 |
| schestowitz | where did you find the mailing list link? | Jan 04 16:23 |
| schestowitz | some forum? /.? other? | Jan 04 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: https://opennet.ru/52135 :) | Jan 04 16:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opennet.ru | ??? ??? ???? ?????? OSI ?-? ??????, ?????? ???? CAL | Jan 04 16:24 | |
| schestowitz | ok, not useful to us | Jan 04 16:24 |
| schestowitz | as it's in Russia | Jan 04 16:24 |
| schestowitz | and the comments are too | Jan 04 16:24 |
| schestowitz | so few readers can make sense of it | Jan 04 16:24 |
| XRevan86 | > Главная ссылка к новости (https://theregister.co.uk/2020/01/03/osi_cofounder_resigns) | Jan 04 16:24 |
| XRevan86 | Didn't notice that initially | Jan 04 16:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Bruce Perens quits Open Source Initiative amid row over new data-sharing crypto license: 'We've gone the wrong way with licensing' • The Register | Jan 04 16:24 | |
| MinceR | 04 170931 < schestowitz> URGENT | Jan 04 16:26 |
| MinceR | apparently they only got reprimanded | Jan 04 16:26 |
| scientes | what is the problems with the licence | Jan 04 16:27 |
| scientes | what a shitty article | Jan 04 16:27 |
| scientes | all drama and no substance | Jan 04 16:27 |
| MinceR | the people who smile while they stab you in the back phrased it as "education and coaching" | Jan 04 16:27 |
| MinceR | yeah, i'd like to know what that license is like | Jan 04 16:27 |
| scientes | MinceR, re-education | Jan 04 16:28 |
| scientes | MinceR, concentration too | Jan 04 16:28 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 04 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | The OpenNET article is structured in a way that gets to the point | Jan 04 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | how did they get all that from The Register? %) | Jan 04 16:28 |
| scientes | yeah, it talks about the license in the second paragraph | Jan 04 16:29 |
| MinceR | it might be _somewhere_ in OSI's archives | Jan 04 16:29 |
| MinceR | (not in the thread that was linked though, apparently) | Jan 04 16:29 |
| scientes | cause its the most important thing after giving the context | Jan 04 16:29 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: thanks for el reg link | Jan 04 16:30 |
| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/etnmn7.jpg | Jan 04 16:33 |
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| XRevan86 | What OpenNET writes is that under the licence "public performance" of Holochain (as opposed to testing I guess) including its API for launching applications is permitted only when ensuring privacy and autonomy of private cryptographic keys of each user. | Jan 04 16:33 |
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| XRevan86 | It's just easier to me to translate this translated from English Russian text back to English than to find the source | Jan 04 16:34 |
| MinceR | that sounds both nonfree and unnecessary | Jan 04 16:34 |
| schestowitz | [16:29] <scientes> cause its the most important thing after giving the context | Jan 04 16:35 |
| schestowitz | the mailing list has the context | Jan 04 16:35 |
| schestowitz | I will put emphasis on the original | Jan 04 16:35 |
| schestowitz | but the tldr is Microsoft | Jan 04 16:36 |
| XRevan86 | I guess they're adressing the problem "uhhhh, someone can write a shitty XMPP client and break the OMEMO trust stuff, so XMPP saks, unlike the Signal silo" | Jan 04 16:36 |
| schestowitz | not this company with this dodgy openwashing ploy | Jan 04 16:36 |
| schestowitz | brb | Jan 04 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | I wouldn't call it openwashing as the restrictions are not of a cashcrabbing nature. | Jan 04 16:42 |
| XRevan86 | * cashgrabbing | Jan 04 16:42 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i don't think a license can fix the problem of users being absolute morons | Jan 04 16:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Oh, it seems that this is not what Holochain has in mind | Jan 04 16:45 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently they want to monitor the network (dunno how it's all organised, so maybe that's doable) and sue those who screw with data | Jan 04 16:46 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe I misunderstood, but apparently an active approach they're going for. | Jan 04 16:47 |
| schestowitz | DONE: Made concise: | Jan 04 16:50 |
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| MinceR | ic | Jan 04 16:52 |
| schestowitz | the photo is HARD to fun | Jan 04 16:52 |
| schestowitz | I am guessing someone mailed to to Pocock | Jan 04 16:52 |
| schestowitz | I spennnnttt aagggggess | Jan 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | at the gym... trying to search for the original | Jan 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | couldn't find it anywhere | Jan 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | no matter where I looked and what i searched for | Jan 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | go ahead and try | Jan 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | but... | Jan 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | I cannot be sure it's actively suppress | Jan 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | they don't appear to have advertised that meeting | Jan 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | which makes one wonder | Jan 04 16:53 |
| schestowitz | one for the todo list I suppose... | Jan 04 16:53 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: of course even that is at the cost of freedom | Jan 04 16:54 |
| schestowitz | and it's part of an apparent coverup | Jan 04 16:54 |
| schestowitz | like the FSF never saying RMS would speak at MSFT!!!! | Jan 04 16:54 |
| schestowitz | So similar a thing | Jan 04 16:54 |
| schestowitz | the media just said he had spoken there days earlier | Jan 04 16:54 |
| schestowitz | just like that | Jan 04 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The important question is freedom of whom… That distinction differentiates between copyleft and non-free. | Jan 04 16:56 |
| MinceR | users | Jan 04 16:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I do think so, yes. | Jan 04 16:56 |
| MinceR | this seems orthogonal to copyleft | Jan 04 16:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Copyleft ensures user freedom through restricting what a developer/distributor/manufacturer can do. | Jan 04 16:57 |
| XRevan86 | So it's not orthogonal, the question is rather who's the user and who's the developer | Jan 04 16:58 |
| MinceR | not sure, since this is aimed more at user security | Jan 04 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But this also restricts what someone can do | Jan 04 16:59 |
| XRevan86 | with that someone being either a user, a developer or them both | Jan 04 16:59 |
| XRevan86 | If only developers are limited, this can pass, even if it protects something that isn't clearly freedom. | Jan 04 17:01 |
| MinceR | except for it violating both freedom 0 and section 6 of the OSD :> | Jan 04 17:02 |
| XRevan86 | So if I am a user, I download this piece of software, I run it openly (public performance), but don't give any thought to data management, then I can be liable; I think that's the problem. | Jan 04 17:04 |
| MinceR | that is a problem, yes | Jan 04 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | And, as OpenNET points out, if someone wants to apply the CAL-licensed software for some purposes where storing keys on the servers makes sense, then that's suddenly illegal. | Jan 04 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | something simplistic with just one shared local network maybe | Jan 04 17:10 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19082247 | Jan 04 17:12 |
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| XRevan86 | One could argue that this licence is not general-purpose, i.e. not for every project, but that's literally a violation of freedom #0 in itself | Jan 04 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | this code cannot be re-used for any project for legal reasons, and that's not free | Jan 04 17:15 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: The link to OpenNET is borked | Jan 04 17:16 |
| XRevan86 | In summary, CAL is https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ka%C5%82#Polish | Jan 04 17:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | kał - Wiktionary | Jan 04 17:22 | |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 04 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | [17:16] <XRevan86> schestowitz: The link to OpenNET is borked | Jan 04 17:29 |
| schestowitz | thanks, fixed now | Jan 04 17:29 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1908308 | Jan 04 17:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 04 17:35 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: $20 DIY USB ‘Kill Cable’ Locks Down Your Linux Laptop If Snatched In Public http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132480 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c7cc7890-e6a0-404c-a0e4-4fde499d4466] | Jan 04 17:43 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, you are right | Jan 04 18:04 |
| scientes | freedom #0 | Jan 04 18:04 |
| scientes | but it is also a situation of 1) those that know don't care, and 2) those that care don't know | Jan 04 18:05 |
| scientes | The truth is right there to read, and no amount of non-sense will shake the believers. | Jan 04 18:07 |
| scientes | e.g. the believers (in free software) don't need "saving" | Jan 04 18:07 |
| scientes | so dissolve the FSF, GNU, and OSI | Jan 04 18:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I think it's just a situation of confusion on what exactly are the boundaries of copyleft. | Jan 04 18:08 |
| XRevan86 | > Luis Vill: we might as well just simplify by saying “OSI’s rule is that only FSF gets to advance the state of the art in copyleft, everyone else is stuck in a vast set of catch-22s that are impossible to simultaneously satisfy | Jan 04 18:08 |
| scientes | Upset people pull water wagons. XRevan86 | Jan 04 18:08 |
| scientes | :) | Jan 04 18:09 |
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| XRevan86 | * Luis Villa | Jan 04 18:09 |
| XRevan86 | It's weird for me, a rando, to say that about experienced software lawyers though | Jan 04 18:10 |
| MinceR | the FSF, GNU and OSI are dying already | Jan 04 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: diminishing maybe | Jan 04 18:11 |
| schestowitz | money from patrons kills their missions | Jan 04 18:11 |
| schestowitz | and people take over the seats... for money, sometimes... | Jan 04 18:11 |
| MinceR | through corrupting the people in charge | Jan 04 18:11 |
| scientes | Oh, and there is a better android keyboard for Georgian | Jan 04 18:13 |
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| scientes | it just isn't default | Jan 04 18:13 |
| MinceR | Hacker's Keyboard? :> | Jan 04 18:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Gboard has layout options, probably that | Jan 04 18:15 |
| XRevan86 | I could've told that scientes yesterday… | Jan 04 18:15 |
| XRevan86 | didn't occur to me | Jan 04 18:15 |
| MinceR | gboard can't hold a candle to hacker's keyboard | Jan 04 18:19 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: How often do you type from a smartphone? | Jan 04 18:22 |
| MinceR | about as often as i use a smartphone | Jan 04 18:23 |
| MinceR | except when it's connected to my car and i type on the infotainment system instead :> | Jan 04 18:23 |
| schestowitz | I am writing about the above now, MinceR | Jan 04 18:42 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 04 18:45 |
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| MinceR | https://i.redd.it/y0fg05d7ge841.jpg | Jan 04 19:30 |
| *XRevan86 accidentally saw the new systemd logo unprepared | Jan 04 19:36 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 04 19:36 |
| MinceR | it symbolizes that everything must go into the one big thing | Jan 04 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder if the triangle is not an arrow but a Δ | Jan 04 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | [ systemΔ ]? | Jan 04 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | that's dull, but it may just be the case | Jan 04 19:38 |
| danielp3344 | everything must change :P | Jan 04 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | Some things don't change: http://getdrawings.com/cliparts/basic-shapes-clipart-1.jpg | Jan 04 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Tux_Paint.png :) | Jan 04 19:41 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Microsoft Saying That It “Loves #Linux ” Is a Lot Like #Islamophobes Who Say They Attack #Islam to “Protect Muslim Women” http://techrights.org/2020/01/04/microsoft-as-islamophobe/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/9085980a-40d4-4860-9b73-d57e8c26dd9e] | Jan 04 19:55 | |
| XRevan86 | https://i.ibb.co/xzNfxG7/systemd-logo-mockup.png | Jan 04 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | I wasn't kidding %) | Jan 04 19:56 |
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| aidalgol | I came because I learned about your IRC channel from today's blog post: http://techrights.org/2020/01/04/hijacking-the-winner/ | Jan 04 20:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Classic Microsoft: When They Lose They Just Try to Hijack the Winner | Techrights | Jan 04 20:27 | |
| schestowitz | hi | Jan 04 20:28 |
| schestowitz | and welcome | Jan 04 20:29 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/12/7249f131b4824b6c.jpg | Jan 04 20:35 |
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| MinceR | also, that's what she said | Jan 04 20:35 |
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| *XRevan86 reads http://blogs.perl.org/users/tom_wyant/2020/01/my-y2020-bug.html | Jan 04 22:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-My Y2020 Bug | Tom Wyant [blogs.perl.org] | Jan 04 22:10 | |
| XRevan86 | last two digits of a year, what a smart idea… | Jan 04 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | r | Jan 04 22:12 |
| schestowitz | x | Jan 04 22:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: laziness | Jan 04 22:12 |
| XRevan86 | https://perldoc.perl.org/functions/localtime.html "$year contains the number of years since 1900" – does the doc lie? | Jan 04 22:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-localtime - perldoc.perl.org | Jan 04 22:13 | |
| XRevan86 | "To get the last two digits of the year (e.g., "01" in 2001) do" – really not what would be advised if it were really since 1900 | Jan 04 22:13 |
| XRevan86 | 120 – okay, so it really is | Jan 04 22:16 |
| superkuh | I had to fix a 2020 bug for my static blog RSS generation perl script. | Jan 04 22:17 |
| superkuh | But I fixed it by testing back in the middle of Dec 2019. | Jan 04 22:18 |
| XRevan86 | Time::Local::timegm really does have it | Jan 04 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | superkuh: It's just… | Jan 04 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | this is super-dumb | Jan 04 22:20 |
| superkuh | Mine was just because I use regex for everything. | Jan 04 22:20 |
| superkuh | Not a module bug. | Jan 04 22:20 |
| superkuh | Made everything more general when switching to indieweb "microformats 2" mark-up style. | Jan 04 22:20 |
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| MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/12/2cbc6bbac4b25246.mp4 ( https://pr0gramm.com/top/3562509 ) | Jan 04 22:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pr0gramm.com | Jan 04 22:39 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I heard a Soviet joke on a Chernobyl miniseries I was watching. | Jan 04 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What is as big as a house, burns 20 liters of fuel an hour, puts out a shitload of smoke and noise, and cuts an apple into three pieces? | Jan 04 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A Soviet machine designed to cut an apple into four pieces. | Jan 04 22:55 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 04 22:55 |
| XRevan86 | It's a real joke %) | Jan 04 22:57 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/13/871913903a73dfd6.jpg | Jan 04 23:11 |
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